I have never heard anyone say "Gay is the new Black." Also, if in the movie you'll say bigot but you won't say the N-word, then no. They are not equivalent words. Nor have they ever been.
@@gearscore349Okay, but that brings up the question of if they think God not only has a sexuality, but that it's being straight. Because, I mean, /how/? Who is God into? How did they even find this out? I went through so many years of catechism and God having a massive crush was never even once addressed; is this information only available to a handful of churches or something?
You could argue that God predates gayness, but Christianity does not. Christianity is tied to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (hence the name), and there are thousands of years of biblical history before that, during which there was definitely at least one gay person.
And don't forget "and I"m so terribly persecuted because people don't treat my religious feelings as absolute truth that everyone has to just shut up and agree with."
@@chaoticdetectivepeach Let's not forget "I call it parenting, not abuse, because my children are my property and not their own people deserving of respect"
If you're friends with a gay man, and he's out of the closet to you, how would you not be aware of 1. Marriage equality and the backlash to it, and 2. How your gay friend might think your opposition to him having the same legal rights as you, is insulting and offensive?
Also who gets doxxed as a result of signing a petition? Yes, the names are often technically public, but it didn't seem like Ted was important enough in his community for anyone to care about his name randomly coming up in an unspecified "homophobia" context? Like even if someone thought it would be based to publicize all the names of the people who signed the petition, that's not how it's reported in the gay newspaper they mention? It doesn't specify what he did that was homophobic; his gay friend has to ask him what he did? So where did the newspaper even get Ted's name? Why aren't a whole bunch of other people in town who signed the petition also experiencing the same consequences as Ted? Like, is Ted special in town in a way that Willie didn't specify but the movie does? If not, then I know this sounds weird, but it's like Ted has Main Character Syndrome that the universe he lives in proceeds to validate. Who gives a fuck what Ted as a single individual thinks (other than his gay friend)? Ted's beliefs only matter if he does something like vote for lawmakers who are going to try to restrict LGBT+ people's legal rights or anti-discrimination protections, or participate in some kind of civil disobedience action to try to change the law, like signing a petition... Oh, wait.
@@wolfofthewest8019 marriage is a legal contract for two adults to live together, take care of each other and inherit each other if something happens. Regardless of which religion or non-religious tradition you look at, that's usually it.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Marriage as long as we're using that term gets its roots from Roman secular law, not christian religious tradition. The fact your religion used a legal term which was the closest translation doesn't make it yours. If you have an issue sharing a secular legal term than you are free to create an actual religious one. But Jesus was clear on this render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. This is Caesar's. Wild guess, you think the only purpose of marriage is for popping out babies which is kinda sad. But legally and culturally that's not what marriage is. That's why it was never required for people to have fertility tests before marrying and that marriages weren't annulled by lack of children. Straight people aren't the only people who can love and want to devote themselves to their relationship, hell from the way I hear straight people talk about their spouses versus gay people I'm not even sure y'all do the love part. But by all means lecturing on how to do marriage properly.
I have known people to be exactly like Ted. When gay marriage was legalized, one of my old high school teachers posted on Facebook about how it was a sad day for America. SHE WAS LITERALLY AT HER GAY FRIEND'S WEDDING! Bigots be bigotin'.
Oh they love _their_ gay friend. But all those other gays are different and terrible and how dare they think they could ever do something normal without their approval? /sarcasm
@@Nortarachanges Her friend was super hurt and called her out which lead to a big public debate between my friend, her friend, and her. I was asleep so I missed the drama. It did feel super weird when she said hey to me at the store the other day. This all went down years ago so maybe I'm the only one still thinking about it.
I had a similar experience with an artist I used to follow on Deviantart. He was kind of overly dramatic already, but the day gay marriage was legalized, he posted a three page journal lamenting about what a dark day it was and how far America had fallen. Hitting the unfollow button never felt like such a relief.
@@ChaoticWriterRisingI seriously doubt youre the only one who thinks about it, im sure the gay friend thinks about it, maybe not a lot but im sure they mention it every now and again
I saw a meme literally earlier today that said soemthing along the lines of "if cis is a slur, how come I haven't heard 8 year olds shouting it into their Fortnight mics?" and I think that's a pretty good bar for judging what is and isn't a slur lol just update Fortnight with whatever game the kids are playing and apply as needed. All that to say, I haven't heard any kids shouting bigot as a slur in any of their video games, so I think it's a safe word lol
Deleted in protest of Willie's censorship. I'm not letting you chuckleheads circlejerk and like each other's crappy rebuttals to my argument when all my responses get deleted. Queer fascists can't handle open debate. It's disgusting and shows how pathetic you creeps really are.
@@wolfofthewest8019 1. I think the joke went right over your head. 2. Cis is not a slur. It's a descriptive term borrowed from mathematics to acknowledge someone's gender expression being tied to what they were assigned at birth rather than transitioning. That's it. If you're bothered by being reminded of the fact you're living and presenting as the gender someone else decided for you, then you might want to explore why that bothers you. I'm not suggesting that you might be trans yourself. I'm just saying that the word and what it's trying to convey shouldn't hurt you or cause you distress. So if it does, it's worth getting to the bottom of that. 3. You brought up the "g" slur and tried to clear yourself of any backlash by clarifying that you're Italian-American, and therefore "allowed" to say it. So you acknowledge that actual slurs carry a certain cost and require inclusion within the target group in order to avoid that cost. Cis doesn't carry that cost, nor should it. Mothers don't cover their children's ears and people don't tense up or become angry when the word is uttered. Cause it's not a slur. Also, if you think kids don't know or use less common slurs like the one you mentioned, you're seriously underestimating how dedicated kids are to becoming the most hurtful little shit bags they can be. Middle schoolers will teach you new ways to hate yourself.
@@wolfofthewest8019 “Cis” isn’t used pejoratively; it’s not a slur. This is rhetoric second garbage take I’ve seen from you. Hopefully, there aren’t more.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Dude. I'm a cishet man, and you are just very misinformed. LGBT people don't look down on people for not being LGBT, nor is being LGBT "cool." And they didn't come with the term "cishet." We did, as a quick way say we're both straight and cisgender. It's just a contraction of cisgender and heterosexual. I'm sure some people have used it while being mean to cishet people. But there are also people who say "Black" while being mean to Black people. That doesn't make "Black" a slur. What likely has happened is that you get your information about LGBT people from other people, people with an agenda. They will quote the rare examples and make them very common. And they will quote things without context. Heck, sometimes they even make shit up. Don't be a sheep. Don't fall for what someone's enemy says about them. Get to know the real person. And don't be a jerk to them. Be kind to LGBT people, and you will find that they're just people, like you and me.
If we can get over how the Bible feels about slavery (it endorses slavery many times), then we can get over the couple of times it mentions homosexuality…
Oh right these days they argue "God doesn't agree with it but he couldn't just tell them to stop it so he gave them rules to do it better." like... okay then.
Absolutely nowhere in the bible is slavery endorsed. There are passages in which the mistreatment of slaves is condemned, but that is not an endorsement of slavery itself.
@@shadenox8164 God certainly could have told the Israelites to stop it, but then they would have simply turned their back on God. The Israelities were not like...good people. They were pagans of their day, and like all pagans they believed that *might makes right* and could not conceive of a deity that was kind, just, or merciful. They could only understand a God that smote his enemies, forced them to bow down to him, and ruled over them with an iron fist. That's why God had to give them all kinds of restrictive laws and rituals and was constantly punishing them by letting them get invaded and taken into slavery themselves. Humans are not naturally good and kind to each other. It took thousands of years of moral lessons from God before humans had figured out the first thing about actually being moral and we're ready to accept the revelation of Christ.
It mentions homosexuality (obliquely, in terms of the penetrative sex itself, between two men) in literally the same parts of the Bible where it mentions how you're not supposed to eat shrimp or wear two different fibers. (Two things that many conservative, homophobic Christians definitely do, which no one seems to care about.)
The 'funniest' part of this whole movie is that they somehow seem to think that A. There are enough LGBTQ people and allies to give every bigot their dedicated protest group B. Those groups wouldnt have anything better to do than to protest individual, private citizens I mean, im aware that the filmmakers themselves are most likely grifting and dont believe that themselves, but plenty of the viewers do im sure
I mean I wish there were enough of us to protest each individual bigot, then we could just out vote them and put ourselves in power and give people rights in spite of them
I'm probably wrong, but is this the first time he talked about his sexual orientation on his channel?! I may be trippin, but I want to acknowledge it if so! I feel like I've never actually heard him verbalize, only vibe. (oh and please chime in if you read this and want to Willie! I don't mean to be commenting on your channel like you're not real:)
@@Shell_Herbshe has a longtime partner named Matt :) but yeah i don’t remember if he’s spoken about him on this channel, but he mentions him a decent amount when on like Drawfee streams and episodes he’s guested on. Willie’s also made jokes about being very super definitely straight and “slaying so much puss” 😂
I like when the story was brought up about how awful it was that when slavery was outlawed white people just resorted to falsely charging black people with crimes to force them into prison labor, I would've assumed that Ted, being deeply affected by the story, might realize that the prison system still works a lot like this and maybe he would petition about that instead. But actually he just heard that story, as well as the story about not even being able to sit next to a white person, and thought "Man....this is exactly like what I'm going through"
The 'but it's in the Christian bible' thing never flew with me, if only because the law of the land already recognizes marriages performed outside of the Christian faith. Like if these people truly believed that a marriage AS OUTLINED IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE was the only 'real' kind of marriage, then it follows that they don't believe in the licencing of Jewish, Muslim or Hindu marriages either, to say nothing of civil ceremonies. The entire argument was made in bad faith (pun intended) from the start, because marriage as it exists - and as it has historically existed - is a secular legal arrangement.
