Seems to be confusion re: claim of first variable auger prebreaker. Many have been quick to defend, and rightfully so, the existence of variable augers in other grinders. My claim in this video is NOT that this will be the first time variable auger speeds will be implemented; instead, my claim IS this will be the first time a grinder offers variable augers AS PREBREAKER. Big difference. One delivers beans largely in tact, the other has a direct effect on PSD by breaking at different rates. Bentwood was the first to use the auger as a prebreaker to my knowledge. This would be the first to use different feeding augers all acting as prebreakers. OK Thanks.
To stave off any comparisons to the Sculptor, please recognize the massive cost difference. This costs more than double the Sculptor. In the same way there is no debate whether the, say, P100 is better than the Sculptor, I'd ask a similar exercise of judgement be used here. The Zerno is built with a different end goal in mind, whereas the Timemore grinders are obviously much more budget friendly! I take this over the Sculptor if the budget is there. Ok. Rant over. Much love.
Hmmm, hard to see Zerno 64mm burrs being better for filter in the cup compared to Sculptor 78mm turbo burrs. You even said the turbo burrs bested the 64mm SSP MP on the ode. Not talking about build quality here, only the cup result.
Hey Lance, being the burrman and all, can you put a video about differences between burr sizes 64 Vs 98 Vs xx. With the rise of the home market, many home baristas are looking to buy a grinder that will last 5+ years (without getting the itch to upgrade) Can you comment on what you see coming in the industry of home grinders? E.g. a budget 98mm ? an explosion of burr options and geometries? do you see burrs bigger than 98mm coming soon? with your work for Pietro, do you plan more burr design work? With your lotus water, do you see people starting to dial in their own water recipes based on the grinder they have or is it more appropriate per individual bean Love the content and the curiosity you have driving the industry forward!
Hey! Good comment. Lots of questions ha! I'll chip away at some. I see people with upgraditis all the time. This grinder would be one to NOT upgrade, imo. This is an "end game" 64mm. I see people getting more than one grinder on their bar. I have a friend that sold off his 98mm and 75mm grinders to keep two zernos lol I think there will be a budget 98mm trend, but I doubt it will last. It would be designers taking advantage of the desire based off the flawed ideology of "bigger is better." Bigger than 98mm already exist. Look at Molar Z More burr work? Possibly, though i'm not actively searching for it. I wanted to help Pietro because it is the first ever marketed flat burr hand grinder. I'm always excited to help on completely new things. Lotus- people should dial to roasters IMHO
I think the location of the switch is strange. Smack dab in the middle throws off the sleek design. Perhaps if they moved it more towards the back it would be more pleasing to the eye.
@@jennifermarchlewski1607 The case looks like it might be a pretty tight fit around the motor. There might not be room for the switch and wiring farther back.
@@jennifermarchlewski1607 Uh, no not somewhere where it's going to be AWKARD to reach so it 'looks' nice. Don't do that lol. If that's the on/off switch you use every time you grind, you want it somewhere convent.
Phenomenal review Lance! You are so good at this that 30 min feels like 10. Although I know balancing depth with YT digestability is such a difficult balance.
from a product design perspective: black anodize the stand and have the ring on the cylinder be available in different color upgrades, yes it would either need 2 steps to color or 2 parts.
Thank you for this in-depth review. I ordered version 2 so it was great to see your comments. I purchased it to go along with my Strietmen C2. Should work and look great.
Great review as always! I have one coming in June, and I can't wait. Got the HU burrs but I'm probably going to grab a set of the blind MP burrs. It's really cool to see how excited you seem to be about this one. Coming from you, that's very high praise haha definitely makes me more confident in my decision.
Amazing and informative video, Thank you Lance. Oh wait you said no "N" so Lace I guess. lol J/K, I can just imagine how many people try Hendrick instead of Hedrick.
Great video Lance. Really appreciate how much time you spend on these. I was lucky enough to grab a June order. Would be great to see a follow up video if you spend more time with the different pre breakers and/or burrs.
The 3rd Drop (of 250 Zernos) pre-orders just sold out in a few hours yesterday. Seems like they're selling out faster than the last batch, you might have helped with that.
Thank you! Selfishly hopes it gets great engagement because I've been told by many creators they treat creators really well with longstanding deals. This is my test trial with them. Since I have used them loads throughout my life, and currently, makes it a great option for a sponsor.
According to Zernos FAQ the blind burrs give you under 9% more grind area. According to a few people who have tested with blind vs non blind burrs on the EG1 they mentioned they didn't notice a difference. That would be an interesting test. Are the blind burrs really that beneficial? NO WAY that it equates to more surface area than a 78mm burr, look at the inner diameter of those 64mm burrs vs 78mm burrs (I think 75m as well) the 78s have a much larger surface area even more than an 83mm burrs which are also thinner due to having a larger inner diameter. I think the pre-breaker / auger feeding system makes MORE of a difference also the alignment which is really the main benefit of this grinder, as well as the build quality. Shipping to Canada it's ALMOST as expensive as a P64 (supposedly no duties since it's MADE IN USA! hopefully that's true). And I think RPM DOES make a difference in taste, at least with most 64mm burrs. 900RPM should be good though.
Amazing review!! Love your work. I did kinda hope for a little beatboxing while you were using the rocket puffer though!! Still great review and thanks for keeping your word on the release time for the video!
You said the blind burr is held in place by 3 screws into the backside of burr. At least that's what I thought you said. Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning. I watched a video by the designer about how to install blind burrs. If I understood his video correctly, there are 3 magentic screws he installed in the carrier. The rear of the burr sticks to those magnets by magnetic attraction. Then he installed 3 screws that push against the sides of the burr. His video about it is very informative.
Interesting about the Lower RPM requiring less power if done right, I guess that explains how they managed to get the 83mm Flat burr Niche DUO grinder to grind well at such a low RPM with a low wattage motor! They must be doing some gear box magic. Especially when some variable RPM grinders will struggle with higher power motors when grinding light roast for espresso at low RPM (Weber Key/EG1 etc).
not accusing you of anything I am just saying when I a consumer am sure I will become a patron never said that to anyone. that is a compliment. I have not entertained becoming a patron with anyone before, you are the first I am considering. Trust me it is a compliment I just need to watch for a while to ensure you stay with your direction. It is really hard with so many making deals, out there.
This is almost a bespoke piece of kit. The industrial design is magnificent in my view, really a blend of Star Trek Enterprise and Apple iMac all in a compact size.
Hey Lance! Amazing video as always. Informative, relevant, and entertaining. I currently have an aligned Vario with steel burrs primarily filter. I was wondering if you’d expect a solid jump in grind quality. The zerno has a ton going with it for maintenance, workflow, etc but I’m wondering if the cups produced will be that much better. I’m really hoping to push clarity and am interested in the SSP unimodal brew burrs. Let me know what you think!
Cracking review Lance, I’m wondering when it comes to sound testing if you could perhaps add in a component that may highlight the relevant pitch. Ie simply talking (I know you are mic’d up but I’m sure there is a work around) or perhaps a decibel metre of sorts. Again thank you for great review
Thank you for this! I have the v2 on order and impatiently waiting haha Great to hear your feedback just solidifying even more on my decision, I can't wait! I also love how interactive Zen is in the discord and I think it's incredible. You just don't see that, and that goes for any industry but the benefits are huge for both growth of the company and the customer side as well. I ordered mine with the HU burrs but can't wait for blind HU burrs, I'll definitely pick them up whenever available. Thanks again Lance!
