“Severe turbulence causes large and abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude and, usually, large variations in indicated airspeed. The airplane may momentarily be out of control. Occupants of the airplane will be forced violently against their seat belts.” -seen not in this video it was
40+yrs flying and over 25k hrs, I agree. Also, to identify to ATC of type other than PA-28 shows lack of nomenclature. Lastly, "drifting into class B"?? Turn the nose to the west if that is the case! No excuses..or just declare a damn emergency if your in over your head.
I am really get some bad feeling in 150 with 15-30 knots gust. And sometimes it may open door or window(school airplane from 1967). And first thing I am looking is speed and attitude rate. I don`t see anything here. Sometimes it`s bumby (what I call on this video).
The instructor is being overly dramatic. It’s not severe turbulence for a start. They picked up some rotor activity from the hills. No worse than that. Severe turbulence is an instantaneous climb of 2500 ft followed by descent of 1500ft pm in a heavy jet, being unable to read the instruments. In 20 years of flying light twin, turboprop, medium jet and heavy jet I’ve experienced severe turbulence twice. This wouldn’t be even close to severe.
With all that flying experience, you should know that light, moderate and severe classification of turbulence is dependent on the reporting aircraft. That is why it is mandatory to provide aircraft type when reporting turbulence during a PIREP. Not saying that this was 80kts as I don’t know what that’d be like in a small GA aircraft but it was definitely moderate to severe turb. for their aircraft type. Your comment is incorrect, and disappointingly so, if your flying experience is true.
@@shreedhar333 I would say after 27k hrs of flying experience that was not severe turb. I didn't see in your video any periods where effective control of the aircraft is impossible.
@@plainsailing5987 again, depends on the aircraft type. I would not want to be above Vno in those conditions in a 172. I'd call that pretty mod-serve but each his own I suppose.
Ken, you are totally correct. This wasn't even close to severe turbulence, and probably not even moderate. No way at all were they having 80kt gusts. I too flew for 42 years in all sizes of planes and encountered severe turbulence only once or twice at the most. Even moderate turbulence is not frequent if you look at the correct definition of it in the AIM.
I only hit severe turbulence once as a pilot. My head hit the ceiling, aileron went full deflection but it was still not enough. Running out of control inputs is scary, do not recommend.
Similar to my one experience solo in a PC12 NG it threw all of my stuff (iPad,drink, pens, crumbs from lunch) to the back of the airplane. The lav bucket ended up upside down and dripping blue juice through the lav closet door, I hit my head and gained an lost 1000 feet in less than 20 seconds. I actually let the control inputs stop and went for the ride. 1 minute later it was over, but man that was a looooong minute
This right here. Was probably 70% or more of ailerons and she kept on rolling the other direction. My instructor told me when it happens again to stomp the rudder too. Things seemed to be about 40-50kts at 4000-5000 feet in asheville nc. Glad I had a taste of it. No desire to repeat often.
I've experienced nearly instant full deflection of the VSI up then followed by equally quick full deflection of the VSI down while in "level" flight. I happened to be talking with ATC at the time and could not come close to carrying on a conversation. It was a thorough ass-kicking beating. What is on this video is barely moderate.
Severe turbulence is defined as a momentary loss of control. When we airline pilots hear small aircraft report severe we take it with a grain of salt because of inaccurate reporting. On the other hand when we hear large planes report it, we avoid other area. Although the turbulence can be disturbing and create control challenges, be cautious about the accuracy of your reporting because it compromises safety in that it diminishes expectations and potentially leads to complacency. I also own and operate a Cessna 421 and have a background in light airplanes. Happy trails and blue skies to all!
As a highly experienced Warrior Pilot and owner with Single Engine Land, Instrument, and much aerobatic training in the Dechathalons, I can tell you that in "severe" turbulence it would not be possible to make a radio call. The aircraft can be gaining or losing 500 feet of altitude in less than two seconds, pitch variations can be as extreme as completely being pitched verticle to completely pitched towards the ground. The stall warning horn is almost constantly on. The plane will of course keep flying if you keep your cool and continue to aviate. From what I watched in this RUclips was "moderate" turbulence at best. I have been flying the coast of California from San Diego to San Fransico for over 30 years as well as the desert out to all points in Arizona. That wasn't even close to "severe".
I’ve been in severe turbulence and it was nothing like this; I couldn’t read the instruments, the aircraft was doing horrible noises and went to 50 degrees bank. Quite scary and it was on a 777-200 over the Atlantic.
