XFCE + Wayland is going to cause some serious shakedown in the Linux world. For those who know Xfce, its no joke. Its basically like Ash from the Evil Dead franchise.
Re: Cinnamon new force quit dialog: one problem with such an implementation is - GNOME apps (i.e. CSD apps). To show a "force quit dialog", the window manager needs to understand that you are trying to close the app, and if the wm/compositor doesn't control the close button, it doesn't have a good way to identify that. The way this is implemented in Plasma is that once a CSD app stops responding to input events (delivered by the compositor), the compositor starts to capture clicks on an predetermined area at the top right of the window (i don't remember if they draw a new close button there, I'll check later) and if it detects a click again - it will show the "force quit" dialog. The result is that if a CSD app freezes, you need multiple clicks on the close button, over a period of several seconds, to get the dialog, and thats annoying. Add that to the long list of reasons why CSD is bad.
Cool news this week! I'm a GNOME user, but XFCE was my first DE while messing around with my Raspberry Pi before fully switching to Linux, so I have a very soft spot for it. As for the Mozilla stuff... I love Firefox, but Mozilla's management is a dumpster file, they realistically have only one job: not be Google! ...and yet, they keep missing the mark, I don't even know how
I suspect Linux Mint will keep it since they currently have the last 2 previous themes still there but on cinnamon itself that might be a thing for the distribution to do but it should be possible
@@michael_tunnell I only just started using Mint so I'm not super aware of what I can do to increase customization of it. So far there's only one thing keeping it from being perfect for me, which is folders not showing previews of thumbnails of images inside said folders. It's an odd complaint I've found nowhere online at all so I'm guessing it's just not a thing anyone else cares about.
02:42 A lot of major changes? To XFCE? Not really. In fact that’s a good thing! This is a successful case of slow incremental improvements. Whereas Gnome and KDE are completely unrecognizable every 5 or 6 years, and always have lingering stability and performance issues as a consequence
XFCE needs 1. a more eye pleasing default theme 2. wayland support 3. It has all the apps for individual settings (network, display etc) why not create a single pane that will have those apps to be opened from there to make life easier I never understood. They don't have to be integrated like KDE/Gnome in that central pane, just to have them there so you can easily find what you look for Is Mint/Cinammon wants to look like gnome?
I agree with all of those points on Xfce, 1 & 3 more so because Wayland is coming ands is needed but the other two are things that can be solved prior to Wayland so I’d fix those first
With CachyOS Proton and Heroic... you can select Proton-CachyOS over wine out of the box. Works like a charm... might even be slicker then Steam itself.
Ooh excited for both xfce and cinnamon. Been using Cinnamon forever when I use a de...i also like xfce and kda but just usually want to save space💀 gotta fix that lol
Xfce 4.20! My place of work is still using Xfce 4.12, with copyright dates of 2014! Granted it's a very stripped version (Red Hat) that is essentially nothing more than a shell to run web apps, but still...
Actually, I respect the way XFCE does versioning, long game here is a way more honest and trustworthy towards end-users. For sure, mor ethan the B.S. the Gnome Foundation does, basically changing major number every six months with no vivid improvements, nor innovation, just for the sake of big number game. It's stupid. Gnome's Laggard.
I think you’re right but Xfce was bumped up to 4.x because of moving to GTK 2 and they have already moved to GTK 3 and are adding Wayland support and other justifiable reasons to bump the number 😎
Hearing that the Pine Note is going to be Gnome based with custom extensions kills any and all excitement I had for it. I don't begrudge people who use Gnome, but it's just a fact that it's extremely hard to work with when you want to use it for something outside of it's intended purpose. The software is going to be buggy, annoying to use because it's going to be full of workarounds, and get updates very infrequently as the developer has to rewrite all of the extensions every time Gnome gets an update.
I think that just depends on the software available for the PineNote. For example if Calibre works on it then it should be able to do it just fine. Quick note, Pine64 is the name of the company making the PineNote
I've had the force quite applet icon on my task bar in Mint Mate for years, it's one of the first icons I add after a new install so I'm not sure how new this is??
This is for cinnamon not mate desktop but also this is to automatically present the option to force quit instead of futilely waiting to see if it will recover or not.