Great video, got mine on order. Now they've released some of the optional pre breakers, any chance of a follow up vid looking at how those perform, and burr options?
Great video Lance and this just convinced me to drop my kickstarter pledge for the Timemore 78S in favor of the Zerno. The build quality, passion and attention to detail along with welcoming and engaging feedback with the community has me excited. I can't wait to get my hands on one as soon as they email me for the next batch of orders.
Santiago, I have been seeing comments like this from time to time but is the Zerno really going to be 2x/3x better than the Timemore? I feel like the 78S has a lot going for it including the much later 78mm burrs over the Zerno's 64mm. Price wise no contest. Lastly the workflow for the Timemore also feels comperable to the Zerno. Not questioning your decision more asking why the change, coming from someone who also has an order placed for the 78S.
@@Psynapsefulstill even being a blind burr the cost is so much higher than the Sculptor 78S? Excited to see comparison videos with this vs the sculptor as they being to ship in coming weeks!
Enjoy your shows. Once I feel you are not just a super salesman and actually speak on all aspects of cleaning , upkeep, footprint, for more owners, then look at the tech quality, and add the price frame included then compare these issues with others in price range, trust is gained, I will be considering a patronship😊
If you accuse me of being a salesman, I don't really want you in my patreon. I never sell anything. I have no vested interest in anything I don't clearly state. Any accusation or implication otherwise is not welcomed. Feel free to watch my videos or not. But these comments do nothing.
All these expensive on-demand grinders are literally the same engineering formula: 1) Make or use an existing set of well-spec'd burrs (of which there are MANY) 2) Spec out a motor with sufficient power and the right grind speed (or make it varible; not difficult), 3) Make the grind easy to adjust 4) Make a cool housing that is slightly different than the competition. I think we are at the point where grinder manufacturers are just regurgitating existing solutions in a slightly different design language. I guess that is alright, but is just kinda boring now to me. There really isn't any good reason for this being a $2000 grinder other than design language. Thanks for your insights Lance.
I sympathize but even still, none are perfect. Loads of flaws in many of them. And a gaping lack of innovation. I'm excited for the adoption of blind burrs here (weber has already done this), and more importantly, variable augers. I think this is a massive change that is way more important than variable rpm. Thanks for watching!
@@LanceHedrick Yeah, the flaws in most manufactured products like this are results of cost engineering, sadly. Regarding the blind burrs, did the designer note why he decided to use additional pins for alignment rather than just using the center hole? the center hole on the burrs should be concentric to the main axis of the burr (or could easily be spec'd that way with GD&T...) to a concentric feature on the mating surface. That would eliminate the need for additional pins and additional tolerance stack to the individual pin position, resulting in a more satisfying interface (I'm an engineer, I like things simple...) and lower production cost. The same concept is already in use on almost every automotive wheel/hub interface. No pins needed to align those bad boys. Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
@@MBergyman The designer did mention on Discord that that some burr manufacturers (such as Mazzer) don't release data about their manufacturing tolerances so this slightly overengineered approach was taken to insure maximum burr compatibility.
Like the concept of this grinder. Wondering since it has a pre-breaker with auger why not utilize a burr with a greater mid grind and greater polishing area similar with what Versalab did with their flat burr utilizing the conical burr as the pre-breaker.
This video really was a splendid showcase of the merits of this grinder and the philosophy of the person behind it. Marketing matters. Unfortunately it is outside is my budget so I'll stick with the budget timemore 😂. All the best regards to zerno though.
Thank you for the great Video Lance and Hugo! I am in for a new grinder to pair it with my decent and replace finally my niche. I was thinking about the EG-1 or P100 (tried the P100 at a friends place and really liked it but haven’t had the chance to try the EG-1 yet). But you wrote in a couple of comments above, that burr size is overrated. What would you buy? -> Changing burrs from time to time is no problem. I like medium to light roast espressos and filter as well and really do not like bitterness / astringency. Is the Z1 a grinder you would personally get over the EG-1 / P100?
Personally, as of now with my experience on all three (I got a P100 about a month ago), i'm still going EG1. Is it best for the money? No. I think Zerno is best cost-value, but I most enjoy EG1 out of them all thus far.
Between Zerni and the EG1? Deciding which to try next… Is a grinder with an auger just >>> non-auger grinders like the EG1? How about this vs an EK43? I understand the difference in the prices of these grinders, but if cheaper can achieve same or better results & workflow, I’d much rather go for cheaper…
Next one might be 98mm! I think they're still updating and perfecting the Zerno Z1 though! From what I heard the 1st ones were great, I'll be getting a 2nd edition soon.
@@BensCoffeeRants I have little interest in 98mm burrs again. Absolutely great burrs but the grinder gets too big and costly. I did have one some years ago, I just got tired of the footprint of such a beast in my tiny kitchen
@@mikni4069 I don't think 98mm burr grinders have to be as huge as an ek43 the p100 isn't quite so big. They're doing 64mm smaller than they used to. Look at a 64mm Caedo grinder and look at the zerno, timemore or df64V.
@@BensCoffeeRants p100 is still a noticeable grinder and it needs to be, those burrs are really massive, I have a pair left in cupboard somewhere, you need a motor/gear that can supply sufficient torque to run it. The alternative is what Titus done, shrinking it as small as is really possible but only by making some part of it under counter. We have some local roaster who run these and they are great for filter, but you need to be able to hide parts of it, something that isn’t possible for everyone. P100 almost as big as the chamber/motor housing of the EK but it benefit in size because it’s made Horizontally rather then vertically, something I’m not that convinced is the best solution as 98mm burrs originally was designed with feeders and vertical mounting in mind. Also there really is limitations how small you make these. Also I actually don’t think making yet another 98mm really make all that sense from market perspective. We already have P100, Titus Nautilus, Kafatek Monolith flat Max, Ek43, PK100 SD. The market is already rather saturated as is. That isn’t really the case with 80-83mm that strike a balance between these two extremes and where we actually got burrs that isn’t all about clarity. The problem with 98mm is that you only really got that and majority of burrs are either strictly filter burrs or really not all fantastic at ratios under 1:3. 64mm have selections but lacks dept of larger burrs in the presentation of the coffee. Titus just done a 75mm Nimbus and we need more manufacturers delivering for the in between to give us better selections then just more 64mm and 98mm.
I love the switch, very industrial-looking. It's one of my favorite things about the Niche I had been jonsing for the P64, but I think I would be happier with this, honestly, especially if the retention has been fixed.
I just feel like it doesn't match the aesthetic of this Or the niche. granted, i'm not a fan of the look of the niche in general so doesn't really matter there lol
Hey Lance! Yet again an amazing video! These exhaustive and comprehensive videos are my favorite to watch so keep it up, your efforts are very much appreciated! Also HUGE SHOUTOUT TO HUGO! Hugo does and has been doing amazing work, the videos always look incredible and extremely polished which makes watching these videos even better than they already are!
