"Good there will someone left to raise them" the delivery from Elizabeth is so spot on and genuinely so sinister. She really eased right in to the supervillain role.
Dr strange possessing his own dead body from a different dimension while cloaked in the souls of the damned is the most Sam Raimi thing to ever exist and I love it so much.
"Just because someone stumbles and loses their way, doesn't mean they are lost forever" is fanservice in a movie literally based in fanservice, and yet it still choked me up in theaters.
@@theilluminatibenefactor that line, the cartoon theme during his entrance, and the yellow wheelchair. I was welling up with excitement since, since, when he wasn't in the intro shot, I thought they had cut him out of the movie, then he came out. Btw nice choice of a profile name
Tbh I didn't like it. It feels like pure fan service - it doesn't seem natural in this scene. The original is possibly my favourite movie scene. That line (and the previous line: "Sometimes we all need a little help") is about finding a reason to have hope and endure the pain of caring in a world full of human-caused suffering. That's relatable to anyone who pays attention to the modern world. In Multiverse of Madness, the line sounds like a half-arsed justification for trusting Dr Strange (or, given his telepathic powers, a completely unnecessary justification). Which makes it obvious fan service that just distracts from the scene.
Now am no movie writer or music expert but if good Strane really wanted to end that fight with 0 chance of getting countered, it would have been like Good Strange: Feel the power of Beethoven. 5th Symphony !! Sinister Strange: Good but not enough. I counter with Bach. Toccata & Fugue !! G.S: Time to end this. Take some more Beethoven !! S.S: You really think this is going to scare me ?? G.S: This time its Ode to Joy.
Actually went in completely blind, I’m in the theatre thinking “Hot dang, this director is a huuuge Raimi fan! I can feel the Raimi style throughout this.” Then I saw the credits 🤦♂️
@@mingfanzhang4600 as I repeatedly reply to Christian replies, go preach where you are wanted! I get that religion can be important to many people, but there are times and places, and online comment sections for non religious content is NOT one of them.
Same here. I've sworn off trailers for about a decade now (mainly because of MCU and the tendency to spoil half the movie in them) , love going in blind. Was also surprised with the Jim en Picard cameos, fun!
14:44 Fun fact: the theme that plays after Wanda kills Captain Carter is Wanda's original hero theme from Age of Ultron! (also composed by Danny Elfman) It's played in a minor key here, maybe to symbolize her distancing herself from the Avengers since the first hero she fought alongside was Cap, and now she killed a Cap variant, sort of severing her ties with the Avengers
Tracks to listen to side by side are: Ultron-Twins (Avengers: Age of Ultron) listen at 3:05 Illuminati vs Wanda (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness) listen at 1:40
I legitimately never realized Wanda absorbed Captain Marvel's powers in their fight. It seemed crazy that a big statue was able to crush her to death at the time. Makes sense now though! Thanks for pointing that out.
Because, and hear me out here, she might not have. It's absolutely not described, mentioned, or otherwise elucidated in the film. She could have used up all her available energy, we don't even know if she works the same way as Carol Danvers (there's behind the scenes commentary that she doesn't). So, whether or not Wanda stole her power; probably not, she doesn't use said powers, and the movie implies heavily she'd gain powers if she absorbed them from someone else, a'la America Chavez; the movie still fails to inform the audience what's going on. His praise is made up in his head because it makes the most sense to him.
@@MrEMC_ The film didn't do a very good job of conveying what was happening there. It's obvious once you've been told, but it's difficult to even catch those visuals on your first viewing. All it would've taken is one medium close up of Captain Marvel trying to use her powers and realizing they were gone before getting smooshed. Wouldn't be surprised if that part was originally longer and got cut down.
@@CaptainPikeachu Semantic Dragon's point about Wanda never using Captain Marvel's powers still stands though. If she absorbed them, why did she never use them again?
What I love about this movie is that it feels like what a Dr. Strange comic should be. Steve Ditko and Stan Lee created these comics while high on acid in the 60’s. And the transitions in this movie are not only horror homages but feel like comic panels. And don’t even get me started on the absolute acid trip of a sentence that is the description of Strange’s dreamwalking scene: “Doctor Strange possesses his own dead body from another universe and then uses the souls of the dammed to make a cape so that he can fly to Wundigor Mountain to fight the Scarlet Witch to save Wong and America Chavez”
Elizabeth Olsen’s acting was the highlight of this film for me. The fact that I still sympathized with Wanda after everything she did is a testament to her acting chops
then the director did a great job because in an interview the director said that they want the audience to relate and sympathize with a villain that they already love and thats what happened to all of us ❤️
I think it says more about you than it does her lol, playing with an entire village like puppets is way over the line. Murdering warrior monks who protect the world from ancient mystical threats so you can murder a child is just straight up villainous.
Another reason I thought as to why Wanda turned so quickly at the end was, when she saw how her kids looked at her, she knew that even if she got them back, she still lost them. There was no going back to how things were anymore for her.
@xacmashe3852 you say that but this has happend in many comics where a villain has a last second change of heart and in film as well, Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, Peter getting rid of the Symbiote in the comics (616 and Ultimate) and in Spider-Man 3, (not comics but Frodo throwing the ring in Mt. Doom) etc. Just because someone is under the control of something doesn't mean they can't have a last minute snap out of it moment to do a self sacrifice win but if you hate those kindas of tropes then I feel you lololol its not the best plot device at times esp with how WILD Wanda goes in this one lol its like Spider-Carnage in the 1994 show where he talks to Uncle Ben for like 3 seconds and decides to no longer destroy the multiverse lmao😂
@@BobOrton-y2l spider carnage makes sense if you consider that the person that version of peter hated most was himself (hence why he can't stand his clone either). Spider carnage was reminded for just a minute that he did have people who loved him and that none of them would want him to do what he was doing and that he didn't want it either. in the 90's spiderman the symbiotes are all out evil and bring out the worst of a person.
@@xacmashe3852 it wasn't. Watch Agents of SHIELD. A person corrupted by it is still capable of good things and redemption, like professor Radcliffe. He looked into the book but still helped the main characters in the end.
@@BobOrton-y2l Not to mention Agents of SHIELD literally demonstrated years prior to this movie that the one possessed by Darkhold is able to redeem themselves and still do good.
Here's a win you missed: the 838 Tommy and Billy were watching an Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoon instead of a micky mouse cartoon. Could that imply that Oswald never faded into obscurity in 838?
i think MoM had the best stylization of an mcu movie in a while. it really felt like a comic book on the screen. its script was the right balance of corny/fun, the scenes with wanda at kamar taj was so exciting. i just think being called multiverse of madness, and only seeing 2 other universes, all serving the same plot, and being released right after the fan fav everything, everywhere, all at once, which did 5 different plot lines at the same time, didnt help it one bit
@@ninjanibba4259 I suggest you read what they wrote again. They're saying that the fact MoM released right alongside Everything really didn't help, since it had a direct parallel to be compared to.
@@ninjanibba4259 they literally said that the movie did 5 plot points all at once and used the multiverse concept much better then MOM so it coming out before MOM didn’t do MOM any favors as they said
I honestly believe BLACK BOLT using is supersonic voice to kill SUPREME STRANGE is also a genuine apology to everybody who watched the ABC Inhumans show and thought it's shit.
What sold me on Wanda as the villian, is Mrs. Olsens acting, the script, or both. I don’t think Wanda believes herself when she says “I’m not a monster.” She’s just so caught up in her goal to obtain her kids that she doesn’t acknowledge it. Only when they confirm her fears does she finally cave.
I didn’t catch it in the movie but it stood out in this amazing breakdown - how America saw Billy and Tommy with their mother. And how she was helping a mother missing her children when she, a child, was separated from and missing her mothers. There seems to be a symmetry there in those scenes.