4:20 why cant you just Add Non steam game? I do that all the time to run games with proton...works fine? i never understood the point of Lutris, Bottles, heroic games blah blah...just a bunch of pointless bloat.
Lutris predates Steam on Linux, Lutris is also a tool for emulation which won’t work in Steam without a lot of messing around and some emulators don’t work in Steam at all. Heroic is for Epic Games which last I checked none of their games support Steam, could be wrong here Bottles is for WINE wrapping and packaging and separation of multiple versions of wine so you can run stuff that depends on different versions at the same time
This is not what happened, Mozilla reverted the action and it has only to do with uBlock Origin Lite, it doesn’t even really make sense to use on Firefox when uBlock Origin full version is supported still so it’s more of just a misstep in how they manage extension reviews. The real main uBlock Origin has not been affected and is still in the store
Mozilla Firefox does support uBlock Origin this is about the weaker unnecessary uBlock Origin Lite. The Lite version is a requirement on Chrome because Google is nerfing ad blockers in Chrome. This is not the case in Firefox. Firefox still supports the real full uBlock Origin. Also there are not really plenty of good browsers out there in my opinion. If a browser is based on Chromium then they are just adding to the power of Google. Something based on Firefox would be good but there’s not a lot of those. There’s really not a good alternative outside of that so Firefox is really the only true competition in terms of vs Google
well he did come back afterwards. uBlock Origin is his and has been since the beginning. It was weird to drop out of uBlock like he did back in the day though
I would agree with @ShadowManceri that it is a strong statement. Manjaro released a new Immutable edition 2 months ago, launched a redesign of their website 3 months ago, and added a new CTO 6 months ago. I don't think it is close to dead, bad at building hype, yea but not dead. Side Note: @ShadowManceri the rankings on DistroWatch don't really mean anything. DistroWatch is good for a lot of reasons but that ranking list is a bad thing because they make people think it is some kind of judgment ranking and when it is solely just about how many hits a distro's page is getting on the DistroWatch website and nothing more. It could be called a "trending" list if they wanted but Ranking is a bad term. MX Linux has been at #1 since 2018 and is it the #1 distro for a solid 6 years? Nah. It is likely the distro that links people to their DistroWatch page the most though.
@@michael_tunnell I'm fully aware that Distrowatch isn't some all-knowing authority. But we don't really have anything better to go by. DW also tends to favor more exotic distros since the people who visit DW are more likely to use them. (Similar to how Steam has a strong bias toward gamers.) It also relies on user-agent string parsing, which not every browser or distro configures (Insert here a rant how user-agent should be removed). That said, DW is still a good indicator of what's popular. For example, saying that something is "dead" while it's trending is the opposite of that. On the other hand, if a distro is at position 60 and its trend is declining, that's a strong sign it's dying. People are abandoning it. Nobody really uses DOS anymore, so it's "dead," but we also know it's still getting updates, so it likely has some users (mainly due to old games rather than running it as a primary OS). If a platform like RUclips were to reveal these kinds of stats, they would probably be far more accurate-at least for Western home desktop usage. I specify "home" because work usage could be restricted, for example. This also introduces a bias toward mobile devices since, if desktop access is restricted at work, people may turn to their phones instead. So, you might see a higher percentage of phone users who would have used something else if they could. I also say "Western" because countries like China have many of their own services, which isn't a trivial number to be ignored. Every service has its biases, whether based on geography, political views, or something else. Minorities also tend to be more active and vocal, which adds another layer of bias when counting hits. So yes, Distrowatch is far from perfect. If you can show me a better alternative, I'll gladly use it. Personally, I take all of this with a huge jug of salt, considering that 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.
give xfce another 5 years and you might see 5.0 .... then again this is just like GIMP imo , going to GTK3 , when GTK5 is eventually going to get a release perhaps next year?
@@sharkuel xfce is indeed nice, but i am not to keen on the xml setup , and adding/removing menu entries is kind of a pain.. yes right now i am on kde , but i would like to either go to cinnamon or better yet LXQT
@JTCPingas yes it was planned for a while but they never gave an exact date for the release. It is expected to be by the end of the year but at this point I don’t think anyone is holding their breath on this one.
man firefox sucks. they need to add a way to remove the annoying tab side scroller thinge where you have to push a button to scroll your fucking tabs. why cant they just have a toggle for it?
