The 5 Rules for Mormons in Good Standing: Rule number one inside LDS: “Never ever say anything negitive about Joseph Smith, even if it is the authenticated actions of a scoundrel.” You, a member of LDS, must NEVER admit to Joseph Smith being wrong about ANYTHING. LDS members WILL revier Joseph Smith as deity at ALL times. As such, the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of succession will do NO wrong, say NO wrong, and act NO wrong. Rule number two: You will pretend to not notice there is nothing to substantiate the Book of Mormon, or D&C, or PoGP, as inspired books. Even though there is no archeology, artifacts, written collaboration, or sociology to support the single source manuscript, you will speak reverently regarding the MIRICAL that they are. You MUST say they are the most correct of all books. You must never say that the BoM has been changed over 4 thousand times. Rule number three: You MUST declare LDS as a Christian nuance. You will NEVER speak of our doctrine where we believe Jesus is the literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence, the brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence, one of 3 gods in the godhead, the Trinity is three separate gods, first one to receive a spirit body, atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane, and was a polygamist, having 4 wives and several children. Further, you will NEVER read, review, experience any unauthorized material regarding LDS history, BoM history, Mormonism etc. ONLY LDS approved material will be authorized for your consumption. Your opinion WILL comport to the current LDS narrative and nothing else no matter the source of your unauthorized conviction. Rule number four: The Holy Ghost that testifies to your heart as a warmth in your bosom, WILL conform to the Prophet’s contemporary way of thought. You WILL have a testimony and share it when told to do so. You will reject rational thinking and critical thought in order to make room for the Mormonization of your mental agency. NEVER question the LDS doctrine, history, or Prophet’s word. You ARE a complete and total asset of the LDS rank and file. Pay your full tithe, and do what the Biship directs you to do. If you are so utterly weak and useless, succombing to “facts” and enemy thoughts, you had better DOUBT your DOUBTS. Rule number five: Anyone who presents data contradicting the LDS narrative is ANTI-MORMON. You WILL defend LDS through ad-hominim argument, conjecture or volume assisted attack. You WILL flip the responsibility of proof of truth claims by placing the burden of proof on the evil anti-mormon(s). You will NOT look at, consider, or read any counter-mormon data. If an LDS member apostates, you WILL accuse them of sin or weakness and shun them. You WILL also scream in a shrill voice that “They can leave the church but they can’t leave the church alone!”
Here’s a challenge: Write a book comparable to the Book of Mormon. You will fail miserably. As a matter of fact, you won’t even start one. The Book of Mormon was written by the Prophets of God we Latter-day Saints day it was written by. You’re jealous of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so you try to discredit it. And in the process, you cause yourselves to look foolish.
Remember, get started writing a book comparable to The Book of Mormon. You know you can do it. Joseph Smith had two years of schooling, but you religious scholars, you know the Book of Mormon is false. Hahaha
It's a word game: "what a thing it is to be accused of having multiple wifes, when I can see only one". Notice how he didn't say whether the accusations were true or not. He is only legally married to one wife.
The Lord gave the Prophet Joseph Smith Revelations concerning Plural marriage. You people who try to prove Joseph Smith wrong or the Book of Mormon false will just continue spinning your wheels endlessly. You are obsessed, and bring misery upon yourselves.
@@herbofallon965 No I'm not miserable at all, because I love this stuff it's so funny, wacky and crazy. It's also fun to share with others to get a reaction. My favorite is how members will double down on their beliefs so much that they become blind to reality and that my friend is freaking hilarious. Now once members actually do some actual research and listen to both sides then the tend to wake up to the reality and that's when you actually start seeing the deception and once you start seeing the deception then it's just a matter of time that you either become more nuanced, or you leave completely. However it does take about 8 years.
@@herbofallon965Your reply doesn’t contain any interesting or new or information, disappointingly. It is the actual history of the church that proves its origins to be fraudulent. After being on the outside of the church for a beat, it’s actually fascinating to learn and read more about the actual, real history of a church that shaped 30 years of my life and continues to influence my immediate family. Mormonism is still our culture, and it’s no wonder that we continue to study its history. Not bitter or sad, just passionate.
@herbofallon965 can you prove that claim? Many people claim the same thing. Muhammad did a lot of the claims and behaviour of Joseph from creating scripture to polygamy to child abuse to violence. You can say God told Joseph but that’s just Joseph making a claim to excuse away his infidelity.
It was the introduction to NDEs and the stories told by those who had been declared clinically dead and returned to life that kept me from becoming completely atheist after my "faith crisis" that made me decide to leave the Mormon church. As a faithful and active member of over 40 years, after I began to study the early church history and came up with many of the same questions that are listed in the CES letter, I went to my branch president and then church apologists to try to get those questions answered. It was the pattern of deceit, obfuscation, and misrepresentations I learned from CHURCH SOURCES that convinced me that the Mormon church could NOT be the "Church of Jesus Christ". For a church that claims to believe in being honest, the hypocrisy of coverups and outright lies by the Mormon leadership is glaringly obvious. I found the stories of those NDEers like Nanci Danison, Eben Alexander, Dannion Brinkley, and many others to be uplifting, inspiring, and encouraging. The knowledge they impart about who I am, why I'm here, and where I'm going after I leave this mortal life is far better, more equitable, and more loving than tales of a "God" who will burn his children in hell forever if they don't accept the concept of a human sacrifice necessary to be reconciled to "him". I feel as if a huge weight has been lifted from my heart and mind, and I've actually felt more inspiration and guidance from my Higher Self now than I ever did as a Mormon. There's a great big beautiful world out there when you allow yourself to see beyond the restricted views of human religions. Thanks for your video, it was informative and eye-opening.
In my opinion, it's more accurate to say Jim Bennett inoculated people grasping for hope that the Book of Mormon, and the Mormon Church is still true, against thinking they need to read and seriously consider the CES Letter for themself. At that, he did a meandering, sloppy job. I actually thought the rebuttal was drafted by a 17 year old when I read it, and before I saw a photo of Jim Bennett. The church, and church apologists appear to have an ongoing policy of "Say something...anything, against faith-destroying facts so that life-long tithe paying members think they are safe in the faith." Jeffrey Holland even said, "I did NOT devote my life to a fairy-tale." as the cognitive dissonance set in on him. To anyone reading this, be aware the church will say something....anything, to make you think they "...have already done the thinking for you..." (Uchdorf) and that you should "...just stay in the boat..." (Ballard). They apparently don't what you to do any critical thinking yourself. BTW, Jeremy Runnels, author of the CES Letter, posted a debunking to Jim Bennett's debunking. The link is here. cesletter.org/debunkings/jim-bennett-ces-letter-reply-canonizer-stallion-cornell/
@deskjockie4948 You are very mistaken in some of the things you say. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am not a Mormon. I am a Latter-day Saint. Non-members and disgruntled individuals like to refer to the Church as the Mormon Church. They do this because they know it gives non-members the idea we're not Christian. We are more Christian than any of the Man-made churches out there (which is every church on the earth, other than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is not a single Man-made Church on the earth that can correctly and accurately claim Jesus Christ has appeared to it. We Latter-day Saints can accurately and correctly make that claim. Jesus Christ personally appeared to President Lorenzo Snow in 1877, soon after the previous President of the Church, Wilford Woodruff, died. Of course, the Savior appeared in company with our Heavenly Father to 14-year-old Joseph Smith in the Spring of 1820 in central New York. Jesus Christ, as well as Moses, Elias, and Elijah all four appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in the Kirtland Temple in Kirtland, Ohio on April 3, 1836. The prophecy recorded in the Old Testament regarding the Prophet Elijah appearing in the latter day was fulfilled on that day in April 1836.
In response to Callister's question at 1:32:51, I would refer to, "The Book of Mormon and the Limits of Naturalistic Criteria: Comparing Joseph Smith and Andrew Jackson Davis, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, 2020".
Great content, do you have some other channel with content? Your two videos are only scratching the surface of all the lies the mormon church has been telling us for more than a century.
Because they never were real. In fact, David Whitmer and Martin Harris--both claimed to have seen the golden plates--described them differently. Whitmer said they contained a sealed portion, but Harris said they were a simple stack of plates in a ringed binder--no mention of a sealed portion.
The Lost 116 pages by Mrs Martin Harris "Smart Smart Smart!" Joseph couldn't get the Angel with a flaming sword to threaten Mrs Harris to tell her where she hid those 116 pages only to threaten Emma to accept Joseph's wives.
As an ordained elder in an evangelical denomination, I would like to correct Elder Callister. If I were asked, "How do I know the Bible is true?" the LAST thing I would say is that I know it is true because of my feelings, impressions or personal testimony. These things, all of which I have PROVE NOTHING. The producer of this video is quite correct in stating that many other religions can make such claims. So what would I say? I would say that I know it is true because of the hard evidence for it that is completely absent in the case of the Book of Mormon. Evidence from archaeology, Jewish and pagan sources all support the NT text. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide a great deal of evidence supporting the OT text. Much evidence from science supports a Biblical view, starting with Gen. 1:1 and the big bang. There are countless stories of people who set out to disprove the Bible, but were convinced by the mountains of hard evidence - CS Lewis being but one example. When dialoguing with a seeker, I would never tell them to read the Bible, pray about it, and on that basis alone decide if it were true. I would point them to the evidence. This is something my Mormon friends (yes, I have Mormon friends) cannot do.
President Ballard held privately Appendix 1, begins at page 587, and Appendix 2, begins at page 638, of: "Without Disclosing My True Identity; The Authorized and Official Biography of the Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. PDF"
There are a number of non or ex-Mormons who have problems with the Spalding theory. Watch videos by Dan Vogel for a good analysis of the origins of the Book of Mormon.
Sandra, you and I have talked in person on this topic and I know you are in the camp that discounts the Spalding theory. I've talked with several others who also discount it but to me the evidence is overwhelming. In my discussions with others I've uncovered four problems they mention: 1. Sidney Rigdon claims he did not live near the printing office during the years Spalding was in Pittsburg. 2. Joseph Smith's immediate family all claimed Joseph didn't meet Sidney until after the BofM was published. 3. Signey Rigdon claimed the townspeople in Conneaut Creek were lying because they reported a woman preacher started the claim and there were no known women preachers in Conneaut Creek, Ohio. 4. Fawn Brodie discounted the theory. This video is a 2.5 hour explanation of why Sidney is the likely primary originator of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. Here is what I have learned about each of these four claims: 1. "Sidney Rigdon claims he did not live near the printing office during the years Spalding was in Pittsburgh." This has been proven false. Sidney was born and raised 12 miles outside of Pittsburgh, south in Piney Creek, on his parents farm until 1822. Spading was in Pittsburgh between 1812 - 1814. 2. "Joseph Smith's immediate family all claimed Joseph didn't meet Sidney until after the BofM was published." What would you expect them to say? In contrast, and as shown in my video, many of Joseph Smith's neighbors claimed to have seen Rigdon at the Joseph Smith family home several years before 1830, when the BofM was published. Ridgon was a public figure, with a public calendar. People who have analyzed his calendar found nine month+ long gaps in his schedule, which can be viewed here: www.sidneyrigdon.com/roots1.htm#pg15 Strikingly, it seems if you line up the young Joseph Smith story with visitations by Angel Moroni, it seems Rigdon was really the "Angel" visiting Joseph. He came back each year, telling Joseph he wasn't ready. Right....the manuscript wasn't ready. 3. "Signey Rigdon claimed the townspeople in Conneaut Creek were lying because they reported a woman preacher started the claim and there were no known women preachers in Conneaut Creek, Ohio." This misunderstanding stems form a misprint that occurred in the Boston Recorder newspaper where "Mormon Preacher" was misprinted as "Woman Preacher." Rev D.R. Austin confirmed this misprint and it can be read about here: www.solomonspalding.com/docs1/1897spld.htm#pg254b 4. "Fawn Brodie discounted the theory." Fawn Brodie did a bang up job of describing Joseph Smith's life, but she missed the boat on Sidney. Her several paragraph only rebuttal of the Spalding Manuscript theory was likely a defensive tactic to help the Brethren accept her book. In addition, she only addresses a handful of townspeople's affidavits. More exist that confirm the theory, from others that did not know those townspeople. For example Spalding's wife, Spaldings doctor in Pittsburgh, the Smith famliy's neighbors, Oliver Cowdery's Methodist business partner, Sidney's brother-in-law, etc. Here are several additional critiques of her rejection: www.sidneyrigdon.com/roots1.htm#pg14 in addition, the majority of Joseph Smith's "translation" took place in Harmony, PA, at Emma's relatives house. If you look on a map, that's directly between Mentor, OH, and Pittsburgh, PA, where Sidney lived, and where his parents lived, respectively. How convenient that Sidney could travel to see he folks and stop off to see Joseph along the way there and back. With all due respect to Dan Vogel, like Fawn Brodie, he doesn't seem to have conducted a serious study of the life of Sidney Rigdon. In his interview with John Dehlin he provides four explanations for why Joseph (not Sidney) would have created the Book of Mormon, yet none of them seem reasonable. Dan Vogel Interview: ruclips.net/video/t78cXByyfpI/видео.html He posits: 1. 6:30 Dan Vogel: Joseph wrote the Book of Mormon to smooth over family religious differences between his Mom and Dad. You can tell John Dehlin doesn't even accept this explanation because he asked the same question a second time: 2. 11:10 Dan Vogel: Joseph Smith was a true believer in God, and had a born-again experience, but was a Universalist so lying wouldn't be a problem. This explanation doesn't make and sense, John Dehlin asks him the same question a third time: 3. 23:20 Dan Vogel: Joseph's stone is the source of his Charisma. This just doesn't make any sense, John asks him a forth time: 4. 25:15 Dan Vogel: Joseph wanted money and power. He wanted to build a New Jerusalem with the Indians. Again, all of these conclusions are not believable, and John reacts accordingly. If there is another interview with Dan Vogel that is more conclusive, please post a link. We are all pursuing truth together here. Numerous authors after studying the life of Sidney Rigdon, understood that he was trying to create a religion to combine all the Christian sects. Being a prominent minister, he just couldn't publish the Book of Mormon himself because everyone would know he wrote it, so he found the Smith family, probably in 1823, and spent the next 7 years working on this project. There is even some evidence Joseph was visited by Sidney, not Moroni every time he claimed to be visited by an angel. When Martin Harris lost the first 116 pages, Joseph and the gang spent 9 months creating the first and last part of the Book of Mormon, which we know contains elements from Joseph's family (Father's dream, the name "Lemuel," etc.) A lot of fun speculation here. Fortunately, we all can agree the Book of Mormon is a fraud.