For Earth 838, everyone is dressed in dark colors because the pollution in the world got so bad, the atmosphere started to break down. To combat this, Reed Richards came up with the idea of planting plants on buildings and everywhere possible to create more oxygen. Everyone in the universe wears a hat and carries an umbrella because of sprinkler systems on the roofs of every building which go off very often to keep the plants alive. I think the deeper meaning for the costume styling in 838 is awesome
@@xacmashe3852 It could have been in the director's commentary or an interview or maybe borrowed from the comics. And either way, it's just a neat little fact that enhances the movie for those in the know.
Zombie Strange is visually my favorite thing in the whole MCU. The detail, the way the souls of the damned make the arms pose. The eyes when he dreamwalks into the body is the the most Raimi thing to ever Raimi
Funnily enough, Rachel McAdams has played the love interest of a time traveller five times now ("Doctor Strange 1 and 2," "The Time Traveller's Wife", "About Time" and "Midnight in Paris", yet she never gets to travel in time herself.
That's *_right!_* That _was_ her in About Time! I'd managed to completely forget about that one. Well, that's my evening's viewing decided - thanx Bud!
For those wondering why wanda turned evil; it takes YEARS to work through trauma, so even after the events of wandavision, she's mentally vulnerable, and The Darkhold corrupts people like that. It turned a non-sentient robot into a sentient one bent on world-domination. I have no problem believing it could revert her back to the Bargaining stage.
I believe it, as well, it makes sense. I guess I just wish there had been a better transition on screen, instead of having to rely on guessing what happened offscreen? At the end of Wandavision, she seemed determined not to be the bad guy. She let go of her family. To the viewer, it looks like she immediately went back on that, even if you can come up with reasons after the fact about what happened offscreen between Wandavision and MoM. Perhaps a montage of her waking up crying from seeing her sons in her dreams (instead of just the once), or a montage of her costume becoming darker as the Darkhold influences her more, or even a monologue where she really shows the pain of trying to do good and getting punished for it all the time. I don't know.
I think a lot of it comes down to how one viewed the end of WandaVision. My wife watched WandaVision, but didn't watch Doctor Strange 2. After I saw a lot of the criticisms around Wanda's arc, I asked my wife if she thought Wanda worked through her grief and was okay at the end of WandaVision. My wife said no chance, and then I explained the basic idea of DS2 (she doesn't care about spoilers for the movies) and for her, that arc made complete sense. I agreed with that view. If a viewer came out of WandaVision thinking that Wanda had worked through her grief and was okay, the change here seems abrupt.
@@kateorgera5907 Agreed. The ending of WandaVision left it open for Wanda to become more of a villain with taking and studying the Darkhold, so although it DOES still make sense, it was a bit of a shame they didn’t flesh that out a bit more before kinda just dropping her into being the villain in MoM. Because despite her ongoing issues and trauma, the ending of WV really felt like she was trying to NOT be the bad guy and willingly decided to give up her “family” because she had imprisoned Westview in the process and she recognized that was wrong, so it can then seem a bit jarring and contradictory to have made the jump offscreen to now being willing to murder countless people for her own selfish goals.
@@xger21 so true! I believe she would have got over it If not for the darkhold. She just didn't get enough time to process it all and then darkhold got to her, which amplified her grief and wanting to find her kids even more by showing her visions of her kids in other universes
@@kateorgera5907 , Wanda waking up hit me much harder the second time I watched it, in ways I'm not sure a montage could have achieved. A montage could communicate the weight better in the moment, which is useful if you don't intend to watch a movie more than once, but I think this choice had its own advantages.
1:04 That line's a callback to No Way Home. "In the grand calculus of the multiverse, their sacrifice means more than their lives" is what he says to peter about the multiversal invaders.
I think one thing I would have added about “Strange holding the knife” is part of him learned to let go of that knife during No Way Home. That line in the beginning with Defender Strange is almost word for word what our strange said to Spider-Man. I think he learned to trust America (or at least it started the process of him learning to trust) because Peter proved him wrong in No Way Home. That he doesn’t always have to be the one to make that choice. That he can learn to count on others. But that’s just my opinion 😊
I’d go even further and argue that he already learned that lesson back in his debut film, specifically when he literally handed Dr. West _the knife_ to perform surgery on The Ancient One. Am I right or am I right?
Yeah but remember that in No Way Home he removed Peter Parker from everyone's memories (including himself), so all interactions of him with Peter got cut and only the ones of him under the mask were kept. So, in a way Dr Strange still thinks he has to do all the heavy lifting but in the end he still does what his gut tells him (a little bit of the all knowing book too if he perhaps caught a glimpse of it) and trust America to save the day.
That's something some people might have a gripe with, but not me specifically: the movie makers keep on forcing him to relearn the same lesson repeatedly.
@@rasengan7738 But here's the thing, just like with MJ still wearing the Black Dahlia necklass, the idea that he learned from Spider-Man about trusting others would still be there despite him not knowing where it came from.
I realised a fun thing about Spider-Verse and Multiverse of Madness. Kingpin and Wanda are defeated in the same way, but differences in how they are defeated fascinate me. Miles inadvertently showed Kingpin that bringing his family back won't work, as Kingpin will always make the same mistake. Even worse, every possible varieant of Ruchard and Vanessa saw the side of Fisk that he tried to hide from them. America directly shows Wanda how far she had fallen, in the hopes of bringing her family back. She used Billy and Tommy to show Wanda that any attempt to bring them back using dark magic will ultimately make them turn on her. The interesting bit is that the shock of having her sons turn on her may have been enough to shock Wanda out of trying again, but unlike Fisk, only this version of Billy and Tommy turned on her. SO. The possibility exists that Wanda could try again, to grab a version of her children who never saw what she became. This fascinates and disturbs me.
I know this movie got somewhat mixed reviews but I got some praise for it 1. Sam the man Raimi directing was a big yes for me. 2. Elizabeth Olsens easily gave her best performance as Wanda. 3. The crazy psychedelic visuals turned up to 11 from the first movie. 4. Danny elfman's return for the soundtrack. 5. And of course the horror elements make this movie stand out more than most. Edit: Almost forgot the cinematography is some of the best in the MCU.
I love the horror elements. I'm not usually a fan of horror, but something about slight horror elements in superhero films really makes them good. Aquaman had those creepy sea creatures, Snydercut Justice League had DeSaad and Darkseid and the end of the universe, MoM has just...Wanda spaghetti-ing Mr Fantastic, exploding Black Bolt's head, cutting Captain Carter in half...Then going back into the past a bit we have Spider-Man 2's Doc Ock origins with the claws acting like snakes with a POV shot. Something about using Horror elements in a generally fairly tame universe just really ups the stakes and makes it feel more real. Even in the comics they're not afraid to show blood, or even kill their characters. [SPOILERS AHEAD] In the Civil War comic arc from the mid 2000s, they ......................................................................................KILLED GOLIATH USING A ROBOT THOR
My #1 no for this movie was americas character, it truly didnt feel like someone who we could sympathize with. Shes just a kid from another universe who is getting chased by someone who is truly broken. All america did in the movie was kill her mothers and almost get killed a lot of times.
When you let a director direct rather than breathe down their neck, you usually get a good result. When that director is Sam Raimi doing an MCU movie, you give him beats to hit and tell him “Have fun with the rest of it” and in classic Raimi style, he has fun with it
my favorite thing about this movie was just how much it FELT like a comic book. the corny lines, nearly nonstop action with weird-ass sequences interspersed. they managed to translate pulpy comics to the big screen without directly adapting a storyline we already knew (afaik) - like secret wars or demon in a bottle - so it just felt like a grand extension of the greatest parts of comic books. i loved every minute of it.
I think what really sells Wanda as a villain is that she fully acknowledges (not directly) that giving her America is only for the greater good because she will actively destroy the universe unless she gets her way. She is incredibly selfish and deluded, and most of her motivation in all her appearances has been revenge. It's extremely on brand when you realise that probably her first truly selfless act was killing Vision, the man she loved, and couldn't get him back, and every time she's done good things, she's the one who pays for it.
Well i would say freeing the people of Westview was also completely selfless. Even though Wanda never meant to hurt them in any way she still did. And when she realized what the hex was really doing she had a complete breakdown and immediately tried to fix it. There was nothing to be gained from it. She sacrificed everything she wanted. Her home, her husband, her kids, her happiness, everything, to save these people from a terrible fate she unintentionally brought onto them.
