Actually he doesn't go any lower in that song than in this one. The only song where I would call Zeus a bass is the horse and the infant. The other two are more of a baritone range
@Mecha_Neko also morning makes it easier to hit low notes, it's pretty much what all bass singers do when recording really low stuff. So he likely used to also help him hit the really low notes like the Eb2 in Horse and the Infant
Fun(?) facts for the song: - Everyone was on the boat in the canon animatic. Zeus destroyed it when he killed the crew. So, Odysseus was floating aimlessly in the ocean. - As the crew is rushing Odysseus Eurylochus’ sword would’ve been the one to strike him down if Zeus hadn’t killed them first. - The tune at the very end is called “Telemachus’ Lullaby”, after Odysseus’ son. - Luke called this Zeus’ tone of voice “the prince”, like he’s putting on a front to mask the monster he is. It lasts until the very end when Zeus is killing the crew. He lets the growl of Zeus’ true nature come through. You’ll hear it better in God Games.
@ just the end part because, as Odysseus starts to fall deeper into the water, he sees memories of himself, Penelope and Telemachus, then him and Penelope
Canon aside, I would like the narrative and directive choice of Eurylochus not charging while everyone else does and him and Ody just staring at eachother while the rest of everyone is charging before the lighting hits
'[murder] aside Zeus's hair is absolutely top tier' Peter that it's your inner ancient Greek woman. Do not listen to her. Close your heart to her voice 😭🤣
I honestly love how Jay envisioned the voice of Zues having so much more to offer than just “D E E P.” And Luke puts forth this wonderful blend of depth in his voice but also elegance- and regality. He really sounds like a king.
I love this animatic for how it depicts Zeus as truly a force you don't want to reckon with, and Neal Illustrator does great character design in general, but for the future songs it is fairly important to know that canonically this confrontation took place on their ship, and the ship was destroyed in the blast. Odysseus being adrift in the sea sets up the next time you see him
@TNJenni42 oh yeah, so many great depictions of characters across their animatic catalogue. I will always recommend Neal for confrontation scenes. But as this was the animatic that got their name thrown in the ring with the other top animators in the fan community, I do think the addendum of how it ends may be called for
Fun Fact: Zeus is one of the only gods that doesn’t have his name vocally said. He doesn’t need an introduction. The thunder and lightning are his intro.
@@kasspn4631nope, he is processed by an "eagel" cry and thunder, or as here with thunder in god games ever one else gets called out, but with him he just says me, and thats enough
Eeeee the line “a gruesome fate to the Thunder Bringer” right into the chorus like that gives me CHILLS Luke Holt is phenomenal and Jorge’s song writing is incredible
Zeus wasn't being generous by letting hime choose, the point was to expose his true nature. Which was what he was ranting about in the beginning of the song
13:21 i heard another interpretation of this where odysseus’ not saying “don’t make me choose” he’s saying “don’t make me SAY it” as if he is certain of what he’ll pick but doesn’t want to say it out loud.
Yeah, there is no choice and everyone knows it😂 Ody is just a little hypocrit he is ruthless in his heart from the start, je just wants to be seen as better. He does not care as much about his Crews death and having to make the choice verbaly, cause then he cant hide beeing it being out of his hands
Thank you for the nerd out session from a fellow vocal nerd! The piano motif at the end is known as Telemachus' Lullaby (to pack even more of a punch in the feels). Congrats on "Styx" and can't wait to hear your take on the big guy, too!
I am always impressed by the vocals, but also by how Zeus's character is both amazingly powerful and authoritative, but also amazingly sleazy... because it fits so very well with his character in mythology!
He is soooo gross and creepy, and weirdly compelling, like this is the best portrayl of the character I ever came across, that showes both that he is worse then just a manace but also, charming enough to get why people fall for him despite knowing better
@@SingingSealRiana Yeah, I get seriously 'lawful evil' vibes from him. Creepy, knowing no one can call him on it, and happy to make sure all the laws are on his side.
I know it's been mentioned, but just in case you haven't seen it by now, if you remember from the last song, the crew had already rushed out to sea, trying to put enough space between them and the sun gods island, so Zeus actually caught them while they were in the middle of the ocean. So when Zeus struck everyone but Odysseus down, he actually destroyed his ship as well, sending Ody into the water, slowly losing consciousness. I would recommend checking out versions by duvetbox or theearteest on your own.
Yeah, the only real problem I have with this specific animatic is that it ends on land. If you remember the end of the last song, it makes it clear they are back on the ship and trying to row away as fast as they can. So, by the end of Thunderbringer... Ody does not even have a ship. Zeus blasted the whole thing apart, leaving only Odysseus alive. He's now adrift in the sea, possibly drowning, no ship, no crew 😄 I really love this animatic and Neal's style in general, but the choice to leave the crew on land still, may confuse people who aren't yet familiar with the storyline.
I think it was a logistical choice. The Thunder Bringer animation took like a week to slam out out and waves may have killed Neal after watching Ruthlessness lol
@@thingmate7361 Haha, I get the feeling that they are a perfectionist, of course they wouldn't be happy with half-assed waves, no, they need to make a fully animated ocean xD
Peter can we please get a Master Class where you just teach us about Music and Vocal techniques and ranges and Music Theory and everything?!?!? I know very very very little about the technical side of music but when you explain everything, it makes sense to me and I appreciate you so much for that because I am wanting/ trying to get more into singing and bettering my voice.
Keep in mind that this in big parts Eury's fault. In the song, "Luck runs out." Ody took Eury aside and was like, "You HAVE to trust me and stop questioning me." and then Eury Opened the wind bag when they were in sight of Ithaca, because he thought Ody was hiding treasure. Not the storm that they sang about just before Luck Runs Out. This lead to Ody's mom performing an early self termination and they getting delivered right into Poseidon's hands where he killed so much of the crew. While Ody isn't with out mistake, he made plenty. Almost all of it is due to Eury's lack of trust in Ody from the beginning. Note on Neal's: They took liberties by putting the crew on the beach. In the story they were at sea and the ship was destroyed where Ody was left afloat in the ocean alone with the wreckage.