Jewish, Muslim and Hindu marriages are indistinguishable from Christian marriages unless they engage in polygamy, which the state will not license and, in fact, outlaws. A Christian marriage is defined as a monogamous relationship between a man and a woman for the purposes of creating a family through sexual reproduction. A marriage does not have to be performed in a Christian church to be a Christian marriage. Ultimately, marriage is a promise that a man makes to a woman to make her into a mother and support her children. Whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or even secular, this is what marriage has always meant. It's even embedded in the word "matrimony" -- literally "mother rite." That's why gay marriage is absurd. A man cannot promise to make another man a mother and provide for his children. It's literally impossible, gay people can't have sex! They can only engage in sodomy. So gay marriage is just a property sharing agreement, which is not what marriage is about. That's your secular legal arrangement, masquerading as marriage.
Bingo. If Christians want to declare marriage is a Christian “thing,” then they need to refrain from filing their marriage with the government. They can keep it in their church and forego the governmental privileges, benefits, and protections issued to legally recognized married couples.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Honey, anal is sex. You're just being silly. It's actually pretty sad you want to make an expression of commitment be solely about having kids, as if there's no meaning in promising to share your life with someone else if they can't produce kids. If you got married and found out your partner was sterile/barren would you divorce them? If not why not? and if you would than that really shows how shallow your promise was in the first place. Also again dear, marriage is a secular term in origin, it's literally from Roman secular law and was used to decide which family a woman belonged to for the purposes of inheritance. Yes they would then have children, but it was an agreement regarding property first and foremost. Thankfully we've moved on from those days and its now an expression of devotion between individuals, not an agreement between the groom and the bride's father about inheritance. Get a hobby dude, you spend more time thinking about how gay sex works than I do.
@@shadenox8164 "Honey, anal is sex. You're just being silly." "Anal" is not sex. That's sodomy. Sex refers to the sex act, i.e. sexual reproduction. If it can't result in sexual reproduction it is not sex. The anus is not a sex organ, and sodomy cannot result in reproduction. It is *sterile.* That you are confused about this only shows how much the normalization of homosexuality has damaged the culture. For example, it is entirely reasonable for a husband to expect his wife to have (consensual) sex with him, but it is not reasonable for him to expect her to suffer the humiliation of being sodomized. But if "anal" is sex, then it should be reasonable for him to expect this. And, disturbingly, it is becoming more and more common for young men to think there is nothing improper about expecting young women to accept acts of sodomy. Because it's "just sex," right? "It's actually pretty sad you want to make an expression of commitment be solely about having kids, as if there's no meaning in promising to share your life with someone else if they can't produce kids." Specious strawman. Marriage is an expression of commitment to having children and creating a family. That does not preclude the possibility of other expressions of commitment. Those expressions simply aren't marriage. "Also again dear," Your constant need to be condescending speaks to a deep insecurity and a bit of self-righteous arrogance. "marriage is a secular term in origin, it's literally from Roman secular law. Yes they would then have children, but it was an agreement regarding property first and foremost." Some of the basics of the institution were taken from the Romans, that is true. They took it from the Greeks, who gave us the word matrimony, which again means "mother rite." Because marriage has always been about creating families and producing children, right up to the sexual revolution, at which point marriage became a loosey goosey kind of vibe, man. It means what you want it to mean, man. Do your own thing. You want to have an open marriage? Cool. You want to marry two other people at the same time? Party on, my thruple. Marriage now means nothing. Yay! You've rendered the institution completely pointless symbolism. And your reward is....population collapse! Woo hoo! You did it! You killed Western civilization! "Get a hobby dude, you spend more time thinking about how gay sex works than I do." Ah, here come the shaming tactics. When you are really insecure about your argument, attempt to intimidate your opponent into retreating by impugning that they're doing something wrong by not mindlessly submitting to your position. I am unimpressed.
"Christianity came before gays" Epos on Gilgamesh's the oldest translated writing be like: oh my what a bunch of two homies wrestling naked together upon first meeting. Chopping down trees and monsters together until one of them dies and other become so depressed he starts to search for immortality... what a bud
its also funny if you look deeper in the bible itself and there are queer interpretations that they'll write off as "oh they're just close friends, love in this context is totally platonic" christians dont want you to know jesus' ancestor was possibly a closet bisexual or that the first convert was a sexual minority (not clickbait)
@@Jacob-kx8goof course a slur doesn't become less bad bc bigots readily say it. but if that same person said the n-word is just another word, like f*ggot, and he should be free to say it, the fact he still won't does suggest he doesn't believe his own argument. He oughta say neither, but he clearly feels that n*gge* is still worse
@@Jacob-kx8go exactly, idk if it was the john mulaney thing mentioned but ik someone who said "is the n-word or f/gg/t worse?" "well you said one but not the other" and its like no they BOTH are bad 😭
I know I've commented something similar on similar video somewhere else on the world wide web, but the phrase 'one of the city's gay newspapers' has hilarious implications about vibrant life of this small town's queer printing industry
@@emjakos3548 I saw someone recontextualize tolerance as a sort of social contract. Once you break the rules of the contract, you are no longer protected by it, which allows people to not tolerate intolerance. I think it's a pretty good explanation.
"It's a lot harder to turn on an entire group of people, once you give that group of people a face." Seriously. As soon as you started talking about the protagonist's gay bestie, I--a middle-aged bi person, who got married before equality was the law of the land--kept thinking about the multiple times in my life that, to my absolute shock, my personally coming out to someone has seemingly turned their entire view of the queer community on a dime. Like, because I kinda fly under the radar there have been a number of conservative people in my life who've known me for some time before finding out I was queer, and I've seen it completely change the way they talk and think about ALL of us. (You could say it's just in front of me, but I don't think so. They don't slip.) If this guy was really hanging out with this gay man all the time, having heart-to-hearts with him, I don't think he'd be able to deny his humanity so easily as he seems to.
Totally agree. In grade 10/11 I used to be a total bigot, fully conservative. My then acquaintance, now best friend, came out as trans. It really put things in perspective. I remember thinking, “am I really going to be an asshole to this person over something they can’t control?” I did a full 180 in the span of a few months. Later came out as Bi too lol
I would love to play the part of Ted's wife, but only if it's an adult movie. You know, the kind where the barista foams the milk and the wife closely inspects the frothing device in her husband's possession as they are seated on a big sofa. See, I practically wrote it for them!
It does exist. You have to pay $39.99 from your cable provider, but you get it for 24 hours. Bigot and The Barrista, you should check it out , it's quality.
Ya know what's even more infuriating about the black elder woman's comment? THAT'S STILL A THING THAT HAPPENS PRESENT DAY. Prison labor is still used for free by lots of companies who just rent them from prisons without paying the workers. What places? Walmart is one of the first examples that always comes up. It's so infuriating to know that they used this argument to validate homophobia.
This movie should have been about Miss Dorothy grappling with her learned bigotry and slowly realising she's on the wrong side of history, and how deeply uncomfortable that would be for someone who survived Jim Crow laws. It can end with a brigade of butches visiting her home, fixing up all the DIY jobs her pastor son ignores when he visits, drinking lemonade with her and telling her about the black women at Stonewall.
I feel like this whole movie’s plot could have been avoided if the dad had actually spent two seconds reading what he was signing his name to, because it most certainly was not limited to “I believe in traditional marriage and absolutely nothing more will come of this.” Because most situations of “pro” or “anti” anything usually include action against the other side. Like the moral of the story is “read the fine print.”
@@WillieMuse2 Okay, but "Personalized T-shirts are Not Really an Impulse Buy" would be a GREAT shirt... So would "So... I'm not a business man...BUT..."
the 'paradox' of tolerance (that we have to be intolerant of intolerance) is so stupid because the person who is intolerant (against gay marriage for example) is the one who broke the agreement first. if we all agree to tolerate each other, but then you stop tolerating me, i'm not the guilty party for ceasing to tolerate you back. i can't believe that we as americans continue to entertain this 'paradox'.... it's almost like a lot of people have a vested interest in maintaining intolerance of certain groups or something idk
Thank you. I swear people bring up that tolerance bs all the time. Tolerating intolerance is basically like those extreme bullying scenarios you see all the time. Where its only when the person who has to worry every day about getting attacked or harassed reaches their breaking point or tries to just talk to someone about it that gets treated like the boogyman. Intolerant people can ban you from a store because of their beliefs but you can't do such a thing to them because of their beliefs.
Excellent allegory with the "get out of the way" thing. I will never understand how some people seem to think their opinions exist in a vacuum, even when they can see first hand the negative impact it has on people they actually know.
Your point at the end is so true!! A big part of maintaining bigotries is not learning about or interacting with the target group. I'm a trans guy from a small conservative town, its rough out here. But the person i've received the most support from wasnt my family or my friends from before I came out. It was someone I had just met who would later become a great friend, a conservative evangelical guy. Before we became friends he hated trans people, this year he asked me if he could come along to pride as an ally. People will surprise you, and no one is incapable of change
I used to be extremely pro-LGBT. That was back when I didn't actually know any LGBT people, had never really interacted with LGBT people, and didn't know anything about what was happening in the LGBT community (except that people were dying of AIDS, which seemed unfair). I also use to think Christianity must be wrong, because how could God hate gay people? That was in the 90s. Now, 30 years on, I have known dozens of gay people, I have learned a lot about the gay community, I have seen the rise of transgender ideology, the queering of Western culture, the disease, degradation and perversion, the rising indecency, the imposition of gay male sexuality onto women via media like Sex in the City and fashion magazines, an explosion in the phenomenon of gray rape, trans sex addicts bragging about going to three sex parties in a night, fetishes being pushed onto younger and younger children, and so much more. And now? Now I totally get why God hates gay people. Makes perfect sense to me. I really should have seen it sooner. I grew up in Seattle, which has a gay ghetto called Capitol Hill. Back in the 90s, when I was in high school, I used to spend a lot of time on Capitol Hill because it had the best music stores and I was way into obscure punk bands. Every time I would go shopping for music, I would get cruised by gay dudes. These were guys into the 20s and 30s, and I was like 14, 15. I would politely brush them off and try to feel flattered. Eventually it stopped...when I turned 17 and grew facial hair. Suddenly I looked like an adult, and all the gay men stopped trying to pick me up for sex. I really should have seen it then. Just took me a few more decades to see people who dedicate their lives to perverse sex acts are, in general, not good people. TikTok has helped a lot though, made it very clear that the vast, vast majority of LGBT and especially trans people are mentally deranged freaks, losers, and social outcasts who really do belong on the fringes of society where their sickness and mental disease can be safely quarantined.