Yeah I had the same but in a much smaller single engine aircraft, instruments unreadable and it felt like the hand of god was giving me a slap every couple of seconds, controls light and unresponsive, all fun and games
if you're resting your hand against the sill im pretty sure we're looking at moderate turbulence. no doubt it's scary for an intermediate/novice pilot but severe turbulence has your body prepared for some pretty drastic and chaotic bouncing around. not to be a dick, but i wouldnt want this guy to fly me.
what was the basis for the 80kt gust report? There are quite a few errors and inconsistencies in this video, but the comments have called most of them out already. Some additions, though for those who are learning to fly: FlightWatch just wanted to hear "P28A" as the aircraft type. "Piper Cherokee Warrior II, white with blue trim..." is just a waste of breathable air. While FlightWatch isn't around anymore, Flight Service certainly is, so the guidance still applies. Your color matters for search and rescue, NOT for a pirep. If it's blowing hard and you're that close to the hills, you're going to get a rough ride, it's not a surprise. Airmet Tango was a good clue, along with the winds aloft. Lastly, telling ATC to tell other people not to fly there is presumptuous. Just let them know about the rough ride. And yes, severe turbulence (one level below Extreme) would have you routinely smashing your head on the roof, struggling to talk on the radio and routinely applying MASSIVE control inputs to maintain anything resembling level flight. I see a few corrective inputs for roll at the start, but other than that it's mostly yawing moment caused by the gusts or shear.
I am a low time yahoo GA pilot with ~3K hours and over 2,800 landings all over the country including Hawaii. I watched the entire video twice, and I didn't see anything that qualifies as "severe turbulence"....and I doubt "moderate turbulence." You don't know what "severe turbulence" is.
Asked an airline captain once what his definition of severe turbulence was and he replied, "when the aircraft is shaking so bad that we can't read the instruments on the panel!". This looks gusty but not out-of-control even for a moment so not severe.
I have never landed with 80knots gusts, but normally where I fly I am very close to the sea, and the strong winds make the landing very turbulent, especially when the wind is crossed. Excellent video.
137 other comments said the same thing, but this is not severe. I'm willing to imagine that the number of pilots who encounter severe turbulence in a warrior, and the number of pilots who have encountered structural failure in a warrior, both make a circle on a venn diagram.
Not "severe" per aviation standards. Perhaps severe enough to cancel a day of practice maneuvers over Point Dume (which is what they were likely planning to do).
This doesn't meet the criteria for moderate turbulence, let alone severe. That was mild turbulence. Also, when ATC requests a/c type, just reply P28A, they don't need POB and aircraft colour like you're going down...
with a report suggesting potentially severe turbulence ATC would want to gather as much info about the plane as possible in case it is genuinely severe i.e. loss of control which can have dire consequences. The onus is on the pilot to report conditions accurately to ATC & suggesting that the pilot should withhold information they have caused the controller to prompt for is ridiculous.
@@Eva-cs5le The controller didn't prompt for POB or aircraft colour. It's important to read back only what is asked so as not to block the frequency. My point is that the pilot shouldn't have been reporting severe turb in the first place - it's not an accurate depiction of the situation shown here.
FYI: it's important to understand what information to give to whom. FSS is a dude sitting in a control room covering a vast area. He doesn't know landmarks, and a PIREP should be passed with position (based off NAVAIDs/Airports, not visual points), altitude, temperature (if icing related), and aircraft type. Aircraft type would be like PA28/G for a cherokee with GPS as an example. For a PIREP he doesn't care about your color or trim or really much else. He wants to know where you are, what kind of airplane you're in, and what you're experiencing.
He still had time to talk and still be able to fly while chatting so looks like a fine day to me. Gotta try flying in South Island of New Zealand on a strong Westerly-wind day, on the Eastern side of the Southern Alps to see what does moderate turbulence feel like. Worst turbulence I have ever encountered in my life is in IMC and no control authority at all.
I flew through a moderate AIRMET tango in a 172. Videos always make it look a lot more calm. This was maybe moderate but definitely not severe. Severe turbulence in a light training aircraft would basically mean you have lost all positive aircraft control.
Also I'm disappointed that everyone is paying attention to the turbulence thing. Dude said 80 knot Xwind..... that's what I'd be criticizing the most. That's WAY beyond the limitation of a piper warrior.
@@GrumpyTinashe If you are ever flying in mountainous terrain and start to experience what you think is moderate to severe, turn the plane around and do it now! In California, the west side of our coastal mountains are littered with destroyed airplanes from folks continuing into turbulence they could avoid. We have special conditions here with our Santa Anna winds blowing offshore (to name one) and crossing the mountains from east to west can get you into downdrafts on the west side (windward) side of the mountains you will not have the climb rate to overcome. If your wings are parallel to the mountain ridge and you start to think: "this could be getting into moderate/severe", turn around and go land somewhere safe. Do not continue West (in California).