Yep dark hold is such a cursed book it takes very strong mental strength to overcome (if it's actually possible) and Wanda never had a strong mind so it was very easy@@mellemadswoestenburg1296
I personally think when Wanda was talking about how she was “meant to rule everything” I think she was being honest about the fact she doesn’t care about ruling the Multiverse. She does however use it as justification for what she’s doing. I.e. she thinks ‘since I’m owed the Multiverse but I’m just asking to kill two people so I can be with my kids I’m being reasonable. And thus you by denying me, a destined Multiversal ruler, what I am asking, you are being unreasonable.
Hands down, I really loved the part when both America Chavez and Doctor Strange were both traveling through the multiverse. Just from that, you can tell that they were having a bit too much fun with the CGI. Such a beautiful sequence that was added to the movie!
Should’ve been the whole movies though. It is called “multiverse of madness” and the multiverse was shown for 15 seconds. It was still cool, just underwhelming
Elizabeth Olsen's Wanda Maximoff is an acting dream role. Henchwoman, to refugee, to heroine, to small-town villain, to big-time villain, to repentant, sacrificial villain. All through a lens of pain, love, and trauma but carried on broad shoulders. Such a Shakespearean arc. Or, perhaps a (naked) Chaucerian arc. And the very best magic gestures yet committed to screen. She'll never win any prestigious awards for it, but Elizabeth Olsen gave flawless performances as every incarnation of Wanda. I really hope we haven't lost her.
I consider Wanda in WandaVision more of an anti-hero rather than a straight up villain considering she never meant to hurt anyone and was completely horrified when she found out what she was really doing but other than that, yeah totally agree. Elizabeth Olsen is an absolute Queen. Whatever emotion she needs to portray, whatever kind of direction Wanda's character takes, she NAILS it every single time. She's most definitely coming back. And now that she's most definitely gonna be a heroine again i can't wait to see her redemption arc unfold. She has truly embraced her power and the possibilities are endless.
I absolutely loved this movie. One thing I am surprised you didn't cover in it though was the recurring line of "Are you happy?", and how both Strange and Wanda both had to end up letting go of what they thought they needed to be able to start moving towards that.
I really like how this Movie explained how dreams are windows into the Multiverse which is why and how dream walking works it's a really cool concept it's so fascinating.
However, it would have been better if they linked that to Nightmare (one of the primary of Strange's enemies). Having it be linked to multiverse instead of having the Dream Dimension kinda writes him out of the MCU.
Just realized that the line Wanda said about Strange breaking the rules and becoming a hero while she’s becoming the villain might’ve also been a nod to ponytail strange. I also really like this as a movie following no way home just because that whole movie though a bit questionable in its delivery at times was in part about Stranges willingness to sacrifice others lives for the greater good vs Spiderman’s and Aunt May’s not to. I feel like it all flows really well.
I know im months late to this video but im so happy to see people that actually enjoyed this movie and im happy you did as well. Not going to pretend it was perfect by any means but all the nitpicking, complaining, and just simply people not understanding is so tiring to see. Dr. Strange has been my favorite Marvel hero even before his first movie and I absolutly love this movie even with its flaws. Very happy to be sucribed to a channel filled with so much positivity :)
11:40 I have a head cannon that when 838 Strange met Reed for the first time, he told the same joke. I think it makes the look on Reed's face deeper; instead of just laughing at some joke, he's recognizing an old friend of his and recognizing that Stephen's charm is a multiversal constant, but unfortunately, so is the havoc that he wreaks.
Despite the mixed reviews this movie got its hands down my favorite in the MCU and it’s not even close. Thank you so much for pointing out the positives unlike everybody else it feels like
There's always positives in movies even if they're relatively mixed with audiences. I for one love this film. The cinematography and visuals are top notch especially. And of course Sam raimi directing. Let's not forget the horror elements that made it more memorable.
You can imagine my shock when I finally found a video that wasn’t about all the things wrong with marvel movies/shows and the literal 5 hour long essay video people wrote to say how bad this was . I honestly can’t understand why people would make 5 HOUR LONG VIDEO just to say they don’t like the movie?
Above all else, it felt nice to have an MCU movie with this much style. Sam Raimi’s fingerprints were all over this one, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I like his explanation at the end of the darkhold being what causes Wanda to lose herself. If you watched agents of shield the corruption that takes place and her quick turn at the end makes sense because it's similar to what Fitz and pretty much anyone else who read the darkhold went through in the show.
One thing that I loved so much were the reversing yet parallel arcs between Wanda and Strange. The entirety of Strange's character, as you stated throughout, was his constant need to be "holding the knife". Always putting the outcome first, and lost his own personal life, represented by Christine, through that. He travels the multiverse and sees what dangers his obsessive dedication can bring, with Defender Strange attempting to sacrifice America, Illuminati Strange causing the incursion, and Sinister Strange destroying his universe after losing his mind over his unhappiness. Our Strange realizes his life will require more balance, that he's not a heroic machine but should shed some responsibility before his work makes him lose himself. On the other hand, Wanda pushes the boundary for her own happiness. With no regard to any greater good, she blindly pursues her children without consideration of their current happiness in illusion that its for them when it is for her. I consider myself a Wanda defender, less of an apologist, but Wanda moved towards irredeemable territory with mass murders at Kamar-Taj and killing the illuminati. But her children being scared of her pulled the veil back and she was able to realize what irresponsibility she displayed with her power and sacrificed herself(?) to eliminate any possibility of someone following her path
Wanda had nothing to lose and I think she realized that after Westview. Like if she did (which she did) try and get her kids back from another universe, and it didn’t work, she would be left by herself again, but no one that she loved will get hurt cause they’re not existent. And if it works she’s happy. But as we saw she’s like shit I need destroy the darkhold, which I think she wanted to die in that moment, but now we don’t know where she is. I hope this makes sense idk if it does.
Here are a few fun facts: Wanda and Pietro were orphaned on March 30, 1999, the day before the original Matrix came out. Both twins joined Ultron in Avengers 2, who was an A.I. program. Wanda also created a Matrix with the whole fake sitcom reality. Wanda also wore a blue shirt under a red jacket in the last episodes of WandaVision. Wanda also became the "Woman in the Red Dress" in MOM and she sealed Black Bolt's mouth the same way Smith did to Neo. Oz the Great and Powerful (2013) was the last film Sam Raimi before MOM. It also has a similar story to the Wizard of Oz. Dr. Strange is the wizard who actually is a wizard, America Chavez is Dorothy, Wanda is Theodora (the Wicked Witch of the West - both innocent girls who were tricked into turning evil), and Agatha is Evanora (the Wicked Witch of the East - who both tricked and lied to Wanda and Theodora in the first place).
Strange Prime’s arc also gets a boost from No Way Home. Defender Strange says the same multiverse/sacrifice speech Prime did in NWH. But as we saw, Strange learns from Spidey that sometimes there is another way. And that combined with Christine’s words, he learns to finally back up. There is another way to save the day. Trust the other heroes to do what they can do.
im awful with horror so my skin was crawling the entire time i was watching this in theaters. but the music note fight had me literally jumping out of my seat!! i saw it super late so i was basically pacing around in the aisle freaking out about how awesome it was! the score! the style!!! my favorite mcu moment ever
@@mackielunkey2205 bruh. You know he does more than just marvel movies… right? I mean his next video is gonna be The Batman and his prior 2 videos were Fellowship of the Ring and Matrix Resurrections. There’s no reason he wouldn’t eventually talk about probably the most beloved movie of the year dude
one thing that I loved that I feel like he missed was that this movie was about consequences, starting off with the guy in the wedding talking about how the blip affected him and Strange trying really hard not to think about how it was pretty much his fault. Nearly everything in this movie is the result of something that has been coming down the line for a while as a result of decisions (right or wrong) that our heroes made, even down to the post credits scene. I just thought that was really cool because, with the exception of Wanda's little oops in Civil War leading to that entire movie, most of it gets skated over. There are spots where we get a token nod to results of choices made in the heat of the moment but it's mostly just a scene and then we're back to quipping. In this movie one of our heroes went full villain and then died(?) and even our title character has been changed forever in a way we don't really understand yet. I hope they play with Strange's changes more than they did with removing Thor's eye in Ragnarok
I love this movie because it serves as a solid Doctor Strange sequel by continuing arcs established in the first film while also exploring new elements of the mcu without confusing major audiences. They showed just enough for a proper multiverse introduction. Loved the Illuminati and love that they had the balls to make Wanda op enough to take them all down almost immediately. Strange gets proper development through the movie being the one variant we’ve seen so far that is fully over Christine now and is fully focused on who he wants to be. I also feel like he’s controlled the third eye because he is the one Strange that is truly different as America had said. I liked Wakanda Forever more for mcu movies this year but this really was a great addition imo with all the subtle ties, musical nods, fun cameos, and the fact that it seems like everyone had fun with this even through COVID. Marvel isn’t always perfect, but I’m glad we get what we do.