@@richardholmes7199 You have to use more than shame projection to make your point. if you have facts that counter these points please present them because I am happy to learn about them and change my mind, if I need to.
As stated in a post on another video by you, Manuscript Found was not about Romans. It was, according to multiple affidavits, about Hebrews and was written in the style of the King James Bible. Anyone interested in the very persuasive details should read Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon by Wayne L. Cowdrey, Howard A. Davis, and Arthur Vanick.
That is an excellent book. There were two manuscripts. The manuscript we still have was about Roman soldiers en route to England getting blown off course and landing in the New World. The manuscript we don't have was written in the style of the KJV Bible, as you mention.
A newspaper of the day says there were 3 manuscript: the one we have, a second manuscript furthering the story (in KJV lingo) and a third document which was a re-write of the first and second. Likely, the third manuscript was at the printers and made it's way to Rigdon and then Joseph. The other two were likely preserved by Spalding's wife, collected by Hurlbert, and one was sold to Joseph (for $800) which he destroyed, and the other was left with Hurlbert and became the remaining manuscript we have, which at first glance doesn't resemble the BofM, but if you read the text it describes Native American armies fighting each others with swords, and their generals sending letters back and forth to each other to defend their constitutions, their lives, liberties, women, and their children. Sound familiar?.
The LDS church is totally committed to defending Joseph Smith, this includes his writings. They defend his BOM with everything at their disposal, including multi million dollar internet video campaigns. When did you last see a LDS video defending the Bible?......... As this church leader said in his opening statement, Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon is the foundation/keystone of his faith. If he was a Christian he wouldn't say that, but he isn't, so he does. If Mormonism was a Christian church it's 8th Article of faith wouldn't say it believes that the Bible is not translated correctly. The Mormon missionaries have no interest in getting people to read the Bible, only Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon, this, sadly, is that church's obsession. People who read the Bible don't become Mormons, people who read the book of Mormon do, or might, so they steer potential converts subtly away from God's word, while questioning the Bible's integrity and ultimate authority. One thing about this faith is that the closer you examine it, the worst it gets, from a biblical perspective. Kind regards to all.
Exactly. No one, including the prophets and apostles all the way down to the members in testimony meetings every first Sunday of the month - NO ONE in the LDS church ever testifies or has testified of the truthfulness of the Bible or that it is the word of God. Oh of course someone could obviously say that I can’t know that because I’ve never been to all the testimony meetings in all the meeting houses since this all started back in 1830 and all the way to now. My response: You are right and I don’t need to. The members are taught to follow the prophet and none of the prophets have said those words in conferences since 1830. Look it up. Also look up Article of Faith #8 and ask yourself the questions. Doesn’t it seem to cast a shadow of doubt on the Bible. Shouldn’t the most correct book on the face of the earth probably not need thousands of corrects made to it - spelling AND doctrinal. And we do have a way now to have a correct translation of the Hebrew and Greek Bible because manuscripts have become available that were not in 1830. Ask the tough questions as to why the article of faith #8 still exists in the 21st century. 8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. Do LDS people not believe the Bible to be the work of God? We can translate it correctly.
You lie like practically all anti-LDS lie. Man-made churches (all Protestant-Sectarian churches) are built on lies. Most of them have paid ministers. None of them have either one of Jesus Christ’s two Priesthoods. They have no Authority to baptize, bestow the Holy Ghost, or perform the Holy ordinances of God. Those who speak against the Lord’s true Church only widen the gap between them and Christ.
You Protestants/Sectarians don’t know the Bible, which is why one Protestant/Sectarian Church contradicts another. None of your Man-made churches has the Holy Ghost, so you wander like intoxicated drunkards.
You Protestants/Sectarians teach that we go to Heaven when we die. Show that to me from the Bible. You won’t find it. It isn’t there. Like Jesus Christ, we all go into the Spirit World when we die, where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is taught, the same as here in Mortality. Only after the 1000-year Millennium is finished will we be able to go to Heaven, and it won’t be to only one degree of Heaven. It will be to three different degrees of Heaven, just like what the Apostle Paul taught in the New Testament. Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial. And by the way, the Lord Jesus Christ gave specific, detailed Revelations concerning these THREE DEGREES OF HEAVEN.
These thousands of NDE accounts confirm we are eternal beings. Mormonism tries to own it (and you). We are all on our own journeys of development, not salvation.
Thank you for your research and presentation on the BOM. However, I’m not sure I agree that Sidney Ridgon would seek out a young 14-year-old farm boy Joseph Smith to carry out his idea of creating the BOM.
Actually they met in 1827, when JS was 22, but your point is well stated. When Joseph was visited by an angel in September 1827, it was really Sidney Rigdon, not Moroni.
Another thing. Seeing all the many books you listed that could have been used to plagerize, how om earth could JS or RIGDON have read all those books in a short time and then use certain parts to make the BM?? I question the BM but good grief! To have put the BM together with all those other parts of books would have taken at least 2 years. And putting it into Hebrew Chiasm's like the BM would take a smart person in Hebrew language. 🤔🥺😳😬
You are right. No doubt the project took many years. Rigdon mysteriously took a 3 year sabbatical to "study the bible" in 1823 or 1824, after he moved back to Pittsburg, where he encountered the Spalding Manuscript. Likely the project began then.
I decided to watch this because I found my faith in the Church many years ago and then obtained academic knowledge that backed my faith up. That said, many people have come to me with their doubts. As they did this I would look into the reasons for their doubts and I was always able to find an answer. Well, recently I have been hearing more about plagiarism theories. I knew little about this type of anti-Mormon doctrine and decided to learn more about it. I think your video was insightful. I will check out a few of the books you have mentioned to make my own analysis. One critique I have on your video is that it inaccurately reflects the substantial amount of evidences that has been found, not to support the Central American theory, but the Heartland Model. I recommend looking into some of the work by Rod Meldrum and his constituents who have done much investigative research, finding the majority of the claims of the Book of Mormon to be true. In the North American Indian mounds, for example, there has been a plethora of archeological evidence found supporting metallurgy, smelting, production of swords, shields, head-plates, etc. There is Hebrew writing, Hebrew alters, etc. Linguists have found that the Algonquian languages of the North American Natives comes from Hebrew. They also determined that there are Phoenician rooted words in the Book of Mormon that start appearing after the Mulekites are discovered, which is attributed to the fact that the Mulekites probably hitched a ride with the Phoenicians to the Americas since they were one of the only civilizations that made boats back then, so it is interesting that when the Nephites find the Mulekites all the sudden you start seeing these Phoenician rooted words appear in the Book of Mormon, e.g. the monetary system used in Zarahemla. There are many other good examples of B. of M. evidence, like haplogroup X, a mitochondrial DNA that certain experts have determined to link the North American Natives to the Hebrews, so there is DNA evidence as well. Sorry, I am going off of memory here but you can find the sources listening to Rod Meldrum's Book of Mormon Evidence Podcasts. According to Meldrum et. al. the problem with B. of M. evidence is people are looking in the wrong place, as you rightfully mentioned in your video, there is basically no evidence in Central and South America to support the book took place there. These were lies perpetuated into the Church by Sidney and others who probably didn't have much faith in what they were teaching and were grasping at straws when they learned about the Pre-Columbian ancient ruins. Now, I am not trying to smackdown your Book of Mormon Smackdown video, I am simply looking for the truth like anyone else who will be watching this, so I am here to let people know that there actually is a great deal of evidence supporting the Book of Mormon having taken place in the Heartland of America. Oh yeah, I also recall in your video that you said the Book of Mormon does not warn us about problems in the 21st Century, which it does, and specifically about globalism. I don't see how you claim that the secret combinations have to do with Masonry vs. Christianity. To me there are obvious allusions to secret combinations in world government that seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations. It even goes into some of the juicy details about some of the sick practices that tend to get repeated through history, i.e, child sacrifice, rape and cannibalism. These are 21st century issues addressed in the Book of Mormon.
Meta, thank you for your thoughtful comment. You provided a lot of information to address. I'll do my best. I appreciate your hopeful enthusiasm. I remember when I was there. Here are my thoughts on your comments: 1. "One critique I have on your video is that it inaccurately reflects the substantial amount of evidences that has been found, not to support the Central American theory, but the Heartland Model." There is a great discussion about the problems with the Heartland Model and the fraudulent Hebrew artifacts "discovered" and still on display in small-town local museums. I've met Rod Meldrum in person, and he's a great guy. He's selling thousands of DVD's but unfortunately his conclusions are not scientific. For example, Haplogroup X DNA has only been found in remains that predate Lehi by thousands of years, so if you follow the science it does not support the BofM claims. Here's a link to one scientific summary of the problems with the Heartland Model, as explained by a professional Geneticist Dr. Simon Southerton: ruclips.net/video/XSPyPjLMrbU/видео.html Also, here is a link to a non-LDS group exposing the Bat Creek Stone and the Newark Decalogue Stone as fakes: www.ohiohistory.org/learn/collections/archaeology/archaeology-blog/2014/may-2014/additional-digging-uncovers-source-of-bat-creek-ho 2. "Linguists have found that the Algonquian languages of the North American Natives comes from Hebrew." I'm wasn't familiar with this claim, but a quick Google search revealed this BYU Research paper by Brian Stubbs disagreeing with your statement. scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1258&context=jbms 3. "you said the Book of Mormon does not warn us about problems in the 21st Century, which it does, and specifically about globalism." I don't know what you mean by this. 4. "I don't see how you claim that the secret combinations have to do with Masonry vs. Christianity. To me there are obvious allusions to secret combinations in world government that seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations." A better explanation than I gave in the video is that early Christian leaders were at odds with early Mason leaders because according to Mason's you must only believe in God--any god will do, but Christian leaders insisted your god must by Jesus Christ. They saw Masonic lodges as counterfeit religions. BTW, you can thank the Masonic founding fathers for the separation of church and state in America. They orchestrated that. Without them America would have likely been a Theocracy. Anyway, these secret combination warnings were jabs at the Masons. Martin Harris even called the Book of Mormon the "anti-Masonic Bible." Here's a link where you can read more about this: www.jstor.org/stable/43200831 BTW, I share your sentiment and worry at the current state of the globalists and their present influence on the free world. Strange how I see parents everywhere, and certain senators, not "The Elders of Israel", working to secure the Constitution.