I've been in moderate to severe in the Rockies. I would not have been able to communicate over coms that clear (or at all), head hit the ceiling several times, passenger threw up, and it was like wrestling an alligator. Maintaining VA was another challenge in itself with the updrafts and downdrafts.
Had some moderate turbulence in a 172 years ago coming in to Fullerton. 30 straight minutes or bouncing around. Ugh ... was so happy to be on the ground.
This is not severe turbulence or near it. It is is continuous light to occasional "MODERATE". He would not be making this report with any confidence, he would be descending and the aircraft would be near out of control. It amazes me when I see these videos. You will tremble in a severe turbulence encounter since, there is hardly aircraft control.
I agree with you 100%. Impossible to make a radio call in Severe. Listening to SoCal Approach, I don't think he was convinced either but was doing what he must do in logging it. I guess the only good that could come from this inaccurate video is inexperienced FI and Students will stay clear of turbulence they are not equipped by aircraft, experience, or both to be flying in.
Thanks for sharing. But is 80 knots gusts a typo? I have a hard imaging that kind of weather in Southern California, let alone landing a Cherokee under those conditions.
when i went flying with a instructor it was almost as bad as this and he gave me the controls for the whole flight, it was sorta scary but wasn’t cause i knew nothing bad would happen and it was in a warrior as well. that man must have trusted me like crazy
@@LowWingFlyer yeah but everything was good and he was probably the best person i’ve flown with and said i was probably one of the better people he’s flown with
@@flymeaway1216 That’s a good comment from an instructor for sure and a big confidence booster. I was just implying that it is the instructors job to put you in that situation for your experience while they are there to assist in case you get overloaded. Awesome you got the chance to experience it.
One can see the “white horses” on the ocean below, that’s windy down there, one can imagine just how windy it is at height plus there’s the air currents moving between the mountains and the sea. Gusts of 80 kts perhaps not but definitely unpleasant flying conditions
1:37 When he says tell everyone DO NOT come over here, for some reason I keep picturing ACE Ventura telling the party guests DO NOT go in the bathroom.
If he’s calling this moderate to “severe” turbulence he’s got a real education when he actually runs into the real thing. Not even close to 80 knot gusts….
“We are getting pushed into bravo” what kind of pilot allows themself to bust airspace like that. Get control of the plane. Aviate, navigate, communicate.
I love how everyone who wasn’t in the plane with him, are trying to say that it wasn’t severe…how do you know? You weren’t in the plane. Dude said he was getting pushed into the bravo, which clearly indicates a strong updraft.
Because, when you've been in moderate/severe turbulence in a small plane, you know that your voice does not come over the radio that clear and consistent, even in mild turbulence. He may have been in a strong updraft, that's different. Imagine a small toy plane, now grab it by the fuselage and abruptly twist it left about 45 degrees, and then abruptly twist right. Those are some of the forces you will feel and can do nothing about in severe turbulence. You're fighting the controls with the yoke, and the throttle to prevent overspeed and stalling, you don't have time to mess with the PTT for a PIREP.
80 kts? I would be consulting the wind charts of this plane. I would not have flown if this was given on the weather report. Know the wind envelopes, and wca's as well as the maximum crosswind componant to not damage wing structure integrity for future flights, no stress cracks from this.
I'm a controller not a pilot while I have talked with pilots before and just from seeing wind effects on turns on a radar scope. 80knots is around a cat 2 hurricane or F1 tornado. You could not keep that thing on course at all. I've seen what 30 does to a twin otter with max passengers. It is dangerous for you to give false reports like that.
I think this turbulence is definitely not severe. I have a clip somewhere where I encountered severe turbulence with a PA28, it was almost impossible to control the aircraft. Completly different stuff, I will try to load it up within the next 2 weeks. This in your clip would be rather very light turbulence to a slightly bumpy flight. Haha but its a old video guess you are more experienced now.
Were it that severe, you wouldn't even be able to talk, just trying to maintain the earth down and the sky up would demand the best from your ability. Once as a lone pilot in a 152 I took such a beating, I thought the aircraft would rip apart and I was going to die. I banged my head several times and was scared shitless. This was in clean air. I remember seriously considering continuing flying or not after that day...
you call THAT moderate to severe turbulence?? and that is not near 80 kts...you should come down here to Patagonia and learn what real turbulence and winds are...
Wow, thanks for sharing this! I was drawn in by the title and first three seconds of jostling when I heard the location and the tail number - THIS IS THE SAME BIRD I DID MY IFR TRAINING IN, AND USED TO RENT OFTEN FROM STUART AT SMO! Wow, those hours with Skyward over Pt. Dume - really takes me back... Rarely though did we ever have updrafts that strong. I hope the frame was checked really well after that one!