It's established in wandavision; Agatha absorbs some of Wanda's mind stone enhanced chaos magic, and Wanda then shows she can do the same by absorbing Agatha's magic
the definition of a guilty pleasure movie. i know there are some pretty big issues but i can’t help but love it. the stylisation and score are everything.
No need to feel guilty! It's a-okay to like bad media as long as you know it has issues. Not to mention that this movie definitely has some surface-level redeeming qualities, like those you mentioned. Just don't financially support the writer of MoM; he's kind of a moron and had no business being given control over such incredible vfx and music production.
Even without WandaVision this movie still makes sense. Wanda’s dark side was present in Age of Ultron and she struggled a lot as an Avenger. Vision’s death hit her hard. Makes sense that at the end of it all she’d just swipe the Dark Hold Book and descend into madness.
Something that I enjoy about the MCU is that future projects can retroactively make more lackluster projects better in the future. Age of Ultron got this treatment due to the payoffs in Phase Three. With Shang-Chi bringing in the real Mandarin, Iron Man 3 could be more appreciated because of it. And the Incredible Hulk could be looked at more fondly with the return of several characters from that film years later. Films like this one, Eternals, and Love and Thunder could all get this same treatment in the future if things pay off perfectly. In Multiverse of Madness's case, it could be credited for setting up the main conflict of the Multiverse Saga (or at least one of them): the Incursions. If America has a bright future ahead of her, this film could be looked at more fondly for introducing her. And so on.
I need an Everything Great About Everything Everywhere All At Once. That was the best multiverse movie of the year for me and one of the best movies of the year so far.
1:05 Forgot to mention the parallels between this line and the line in No Way Home. No Way Home: In the grand calculus of the multiverse, their sacrifice is worth more than their lives. Multiverse of Madness: But in the grand calculus of the multiverse, your sacrifice is worth more than your life. Just a nice little detail I noticed.
I loved this movie, and was really glad to see Sam Raimi's actual style back in the big screen. Also, the mixed reaction to this movie made me realize that the only other Sam Raimi directed movie so called "Raimi fans" of my generation or younger have seen is Oz the Great and Powerful.
@@luckymo_on yes, that's my point. A lot of people call themselves "hardcore" Raimi fans, enshrine his Spider-Man trilogy but didn't recognize any of the overt and frankly unsubtle callbacks and references to Evil Dead and Darkman in Multiverse of Madness, or scoffed at how campy and cheesy it was, despite that also being his style and all over the Spider-Man trilogy.
The whole scene where they jump through about 10 different parallel universes at once felt like it was taken right out of the pages of a comic book, and I absolutely loved it!
@@iantaggart3064 First degree murder or destruction of everything that's ever existed (Including her as well. She dies either way). Easy choice. Why does do people keep acting like he's a bad guy for doing this. Wins even compares him to Wanda
Here are a few fun facts: Wanda and Pietro were orphaned on March 30, 1999, the day before the original Matrix came out. Both twins joined Ultron in Avengers 2, who was an A.I. program. Wanda also created a Matrix with the whole fake sitcom reality. Wanda also wore a blue shirt under a red jacket in the last episodes of WandaVision. Wanda also became the "Woman in the Red Dress" in MOM and she sealed Black Bolt's mouth the same way Smith did to Neo.
some ways ? She wasnt kidding when she sayd she was being reasonable ... she is walking talking Infinity gauntlet ... with a temper ... and going "tad bit" mad with grief ... if she let loose she would be ten times the threat Thanos was ... you know rewriting reality at will, no need for any gimmick glove or corny gestures...
Oh easily. If she wasn't Disney-fied at the end of MoM, she could've been the next Phase Villain; also with Hulk in She-Hulk going to...somewhere, probably Sakaar, I REALLY want to see Maestro Hulk. Mark Ruffalo even said that he's willing to keep being Hulk as long as Marvel lets him.
@@johnman8398 I mean, I wrote the comment before the end of the video, and I realize how it's not quite what I was thinking; it's just that to anyone without children (such as myself and many others who watched MoM), it didn't have too much of a punch.
You can feel the rami style from several parts. It both really surprised me because I didn't expect it and didn't surprise me because it's so alike to that style
My headtheory is that Cthon(The author of the Darkhold) wisked Wanda away because he didn't want his pet project to die. A possible storyline for the two brothers to finally establish themselves as Young Avengers and go look for her...and a another possible setup for The Midnight Sons
One thing I was hoping to see mentioned was the effectiveness of fighting fire with fire during the music battle. Trying to keep the barrage of notes away with a conventional shield was a slowly failing effort. However, a conjured musical staff caught them almost effortlessly. It was the magical equivalent of just grabbing and throwing the first thing that came to hand (the sheet music), but it also forced the other Strange to respond in kind.
Been waiting for this because when I went to see it I genuinely felt like I was the only one who enjoyed the movie everyone else was complaining so much!!
@@jaredlewis3001 yeah it's like people r always complaining that all the mcu movies follow the same formula but when they make smth different fans hate it like what?
I like the idea that the Mordo story progressed offscreen. Regardless of when the first film takes place, by Multiverse of Madness it’s somewhere around a DECADE later. Was Mordo’s plan supposed to freeze until there was a place onscreen to show it?
@@jasonwalker9471 It doesn’t matter whether Mordo was dusted or not. Because Strange was. But that’s still several years of scuffles like he’s a more threatening Team Rocket
"I also think they struggled to balance that line between full evil murderer and anti-hero mom just trying to get her kids back." A *lot* of people seem to forget about the fact that Wanda has the Darkhold, which canonically corrupts anyone who reads it. She's not just "a mom trying to get her kids back", that's just the excuse she's using to herself to explain why she's suddenly willing to maim and kill to get her way. In reality though, she's literally been turned evil (or is at least in the process of being turned evil) by one of the most powerful evil artifacts in the entire universe.
It's not a matter of forgetting. Consider that many people who watch these movies aren't comic book fanatics. We're told that the Darkhold corrupts but we haven't really seen enough of it in the cinematic universe for us to just accept two lines of dialogue saying that it does with there being no way to counteract it (especially since they go and have Strange use it himself in the same movie with little visible consequence). Plus, a number of people were invested in Wanda's storyline from WandaVision. Saying "oh she picked up this evil book and all that character development went down the drain" feels like a very abrupt turn around.
This. This is why I get so tired of the "They did Wanda dirty" comments from people. This was actually very believable. Take a grieving mom who just sort of got over the death of her soulmate, suddenly give her the idea that her kids might actually exist, and let that hope be what corrupts her into literally being willing to kill anyone, even the person that universe's version of her children would call mom, to have them. That is why America giving her what she wants and forcing her to truly see the monster she had become in their eyes helped snap her out of it. It showed her the lies the Darkhold had been telling her. It showed her that these kids were never going to be hers.
@@AZRockslide42 While I still found that ending somewhat dissatisfactory, I will say that I agree with all the comments being made about "ruining her character", they really didn't because it wasn't fully her most of the time.