@@theadmin7681 Thanks Admin, but it’s not hopeful enthusiasm. I am just trying to find the truth. In the “Mormon Stories” video you posted, one of the first assertions is that there is no archeological evidence supporting a North American written language, but there is plenty of evidence that the ancestors of the North American Indian’s actually did have a written language, and Scott Wolter, a forensic geologist, presented his findings in favor of the Bat Creek Inscription and the Decalogue Stone as well as other pieces of evidence that support these claims. There are also museum workers who allegedly claimed that they were instructed to keep anything predating colonials with writing on it in the basement because they don’t have any explanations for it. In the same video they spend a lot of time continuing to bash the Central American model. It is easy for them to slam Central and S. American theories because there isn’t that much evidence to support them. The Heartland model, on the other hand, is surrounded by pretty interesting evidence, and that complicates the argument. This could be the reason you didn't mention the heartland model in your video, or at least I don't remember seeing it in there. As touching on Haplogroup X, the invited guest himself admits that this group is found in the Middle East as well as in North America. It is also interesting to note that this DNA was only found within the Algonquian language family groups, the same purported to have stemmed from Hebrew by non-LDS researchers. I am aware that there are linguists who disagree that the Algonquian language family comes from Hebrew, but it is close enough that there are others who think that it does, and according to their calculations it split from Hebrew at about 600 bc, the same year Lehi left Jerusalem with his family. So, as much as we want to discredit all these arguments, the fact that this whole conversation exists in and of itself is something to think about when considering the veracity of the Book of Mormon. Also, in the Mormon Stories video, they start slamming creationism in general and base all their science on evolution. This may not be popular with some reading this, but there is no proof that evolution from one species into another has ever occurred. They have done experiment after experiment trying to reproduce this theory with the most basic lifeforms in a laboratory and have yet to be successful. They can’t even get a bacterium, the most basic os lifeforms, to evolve into anything else other than a bacterium. This is speaking on a species whose reproductive life is measured in the timeframe of minutes to hours, yet they suppose that the human species evolved from primates and lower lifeforms and ultimately from bacteria in less generations than what has been observed in a lab with bacteria. It doesn’t work. Micro-evolution is true, on the other hand, is true. Kids tend to look like their parents, dogs can be “bred” for hunting, etc., but the changing of one species into another, even at the most basic bacterial level has never been observed. Then, these guys don’t believe the conspiracy theories. This is a problem I have with their credibility. The so-called conspiracy theories are true. We are literally living in a communist take-over. If you don’t believe Alex Jones then read a book by Ezra Taft Benson called, “An Enemy Hath Done This.” Everything he warned about is so shockingly a reality right now than it ever was when he wrote the book back in 1968. I am not trying to be an apologist for the church. I am simply trying to find out what the truth is. There happens to be a lot of Book of Mormon Evidence whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I’m not even trying to get anyone to join the church, and even less right now with everything that is going on in politics. Benson warned about the globalist takeover and the current prophet seems to not be worried about it. The church, unfortunately, seems to be going along with the very globalist agenda that Ezra Taft Benson, the Bible and even the Book of Mormon warn so much about. I have my own theories, irrelevant to the conversation at hand, about what is going on with the leadership of the church, but my point is that I have no vested interest in this conversation other than to find the truth and we should try to take an unbiased look into this. Back to the Mormon Stories video… The guest speaker then goes on to admit that there were evidences of advanced technology in the North American Indian mounds, i.e., smelting of copper, brass and steal, but he attributes them to European settlers. He obviously isn’t looking at all the known evidence. They have literally found kilns and axe-heads in the forms buried in those mounds as well as ancient Hebrew style alters for animal sacrifices. Now, it is illegal to go digging around on these burial grounds making it harder to find the truth, but there are volumes published on these findings, which findings predate Columbus and other Europeans. It is my opinion that there is a conspiracy to cover up the true history of this continent. The main host of the show even admits that early government lied about the natives to justify the European settlers taking their lands, but he fails to realize that much of this hasn’t changed and the effort to cover up the fact that the N. Americans really did come from a thriving and advanced civilization is still realized by mainstream education and narrative. The main event of Mormon Stories was Kennewick Man. He is a skeleton found in Washington State who had the X2a DNA that is ancestral to all Native American X2a lineages. The show’s guest goes into detail about how those remains are at least 9000 years old, thus predating Book of Mormon chronology. He claims the bone sample used by the Heartland defenders for testing was actually mineralization built up on the bone's cortex from the river he was washed up from and that if you took a collagen sample from the interior of the bone it shows he was older than 9000. On Rod’s website they rebut that claim saying the sample was taken from the inside of the bone showing it to be around 2000 years old, fitting the timeline of the B of M. I guess we have to find the skeleton and do the test ourselves, but even if we did there would still be room for doubt due to the problems with dating methods. Speaking on the dating methods, they did mention the carbon dating debate. Some scientists don’t believe it is necessarily reliable. I have come across information about the inconsistencies of C12, C13 and C14 isotopes and how local environmental changes in the amount of these carbons affect the outcome of the dating and also that carbon dating is under the assumption that the specimen be under constant sunlight. These are some arguments that have been made against this type of dating. There are a lot of theories and possibilities, but one thing we have to admit is that we could not be having this conversation if the claims in question were Central and South American. On the other hand, there are credible arguments on both sides in the Heartland Model. It seems that as the subject matter strikes closer to home the conversation gets more interesting.
@@barbwire7449 he can't. There aren't any. There ARE those within the ranks of BYU archaeology that have claimed there is zero archaeological evidence, however. When one already has the finding decided in their own mind they will stretch to manipulate any circumstances to fit their belief. That's what you see with this individual commenting here. Apparently the rules of archaeological evidence are suspended solely for forcing his BOM square peg into an evidentiary round hole.
There is absolutely no archeological evidence in support of the Book of Mormon. Oscar Meyers has a word for those BYU intellectuals who claim otherwise. It is called "BALONY".
there are many people born with photographic memory, and speed reading skills. im sure there are some that can read a chapter in a book, and say it back from memory.
Yes i always thought there were some strange things. But a Biggg question is how did J.S. know how to write in Hebrew Chiasm's?? See there's more confusion just with that question. BM. Is written in Hebrew Chiasm form. I never hear that question being addressed! Why??
Because he copied from others and from the KJV bible. That in itself is enough. I can post many pages of where JS borrowed from other books, changed words to their synonyms, and/or added filler text, but the bottom line is, he copied whole chapters from the KJV word for word. Nothing from the KJV should be in the BoM.
Some great stuff here. Though I do have to say you give an inaccurate comparison between the 116 pages and the current BoM. Those were handwritten pages, which when compared to the other handwritten manuscripts, would have produced something like 250-300 pages. So it's the 250-300 Harris pages vs the 531 Cowdery pages, or about half the size instead of a fourth.
Thanks for the correction, but if what you say was accurate, Martin Harris was still 5 times slower than Oliver Cowdery. It still does not add up. Obviously, Joseph and Oliver were cooking something up.
Re: The Spalding theory: On this score, you've made a serious misstatement. Those who dismiss this perspective are NOT just those within the Church. Among those post-Mormon (no longer believing) critics of note of the Spalding theory include Fawn Brody, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, and Dan Vogel. I find the theory much more credible than they, but it's worth noting that it's often dismissed by historians who do not embrace Mormonism.
Yes, you are right...I made an extreme claim, and these historians you've listed discount it...however, they have not put forth a better explanation. In addition, Fawn Brody and Dan Vogel never studied Sidney Rigdon, and Sandra Tanner commented elsewhere here saying refer to Vogel. What's more important than "who" thinks "what" is actual facts.
Though, based on the testimony of Joseph's neighbors, like Lorenzo Saunders, I think Joseph and Sidney did secretly meet; for there to be Rigdonism in The Book of Mormon it is not necessary that Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon had met. Or it could be that The Book of Mormon is from God and that He is prolonging, 47 years and counting, His response to me. Lorenzo Saunders' sworn affidavit: "That in March of 1827, on or about the 15th of said month I went to the house of Joseph Smith for the purpose of getting some maple sugar to eat, that when I arrived at the house of said Joseph Smith, I was met at the door by Harrison Smith, Jo’s brother. That at a distance of ten or twelve rods from the house there were five men that were engaged in talking, four of whom I knew, the fifth one was better dressed than the rest of those whom I was acquainted with. I inquired of Harrison Smith who the stranger was? He informed me his name was Sidney Rigdom with whom I afterwards became acquainted and found to be Sidney Rigdon."
. Sidney Rigdon had never even heard of Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon until a friend and "Mormon" missionary Parley P Pratt, gave him a copy in September1830. Rigdon read it and was baptized in November. He finally met Joseph Smith for the first time in December of the same year. The book of Mormon had already been published. Your eye-witness testimonies are wrong. Sidney Rigdon's personal journal entry for March and April 1827, places him in Mentor, Ohio performing marriages for his own congregation, while Joseph had just been married and was living with his in-lwas in Manchester NY. It was during this time that the Book of Mormon was being translated.
@@dr33776 it's not true because they were both in different States and both engaged in other activities during March of 1847. The Spalding/Rigdon theory was debunked ages ago. There never was any kind of connection and today the Spalding manuscript wouldn't even exist except it was reprinted by the Church in 1996 in an effort to put to rest the claims that it and the Book of Mormon were one and the same. Just because books may share the same kind of plot, doesn't prove plagiarism. There are after all, only 7 plots to choose from according to literary science. And yes, the words and testimony of a disaffected man, delivered to his own son and from his own deathbed, don't deserve to be dismissed or ignored.
Is the book Lucy code... where lucy Mack was a bit of a mastermind behind the bom... along with her family and the Freemasons any truth to that theory?
No doubt she was in on it, and was likely a mentor to Joseph during the whole development process. If you read Lucy's Book, she writes in prose eerily similar to passages in the Book of Mormon. I think she may have had a hand in the re-creation of the lost 116 pages.
Smith used a hat in a rock and looked inside the hat with no light, and saw the words come on the rock! Wow! Smith was a glass-looker and tired to find gold in the hills!!! LOL!
@@allanlopez3850 Yah but we don't really know all the details or motives and if it actually happened. Most of the witnesses were in fear of their lives.
@@allanlopez3850 They were in fear of the secret band of Danites to enforce the blood oaths they were all in place. Have you researched the reasons why and how the witnesses were driven away?
@@allanlopez3850 Lots of people were in fear for their lives whenever they left the church or talked bad about Joseph or the leaders. Most of this stuff is hidden and buried away. I fond some people in Nauvoo that was in opposition with leaders and all of a sudden just disappeared. At first I just disregarded any of these things as being anti-mormon attacks against the church but then I started seeing a pattern and it is weird. It's like all of a sudden you never hear about a particular person ever again. Like a couple of Brigham Youngs wives that just vanished and not a single person talks about it, just silence as if they never existed.
There are hundreds of verses in the BOM that contradicts the KJV. Smith said the Christian Bible is in error, being altered and translated wrong down thru the centuries, contaminated and, therefore, he questioned the authenticity of the KJV. But, Mormons identify as christians. The Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 has proven that the same scriptures Jesus read from in Herod's Temple is the same words we read today. Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away, but His word would always be with us. Jesus was correct. Over 2000 years and the Christian Bible is still with us, nothing changed. Compare the BOM which has been edited and changed over 1000 times since it was first published. In all of his writings, Paul the Apostle taught "faith alone". Ephesians 2: 8,9, and Romans 11:6 clearly states that works and faith cannot be mixed, it has to be one or the other, but cannot be both. In Galations 5:4, Paul gives a scary warning that those who are justified by the law, (legalism) are fallen from grace. Galations 2: 16 reconfirms that no one is justified by works. There are over 100 verses in the KJV that clearly teach faith alone, with no works, including Romans 4:5. Compare this with 2 Nephi 25: 23 that says, "we are saved by grace after all we can do", clearly a works-driven path to salvation, a violation of faith alone, and clearly supporting a mixture of grace + works. Mormonism is in direct contradiction to christianity and the grace of Jesus Christ. A man placed his head in a hat, and using magical stones, translated a new bible. Can anyone see why true christians compare the BOM to "Jack and the Beanstalk", a fairy tale, where the central theme is magical beans? Mormons have the right to believe in fairy tales, with no archeology evidence supporting the BOM. They do not have the right to identify as christians.
Many things have changed in the Bible. For example, you can see here a list of verses not included in modern New Testaments (like the ending of Mark or the woman taken in adultery) because they aren't in the earliest manuscripts en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_verses_not_included_in_modern_English_translations
@@bennyhinrichs There is nothing changed in the Holy scriptures that changed the formula for salvation over the centuries. Any language expert will tell you that translations from one language to another loses some word meanings slightly. That is because some words in one language may not have an exact meaning in another language, so the translators use the closest available words. But, no translation available changes what it takes to be saved, or the main text, from the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts The Dead Sea Scrolls are not the exact word for word as modern translations, and will certainly vary from one language to another, but any reputable Hebrew scholar will tell you it is astonishing how close the Dead Sea Scrolls are to the KJV. The only errors are slight translation errors, so slight as to be insignificant. Again, we are safe to make the claim that we read today the same scriptures Jesus read from. Compare these facts with the BOM, which has been edited over 1000 times from the first publication in 1830. If the BOM Is translated from English to other languages, expect minor differences. But, the main text of the BOM should remain the same, unless the translators are not reputable. The problems with Joseph Smith are so numerous, they would fill a text book. Simply search utube for this truth.