80kts? doesn't look like you're flying fast enough for that. 80kt gusts would stall and un-stall your plane. you should be experiencing severe losses in altitude. I've been in nothing close to that (80kt), and lost 200ft in seconds in what i have experienced, going up and down so frequently and violently you'd hit your head on teh roof at times. I've flown in worse than what this shows in a Piper Warrior, and it wasn't 80kt gusts.
Camera never does turbulent conditions justice. That’s never fun, especially when your head hits the ceiling of the plane. I always think the plane will fall apart in the sky when this happens. I just stay calm, thank God I land safely and then grab a stiff drink.
this is a joke, right? this looks like it was gusting 30-35 at the most. That instructor is a clown. 80 kts my ass, too bad RUclips removed the dislike button count.
It's easy to throw stones from the cheap seats but as someone who flies a PA28R I gotta comment: 1) That wasn't severe turbulence. By the control inputs you were putting in, the aircraft's orientation relative to the horizon and the altimeter, it looked like light to moderate chop with some updrafts. It can be uncomfortable, sure, but that wasn't severe. 2) "Drifting into the bravo" and telling SMO tower about that (instead of approach) is very... not good. That's not a clearance into the bravo. You should have changed heading to remain outside or pulled power and descended to remain outside. 3) Radio etiquette needs some work (I see this was from 6y ago so no doubt the guys are much more proficient on the radio). And while you can include remarks in your PIREP... announcing "no one come over here" is a bit melodramatic for those conditions. Maybe not the best day for full throttle cruise at that altitude, but not remotely hazardous to flight either.
ATC: Be advised a PA28 reported severe turbulance your position.
777: Yeah we'll take our chances.
Underrated comment
Even a 737 will take its chances lol.
@@ronaldcharan2705 a CRJ would take that on
"...white with blue trim, two souls on board."
like he's going down.
Right? "Ummm sir are you declaring?"
“Severe turbulence causes large and abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude and, usually, large variations in indicated airspeed. The airplane may momentarily be out of control. Occupants of the airplane will be forced violently against their seat belts.”
-seen not in this video it was
Unless they get some kind of a super fantastic Gyro stabilizing device on that camera I will be calling maybe light to moderate
What?
40+yrs flying and over 25k hrs, I agree. Also, to identify to ATC of type other than PA-28 shows lack of nomenclature. Lastly, "drifting into class B"?? Turn the nose to the west if that is the case! No excuses..or just declare a damn emergency if your in over your head.
Hello fellow ATPL student
I am really get some bad feeling in 150 with 15-30 knots gust. And sometimes it may open door or window(school airplane from 1967). And first thing I am looking is speed and attitude rate. I don`t see anything here. Sometimes it`s bumby (what I call on this video).
This is a regular clear and calm day of flying in Arizona. Moderate turbulence would have been far worse than this.
You got that right. I did my IR training in summer, in the afternoons...it was great, especially under the hood...
Man I did my checkride in worse conditions than this in Florida everglades.
I'm only looking on my phone, but I think I see whitecaps on the ocean below, a sign of higher winds. 80 knots? wellllllll IDK about that.
In the summer time yes, in the cooler months, especially before noon, the air is usually pretty smooth.
I think he reduced speed way under Va, so there is no dramatic movement
The instructor is being overly dramatic. It’s not severe turbulence for a start. They picked up some rotor activity from the hills. No worse than that. Severe turbulence is an instantaneous climb of 2500 ft followed by descent of 1500ft pm in a heavy jet, being unable to read the instruments. In 20 years of flying light twin, turboprop, medium jet and heavy jet I’ve experienced severe turbulence twice. This wouldn’t be even close to severe.
With all that flying experience, you should know that light, moderate and severe classification of turbulence is dependent on the reporting aircraft. That is why it is mandatory to provide aircraft type when reporting turbulence during a PIREP. Not saying that this was 80kts as I don’t know what that’d be like in a small GA aircraft but it was definitely moderate to severe turb. for their aircraft type. Your comment is incorrect, and disappointingly so, if your flying experience is true.
@@shreedhar333 I would say after 27k hrs of flying experience that was not severe turb. I didn't see in your video any periods where effective control of the aircraft is impossible.
@@shreedhar333 It’s not severe turbulence.
@@plainsailing5987 again, depends on the aircraft type. I would not want to be above Vno in those conditions in a 172. I'd call that pretty mod-serve but each his own I suppose.
Ken, you are totally correct. This wasn't even close to severe turbulence, and probably not even moderate. No way at all were they having 80kt gusts. I too flew for 42 years in all sizes of planes and encountered severe turbulence only once or twice at the most. Even moderate turbulence is not frequent if you look at the correct definition of it in the AIM.