@@Shirospyre I agree to a point, though if you watched the Agents of SHIELD TV Series, the Darkhold was the main plotline of Season....3, I think? Which is why I was a lot more willing to accept it, since I recognised the Darkhold and remembered the shit it pulled in AoS. xD
I stg, the chill that went down my spine when I heard that light 90's X-men riff as THE wheelchair hovered in... it was amazing in theaters and still grabbed me here, and I don't even have core memories about that one the way I do the 90s spidey cartoon.
Scarlet Witch's 'madness' has been an aspect of her character... that's been pushed upon her by *the authors.* The means by which she overcame herself was insufficiently awesome compared to the *glorious* way Vision found a mutually beneficial solution, healing White Vision's mind and giving Ghost Vision a legacy. Good Guy Necromancy is a _rare_ thing, so it's always a win.
I always appreciate the work this channel does, both because it serves to defend against the haters as well as let's me better appreciate movies that I couldn't fully get behind. In this movie's case I had a real suspension of disbelief problem with the initial premise due to Wanda-Vision, if Wanda is a Nexus (multiverse constant), then the themes and patterns in her lives should be similar across universes, it doesn't mean that they are the same in every universe just a "like poetry it rhymes" type thing. Wanda says that this is the only universe she doesn't have kids which is confusing, because that would imply that she has some multiverse soulmate that she keeps meeting to have kids with to form this particular set of twins who themselves would always be part of their lives. Yet we never find out who the kids father is and we never find out what difference there is in the 616 universe that makes it the singular exception among an infinite number of variations. It's only when I can let go of the fact that this movie doesn't have a coherent inciting incident (the Darkhold driving her crazy to get her kids doesn't matter if she should have her kids by Wanda-Vision's logic) that I can appreciate what it does well, and videos like this one help me appreciate just what parts of the movie are done well. The characters work in general, Strange's arc, the cameos, sound design, creative visuals, etc. There's a lot to love, but it's certainly taken a lot of time for me to look past the nitpicks I have with the movie to accept the good with the bad and acknowledge that no movie will be perfect.
It's weird when the biggest problem I have with this movie is that Strange and America somehow didn't need to pay to use the memory device. Also they made Wanda downright terrifying even wearing mom jeans.
Money is not actually necessary; humans did not always have money. Other fictional universes (like Star Trek) try to imagine what it might look like to move beyond money and winner-takes-all systems (like capitalism).
@@totokekedile If that's the case, it's comparable to a mall restaurant handing out a full roast chicken on a toothpick! :P America got to see her greatest trauma, I feel like "that time she stubbed her toe" would make more sense as a freebie.
Same. You can tell a lot work went into the acting, direction, cinematography and production design. Sadly, the script and storytelling was kinda meh and made no sense half the time
Whisper-dude's death made this movie go from a 60 to a 90 for me. I had no idea they were willing to go there, and I had to show my mom that scene to make sure she didn't let my kid brother watch. So horrific, so powerful, so awesome. Also, the actress who plays Wanda is a childless woman who made me believe that she is not pure evil as she murders dozens, but that she is struggling with the trauma of a horror that most human minds can't even realistically imagine unless they've experienced it firsthand. Goddamn she's going in my top 5. Every time her voice shook as she spoke about her sons, I began to cry. I'm a teenage girl with no children, and I empathized with her more than I ever thought I could with a fictional character.
A few details that I loved about this movie: Sam Raimi returning after promising to not direct another comic movie, Xochitl insisting to do her own stunts, and Xavier getting killed by a power-hungry red head (again).
Great job on the vid as always. Really loved Raimi’s direction. Fun fact: The writer of the film appears on the balcony besides Christine’s husband near the beginning of the film. He also worked on Rick & Morty.
The big thing that makes me love this movie in terms of style is that the panels and dialogue feel like they're pulled straight out of a comic. The shot composition, the framing, the transitions. They all feel so stylized to look like actual comic panels
3:33 I will never get tired of the Portal references on this channel. 4:10 Looked up Patton Parnel and that story is... disturbing. To say the least. 13:18 I've spent like 5 minutes analyzing this it's so cool how each angle is right. 13:54 Is... did you just make a The Office reference? xD 17:13 I think it's also a good clue to that every Wanda is extremely protective of her children. She was just posssessed, saw a dimensional rift, and almost killed two people while damning another, but her first thought it of the safety of her kids who weren't even invovled. 18:28 The harp note isn't a "nuke", it just triggers the unstable note bomb in front of Evil Strange's face.
I liked this movie but I honestly hoped for more multiverse shenanigans. We only got to see one universethat honestly didn't feel that different and a destroyed one, otherwise just one-second cameos.
I have to admit when a review for Multiverse of Madness revealed Scarlet Witch was the villain instead of just a co-lead, I was a bit ticked and even partially eyerolled, but after watching the movie, the execution of it was simply well done for me. What stuck for me the most was the consequences of a fallen hero's actions not being washed away just because "oh, they did the right thing." We've had it in every flavor from "He was the right hand man to an evil empire who got his hands especially filthy, but he stopped his master, so he'll be remembered as a hero" to "He allowed himself to be aligned with an evil wizard for power and his deepest desire, resulting in untold loss and destruction, but he helped in the battle to bring everyone back, so he can stick around without anyone even so much as addressing his deeds". She destroyed the Darkhold in all universes, but the damage to her world and others is still there, and will remain so. Wanda even comes to terms with the fact the Darkhold wasn't 100% behind her actions, also avoiding "You did bad, but it wasn't you really because possession and/or mind control, so you're off the hook." She opened it and closed it, knowing there was no coming back from where she fell, and made the sacrifice not to redeem herself or for the chance to be brought back with good graces, but because it was to stop any further harm others could do to themselves and other worlds. In some ways, I see it akin to Hal Jordan's turn to Parallax, trying to rebuild what he has lost and going to any length to achieve it, but the Wanda of the MCU, or at least 616, won't come back or be exonerated, and her arc is all the better for it. On a lighter note, here's a missed win for 90s/2000s PlayStation 1 players: "The 2022 Neversoft logo looks great."
Yeah all of it wasn't just the Darkhold's actions, it all came from herself. We all saw what she could do for her family in WV, but the darkhold dialed it up to 11 justifying the killings to her, which she wouldn't have ever done willingly without the Darkhold's influence.
Anson Mount getting that much deserved return to the MCU is honestly my fave surprise thing about this movie. I didn’t think they’d want to reference the one show they want folks to forget but I’m so glad Feige brought Anson back! Must be the Star Trek fan in Feige that made the decision! Also love that both Anson and Patrick Stewart got a MCU return the same week they both had their Star Trek shows airing at the same time! 😂 Also I really need them to have Earth 838 Franklin Richards show up and cause trouble, the movie even references that this Reed has kids. Franklin’s reality warping powers would make so many interesting stories if he’s pitted against the current main MCU timeline.
Something I think is worth mentioning is how Prime Doctor Strange is the only one out of 3 Strange variants to let himself ‘not hold the knife’ as it were. We know ponytail Strange tried to use America’s power in the beginning, but also 838-Strange tried to dream walk to beat Thanos in his reality. He also tried to be ‘the one holding the knife’ to end that conflict. Prime Strange is the only one to let go of control and actually show a bit of trust in others
"Comsume all content" is basically the main advice I give to anyone who wants to starts to watch a big series. This and "give me an hour, I'll make you a list!"
while I didn't like the plot where wanda becomes the villain (after the sorta 50/50 we left off in wandavision), I can agree that there were some great things in this movies and awesome sequences (zombie strange has got to be my favourite part of the movie) (as a side note I don't hate this movie, I was just a little underwelmed by the lack of multiverse and somewhat simple plot though the plot was handled great regardless of how I feel about it because the character moments and parallels for strange and Wanda were great)
The Multiverse Fan Service that happened here so redeemed that Quicksilver fake-out in Wandavision. Seeing not just any Professor X, but our Professor X in the MCU made me so happy and it felt so earned, seeing as the X-Men franchise paved the way for what the MCU has become.