When you say burr lock, you mean that it's past chirp, right? Like I couldn't spin the burrs with my finger? What's the reasoning behind doing this? Does it give more range? Keep up the good content!
correct! You go until the burrs are literally locked face to face. I do this because I want the micron measurements to be as close to actual peak micron measurements. If chirp was at 0, then 10microns on the dial would actually be like 120 or so
and now, of course we have to compare this to the mazzer philos,... the mazzer - no adjustable auger and the auger is not a pre breaker? I don't think, but it is a mazzer
Hi Lance, another great grinder review! (I was late watching it). Question for you, with all the experience you’ve had with 64mm burrs, how much difference do you think the pre-breaker is making in the cup? Put another way, do you think it will taste significantly different than all the other 64mm grinders (which would include the presumably superior alignment in the Zerno + pre-breaker effects).
Looks very cool. Great job on the video! The brushed motor does bother me though. They saved money to have a less energy efficient, louder, and lower lifespan motor. I wouldn’t have expected to see that on a 1000 dollar purchase.
Nice review. You cover many important subjects about this grinder. When you will review the timemore sculptor 078s? I really want to know how the 78s burr taste, grinding espresso. If they more close to SSP MP or more close to SSP HU . I do not know If I should buy the 78s or 64s and put SSP cast v2.
@@LanceHedrick Thanks you so much. If you can, also compare it to the niche zero as it is the only grinder I have experience with. I use light roasted coffee to make espresso with the decent de1.
I think the Timemore grinders are kinda a no-brainer at their kickstarter prices as long as they don't mess em up with poor quality control. Zerno is on another quality level though being built in USA and produced in small batches! I have a referral link on my profile for the Timemore if you do go that route :)
Great video Lance! Smooth sponsor transition haha. Unrelated to this video but I am looking at an “end game” grinder with a budget up to the Lagom P100. I drink 70% filter 30% espresso and want something beautiful, modern tasting, high clarity and a joy to use daily at home. I want to avoid buying something and then seeing something new come out and wondering what if. What would you recommend? SG-1 is unfortunately out of my budget 😢😂
@@LanceHedrick P100 is about $4000 AUD which is my limit for a single spend (and wife’s limit on a single item). I’ll be wanting to get some different burrs to try maybe after 12 months, can assign them to bday gifts 😁. If looking at a 98mm grinder I’m not sure what’s good burrs to start with given I like high clarity, mostly use light roast, and make a decent amount of espresso even though I lean to filter. Keen to hear your suggestions!
@@matumatatasify The Duo I think is a little late, with the DF83 already being out and the Timemore 078s being out, better featured, and cheaper with probably larger burrs (look at the design of the 83mm burrs vs 78mm the inner diameter is smaller on the 78, meaning more surface area) The main benefit of the Duo is the lower RPM and easy burr swapping which is neat, also if you have a Niche Zero and want a matching flat burr grinder I can see a lot of people getting it for that reason. The 078s is the best value right now with their kickstarter if they don't mess it up with poor quality control! I have a referral link in my profile if you decide to go that route!
I just discovered your channel. I love coffee and pretty much only do filter coffee, French press, pour over, and aeropress. What grinder do you recommend? I have an older Baratza Encore... was wondering if it is worth upgrading. I would consider between $200 to $400
Not sure if particle distribution or what is the cause but with most 64mm burrs I do notice a taste difference from changing the RPM, it's nice to have but not essential, gives you a little more versatility with the same grinder/burrs. 900RPM is a good speed I think. I know you had tested the particle distribution with the EG1 but I'm not sure that's the same case with other grinders. Most people seem to agree they can tell the difference between lower and higher RPM!
psychology plays a massive effect. And when you take into account no one is able to taste side by side and do it based off memory, plus echo chambers and hive mind, you have a recipe for inaccurate data. Easy to prove it doesn't do anything. Here is something to test- dial in a bean to, say, 18g in, 45g out, in 30 seconds at 500 rpm. any burr. now at that same grinder size, increase the speed to 1500 rpm. The result, assuming everyone is right and high rpm creates more fines, should be a slower shot. But, you'll find out QUICKLY the shot is loads faster. This shows the peak has moved, but fines aren't substantially more. If you have a refractometer, an even more interesting test is measuring EY. So, dial in to that recipe at 500 rpm. Measure EY. Now increase rpm to 1500. redial in to the same exact recipe. Measure EY. it'll be the same within a few hundredths assuming you have a decent refractometer and good measuring protocol.
is there someway to discuss diminishing returns in quality? I've got a ditting at home that I bought off my old work but want something smaller and nicer looking. A year ago I asked if I sold whatd you buy and you said the ode, but now the sculptor looks rad, and now this beauty. I only brew filter at home. Please hit me with a subjective 5 percent minor difference or 20 percent improvement in cup clarity. I realize that doesn't tell me anything but it's enough to appease my GAS. Also I have a bad habit of hanging out in the comments and wish you wouldn't waste your time with trolls (the ad guy)
Looks so fresh and clean. Currently running an Ode V2 for brew and an MC4 w/ Mazzers for spro. Have a Sculptor 078S inbound as I suspect I will prefer flat burr espresso clarity, same price as Shurikones. Wonder if the Zerno could eliminate some of these ...🤔 Lance, any Kafatek content coming in the future?
Probably no kafatek. I am not a fan of the gatekeeping philosophy there with the burrs being only sold to kafatek owners. I like more open source type companies. One of the reasons I don't have an iPhone, for example, is they force you into their ecosystem. Quite annoying imo
@@LanceHedrick I know there's some Kafatek fanbois that claim Denis can do no wrong, and his company is certainly not perfect, but at least he does his best to own every step of the build process, and tries to keep his brand boutique. Some like the democracization of ideas, some like to claim that they offer the very best. Not saying Kafatek is "the best"... in fact after 2 years I'd like to move past mine into something else as I think $2400 for a Mazzer conical grinder isn't the best bang for your buck, but that's another topic.
@@JusBThankful oh i'm not at all saying he isn't doing a fantastic job. I'm just not super interested in getting a grinder just for the burrs. I've had a little experience with one and, from my limited experience, I prefer EG1 and P100 workflow and aesthetic.
Yay! More coffee content :) Do you have a solid suggestion on "best", or your favourite espresso grinder under $1k USD, including mods/burr changes if that was relevant. Side question. I am new to specialty coffee for the last six months or so. I want to send you what I drink from my local roaster and get your opinions. Maybe a video idea? Do you have a p/o box lol
hey! I'm thinking the Timemore 078s for best under 1k. But need to do some more with it. Also just got in the kopi deva i'll be testing. And might be hard to ship as i'm out of country! Would be expensive and customs are buttheads
Hey @LanceHendrick I've got a Niche Duo w/ SSP MP Burrs fitted. I'm considering purchasing this grinder on the next pre-order. Do you think there would be much difference in the cup between my current grinder and a Zerno w/ SSP MP? Upgrade, downgrade or side-step? Thanks!