@@Doodleandcompany Naturally, people who are insecure about their ability to use reason and make effective arguments always love censorship. It's the last defense of the deeply stupid and dishonest.
Meanwhile, the local screen-printing shop in my California town has a full paragraph screed about how Donald Trump was sent by god to save America handpainted on the window.
The idea that a business can lose so many clients for the owner being homophobic is ridiculous. People can't even consistently boycott chic-fil-a for god's sake
Any time I see these religious homophobic movies I just think of this one time in high school when I was sitting in the hall and overheard some girl who was very overtly Christian talking to her friend and she literally said “I don’t want gay people to get married just ‘cause, like, I don’t want them to have what I have. Y’know?” Which like, I guess props for actually admitting that instead of making up excuses, but still… Make it make sense.
If they're just going to say the quiet part out loud, then it does make sense. They don't want 'teh gayz' getting married because they don't want them being equal to the straights. It's an easy thing to think when you assume a group is lesser than you.
WILLIEEEEE!!!!!!! i'm so happy, i've been having a shitty life for a while now. and what i need is someone to distract me by knitting, talking about a movie i will never watch from a religion i left behind years ago.
So the movie is saying that bigot is the same as word that the movie won't even say. They elude to it with a "you know what word." No, it starts with, it means, anything. Just, Bigot, a word your saying, spraying on your building, saying in front of children is the same... I think the movie is very confused, or it's a satire on what that version of Christianity thinks.
that's always the most telling that they are very aware that there is a big difference, otherwise they either would say the N-Word or not say Bigot. It's the same stupid thing with Karen,when all those Karen's started to complain about it and likened it to the N-Word. Just a bunch of stupid people not liking that something doesn't go their way and feel oppressed by it.
"You don't go after some guy and his family! You don't go after them to hurt them, Vince!" complained the man who signed a petition to go after families and hurt them. Someone wrote that line and didn't actually read it. Though I guess if you don't think that same sex families are real families, you'd also think you're not actually hurting anyone.
Between him having a gay friend but not knowing what gay marriage is about or what "defending traditional marriage" is code for, and him hearing the older lady say "that was my husband, he died 20 years ago" and only responding "Yeah," I think Ted must be a really shitty friend.
@@mekine45, Willie has been joking that he has a “platonic friend, Matt” for so many years. It’s a cute running gag, and Willie just changed the joke ^_^
Movie about a guy upset about the free market. ...also what landlord cares about their tenant going out of business? They'll just get another one. The store front looks like it'd have plenty of people after it.
Of course a landlord can be concerned about losing a tenant. It is a pain in the ass to refurbish your property, get applications, vet them, etc. especially if the tenant was a good one. Paid on time. Doesn't ask you to fix things they did themselves like fix a wall when their kid rode their bike into it, rode their bike inside. Anyway, you usually lose at least one month's rent. Maybe more. It is why we hire a property management company to get our next tenants. Besides losing a month because of vacancy we also lose a month to pay the PM company. Yes, landlords do care about losing tenants. Even if it is money motivated. Small landlords also get more emotionally attached to their tenants. The reason they are leaving can be hard especially if it is because they can't pay anymore. You would love to be able to cut their rent and sometimes you do. Sometimes you keep the rent below market to keep the tenant and help them out.
@@meghanphillips3495 my comment was not about the movie. It was about the OP saying, "what landlord cares about a tenant leaving?" Or something like that. Although even if a tenant doesn't pay on time doesn't mean you don't have empathy for them and as long as they do pay you might let it slide if you like them. For some of us, it takes a lot to finally say you are done with a tenant.
This whole movie could have been avoided if the people behind it understood the paradox of tolerance, yet clearly it was too hard to do a wikipedia search
This reminds me so much of my conservative cousin insisting she has gay friends who dont mind her beliefs and me trying to tell her "Ashley, you dont have gay friends. You have gay coworkers who dont have faith HR will back them if they tell you to go fuck yourself so they have to be polite to not get fired. They refer to you to THEIR friends as 'that bigot I work with'." - the whole thing with his Barista "friend" makes me thing if you showed the story from the Barista's perspective, he'd have never counted the main character as his friend and was only ever polite to him because he was at work.
Hey, I managed to get here on the same day as the upload this time =D EDIT: Every time Ted says "I only signed a petition, it didn't mean anything" I wonder if the people that made this movie understand how petitions and laws work.
I am wondering why Ted’s home and business addresses were published in a paper related to a petition he signed. Isn’t that illegal? That is not the point of signing a petition. I would be really pissed if the information I put on a petition was published in a paper, not because I don’t understand exactly what and why I signed it.
Funnily enough, that used to happen to gay people. There were several papers that ran on outing queer folks by publishing their names so they would be fired and possibly evicted.
I think that thing was the "actual events" the story was based on, actually. I remember my mom complaining about how some anti-gay petitions were purposely shared with the specific people who signed them around 2013 ish It wasn't the PURPOSE of the petition, but when you sign one, you add your name to it. Other people can later go back and see what names are on it in most cases.
45:41 This is a really good point, and it’s true. I was raised evangelical conservative Christian and believed that being gay or trans was wrong. By the time I graduated college I had started to change my beliefs to the point that I did not think it should be legally enforced, and that everyone should have the right to marriage and equality, but still believed it was sinful. It was my trans friend calling me out for this and telling me that I was still homophobic that was an important part of making me reconsider (another important aspect was realizing that I was also queer). It hurt a lot to hear that and to have a friend tell me that she didn’t feel safe around me, but it made me stop and think about what I believed and ultimately was the catalyst for me deconstructing my faith and conservative ideas and leaving them behind. I’m a happier, healthier person because she called me out on my harmful beliefs, and we were able to become closer friends. People can change and having someone close to them tell them why their beliefs are harmful and wrong can be a way for that to happen.
Your reasoning for why people feel like bigot is a slur reminds me of why people have balked at being referred to as "privileged". Until the past decade whenever privilege came up it was usually only in reference to the rich. The majorly privileged. But now we're using it in reference to gender or race. So when you tell a white cis man that he's privileged his mind is more likely to think of like a billionaire. It feels extreme to him because he only understands the term by its extreme examples.
That's intentional and it works both ways. When you call a person "privileged," you are attributing to him power he does not have, which you then use as justification to be cruel to him. It works because privileged has that other meaning.
@@wolfofthewest8019he does have more power systemically then someone marginalized. why are you so in denial of so many things? you admitted to being an “all women are the same” incel and misogynist though so maybe i answered my own question 🤷🏽♀️
@@user-ayiy824jbd If you believe that a poor white man with no college has more systemic power than anyone attending Harvard, you do not actually understand how the world works. I deny things because they are not true. I have never in my life said "all woman are the same." That is obviously untrue, and I don't say things that are obviously untrue.
Non-Christians are under no obligation to believe in the Christian narrative. Divine law only applies to those who assert that Divine Law exists. Of course that all applies to other religions as well. There is a paradox attributed to a tolerant society. It states that a tolerant society is tolerant of everything except intolerance. It's a misnomer that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Many of the key Founding Fathers were Deists whose belief in God is based on reason rather than revelation or the teaching of any specific religion. They were greatly influenced by the Enlightenment Period in France.
To be fair, the main character of Lady Ballers' best friend at the end of the movie confesses that they've spent their entire life feeling uncomfortable in their own body and it wasn't until they pretended to be trans that they ever comfortable. The implication being that they actually are trans. Of course, the movie doesn't acknowledge this. The main character punches them in the nuts and they sent to therapy instead.
@@nuclearseahorse I don't think him being trans was an accident. I think it was a statement about the "right way" to treat trans people. Mind you, I don't think they were explicitly advocating for attacking trans people. Or at least they wouldn't admit it. It was "just a joke". What they would admit to advocating for, probably, was that the "cure" to being trans is be sent to a therapist instead of a doctor. I think that was what Lady Ballers was saying with that bit.
9:22 They have been doing chores for this woman for a while, they know to ask to play with the dog by name, they say 'you know the drill, gotta do your chores before playing with the dog'. But he's like "Oh, today tell me your life story"
I have a lot of people I'm subscribed to that I can't always watch because mental health sucks. But honestly, no matter what topic Willie covers, I never end a video of his feeling anything less than amused and vaguely hopeful. I love the way you look at the world and the quiet strength of your ability to not let bigots and fools crush your spirit
37:50 He does know that slavery is the only reason black people in america are mostly Christian, right? We had our own religions before we were stolen.
This movie and every movie like it are just an hour long example of the paradox of tolerance. The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of intolerance, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
I cringed so hard when the dramatic music was swelling up and supporting the big protagonist speech that hinged on "This country was founded on Christian beliefs!"
This one hits home for me. I am trans, non-binary and ace. I mostly keep to myself socially, but I have been taunted and had to hide who I am a few times due to unsafe company for simply being a few stripes of the rainbow flag. However, the WORST discrimination that I have faced has actually been due to me being disabled. I'm actively fighting for my rights to walk on a small section of public sidewalk, and I will soon be fighting for my rights to not be treated like a literal animal at a business in town. For the most part, when I have brought this sort of thing up to other people, they say "that's terrible!" and do nothing to help. Or, in the case of the business I mentioned, they act exactly like the protagonist in this movie. Its "nothing personal" but they apparently can't do anything to change inhumane way that they treat me. I am already exhausted a lot of the time due to chronic pain. I shouldn't have to fight this hard for any of my basic rights.
I think part of the reason there aren’t a lot of explicitly anti-gay or anti-trans Christian movies is because conservative Christian actors don’t wanna play gay or trans characters out of fear that breaking cishet norms even for make-believe ‘tarnishes’ them. Kevin Sorbo can play an atheist in God’s Not Dead and the conservative Christian audience doesn’t suspect he’s an atheist IRL but if Kevin Sorbo played a queer person in a movie some of the more paranoid ppl in that same audience might suspect it wasn’t all acting.
The whole "What? But I don't hate you, I just want you to have fewer rights than me. We can be pals, right? You're not intolerant are you?" argument has always annoyed me the most. I'm disabled and queer and am so often expected to just sit and smile while people rant about how people like me have too many rights or joke about how people like me are useless or debate whether or not people like me deserve to be alive. And then I'm supposed to just be okay with being their friend at the end of the day or else I'M the problem. I'd rather they just call me a slur at that point because at least then I can just call them an asshole and leave without being jumped by their buddies going "but they'd never hurt a fly! They were just debating! They don't hate you!"
The indigenous folks who lived in the US well before the Europeans came and fucked up their lives weren't Christians. Christians weren't anywhere first.
I've never been to say, Texas in 2013, but this is quite the city that can support *multiple* gay newspapers but is also a quaint bedroom community where a guy can sell t shirts to local churches. I also found the bickering about John Wayne movies hilarious. I'm not saying every gay man eats a regular diet of Golden Age cinema and a regular dude couldn't be a fan of an actor who was sort considered stodgy before he was even born, but I guarantee you it would have been more interesting and rung more true if it was say, Clint Eastwood. regular
Only halfway through but the way theyre saying "gay and lesbian" over and over to make sure that trans people aren't part of the conversation is super interesting. "Gay is okay as long as they don't wanna get married, but don't even get us started on those genderqueers"
If traditional marriage supporters wanted to keep marriage between one man and one woman, they probably could have gotten it if they had just allowed gay couples to have similar rights to marriage. But they chose to weaponize the inability of gays to mary. You want to visit your dying lover? You can’t you aren’t family you aren’t married. You want to make end of life and inheritance decisions? Nope, you aren’t married. Etc. etc etc. They could have had their traditional marriage at the price of giving up oppression. But the oppression was the point. You can’t get angry if you are hurting someone with a weapon and they respond by taking away the weapon.
I am more confused as to why a petition would put in the newspaper a bunch of peoples, full names, Home addresses and business'. Thats basically doxxing
I think my head actually exploded when Ted says his line at 33:38. I was genuinely and completely flabbergasted and gob smacked that the filmmaker had the gall to honest-to-Christ write that line into their movie. Just WOW.
"Ted and his family hold each others' hands and walk off into the sunset. It's supposed to be this uplifting moment that tells the audiences that even though those mean homosexuals took away Ted's livelihood, they didn't take away what really mattered." The thing that really matters being in this case family - aka the exact thing Ted is trying to deny of those mean homosexuals.
The best way to avoid being marginalized is to refuse to be put in the margins. Take up space. Be loud. Be proud. You might not get the bigots to like you, but their children will. Generations long battles against evil take generations to change.
This is top tier advice, honestly. I tick several of those boxes. And I'm just now in a place where I can start unpacking all that shit and figuring out what I actually want my life to look like. More color and sparkles for certain. I also have an on and off need to present as a fairy woodland creature. So.
I randomly found your videos when I went down a weird ANTM rabbit hole and have binged them all since then. I work overnights and spend a lot of the time knitting. It feels like I'm knitting with a friend (not in a weird parasocial way I promise!) Thanks for all of your hard work. I hope one day the algorithm gets it shit together and realizes how great your videos are!
The two most confusing things about this movie is A. The film goes back and forth on whether Ted has a sacred belief or signed the paper on a whim without reading it and B. the film makes it very clear that Ted hasn't paid rent in three months but a two day protest closed his business?
"frankly, it works a lot like a petition" is such a fucking mic drop Edit: Yeah, honestly, I really think this was one of your best videos I've seen lately! (And that's saying something, since all your vids are solid.) The ending was really strong, heartfelt, and well-argued.
Philosophy tube talked about how conservative philosophy preaches the idea of just making shit up to fit the conservative narrative and then stand by it ten toes down. Like the stuff they talk about isn't even rooted in actual reality and they know it. It's actually incredible watching itbin real time.
The fact that the father starts flipping out about how you shouldn't come after a mans family over what he did when him trying to take marriage away from gay people is exactly that, and they didn't even realize it, tickles me.
I have never heard anyone say "Gay is the new Black." Also, if in the movie you'll say bigot but you won't say the N-word, then no. They are not equivalent words. Nor have they ever been.
“When comparing the badness of two words and you won’t even say one of them, that’s the worse word.”
-Comedian John Mulaney
I dare any one say gay is the new black in the Caribbean or Africa. That would be interesting to see.
@@IGuessItsSketchyT so true. We get death threats and ✨so much more ✨ just for supporting gay rights v
The ol’ John Mulaney test!
My dad says that about trans people, but it's because he doesn't like them.
I cackled when the bigot said Christianity was older than being gay.
As if a dude traveling around with 12 other dudes not letting "the MAN" or "the RELIGION" tell them what to do isn't super gay...
I mean, in Christian stories, technically yes, since God was before humans
@@gearscore349Okay, but that brings up the question of if they think God not only has a sexuality, but that it's being straight. Because, I mean, /how/? Who is God into? How did they even find this out? I went through so many years of catechism and God having a massive crush was never even once addressed; is this information only available to a handful of churches or something?
@@ErieMaxwell Idk, basically, everything you know came after him according to Christianity
You could argue that God predates gayness, but Christianity does not. Christianity is tied to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (hence the name), and there are thousands of years of biblical history before that, during which there was definitely at least one gay person.
One CAN be a member of a marginalized group and also be a bigot. People are usually more than one thing at a time.
Look at the Latino population in Florida! (I'm Latina - I can say that lol)
Yup. Its genuinely amazing (read horrorfying) how often I see that. Even more so when I see racism coming out of black people.
It’s frankly appalling, but unfortunately true
Stonetoss moment
Sadly they are the ones keeping hate alive. It would be a dying breed otherwise. You can't perpetuate hate and expect love in return.
“I’m tired of hearing gay is the new black” who tf says that??
racists
The voices in Dave Chappelle's head, presumably?
Bigots.
homophobic racists.
White gays
"It's not personal, I just have a deeply held belief that your relationships are fundamentally invalid and you shouldn't have the same rights as me."
Could not have said it better myself.
Simple right!
And don't forget "and I"m so terribly persecuted because people don't treat my religious feelings as absolute truth that everyone has to just shut up and agree with."
@@ParanormalEncyclopediaDon't forget, "actually I'm the real oppressed class cuz my kids don't talk to me anymore cuz I won't stop saying slurs"
@@chaoticdetectivepeach Let's not forget "I call it parenting, not abuse, because my children are my property and not their own people deserving of respect"
Bigot is too close to Bigote, which means Mustache in Spanish. They think it's an insult to their facial hair.
*twirls mustache* How DARE YOU
I do hate their facial hair
It all makes sense now...
If you're friends with a gay man, and he's out of the closet to you, how would you not be aware of 1. Marriage equality and the backlash to it, and 2. How your gay friend might think your opposition to him having the same legal rights as you, is insulting and offensive?
Also who gets doxxed as a result of signing a petition? Yes, the names are often technically public, but it didn't seem like Ted was important enough in his community for anyone to care about his name randomly coming up in an unspecified "homophobia" context?
Like even if someone thought it would be based to publicize all the names of the people who signed the petition, that's not how it's reported in the gay newspaper they mention? It doesn't specify what he did that was homophobic; his gay friend has to ask him what he did? So where did the newspaper even get Ted's name? Why aren't a whole bunch of other people in town who signed the petition also experiencing the same consequences as Ted?
Like, is Ted special in town in a way that Willie didn't specify but the movie does?
If not, then I know this sounds weird, but it's like Ted has Main Character Syndrome that the universe he lives in proceeds to validate.
Who gives a fuck what Ted as a single individual thinks (other than his gay friend)? Ted's beliefs only matter if he does something like vote for lawmakers who are going to try to restrict LGBT+ people's legal rights or anti-discrimination protections, or participate in some kind of civil disobedience action to try to change the law, like signing a petition... Oh, wait.
Maybe your gay friend actually understands what marriage is and doesn't believe in "marriage equality."
@@sholem_bond Christians are horny for victimhood. It’s weird af.
@@wolfofthewest8019 marriage is a legal contract for two adults to live together, take care of each other and inherit each other if something happens. Regardless of which religion or non-religious tradition you look at, that's usually it.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Marriage as long as we're using that term gets its roots from Roman secular law, not christian religious tradition.
The fact your religion used a legal term which was the closest translation doesn't make it yours. If you have an issue sharing a secular legal term than you are free to create an actual religious one. But Jesus was clear on this render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. This is Caesar's.
Wild guess, you think the only purpose of marriage is for popping out babies which is kinda sad. But legally and culturally that's not what marriage is. That's why it was never required for people to have fertility tests before marrying and that marriages weren't annulled by lack of children. Straight people aren't the only people who can love and want to devote themselves to their relationship, hell from the way I hear straight people talk about their spouses versus gay people I'm not even sure y'all do the love part. But by all means lecturing on how to do marriage properly.
I have known people to be exactly like Ted. When gay marriage was legalized, one of my old high school teachers posted on Facebook about how it was a sad day for America. SHE WAS LITERALLY AT HER GAY FRIEND'S WEDDING! Bigots be bigotin'.
Oh they love _their_ gay friend. But all those other gays are different and terrible and how dare they think they could ever do something normal without their approval? /sarcasm
@@Nortarachanges Her friend was super hurt and called her out which lead to a big public debate between my friend, her friend, and her. I was asleep so I missed the drama. It did feel super weird when she said hey to me at the store the other day. This all went down years ago so maybe I'm the only one still thinking about it.
I had a similar experience with an artist I used to follow on Deviantart. He was kind of overly dramatic already, but the day gay marriage was legalized, he posted a three page journal lamenting about what a dark day it was and how far America had fallen. Hitting the unfollow button never felt like such a relief.
Some people’s cognitive dissonance is astounding.
@@ChaoticWriterRisingI seriously doubt youre the only one who thinks about it, im sure the gay friend thinks about it, maybe not a lot but im sure they mention it every now and again
I saw a meme literally earlier today that said soemthing along the lines of "if cis is a slur, how come I haven't heard 8 year olds shouting it into their Fortnight mics?" and I think that's a pretty good bar for judging what is and isn't a slur lol just update Fortnight with whatever game the kids are playing and apply as needed. All that to say, I haven't heard any kids shouting bigot as a slur in any of their video games, so I think it's a safe word lol
Deleted in protest of Willie's censorship. I'm not letting you chuckleheads circlejerk and like each other's crappy rebuttals to my argument when all my responses get deleted. Queer fascists can't handle open debate. It's disgusting and shows how pathetic you creeps really are.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Babe, nobody uses cis as a slur. Your need to be victimised is truly amazing though
@@wolfofthewest8019 1. I think the joke went right over your head.
2. Cis is not a slur. It's a descriptive term borrowed from mathematics to acknowledge someone's gender expression being tied to what they were assigned at birth rather than transitioning. That's it. If you're bothered by being reminded of the fact you're living and presenting as the gender someone else decided for you, then you might want to explore why that bothers you. I'm not suggesting that you might be trans yourself. I'm just saying that the word and what it's trying to convey shouldn't hurt you or cause you distress. So if it does, it's worth getting to the bottom of that.
3. You brought up the "g" slur and tried to clear yourself of any backlash by clarifying that you're Italian-American, and therefore "allowed" to say it. So you acknowledge that actual slurs carry a certain cost and require inclusion within the target group in order to avoid that cost. Cis doesn't carry that cost, nor should it. Mothers don't cover their children's ears and people don't tense up or become angry when the word is uttered. Cause it's not a slur.
Also, if you think kids don't know or use less common slurs like the one you mentioned, you're seriously underestimating how dedicated kids are to becoming the most hurtful little shit bags they can be. Middle schoolers will teach you new ways to hate yourself.
@@wolfofthewest8019 “Cis” isn’t used pejoratively; it’s not a slur. This is rhetoric second garbage take I’ve seen from you. Hopefully, there aren’t more.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Dude. I'm a cishet man, and you are just very misinformed. LGBT people don't look down on people for not being LGBT, nor is being LGBT "cool."
And they didn't come with the term "cishet." We did, as a quick way say we're both straight and cisgender. It's just a contraction of cisgender and heterosexual.
I'm sure some people have used it while being mean to cishet people. But there are also people who say "Black" while being mean to Black people. That doesn't make "Black" a slur.
What likely has happened is that you get your information about LGBT people from other people, people with an agenda. They will quote the rare examples and make them very common. And they will quote things without context. Heck, sometimes they even make shit up.
Don't be a sheep. Don't fall for what someone's enemy says about them. Get to know the real person. And don't be a jerk to them. Be kind to LGBT people, and you will find that they're just people, like you and me.
If we can get over how the Bible feels about slavery (it endorses slavery many times), then we can get over the couple of times it mentions homosexuality…
Oh right these days they argue "God doesn't agree with it but he couldn't just tell them to stop it so he gave them rules to do it better." like... okay then.
@@shadenox8164 God is all powerful, but not that all powerful. /s
Absolutely nowhere in the bible is slavery endorsed. There are passages in which the mistreatment of slaves is condemned, but that is not an endorsement of slavery itself.
@@shadenox8164 God certainly could have told the Israelites to stop it, but then they would have simply turned their back on God. The Israelities were not like...good people. They were pagans of their day, and like all pagans they believed that *might makes right* and could not conceive of a deity that was kind, just, or merciful. They could only understand a God that smote his enemies, forced them to bow down to him, and ruled over them with an iron fist. That's why God had to give them all kinds of restrictive laws and rituals and was constantly punishing them by letting them get invaded and taken into slavery themselves.
Humans are not naturally good and kind to each other. It took thousands of years of moral lessons from God before humans had figured out the first thing about actually being moral and we're ready to accept the revelation of Christ.
It mentions homosexuality (obliquely, in terms of the penetrative sex itself, between two men) in literally the same parts of the Bible where it mentions how you're not supposed to eat shrimp or wear two different fibers. (Two things that many conservative, homophobic Christians definitely do, which no one seems to care about.)
These Christian movies are so far removed from reality, so illogical and so tone deaf that it blows my mind.
Probably a stupid question, how did you get that emoji?
The 'funniest' part of this whole movie is that they somehow seem to think that
A. There are enough LGBTQ people and allies to give every bigot their dedicated protest group
B. Those groups wouldnt have anything better to do than to protest individual, private citizens
I mean, im aware that the filmmakers themselves are most likely grifting and dont believe that themselves, but plenty of the viewers do im sure
I mean I wish there were enough of us to protest each individual bigot, then we could just out vote them and put ourselves in power and give people rights in spite of them
"I'm not gay--"
WAIT, HOW MUCH HAVE I BEEN MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WILLIE--
"-- but my boyfriend is."
Oh okay, thank goodness.
I'm probably wrong, but is this the first time he talked about his sexual orientation on his channel?! I may be trippin, but I want to acknowledge it if so! I feel like I've never actually heard him verbalize, only vibe. (oh and please chime in if you read this and want to Willie! I don't mean to be commenting on your channel like you're not real:)
@@Shell_Herbshe has a longtime partner named Matt :) but yeah i don’t remember if he’s spoken about him on this channel, but he mentions him a decent amount when on like Drawfee streams and episodes he’s guested on. Willie’s also made jokes about being very super definitely straight and “slaying so much puss” 😂
@@Shell_Herbs In the video about his dog, he mentioned his partner, and his partners name .
@@Shell_HerbsHe's mentioned it once or twice, but it's never been a big thing. Like he doesn't have to tell everyone he's gay. He just is.
I'm pretty sure Willie is bi. That's based off information from him hanging out with folks on Drawfee.
"Being marginalized means that you're always going to be an accidental activist" is the most perfect way I've ever heard that put
I like when the story was brought up about how awful it was that when slavery was outlawed white people just resorted to falsely charging black people with crimes to force them into prison labor, I would've assumed that Ted, being deeply affected by the story, might realize that the prison system still works a lot like this and maybe he would petition about that instead.
But actually he just heard that story, as well as the story about not even being able to sit next to a white person, and thought "Man....this is exactly like what I'm going through"
Leave it to a white guy to make it all about him. Source: I am white
As usual, they are THIS👌close to the point
The 'but it's in the Christian bible' thing never flew with me, if only because the law of the land already recognizes marriages performed outside of the Christian faith. Like if these people truly believed that a marriage AS OUTLINED IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE was the only 'real' kind of marriage, then it follows that they don't believe in the licencing of Jewish, Muslim or Hindu marriages either, to say nothing of civil ceremonies.
The entire argument was made in bad faith (pun intended) from the start, because marriage as it exists - and as it has historically existed - is a secular legal arrangement.
Jewish, Muslim and Hindu marriages are indistinguishable from Christian marriages unless they engage in polygamy, which the state will not license and, in fact, outlaws. A Christian marriage is defined as a monogamous relationship between a man and a woman for the purposes of creating a family through sexual reproduction. A marriage does not have to be performed in a Christian church to be a Christian marriage.
Ultimately, marriage is a promise that a man makes to a woman to make her into a mother and support her children. Whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or even secular, this is what marriage has always meant. It's even embedded in the word "matrimony" -- literally "mother rite."
That's why gay marriage is absurd. A man cannot promise to make another man a mother and provide for his children. It's literally impossible, gay people can't have sex! They can only engage in sodomy. So gay marriage is just a property sharing agreement, which is not what marriage is about. That's your secular legal arrangement, masquerading as marriage.
Bingo. If Christians want to declare marriage is a Christian “thing,” then they need to refrain from filing their marriage with the government. They can keep it in their church and forego the governmental privileges, benefits, and protections issued to legally recognized married couples.
@@wolfofthewest8019 Honey, anal is sex. You're just being silly.
It's actually pretty sad you want to make an expression of commitment be solely about having kids, as if there's no meaning in promising to share your life with someone else if they can't produce kids. If you got married and found out your partner was sterile/barren would you divorce them? If not why not? and if you would than that really shows how shallow your promise was in the first place.
Also again dear, marriage is a secular term in origin, it's literally from Roman secular law and was used to decide which family a woman belonged to for the purposes of inheritance. Yes they would then have children, but it was an agreement regarding property first and foremost. Thankfully we've moved on from those days and its now an expression of devotion between individuals, not an agreement between the groom and the bride's father about inheritance.
Get a hobby dude, you spend more time thinking about how gay sex works than I do.
@@shadenox8164 "Honey, anal is sex. You're just being silly."
"Anal" is not sex. That's sodomy. Sex refers to the sex act, i.e. sexual reproduction. If it can't result in sexual reproduction it is not sex. The anus is not a sex organ, and sodomy cannot result in reproduction. It is *sterile.* That you are confused about this only shows how much the normalization of homosexuality has damaged the culture.
For example, it is entirely reasonable for a husband to expect his wife to have (consensual) sex with him, but it is not reasonable for him to expect her to suffer the humiliation of being sodomized. But if "anal" is sex, then it should be reasonable for him to expect this. And, disturbingly, it is becoming more and more common for young men to think there is nothing improper about expecting young women to accept acts of sodomy. Because it's "just sex," right?
"It's actually pretty sad you want to make an expression of commitment be solely about having kids, as if there's no meaning in promising to share your life with someone else if they can't produce kids."
Specious strawman. Marriage is an expression of commitment to having children and creating a family. That does not preclude the possibility of other expressions of commitment. Those expressions simply aren't marriage.
"Also again dear,"
Your constant need to be condescending speaks to a deep insecurity and a bit of self-righteous arrogance.
"marriage is a secular term in origin, it's literally from Roman secular law. Yes they would then have children, but it was an agreement regarding property first and foremost."
Some of the basics of the institution were taken from the Romans, that is true. They took it from the Greeks, who gave us the word matrimony, which again means "mother rite." Because marriage has always been about creating families and producing children, right up to the sexual revolution, at which point marriage became a loosey goosey kind of vibe, man. It means what you want it to mean, man. Do your own thing. You want to have an open marriage? Cool. You want to marry two other people at the same time? Party on, my thruple.
Marriage now means nothing. Yay! You've rendered the institution completely pointless symbolism. And your reward is....population collapse! Woo hoo! You did it! You killed Western civilization!
"Get a hobby dude, you spend more time thinking about how gay sex works than I do."
Ah, here come the shaming tactics. When you are really insecure about your argument, attempt to intimidate your opponent into retreating by impugning that they're doing something wrong by not mindlessly submitting to your position. I am unimpressed.
@@wolfofthewest8019 pound sand buddy. Gtfo.
"Christianity came before gays"
Epos on Gilgamesh's the oldest translated writing be like:
oh my what a bunch of two homies wrestling naked together upon first meeting. Chopping down trees and monsters together until one of them dies and other become so depressed he starts to search for immortality... what a bud
Gilgamesh and Enkidu? Oh, Enki-sure-du.
It's not gay if it's clay.
no no no you dont get it Gilgamesh loving Enkidu like a woman just meant they where room mates
I thought Enkidu was genderless? Not that that's acceptable by christian stamdards either, i guess
its also funny if you look deeper in the bible itself and there are queer interpretations that they'll write off as "oh they're just close friends, love in this context is totally platonic"
christians dont want you to know jesus' ancestor was possibly a closet bisexual or that the first convert was a sexual minority (not clickbait)
As John Mulaney once said, “if you’re comparing the badness of two words, and you won’t even say one of them, that’s the worse word.”
This!!!!
Well sometimes... I know plenty of people who are willing to use homophobic and transphobic and ableist slurs but not the N-word
@@Jacob-kx8goof course a slur doesn't become less bad bc bigots readily say it. but if that same person said the n-word is just another word, like f*ggot, and he should be free to say it, the fact he still won't does suggest he doesn't believe his own argument. He oughta say neither, but he clearly feels that n*gge* is still worse
@@Jacob-kx8go exactly, idk if it was the john mulaney thing mentioned but ik someone who said "is the n-word or f/gg/t worse?" "well you said one but not the other" and its like no they BOTH are bad 😭
@@Jacob-kx8goyeah it's more about social acceptance of words in that context I think.
I know I've commented something similar on similar video somewhere else on the world wide web, but the phrase 'one of the city's gay newspapers' has hilarious implications about vibrant life of this small town's queer printing industry
the others are old Star Trek and The Sentinel fanzines that just never let go
This town has a truly boisterous zine community. Honestly that'd be awesome, something about print media is so calming vs digital
honestly I'd watch a movie about two small town gay newspapers in competition with each other any day of the week, that sounds like a charming romp
@@Romanticoutlaw rivals to lovers gay newspaper edition
@@Link-dx1lxgay gay newspapers
"The tolerance people stopped tolerating me" yes, when you say that some people deserve fewer rights than others we tend not to tolerate that.
the tolerance paradox is its name
Funny, to be tolerant, you have to not tolerate intolerance.
Intolerance, in-turn, often doesn't discriminate.
@@emjakos3548 I saw someone recontextualize tolerance as a sort of social contract. Once you break the rules of the contract, you are no longer protected by it, which allows people to not tolerate intolerance. I think it's a pretty good explanation.
"It's a lot harder to turn on an entire group of people, once you give that group of people a face." Seriously. As soon as you started talking about the protagonist's gay bestie, I--a middle-aged bi person, who got married before equality was the law of the land--kept thinking about the multiple times in my life that, to my absolute shock, my personally coming out to someone has seemingly turned their entire view of the queer community on a dime. Like, because I kinda fly under the radar there have been a number of conservative people in my life who've known me for some time before finding out I was queer, and I've seen it completely change the way they talk and think about ALL of us. (You could say it's just in front of me, but I don't think so. They don't slip.) If this guy was really hanging out with this gay man all the time, having heart-to-hearts with him, I don't think he'd be able to deny his humanity so easily as he seems to.
Totally agree. In grade 10/11 I used to be a total bigot, fully conservative. My then acquaintance, now best friend, came out as trans. It really put things in perspective. I remember thinking, “am I really going to be an asshole to this person over something they can’t control?” I did a full 180 in the span of a few months. Later came out as Bi too lol
I need a movie about Ted and the gay barista omg the sexual tension between them is insane
I would love to play the part of Ted's wife, but only if it's an adult movie. You know, the kind where the barista foams the milk and the wife closely inspects the frothing device in her husband's possession as they are seated on a big sofa. See, I practically wrote it for them!
Get on AO3 and be the change you want to see in the world
It does exist. You have to pay $39.99 from your cable provider, but you get it for 24 hours. Bigot and The Barrista, you should check it out , it's quality.
@@dugongsdoitbetter I can’t even tell if you’re joking or not
Ted must first atone for his crimes. Then Ron can hold him close, kissing him on the forehead. "I forgive you, baby."
Ya know what's even more infuriating about the black elder woman's comment? THAT'S STILL A THING THAT HAPPENS PRESENT DAY. Prison labor is still used for free by lots of companies who just rent them from prisons without paying the workers. What places? Walmart is one of the first examples that always comes up. It's so infuriating to know that they used this argument to validate homophobia.
"I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is." is a pretty great line.
Also, an plans to have bisexual lighting in a video?
I can barely make heterosexual lighting work (fluorescents)
Lighting doesn’t have any gender.
@@BullShark-i2zBisexuality isn't a gender
@@BullShark-i2z
"Bisexual"
"Lighting doesnt have gender"
Something don't compute
This movie should have been about Miss Dorothy grappling with her learned bigotry and slowly realising she's on the wrong side of history, and how deeply uncomfortable that would be for someone who survived Jim Crow laws. It can end with a brigade of butches visiting her home, fixing up all the DIY jobs her pastor son ignores when he visits, drinking lemonade with her and telling her about the black women at Stonewall.
Where in the fuck is this movie? It sounds amazing.
I feel like this whole movie’s plot could have been avoided if the dad had actually spent two seconds reading what he was signing his name to, because it most certainly was not limited to “I believe in traditional marriage and absolutely nothing more will come of this.” Because most situations of “pro” or “anti” anything usually include action against the other side. Like the moral of the story is “read the fine print.”
Or at least not constantly flip flop between "I didn't know what it said" and "I will die for the beliefs on that petition".
"Personalized T-shirts are not really an impulse buy" says the guy who needs to sell his "I'm Pro-Joyce" shirts. 😜🤣❤❤❤
Got him
THOSE ARE MADE TO ORDER! I was paying off Joyce's licensing fee!
@@WillieMuse2 Okay, but "Personalized T-shirts are Not Really an Impulse Buy" would be a GREAT shirt... So would "So... I'm not a business man...BUT..."
"My husband passed away 12 years ago."
"Yeah."
Wow, much writing.
“That’s rough, buddy”
I mean it seems pretty realistic to me lol not sure what my awkward ass would say in that situation
This scene genuinely made me laugh. Like wtf!? It's so funny.
Honestly that'd be my response. That or "He sure did do that."
Very “Mama, kudos for saying that. For spilling.”
that entire "bigot is a slur" scene felt like watching someone wobble arnd clearly about to crash on a bicycle for five minutes straight
the 'paradox' of tolerance (that we have to be intolerant of intolerance) is so stupid because the person who is intolerant (against gay marriage for example) is the one who broke the agreement first. if we all agree to tolerate each other, but then you stop tolerating me, i'm not the guilty party for ceasing to tolerate you back.
i can't believe that we as americans continue to entertain this 'paradox'.... it's almost like a lot of people have a vested interest in maintaining intolerance of certain groups or something idk
Thank you. I swear people bring up that tolerance bs all the time. Tolerating intolerance is basically like those extreme bullying scenarios you see all the time. Where its only when the person who has to worry every day about getting attacked or harassed reaches their breaking point or tries to just talk to someone about it that gets treated like the boogyman.
Intolerant people can ban you from a store because of their beliefs but you can't do such a thing to them because of their beliefs.
Homophobe: haven't you heard of turning the other cheek
Gay person: Well yeah, but according to you jesus hates me, so
"Uhh, I mean I'm not gay. My boyfriend is." HOWLING
one in three furries are gay. the word "Howling" checks out OwO :3
"I'm not a bible thumper!" Ted cries as he proceeds to be one 🤣 Great video as always!
Excellent allegory with the "get out of the way" thing. I will never understand how some people seem to think their opinions exist in a vacuum, even when they can see first hand the negative impact it has on people they actually know.
It’s ridiculous when people act as though it’s a thought experiment. No, goofballs. It’s a real issue that has real effects for real people.
Your point at the end is so true!! A big part of maintaining bigotries is not learning about or interacting with the target group. I'm a trans guy from a small conservative town, its rough out here. But the person i've received the most support from wasnt my family or my friends from before I came out. It was someone I had just met who would later become a great friend, a conservative evangelical guy. Before we became friends he hated trans people, this year he asked me if he could come along to pride as an ally. People will surprise you, and no one is incapable of change
I used to be extremely pro-LGBT. That was back when I didn't actually know any LGBT people, had never really interacted with LGBT people, and didn't know anything about what was happening in the LGBT community (except that people were dying of AIDS, which seemed unfair). I also use to think Christianity must be wrong, because how could God hate gay people?
That was in the 90s. Now, 30 years on, I have known dozens of gay people, I have learned a lot about the gay community, I have seen the rise of transgender ideology, the queering of Western culture, the disease, degradation and perversion, the rising indecency, the imposition of gay male sexuality onto women via media like Sex in the City and fashion magazines, an explosion in the phenomenon of gray rape, trans sex addicts bragging about going to three sex parties in a night, fetishes being pushed onto younger and younger children, and so much more. And now? Now I totally get why God hates gay people. Makes perfect sense to me.
I really should have seen it sooner. I grew up in Seattle, which has a gay ghetto called Capitol Hill. Back in the 90s, when I was in high school, I used to spend a lot of time on Capitol Hill because it had the best music stores and I was way into obscure punk bands. Every time I would go shopping for music, I would get cruised by gay dudes. These were guys into the 20s and 30s, and I was like 14, 15. I would politely brush them off and try to feel flattered. Eventually it stopped...when I turned 17 and grew facial hair. Suddenly I looked like an adult, and all the gay men stopped trying to pick me up for sex. I really should have seen it then. Just took me a few more decades to see people who dedicate their lives to perverse sex acts are, in general, not good people.
TikTok has helped a lot though, made it very clear that the vast, vast majority of LGBT and especially trans people are mentally deranged freaks, losers, and social outcasts who really do belong on the fringes of society where their sickness and mental disease can be safely quarantined.
@@wolfofthewest8019quit yapping
@@Doodleandcompany I bet you love that censorship favors you.
@@wolfofthewest8019 I do actually :)
@@Doodleandcompany Naturally, people who are insecure about their ability to use reason and make effective arguments always love censorship. It's the last defense of the deeply stupid and dishonest.
Meanwhile, the local screen-printing shop in my California town has a full paragraph screed about how Donald Trump was sent by god to save America handpainted on the window.
If only Cali was the Blue bastion conservatives make it out to be 🤣
Ugh......🤦♀️
Fresno?
@@HoneyBeeFlanzman could also be Santee
@@witebatmanwouldn’t it be nice 😂
GOD DAMMIT NOT AGAIN! I keep thinking these are same day releases and i come back for the new video only to cry myself to sleep
It's in 29 minutes.
The idea that a business can lose so many clients for the owner being homophobic is ridiculous. People can't even consistently boycott chic-fil-a for god's sake
Any time I see these religious homophobic movies I just think of this one time in high school when I was sitting in the hall and overheard some girl who was very overtly Christian talking to her friend and she literally said “I don’t want gay people to get married just ‘cause, like, I don’t want them to have what I have. Y’know?” Which like, I guess props for actually admitting that instead of making up excuses, but still… Make it make sense.
If they're just going to say the quiet part out loud, then it does make sense. They don't want 'teh gayz' getting married because they don't want them being equal to the straights. It's an easy thing to think when you assume a group is lesser than you.
WILLIEEEEE!!!!!!!
i'm so happy, i've been having a shitty life for a while now. and what i need is someone to distract me by knitting, talking about a movie i will never watch from a religion i left behind years ago.
Hope things get better for you ❤
Glad I can help! (Hope things change for you soon)
So the movie is saying that bigot is the same as word that the movie won't even say. They elude to it with a "you know what word." No, it starts with, it means, anything. Just, Bigot, a word your saying, spraying on your building, saying in front of children is the same... I think the movie is very confused, or it's a satire on what that version of Christianity thinks.
that's always the most telling that they are very aware that there is a big difference, otherwise they either would say the N-Word or not say Bigot. It's the same stupid thing with Karen,when all those Karen's started to complain about it and likened it to the N-Word. Just a bunch of stupid people not liking that something doesn't go their way and feel oppressed by it.
I'm not anti gay. You know that! I just believe and do anti gay things.
Guys!!1!! I'm not anti-gay, I just think they should shut up about it and hide it while I can tell my baby he's a ladies' man at two years old!!!
"You don't go after some guy and his family! You don't go after them to hurt them, Vince!" complained the man who signed a petition to go after families and hurt them. Someone wrote that line and didn't actually read it. Though I guess if you don't think that same sex families are real families, you'd also think you're not actually hurting anyone.
I just have to wonder - what tradition did Ted think they meant, exactly...
Wedding favours
Between him having a gay friend but not knowing what gay marriage is about or what "defending traditional marriage" is code for, and him hearing the older lady say "that was my husband, he died 20 years ago" and only responding "Yeah," I think Ted must be a really shitty friend.
Especially sine it was explained to him BEFORE he signed the petition.
The real hateful act in this movie is walking in the middle of the street.
the casual bf reveal was wholesome lol
Right? Had to replay to be sure that's what he said. Love the love, and what a classic joke ❤😂
Girl there's a video of his boyfriend cooking on this channel from years ago lol
@@mekine45, Willie has been joking that he has a “platonic friend, Matt” for so many years. It’s a cute running gag, and Willie just changed the joke ^_^
Wait you didn't know he's gay? Are there Willie fans that aren't drawfee fans?
@@NikELbErGErBergel aw, I was hoping Willie was a fellow bi
You can't discourage me, youtube countdown, i have Patreon!
Movie about a guy upset about the free market.
...also what landlord cares about their tenant going out of business? They'll just get another one. The store front looks like it'd have plenty of people after it.
Of course a landlord can be concerned about losing a tenant. It is a pain in the ass to refurbish your property, get applications, vet them, etc. especially if the tenant was a good one. Paid on time. Doesn't ask you to fix things they did themselves like fix a wall when their kid rode their bike into it, rode their bike inside.
Anyway, you usually lose at least one month's rent. Maybe more. It is why we hire a property management company to get our next tenants. Besides losing a month because of vacancy we also lose a month to pay the PM company.
Yes, landlords do care about losing tenants. Even if it is money motivated. Small landlords also get more emotionally attached to their tenants. The reason they are leaving can be hard especially if it is because they can't pay anymore. You would love to be able to cut their rent and sometimes you do. Sometimes you keep the rent below market to keep the tenant and help them out.
@@kirielbranson4843 It's stated in the movie that Ted regularly didn't pay on time.
@@meghanphillips3495 my comment was not about the movie. It was about the OP saying, "what landlord cares about a tenant leaving?" Or something like that.
Although even if a tenant doesn't pay on time doesn't mean you don't have empathy for them and as long as they do pay you might let it slide if you like them. For some of us, it takes a lot to finally say you are done with a tenant.
This whole movie could have been avoided if the people behind it understood the paradox of tolerance, yet clearly it was too hard to do a wikipedia search
I snort-laughed when they were listing the fake school clubs that canceled their orders from his store, and his wife says "and the BETA club...." 🤣🤣
i’m afraid that is a real club XD
I thought she just said debate club weird
The way the old lady was clearly reading her lines for what sounded like the first time off of cue cards...
As John Mulaney said, "If you're comparing the badness of two words, and you won’t even say one of them? That's the worse word."
This reminds me so much of my conservative cousin insisting she has gay friends who dont mind her beliefs and me trying to tell her "Ashley, you dont have gay friends. You have gay coworkers who dont have faith HR will back them if they tell you to go fuck yourself so they have to be polite to not get fired. They refer to you to THEIR friends as 'that bigot I work with'." - the whole thing with his Barista "friend" makes me thing if you showed the story from the Barista's perspective, he'd have never counted the main character as his friend and was only ever polite to him because he was at work.
there was truly NO NEED to make the banter with the gay barista that flirty
In my headcannon the barista wants to get with him and works on that, thats why he is so frustrated 😅
"I think I'm against same-sex marriage.."
"*We're GAY*, Ted!!"
"It's not the same.."
-Ted, the himbo bear..
"he disappeared"
But like, where did he go?
"He DISAPPEARED"
The mine collapsed?
😑😑😑😑
Hey, I managed to get here on the same day as the upload this time =D
EDIT: Every time Ted says "I only signed a petition, it didn't mean anything" I wonder if the people that made this movie understand how petitions and laws work.
I bet they know how petitions and laws work, they just don't care.
That barista is a unicorn.
i thought it +was a human
the idea that christians were "here" (read: in america) first only works if you don't believe indigenous americans were real people
I am wondering why Ted’s home and business addresses were published in a paper related to a petition he signed. Isn’t that illegal? That is not the point of signing a petition. I would be really pissed if the information I put on a petition was published in a paper, not because I don’t understand exactly what and why I signed it.
Funnily enough, that used to happen to gay people. There were several papers that ran on outing queer folks by publishing their names so they would be fired and possibly evicted.
I think that thing was the "actual events" the story was based on, actually. I remember my mom complaining about how some anti-gay petitions were purposely shared with the specific people who signed them around 2013 ish
It wasn't the PURPOSE of the petition, but when you sign one, you add your name to it. Other people can later go back and see what names are on it in most cases.
45:41 This is a really good point, and it’s true. I was raised evangelical conservative Christian and believed that being gay or trans was wrong. By the time I graduated college I had started to change my beliefs to the point that I did not think it should be legally enforced, and that everyone should have the right to marriage and equality, but still believed it was sinful. It was my trans friend calling me out for this and telling me that I was still homophobic that was an important part of making me reconsider (another important aspect was realizing that I was also queer). It hurt a lot to hear that and to have a friend tell me that she didn’t feel safe around me, but it made me stop and think about what I believed and ultimately was the catalyst for me deconstructing my faith and conservative ideas and leaving them behind. I’m a happier, healthier person because she called me out on my harmful beliefs, and we were able to become closer friends. People can change and having someone close to them tell them why their beliefs are harmful and wrong can be a way for that to happen.
Your reasoning for why people feel like bigot is a slur reminds me of why people have balked at being referred to as "privileged".
Until the past decade whenever privilege came up it was usually only in reference to the rich. The majorly privileged. But now we're using it in reference to gender or race. So when you tell a white cis man that he's privileged his mind is more likely to think of like a billionaire. It feels extreme to him because he only understands the term by its extreme examples.
Your reasoning is sound
That's intentional and it works both ways. When you call a person "privileged," you are attributing to him power he does not have, which you then use as justification to be cruel to him. It works because privileged has that other meaning.