Thank you. For doing this movie--Really REALLY underappreciated in my book--and I love how your philosophy is essentially "No movie without wins" you practically OOZE positivity, my man
I have been WAITING For this! This is my all-time favourite Marvel movie... I love every single aspect of it! The humour, the horror, the stylisation, and the directing... what an incredible movie.
Oz the Great and Powerful (2013) was the last film Sam Raimi before MOM. It also has a similar story to the Wizard of Oz. Dr. Strange is the wizard who actually is a wizard, America Chavez is Dorothy, Wanda is Theodora (the Wicked Witch of the West - both innocent girls who were tricked into turning evil), and Agatha is Evanora (the Wicked Witch of the East - who both tricked and lied to Wanda and Theodora in the first place).
Too bad you didn't give a win for the genuine thanks and appreciation that America gave to Strange before Strange returned to New York. That scene was wonderful because after years of bouncing from reality to reality, America finally found a new family.
Regardless of what anyone says I love this film! Sam ram's style, Elizabeth Olson, she was just something else in this one best portrayal of Wanda by her, even Benedict as Dr strange nails it every time, all the horror elements with zombie strange being my favorite! It's just a very sentertaining film. And at the end I also felt bad for Wanda because she doesn't want to hurt anyone, but still does and becomes a total monster which wasn't by her choice it was the darkhold.
There’s only two movies I’ve cried at- and for VERY different reasons First one was Madagascar 3, probably cause 8-year-old me was just staring at the screen during the climax Second one was this movie- cause holy fuck it’s 4 ways to die that I find terrifying ESPECIALLY since it’s not a full head explosion with Black Bolt
I love how Rintrah (the minotaur guy) was just there, and NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Nobody even looked twice at him. Nobody made a comment, or even talked to him. He was just there.
“the ole staff defense” is even more gold of a joke bc not only did you mention a bow staff but in music theory the “staff” is literally the lines that’s holding the notes👍😂
Call forward to She-Hulk, too, when Wanda realizes that her kids see her as a monster. “When people start seeing you as a monster, that never goes away.”
"Good there will someone left to raise them" the delivery from Elizabeth is so spot on and genuinely so sinister. She really eased right in to the supervillain role.
And I honestly think that if the mother wasn’t alive she’d probably say something like “Well, that’s unfortunate”
That quote is definitely the kind of rationale Magneto would use. Like father like daughter. 😉
She’s got delusional but my goodness you feel her pain
@@dr.jessemr.hayden575or she’d say I can be there mother 😂😂😂
Wanda>Kang
Should've been the next phase big baddy
Dr strange possessing his own dead body from a different dimension while cloaked in the souls of the damned is the most Sam Raimi thing to ever exist and I love it so much.
This is very much so a Sam Raimi film. I love anything he touches lol
Seeing mf Zombie Strange done in a way that naturally works for the plot was amazing.
Me too. Lots of people are sniffy about this film. I bloody love it.
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That was my favorite chekhov’s gun that I’ve ever seen
"Just because someone stumbles and loses their way, doesn't mean they are lost forever" is fanservice in a movie literally based in fanservice, and yet it still choked me up in theaters.
Exactly! Dude literally said the same exact line in Days of Future Past.
@@theilluminatibenefactor that line, the cartoon theme during his entrance, and the yellow wheelchair. I was welling up with excitement since, since, when he wasn't in the intro shot, I thought they had cut him out of the movie, then he came out. Btw nice choice of a profile name
"Movie literally based in fan-service"?
This isn't No Way Home trash bro
Tbh I didn't like it. It feels like pure fan service - it doesn't seem natural in this scene. The original is possibly my favourite movie scene. That line (and the previous line: "Sometimes we all need a little help") is about finding a reason to have hope and endure the pain of caring in a world full of human-caused suffering. That's relatable to anyone who pays attention to the modern world.
In Multiverse of Madness, the line sounds like a half-arsed justification for trusting Dr Strange (or, given his telepathic powers, a completely unnecessary justification). Which makes it obvious fan service that just distracts from the scene.
it sums up phase 4
I like how the musical note fight seems like a call back to Strange’s knowledge of music from the first Dr. Strange.
Really wish it lasted longer. It was such a cool idea.
Now am no movie writer or music expert but if good Strane really wanted to end that fight with 0 chance of getting countered, it would have been like
Good Strange: Feel the power of Beethoven. 5th Symphony !!
Sinister Strange: Good but not enough. I counter with Bach. Toccata & Fugue !!
G.S: Time to end this. Take some more Beethoven !!
S.S: You really think this is going to scare me ??
G.S: This time its Ode to Joy.
@@GuardianGrarl Gaben sie One Winged Angel bitte
Part of me wishes people thought to use that scene as a meme template, like using it to portray a rap beef.
Actually went in completely blind, I’m in the theatre thinking “Hot dang, this director is a huuuge Raimi fan! I can feel the Raimi style throughout this.”
Then I saw the credits 🤦♂️
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I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️☪️
@@mingfanzhang4600 and I invite you to go autofellate yourself.
@@mingfanzhang4600 as I repeatedly reply to Christian replies, go preach where you are wanted! I get that religion can be important to many people, but there are times and places, and online comment sections for non religious content is NOT one of them.
Same here. I've sworn off trailers for about a decade now (mainly because of MCU and the tendency to spoil half the movie in them) , love going in blind.
Was also surprised with the Jim en Picard cameos, fun!
14:44 Fun fact: the theme that plays after Wanda kills Captain Carter is Wanda's original hero theme from Age of Ultron! (also composed by Danny Elfman) It's played in a minor key here, maybe to symbolize her distancing herself from the Avengers since the first hero she fought alongside was Cap, and now she killed a Cap variant, sort of severing her ties with the Avengers
Tracks to listen to side by side are:
Ultron-Twins (Avengers: Age of Ultron) listen at 3:05
Illuminati vs Wanda (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness) listen at 1:40
I was meant to add, those are the times for the songs NOT this video
Its that experience that reminds her to catch the Sheild and throw it back.
@@jazzsenford3310 I just went back to listen to it, that’s really cool. It’s so similar but just in a different key.
I legitimately never realized Wanda absorbed Captain Marvel's powers in their fight. It seemed crazy that a big statue was able to crush her to death at the time. Makes sense now though! Thanks for pointing that out.
Because, and hear me out here, she might not have. It's absolutely not described, mentioned, or otherwise elucidated in the film. She could have used up all her available energy, we don't even know if she works the same way as Carol Danvers (there's behind the scenes commentary that she doesn't). So, whether or not Wanda stole her power; probably not, she doesn't use said powers, and the movie implies heavily she'd gain powers if she absorbed them from someone else, a'la America Chavez; the movie still fails to inform the audience what's going on. His praise is made up in his head because it makes the most sense to him.
@@TheAdarkerglow the visuals make it rather clear
@@TheAdarkerglow Or, and hear ME out here, you just didn't listen to Lee actually explain the visuals on the screen
@@MrEMC_ The film didn't do a very good job of conveying what was happening there. It's obvious once you've been told, but it's difficult to even catch those visuals on your first viewing. All it would've taken is one medium close up of Captain Marvel trying to use her powers and realizing they were gone before getting smooshed. Wouldn't be surprised if that part was originally longer and got cut down.
@@CaptainPikeachu Semantic Dragon's point about Wanda never using Captain Marvel's powers still stands though. If she absorbed them, why did she never use them again?
What I love about this movie is that it feels like what a Dr. Strange comic should be. Steve Ditko and Stan Lee created these comics while high on acid in the 60’s. And the transitions in this movie are not only horror homages but feel like comic panels. And don’t even get me started on the absolute acid trip of a sentence that is the description of Strange’s dreamwalking scene: “Doctor Strange possesses his own dead body from another universe and then uses the souls of the dammed to make a cape so that he can fly to Wundigor Mountain to fight the Scarlet Witch to save Wong and America Chavez”
Honestly soo agree - watching this in cinemas felt for me one of the first times a comic came to life.
it's Wundagore
Also, "damned" in this case should be spelled with an n.