I was about to post something similar although I would also add that. This specific scenario in this song is also Eurys fault. He and the crew mutinied and Eury proceeded to lead the crew directly to killing the Sun gods cows which led to Zeus killing the crew. Literally the songs and incidents with the largest body counts (Ruthlessness & Thunderbinger) were due to Eury making terrible decisions and not trusting/listening to Ody.
To be fair, eurylochus was right to question ody, ody felt all attack seeing it as eurolyceus planting seeds of doubt but that was not what he was doing, tue Crew had already doubts ans he as the second brought them up, so ody can sooth those doubts, but ody chose not to. Odys hybris just got polites and a lot of others killed, as well as cost him his patreon and making all of them a godly nemesis . . .ody is messing up and eurolychus is worries about him. Eurolychus messed up with the wind bag and cows, but neither of those things would have even happened, if ody had not messed up with Athena and polyphemus beforhand!!! Odys unwillingness to engage with his crew is what costs him their loyality.
@SingingSealRiana How did Ody get Polites killed? Ody did everything he could have to get everyone out of that cave. But the Cyclops chose aggression instead of the Peace that Ody offered. Odys ONLY mistake in that whole Cyclopes situation was revealing his name to the Cyclops in a fit of anger after Athena struck a low blow by bringing up Polites death immediately after it happened not understanding that it would evoke some raw emotions out of Ody causing him to make the mistake in question.
@SingingSealRiana All three of the trio made major mistakes that led to the deaths of the 600. Polites started the chain by insisting that they listen to the lotus eaters who sent the crew to the Cyclops. Ody makes the mistake of revealing his name and home to the Cyclops who gets word to Poseidon who creates the storm Ody successfully barters with the wind goddess to get the storm placed in a bag but of course the Eury has to go and open it right when they get to Ithaca which leads directly to Poseidon killing 557 of Odys men then they make landfall at Cerseis island which Eury gets several of the men turned into pigs and tries abandoning them Ody successfully fixes that situation and then later Ody decides to allow Scylla to eat 6 of his men to allow them safe passage but of course Eury and the crew Mutiny and Eury is placed in charge and immediately follows the Mutiny up with making the same mistake Ody did with the Cyclops which was killing an animal without questioning the why they were there Ody tries talking him out of it but Eury again refuses to listen which leads to himself and the last of the crew getting killed
So in The Odyssey before killing the cow Eury says something along the lines of: I'd rather risk the wrath of the gods and beg forgiveness than starve to death. Eury knew he was dead as soon as shit happened when he atked that cow. Edit: That Zeus attack was much more like "Big Bang Attack!" than Kamehameha 😝
Please note: if you don’t watch the live stream for the wisdom saga; it is NOT, I repeat, it is NOT in Odysseus’s point of view for the first three songs. A lot of reactors have mistook the characters and have become confused early on and have to back track. X
OKAY this is because I have seen too many reactors not get this. Next saga is called the Wisdom Saga, it starts with ODY’S SON Telemachus, with Legendary, NOT ODY HIMSELF pls don’t get confused pls and ty
Love the reaction as always Pete! Luke has ALOT more power-belting to show off in the future, just you wait! Question about the Dragon Ball Z reference you made; have you ever seen the fan project "Legend: A Dragon Ball Tale"? It's not really anything related to vocals so it probably wouldn't fit much on here, but it is truly a love letter to Toriyama's creation, and a really fun take on DBZ's lore for an 8 minute animation! Even if it didn't become a video, I recommend it to you and any other DBZ fans in the comments. Can't wait for the wisdom saga next!
I'm honestly so excited about when you'll hear God Games because that just blew people out of the park with how deep Luke went in that song! And his normal voice sounds so different from Zeus 😂
Something to keep in mind for the next saga (thought it won't be relevant till the 4th song) Odysseus's ship is actually destroyed in the canon events of Thunder Bringer. They were already on the water when Zeus shows up. Odysseus is flung unto the water at the end.
The biggest difference between Ody with Scylla Vs here: scylla the crew didn't know that Ody was planning to sacrifice them(which he then made, unknowingly, eury do) here the entire crew was their to watch their captain knowingly sacrifice all of them
This animatic is my favorite. Zeus being this massive just marble carved creature not even choosing to step down to the level of Odysseus here just showing up like he's scolding a child its just immaculate. Also I love the touch of having them simply not reach the boat like they were in a dead sprint towards the ship during the full speed ahead reprise at the end of mutiny. Also Eurylochus just resigned to his fate while everyone runs past him is such a great cap to his part in the story. Like hes finally understanding that hes been the problem this whole time. From full speed ahead and his "take what we need" perspective getting them in hot water with the cyclops, Not listening with the bag, wanting to run from Circe and the parallel between that and Scylla and finally not listening with the cow. Odysseus didnt sacrifice the crew. Every step of the way Eurylochus's pride, distrust, and cowardice killed them. Neal is also the only one ive seen that doesnt sorta... for lack of a better word, twinkify Odysseus which is definite preference imo. Its just my favorite animatic by far
so points i like making 1. eury opened the bag causing the chain reaction, this not only is this an un waranted betray of trust mind you not only is he the captian but the king BUT also his brother inlaw (married to ody's sister) 2.he was willing to leave more than 40 men behind on circes island 3. HE was the one who told ody the gods were dangerous. but still killed a cow on an island with nothing but cows and a god statue on it.