@@barbwire7449 The DSS present a more polytheistic version of Judaism than what is given in the Masoretic texts used to translate the KJV. That being said, there is a gradient of polytheism to monotheism in the Tanakh from polytheistic sections like Deut. 38, Ps. 74, and Gen. 6 to the more monotheistic Isa. 45 and Ezra 9-10. In the DSS 4Q37, a fragment of Deut. 32:8-12, it reads "children of the gods" whereas in the Masoretic texts (much later), it reads "children of Israel". The Bible itself can't even decide how many gods there are, so what does it matter if the text is preserved? The gospels and Paul can't agree on the divinity of Jesus. Was he a man made divine (Mark)? Was he born divine (Matthew)? Was he conceived divine (Luke)? Was he a preexistent being that was made divine (Paul)? Was he a preexistent being who was always divine (John)? Between all the tens of thousands of New Testament manuscripts, there are hundreds of thousands of textual variants, as many as 500,000, not counting spelling variants. These are not translation errors, as most instances were copying from a previous manuscript. The entire last twelve verses of Mark, where Jesus appears to the apostles, is not original. Salvation is completely different between the Old and New Testaments. The afterlife isn't even mentioned in the first five books of the OT. It's disingenuous to say "no translation changes what it takes to be saved" when the book itself shifts the goalposts and definition of salvation mid-text.
@@bennyhinrichs If you believe this, then why trust the KJV? If the Mormon church believes the christian Bible is not the word of God, they need to toss it. If it is in error like you and Joe claim, then why acknowledge it? Thousands of archeology diggings throughout the middle east, century after century, have verified cities, coins, geographical locations, kings, and countless artifacts to support the accuracy and history of the christian Bible as reliable. Compare the BOM. Nothing but a fairy tale. No reputable archeologist outside the Mormon church or BYU would dare use the BOM as a guide to dig for historical artifacts. It is the Mormon church that constantly searches for some thread of evidence to support the BOM. No serious archeologists outside the church is using the BOM as a guide to prove anything, including the Smithsonian. Go to Israel. Tell the Hebrews that the lost tribe of Israel is an American Indian tribe. The Hebrew scholars will laugh you out of the country. But there is nothing I can say to make a Mormon sheeple believe the truth. No forthcoming devastating evidence against the church, no matter how much devastating, no matter how obviously true, will ever shake your faith in the BOM or Joseph Smith, the greatest conman in American history. MATTHEW 24: 35-39 (KJV) Jesus says that heaven and earth shall pass away, but His word will always be with us. We know the truth is out there somewhere; (His Word) has always been with us since the time of Jesus, because heaven and earth have not passed away. If you believe the BOM is the true word, (even though the BOM did pass away, being buried in the ground until published in 1830), with virtually no scientific proof of historical accuracy, then go for the gusto. Stake your eternal destiny on a fairy tale. No one will stop you. Of course, if you believe the KJV is in error, a lie, no way of determining which verses are or are not in error, then all arguments are moot.
@@barbwire7449 His word has not been with us since the time of Jesus. The gospels weren't written until decades after Jesus supposedly existed, which makes it dubious they contain any of his actual words. There is lots of evidence to support certain aspects of the Bible, and lots of absence of evidence where it would be otherwise expected. The farthest back we can go to get a tenuous connection to someone named in the Bible is David. But even that is on a stele naming victory over "the House of David" centuries after David supposedly lived (called the Tel Dan Stele). There is no archaeological evidence for Moses, the Exodus, Abraham, Noah, etc. There is no archaeological evidence for Jesus either. But regardless of how many pieces of evidence are uncovered supporting locations, customs, or historical figures, that doesn't provide any evidence of the supernatural. If I claim to be able to fly, historians in the future can uncover as many details as they like about my hometown, my schooling, my occupation, all corroborating supposed details from my life. But none of that would actually prove that I could fly. The Book of Mormon, as you state, does not contain an accurate representation of reality. And that's from a religion which has pretty rigorous documentation on its origins. Christianity, and furthermore Judaism, arose during pre-Enlightenment times when record keeping was a shadow of what it is today, and magic thinking was the inherent worldview. You fainly apply your historical heuristics to Mormonism, yet it seems that you are very loath to apply the same tests to Christianity. Mormonism arose from American-flavored, Protestant Christianity. Christianity arose from Hellenistic-flavored Judaism. Judaism arose from Canaanite-flavored pagan polytheism (with a healthy dose of Zoroastrianism along the line). You spew vitriol against Mormonism because it seeks to supersede Christianity, while ignoring that both Christianity and Judaism superseded earlier religions.
I was expecting a persuasive analysis. Unfortunately I didn’t get it. The least persuasive part was the whole middle section on the supposed plagiarisms, often citing two or three word phrases. The best I heard was that Joseph wasn’t the genius, Rigdon was. But the concern is that the Book appears too sophistication for a single person. Thanks for demonstrating the best secular theory for the existence of the Book of Mormon. I now at least see how thread bare the theory is.
Smack down??? Nope I thought your presentation would have something new or revelatory in it that I haven't heard before. That book is exactly what it claims to be.
The book of Mormon has several codes in it 22 chapters of first nephi are the same as the 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet every Hebrew letter has a number value in order up to 22 a literal value and a metaphor value and every time they show up in the chapter they refer to the Hebrew meaning is there Everytime.
I did agree with The Admin on several points! One - the answers are within us! Two - You can always tell the liars because they are always over telling. Over tellers (liars) have to convince you what they have is true. The Admin spent two plus hours over telling the smackdown of the Book of Mormon. And yet he over told on himself. Which goes back to my first point (the answers are within us). Watching this video I felt darkness, and not at peace. Many interpret these feelings that the Church is false and the leaders are lying to us. Yet the spirit is really telling me this presentation is wrong and deceptive.
Good point Kevin. As we move from within distortion into reality (I must clean this dirty toilet instead of play with my friends) it is often quite disturbing and even painful. Some call this mental pressure cognitive dissonance. It is enough to stop some people from leaving distortion--and they pay for it later---and yet other, emotionally intelligent people are able to see reality, however temporarily uncomfortable, and step into it, improving their lives as a result. Indeed, it takes faith, maturity, and presence of mind to overcome cognitive dissonance.
The explanation is required for sheep minded people to break from their status quo and think for themselves. To see the narrative not just the way the church displays it. Also many of these facts are easily confirmable and even on the church website but strategically separated in different articles to avoid anybody saying they hid the truth but also not so obvious that a lazy learner could actually connect those dots.
@@ohmystarnes8199 I am sorry, I am waiting for a response from SLC to tell me what to say. I must stay within the Church narrative. I will get back to you as soon as I get an idea from the old guys. I don't want to connect dots that my mind can't handle.
I've been studying anti-mormon productions for many years. Noting new here. In my opinion Tad Callister is right. It's impossible to disprove the Book of Mormon because the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be. Who made this and how much were they paid?
Jared, here is a link to an excellent interview with neuro-psychologist Dr. Andrew Huberman, who explains how humans irrationally defend their primary source of dopamine. Check it out. ruclips.net/video/ges5AdZIv_s/видео.html
Jared, how much have you paid the church to ensure you will get into heaven? How do you feel about that 100 billion dollars they have hidden away in their bank account that is absolutely not going to church works or charitable acts. I’m afraid they are the ones getting paid... by people like you.
@@sarahberry5644 You are right! The Law of Tithing is about getting into heaven! Or is that the windows of heaven will be opened to your mind. Well it doesn't matter, let's just stay with our truths 😉! Wait, what? 100 billion dollars (thought it was 130 billion)!!! The church leaders are doing a very poor job spending and enjoying this money for themselves! They work most days (when most others are retired), spending time in church meetings, sitting on airplanes, traveling around the world to sit in more church meetings. Sarah please contact them. Explain they are not fitting the mold of corruption! This makes me so mad!
@Kevin - We are to walk by faith in this life, not by proof. Jesus taught "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Korihor asked for evidence, but what a lesson he learned! “Signs & evidence seekers fail to understand the important relationship between faith and the miraculous powers, or signs, that accompany faith.” I am sure you will never understand this statement. But I am hoping other who read this will. I’ve seen, in person, many ruins in Centeral and South America. However I saw no proof of the Book of Mormons stories. But I saw many, many, many things that strongly suggest Book of Mormon people lived here. BTW - There is no proof that Jesus Christ lived in the Holy Land. But I saw, in person, many, many, many things that strongly suggest Christ did. The Book of Mormon SMACKDOWN is all about sowing together speculation, opinion, and poor documentations. Admin video above is proof he is anything but a historian!
Nobody can disprove the Book of Mormon because it is true. Anyone who says the Book of Mormon is false, I will give him or her a challenge: write a book comparable to the Book of Mormon. You will fail miserably.
@richarner3856 I know what it is like to write a novel. My novel, BOYS OF THE ISLAND, is being published under my writing name. The Book of Mormon is true. No one can write anything comparable to it. Just so you know, Jesus Christ personally appeared to President Lorenzo Snow in the Salt Lake Temple in 1877, very soon after the previous President of the Church, Wilford Woodruff, died. Wilford Woodruff was sealed (married) for Eternity to my ancestor, Emma Smith (named after the Prophet Joseph Smith's wife, Emma) in the Old Endowment House in Salt Lake on March 13, 1853. 24 years later, George Washington and ALL the Founding Fathers personally appeared from the Spirit World to President Wilford Woodruff in the St. George Temple, in St. George, Utah so that they might receive their Temple endowments. They all had received the true Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Spirit World where the Gospel is also taught. You might be interested to know that two famous Protestant Reformers, Martin Luther and John Wesley, appeared with the Founding Fathers from the Spirit World where they, too, had learned the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Another sorry attempt to disprove the Book of Mormon. When are you guys going to stop rehashing the same tired and debunked claims that have been floating around around for decades or longer. Just answer the question, who wrote the Book of Mormon? You can't even get that one right. Admit it, you have no answer. The Book of Mormon is the word of God.
@garrgravarr you have just proven my point. The uneducated sheep who go along with anything because they are too afraid or lazy to do their own research. Every piece of history, every witness, every scientific study says you are wrong, dude. Try again.
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The 5 Rules for Mormons in Good Standing:
Rule number one inside LDS: “Never ever say anything negitive about Joseph Smith, even if it is the authenticated actions of a scoundrel.” You, a member of LDS, must NEVER admit to Joseph Smith being wrong about ANYTHING. LDS members WILL revier Joseph Smith as deity at ALL times. As such, the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of succession will do NO wrong, say NO wrong, and act NO wrong.
Rule number two: You will pretend to not notice there is nothing to substantiate the Book of Mormon, or D&C, or PoGP, as inspired books. Even though there is no archeology, artifacts, written collaboration, or sociology to support the single source manuscript, you will speak reverently regarding the MIRICAL that they are. You MUST say they are the most correct of all books. You must never say that the BoM has been changed over 4 thousand times.
Rule number three: You MUST declare LDS as a Christian nuance. You will NEVER speak of our doctrine where we believe Jesus is the literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence, the brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence, one of 3 gods in the godhead, the Trinity is three separate gods, first one to receive a spirit body, atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane, and was a polygamist, having 4 wives and several children. Further, you will NEVER read, review, experience any unauthorized material regarding LDS history, BoM history, Mormonism etc. ONLY LDS approved material will be authorized for your consumption. Your opinion WILL comport to the current LDS narrative and nothing else no matter the source of your unauthorized conviction.
Rule number four: The Holy Ghost that testifies to your heart as a warmth in your bosom, WILL conform to the Prophet’s contemporary way of thought. You WILL have a testimony and share it when told to do so. You will reject rational thinking and critical thought in order to make room for the Mormonization of your mental agency. NEVER question the LDS doctrine, history, or Prophet’s word. You ARE a complete and total asset of the LDS rank and file. Pay your full tithe, and do what the Biship directs you to do. If you are so utterly weak and useless, succombing to “facts” and enemy thoughts, you had better DOUBT your DOUBTS.
Rule number five: Anyone who presents data contradicting the LDS narrative is ANTI-MORMON. You WILL defend LDS through ad-hominim argument, conjecture or volume assisted attack. You WILL flip the responsibility of proof of truth claims by placing the burden of proof on the evil anti-mormon(s). You will NOT look at, consider, or read any counter-mormon data. If an LDS member apostates, you WILL accuse them of sin or weakness and shun them. You WILL also scream in a shrill voice that “They can leave the church but they can’t leave the church alone!”
You seem to have an axe to grind. Grind away and make as many sparks as you like. You're not the first, and you won't be the last. Have a nice life.😊
What exactly do you mean? LDS has been burnt down for about 180 years, only the ignorant cling to its frail "story" and demonic jesus. @@redr1150r
You anti-LDS are obsessed and you wallow in unhappiness.
Here’s a challenge: Write a book comparable to the Book of Mormon. You will fail miserably. As a matter of fact, you won’t even start one. The Book of Mormon was written by the Prophets of God we Latter-day Saints day it was written by. You’re jealous of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so you try to discredit it. And in the process, you cause yourselves to look foolish.
Remember, get started writing a book comparable to The Book of Mormon. You know you can do it. Joseph Smith had two years of schooling, but you religious scholars, you know the Book of Mormon is false. Hahaha
It's a word game: "what a thing it is to be accused of having multiple wifes, when I can see only one". Notice how he didn't say whether the accusations were true or not. He is only legally married to one wife.
The Lord gave the Prophet Joseph Smith Revelations concerning Plural marriage. You people who try to prove Joseph Smith wrong or the Book of Mormon false will just continue spinning your wheels endlessly. You are obsessed, and bring misery upon yourselves.
@@herbofallon965 No I'm not miserable at all, because I love this stuff it's so funny, wacky and crazy. It's also fun to share with others to get a reaction. My favorite is how members will double down on their beliefs so much that they become blind to reality and that my friend is freaking hilarious.
Now once members actually do some actual research and listen to both sides then the tend to wake up to the reality and that's when you actually start seeing the deception and once you start seeing the deception then it's just a matter of time that you either become more nuanced, or you leave completely. However it does take about 8 years.
@@herbofallon965Your reply doesn’t contain any interesting or new or information, disappointingly. It is the actual history of the church that proves its origins to be fraudulent.
After being on the outside of the church for a beat, it’s actually fascinating to learn and read more about the actual, real history of a church that shaped 30 years of my life and continues to influence my immediate family.
Mormonism is still our culture, and it’s no wonder that we continue to study its history. Not bitter or sad, just passionate.
@herbofallon965 can you prove that claim? Many people claim the same thing. Muhammad did a lot of the claims and behaviour of Joseph from creating scripture to polygamy to child abuse to violence. You can say God told Joseph but that’s just Joseph making a claim to excuse away his infidelity.
“Those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.”
Great information! Haven't heard a lot of these points, loved the way you put this together. 👍
The BoM is a phenomenal work. And, unfortunately, one of the greatest literary works to condemn the LDS church. (see D&C 84)
I'm so glad to see that your research is more extensive and accurate. A lot better than the general authorities and the apologist.
It was the introduction to NDEs and the stories told by those who had been declared clinically dead and returned to life that kept me from becoming completely atheist after my "faith crisis" that made me decide to leave the Mormon church. As a faithful and active member of over 40 years, after I began to study the early church history and came up with many of the same questions that are listed in the CES letter, I went to my branch president and then church apologists to try to get those questions answered. It was the pattern of deceit, obfuscation, and misrepresentations I learned from CHURCH SOURCES that convinced me that the Mormon church could NOT be the "Church of Jesus Christ". For a church that claims to believe in being honest, the hypocrisy of coverups and outright lies by the Mormon leadership is glaringly obvious.
I found the stories of those NDEers like Nanci Danison, Eben Alexander, Dannion Brinkley, and many others to be uplifting, inspiring, and encouraging. The knowledge they impart about who I am, why I'm here, and where I'm going after I leave this mortal life is far better, more equitable, and more loving than tales of a "God" who will burn his children in hell forever if they don't accept the concept of a human sacrifice necessary to be reconciled to "him". I feel as if a huge weight has been lifted from my heart and mind, and I've actually felt more inspiration and guidance from my Higher Self now than I ever did as a Mormon. There's a great big beautiful world out there when you allow yourself to see beyond the restricted views of human religions. Thanks for your video, it was informative and eye-opening.
Jim Bennett dismantled the CES Letter.
In my opinion, it's more accurate to say Jim Bennett inoculated people grasping for hope that the Book of Mormon, and the Mormon Church is still true, against thinking they need to read and seriously consider the CES Letter for themself. At that, he did a meandering, sloppy job. I actually thought the rebuttal was drafted by a 17 year old when I read it, and before I saw a photo of Jim Bennett.
The church, and church apologists appear to have an ongoing policy of "Say something...anything, against faith-destroying facts so that life-long tithe paying members think they are safe in the faith." Jeffrey Holland even said, "I did NOT devote my life to a fairy-tale." as the cognitive dissonance set in on him.
To anyone reading this, be aware the church will say something....anything, to make you think they "...have already done the thinking for you..." (Uchdorf) and that you should "...just stay in the boat..." (Ballard). They apparently don't what you to do any critical thinking yourself.
BTW, Jeremy Runnels, author of the CES Letter, posted a debunking to Jim Bennett's debunking. The link is here.
cesletter.org/debunkings/jim-bennett-ces-letter-reply-canonizer-stallion-cornell/
@@theadmin7681 The dishonest Jeremy Runnels didn't debunk Jim Bennett.
Me too.
@deskjockie4948 You are very mistaken in some of the things you say. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am not a Mormon. I am a Latter-day Saint. Non-members and disgruntled individuals like to refer to the Church as the Mormon Church. They do this because they know it gives non-members the idea we're not Christian. We are more Christian than any of the Man-made churches out there (which is every church on the earth, other than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is not a single Man-made Church on the earth that can correctly and accurately claim Jesus Christ has appeared to it. We Latter-day Saints can accurately and correctly make that claim. Jesus Christ personally appeared to President Lorenzo Snow in 1877, soon after the previous President of the Church, Wilford Woodruff, died. Of course, the Savior appeared in company with our Heavenly Father to 14-year-old Joseph Smith in the Spring of 1820 in central New York. Jesus Christ, as well as Moses, Elias, and Elijah all four appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in the Kirtland Temple in Kirtland, Ohio on April 3, 1836. The prophecy recorded in the Old Testament regarding the Prophet Elijah appearing in the latter day was fulfilled on that day in April 1836.
I love Tad's whispering form of speech to try to come across as soft and sincere.
In response to Callister's question at 1:32:51, I would refer to, "The Book of Mormon and the Limits of Naturalistic Criteria: Comparing Joseph Smith and Andrew Jackson Davis, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, 2020".
Great content, do you have some other channel with content? Your two videos are only scratching the surface of all the lies the mormon church has been telling us for more than a century.
You may like www.bookofmormonplagiarism.com and www.lazylearneractivities.com
And also www.mormonorigins.com
one question I have always had is WHY did the Original Plates have to be hidden? Why would God want us to not ALL see it instead of just witnesses?
Because they never were real. In fact, David Whitmer and Martin Harris--both claimed to have seen the golden plates--described them differently. Whitmer said they contained a sealed portion, but Harris said they were a simple stack of plates in a ringed binder--no mention of a sealed portion.
The Lost 116 pages by Mrs Martin Harris "Smart Smart Smart!" Joseph couldn't get the Angel with a flaming sword to threaten Mrs Harris to tell her where she hid those 116 pages only to threaten Emma to accept Joseph's wives.
You fabricate stuff like there’s no tomorrow. You anti-LDS have no idea what you’re talking about.
Yes. And also where was this angel with the flaming sword to protect Joseph in Carthage Jail?
As an ordained elder in an evangelical denomination, I would like to correct Elder Callister. If I were asked, "How do I know the Bible is true?" the LAST thing I would say is that I know it is true because of my feelings, impressions or personal testimony. These things, all of which I have PROVE NOTHING. The producer of this video is quite correct in stating that many other religions can make such claims.
So what would I say? I would say that I know it is true because of the hard evidence for it that is completely absent in the case of the Book of Mormon. Evidence from archaeology, Jewish and pagan sources all support the NT text. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide a great deal of evidence supporting the OT text. Much evidence from science supports a Biblical view, starting with Gen. 1:1 and the big bang. There are countless stories of people who set out to disprove the Bible, but were convinced by the mountains of hard evidence - CS Lewis being but one example.
When dialoguing with a seeker, I would never tell them to read the Bible, pray about it, and on that basis alone decide if it were true. I would point them to the evidence. This is something my Mormon friends (yes, I have Mormon friends) cannot do.
President Ballard held privately Appendix 1, begins at page 587, and Appendix 2, begins at page 638, of:
"Without Disclosing My True Identity; The Authorized and Official Biography of the Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. PDF"
Man Made
There are a number of non or ex-Mormons who have problems with the Spalding theory. Watch videos by Dan Vogel for a good analysis of the origins of the Book of Mormon.
Vogel?
@@richardholmes7199 yes, look him up on RUclips.
Sandra, you and I have talked in person on this topic and I know you are in the camp that discounts the Spalding theory. I've talked with several others who also discount it but to me the evidence is overwhelming. In my discussions with others I've uncovered four problems they mention:
1. Sidney Rigdon claims he did not live near the printing office during the years Spalding was in Pittsburg.
2. Joseph Smith's immediate family all claimed Joseph didn't meet Sidney until after the BofM was published.
3. Signey Rigdon claimed the townspeople in Conneaut Creek were lying because they reported a woman preacher started the claim and there were no known women preachers in Conneaut Creek, Ohio.
4. Fawn Brodie discounted the theory.
This video is a 2.5 hour explanation of why Sidney is the likely primary originator of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. Here is what I have learned about each of these four claims:
1. "Sidney Rigdon claims he did not live near the printing office during the years Spalding was in Pittsburgh."
This has been proven false. Sidney was born and raised 12 miles outside of Pittsburgh, south in Piney Creek, on his parents farm until 1822. Spading was in Pittsburgh between 1812 - 1814.
2. "Joseph Smith's immediate family all claimed Joseph didn't meet Sidney until after the BofM was published."
What would you expect them to say? In contrast, and as shown in my video, many of Joseph Smith's neighbors claimed to have seen Rigdon at the Joseph Smith family home several years before 1830, when the BofM was published. Ridgon was a public figure, with a public calendar. People who have analyzed his calendar found nine month+ long gaps in his schedule, which can be viewed here: www.sidneyrigdon.com/roots1.htm#pg15
Strikingly, it seems if you line up the young Joseph Smith story with visitations by Angel Moroni, it seems Rigdon was really the "Angel" visiting Joseph. He came back each year, telling Joseph he wasn't ready. Right....the manuscript wasn't ready.
3. "Signey Rigdon claimed the townspeople in Conneaut Creek were lying because they reported a woman preacher started the claim and there were no known women preachers in Conneaut Creek, Ohio."
This misunderstanding stems form a misprint that occurred in the Boston Recorder newspaper where "Mormon Preacher" was misprinted as "Woman Preacher." Rev D.R. Austin confirmed this misprint and it can be read about here:
www.solomonspalding.com/docs1/1897spld.htm#pg254b
4. "Fawn Brodie discounted the theory."
Fawn Brodie did a bang up job of describing Joseph Smith's life, but she missed the boat on Sidney. Her several paragraph only rebuttal of the Spalding Manuscript theory was likely a defensive tactic to help the Brethren accept her book. In addition, she only addresses a handful of townspeople's affidavits. More exist that confirm the theory, from others that did not know those townspeople. For example Spalding's wife, Spaldings doctor in Pittsburgh, the Smith famliy's neighbors, Oliver Cowdery's Methodist business partner, Sidney's brother-in-law, etc. Here are several additional critiques of her rejection: www.sidneyrigdon.com/roots1.htm#pg14
in addition, the majority of Joseph Smith's "translation" took place in Harmony, PA, at Emma's relatives house. If you look on a map, that's directly between Mentor, OH, and Pittsburgh, PA, where Sidney lived, and where his parents lived, respectively. How convenient that Sidney could travel to see he folks and stop off to see Joseph along the way there and back.
With all due respect to Dan Vogel, like Fawn Brodie, he doesn't seem to have conducted a serious study of the life of Sidney Rigdon. In his interview with John Dehlin he provides four explanations for why Joseph (not Sidney) would have created the Book of Mormon, yet none of them seem reasonable.
Dan Vogel Interview: ruclips.net/video/t78cXByyfpI/видео.html
He posits:
1. 6:30 Dan Vogel: Joseph wrote the Book of Mormon to smooth over family religious differences between his Mom and Dad. You can tell John Dehlin doesn't even accept this explanation because he asked the same question a second time:
2. 11:10 Dan Vogel: Joseph Smith was a true believer in God, and had a born-again experience, but was a Universalist so lying wouldn't be a problem. This explanation doesn't make and sense, John Dehlin asks him the same question a third time:
3. 23:20 Dan Vogel: Joseph's stone is the source of his Charisma. This just doesn't make any sense, John asks him a forth time:
4. 25:15 Dan Vogel: Joseph wanted money and power. He wanted to build a New Jerusalem with the Indians.