@@matthewchurchyard8552 i also agree. I also think that maybe thats the reason so many people didnt like it
It just sucks that the script is so weak and that it felt like strange was a side character
Elizabeth Olsen’s acting was the highlight of this film for me. The fact that I still sympathized with Wanda after everything she did is a testament to her acting chops
Agreed
then the director did a great job because in an interview the director said that they want the audience to relate and sympathize with a villain that they already love and thats what happened to all of us ❤️
I think it says more about you than it does her lol, playing with an entire village like puppets is way over the line.
Murdering warrior monks who protect the world from ancient mystical threats so you can murder a child is just straight up villainous.
100% Agree. Wanda Defender Forever!
@@TaGF_Tomcatnone of the Avengers are saints so stop telling things like these
Another reason I thought as to why Wanda turned so quickly at the end was, when she saw how her kids looked at her, she knew that even if she got them back, she still lost them. There was no going back to how things were anymore for her.
In other words the Darkhols "possessing" her was bullshit.
@xacmashe3852 you say that but this has happend in many comics where a villain has a last second change of heart and in film as well, Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, Peter getting rid of the Symbiote in the comics (616 and Ultimate) and in Spider-Man 3, (not comics but Frodo throwing the ring in Mt. Doom) etc. Just because someone is under the control of something doesn't mean they can't have a last minute snap out of it moment to do a self sacrifice win but if you hate those kindas of tropes then I feel you lololol its not the best plot device at times esp with how WILD Wanda goes in this one lol its like Spider-Carnage in the 1994 show where he talks to Uncle Ben for like 3 seconds and decides to no longer destroy the multiverse lmao😂
@@BobOrton-y2l spider carnage makes sense if you consider that the person that version of peter hated most was himself (hence why he can't stand his clone either). Spider carnage was reminded for just a minute that he did have people who loved him and that none of them would want him to do what he was doing and that he didn't want it either. in the 90's spiderman the symbiotes are all out evil and bring out the worst of a person.
@@xacmashe3852 it wasn't. Watch Agents of SHIELD. A person corrupted by it is still capable of good things and redemption, like professor Radcliffe. He looked into the book but still helped the main characters in the end.
@@BobOrton-y2l Not to mention Agents of SHIELD literally demonstrated years prior to this movie that the one possessed by Darkhold is able to redeem themselves and still do good.
Here's a win you missed: the 838 Tommy and Billy were watching an Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoon instead of a micky mouse cartoon. Could that imply that Oswald never faded into obscurity in 838?
Or walt never lost his copyright
Wow!
@@exceedcharge1 that, too.
Hope so :'))
Why couldn't we live in that world?!
i think MoM had the best stylization of an mcu movie in a while. it really felt like a comic book on the screen. its script was the right balance of corny/fun, the scenes with wanda at kamar taj was so exciting. i just think being called multiverse of madness, and only seeing 2 other universes, all serving the same plot, and being released right after the fan fav everything, everywhere, all at once, which did 5 different plot lines at the same time, didnt help it one bit
First thing I said after watching was. "That felt like a comic book movie more than any other one so far."
Agreed most definitely.
The fact you think Everything Everywhere All At Once is worse than this movie says alot about your standards of scriptwriting of storytelling
@@ninjanibba4259 I suggest you read what they wrote again. They're saying that the fact MoM released right alongside Everything really didn't help, since it had a direct parallel to be compared to.
@@ninjanibba4259 they literally said that the movie did 5 plot points all at once and used the multiverse concept much better then MOM so it coming out before MOM didn’t do MOM any favors as they said
Honestly Anson Mount as black bolt is such a good casting he’s a great body actor, you can read so much emotions from his facial expressions alone
Anson Mount was one of the few things that actually worked with Inhumans.
@@Flashback007 exactly, I really hope he comes back in the future.
I honestly believe BLACK BOLT using is supersonic voice to kill SUPREME STRANGE is also a genuine apology to everybody who watched the ABC Inhumans show and thought it's shit.
He really was the best thing to come from that show we don't speak of.
I like him too, alot. Hell on wheels is great. but man... blackbolt is a big joke in this flick
What sold me on Wanda as the villian, is Mrs. Olsens acting, the script, or both. I don’t think Wanda believes herself when she says “I’m not a monster.” She’s just so caught up in her goal to obtain her kids that she doesn’t acknowledge it. Only when they confirm her fears does she finally cave.
That moment of realization really hits hard
I invite everyone to read the holy Quran ☪️☪️
@@mingfanzhang4600 no thanks
I didn’t catch it in the movie but it stood out in this amazing breakdown - how America saw Billy and Tommy with their mother. And how she was helping a mother missing her children when she, a child, was separated from and missing her mothers. There seems to be a symmetry there in those scenes.
The movie came out in May. Namely, it released 2 days before Mother’s Day.
Good catch that's pretty cool.
@@darkpaw1522and Multiverse Of Madness
M O M
MOM
@@fiery114 Yup. Nailed it.
For Earth 838, everyone is dressed in dark colors because the pollution in the world got so bad, the atmosphere started to break down. To combat this, Reed Richards came up with the idea of planting plants on buildings and everywhere possible to create more oxygen. Everyone in the universe wears a hat and carries an umbrella because of sprinkler systems on the roofs of every building which go off very often to keep the plants alive.
I think the deeper meaning for the costume styling in 838 is awesome
That is so cool, I didn't know that
What does that have to do with dark colors
@@NotVinegarless dyes used to make clothing? I'm shooting in the dark here
Firstly this isn't in the movie. Secondly what does this add to the movie.
@@xacmashe3852 It could have been in the director's commentary or an interview or maybe borrowed from the comics. And either way, it's just a neat little fact that enhances the movie for those in the know.
Zombie Strange is visually my favorite thing in the whole MCU. The detail, the way the souls of the damned make the arms pose. The eyes when he dreamwalks into the body is the the most Raimi thing to ever Raimi
Ha, I said something similar
Funnily enough, Rachel McAdams has played the love interest of a time traveller five times now ("Doctor Strange 1 and 2," "The Time Traveller's Wife", "About Time" and "Midnight in Paris", yet she never gets to travel in time herself.
Rachel McAdams is a fantastic actress
She was also in the only good episode of What If..?
She's a phenomenal actress!
@@royalblue5367 Dr Strange Lost his Heart instead of his hands. Great episode
That's *_right!_* That _was_ her in About Time!
I'd managed to completely forget about that one. Well, that's my evening's viewing decided - thanx Bud!
For those wondering why wanda turned evil; it takes YEARS to work through trauma, so even after the events of wandavision, she's mentally vulnerable, and The Darkhold corrupts people like that. It turned a non-sentient robot into a sentient one bent on world-domination. I have no problem believing it could revert her back to the Bargaining stage.
I believe it, as well, it makes sense. I guess I just wish there had been a better transition on screen, instead of having to rely on guessing what happened offscreen? At the end of Wandavision, she seemed determined not to be the bad guy. She let go of her family. To the viewer, it looks like she immediately went back on that, even if you can come up with reasons after the fact about what happened offscreen between Wandavision and MoM. Perhaps a montage of her waking up crying from seeing her sons in her dreams (instead of just the once), or a montage of her costume becoming darker as the Darkhold influences her more, or even a monologue where she really shows the pain of trying to do good and getting punished for it all the time. I don't know.
I think a lot of it comes down to how one viewed the end of WandaVision. My wife watched WandaVision, but didn't watch Doctor Strange 2. After I saw a lot of the criticisms around Wanda's arc, I asked my wife if she thought Wanda worked through her grief and was okay at the end of WandaVision. My wife said no chance, and then I explained the basic idea of DS2 (she doesn't care about spoilers for the movies) and for her, that arc made complete sense. I agreed with that view.
If a viewer came out of WandaVision thinking that Wanda had worked through her grief and was okay, the change here seems abrupt.