I only hit severe turbulence once as a pilot. My head hit the ceiling, aileron went full deflection but it was still not enough. Running out of control inputs is scary, do not recommend.
Similar to my one experience solo in a PC12 NG it threw all of my stuff (iPad,drink, pens, crumbs from lunch) to the back of the airplane. The lav bucket ended up upside down and dripping blue juice through the lav closet door, I hit my head and gained an lost 1000 feet in less than 20 seconds. I actually let the control inputs stop and went for the ride. 1 minute later it was over, but man that was a looooong minute
This right here.
Was probably 70% or more of ailerons and she kept on rolling the other direction. My instructor told me when it happens again to stomp the rudder too.
Things seemed to be about 40-50kts at 4000-5000 feet in asheville nc.
Glad I had a taste of it. No desire to repeat often.
Video title recommendation: "Light Chop in a Piper Warrior"
Severe turbulence and 80knot gusts? Absolutely not. This is moderate at best my friend
Turbulence always looks completely benign until you're actually experiencing it.
Okay, noted Capt. big shot
80kts?? Nowhere near that. If it was 80, you would have been fish food
Possibly *
@@JameGoFast27 probably!
Max crosswind component on the warrior is 17 kts. I've flown the warrior in 35kt gusts, scary but we lived. NO way that was 80+
@@sleektruck22 max demonstrated crosswind components are used for landings and take offs, no for cruise flight…..
80kt gust not constant
"We do have AIRMET tango". Go figure
lmao righttt?!?
I've experienced nearly instant full deflection of the VSI up then followed by equally quick full deflection of the VSI down while in "level" flight. I happened to be talking with ATC at the time and could not come close to carrying on a conversation. It was a thorough ass-kicking beating. What is on this video is barely moderate.
Now that would be severe turbulence Guy in the video got a few bumps
I’d say being that far offshore was much more dangerous than the turbulence.
Severe turbulence is defined as a momentary loss of control. When we airline pilots hear small aircraft report severe we take it with a grain of salt because of inaccurate reporting. On the other hand when we hear large planes report it, we avoid other area. Although the turbulence can be disturbing and create control challenges, be cautious about the accuracy of your reporting because it compromises safety in that it diminishes expectations and potentially leads to complacency. I also own and operate a Cessna 421 and have a background in light airplanes. Happy trails and blue skies to all!
As a highly experienced Warrior Pilot and owner with Single Engine Land, Instrument, and much aerobatic training in the Dechathalons, I can tell you that in "severe" turbulence it would not be possible to make a radio call. The aircraft can be gaining or losing 500 feet of altitude in less than two seconds, pitch variations can be as extreme as completely being pitched verticle to completely pitched towards the ground. The stall warning horn is almost constantly on. The plane will of course keep flying if you keep your cool and continue to aviate. From what I watched in this RUclips was "moderate" turbulence at best. I have been flying the coast of California from San Diego to San Fransico for over 30 years as well as the desert out to all points in Arizona. That wasn't even close to "severe".
At best moderate turbulence. Severe would require full deflection of flight controls to keep the plane under control. I didn't see that in the video.
I’ve been in severe turbulence and it was nothing like this; I couldn’t read the instruments, the aircraft was doing horrible noises and went to 50 degrees bank. Quite scary and it was on a 777-200 over the Atlantic.
That’s scary!
50 degree bank in turbulence in a 777???
.......bank angle, bank angle, bank angle
I call bullshit
Yeah I had the same but in a much smaller single engine aircraft, instruments unreadable and it felt like the hand of god was giving me a slap every couple of seconds, controls light and unresponsive, all fun and games
“Do not come over here! “
Dude just saved human race.
if you're resting your hand against the sill im pretty sure we're looking at moderate turbulence. no doubt it's scary for an intermediate/novice pilot but severe turbulence has your body prepared for some pretty drastic and chaotic bouncing around. not to be a dick, but i wouldnt want this guy to fly me.
what was the basis for the 80kt gust report? There are quite a few errors and inconsistencies in this video, but the comments have called most of them out already. Some additions, though for those who are learning to fly: FlightWatch just wanted to hear "P28A" as the aircraft type. "Piper Cherokee Warrior II, white with blue trim..." is just a waste of breathable air. While FlightWatch isn't around anymore, Flight Service certainly is, so the guidance still applies. Your color matters for search and rescue, NOT for a pirep.
If it's blowing hard and you're that close to the hills, you're going to get a rough ride, it's not a surprise. Airmet Tango was a good clue, along with the winds aloft.
Lastly, telling ATC to tell other people not to fly there is presumptuous. Just let them know about the rough ride. And yes, severe turbulence (one level below Extreme) would have you routinely smashing your head on the roof, struggling to talk on the radio and routinely applying MASSIVE control inputs to maintain anything resembling level flight. I see a few corrective inputs for roll at the start, but other than that it's mostly yawing moment caused by the gusts or shear.