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This week's news I'm most excited for is the XFCE update. In it's current version, it is already one of the most underrated DEs out there.
XFCE + Wayland is going to cause some serious shakedown in the Linux world.
For those who know Xfce, its no joke. Its basically like Ash from the Evil Dead franchise.
Nice metaphor dude!
XFCE on Wayland would be my go-to, at least until Cosmic is truly usable. The XFCE bar on wlroots compositors would also go hard af.
Re: Cinnamon new force quit dialog: one problem with such an implementation is - GNOME apps (i.e. CSD apps). To show a "force quit dialog", the window manager needs to understand that you are trying to close the app, and if the wm/compositor doesn't control the close button, it doesn't have a good way to identify that. The way this is implemented in Plasma is that once a CSD app stops responding to input events (delivered by the compositor), the compositor starts to capture clicks on an predetermined area at the top right of the window (i don't remember if they draw a new close button there, I'll check later) and if it detects a click again - it will show the "force quit" dialog. The result is that if a CSD app freezes, you need multiple clicks on the close button, over a period of several seconds, to get the dialog, and thats annoying. Add that to the long list of reasons why CSD is bad.
I see Cinnamon wants to look like Gnome now.
Greetings from Brazil! So good watch you every week. I really like linux.
Thanks for the news!
XFCE would be the perfect fit for Debian by default.
How dare you spy on the installation I run on my ancient laptop!
Umu sounds like a game changer for playing humble bundle games on lower spec devices
Cool news this week! I'm a GNOME user, but XFCE was my first DE while messing around with my Raspberry Pi before fully switching to Linux, so I have a very soft spot for it. As for the Mozilla stuff... I love Firefox, but Mozilla's management is a dumpster file, they realistically have only one job: not be Google! ...and yet, they keep missing the mark, I don't even know how
You could have always run the applications trough Steam by adding it as a non-Steam game in your library.
That’s true and cool but this might make other things possible like embedding proton support for an app in a Flatpak 😎
:O it's nice to see progress on the pinenote, specially considering that my favorite epaper tablet maker (onyx) is a gpl violator xD
oh which company is the GPL violator? I was looking into other companies for this as well prior to the PineNote news this week
The mint changes to style are very GNOME 47 LibAdwaita, styling including the change to notification boxes.
That’s true there are some similarities between the two
2:30 They probably wanted to do the funny number 420, blaze it!
"Up in smoke - that's where my money goes..."
been making extensive use of umu protonfixes for star citizen, very handy to have something that rechecks everything every time a game starts
I hate modern themes, I hope there's a way to keep the old one. Rounded corners can eat it.
I suspect Linux Mint will keep it since they currently have the last 2 previous themes still there but on cinnamon itself that might be a thing for the distribution to do but it should be possible
@@michael_tunnell I only just started using Mint so I'm not super aware of what I can do to increase customization of it. So far there's only one thing keeping it from being perfect for me, which is folders not showing previews of thumbnails of images inside said folders. It's an odd complaint I've found nowhere online at all so I'm guessing it's just not a thing anyone else cares about.
Xfce changed as little as possible for 21 years to make a 420 joke. Xfce is the best because it's so consistent.
02:42 A lot of major changes? To XFCE? Not really. In fact that’s a good thing! This is a successful case of slow incremental improvements. Whereas Gnome and KDE are completely unrecognizable every 5 or 6 years, and always have lingering stability and performance issues as a consequence
I'm confused, I smashed the like button. However, I can't find the smash button.
XFCE needs
1. a more eye pleasing default theme
2. wayland support
3. It has all the apps for individual settings (network, display etc) why not create a single pane that will have those apps to be opened from there to make life easier I never understood. They don't have to be integrated like KDE/Gnome in that central pane, just to have them there so you can easily find what you look for
Is Mint/Cinammon wants to look like gnome?
I agree with all of those points on Xfce, 1 & 3 more so because Wayland is coming ands is needed but the other two are things that can be solved prior to Wayland so I’d fix those first
@@michael_tunnell indeed, and I think both of those are relatively easy to be fixed and not too much time consuming
With CachyOS Proton and Heroic... you can select Proton-CachyOS over wine out of the box. Works like a charm... might even be slicker then Steam itself.
version 4.20 -- "...budding...", "...high hopes...", "...not to be blunt...", haha
LoL
👍Michael!