@@kateorgera5907 Agreed. The ending of WandaVision left it open for Wanda to become more of a villain with taking and studying the Darkhold, so although it DOES still make sense, it was a bit of a shame they didn’t flesh that out a bit more before kinda just dropping her into being the villain in MoM. Because despite her ongoing issues and trauma, the ending of WV really felt like she was trying to NOT be the bad guy and willingly decided to give up her “family” because she had imprisoned Westview in the process and she recognized that was wrong, so it can then seem a bit jarring and contradictory to have made the jump offscreen to now being willing to murder countless people for her own selfish goals.
@@xger21 so true! I believe she would have got over it If not for the darkhold. She just didn't get enough time to process it all and then darkhold got to her, which amplified her grief and wanting to find her kids even more by showing her visions of her kids in other universes
@@kateorgera5907 , Wanda waking up hit me much harder the second time I watched it, in ways I'm not sure a montage could have achieved. A montage could communicate the weight better in the moment, which is useful if you don't intend to watch a movie more than once, but I think this choice had its own advantages.
1:04 That line's a callback to No Way Home. "In the grand calculus of the multiverse, their sacrifice means more than their lives" is what he says to peter about the multiversal invaders.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought as soon as I heard it 💫🌟🎲⚖️🥁♾️
I think one thing I would have added about “Strange holding the knife” is part of him learned to let go of that knife during No Way Home. That line in the beginning with Defender Strange is almost word for word what our strange said to Spider-Man. I think he learned to trust America (or at least it started the process of him learning to trust) because Peter proved him wrong in No Way Home. That he doesn’t always have to be the one to make that choice. That he can learn to count on others. But that’s just my opinion 😊
I’d go even further and argue that he already learned that lesson back in his debut film, specifically when he literally handed Dr. West _the knife_ to perform surgery on The Ancient One. Am I right or am I right?
Yeah but remember that in No Way Home he removed Peter Parker from everyone's memories (including himself), so all interactions of him with Peter got cut and only the ones of him under the mask were kept. So, in a way Dr Strange still thinks he has to do all the heavy lifting but in the end he still does what his gut tells him (a little bit of the all knowing book too if he perhaps caught a glimpse of it) and trust America to save the day.
That's something some people might have a gripe with, but not me specifically: the movie makers keep on forcing him to relearn the same lesson repeatedly.
@@rasengan7738 But here's the thing, just like with MJ still wearing the Black Dahlia necklass, the idea that he learned from Spider-Man about trusting others would still be there despite him not knowing where it came from.
I realised a fun thing about Spider-Verse and Multiverse of Madness. Kingpin and Wanda are defeated in the same way, but differences in how they are defeated fascinate me. Miles inadvertently showed Kingpin that bringing his family back won't work, as Kingpin will always make the same mistake. Even worse, every possible varieant of Ruchard and Vanessa saw the side of Fisk that he tried to hide from them.
America directly shows Wanda how far she had fallen, in the hopes of bringing her family back. She used Billy and Tommy to show Wanda that any attempt to bring them back using dark magic will ultimately make them turn on her. The interesting bit is that the shock of having her sons turn on her may have been enough to shock Wanda out of trying again, but unlike Fisk, only this version of Billy and Tommy turned on her. SO. The possibility exists that Wanda could try again, to grab a version of her children who never saw what she became. This fascinates and disturbs me.
I know this movie got somewhat mixed reviews but I got some praise for it
1. Sam the man Raimi directing was a big yes for me.
2. Elizabeth Olsens easily gave her best performance as Wanda.
3. The crazy psychedelic visuals turned up to 11 from the first movie.
4. Danny elfman's return for the soundtrack.
5. And of course the horror elements make this movie stand out more than most.
Edit: Almost forgot the cinematography is some of the best in the MCU.
Yeah, this is an underrated Movie!
I love the horror elements. I'm not usually a fan of horror, but something about slight horror elements in superhero films really makes them good. Aquaman had those creepy sea creatures, Snydercut Justice League had DeSaad and Darkseid and the end of the universe, MoM has just...Wanda spaghetti-ing Mr Fantastic, exploding Black Bolt's head, cutting Captain Carter in half...Then going back into the past a bit we have Spider-Man 2's Doc Ock origins with the claws acting like snakes with a POV shot. Something about using Horror elements in a generally fairly tame universe just really ups the stakes and makes it feel more real. Even in the comics they're not afraid to show blood, or even kill their characters.
[SPOILERS AHEAD]
In the Civil War comic arc from the mid 2000s, they ......................................................................................KILLED GOLIATH USING A ROBOT THOR
My #1 no for this movie was americas character, it truly didnt feel like someone who we could sympathize with. Shes just a kid from another universe who is getting chased by someone who is truly broken. All america did in the movie was kill her mothers and almost get killed a lot of times.
Raimi was this movie's MVP
When you let a director direct rather than breathe down their neck, you usually get a good result. When that director is Sam Raimi doing an MCU movie, you give him beats to hit and tell him “Have fun with the rest of it” and in classic Raimi style, he has fun with it
my favorite thing about this movie was just how much it FELT like a comic book. the corny lines, nearly nonstop action with weird-ass sequences interspersed. they managed to translate pulpy comics to the big screen without directly adapting a storyline we already knew (afaik) - like secret wars or demon in a bottle - so it just felt like a grand extension of the greatest parts of comic books. i loved every minute of it.
yes!!! it was so great!!
Yep and nobody is ready for it
I think what really sells Wanda as a villain is that she fully acknowledges (not directly) that giving her America is only for the greater good because she will actively destroy the universe unless she gets her way. She is incredibly selfish and deluded, and most of her motivation in all her appearances has been revenge. It's extremely on brand when you realise that probably her first truly selfless act was killing Vision, the man she loved, and couldn't get him back, and every time she's done good things, she's the one who pays for it.
Well i would say freeing the people of Westview was also completely selfless. Even though Wanda never meant to hurt them in any way she still did. And when she realized what the hex was really doing she had a complete breakdown and immediately tried to fix it. There was nothing to be gained from it. She sacrificed everything she wanted. Her home, her husband, her kids, her happiness, everything, to save these people from a terrible fate she unintentionally brought onto them.
Yep dark hold is such a cursed book it takes very strong mental strength to overcome (if it's actually possible) and Wanda never had a strong mind so it was very easy@@mellemadswoestenburg1296
I personally think when Wanda was talking about how she was “meant to rule everything” I think she was being honest about the fact she doesn’t care about ruling the Multiverse. She does however use it as justification for what she’s doing. I.e. she thinks ‘since I’m owed the Multiverse but I’m just asking to kill two people so I can be with my kids I’m being reasonable. And thus you by denying me, a destined Multiversal ruler, what I am asking, you are being unreasonable.
It is more of how darkhold has influenced her mind to justify her actions, rather than it being herself truly.
Hands down, I really loved the part when both America Chavez and Doctor Strange were both traveling through the multiverse. Just from that, you can tell that they were having a bit too much fun with the CGI. Such a beautiful sequence that was added to the movie!
Should’ve been the whole movies though. It is called “multiverse of madness” and the multiverse was shown for 15 seconds. It was still cool, just underwhelming
@@Devon.with.an.i Same. I wish we saw more universes
@@Devon.with.an.i just like “age of Ultron” shit lasted a week lol
@@VNKNOWN_TX The Hump Day of Ultron
I loved that sequence
Elizabeth Olsen's Wanda Maximoff is an acting dream role. Henchwoman, to refugee, to heroine, to small-town villain, to big-time villain, to repentant, sacrificial villain. All through a lens of pain, love, and trauma but carried on broad shoulders.
Such a Shakespearean arc. Or, perhaps a (naked) Chaucerian arc. And the very best magic gestures yet committed to screen.
She'll never win any prestigious awards for it, but Elizabeth Olsen gave flawless performances as every incarnation of Wanda. I really hope we haven't lost her.
I consider Wanda in WandaVision more of an anti-hero rather than a straight up villain considering she never meant to hurt anyone and was completely horrified when she found out what she was really doing but other than that, yeah totally agree. Elizabeth Olsen is an absolute Queen. