VEIKO 350mm x 600mm Square from Banggood. A WoodPeckers replacement?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- I finally bit the bullet and bought a 600mm square from Banggood (this is not sponsored).
I wanted a WoodPecker 600mm square, but I just don't feel I can spend £400.00 on a Square.
So here is my first impression of the Veiko 600mm Aluminium Square from Banggood.
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Bought thid gadget about 3 months back. I bought it on this very positive review. The square is a perfect right angle. I stood the square on top of my cast iron table saw and used an angle finder to measure the angle precisely. It was not 89.9°,it was spot on 90°. Couldn't be happier.
Just picked one up off your recommendation! Appears to be bang on right out of the box. Hopefully this allows me better squareness with my track saw. I also picked up the parallel guides as well.
I first learnt about Veiko tools from the Manor Wood channel. I put a toe in the water with a small ruler and small square. I put them against my large Woodpeckers square (which I’d don’t use for anything but a quick test piece) and they were looked good. I did the double flip over test and it was good (by which I mean any discrepancy was likely to be an issue with the angle at which I was holding my marking knife). Since then, I have bought maybe a dozen Veiko tools and none have disappointed me in any way. A few years later and they are still as accurate as ever.
So, why the discrepancy in price? Given that the price of aluminium is a global price - that’s not a factor; given that the pieces are made on a CNC and the cost of the labour element is therefore small - that’s not a factor. So, I don’t see that costs have much to do with it.
The major differences that I can see are:
- % profit for Woodpeckers
- % profit for the retailer
The retailer has to make a profit and I use the better UK retailers all the time. But Veiko seem to be able to make things work by having no retailer. My instinct about the Woodpecker marketing strategy is that they have decided to go for a defined market share achievable at extremely high cost; they could sell a lot more at a lesser price but that equation of more sales for less profit is what they have decided. Of course, the loser in this is the woodworker has have seen the marketing and pays an exorbitant amount to have that woodpecker brand.
The one downside of Veiko is that it’s made in China. I despise the Chinese government and all it stands for; it means repression; it means genocide; it means aggression. It’s wealth has been built on the backs of cheap labour although the cost of labour in China is rising. Whilst China has that wealth, it is busy buying influence in some countries; it is buying companies which own raw material supplies - totally similar to what the British did when it had an empire and what the USA does. However:
- many of the brands that we think of as American or British or European are making some or all of their ranges in China anyway
- are brands taking advantage of the fact that some don’t like buying from China to maintain high prices for their goods?
Hi Theo, I pretty agree with your comments. The tools are fantastic, the price is fantastic, but the origin leaves a taste in the mouth. 👍
I agree but we have all accepted having our oil price determined by OPEC for decades without losing our hair over the human rights record of some of its members. I'm just saying.
I think you will find a lot of RUclipsrs toolwalls bedecked with free Woodpecker Product to help the illusion that they are somehow unique in their quality.
@@Dickie2702 I’m afraid that we all forget integrity when it suits us. Just look at how many items in our houses are made using cheap labour and/or made in dictatorships. My house would be a lot emptier If I were to throw away items made in those countries. That extends to items, such as cars, that might be made in Germany, Spain or wherever but components, even components of components are made in China.
So, I’m hypocritical. I write about despising them but I buy items from there. I either go without or pay absurd prices for something no better but costing a lot more. Currently, China is acting as the bank for the USA. The deficit of the USA is mind blowing and a lot is owed to China. Now, when you owe the bank a £100, you have a problem; when you owe the bank £3 trillion, the bank has a problem. I don’t see a happy ending between these two.
@@theofarmmanager267 Respect your honesty sir. We all lose perspective from time to time.
Tough times ahead for us all I fear.
Thanks for showing this square or ruler just how you want to use it. This one is heading my way too.
I have bought a lot of woodworking stuff from Banggood myself and I am really happy with it.
Hi Bronco, you're going to be really pleased with this one if it arrives in the same condition as mine. Must admit am really tempted to order some more Veoco kit now. 👍
make no mistake, G … we here in the States are pretty generally not happy at Woodpeckers pricing … the quality is beyond reproach, but the cost (and wait times) are a major deterrent …
Hi Marino, totally agree, fantastic tools, just over priced. 👍
Yeah the price of woodpeckers is really out of control. About the only time I think I will ever buy one is if I find one used at a great price but so far I have not.
Just saying fyi, If you listen at 2:15, you put those two scratches into the square with your wedding band. Still useful information, I guess they do scratch rather easily.
It does sound like it, but twas a really light touch so if it did then like you say 'Scratch easy' 😢
Hi Graham. Thanks for the review, the quality looks A1 and the accuracy is. No import duty as well, I've been stung in the past by customs for USA imported goods, it puts me off. Tony
Hi Tony, as have I, it always felt a bit lottery like. Better now that I know about the threshold. 👍
Very good review. I have recently ordered the 300mm version after seeing the review on Casual DIY. Thank you.
Hi John, I must admit I'm tempted to order that myself. 👍
400 pounds seems absolutely mental for the woodpecker version
I know, I would have loved to have it but that's nearly a gallon of fuel! 🤣👍
I look forward to seeing update videos on this square. I too went back and forth between buying Woodpecker or Veiko. Ultimately I went with Woodpecker on a much smaller model. But if your follow ups paint a better picture I might look to save some money my next time out.
Hi Fyrfyr, no probs. I'll let you know...👍
It does look like a serious piece of kit, i have just bought the veiko 600mm t-ruler and that has some weight to it as well, i think i paid £26 and it is also spot on square so i was a happy chap in somerset , the slight marks on it maybe due to you rubbing your hand along the top as you can hear your ring scrapping roughly where you pointed out, also liked and subscribed
Hi Sandman, thank you. I musty admit I've been looking at their other kit, I may be forced to invest a little. 😁
@@GTWoodshop There a chap on youtube who reviews alot of banggood tools he is called bisch basch bosch
Very nice!
Seems good will have to check it out... those 2 little scratches actually sounded like they could have come from your ring when you wiped it right at the beginning!, but of course only you would know thanks
Hi KW, good point, I don't think so but a possibility. Even with them I'm still delighted. 👍
@@GTWoodshop I call such "mishaps" with a new item a "Christening" ... a welcomed occurrence. 👍
On the note of rings and woodworking you should probably wear a silicone brands. I know no one ever thinks they will have an accident with their solid rings but better safe than sorry in the shop in my opinion.
Veiko is actually my name
2:23 I wonder if those two slight scratches were caused by your ring at 2:15
Hi Mick, it did sound like it didn't it. 👍
I don't even do woodwork and I want one! ;0)
Hi Flashtoone, it is lovely isn't it? 👍
Great review. The do seem to make/supply some nice tools. At the prices it means you can get a lot more for your money. (Provided it is accurate)
The other thing I have found is the items are delivered without post office tax bill. ???
Hi Barry, yes indeed, hard to ignore or turn a blind eye to. By post office tax do you mean import duty?👍
@@GTWoodshop Yes, some how from China they seem to have sorted the shipping and duty. In my experience from US or Canada items get stopped by Parcel Force for duty, collection charges and vat on all including services provided outside UK. They some time increase the cost dramatically.
This makes Incra, Jessem, Woodpecker and the like expensive in service cost.
Interesting I purchased a plan from Bridge City (now Harvey Industries), it was shipped in from China straight to the door!
@@barrydoxseyuk Hi Barry, I looked up the duty tariffs on the gov website. If you keep total order value below £135.00 it will not attract import duty. So keep your orders small. 👍
Bargin!! Far too big for my needs.....But have you bought any other VEIKO products from Banggood as it looks as if they have an equal to every woodpecker item.
Hi Graham, absolutely not, proceed with due care! This item was perfectly square.
Have you not considered using a rail square, they seem ok and you get to use up to your longest rail
Hi Allan, yes I have two, and one of which if the Festool. I feel they too are over priced, and don't give a large enough reference fence to cope with the leverage from the rail. Also the square overs more uses that just the rail square. 👍
Scratches on the surface ... I heard your wedding ring scrape along the surface as you wiped over it with your hand!! It looks like a serious piece of kit, but sadly a little expensive for a bit of aluminium in my view ... I'll may however purchase one of their 300mm squares.
Is there any problem in marking accurately due to the thickness of the square, i.e. would it have been easier if the markings had been carried over to the edge of the tool.
Thanks for the review :)
Hi Barry, yes there is, the Alu is to thick to be able to use accurately, if the markings had been continued around the side the tool would have been more useful. 👍
@@GTWoodshop Thanks for the update ... a bevelled edge would work, but then you could only use the square on one side then!
If money wasn't part of the equation, I'd buy one just to hang on the wall and look good :)
You only tested the outside edge of the long leg, not the inside.
I have a smaller carpenter's square that is square on the outside, but not on the inside. So I suggest you check that too.
Hi Morten, good point. I'll check that out tomorrow and leave a message. Thank you. 👍
Hi Morten, I can confirm that the inside edge is 'as square and straight' as the outside edge. 😁👍
Looks great. How long did it take to arrive from ordering ?
Hi Paul, 14 days. 😁👍
Hi there, is it still square?
Yes it is. 👍
I had or have a woodpeckers tee square and it is not square. So something less expensive is worth looking at.
This is definitely worth a try Neelam. 👍
Hi Graham. Are the graduations along the edges etched into the aluminum or just painted?
Hi Dan, I'll check for you today. 👍
Hi Dan, they appear exactly the same as my Woodpecker squares. Under a 10x magnifying glass they both have 'etch' lines. 👍
@@GTWoodshop thank you for checking.
Is it still holding up 5 months later?
Hi Ben, this particular square is still accurate and I'm still pleased with it. Although I don't think I'll try any more of their tools. See my later vid on the adjustable T Square.
@@GTWoodshop oh I’ll watch it now. That was the other tool I wanted to get from them so I’m interesting in your findings. I’ll check it out now.
400 pounds/euros for a square is nearly ridiculous. A Makita sliding miter saw costs 250 euro and it's got a lot more complexities than an aluminum square.
Why is England using Metric? America still very much Imperial.