Mozilla does everything in its power to destroy Firefox, it's almost like they want to get out of the browser market
Ooh excited for both xfce and cinnamon. Been using Cinnamon forever when I use a de...i also like xfce and kda but just usually want to save space💀 gotta fix that lol
I cannot unsee this so I shall just call it the UwU launcher XD
Yes 😂
Xfce 4.20! My place of work is still using Xfce 4.12, with copyright dates of 2014! Granted it's a very stripped version (Red Hat) that is essentially nothing more than a shell to run web apps, but still...
Oh wow! Even with Red Hat’s 10 year support cycle, that is still a bit too old even for a web kiosk lol
Actually, I respect the way XFCE does versioning, long game here is a way more honest and trustworthy towards end-users. For sure, mor ethan the B.S. the Gnome Foundation does, basically changing major number every six months with no vivid improvements, nor innovation, just for the sake of big number game. It's stupid. Gnome's Laggard.
GE talked about umu a long while back, didn't he? Glad it's finally out.
We talked to him about it on my podcast a few months ago but it was in experimental status then. This is the first full release of the project
@@michael_tunnell Yeah, I watched that episode 2 weeks ago. Very good episode indeed.
if xfce uses semantic versioning, it makes sense to stay at 4.x to remain consistent on the part of major numbers only on breaking changes
I think you’re right but Xfce was bumped up to 4.x because of moving to GTK 2 and they have already moved to GTK 3 and are adding Wayland support and other justifiable reasons to bump the number 😎
We all know major version number updates happen every 50 years
Love you bro, thanks for the videos
Hearing that the Pine Note is going to be Gnome based with custom extensions kills any and all excitement I had for it. I don't begrudge people who use Gnome, but it's just a fact that it's extremely hard to work with when you want to use it for something outside of it's intended purpose. The software is going to be buggy, annoying to use because it's going to be full of workarounds, and get updates very infrequently as the developer has to rewrite all of the extensions every time Gnome gets an update.
Is Pine64 also an e-reader?
I think that just depends on the software available for the PineNote. For example if Calibre works on it then it should be able to do it just fine. Quick note, Pine64 is the name of the company making the PineNote
I've had the force quite applet icon on my task bar in Mint Mate for years, it's one of the first icons I add after a new install so I'm not sure how new this is??
This is for cinnamon not mate desktop but also this is to automatically present the option to force quit instead of futilely waiting to see if it will recover or not.
At least wait for 4.20.69 before making 5
4:20 why cant you just Add Non steam game? I do that all the time to run games with proton...works fine? i never understood the point of Lutris, Bottles, heroic games blah blah...just a bunch of pointless bloat.
Lutris predates Steam on Linux, Lutris is also a tool for emulation which won’t work in Steam without a lot of messing around and some emulators don’t work in Steam at all.
Heroic is for Epic Games which last I checked none of their games support Steam, could be wrong here
Bottles is for WINE wrapping and packaging and separation of multiple versions of wine so you can run stuff that depends on different versions at the same time
Huh, so Google's lapdog, Mozilla is coming to heel. Who would've thunk that someone paying 90% of a company's budget would have any influence..
This is not what happened, Mozilla reverted the action and it has only to do with uBlock Origin Lite, it doesn’t even really make sense to use on Firefox when uBlock Origin full version is supported still so it’s more of just a misstep in how they manage extension reviews. The real main uBlock Origin has not been affected and is still in the store
Mozilla is not what it was 10+ years ago. Time to move on, there are plenty of good browsers with transperency, and support ublock origin 😅
based on ... Firefox.
Mozilla Firefox does support uBlock Origin this is about the weaker unnecessary uBlock Origin Lite. The Lite version is a requirement on Chrome because Google is nerfing ad blockers in Chrome. This is not the case in Firefox. Firefox still supports the real full uBlock Origin.
Also there are not really plenty of good browsers out there in my opinion. If a browser is based on Chromium then they are just adding to the power of Google. Something based on Firefox would be good but there’s not a lot of those. There’s really not a good alternative outside of that so Firefox is really the only true competition in terms of vs Google
Muffins kick cupcakes asses!😆
lol yea they do!
@@michael_tunnell 👍👍👍🤪
At least Gorhill didn't quit like he did with the original uBlock.
well he did come back afterwards. uBlock Origin is his and has been since the beginning. It was weird to drop out of uBlock like he did back in the day though
Is glorious eggroll of Samoan heritage? Awesome!
Tbh I thought he was filipino just from looking at him
Manjaro is literally dead, befor eit use to be one of the most popular distros.
That is strong statement when it is in top 6 distros.
I would agree with @ShadowManceri that it is a strong statement. Manjaro released a new Immutable edition 2 months ago, launched a redesign of their website 3 months ago, and added a new CTO 6 months ago. I don't think it is close to dead, bad at building hype, yea but not dead.
Side Note: @ShadowManceri the rankings on DistroWatch don't really mean anything. DistroWatch is good for a lot of reasons but that ranking list is a bad thing because they make people think it is some kind of judgment ranking and when it is solely just about how many hits a distro's page is getting on the DistroWatch website and nothing more. It could be called a "trending" list if they wanted but Ranking is a bad term. MX Linux has been at #1 since 2018 and is it the #1 distro for a solid 6 years? Nah. It is likely the distro that links people to their DistroWatch page the most though.
@@michael_tunnell I'm fully aware that Distrowatch isn't some all-knowing authority. But we don't really have anything better to go by. DW also tends to favor more exotic distros since the people who visit DW are more likely to use them. (Similar to how Steam has a strong bias toward gamers.) It also relies on user-agent string parsing, which not every browser or distro configures (Insert here a rant how user-agent should be removed). That said, DW is still a good indicator of what's popular. For example, saying that something is "dead" while it's trending is the opposite of that. On the other hand, if a distro is at position 60 and its trend is declining, that's a strong sign it's dying. People are abandoning it. Nobody really uses DOS anymore, so it's "dead," but we also know it's still getting updates, so it likely has some users (mainly due to old games rather than running it as a primary OS).
If a platform like RUclips were to reveal these kinds of stats, they would probably be far more accurate-at least for Western home desktop usage. I specify "home" because work usage could be restricted, for example. This also introduces a bias toward mobile devices since, if desktop access is restricted at work, people may turn to their phones instead. So, you might see a higher percentage of phone users who would have used something else if they could. I also say "Western" because countries like China have many of their own services, which isn't a trivial number to be ignored.
Every service has its biases, whether based on geography, political views, or something else. Minorities also tend to be more active and vocal, which adds another layer of bias when counting hits.
So yes, Distrowatch is far from perfect. If you can show me a better alternative, I'll gladly use it. Personally, I take all of this with a huge jug of salt, considering that 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.
@@michael_tunnell mx linux is ehh, nobody really use it but still on no. 1 for 6 years
@@michael_tunnell from dead I mean its popularity is dead, not the development.
Mozilla may be the worst run organization there is. A branding change is not going to change or help that.
give xfce another 5 years and you might see 5.0 .... then again this is just like GIMP imo , going to GTK3 , when GTK5 is eventually going to get a release perhaps next year?
All I want is Wayland on it and I will drop KDE as fast as possible.
Wasn't gimp 3 supposed to be out already or very soon?
@@sharkuel xfce is indeed nice, but i am not to keen on the xml setup , and adding/removing menu entries is kind of a pain.. yes right now i am on kde , but i would like to either go to cinnamon or better yet LXQT
@breadmoth6443 you are probably right at this rate. What’s another 5 years when it’s already been 21 years lol
Why is LXQt “better yet”?
@JTCPingas yes it was planned for a while but they never gave an exact date for the release. It is expected to be by the end of the year but at this point I don’t think anyone is holding their breath on this one.
3:07 😮😮😮
man firefox sucks. they need to add a way to remove the annoying tab side scroller thinge where you have to push a button to scroll your fucking tabs. why cant they just have a toggle for it?
I’m not sure what you mean, you can scroll the tab bar with the scroll wheel. This is what I do
I'm not sure what your complaint is but check out zen, based on firefox but actually under heavy developement and allows a lot of UI changes.