1. I mean if you want to look at it like a chain reaction it started with Odysseus not killing Polyphemus and telling him his name, there probably wouldn't be a storm if not for Odysseus and even if there was Poseidon wouldn't have shown up to kill everyone so it would just have taken a bit longer to return (also if Eury didn't open the bag Poseidon probably would just go to Ithaca to take revenge instead). Not saying it wasn't a betrayal of trust just that I don't think you can put the blame for the chain of tragedy on him (you didn't say he's solely responsible but I have seen a lot of other people put the death of the 500 men on him). 2. It's not said in the song but I seriously doubt Eury took 40 out of the 43 men that were left to scout out Circe's island, more likely he took the minority and was willing to leave them behind for the majority that were left, especially since he had no way to know Hermes would turn up to help and doesn't know how to turn pigs back into men. 3. Fair but at that point he had pretty much given up on going home.
@@katherinesanderson8990 1.true however WE know this, but in the perspective of characters the storm could have been natural instead of divine, at that point none of the crew knew any better. 2.. again fair but once more he was more than willing to. ody at the very least wanted to see if something could be done as he stated in mutiny "it was you who left behind no man" 3. even if they gave up on going home ody warned him outright it was the home of the sun god
@@1nn3r3V1L Fair points. I absolutely don't want to insinuate that Eury did nothing wrong or always acted reasonably and I don't really want to play the blame game, I love the way the tragedy occurs bc of how the characters' flaws play off each other and that's why it could never end any other way. I'm just tired of some people using Eury's flaws to excuse or lessen Ody's.
@@katherinesanderson8990 agreed ody could have avoided the whole thing had he either killed the cyclops (as athena said) or left it alone with out giving his. granted the purpose of giving it was to instill fear and the thought that it could have been worse (atleast in epic i don't remember why he did in the source) . i also want to believe that athena some what instigated this. which is really why i love we'll be fine because it shows the growth in her character that she realized she did make a mistake.
Oh my god ! No wonder you re my favorite reactor of all times ! I AM OBSESSED WITH princess mononoke and ghibli s piano music is just PERFECTIONNNN ! And yes i noticed that the last piano part resembles ghiblis but it s not the only thing , the first part when zeus enters is sooo much like naruto s fight battle music , it gives konoha s vibe so much
Oh, a comment of mine made it into a video😅 This is kinda my favorite song as a perfect characterisation of zeus, then the dark color in his voice even if he sings pretty light and bright cause there always is a hint of threat shining through with his classical training . . . It is just a compleatly different sound then you get outside opera and I am very partial to opera. I learned from listening to opera, making this my favorite to sing too, even if I of cause have to sing it higher, this compliments overall my voice best. He has such a nice playfulness in this whole thing I can not pull of, switching between very different styles . . . I am throughfully charmed by this, even though I fucking hate zeus, and he is an absolute monster. The soft delivery is such a deceptive bitchmove . . . He delights in torturing ody here, while presenting himself as the good guy but . . . Zeus is such an ahole but luke interprets the whole thing so skillfully and charming . . . Wo yeah, I waited for you as someone with an opera background to analyse the preformance as an unique perspective
I have been waiting for you get here and listen to "Telemachus' Lullaby" since the saga dropped. (And you didn't even break it down, sadly) I need to know, the way it ends makes it sound different from the other saga endings, more hopeful. What is happening there? Do they resolve the chord when they haven't previously? Is it the chords used that are more for hopeful pieces? What is it? Most of the other sagas end on more of an ominious or abrupt ending, but this was the first one that seemed to end with his sort of emotion and I wanted to know what musically was different?
Believe it or not, Luke Holt is actually more of a Tenor (according to casper fox who knows jim personally quite well), he just has great control of his lower range so he is able to pull off this Bass-Baritone part. If you listen to his speaking voice its actually quite light and nothing like what you hear in this song
I read a version of this in highschool. I forgot some of the events but overall had the idea that Odysseus was a hero. Through listening to this I've also been looking up the source material to see how close it is. As an adult I'm looking at events very differently. Remember first that Odysseus tried to pay insane to get out of going to war in the first place. He thought Helen wasn't worth the effort. So he's got one goal over all the years: get home. But even so some of the choices he makes show weakness of character. His pride with the cyclops is the root of most of their problems. After that he chooses the least of two bad decisions, but that does include sacrificing six of his men. So we are this idea that he's not a great man of virtue, he's "just a man". With the specifics of this choice, he warned his men. He told them what would happen. They ignored him. For him to fall on his sword for them after that is silly. I think he made the right call. Ultimately i feel like the Odyssey is (as a product of its time) a cautionary tale to know your place and follow the teachings of the gods. A warning to the people to keep the status quo and do what authority figures tell them is best.
BTW, loved your reaction, loved your Zombie cover with Tegan (woukd love to hear a cover from the two doing something a bit more open and classical-ish like "The Prayer"), cant wait for your reaction to Wisdom Saga with her. She really is brilliant.
EEEEE IM SOE XCITED TO LISTEN TO YOUR REACITON!!! *wiggles excitedly* Edit: It's always amazing listening to you nerd out about music composition and vocal techniques. Makes the videos you make very fun and interesting. Along with hearing amazing music, we get to LEARN too?! Yes please.
The first lyrics are lighting Wheeled her and thunder bring her And then afterwards it is lightning Wielder thunder bringer It's a play on words on how zeus's is a skumbag
''Thunder bring her Through the wringer Show her I'm the judgement call The one who makes her kingdom fall Lighting wield her (- not wheeled her) Use and yield her! Show her what she can't conceal for true nature will be revealed'' ''Thunder bringer here to ring your ears until you're deaf with fear and spear you while your death is near Lighting wielder here to yield your time for you have passed your prime sublime you for your act of crime''
Ohhh yeaaaahhh i can so see this work as a Broadway play....i just hope for first run Jorge includes them original vocalusts brothers and sisters in arms. Wanna see Luke do Thunderbringer as much i wanna see Hermes on stage
😂😂😂 I fucking hate Zeus and I am aro ace but I sure have an unhealthy obcession with lukes interpretation of the character . . . Like damned, that voice plain melts me, eben though the character gives me the creeps. I sure get now, first time in my life, how Zeus managed to charm so many partners despite everyone knowing what an abysmal choice of partner he is . . . .
my vocal range is probably somewhere in alto or whatever the term above baritone is haven't done music theory in over a decade so i'm forgetting the order for male vocalists. but i have greater comfort and control in and around luke's baritone range than the higher registers. can still get up a bit higher but his range is my comfort zone. so singing his songs/verses are not as hard as someone like jay's highs and thanks to panic at the disco/brenden urie's song saturday night/say amen i learned i top at around b3 or b4 if i remember the notes right because i can't even screech at that note.