Again, all of these conclusions are not believable, and John reacts accordingly. If there is another interview with Dan Vogel that is more conclusive, please post a link. We are all pursuing truth together here.
Numerous authors after studying the life of Sidney Rigdon, understood that he was trying to create a religion to combine all the Christian sects. Being a prominent minister, he just couldn't publish the Book of Mormon himself because everyone would know he wrote it, so he found the Smith family, probably in 1823, and spent the next 7 years working on this project. There is even some evidence Joseph was visited by Sidney, not Moroni every time he claimed to be visited by an angel. When Martin Harris lost the first 116 pages, Joseph and the gang spent 9 months creating the first and last part of the Book of Mormon, which we know contains elements from Joseph's family (Father's dream, the name "Lemuel," etc.)
A lot of fun speculation here. Fortunately, we all can agree the Book of Mormon is a fraud.
@@theadmin7681 Nice try, try again.
@@richardholmes7199 You have to use more than shame projection to make your point. if you have facts that counter these points please present them because I am happy to learn about them and change my mind, if I need to.
As stated in a post on another video by you, Manuscript Found was not about Romans. It was, according to multiple affidavits, about Hebrews and was written in the style of the King James Bible. Anyone interested in the very persuasive details should read Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon by Wayne L. Cowdrey, Howard A. Davis, and Arthur Vanick.
That is an excellent book. There were two manuscripts. The manuscript we still have was about Roman soldiers en route to England getting blown off course and landing in the New World. The manuscript we don't have was written in the style of the KJV Bible, as you mention.
A newspaper of the day says there were 3 manuscript: the one we have, a second manuscript furthering the story (in KJV lingo) and a third document which was a re-write of the first and second. Likely, the third manuscript was at the printers and made it's way to Rigdon and then Joseph. The other two were likely preserved by Spalding's wife, collected by Hurlbert, and one was sold to Joseph (for $800) which he destroyed, and the other was left with Hurlbert and became the remaining manuscript we have, which at first glance doesn't resemble the BofM, but if you read the text it describes Native American armies fighting each others with swords, and their generals sending letters back and forth to each other to defend their constitutions, their lives, liberties, women, and their children. Sound familiar?.
I thoroughly enjoyed this analysis and the accompanying sources. I’ll use it as a spring board for my own studies. Thank you!
LDS church is Swedenborgian.
Some of the plagiarism websites quote in this video are no longer available, any updates on them?
They were down temporarily, they are back up now.
well very done thank you
Some good material, but Olive Trees are often grown in Vineyards or right next to them. In fact, Olive trees protect grapes from cross pollination.
Thank you. I will look into this.
The LDS church is totally committed to defending Joseph Smith, this includes his writings.
They defend his BOM with everything at their disposal, including multi million dollar internet video campaigns.
When did you last see a LDS video defending the Bible?.........
As this church leader said in his opening statement, Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon is the foundation/keystone of his faith.
If he was a Christian he wouldn't say that, but he isn't, so he does.
If Mormonism was a Christian church it's 8th Article of faith wouldn't say it believes that the Bible is not translated correctly.
The Mormon missionaries have no interest in getting people to read the Bible, only Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon, this, sadly, is that church's obsession.
People who read the Bible don't become Mormons, people who read the book of Mormon do, or might, so they steer potential converts subtly away from God's word, while questioning the Bible's integrity and ultimate authority.
One thing about this faith is that the closer you examine it, the worst it gets, from a biblical perspective.
Kind regards to all.
Exactly. No one, including the prophets and apostles all the way down to the members in testimony meetings every first Sunday of the month - NO ONE in the LDS church ever testifies or has testified of the truthfulness of the Bible or that it is the word of God. Oh of course someone could obviously say that I can’t know that because I’ve never been to all the testimony meetings in all the meeting houses since this all started back in 1830 and all the way to now.
My response: You are right and I don’t need to. The members are taught to follow the prophet and none of the prophets have said those words in conferences since 1830. Look it up. Also look up Article of Faith #8 and ask yourself the questions. Doesn’t it seem to cast a shadow of doubt on the Bible. Shouldn’t the most correct book on the face of the earth probably not need thousands of corrects made to it - spelling AND doctrinal.
And we do have a way now to have a correct translation of the Hebrew and Greek Bible because manuscripts have become available that were not in 1830. Ask the tough questions as to why the article of faith #8 still exists in the 21st century.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Do LDS people not believe the Bible to be the work of God? We can translate it correctly.
You lie like practically all anti-LDS lie. Man-made churches (all Protestant-Sectarian churches) are built on lies. Most of them have paid ministers. None of them have either one of Jesus Christ’s two Priesthoods. They have no Authority to baptize, bestow the Holy Ghost, or perform the Holy ordinances of God. Those who speak against the Lord’s true Church only widen the gap between them and Christ.
You lie one time after another, and you hope other clueless individuals will believe your lies.
You Protestants/Sectarians don’t know the Bible, which is why one Protestant/Sectarian Church contradicts another. None of your Man-made churches has the Holy Ghost, so you wander like intoxicated drunkards.
You Protestants/Sectarians teach that we go to Heaven when we die. Show that to me from the Bible. You won’t find it. It isn’t there. Like Jesus Christ, we all go into the Spirit World when we die, where the Gospel of Jesus Christ is taught, the same as here in Mortality. Only after the 1000-year Millennium is finished will we be able to go to Heaven, and it won’t be to only one degree of Heaven. It will be to three different degrees of Heaven, just like what the Apostle Paul taught in the New Testament. Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial. And by the way, the Lord Jesus Christ gave specific, detailed Revelations concerning these THREE DEGREES OF HEAVEN.
2:36:10 “…the way the kid died in a former life.” (!!) Did not expect that conclusion after an attempted take-down of Mormonism.
These thousands of NDE accounts confirm we are eternal beings. Mormonism tries to own it (and you). We are all on our own journeys of development, not salvation.
How do you come to that conclusion?
Thank you for your research and presentation on the BOM. However, I’m not sure I agree that Sidney Ridgon would seek out a young 14-year-old farm boy Joseph Smith to carry out his idea of creating the BOM.
He didn't seek out a 14 year old boy...they met the year the BOM was published...1830. JS was 25 at that time.
Actually they met in 1827, when JS was 22, but your point is well stated. When Joseph was visited by an angel in September 1827, it was really Sidney Rigdon, not Moroni.
I enjoyed this . Thank you . But just one error I picked up . Emma didn’t marry Joseph strange
Thank you for the correction. Emma married Major Lewis C. Bidamon, on December 23, 1847, which was Joseph Smith's birthday.
Another thing. Seeing all the many books you listed that could have been used to plagerize, how om earth could JS or RIGDON have read all those books in a short time and then use certain parts to make the BM?? I question the BM but good grief! To have put the BM together with all those other parts of books would have taken at least 2 years. And putting it into Hebrew Chiasm's like the BM would take a smart person in Hebrew language. 🤔🥺😳😬
You are right. No doubt the project took many years. Rigdon mysteriously took a 3 year sabbatical to "study the bible" in 1823 or 1824, after he moved back to Pittsburg, where he encountered the Spalding Manuscript. Likely the project began then.
I decided to watch this because I found my faith in the Church many years ago and then obtained academic knowledge that backed my faith up. That said, many people have come to me with their doubts. As they did this I would look into the reasons for their doubts and I was always able to find an answer. Well, recently I have been hearing more about plagiarism theories. I knew little about this type of anti-Mormon doctrine and decided to learn more about it. I think your video was insightful. I will check out a few of the books you have mentioned to make my own analysis. One critique I have on your video is that it inaccurately reflects the substantial amount of evidences that has been found, not to support the Central American theory, but the Heartland Model. I recommend looking into some of the work by Rod Meldrum and his constituents who have done much investigative research, finding the majority of the claims of the Book of Mormon to be true. In the North American Indian mounds, for example, there has been a plethora of archeological evidence found supporting metallurgy, smelting, production of swords, shields, head-plates, etc. There is Hebrew writing, Hebrew alters, etc. Linguists have found that the Algonquian languages of the North American Natives comes from Hebrew. They also determined that there are Phoenician rooted words in the Book of Mormon that start appearing after the Mulekites are discovered, which is attributed to the fact that the Mulekites probably hitched a ride with the Phoenicians to the Americas since they were one of the only civilizations that made boats back then, so it is interesting that when the Nephites find the Mulekites all the sudden you start seeing these Phoenician rooted words appear in the Book of Mormon, e.g. the monetary system used in Zarahemla. There are many other good examples of B. of M. evidence, like haplogroup X, a mitochondrial DNA that certain experts have determined to link the North American Natives to the Hebrews, so there is DNA evidence as well. Sorry, I am going off of memory here but you can find the sources listening to Rod Meldrum's Book of Mormon Evidence Podcasts. According to Meldrum et. al. the problem with B. of M. evidence is people are looking in the wrong place, as you rightfully mentioned in your video, there is basically no evidence in Central and South America to support the book took place there. These were lies perpetuated into the Church by Sidney and others who probably didn't have much faith in what they were teaching and were grasping at straws when they learned about the Pre-Columbian ancient ruins. Now, I am not trying to smackdown your Book of Mormon Smackdown video, I am simply looking for the truth like anyone else who will be watching this, so I am here to let people know that there actually is a great deal of evidence supporting the Book of Mormon having taken place in the Heartland of America. Oh yeah, I also recall in your video that you said the Book of Mormon does not warn us about problems in the 21st Century, which it does, and specifically about globalism. I don't see how you claim that the secret combinations have to do with Masonry vs. Christianity. To me there are obvious allusions to secret combinations in world government that seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations. It even goes into some of the juicy details about some of the sick practices that tend to get repeated through history, i.e, child sacrifice, rape and cannibalism. These are 21st century issues addressed in the Book of Mormon.
Meta, thank you for your thoughtful comment. You provided a lot of information to address. I'll do my best. I appreciate your hopeful enthusiasm. I remember when I was there. Here are my thoughts on your comments:
1. "One critique I have on your video is that it inaccurately reflects the substantial amount of evidences that has been found, not to support the Central American theory, but the Heartland Model."
There is a great discussion about the problems with the Heartland Model and the fraudulent Hebrew artifacts "discovered" and still on display in small-town local museums. I've met Rod Meldrum in person, and he's a great guy. He's selling thousands of DVD's but unfortunately his conclusions are not scientific. For example, Haplogroup X DNA has only been found in remains that predate Lehi by thousands of years, so if you follow the science it does not support the BofM claims. Here's a link to one scientific summary of the problems with the Heartland Model, as explained by a professional Geneticist Dr. Simon Southerton: ruclips.net/video/XSPyPjLMrbU/видео.html
Also, here is a link to a non-LDS group exposing the Bat Creek Stone and the Newark Decalogue Stone as fakes: www.ohiohistory.org/learn/collections/archaeology/archaeology-blog/2014/may-2014/additional-digging-uncovers-source-of-bat-creek-ho
2. "Linguists have found that the Algonquian languages of the North American Natives comes from Hebrew."
I'm wasn't familiar with this claim, but a quick Google search revealed this BYU Research paper by Brian Stubbs disagreeing with your statement.
scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1258&context=jbms
3. "you said the Book of Mormon does not warn us about problems in the 21st Century, which it does, and specifically about globalism."
I don't know what you mean by this.
4. "I don't see how you claim that the secret combinations have to do with Masonry vs. Christianity. To me there are obvious allusions to secret combinations in world government that seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations."
A better explanation than I gave in the video is that early Christian leaders were at odds with early Mason leaders because according to Mason's you must only believe in God--any god will do, but Christian leaders insisted your god must by Jesus Christ. They saw Masonic lodges as counterfeit religions. BTW, you can thank the Masonic founding fathers for the separation of church and state in America. They orchestrated that. Without them America would have likely been a Theocracy. Anyway, these secret combination warnings were jabs at the Masons. Martin Harris even called the Book of Mormon the "anti-Masonic Bible." Here's a link where you can read more about this: www.jstor.org/stable/43200831
BTW, I share your sentiment and worry at the current state of the globalists and their present influence on the free world. Strange how I see parents everywhere, and certain senators, not "The Elders of Israel", working to secure the Constitution.
@@theadmin7681 Thanks Admin, but it’s not hopeful enthusiasm. I am just trying to find the truth.
In the “Mormon Stories” video you posted, one of the first assertions is that there is no archeological evidence supporting a North American written language, but there is plenty of evidence that the ancestors of the North American Indian’s actually did have a written language, and Scott Wolter, a forensic geologist, presented his findings in favor of the Bat Creek Inscription and the Decalogue Stone as well as other pieces of evidence that support these claims. There are also museum workers who allegedly claimed that they were instructed to keep anything predating colonials with writing on it in the basement because they don’t have any explanations for it.
In the same video they spend a lot of time continuing to bash the Central American model. It is easy for them to slam Central and S. American theories because there isn’t that much evidence to support them. The Heartland model, on the other hand, is surrounded by pretty interesting evidence, and that complicates the argument. This could be the reason you didn't mention the heartland model in your video, or at least I don't remember seeing it in there.
As touching on Haplogroup X, the invited guest himself admits that this group is found in the Middle East as well as in North America. It is also interesting to note that this DNA was only found within the Algonquian language family groups, the same purported to have stemmed from Hebrew by non-LDS researchers. I am aware that there are linguists who disagree that the Algonquian language family comes from Hebrew, but it is close enough that there are others who think that it does, and according to their calculations it split from Hebrew at about 600 bc, the same year Lehi left Jerusalem with his family. So, as much as we want to discredit all these arguments, the fact that this whole conversation exists in and of itself is something to think about when considering the veracity of the Book of Mormon.
Also, in the Mormon Stories video, they start slamming creationism in general and base all their science on evolution. This may not be popular with some reading this, but there is no proof that evolution from one species into another has ever occurred. They have done experiment after experiment trying to reproduce this theory with the most basic lifeforms in a laboratory and have yet to be successful. They can’t even get a bacterium, the most basic os lifeforms, to evolve into anything else other than a bacterium. This is speaking on a species whose reproductive life is measured in the timeframe of minutes to hours, yet they suppose that the human species evolved from primates and lower lifeforms and ultimately from bacteria in less generations than what has been observed in a lab with bacteria. It doesn’t work.
Micro-evolution is true, on the other hand, is true. Kids tend to look like their parents, dogs can be “bred” for hunting, etc., but the changing of one species into another, even at the most basic bacterial level has never been observed.
Then, these guys don’t believe the conspiracy theories. This is a problem I have with their credibility. The so-called conspiracy theories are true. We are literally living in a communist take-over. If you don’t believe Alex Jones then read a book by Ezra Taft Benson called, “An Enemy Hath Done This.” Everything he warned about is so shockingly a reality right now than it ever was when he wrote the book back in 1968.
I am not trying to be an apologist for the church. I am simply trying to find out what the truth is. There happens to be a lot of Book of Mormon Evidence whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I’m not even trying to get anyone to join the church, and even less right now with everything that is going on in politics. Benson warned about the globalist takeover and the current prophet seems to not be worried about it. The church, unfortunately, seems to be going along with the very globalist agenda that Ezra Taft Benson, the Bible and even the Book of Mormon warn so much about. I have my own theories, irrelevant to the conversation at hand, about what is going on with the leadership of the church, but my point is that I have no vested interest in this conversation other than to find the truth and we should try to take an unbiased look into this.
Back to the Mormon Stories video… The guest speaker then goes on to admit that there were evidences of advanced technology in the North American Indian mounds, i.e., smelting of copper, brass and steal, but he attributes them to European settlers. He obviously isn’t looking at all the known evidence. They have literally found kilns and axe-heads in the forms buried in those mounds as well as ancient Hebrew style alters for animal sacrifices. Now, it is illegal to go digging around on these burial grounds making it harder to find the truth, but there are volumes published on these findings, which findings predate Columbus and other Europeans. It is my opinion that there is a conspiracy to cover up the true history of this continent. The main host of the show even admits that early government lied about the natives to justify the European settlers taking their lands, but he fails to realize that much of this hasn’t changed and the effort to cover up the fact that the N. Americans really did come from a thriving and advanced civilization is still realized by mainstream education and narrative.
The main event of Mormon Stories was Kennewick Man. He is a skeleton found in Washington State who had the X2a DNA that is ancestral to all Native American X2a lineages. The show’s guest goes into detail about how those remains are at least 9000 years old, thus predating Book of Mormon chronology. He claims the bone sample used by the Heartland defenders for testing was actually mineralization built up on the bone's cortex from the river he was washed up from and that if you took a collagen sample from the interior of the bone it shows he was older than 9000. On Rod’s website they rebut that claim saying the sample was taken from the inside of the bone showing it to be around 2000 years old, fitting the timeline of the B of M. I guess we have to find the skeleton and do the test ourselves, but even if we did there would still be room for doubt due to the problems with dating methods.
Speaking on the dating methods, they did mention the carbon dating debate. Some scientists don’t believe it is necessarily reliable. I have come across information about the inconsistencies of C12, C13 and C14 isotopes and how local environmental changes in the amount of these carbons affect the outcome of the dating and also that carbon dating is under the assumption that the specimen be under constant sunlight. These are some arguments that have been made against this type of dating.
There are a lot of theories and possibilities, but one thing we have to admit is that we could not be having this conversation if the claims in question were Central and South American. On the other hand, there are credible arguments on both sides in the Heartland Model. It seems that as the subject matter strikes closer to home the conversation gets more interesting.
@@theadmin7681 name a few reputable archeologists or Egyptologists outside BYU that recognizes any sliver of evidence for the BOM.
@@barbwire7449 he can't. There aren't any. There ARE those within the ranks of BYU archaeology that have claimed there is zero archaeological evidence, however.
When one already has the finding decided in their own mind they will stretch to manipulate any circumstances to fit their belief. That's what you see with this individual commenting here.
Apparently the rules of archaeological evidence are suspended solely for forcing his BOM square peg into an evidentiary round hole.
There is absolutely no archeological evidence in support of the Book of Mormon. Oscar Meyers has a word for those BYU intellectuals who claim otherwise. It is called "BALONY".
there are many people born with photographic memory, and speed reading skills. im sure there are some that can read a chapter in a book, and say it back from memory.
Yes i always thought there were some strange things. But a Biggg question is how did J.S. know how to write in Hebrew Chiasm's?? See there's more confusion just with that question. BM. Is written in Hebrew Chiasm form. I never hear that question being addressed! Why??
You mean how did Sidney write in Hebrew?
Because he copied from others and from the KJV bible. That in itself is enough. I can post many pages of where JS borrowed from other books, changed words to their synonyms, and/or added filler text, but the bottom line is, he copied whole chapters from the KJV word for word. Nothing from the KJV should be in the BoM.
Some great stuff here. Though I do have to say you give an inaccurate comparison between the 116 pages and the current BoM. Those were handwritten pages, which when compared to the other handwritten manuscripts, would have produced something like 250-300 pages. So it's the 250-300 Harris pages vs the 531 Cowdery pages, or about half the size instead of a fourth.
Thanks for the correction, but if what you say was accurate, Martin Harris was still 5 times slower than Oliver Cowdery. It still does not add up. Obviously, Joseph and Oliver were cooking something up.
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Re: The Spalding theory: On this score, you've made a serious misstatement. Those who dismiss this perspective are NOT just those within the Church. Among those post-Mormon (no longer believing) critics of note of the Spalding theory include Fawn Brody, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, and Dan Vogel.
I find the theory much more credible than they, but it's worth noting that it's often dismissed by historians who do not embrace Mormonism.
Yes, you are right...I made an extreme claim, and these historians you've listed discount it...however, they have not put forth a better explanation. In addition, Fawn Brody and Dan Vogel never studied Sidney Rigdon, and Sandra Tanner commented elsewhere here saying refer to Vogel. What's more important than "who" thinks "what" is actual facts.
I agree that early Mormonism, as found in "The Book of Mormon," is Rigdonism. Well done!!!
Except that the Book of Mormon was published before Joseph and Sidney Rigdon ever met.
Though, based on the testimony of Joseph's neighbors, like Lorenzo Saunders, I think Joseph and Sidney did secretly meet; for there to be Rigdonism in The Book of Mormon it is not necessary that Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon had met. Or it could be that The Book of Mormon is from God and that He is prolonging, 47 years and counting, His response to me.
Lorenzo Saunders' sworn affidavit:
"That in March of 1827, on or about the 15th of said month I went to the house of Joseph Smith for the purpose of getting some maple sugar to eat, that when I arrived at the house of said Joseph Smith, I was met at the door by Harrison Smith, Jo’s brother. That at a distance of ten or twelve rods from the house there were five men that were engaged in talking, four of whom I knew, the fifth one was better dressed than the rest of those whom I was acquainted with. I inquired of Harrison Smith who the stranger was? He informed me his name was Sidney Rigdom with whom I afterwards became acquainted and found to be Sidney Rigdon."
. Sidney Rigdon had never even heard of Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon until a friend and "Mormon" missionary Parley P Pratt, gave him a copy in September1830. Rigdon read it and was baptized in November. He finally met Joseph Smith for the first time in December of the same year. The book of Mormon had already been published.
Your eye-witness testimonies are wrong.
Sidney Rigdon's personal journal entry for March and April 1827, places him in Mentor, Ohio performing marriages for his own congregation, while Joseph had just been married and was living with his in-lwas in Manchester NY. It was during this time that the Book of Mormon was being translated.
@@jamesbaldwin7676so it's not true because sidney said it was not true?
@@dr33776 it's not true because they were both in different States and both engaged in other activities during March of 1847.
The Spalding/Rigdon theory was debunked ages ago. There never was any kind of connection and today the Spalding manuscript wouldn't even exist except it was reprinted by the Church in 1996 in an effort to put to rest the claims that it and the Book of Mormon were one and the same.
Just because books may share the same kind of plot, doesn't prove plagiarism. There are after all, only 7 plots to choose from according to literary science.
And yes, the words and testimony of a disaffected man, delivered to his own son and from his own deathbed, don't deserve to be dismissed or ignored.
Is the book Lucy code... where lucy Mack was a bit of a mastermind behind the bom... along with her family and the Freemasons any truth to that theory?
No doubt she was in on it, and was likely a mentor to Joseph during the whole development process. If you read Lucy's Book, she writes in prose eerily similar to passages in the Book of Mormon. I think she may have had a hand in the re-creation of the lost 116 pages.
It looks like Smith had an easy time copying from the Bible. Not surprised at all of a con man to do so.
Smith used a hat in a rock and looked inside the hat with no light, and saw the words come on the rock! Wow! Smith was a glass-looker and tired to find gold in the hills!!! LOL!
Kirkland safety society
Yes, thank you...that was the name of the Bank Joseph Smith illegally started.
Oliver Cowdry also wrote a book after he left the church.
yes left the church but he came back
@@allanlopez3850 Yah but we don't really know all the details or motives and if it actually happened. Most of the witnesses were in fear of their lives.
@@stevenhenderson9005 how did you say that the witnesses were afraid for their lives?
@@allanlopez3850 They were in fear of the secret band of Danites to enforce the blood oaths they were all in place. Have you researched the reasons why and how the witnesses were driven away?
@@allanlopez3850 Lots of people were in fear for their lives whenever they left the church or talked bad about Joseph or the leaders. Most of this stuff is hidden and buried away. I fond some people in Nauvoo that was in opposition with leaders and all of a sudden just disappeared.
At first I just disregarded any of these things as being anti-mormon attacks against the church but then I started seeing a pattern and it is weird. It's like all of a sudden you never hear about a particular person ever again. Like a couple of Brigham Youngs wives that just vanished and not a single person talks about it, just silence as if they never existed.
There are hundreds of verses in the BOM that contradicts the KJV. Smith said the Christian Bible is in error, being altered and translated wrong down thru the centuries, contaminated and, therefore, he questioned the authenticity of the KJV. But, Mormons identify as christians.
The Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 has proven that the same scriptures Jesus read from in Herod's Temple is the same words we read today. Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away, but His word would always be with us. Jesus was correct. Over 2000 years and the Christian Bible is still with us, nothing changed. Compare the BOM which has been edited and changed over 1000 times since it was first published.
In all of his writings, Paul the Apostle taught "faith alone". Ephesians 2: 8,9, and Romans 11:6 clearly states that works and faith cannot be mixed, it has to be one or the other, but cannot be both. In Galations 5:4, Paul gives a scary warning that those who are justified by the law, (legalism) are fallen from grace. Galations 2: 16 reconfirms that no one is justified by works. There are over 100 verses in the KJV that clearly teach faith alone, with no works, including Romans 4:5.
Compare this with 2 Nephi 25: 23 that says, "we are saved by grace after all we can do", clearly a works-driven path to salvation, a violation of faith alone, and clearly supporting a mixture of grace + works. Mormonism is in direct contradiction to christianity and the grace of Jesus Christ.
A man placed his head in a hat, and using magical stones, translated a new bible. Can anyone see why true christians compare the BOM to "Jack and the Beanstalk", a fairy tale, where the central theme is magical beans?
Mormons have the right to believe in fairy tales, with no archeology evidence supporting the BOM. They do not have the right to identify as christians.
Many things have changed in the Bible. For example, you can see here a list of verses not included in modern New Testaments (like the ending of Mark or the woman taken in adultery) because they aren't in the earliest manuscripts en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_verses_not_included_in_modern_English_translations
@@bennyhinrichs There is nothing changed in the Holy scriptures that changed the formula for salvation over the centuries. Any language expert will tell you that translations from one language to another loses some word meanings slightly. That is because some words in one language may not have an exact meaning in another language, so the translators use the closest available words. But, no translation available changes what it takes to be saved, or the main text, from the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts
The Dead Sea Scrolls are not the exact word for word as modern translations, and will certainly vary from one language to another, but any reputable Hebrew scholar will tell you it is astonishing how close the Dead Sea Scrolls are to the KJV. The only errors are slight translation errors, so slight as to be insignificant. Again, we are safe to make the claim that we read today the same scriptures Jesus read from. Compare these facts with the BOM, which has been edited over 1000 times from the first publication in 1830.
If the BOM Is translated from English to other languages, expect minor differences. But, the main text of the BOM should remain the same, unless the translators are not reputable.
The problems with Joseph Smith are so numerous, they would fill a text book. Simply search utube for this truth.
@@barbwire7449 The DSS present a more polytheistic version of Judaism than what is given in the Masoretic texts used to translate the KJV. That being said, there is a gradient of polytheism to monotheism in the Tanakh from polytheistic sections like Deut. 38, Ps. 74, and Gen. 6 to the more monotheistic Isa. 45 and Ezra 9-10. In the DSS 4Q37, a fragment of Deut. 32:8-12, it reads "children of the gods" whereas in the Masoretic texts (much later), it reads "children of Israel".
The Bible itself can't even decide how many gods there are, so what does it matter if the text is preserved?
The gospels and Paul can't agree on the divinity of Jesus. Was he a man made divine (Mark)? Was he born divine (Matthew)? Was he conceived divine (Luke)? Was he a preexistent being that was made divine (Paul)? Was he a preexistent being who was always divine (John)?
Between all the tens of thousands of New Testament manuscripts, there are hundreds of thousands of textual variants, as many as 500,000, not counting spelling variants. These are not translation errors, as most instances were copying from a previous manuscript. The entire last twelve verses of Mark, where Jesus appears to the apostles, is not original.
Salvation is completely different between the Old and New Testaments. The afterlife isn't even mentioned in the first five books of the OT. It's disingenuous to say "no translation changes what it takes to be saved" when the book itself shifts the goalposts and definition of salvation mid-text.
@@bennyhinrichs If you believe this, then why trust the KJV? If the Mormon church believes the christian Bible is not the word of God, they need to toss it. If it is in error like you and Joe claim, then why acknowledge it?
Thousands of archeology diggings throughout the middle east, century after century, have verified cities, coins, geographical locations, kings, and countless artifacts to support the accuracy and history of the christian Bible as reliable.
Compare the BOM. Nothing but a fairy tale. No reputable archeologist outside the Mormon church or BYU would dare use the BOM as a guide to dig for historical artifacts. It is the Mormon church that constantly searches for some thread of evidence to support the BOM. No serious archeologists outside the church is using the BOM as a guide to prove anything, including the Smithsonian.
Go to Israel. Tell the Hebrews that the lost tribe of Israel is an American Indian tribe. The Hebrew scholars will laugh you out of the country.
But there is nothing I can say to make a Mormon sheeple believe the truth. No forthcoming devastating evidence against the church, no matter how much devastating, no matter how obviously true, will ever shake your faith in the BOM or Joseph Smith, the greatest conman in American history. MATTHEW 24: 35-39 (KJV) Jesus says that heaven and earth shall pass away, but His word will always be with us. We know the truth is out there somewhere; (His Word) has always been with us since the time of Jesus, because heaven and earth have not passed away.
If you believe the BOM is the true word, (even though the BOM did pass away, being buried in the ground until published in 1830), with virtually no scientific proof of historical accuracy, then go for the gusto. Stake your eternal destiny on a fairy tale. No one will stop you. Of course, if you believe the KJV is in error, a lie, no way of determining which verses are or are not in error, then all arguments are moot.
@@barbwire7449 His word has not been with us since the time of Jesus. The gospels weren't written until decades after Jesus supposedly existed, which makes it dubious they contain any of his actual words.
There is lots of evidence to support certain aspects of the Bible, and lots of absence of evidence where it would be otherwise expected. The farthest back we can go to get a tenuous connection to someone named in the Bible is David. But even that is on a stele naming victory over "the House of David" centuries after David supposedly lived (called the Tel Dan Stele). There is no archaeological evidence for Moses, the Exodus, Abraham, Noah, etc. There is no archaeological evidence for Jesus either.
But regardless of how many pieces of evidence are uncovered supporting locations, customs, or historical figures, that doesn't provide any evidence of the supernatural. If I claim to be able to fly, historians in the future can uncover as many details as they like about my hometown, my schooling, my occupation, all corroborating supposed details from my life. But none of that would actually prove that I could fly.
The Book of Mormon, as you state, does not contain an accurate representation of reality. And that's from a religion which has pretty rigorous documentation on its origins. Christianity, and furthermore Judaism, arose during pre-Enlightenment times when record keeping was a shadow of what it is today, and magic thinking was the inherent worldview. You fainly apply your historical heuristics to Mormonism, yet it seems that you are very loath to apply the same tests to Christianity.
Mormonism arose from American-flavored, Protestant Christianity. Christianity arose from Hellenistic-flavored Judaism. Judaism arose from Canaanite-flavored pagan polytheism (with a healthy dose of Zoroastrianism along the line). You spew vitriol against Mormonism because it seeks to supersede Christianity, while ignoring that both Christianity and Judaism superseded earlier religions.
I was expecting a persuasive analysis. Unfortunately I didn’t get it. The least persuasive part was the whole middle section on the supposed plagiarisms, often citing two or three word phrases. The best I heard was that Joseph wasn’t the genius, Rigdon was. But the concern is that the Book appears too sophistication for a single person. Thanks for demonstrating the best secular theory for the existence of the Book of Mormon. I now at least see how thread bare the theory is.
And thank you for your opinion, among the many others listed here in these comments.
Smack down???
Nope
I thought your presentation would have something new or revelatory in it that I haven't heard before.
That book is exactly what it claims to be.
You're exactly what Mormons have been since 1830 delusional and indoctrinated!
The Book of Mormon is a fraud. The fact it has KJV passages throughout is proof enough. There shouldn't be any.
Who is this speaking?
Who is this posting, Kermit?
Indeed, the frog abides.. I just wanted to know if the speaker made more videos, because it's incredibly well done
You lost me at the end with your magic is real claims.
"When the student is ready the teacher appears."
this absolutely bogus. any one who has done research knows this guy is lying.
Are you for real? He's presenting his evidence for you. It's clearly true and you are clearly a victim of indoctrination.
I'll bite. Where and when do you think he's lying?
@@scottbarrett9579 I'm curious to hear his answer as well. Most of the information in the video is undeniable/public record.
Salty much?
Talking about yourself seeing your cult exposed?
The book of Mormon has several codes in it 22 chapters of first nephi are the same as the 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet every Hebrew letter has a number value in order up to 22 a literal value and a metaphor value and every time they show up in the chapter they refer to the Hebrew meaning is there Everytime.
can you kindly post them
I did agree with The Admin on several points! One - the answers are within us! Two - You can always tell the liars because they are always over telling. Over tellers (liars) have to convince you what they have is true. The Admin spent two plus hours over telling the smackdown of the Book of Mormon. And yet he over told on himself.
Which goes back to my first point (the answers are within us). Watching this video I felt darkness, and not at peace. Many interpret these feelings that the Church is false and the leaders are lying to us. Yet the spirit is really telling me this presentation is wrong and deceptive.
@Kevin I would call this 50 points of HIS revisionist history.
Good point Kevin. As we move from within distortion into reality (I must clean this dirty toilet instead of play with my friends) it is often quite disturbing and even painful. Some call this mental pressure cognitive dissonance. It is enough to stop some people from leaving distortion--and they pay for it later---and yet other, emotionally intelligent people are able to see reality, however temporarily uncomfortable, and step into it, improving their lives as a result. Indeed, it takes faith, maturity, and presence of mind to overcome cognitive dissonance.
The explanation is required for sheep minded people to break from their status quo and think for themselves. To see the narrative not just the way the church displays it. Also many of these facts are easily confirmable and even on the church website but strategically separated in different articles to avoid anybody saying they hid the truth but also not so obvious that a lazy learner could actually connect those dots.
@@ohmystarnes8199 I am sorry, I am waiting for a response from SLC to tell me what to say. I must stay within the Church narrative. I will get back to you as soon as I get an idea from the old guys. I don't want to connect dots that my mind can't handle.
@@wmdubinhad yes. You are sorry.
I will not waste my time
Because you can't deal with the Truth.
LOL
fake news.
I've been studying anti-mormon productions for many years. Noting new here. In my opinion Tad Callister is right. It's impossible to disprove the Book of Mormon because the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be.
Who made this and how much were they paid?
Jared, here is a link to an excellent interview with neuro-psychologist Dr. Andrew Huberman, who explains how humans irrationally defend their primary source of dopamine. Check it out.
ruclips.net/video/ges5AdZIv_s/видео.html
Jared, how much have you paid the church to ensure you will get into heaven? How do you feel about that 100 billion dollars they have hidden away in their bank account that is absolutely not going to church works or charitable acts. I’m afraid they are the ones getting paid... by people like you.
Hahah nice one Jared
@@sarahberry5644 You are right! The Law of Tithing is about getting into heaven! Or is that the windows of heaven will be opened to your mind. Well it doesn't matter, let's just stay with our truths 😉!
Wait, what? 100 billion dollars (thought it was 130 billion)!!! The church leaders are doing a very poor job spending and enjoying this money for themselves! They work most days (when most others are retired), spending time in church meetings, sitting on airplanes, traveling around the world to sit in more church meetings. Sarah please contact them. Explain they are not fitting the mold of corruption! This makes me so mad!
@Kevin - We are to walk by faith in this life, not by proof. Jesus taught "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Korihor asked for evidence, but what a lesson he learned! “Signs & evidence seekers fail to understand the important relationship between faith and the miraculous powers, or signs, that accompany faith.” I am sure you will never understand this statement. But I am hoping other who read this will.
I’ve seen, in person, many ruins in Centeral and South America. However I saw no proof of the Book of Mormons stories. But I saw many, many, many things that strongly suggest Book of Mormon people lived here.
BTW - There is no proof that Jesus Christ lived in the Holy Land. But I saw, in person, many, many, many things that strongly suggest Christ did.
The Book of Mormon SMACKDOWN is all about sowing together speculation, opinion, and poor documentations. Admin video above is proof he is anything but a historian!
Nobody can disprove the Book of Mormon because it is true. Anyone who says the Book of Mormon is false, I will give him or her a challenge: write a book comparable to the Book of Mormon. You will fail miserably.
Here's a jewel just for you... www.bookofmormonplagiarism.com/
Burden of proof fallacy..you can't assume Peepstone Joe's novel is true until proven false
@richarner3856 I know what it is like to write a novel. My novel, BOYS OF THE ISLAND, is being published under my writing name. The Book of Mormon is true. No one can write anything comparable to it. Just so you know, Jesus Christ personally appeared to President Lorenzo Snow in the Salt Lake Temple in 1877, very soon after the previous President of the Church, Wilford Woodruff, died. Wilford Woodruff was sealed (married) for Eternity to my ancestor, Emma Smith (named after the Prophet Joseph Smith's wife, Emma) in the Old Endowment House in Salt Lake on March 13, 1853. 24 years later, George Washington and ALL the Founding Fathers personally appeared from the Spirit World to President Wilford Woodruff in the St. George Temple, in St. George, Utah so that they might receive their Temple endowments. They all had received the true Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Spirit World where the Gospel is also taught. You might be interested to know that two famous Protestant Reformers, Martin Luther and John Wesley, appeared with the Founding Fathers from the Spirit World where they, too, had learned the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Another sorry attempt to disprove the Book of Mormon. When are you guys going to stop rehashing the same tired and debunked claims that have been floating around around for decades or longer. Just answer the question, who wrote the Book of Mormon? You can't even get that one right. Admit it, you have no answer. The Book of Mormon is the word of God.
Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon dude. There. Done.
@garrgravarr you have just proven my point. The uneducated sheep who go along with anything because they are too afraid or lazy to do their own research. Every piece of history, every witness, every scientific study says you are wrong, dude. Try again.