80??!! That would straight up take my 152 out of the sky if it hit the wrong way
Looked like light chop and maybe mod turb. Almost every mid day flight I’ve done in Florida looks like this
If you were in severe turbulence in a Piper, you wouldn't be calling Flight Watch. You would be crying for Mamma.
Brings back memories of my first time thru weather like that. It sucks to say the least!
I would expect a little more shear with sever turbulence. Note the airspeed indicator, not really snapping around.
I did instrument training in Manhattan, KS late September. This looked like our daily training flights.
I've been in turbulence so strong the door popped open (in a Piper Comanche). Now THAT'S severe turbulence!
I am a low time yahoo GA pilot with ~3K hours and over 2,800 landings all over the country including Hawaii. I watched the entire video twice, and I didn't see anything that qualifies as "severe turbulence"....and I doubt "moderate turbulence." You don't know what "severe turbulence" is.
Calling yourself "low time" with 3k hours is a low-key humblebrag
@@aaronstestlab My CFI had 41,000 hrs. --- 3,000 is low time.
@@crfdln still humblebragging
Asked an airline captain once what his definition of severe turbulence was and he replied, "when the aircraft is shaking so bad that we can't read the instruments on the panel!". This looks gusty but not out-of-control even for a moment so not severe.
I have never landed with 80knots gusts, but normally where I fly I am very close to the sea, and the strong winds make the landing very turbulent, especially when the wind is crossed. Excellent video.
137 other comments said the same thing, but this is not severe. I'm willing to imagine that the number of pilots who encounter severe turbulence in a warrior, and the number of pilots who have encountered structural failure in a warrior, both make a circle on a venn diagram.
Not "severe" per aviation standards. Perhaps severe enough to cancel a day of practice maneuvers over Point Dume (which is what they were likely planning to do).
If it's not a Boeing... Iam not going!
This doesn't meet the criteria for moderate turbulence, let alone severe. That was mild turbulence. Also, when ATC requests a/c type, just reply P28A, they don't need POB and aircraft colour like you're going down...
with a report suggesting potentially severe turbulence ATC would want to gather as much info about the plane as possible in case it is genuinely severe i.e. loss of control which can have dire consequences. The onus is on the pilot to report conditions accurately to ATC & suggesting that the pilot should withhold information they have caused the controller to prompt for is ridiculous.
@@Eva-cs5le The controller didn't prompt for POB or aircraft colour. It's important to read back only what is asked so as not to block the frequency. My point is that the pilot shouldn't have been reporting severe turb in the first place - it's not an accurate depiction of the situation shown here.
FYI: it's important to understand what information to give to whom. FSS is a dude sitting in a control room covering a vast area. He doesn't know landmarks, and a PIREP should be passed with position (based off NAVAIDs/Airports, not visual points), altitude, temperature (if icing related), and aircraft type. Aircraft type would be like PA28/G for a cherokee with GPS as an example. For a PIREP he doesn't care about your color or trim or really much else. He wants to know where you are, what kind of airplane you're in, and what you're experiencing.
Man I'm so glad the aviation community isn't toxic or anything.
This honestly looked like a typical Summer afternoon here in Northern Nevada near the mountains. Just part of it, not fun but it is what it is.
“Do, NOT come over here” 😂😂👍
This is the kind of person who puts out an extreme turbulence PIREP lol
He still had time to talk and still be able to fly while chatting so looks like a fine day to me. Gotta try flying in South Island of New Zealand on a strong Westerly-wind day, on the Eastern side of the Southern Alps to see what does moderate turbulence feel like. Worst turbulence I have ever encountered in my life is in IMC and no control authority at all.
I flew through a moderate AIRMET tango in a 172. Videos always make it look a lot more calm. This was maybe moderate but definitely not severe.
Severe turbulence in a light training aircraft would basically mean you have lost all positive aircraft control.
Nice flying brother. Stay safe out there
I wonder what this young man will do when he actually encounters severe turbulence because this sure as heck wasn’t.
Once you said aircraft type they probably laughed. That was moderate at most. Pushed into Bravo. LOL
75% light, 25% moderate.
Too Low. He’s right in the rotor of Santa Ana winds at Santa Monica mtn range.
Thats light to moderate at best lmfao
Also I'm disappointed that everyone is paying attention to the turbulence thing. Dude said 80 knot Xwind..... that's what I'd be criticizing the most. That's WAY beyond the limitation of a piper warrior.
That's probably beyond the limitation of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701D
In Texas this is a normal day of 2 fingers on the yoke summer flying...
So in such a case do you fly higher, lower or just stay the same
In something like mountain wave turbulence, you want to climb up and away from the terrain.
@@wrokwrok Thanks for explaining to me
@@GrumpyTinashe If you are ever flying in mountainous terrain and start to experience what you think is moderate to severe, turn the plane around and do it now! In California, the west side of our coastal mountains are littered with destroyed airplanes from folks continuing into turbulence they could avoid. We have special conditions here with our Santa Anna winds blowing offshore (to name one) and crossing the mountains from east to west can get you into downdrafts on the west side (windward) side of the mountains you will not have the climb rate to overcome. If your wings are parallel to the mountain ridge and you start to think: "this could be getting into moderate/severe", turn around and go land somewhere safe. Do not continue West (in California).
@@benkanobe7500 Thanks
I've been in moderate to severe in the Rockies. I would not have been able to communicate over coms that clear (or at all), head hit the ceiling several times, passenger threw up, and it was like wrestling an alligator. Maintaining VA was another challenge in itself with the updrafts and downdrafts.
Piper Warrior great plane flew one once from Monroe Mi to Vegas and back back in 2002 had a great time.
great plane never met him
This pilot achieved his goal of getting a lot of views; this turbulence is light, occasional moderate.
Absurd drama...
Had some moderate turbulence in a 172 years ago coming in to Fullerton. 30 straight minutes or bouncing around. Ugh ... was so happy to be on the ground.
N8258S, Thank you for your Pirep's ,,,,but if its Gust to 80Kts , why did you took off ?? let the C-130 taste those conditions
If an airplane had a big fan on the front or two on the wings, those could blow air toward the turbulence to calm it down. (free idea...no guarantee)
This CFI needs to review what constitutes moderate and severe turbulence. This looks to me to be light-moderate turbulence.
This is not severe turbulence or near it. It is is continuous light to occasional "MODERATE". He would not be making this report with any confidence, he would be descending and the aircraft would be near out of control. It amazes me when I see these videos. You will tremble in a severe turbulence encounter since, there is hardly aircraft control.
I agree with you 100%. Impossible to make a radio call in Severe. Listening to SoCal Approach, I don't think he was convinced either but was doing what he must do in logging it.
I guess the only good that could come from this inaccurate video is inexperienced FI and Students will stay clear of turbulence they are not equipped by aircraft, experience, or both to be flying in.
yo thats wild! when the instructor calls a flight watch, Im shitting my pants haha jeez!
Thanks for sharing. But is 80 knots gusts a typo? I have a hard imaging that kind of weather in Southern California, let alone landing a Cherokee under those conditions.
when i went flying with a instructor it was almost as bad as this and he gave me the controls for the whole flight, it was sorta scary but wasn’t cause i knew nothing bad would happen and it was in a warrior as well. that man must have trusted me like crazy
More like he trusted his abilities to correct anything you did if need be, he was just giving you the experience.
@@LowWingFlyer yeah but everything was good and he was probably the best person i’ve flown with and said i was probably one of the better people he’s flown with
@@flymeaway1216 That’s a good comment from an instructor for sure and a big confidence booster. I was just implying that it is the instructors job to put you in that situation for your experience while they are there to assist in case you get overloaded. Awesome you got the chance to experience it.
Thats how you learn
One can see the “white horses” on the ocean below, that’s windy down there, one can imagine just how windy it is at height plus there’s the air currents moving between the mountains and the sea. Gusts of 80 kts perhaps not but definitely unpleasant flying conditions
1:37 When he says tell everyone DO NOT come over here, for some reason I keep picturing ACE Ventura telling the party guests DO NOT go in the bathroom.
If he’s calling this moderate to “severe” turbulence he’s got a real education when he actually runs into the real thing. Not even close to 80 knot gusts….
“We are getting pushed into bravo” what kind of pilot allows themself to bust airspace like that. Get control of the plane. Aviate, navigate, communicate.
That’s normal windy day conditions flying here in New Zealand. He should have taken a box of tissues with him or stayed at home with his mum.
Looks like normal flight conditions in the Balkan Mtns of Bulgaria.
Wow you in a slightly heavier plane than mine but still small so be safe with the crazy weather.
80 knots is way beyond the planes ability to handle...
I love how everyone who wasn’t in the plane with him, are trying to say that it wasn’t severe…how do you know? You weren’t in the plane. Dude said he was getting pushed into the bravo, which clearly indicates a strong updraft.
Because, when you've been in moderate/severe turbulence in a small plane, you know that your voice does not come over the radio that clear and consistent, even in mild turbulence. He may have been in a strong updraft, that's different. Imagine a small toy plane, now grab it by the fuselage and abruptly twist it left about 45 degrees, and then abruptly twist right. Those are some of the forces you will feel and can do nothing about in severe turbulence. You're fighting the controls with the yoke, and the throttle to prevent overspeed and stalling, you don't have time to mess with the PTT for a PIREP.