@@wolfofthewest8019 I would never use a person's privilege as a reason to be cruel. I try never to be cruel to a anyone, period.
@@wolfofthewest8019he does have more power systemically then someone marginalized. why are you so in denial of so many things? you admitted to being an “all women are the same” incel and misogynist though so maybe i answered my own question 🤷🏽♀️
@@user-ayiy824jbd If you believe that a poor white man with no college has more systemic power than anyone attending Harvard, you do not actually understand how the world works.
I deny things because they are not true.
I have never in my life said "all woman are the same." That is obviously untrue, and I don't say things that are obviously untrue.
Non-Christians are under no obligation to believe in the Christian narrative. Divine law only applies to those who assert that Divine Law exists. Of course that all applies to other religions as well. There is a paradox attributed to a tolerant society. It states that a tolerant society is tolerant of everything except intolerance. It's a misnomer that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Many of the key Founding Fathers were Deists whose belief in God is based on reason rather than revelation or the teaching of any specific religion. They were greatly influenced by the Enlightenment Period in France.
Every time I thought “the movie isn’t going to say that, right?” it did
The closest thing to an anti-trans Christian film is Lady Ballers, and that movie didn't even have a trans character in it!
To be fair, the main character of Lady Ballers' best friend at the end of the movie confesses that they've spent their entire life feeling uncomfortable in their own body and it wasn't until they pretended to be trans that they ever comfortable. The implication being that they actually are trans. Of course, the movie doesn't acknowledge this. The main character punches them in the nuts and they sent to therapy instead.
@anthonybowman3423 right? Lily simpson did a review on the trans storyline that was accidentally written into lady ballers
@@nuclearseahorse I don't think him being trans was an accident. I think it was a statement about the "right way" to treat trans people. Mind you, I don't think they were explicitly advocating for attacking trans people. Or at least they wouldn't admit it. It was "just a joke".
What they would admit to advocating for, probably, was that the "cure" to being trans is be sent to a therapist instead of a doctor. I think that was what Lady Ballers was saying with that bit.
@anthonybowman3423 I don't disagree, but as with the video I mentioned, they didn't intend to write a realistic trans person and yet managed to do so
@@anthonybowman3423I was going to say this. Her egg cracked. If anyone ever makes a spoof of it, they need to set this right.
"Respect my rights to not let you have the same rights as me."
9:22 They have been doing chores for this woman for a while, they know to ask to play with the dog by name, they say 'you know the drill, gotta do your chores before playing with the dog'.
But he's like "Oh, today tell me your life story"
Yes that was so weird
Love seeing how much the wall has grown 😊
And the not so subtle birdie after each panel is added 🤨🐦
"How did Black people get through slavery? Because I, a well-off white man, am stressed and this is the same thing."
That “it means something to me, Ted!” gave me flashbacks to every romance movie I’ve ever seen xD
I feel like the Episcopal/ Anglican bit was such a niche church politics reference. It did make me laugh as someone who grew up in both (and left)
I have a lot of people I'm subscribed to that I can't always watch because mental health sucks. But honestly, no matter what topic Willie covers, I never end a video of his feeling anything less than amused and vaguely hopeful. I love the way you look at the world and the quiet strength of your ability to not let bigots and fools crush your spirit
Happy Anniversary Julia and Lawton!
To think, this all came back full circle with a petition. Happiest Anniversary to Lawton and Julia!
37:50 He does know that slavery is the only reason black people in america are mostly Christian, right? We had our own religions before we were stolen.
This movie and every movie like it are just an hour long example of the paradox of tolerance. The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of intolerance, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
Happy anniversary JRKs
“how can he be a bigot, he has a black friend” 😭
I cringed so hard when the dramatic music was swelling up and supporting the big protagonist speech that hinged on "This country was founded on Christian beliefs!"
This one hits home for me. I am trans, non-binary and ace. I mostly keep to myself socially, but I have been taunted and had to hide who I am a few times due to unsafe company for simply being a few stripes of the rainbow flag. However, the WORST discrimination that I have faced has actually been due to me being disabled. I'm actively fighting for my rights to walk on a small section of public sidewalk, and I will soon be fighting for my rights to not be treated like a literal animal at a business in town. For the most part, when I have brought this sort of thing up to other people, they say "that's terrible!" and do nothing to help. Or, in the case of the business I mentioned, they act exactly like the protagonist in this movie. Its "nothing personal" but they apparently can't do anything to change inhumane way that they treat me. I am already exhausted a lot of the time due to chronic pain. I shouldn't have to fight this hard for any of my basic rights.
I think part of the reason there aren’t a lot of explicitly anti-gay or anti-trans Christian movies is because conservative Christian actors don’t wanna play gay or trans characters out of fear that breaking cishet norms even for make-believe ‘tarnishes’ them.
Kevin Sorbo can play an atheist in God’s Not Dead and the conservative Christian audience doesn’t suspect he’s an atheist IRL but if Kevin Sorbo played a queer person in a movie some of the more paranoid ppl in that same audience might suspect it wasn’t all acting.
The whole "What? But I don't hate you, I just want you to have fewer rights than me. We can be pals, right? You're not intolerant are you?" argument has always annoyed me the most. I'm disabled and queer and am so often expected to just sit and smile while people rant about how people like me have too many rights or joke about how people like me are useless or debate whether or not people like me deserve to be alive. And then I'm supposed to just be okay with being their friend at the end of the day or else I'M the problem. I'd rather they just call me a slur at that point because at least then I can just call them an asshole and leave without being jumped by their buddies going "but they'd never hurt a fly! They were just debating! They don't hate you!"
The indigenous folks who lived in the US well before the Europeans came and fucked up their lives weren't Christians. Christians weren't anywhere first.
I've never been to say, Texas in 2013, but this is quite the city that can support *multiple* gay newspapers but is also a quaint bedroom community where a guy can sell t shirts to local churches.
I also found the bickering about John Wayne movies hilarious. I'm not saying every gay man eats a regular diet of Golden Age cinema and a regular dude couldn't be a fan of an actor who was sort considered stodgy before he was even born, but I guarantee you it would have been more interesting and rung more true if it was say, Clint Eastwood.
regular
Only halfway through but the way theyre saying "gay and lesbian" over and over to make sure that trans people aren't part of the conversation is super interesting. "Gay is okay as long as they don't wanna get married, but don't even get us started on those genderqueers"
Dont forget the bisexual erasure as well.
“it’s not personal” oh that clears that up, you don’t hate just me but all gay people
If traditional marriage supporters wanted to keep marriage between one man and one woman, they probably could have gotten it if they had just allowed gay couples to have similar rights to marriage. But they chose to weaponize the inability of gays to mary. You want to visit your dying lover? You can’t you aren’t family you aren’t married. You want to make end of life and inheritance decisions? Nope, you aren’t married. Etc. etc etc.
They could have had their traditional marriage at the price of giving up oppression. But the oppression was the point. You can’t get angry if you are hurting someone with a weapon and they respond by taking away the weapon.
Thanks!
I am more confused as to why a petition would put in the newspaper a bunch of peoples, full names, Home addresses and business'. Thats basically doxxing
I think my head actually exploded when Ted says his line at 33:38. I was genuinely and completely flabbergasted and gob smacked that the filmmaker had the gall to honest-to-Christ write that line into their movie. Just WOW.
"Ted and his family hold each others' hands and walk off into the sunset. It's supposed to be this uplifting moment that tells the audiences that even though those mean homosexuals took away Ted's livelihood, they didn't take away what really mattered." The thing that really matters being in this case family - aka the exact thing Ted is trying to deny of those mean homosexuals.
The best way to avoid being marginalized is to refuse to be put in the margins. Take up space. Be loud. Be proud. You might not get the bigots to like you, but their children will. Generations long battles against evil take generations to change.
This is top tier advice, honestly. I tick several of those boxes. And I'm just now in a place where I can start unpacking all that shit and figuring out what I actually want my life to look like. More color and sparkles for certain. I also have an on and off need to present as a fairy woodland creature. So.
I randomly found your videos when I went down a weird ANTM rabbit hole and have binged them all since then. I work overnights and spend a lot of the time knitting. It feels like I'm knitting with a friend (not in a weird parasocial way I promise!) Thanks for all of your hard work. I hope one day the algorithm gets it shit together and realizes how great your videos are!
The two most confusing things about this movie is A. The film goes back and forth on whether Ted has a sacred belief or signed the paper on a whim without reading it and B. the film makes it very clear that Ted hasn't paid rent in three months but a two day protest closed his business?
"frankly, it works a lot like a petition" is such a fucking mic drop
Edit: Yeah, honestly, I really think this was one of your best videos I've seen lately! (And that's saying something, since all your vids are solid.) The ending was really strong, heartfelt, and well-argued.
I once got written up at work for calling a transphobic black woman a bigot.
Lol
Philosophy tube talked about how conservative philosophy preaches the idea of just making shit up to fit the conservative narrative and then stand by it ten toes down. Like the stuff they talk about isn't even rooted in actual reality and they know it. It's actually incredible watching itbin real time.
“Just because something has always been that way, that doesn’t mean that it always has to”
Strong quote.
The fact that the father starts flipping out about how you shouldn't come after a mans family over what he did when him trying to take marriage away from gay people is exactly that, and they didn't even realize it, tickles me.
You know its bad when theres a whole Wikipedia page about the Christian persecution complex.
My favorite part of my super close friendships with straight people is telling them how boring they are constantly
Last I checked, the phrase wasn’t “certain inalienable beliefs”
That _is_ the verbiage. I do prefer the word “unalienable” to “inalienable.”
RUclips is telling me I got a reply to this, but I can’t see what it says or from who. I hate when that happens.
@@briancoulombe4517 Can you see this current comment? Or is it also hidden from you?
@@alexwyatt2911 yeah this one I can see. I wonder what keeps doing that?
Now I can see all of them. I wonder what changed.