@@SingingSealRiana in a twitch stream with him and Casper he specifically stated he is more of a tenor. He has good lower range, but considers himself a tenor, and when you hear him speak you can tell he has a naturally higher voice
If he's a tenor he's not a very good one. A proper tenor should have far higher than an A4. Seems more likely to me he's just incorrect about his voice type, same as Geoff Castellucci insisting he's a baritone
Just a note since this animatic is very innacurate to what is canon. This song takes place on the ship, and in the end his entire crew drowns and ody appears to be drowning with them in the canon animatic.
I don't think it's generous of Zeus at all. 1) the crew is the one the make the mistake in the first place. They're a group of starving sailors who found a food source, the gods just happened to value the cows over these *people*. 2)Zeus is even further removed from this situation was than Poseidon is from the cyclops. I originally thought the sun god was Apollo here, but it's Helios, the Titan that Zeus hates. Now I'm sure there is an agreement to keep the peace between the gods and titans, but it almost seems like Zeus is just Giddy for the chance to fuck with some mortals. Not that he has an issue doing that in the first place in way more than one way but he's clearly reveling in this. He wants Ody to suffer. 3)He already know what Ody will pick. In Just a Man he says it flat out, I would trade the world for my son and wife. He just wants to hear Ody say it in front of the crew. To drive him to the lowest point. 4)he's directly manipulating him by drawing out a vision of Penelope in those yellowish/gold image. The very thing Ody wants to get home to. Throughout the song he sings of pride and how it's his to control. Like he can just toy with these mortals as his playthings, which does sum up how Zeus views mortals pretty well
You read far too deeply into my off-handed comment mate. Obviously there's nothing generous about the situation, but thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
@@PeterBarberoh 100%, my bad if it came across as more aggressive than I meant haha. I just find Jorge's portrayal of the big guy very fascinating as an antagonist and overall portrayal of Zeus captures elements from other myths in small details too
. . . .it is not generous not because the Crew made the error, as their captain ody is responsible for their deeds afterall . . . . But the fact that the sympathertic deceptivly soft tone is a cat playing with a mouse. Zeus is not angry or invested for justice, HE is invested in showing of his power. Forcing ody to condemn his Crew is way cruler then just killing them, his goal here is breaking him, just as with the infant, he delights in calling out odys hypocricy and forcing him to face what an, in his core selfish man he is. If ody was as good of a man as he pretend to be and gets his grew killed for so far, je would have chosen the crew to live, but as everyone knew, of cause he would not chose them, je just liked thinking he would so instead of just grilling them, Zeus forces him to condront that while ironiously portraying himself ad benevolent too. Difference is, Zeus uses deception towords others, ody is trying to kid himself. As Zeus sings himself, he is there to undress odys pride, später his self image
@@Vegetafan1997their Zeus is so multidymensional and captivating, containing all the complex traits of the original in a package with a lot of skill and charm to sell it . . . Between jays writing and likes interpretation this is a rare masterwork
Yes, in the Odyssey, Eurylochus is Odysseus’s brother-in-law, but not quite in that way. Eurylochus is married to Odysseus’s sister, Ctimene-he’s not Penelope’s brother.
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There is a song in a later saga where you can hear Zeus sing deeper than here, im sure you‘ll nerd out about that too :)
I'm sure that Peter will LOVE it when we get to that
Actually he doesn't go any lower in that song than in this one. The only song where I would call Zeus a bass is the horse and the infant. The other two are more of a baritone range
Luke Holt's beast mode is INSAAANE!
Fun fact: Luke recorded that right after he woke up so it would sound extra gruff and aggressive
@Mecha_Neko also morning makes it easier to hit low notes, it's pretty much what all bass singers do when recording really low stuff. So he likely used to also help him hit the really low notes like the Eb2 in Horse and the Infant
Fun(?) facts for the song:
- Everyone was on the boat in the canon animatic. Zeus destroyed it when he killed the crew. So, Odysseus was floating aimlessly in the ocean.
- As the crew is rushing Odysseus Eurylochus’ sword would’ve been the one to strike him down if Zeus hadn’t killed them first.
- The tune at the very end is called “Telemachus’ Lullaby”, after Odysseus’ son.
- Luke called this Zeus’ tone of voice “the prince”, like he’s putting on a front to mask the monster he is. It lasts until the very end when Zeus is killing the crew. He lets the growl of Zeus’ true nature come through. You’ll hear it better in God Games.
I didn't know about Telemachus' Lullaby! Is there a separate song or is it just what he labeled that end part?
@ just the end part because, as Odysseus starts to fall deeper into the water, he sees memories of himself, Penelope and Telemachus, then him and Penelope
@@GrayLouJay had mentioned in a snippet on tik Tok that the end piano piece was called that ❤
Canon aside, I would like the narrative and directive choice of Eurylochus not charging while everyone else does and him and Ody just staring at eachother while the rest of everyone is charging before the lighting hits
'[murder] aside Zeus's hair is absolutely top tier' Peter that it's your inner ancient Greek woman. Do not listen to her. Close your heart to her voice 😭🤣
Now that he’s heard it, we NEED Peter to cover this song
YEEES pls
Absolfrackinglutly
Great idea. Go for it, Peter.
Please please please
Casper and Mortius can be Odysseus and Eurylochus, and Jen can be Penelope!
I honestly love how Jay envisioned the voice of Zues having so much more to offer than just “D E E P.”
And Luke puts forth this wonderful blend of depth in his voice but also elegance- and regality. He really sounds like a king.