Quick question: I still have the Gevi 4-in-1 (stock Gevi burrs)--any thoughts in comparison to the Timemore Sculptor 78/Z1 for filter and espresso performance? I backed the Sculptor Kickstarter and will definitely be picking it up--I'm just prepping my setup to accommodate my first pro-sumer grade espresso machine (likely a Profitec Go). I make daily filter coffee to take to work (usually with the 1Zpresso X-Pro) but have been wanting to finally take the deep-dive into home espresso. Thank you in advance and always appreciate your enthusiasm/commitment to the coffee industry!
It's 1200 in EU, I would rether wait for 078S or df64/83v. If I was to spill over 1,2k for a espresso grinder rether buy something endgame like Monolish with shurikens
That's like 3 times the price ha! There are many who are prepared to only spend 1.5k for an end game.. this would qualify. The obsession with bigger burrs is certainly fascinating. There is no proof 98mm produce any better coffee than 64 lol
@@LanceHedrick Whats up with 98m burrs? Kafetek Monolith with shurikons have 71mm conical burrs. It's the best Single dose conical burr grinder. Not that there are many to choose from as far as I know. Double the price plus shipping. But for me if you are going to overpay just go for endgame IMHO.
BTW, not $999 anymore. Got a pre-sale promo from them. It says: "Price: Starting at $1299." 30% more costly than when you first looked at it. Does that change your assessment?
Have a Z1 with Espresso HU burrs on order for January '25 but saw your video on the Bentwood Vertical 63 and wonder how you compare these two grinders in terms of quality and taste (understanding that the Z1 would have to switch to other burrs to cover pour over which the Bentwood already covers). I currently have a Kafatek MC6 with Shurikone conicals and get great tasting shots from virtually 100% of the time, so what advantages/differences do you see comparatively with the Z1 and Bentwood?
Any thought of that would be a good choice for my small coffee roasting business where I have only a view clients a week actually asking for ground coffee (500g packages, currently maybe 5 a week, potentially 2-3 a day)? Or should I move to a EK43 e.g? I don’t really find any reviews on those kind of grinders and would be very happy about a hint.
I just got mine. It will grind all day every day as long as you're willing to stand there and feed it 30-40g at a time. I did a continuous 2kg seasoning and that's as long as I ever want to stand at a grinder. RDT is a consideration to if you want to avoid static. Good luck.
apparently the v2 and beyond zernos are much quieter than this. I'd say this is less Hz but is a bit higher squeal. But my version is no longer available.
DF83 is a bit louder or higher pitched than a DF64 if you know how those sound, but I'd say it's pretty 'normal' volume. It's also super fast to grind so it's not very noisy for long. I like grinders that have a smooth motor sound, the DF64/83 have a nice smooth hum, the P64 is much quieter motor wise. The Weber Key at least the one I had, had a reverberating noise which bugged me for such a 'high end' fancy grinder. The Pitch while grinding can change depending on the burr set used, the SSP MP is a great burr set but has a high pitch whine, I just switched to the Option-O Mizen burrs and surprised how much nicer /quieter it sounds with those burrs!
I like to grind my beans using a hollow copper tube drill. Instead of using sand, I use the beans as my abrasive. Ancient Egyptian hi Coffee High Technology. Two ibises, one stone.
Seems to be confusion re: claim of first variable auger prebreaker. Many have been quick to defend, and rightfully so, the existence of variable augers in other grinders. My claim in this video is NOT that this will be the first time variable auger speeds will be implemented; instead, my claim IS this will be the first time a grinder offers variable augers AS PREBREAKER. Big difference. One delivers beans largely in tact, the other has a direct effect on PSD by breaking at different rates. Bentwood was the first to use the auger as a prebreaker to my knowledge. This would be the first to use different feeding augers all acting as prebreakers. OK Thanks.
To stave off any comparisons to the Sculptor, please recognize the massive cost difference. This costs more than double the Sculptor. In the same way there is no debate whether the, say, P100 is better than the Sculptor, I'd ask a similar exercise of judgement be used here. The Zerno is built with a different end goal in mind, whereas the Timemore grinders are obviously much more budget friendly! I take this over the Sculptor if the budget is there. Ok. Rant over. Much love.
Yeah, great, but how does it compare to the Weber SG1 😂
we already know this. SG1 has no rival
@@LanceHedrick would you also say the EG-1 is strictly better than the Lagom p100?
Hmmm, hard to see Zerno 64mm burrs being better for filter in the cup compared to Sculptor 78mm turbo burrs. You even said the turbo burrs bested the 64mm SSP MP on the ode. Not talking about build quality here, only the cup result.
@@HansProbs Built quality also effects cup quality. e.g. regrinding
This is, without question, the best-looking grinder I've ever seen. I absolutely love the aesthetics. What a phenomenal design.
The SG-1 appearance at 26:45 was a nice touch
had to toss it in covertly. Good eye
@@LanceHedrick Oh, it was really obvious to any of us who have seen the SG-1 review. I have to admit I giggled. 🤣
HOW DID I MISS THIS?!???? lol
Thank god there are companies like Zerno. Beautiful grinder, would be my go to for single dosing. Nice review!
agreed! And thank you!
Well done Lance.
thanks, friend!
Hey Lance, being the burrman and all, can you put a video about differences between burr sizes 64 Vs 98 Vs xx.
With the rise of the home market, many home baristas are looking to buy a grinder that will last 5+ years (without getting the itch to upgrade)
Can you comment on what you see coming in the industry of home grinders?
E.g.
a budget 98mm ?
an explosion of burr options and geometries?
do you see burrs bigger than 98mm coming soon?
with your work for Pietro, do you plan more burr design work?
With your lotus water, do you see people starting to dial in their own water recipes based on the grinder they have or is it more appropriate per individual bean
Love the content and the curiosity you have driving the industry forward!
Hey! Good comment. Lots of questions ha! I'll chip away at some.
I see people with upgraditis all the time. This grinder would be one to NOT upgrade, imo. This is an "end game" 64mm. I see people getting more than one grinder on their bar. I have a friend that sold off his 98mm and 75mm grinders to keep two zernos lol
I think there will be a budget 98mm trend, but I doubt it will last. It would be designers taking advantage of the desire based off the flawed ideology of "bigger is better."
Bigger than 98mm already exist. Look at Molar Z
More burr work? Possibly, though i'm not actively searching for it. I wanted to help Pietro because it is the first ever marketed flat burr hand grinder. I'm always excited to help on completely new things.
Lotus- people should dial to roasters IMHO
For $1000 I couldn’t be happier with my purchase of the Z1
heck yeah dude.
I like that switch! It looks fine. I expect it will be rugged and trouble free and have easy and positive action.
for sure. it does the job. Just hate the look tbh
I agree, I had those switches on my Quickmill Silvano, they're mechanical and satisfying to use :)
I think the location of the switch is strange. Smack dab in the middle throws off the sleek design. Perhaps if they moved it more towards the back it would be more pleasing to the eye.
@@jennifermarchlewski1607 The case looks like it might be a pretty tight fit around the motor. There might not be room for the switch and wiring farther back.
@@jennifermarchlewski1607 Uh, no not somewhere where it's going to be AWKARD to reach so it 'looks' nice. Don't do that lol. If that's the on/off switch you use every time you grind, you want it somewhere convent.