80 kts? I would be consulting the wind charts of this plane. I would not have flown if this was given on the weather report. Know the wind envelopes, and wca's as well as the maximum crosswind componant to not damage wing structure integrity for future flights, no stress cracks from this.
I'm a controller not a pilot while I have talked with pilots before and just from seeing wind effects on turns on a radar scope. 80knots is around a cat 2 hurricane or F1 tornado. You could not keep that thing on course at all. I've seen what 30 does to a twin otter with max passengers. It is dangerous for you to give false reports like that.
my son told me he lost 2000ft in seconds in his turbo 210---now that is severe....
Why are you out flying on a day with 80 kt wind gusts? That's asking for a wing or 2 to be torn off.
This is a nice day of flying in Arizona summers
my discover flight was in weather like this, dude had be do steep turns I was about to throw up.
His voice sunk when he said, "two souls on board" :/
It's almost always better to be on the ground missing being up there then being in the air and missing being on the ground.
It's just a little light-to-moderate, boys: no need to call souls on board :D
I think this turbulence is definitely not severe. I have a clip somewhere where I encountered severe turbulence with a PA28, it was almost impossible to control the aircraft. Completly different stuff, I will try to load it up within the next 2 weeks. This in your clip would be rather very light turbulence to a slightly bumpy flight. Haha but its a old video guess you are more experienced now.
That was moderate at best, not severe. You still had full directional control.
If you had gotten into 80kt gusts, you probably wouldn't be here to tell about it. You'd realize what severe turb meant though...
Eye of the beholder ..
I call bs too... technically severe turbulence indicates loss of aircraft control... More like moderate turbulence
Give me a break I’ve been in severe turbulence and that’s not it
Sorry this isn't severe turbulence
Were it that severe, you wouldn't even be able to talk, just trying to maintain the earth down and the sky up would demand the best from your ability. Once as a lone pilot in a 152 I took such a beating, I thought the aircraft would rip apart and I was going to die. I banged my head several times and was scared shitless. This was in clean air. I remember seriously considering continuing flying or not after that day...
I would say that’s a max of 20-25 kn
Isn't like 80 knots WELL beyond the limitations of that aircraft.
If this is severe then I'm an SR71 Captain.
I rode in worse than that with a student for fun today. That's moderate at the MOST.
you call THAT moderate to severe turbulence?? and that is not near 80 kts...you should come down here to Patagonia and learn what real turbulence and winds are...
Wow, thanks for sharing this! I was drawn in by the title and first three seconds of jostling when I heard the location and the tail number - THIS IS THE SAME BIRD I DID MY IFR TRAINING IN, AND USED TO RENT OFTEN FROM STUART AT SMO! Wow, those hours with Skyward over Pt. Dume - really takes me back... Rarely though did we ever have updrafts that strong. I hope the frame was checked really well after that one!
80kts? doesn't look like you're flying fast enough for that. 80kt gusts would stall and un-stall your plane. you should be experiencing severe losses in altitude. I've been in nothing close to that (80kt), and lost 200ft in seconds in what i have experienced, going up and down so frequently and violently you'd hit your head on teh roof at times. I've flown in worse than what this shows in a Piper Warrior, and it wasn't 80kt gusts.
She’s only been with 5 guys too, right? 😂
Camera never does turbulent conditions justice. That’s never fun, especially when your head hits the ceiling of the plane. I always think the plane will fall apart in the sky when this happens. I just stay calm, thank God I land safely and then grab a stiff drink.
this is a joke, right? this looks like it was gusting 30-35 at the most. That instructor is a clown. 80 kts my ass, too bad RUclips removed the dislike button count.
Severe turbulence? Ok Junior.
It's easy to throw stones from the cheap seats but as someone who flies a PA28R I gotta comment:
1) That wasn't severe turbulence. By the control inputs you were putting in, the aircraft's orientation relative to the horizon and the altimeter, it looked like light to moderate chop with some updrafts. It can be uncomfortable, sure, but that wasn't severe.
2) "Drifting into the bravo" and telling SMO tower about that (instead of approach) is very... not good. That's not a clearance into the bravo. You should have changed heading to remain outside or pulled power and descended to remain outside.
3) Radio etiquette needs some work (I see this was from 6y ago so no doubt the guys are much more proficient on the radio).
And while you can include remarks in your PIREP... announcing "no one come over here" is a bit melodramatic for those conditions.
Maybe not the best day for full throttle cruise at that altitude, but not remotely hazardous to flight either.
80kt gusts but a very steady speed on the ASI……