I love this animatic for how it depicts Zeus as truly a force you don't want to reckon with, and Neal Illustrator does great character design in general, but for the future songs it is fairly important to know that canonically this confrontation took place on their ship, and the ship was destroyed in the blast. Odysseus being adrift in the sea sets up the next time you see him
I like their animatic for a later saga song. (keeping it spoiler free)
@TNJenni42 oh yeah, so many great depictions of characters across their animatic catalogue. I will always recommend Neal for confrontation scenes. But as this was the animatic that got their name thrown in the ring with the other top animators in the fan community, I do think the addendum of how it ends may be called for
Fun Fact: Zeus is one of the only gods that doesn’t have his name vocally said. He doesn’t need an introduction. The thunder and lightning are his intro.
doesn't he have it said in horse and infant? or am I misremembering
@@kasspn4631 No, nowhere in the musical, Zeus is called by his name
His calling card is molesting a cloud, no need for specification after that
@@kasspn4631nope, he is processed by an "eagel" cry and thunder, or as here with thunder in god games ever one else gets called out, but with him he just says me, and thats enough
@@SingingSealRiana Also, in God Games, he is referred as "Father" and "God-king", but yeah, no actual use of his name, just his titles or symbols.
Eeeee the line “a gruesome fate to the Thunder Bringer” right into the chorus like that gives me CHILLS Luke Holt is phenomenal and Jorge’s song writing is incredible
Zeus wasn't being generous by letting hime choose, the point was to expose his true nature. Which was what he was ranting about in the beginning of the song
13:21 i heard another interpretation of this where odysseus’ not saying “don’t make me choose” he’s saying “don’t make me SAY it” as if he is certain of what he’ll pick but doesn’t want to say it out loud.
Yeah, there is no choice and everyone knows it😂
Ody is just a little hypocrit he is ruthless in his heart from the start, je just wants to be seen as better. He does not care as much about his Crews death and having to make the choice verbaly, cause then he cant hide beeing it being out of his hands
I was surprised when "Get in the Water" hit lower than "Thunder Bringer" and i immediately thought "Ooo Peter's gonna have fun with this song!" lol
Thank you for the nerd out session from a fellow vocal nerd! The piano motif at the end is known as Telemachus' Lullaby (to pack even more of a punch in the feels). Congrats on "Styx" and can't wait to hear your take on the big guy, too!
I am always impressed by the vocals, but also by how Zeus's character is both amazingly powerful and authoritative, but also amazingly sleazy... because it fits so very well with his character in mythology!
He is soooo gross and creepy, and weirdly compelling, like this is the best portrayl of the character I ever came across, that showes both that he is worse then just a manace but also, charming enough to get why people fall for him despite knowing better
@@SingingSealRiana Yeah, I get seriously 'lawful evil' vibes from him. Creepy, knowing no one can call him on it, and happy to make sure all the laws are on his side.
Worth noting that in canon, this happened on the ship and the ship was destroyed. Causing him to be lost at sea.
I know it's been mentioned, but just in case you haven't seen it by now, if you remember from the last song, the crew had already rushed out to sea, trying to put enough space between them and the sun gods island, so Zeus actually caught them while they were in the middle of the ocean. So when Zeus struck everyone but Odysseus down, he actually destroyed his ship as well, sending Ody into the water, slowly losing consciousness. I would recommend checking out versions by duvetbox or theearteest on your own.
Dude, I am pumped! I've been waiting for you to get to Thunder Bringer since I first heard it! Let's go!!!
What’s that? A Peter Barber cover? Yes please.
Yeah, the only real problem I have with this specific animatic is that it ends on land. If you remember the end of the last song, it makes it clear they are back on the ship and trying to row away as fast as they can. So, by the end of Thunderbringer... Ody does not even have a ship. Zeus blasted the whole thing apart, leaving only Odysseus alive. He's now adrift in the sea, possibly drowning, no ship, no crew 😄 I really love this animatic and Neal's style in general, but the choice to leave the crew on land still, may confuse people who aren't yet familiar with the storyline.
Neal at least made up for it with their God Games animatic heho
I think it was a logistical choice. The Thunder Bringer animation took like a week to slam out out and waves may have killed Neal after watching Ruthlessness lol
@@thingmate7361 Haha, I get the feeling that they are a perfectionist, of course they wouldn't be happy with half-assed waves, no, they need to make a fully animated ocean xD
Glad you picked " Neal illustrator" version of Thunder Bringer
Peter can we please get a Master Class where you just teach us about Music and Vocal techniques and ranges and Music Theory and everything?!?!? I know very very very little about the technical side of music but when you explain everything, it makes sense to me and I appreciate you so much for that because I am wanting/ trying to get more into singing and bettering my voice.
So glad to hear that :) I try to make these videos like a music lesson with some entertainment added in
Keep in mind that this in big parts Eury's fault. In the song, "Luck runs out." Ody took Eury aside and was like, "You HAVE to trust me and stop questioning me." and then Eury Opened the wind bag when they were in sight of Ithaca, because he thought Ody was hiding treasure. Not the storm that they sang about just before Luck Runs Out. This lead to Ody's mom performing an early self termination and they getting delivered right into Poseidon's hands where he killed so much of the crew. While Ody isn't with out mistake, he made plenty. Almost all of it is due to Eury's lack of trust in Ody from the beginning.
Note on Neal's: They took liberties by putting the crew on the beach. In the story they were at sea and the ship was destroyed where Ody was left afloat in the ocean alone with the wreckage.
I was about to post something similar although I would also add that. This specific scenario in this song is also Eurys fault. He and the crew mutinied and Eury proceeded to lead the crew directly to killing the Sun gods cows which led to Zeus killing the crew. Literally the songs and incidents with the largest body counts (Ruthlessness & Thunderbinger) were due to Eury making terrible decisions and not trusting/listening to Ody.
To be fair, eurylochus was right to question ody, ody felt all attack seeing it as eurolyceus planting seeds of doubt but that was not what he was doing, tue Crew had already doubts ans he as the second brought them up, so ody can sooth those doubts, but ody chose not to.
Odys hybris just got polites and a lot of others killed, as well as cost him his patreon and making all of them a godly nemesis . . .ody is messing up and eurolychus is worries about him.
Eurolychus messed up with the wind bag and cows, but neither of those things would have even happened, if ody had not messed up with Athena and polyphemus beforhand!!! Odys unwillingness to engage with his crew is what costs him their loyality.
@SingingSealRiana How did Ody get Polites killed? Ody did everything he could have to get everyone out of that cave. But the Cyclops chose aggression instead of the Peace that Ody offered. Odys ONLY mistake in that whole Cyclopes situation was revealing his name to the Cyclops in a fit of anger after Athena struck a low blow by bringing up Polites death immediately after it happened not understanding that it would evoke some raw emotions out of Ody causing him to make the mistake in question.
@SingingSealRiana All three of the trio made major mistakes that led to the deaths of the 600. Polites started the chain by insisting that they listen to the lotus eaters who sent the crew to the Cyclops. Ody makes the mistake of revealing his name and home to the Cyclops who gets word to Poseidon who creates the storm Ody successfully barters with the wind goddess to get the storm placed in a bag but of course the Eury has to go and open it right when they get to Ithaca which leads directly to Poseidon killing 557 of Odys men then they make landfall at Cerseis island which Eury gets several of the men turned into pigs and tries abandoning them Ody successfully fixes that situation and then later Ody decides to allow Scylla to eat 6 of his men to allow them safe passage but of course Eury and the crew Mutiny and Eury is placed in charge and immediately follows the Mutiny up with making the same mistake Ody did with the Cyclops which was killing an animal without questioning the why they were there Ody tries talking him out of it but Eury again refuses to listen which leads to himself and the last of the crew getting killed
Ever since we got Zeus’s vocals in the horse and the infant I have been dying to see you react to thunder bringer!!
Same, now we wait for god games
Now I want to hear Peter make a cover of thunderbriger
"Shout out to my fellow 90s babies!"
I feel seen 🥹
Love the thicc guy and great hair appreciation!
So in The Odyssey before killing the cow Eury says something along the lines of: I'd rather risk the wrath of the gods and beg forgiveness than starve to death. Eury knew he was dead as soon as shit happened when he atked that cow.
Edit: That Zeus attack was much more like "Big Bang Attack!" than Kamehameha 😝
Please note: if you don’t watch the live stream for the wisdom saga; it is NOT, I repeat, it is NOT in Odysseus’s point of view for the first three songs. A lot of reactors have mistook the characters and have become confused early on and have to back track. X
I love Neal Animator's style for Epic the Musical.
OKAY this is because I have seen too many reactors not get this. Next saga is called the Wisdom Saga, it starts with ODY’S SON Telemachus, with Legendary, NOT ODY HIMSELF pls don’t get confused pls and ty
Love the reaction as always Pete! Luke has ALOT more power-belting to show off in the future, just you wait!
Question about the Dragon Ball Z reference you made; have you ever seen the fan project "Legend: A Dragon Ball Tale"? It's not really anything related to vocals so it probably wouldn't fit much on here, but it is truly a love letter to Toriyama's creation, and a really fun take on DBZ's lore for an 8 minute animation! Even if it didn't become a video, I recommend it to you and any other DBZ fans in the comments.
Can't wait for the wisdom saga next!
I really want to hear you do a cover of this sing in full operatic voice
I'm honestly so excited about when you'll hear God Games because that just blew people out of the park with how deep Luke went in that song!
And his normal voice sounds so different from Zeus 😂
He didn't actually go any lower though- he just added distortion
Something to keep in mind for the next saga (thought it won't be relevant till the 4th song)
Odysseus's ship is actually destroyed in the canon events of Thunder Bringer. They were already on the water when Zeus shows up. Odysseus is flung unto the water at the end.
Great R&A, as always. The music on these is very nice.
The surprising thing to learn was that Luke Holt is actually naturally a Tenor, but he has a range that goes all the way down into Bass range.
The biggest difference between Ody with Scylla Vs here: scylla the crew didn't know that Ody was planning to sacrifice them(which he then made, unknowingly, eury do) here the entire crew was their to watch their captain knowingly sacrifice all of them
This animatic is my favorite. Zeus being this massive just marble carved creature not even choosing to step down to the level of Odysseus here just showing up like he's scolding a child its just immaculate. Also I love the touch of having them simply not reach the boat like they were in a dead sprint towards the ship during the full speed ahead reprise at the end of mutiny. Also Eurylochus just resigned to his fate while everyone runs past him is such a great cap to his part in the story. Like hes finally understanding that hes been the problem this whole time. From full speed ahead and his "take what we need" perspective getting them in hot water with the cyclops, Not listening with the bag, wanting to run from Circe and the parallel between that and Scylla and finally not listening with the cow. Odysseus didnt sacrifice the crew. Every step of the way Eurylochus's pride, distrust, and cowardice killed them.
Neal is also the only one ive seen that doesnt sorta... for lack of a better word, twinkify Odysseus which is definite preference imo. Its just my favorite animatic by far
so points i like making
1. eury opened the bag causing the chain reaction, this not only is this an un waranted betray of trust mind you not only is he the captian but the king BUT also his brother inlaw (married to ody's sister)
2.he was willing to leave more than 40 men behind on circes island
3. HE was the one who told ody the gods were dangerous. but still killed a cow on an island with nothing but cows and a god statue on it.
1. I mean if you want to look at it like a chain reaction it started with Odysseus not killing Polyphemus and telling him his name, there probably wouldn't be a storm if not for Odysseus and even if there was Poseidon wouldn't have shown up to kill everyone so it would just have taken a bit longer to return (also if Eury didn't open the bag Poseidon probably would just go to Ithaca to take revenge instead). Not saying it wasn't a betrayal of trust just that I don't think you can put the blame for the chain of tragedy on him (you didn't say he's solely responsible but I have seen a lot of other people put the death of the 500 men on him).
2. It's not said in the song but I seriously doubt Eury took 40 out of the 43 men that were left to scout out Circe's island, more likely he took the minority and was willing to leave them behind for the majority that were left, especially since he had no way to know Hermes would turn up to help and doesn't know how to turn pigs back into men.
3. Fair but at that point he had pretty much given up on going home.
@@katherinesanderson8990
1.true however WE know this, but in the perspective of characters the storm could have been natural instead of divine, at that point none of the crew knew any better.
2.. again fair but once more he was more than willing to. ody at the very least wanted to see if something could be done as he stated in mutiny "it was you who left behind no man"
3. even if they gave up on going home ody warned him outright it was the home of the sun god
@@1nn3r3V1L Fair points. I absolutely don't want to insinuate that Eury did nothing wrong or always acted reasonably and I don't really want to play the blame game, I love the way the tragedy occurs bc of how the characters' flaws play off each other and that's why it could never end any other way. I'm just tired of some people using Eury's flaws to excuse or lessen Ody's.
@@katherinesanderson8990 agreed ody could have avoided the whole thing had he either killed the cyclops (as athena said) or left it alone with out giving his. granted the purpose of giving it was to instill fear and the thought that it could have been worse (atleast in epic i don't remember why he did in the source) . i also want to believe that athena some what instigated this. which is really why i love we'll be fine because it shows the growth in her character that she realized she did make a mistake.
Oh my god ! No wonder you re my favorite reactor of all times ! I AM OBSESSED WITH princess mononoke and ghibli s piano music is just PERFECTIONNNN ! And yes i noticed that the last piano part resembles ghiblis but it s not the only thing , the first part when zeus enters is sooo much like naruto s fight battle music , it gives konoha s vibe so much
That final piece with the piano is apparently called Telemachus’s Lullaby.
Oh, a comment of mine made it into a video😅
This is kinda my favorite song as a perfect characterisation of zeus, then the dark color in his voice even if he sings pretty light and bright cause there always is a hint of threat shining through with his classical training . . . It is just a compleatly different sound then you get outside opera and I am very partial to opera. I learned from listening to opera, making this my favorite to sing too, even if I of cause have to sing it higher, this compliments overall my voice best.
He has such a nice playfulness in this whole thing I can not pull of, switching between very different styles . . . I am throughfully charmed by this, even though I fucking hate zeus, and he is an absolute monster. The soft delivery is such a deceptive bitchmove . . . He delights in torturing ody here, while presenting himself as the good guy but . . . Zeus is such an ahole but luke interprets the whole thing so skillfully and charming . . .
Wo yeah, I waited for you as someone with an opera background to analyse the preformance as an unique perspective
I have been waiting for you get here and listen to "Telemachus' Lullaby" since the saga dropped. (And you didn't even break it down, sadly)
I need to know, the way it ends makes it sound different from the other saga endings, more hopeful.
What is happening there? Do they resolve the chord when they haven't previously? Is it the chords used that are more for hopeful pieces? What is it?
Most of the other sagas end on more of an ominious or abrupt ending, but this was the first one that seemed to end with his sort of emotion and I wanted to know what musically was different?
I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO REACT TO THIS AAAAA
PRINCESS MONONOKE IS THE BEST!!! ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Believe it or not, Luke Holt is actually more of a Tenor (according to casper fox who knows jim personally quite well), he just has great control of his lower range so he is able to pull off this Bass-Baritone part. If you listen to his speaking voice its actually quite light and nothing like what you hear in this song
Yeah, man has range but he’s apparently a tenor.
Zeus: "Choose. You or your crew"
Ody: "There are other ways of persuasion. There are other modes of control"
I would love to hear a cover of this song PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I read a version of this in highschool. I forgot some of the events but overall had the idea that Odysseus was a hero. Through listening to this I've also been looking up the source material to see how close it is. As an adult I'm looking at events very differently.
Remember first that Odysseus tried to pay insane to get out of going to war in the first place. He thought Helen wasn't worth the effort. So he's got one goal over all the years: get home. But even so some of the choices he makes show weakness of character. His pride with the cyclops is the root of most of their problems. After that he chooses the least of two bad decisions, but that does include sacrificing six of his men. So we are this idea that he's not a great man of virtue, he's "just a man".
With the specifics of this choice, he warned his men. He told them what would happen. They ignored him. For him to fall on his sword for them after that is silly. I think he made the right call.
Ultimately i feel like the Odyssey is (as a product of its time) a cautionary tale to know your place and follow the teachings of the gods. A warning to the people to keep the status quo and do what authority figures tell them is best.
not a 90's kid was born in 00's but toonami dragonball z is still what got me into anime toonami was the show of a generation
BTW, loved your reaction, loved your Zombie cover with Tegan (woukd love to hear a cover from the two doing something a bit more open and classical-ish like "The Prayer"), cant wait for your reaction to Wisdom Saga with her. She really is brilliant.
YAY I’ve been WAITING for THiS!!🎉❤😅
Sounds like you need to cover this ❤❤
Haha toonami. Man that was a blast from the past. Used to stay up late to watch it.
EEEEE IM SOE XCITED TO LISTEN TO YOUR REACITON!!! *wiggles excitedly* Edit: It's always amazing listening to you nerd out about music composition and vocal techniques. Makes the videos you make very fun and interesting. Along with hearing amazing music, we get to LEARN too?! Yes please.
The first lyrics are lighting Wheeled her and thunder bring her
And then afterwards it is lightning Wielder thunder bringer It's a play on words on how zeus's is a skumbag
''Thunder bring her
Through the wringer
Show her I'm the judgement call
The one who makes her kingdom fall
Lighting wield her (- not wheeled her)
Use and yield her!
Show her what she can't conceal
for true nature will be revealed''
''Thunder bringer
here to ring your
ears until you're deaf with fear
and spear you while your death is near
Lighting wielder
here to yield your
time for you have passed your prime
sublime you for your act of crime''
@darkwolf9536 Yeah what he said
Ohhh yeaaaahhh i can so see this work as a Broadway play....i just hope for first run Jorge includes them original vocalusts brothers and sisters in arms. Wanna see Luke do Thunderbringer as much i wanna see Hermes on stage
ahhhh i cant wait till you react to god games and hear what else Zeus does with his voice
Luke sings, his sound is straight, but I no longer am. It's that simple.
😂😂😂
I fucking hate Zeus and I am aro ace but I sure have an unhealthy obcession with lukes interpretation of the character . . . Like damned, that voice plain melts me, eben though the character gives me the creeps.
I sure get now, first time in my life, how Zeus managed to charm so many partners despite everyone knowing what an abysmal choice of partner he is . . . .
my vocal range is probably somewhere in alto or whatever the term above baritone is haven't done music theory in over a decade so i'm forgetting the order for male vocalists. but i have greater comfort and control in and around luke's baritone range than the higher registers. can still get up a bit higher but his range is my comfort zone. so singing his songs/verses are not as hard as someone like jay's highs and thanks to panic at the disco/brenden urie's song saturday night/say amen i learned i top at around b3 or b4 if i remember the notes right because i can't even screech at that note.
So….are we gonna tell him that Luke is actually a tenor? 😬😅
Great reaction!
You're gonna lose your mind near the end of God Games (the ending song of the next Saga).
Also hell yeah Toonami was peak cartoon block time.
Is there a possibility for a cover of this?
Hope you do the Neal God Games video!?
YEAH !!!!!
Imo nealls ver of Zues is tbh perfect
I did enjoy it very much. I hope you do a cover!
The thunder ball is less kamehameha and more genki dama (spirit bomb)
Lets goooo🗣️
Oh i cant wait for you to react to zeus' later part
Very fun analysis. Super saiyan 3 zeus!!!
In cannon from the live stream so jorge cannon they are on the ship as well so not just the crew but he loses his ship as well
The real surprise is when you learn Luke is actually a tenor not a bass
. . . What?! He is a Bariton , a bad would be way lower and a tenor way way higher
@@SingingSealRianaCasper Fox (who knows him personally) has said he’s a tenor.
@@SingingSealRiana in a twitch stream with him and Casper he specifically stated he is more of a tenor. He has good lower range, but considers himself a tenor, and when you hear him speak you can tell he has a naturally higher voice
If he's a tenor he's not a very good one. A proper tenor should have far higher than an A4.
Seems more likely to me he's just incorrect about his voice type, same as Geoff Castellucci insisting he's a baritone
The like ONE time you wasn't looking at shit auto-generated captions and you turned them off XD
Just a note since this animatic is very innacurate to what is canon. This song takes place on the ship, and in the end his entire crew drowns and ody appears to be drowning with them in the canon animatic.
HI!!!
I don't think it's generous of Zeus at all. 1) the crew is the one the make the mistake in the first place. They're a group of starving sailors who found a food source, the gods just happened to value the cows over these *people*. 2)Zeus is even further removed from this situation was than Poseidon is from the cyclops. I originally thought the sun god was Apollo here, but it's Helios, the Titan that Zeus hates. Now I'm sure there is an agreement to keep the peace between the gods and titans, but it almost seems like Zeus is just Giddy for the chance to fuck with some mortals. Not that he has an issue doing that in the first place in way more than one way but he's clearly reveling in this. He wants Ody to suffer. 3)He already know what Ody will pick. In Just a Man he says it flat out, I would trade the world for my son and wife. He just wants to hear Ody say it in front of the crew. To drive him to the lowest point. 4)he's directly manipulating him by drawing out a vision of Penelope in those yellowish/gold image. The very thing Ody wants to get home to. Throughout the song he sings of pride and how it's his to control. Like he can just toy with these mortals as his playthings, which does sum up how Zeus views mortals pretty well
You read far too deeply into my off-handed comment mate. Obviously there's nothing generous about the situation, but thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
@@PeterBarberoh 100%, my bad if it came across as more aggressive than I meant haha. I just find Jorge's portrayal of the big guy very fascinating as an antagonist and overall portrayal of Zeus captures elements from other myths in small details too
@@Vegetafan1997 I genuinely appreciate your insight!
. . . .it is not generous not because the Crew made the error, as their captain ody is responsible for their deeds afterall . . . . But the fact that the sympathertic deceptivly soft tone is a cat playing with a mouse. Zeus is not angry or invested for justice, HE is invested in showing of his power.
Forcing ody to condemn his Crew is way cruler then just killing them, his goal here is breaking him, just as with the infant, he delights in calling out odys hypocricy and forcing him to face what an, in his core selfish man he is.
If ody was as good of a man as he pretend to be and gets his grew killed for so far, je would have chosen the crew to live, but as everyone knew, of cause he would not chose them, je just liked thinking he would so instead of just grilling them, Zeus forces him to condront that while ironiously portraying himself ad benevolent too. Difference is, Zeus uses deception towords others, ody is trying to kid himself.
As Zeus sings himself, he is there to undress odys pride, später his self image
@@Vegetafan1997their Zeus is so multidymensional and captivating, containing all the complex traits of the original in a package with a lot of skill and charm to sell it . . . Between jays writing and likes interpretation this is a rare masterwork
Eurylochus was also Odysseus' brother in law (edited)
Wth! Thats not true ! Wdym
@@Felix0802 he's called "brother in law"...
Yes, in the Odyssey, Eurylochus is Odysseus’s brother-in-law, but not quite in that way. Eurylochus is married to Odysseus’s sister, Ctimene-he’s not Penelope’s brother.
@@lea.k.b ah so ot's the other way around... yep, sounds doable xD
@@ShirokamiHichino yup!