Phenomenal review Lance! You are so good at this that 30 min feels like 10. Although I know balancing depth with YT digestability is such a difficult balance.
thank you! Means a lot! I try to make things I enjoy making, and that tends to be longer format lol
Your video quilty is getting so much better with every video! You and Hugo are smashing it!!!
thank you!
This is so freaking wild and cool. Mad props to this dude, especially for not getting complacent with an already killer grinder.
from a product design perspective: black anodize the stand and have the ring on the cylinder be available in different color upgrades, yes it would either need 2 steps to color or 2 parts.
Man. Your sponsor segways are so fluid I don't even realize it's a sponsor section. Kudos for doing that so unobtrusively. 🎉
Thank you for this in-depth review. I ordered version 2 so it was great to see your comments. I purchased it to go along with my Strietmen C2. Should work and look great.
oh that will be a beautiful duo!
Very keen to know how this compares to the P64 and P100!
Love seeing a ECM at the background! Looking forward to an review :)
new mechanika max! review coming soon
Quickly becoming my favorite coffee tuber! Great vid!
I love the detailed info about the motor, nice vid.
Great review as always! I have one coming in June, and I can't wait. Got the HU burrs but I'm probably going to grab a set of the blind MP burrs. It's really cool to see how excited you seem to be about this one. Coming from you, that's very high praise haha definitely makes me more confident in my decision.
yeah def need to grab blind MPs!
Amazing and informative video, Thank you Lance. Oh wait you said no "N" so Lace I guess. lol J/K, I can just imagine how many people try Hendrick instead of Hedrick.
Great video Lance!
Great video Lance. Really appreciate how much time you spend on these. I was lucky enough to grab a June order. Would be great to see a follow up video if you spend more time with the different pre breakers and/or burrs.
yes! Planning on it once I have all the upgrades.
Beautiful design, the magnetic shoot is *chef''s kiss*
agreed!
I love your indepth videos with your funny raps, beats, and or saying. It keeps you on on toes. Keep up the great work. You are the best.
thank you! I really appreciate the support, John.
@LanceHedrick Thank for always applying back. You are the best teacher out there!
The 3rd Drop (of 250 Zernos) pre-orders just sold out in a few hours yesterday. Seems like they're selling out faster than the last batch, you might have helped with that.
Excellent vid, my broski!
Love ya. Keep bein awesome. 🎉
@18:20 Lance breaking out the fancy tools, a lens blower and a box to tidy up those grounds off the table....lol. ;-)
This was the best squarespace advertisement ever love it ❤😂
Thank you! Selfishly hopes it gets great engagement because I've been told by many creators they treat creators really well with longstanding deals. This is my test trial with them. Since I have used them loads throughout my life, and currently, makes it a great option for a sponsor.
According to Zernos FAQ the blind burrs give you under 9% more grind area. According to a few people who have tested with blind vs non blind burrs on the EG1 they mentioned they didn't notice a difference. That would be an interesting test. Are the blind burrs really that beneficial? NO WAY that it equates to more surface area than a 78mm burr, look at the inner diameter of those 64mm burrs vs 78mm burrs (I think 75m as well) the 78s have a much larger surface area even more than an 83mm burrs which are also thinner due to having a larger inner diameter. I think the pre-breaker / auger feeding system makes MORE of a difference also the alignment which is really the main benefit of this grinder, as well as the build quality. Shipping to Canada it's ALMOST as expensive as a P64 (supposedly no duties since it's MADE IN USA! hopefully that's true). And I think RPM DOES make a difference in taste, at least with most 64mm burrs. 900RPM should be good though.
yeah I made all the measurements and calculations and posted on my IG about surface area. Check it out
We’ll need a Philos comparison once you’ve tested both machines extensively!
I got Zerno # 3 and I love it. Vel has been amazing to work with and going out on a whim and buying a zerno was the best decision I made.
heck yeah! Thanks for watching.
Amazing review!! Love your work. I did kinda hope for a little beatboxing while you were using the rocket puffer though!! Still great review and thanks for keeping your word on the release time for the video!
haha! future videos, no doubt. gotta space it out
You said the blind burr is held in place by 3 screws into the backside of burr. At least that's what I thought you said. Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning.
I watched a video by the designer about how to install blind burrs. If I understood his video correctly, there are 3 magentic screws he installed in the carrier. The rear of the burr sticks to those magnets by magnetic attraction. Then he installed 3 screws that push against the sides of the burr. His video about it is very informative.
Great review thank you Lance 🎊 🎉 Have a wonderful day ahead 👍
thank YOU! And same to you, friend!
unique design first and foremost. great in depth review
Interesting about the Lower RPM requiring less power if done right, I guess that explains how they managed to get the 83mm Flat burr Niche DUO grinder to grind well at such a low RPM with a low wattage motor! They must be doing some gear box magic. Especially when some variable RPM grinders will struggle with higher power motors when grinding light roast for espresso at low RPM (Weber Key/EG1 etc).
yes they have a gear box. My fear is i've read it is a plastic gearbox. Zerno has a metal one, which will last much longer and take a lot more strain.
not accusing you of anything I am just saying when I a consumer am sure I will become a patron never said that to anyone. that is a compliment. I have not entertained becoming a patron with anyone before, you are the first I am considering. Trust me it is a compliment I just need to watch for a while to ensure you stay with your direction. It is really hard with so many making deals, out there.
Consider watching my who am I video
yay super excited about this one!
hope you enjoy!
Truly impressive grinder! Looks appealing ❤
I agree!
It's a beautiful grinder but can you recommend the best stone grinder under $2,000?
none under 2k are that great tbh
This is almost a bespoke piece of kit. The industrial design is magnificent in my view, really a blend of Star Trek Enterprise and Apple iMac all in a compact size.
Hey Lance! Amazing video as always. Informative, relevant, and entertaining.
I currently have an aligned Vario with steel burrs primarily filter. I was wondering if you’d expect a solid jump in grind quality. The zerno has a ton going with it for maintenance, workflow, etc but I’m wondering if the cups produced will be that much better. I’m really hoping to push clarity and am interested in the SSP unimodal brew burrs.
Let me know what you think!
Cracking review Lance, I’m wondering when it comes to sound testing if you could perhaps add in a component that may highlight the relevant pitch. Ie simply talking (I know you are mic’d up but I’m sure there is a work around) or perhaps a decibel metre of sorts.
Again thank you for great review
Thank you for this! I have the v2 on order and impatiently waiting haha
Great to hear your feedback just solidifying even more on my decision, I can't wait! I also love how interactive Zen is in the discord and I think it's incredible. You just don't see that, and that goes for any industry but the benefits are huge for both growth of the company and the customer side as well.
I ordered mine with the HU burrs but can't wait for blind HU burrs, I'll definitely pick them up whenever available.
Thanks again Lance!
heck yeah! And blind MP and blind Cast. Really cool initiative
Did you get yours yet? I just signed up a few weeks ago. @jaimethenomad
Damn your intros are a mixture of Apple and Hoffmann .. love it
the intros are HUGO!!!!! haha
he has a specific style from 20+ years of videography. He rocks. Thanks for the love!
Shoutout to Hugo then! 🙌🏽
Incredible intro, wow!! Thanks for the great video :-)
thank you!
Informative and entertaining; as always. Thanks
thank you!
With this level of community engagement, looking like a “Decent” grinder 😁🇭🇰
loads of it and very receptive
Great video, got mine on order. Now they've released some of the optional pre breakers, any chance of a follow up vid looking at how those perform, and burr options?
+1 would be interested in a follow up video when these become more widely available
Great video Lance and this just convinced me to drop my kickstarter pledge for the Timemore 78S in favor of the Zerno. The build quality, passion and attention to detail along with welcoming and engaging feedback with the community has me excited. I can't wait to get my hands on one as soon as they email me for the next batch of orders.
Santiago,
I have been seeing comments like this from time to time but is the Zerno really going to be 2x/3x better than the Timemore? I feel like the 78S has a lot going for it including the much later 78mm burrs over the Zerno's 64mm. Price wise no contest. Lastly the workflow for the Timemore also feels comperable to the Zerno.
Not questioning your decision more asking why the change, coming from someone who also has an order placed for the 78S.
@@KushalJoshiP Because Zerno uses blind burrs, they have approximately equal cutting surface area. 22:54 has a more elaborate explanation.
@@Psynapsefulstill even being a blind burr the cost is so much higher than the Sculptor 78S? Excited to see comparison videos with this vs the sculptor as they being to ship in coming weeks!
Months later I commend your decision. I just got my 078S far later than you probably got your Zerno and now all I want is a Zerno.....
Enjoy your shows. Once I feel you are not just a super salesman and actually speak on all aspects of cleaning , upkeep, footprint, for more owners, then look at the tech quality, and add the price frame included then compare these issues with others in price range, trust is gained, I will be considering a patronship😊
If you accuse me of being a salesman, I don't really want you in my patreon. I never sell anything. I have no vested interest in anything I don't clearly state. Any accusation or implication otherwise is not welcomed. Feel free to watch my videos or not. But these comments do nothing.
the screw space on the burrs was acting as a semi prebraker.
All these expensive on-demand grinders are literally the same engineering formula:
1) Make or use an existing set of well-spec'd burrs (of which there are MANY)
2) Spec out a motor with sufficient power and the right grind speed (or make it varible; not difficult),
3) Make the grind easy to adjust
4) Make a cool housing that is slightly different than the competition.
I think we are at the point where grinder manufacturers are just regurgitating existing solutions in a slightly different design language. I guess that is alright, but is just kinda boring now to me. There really isn't any good reason for this being a $2000 grinder other than design language.
Thanks for your insights Lance.
I sympathize but even still, none are perfect. Loads of flaws in many of them. And a gaping lack of innovation. I'm excited for the adoption of blind burrs here (weber has already done this), and more importantly, variable augers. I think this is a massive change that is way more important than variable rpm.
Thanks for watching!
@@LanceHedrick Yeah, the flaws in most manufactured products like this are results of cost engineering, sadly. Regarding the blind burrs, did the designer note why he decided to use additional pins for alignment rather than just using the center hole? the center hole on the burrs should be concentric to the main axis of the burr (or could easily be spec'd that way with GD&T...) to a concentric feature on the mating surface. That would eliminate the need for additional pins and additional tolerance stack to the individual pin position, resulting in a more satisfying interface (I'm an engineer, I like things simple...) and lower production cost. The same concept is already in use on almost every automotive wheel/hub interface. No pins needed to align those bad boys. Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
@@MBergyman The designer did mention on Discord that that some burr manufacturers (such as Mazzer) don't release data about their manufacturing tolerances so this slightly overengineered approach was taken to insure maximum burr compatibility.
Like the concept of this grinder. Wondering since it has a pre-breaker with auger why not utilize a burr with a greater mid grind and greater polishing area similar with what Versalab did with their flat burr utilizing the conical burr as the pre-breaker.
I am sure that will be a future iteration. As for now, they are working with variable augers. They didn't design a burr for this launch.
This video really was a splendid showcase of the merits of this grinder and the philosophy of the person behind it. Marketing matters. Unfortunately it is outside is my budget so I'll stick with the budget timemore 😂. All the best regards to zerno though.
I have high hopes for timemore! Review coming soon
Thank you for the great Video Lance and Hugo! I am in for a new grinder to pair it with my decent and replace finally my niche. I was thinking about the EG-1 or P100 (tried the P100 at a friends place and really liked it but haven’t had the chance to try the EG-1 yet). But you wrote in a couple of comments above, that burr size is overrated. What would you buy? -> Changing burrs from time to time is no problem. I like medium to light roast espressos and filter as well and really do not like bitterness / astringency. Is the Z1 a grinder you would personally get over the EG-1 / P100?
Personally, as of now with my experience on all three (I got a P100 about a month ago), i'm still going EG1. Is it best for the money? No. I think Zerno is best cost-value, but I most enjoy EG1 out of them all thus far.
BLIND BURRS, BABY!!!!!!!!!
And I really like the switch, BTW :)
I also appreciate the finger guns very much!
Haha! Not the only one enjoying the switch!
Between Zerni and the EG1? Deciding which to try next… Is a grinder with an auger just >>> non-auger grinders like the EG1? How about this vs an EK43? I understand the difference in the prices of these grinders, but if cheaper can achieve same or better results & workflow, I’d much rather go for cheaper…
That looks like such a nice grinder. I did consider it really hard, but wanted bigger burrs. I hope they make a 80ish version some day
Next one might be 98mm! I think they're still updating and perfecting the Zerno Z1 though! From what I heard the 1st ones were great, I'll be getting a 2nd edition soon.
@@BensCoffeeRants I have little interest in 98mm burrs again. Absolutely great burrs but the grinder gets too big and costly.
I did have one some years ago, I just got tired of the footprint of such a beast in my tiny kitchen
@@mikni4069 I don't think 98mm burr grinders have to be as huge as an ek43 the p100 isn't quite so big. They're doing 64mm smaller than they used to. Look at a 64mm Caedo grinder and look at the zerno, timemore or df64V.
@@BensCoffeeRants p100 is still a noticeable grinder and it needs to be, those burrs are really massive, I have a pair left in cupboard somewhere, you need a motor/gear that can supply sufficient torque to run it. The alternative is what Titus done, shrinking it as small as is really possible but only by making some part of it under counter. We have some local roaster who run these and they are great for filter, but you need to be able to hide parts of it, something that isn’t possible for everyone.
P100 almost as big as the chamber/motor housing of the EK but it benefit in size because it’s made Horizontally rather then vertically, something I’m not that convinced is the best solution as 98mm burrs originally was designed with feeders and vertical mounting in mind. Also there really is limitations how small you make these.
Also I actually don’t think making yet another 98mm really make all that sense from market perspective. We already have P100, Titus Nautilus, Kafatek Monolith flat Max, Ek43, PK100 SD. The market is already rather saturated as is. That isn’t really the case with 80-83mm that strike a balance between these two extremes and where we actually got burrs that isn’t all about clarity. The problem with 98mm is that you only really got that and majority of burrs are either strictly filter burrs or really not all fantastic at ratios under 1:3. 64mm have selections but lacks dept of larger burrs in the presentation of the coffee.
Titus just done a 75mm Nimbus and we need more manufacturers delivering for the in between to give us better selections then just more 64mm and 98mm.
@@mikni4069 timemore sculptor 78 😉
I love the switch, very industrial-looking. It's one of my favorite things about the Niche
I had been jonsing for the P64, but I think I would be happier with this, honestly, especially if the retention has been fixed.
I just feel like it doesn't match the aesthetic of this Or the niche. granted, i'm not a fan of the look of the niche in general so doesn't really matter there lol
Hey Lance! Yet again an amazing video! These exhaustive and comprehensive videos are my favorite to watch so keep it up, your efforts are very much appreciated! Also HUGE SHOUTOUT TO HUGO! Hugo does and has been doing amazing work, the videos always look incredible and extremely polished which makes watching these videos even better than they already are!
Yeah!!!!! TTTTTTHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKK YYYYYOOOOOUUUUUU! yes, im literally screaming
@@hugoferrazporto You deserve the shoutout! Thank you so much for making this channel as good as it is!!!! Keep it up!!!!
hugo is daddy
When you say burr lock, you mean that it's past chirp, right? Like I couldn't spin the burrs with my finger?
What's the reasoning behind doing this? Does it give more range?
Keep up the good content!
I am also curious about this.
correct! You go until the burrs are literally locked face to face. I do this because I want the micron measurements to be as close to actual peak micron measurements. If chirp was at 0, then 10microns on the dial would actually be like 120 or so
Great review. I'm an incredibly happy owner of a v1 zerno
Love to hear it from the horse's mouth!
thanks for the insights on this grinder. am I the only one that likes this switch and the one on the niche?
No a few others like it! Just a personal qualm lol
and now, of course we have to compare this to the mazzer philos,... the mazzer - no adjustable auger and the auger is not a pre breaker? I don't think, but it is a mazzer
Hi Lance, another great grinder review! (I was late watching it). Question for you, with all the experience you’ve had with 64mm burrs, how much difference do you think the pre-breaker is making in the cup? Put another way, do you think it will taste significantly different than all the other 64mm grinders (which would include the presumably superior alignment in the Zerno + pre-breaker effects).
Great video! You should do a deep dive into ek43 somewhen, just to have a comparison to all of the more domestic focused grinders.
Mine is on the way 🥰
@@LanceHedrick yeah! 🥳
the cable connection needs a nice clean collar bezel grommet.
Looks very cool. Great job on the video! The brushed motor does bother me though. They saved money to have a less energy efficient, louder, and lower lifespan motor. I wouldn’t have expected to see that on a 1000 dollar purchase.
5000 hours with two grinds daily of 30sec lasts about 274 years.
And carbon brushes are super easy to swap :)
Nice review. You cover many important subjects about this grinder. When you will review the timemore sculptor 078s? I really want to know how the 78s burr taste, grinding espresso. If they more close to SSP MP or more close to SSP HU . I do not know If I should buy the 78s or 64s and put SSP cast v2.
i'l review it prior to the KS ending.
@@LanceHedrick Thanks you so much. If you can, also compare it to the niche zero as it is the only grinder I have experience with. I use light roasted coffee to make espresso with the decent de1.
@@LanceHedrick I think a lot of people are waiting on this before they make up their mind and back the 078s. I know I am!
I think the Timemore grinders are kinda a no-brainer at their kickstarter prices as long as they don't mess em up with poor quality control. Zerno is on another quality level though being built in USA and produced in small batches! I have a referral link on my profile for the Timemore if you do go that route :)
I am interested in buying one!
Great video Lance! Smooth sponsor transition haha. Unrelated to this video but I am looking at an “end game” grinder with a budget up to the Lagom P100. I drink 70% filter 30% espresso and want something beautiful, modern tasting, high clarity and a joy to use daily at home. I want to avoid buying something and then seeing something new come out and wondering what if. What would you recommend? SG-1 is unfortunately out of my budget 😢😂
if p100 is your absolute max, then I assuem you wouldn't be able to buy extra burr sets?
@@LanceHedrick P100 is about $4000 AUD which is my limit for a single spend (and wife’s limit on a single item). I’ll be wanting to get some different burrs to try maybe after 12 months, can assign them to bday gifts 😁. If looking at a 98mm grinder I’m not sure what’s good burrs to start with given I like high clarity, mostly use light roast, and make a decent amount of espresso even though I lean to filter. Keen to hear your suggestions!
Need a Timemore vs Niche vs Zerno video.
how about timemore vs zerno (though I can predict the winner lol). Niche I can already say is the worst of the bunch for espresso.
@@LanceHedrick are you talking about the Zero or the Duo? Incredible how much this price segment changed the last month 🙃😄
Lol forgot about the duo. I have it coming.
@@matumatatasify The Duo I think is a little late, with the DF83 already being out and the Timemore 078s being out, better featured, and cheaper with probably larger burrs (look at the design of the 83mm burrs vs 78mm the inner diameter is smaller on the 78, meaning more surface area) The main benefit of the Duo is the lower RPM and easy burr swapping which is neat, also if you have a Niche Zero and want a matching flat burr grinder I can see a lot of people getting it for that reason. The 078s is the best value right now with their kickstarter if they don't mess it up with poor quality control! I have a referral link in my profile if you decide to go that route!
I want this grinder based solely on the fact that it looks like kirk's enterprise
hahahaha! That's hilarious
Vertical flat burrs battle: Zerno vs Bentwood vs EK-43.
Which one would you have in your house? And why?
I just discovered your channel. I love coffee and pretty much only do filter coffee, French press, pour over, and aeropress. What grinder do you recommend? I have an older Baratza Encore... was wondering if it is worth upgrading. I would consider between $200 to $400
They should have a transparent material for the casing at least around the burrs so you can see them smashing together
that'd be sick. damn. issue is i'm sure many would complain about plastic being heated up, etc.
@@LanceHedrick they'd complain whilst making filter coffee in a plastic V60 😆
Amazing video Lance ! Sounds great, but I think that it's not even close to the SG-1... :P
it really isn't! Nothing holds a candle
Not sure if particle distribution or what is the cause but with most 64mm burrs I do notice a taste difference from changing the RPM, it's nice to have but not essential, gives you a little more versatility with the same grinder/burrs. 900RPM is a good speed I think.
I know you had tested the particle distribution with the EG1 but I'm not sure that's the same case with other grinders. Most people seem to agree they can tell the difference between lower and higher RPM!
psychology plays a massive effect. And when you take into account no one is able to taste side by side and do it based off memory, plus echo chambers and hive mind, you have a recipe for inaccurate data. Easy to prove it doesn't do anything. Here is something to test-
dial in a bean to, say, 18g in, 45g out, in 30 seconds at 500 rpm. any burr. now at that same grinder size, increase the speed to 1500 rpm. The result, assuming everyone is right and high rpm creates more fines, should be a slower shot. But, you'll find out QUICKLY the shot is loads faster. This shows the peak has moved, but fines aren't substantially more. If you have a refractometer, an even more interesting test is measuring EY. So, dial in to that recipe at 500 rpm. Measure EY. Now increase rpm to 1500. redial in to the same exact recipe. Measure EY. it'll be the same within a few hundredths assuming you have a decent refractometer and good measuring protocol.
Great review. You should shoutout your 52k grinder to sell at the end of each videos lol!
haha! I didn't actually buy that. It was loaned from Weber as part of the elaborate joke.
No money for that, but it does seem pretty perfect.
Btw. grinds behind augur is exactly the same issue that Ode has, wonder how he solved it.
is there someway to discuss diminishing returns in quality? I've got a ditting at home that I bought off my old work but want something smaller and nicer looking. A year ago I asked if I sold whatd you buy and you said the ode, but now the sculptor looks rad, and now this beauty. I only brew filter at home. Please hit me with a subjective 5 percent minor difference or 20 percent improvement in cup clarity. I realize that doesn't tell me anything but it's enough to appease my GAS. Also I have a bad habit of hanging out in the comments and wish you wouldn't waste your time with trolls (the ad guy)
What’s the difference between burr lock and churp ? 🤗
Chirp is first touch. Lock is when they are fully faced, meaning they can't move because they are fully forced together.
Do you have a recommendation re SSP HU vs SSP Lab Sweet V3 burrs for milk based espresso drinks
Looks so fresh and clean. Currently running an Ode V2 for brew and an MC4 w/ Mazzers for spro. Have a Sculptor 078S inbound as I suspect I will prefer flat burr espresso clarity, same price as Shurikones. Wonder if the Zerno could eliminate some of these ...🤔
Lance, any Kafatek content coming in the future?
Probably no kafatek. I am not a fan of the gatekeeping philosophy there with the burrs being only sold to kafatek owners. I like more open source type companies. One of the reasons I don't have an iPhone, for example, is they force you into their ecosystem. Quite annoying imo
@@LanceHedrick I know there's some Kafatek fanbois that claim Denis can do no wrong, and his company is certainly not perfect, but at least he does his best to own every step of the build process, and tries to keep his brand boutique. Some like the democracization of ideas, some like to claim that they offer the very best. Not saying Kafatek is "the best"... in fact after 2 years I'd like to move past mine into something else as I think $2400 for a Mazzer conical grinder isn't the best bang for your buck, but that's another topic.
@@JusBThankful oh i'm not at all saying he isn't doing a fantastic job. I'm just not super interested in getting a grinder just for the burrs. I've had a little experience with one and, from my limited experience, I prefer EG1 and P100 workflow and aesthetic.
"If you're going through hell keep going." --Winston Churchill
Yay! More coffee content :)
Do you have a solid suggestion on "best", or your favourite espresso grinder under $1k USD, including mods/burr changes if that was relevant.
Side question. I am new to specialty coffee for the last six months or so. I want to send you what I drink from my local roaster and get your opinions. Maybe a video idea? Do you have a p/o box lol
hey! I'm thinking the Timemore 078s for best under 1k. But need to do some more with it. Also just got in the kopi deva i'll be testing. And might be hard to ship as i'm out of country! Would be expensive and customs are buttheads
Ok cool :) Thank you!
And yeah, I was thinking vacuum sealed 3-400grams would be worth it lol
@@LanceHedrick when do we get a video on the 078s? :)
Hey! I know which grinder that blind burr is from! Been waiting for your review on that grinder, hopefully soon-ish~
haha! Nice! I'll get to it! Some more pressing videos have hit me
Hey @LanceHendrick I've got a Niche Duo w/ SSP MP Burrs fitted. I'm considering purchasing this grinder on the next pre-order. Do you think there would be much difference in the cup between my current grinder and a Zerno w/ SSP MP? Upgrade, downgrade or side-step? Thanks!
How loud is it? Let’s say compared to a niche zero or P64?
Quick question: I still have the Gevi 4-in-1 (stock Gevi burrs)--any thoughts in comparison to the Timemore Sculptor 78/Z1 for filter and espresso performance? I backed the Sculptor Kickstarter and will definitely be picking it up--I'm just prepping my setup to accommodate my first pro-sumer grade espresso machine (likely a Profitec Go). I make daily filter coffee to take to work (usually with the 1Zpresso X-Pro) but have been wanting to finally take the deep-dive into home espresso.
Thank you in advance and always appreciate your enthusiasm/commitment to the coffee industry!
sculptor content will come soon! Cheers
It's 1200 in EU, I would rether wait for 078S or df64/83v. If I was to spill over 1,2k for a espresso grinder rether buy something endgame like Monolish with shurikens
That's like 3 times the price ha! There are many who are prepared to only spend 1.5k for an end game.. this would qualify. The obsession with bigger burrs is certainly fascinating. There is no proof 98mm produce any better coffee than 64 lol
Hilarious jump from 1.2K to kafatek 😅
@@LanceHedrick Whats up with 98m burrs? Kafetek Monolith with shurikons have 71mm conical burrs. It's the best Single dose conical burr grinder. Not that there are many to choose from as far as I know. Double the price plus shipping. But for me if you are going to overpay just go for endgame IMHO.
But which feed has less fines? The slow feed or the fast feed?Which feed leaves the burrs faster?
BTW, not $999 anymore. Got a pre-sale promo from them. It says: "Price: Starting at $1299." 30% more costly than when you first looked at it. Does that change your assessment?
No it does not
Have a Z1 with Espresso HU burrs on order for January '25 but saw your video on the Bentwood Vertical 63 and wonder how you compare these two grinders in terms of quality and taste (understanding that the Z1 would have to switch to other burrs to cover pour over which the Bentwood already covers). I currently have a Kafatek MC6 with Shurikone conicals and get great tasting shots from virtually 100% of the time, so what advantages/differences do you see comparatively with the Z1 and Bentwood?
Any thought of that would be a good choice for my small coffee roasting business where I have only a view clients a week actually asking for ground coffee (500g packages, currently maybe 5 a week, potentially 2-3 a day)? Or should I move to a EK43 e.g?
I don’t really find any reviews on those kind of grinders and would be very happy about a hint.
I just got mine. It will grind all day every day as long as you're willing to stand there and feed it 30-40g at a time. I did a continuous 2kg seasoning and that's as long as I ever want to stand at a grinder. RDT is a consideration to if you want to avoid static. Good luck.
i love the design! the zerno its a lot quiter than the DF83? Would you choose the zerno or the DF83? :)
And really nice Video btw!
apparently the v2 and beyond zernos are much quieter than this. I'd say this is less Hz but is a bit higher squeal. But my version is no longer available.
DF83 is a bit louder or higher pitched than a DF64 if you know how those sound, but I'd say it's pretty 'normal' volume. It's also super fast to grind so it's not very noisy for long. I like grinders that have a smooth motor sound, the DF64/83 have a nice smooth hum, the P64 is much quieter motor wise. The Weber Key at least the one I had, had a reverberating noise which bugged me for such a 'high end' fancy grinder. The Pitch while grinding can change depending on the burr set used, the SSP MP is a great burr set but has a high pitch whine, I just switched to the Option-O Mizen burrs and surprised how much nicer /quieter it sounds with those burrs!
I like to grind my beans using a hollow copper tube drill. Instead of using sand, I use the beans as my abrasive. Ancient Egyptian hi Coffee High Technology. Two ibises, one stone.
They did a great job on the design. It's sleek and visually stunning.
I agree!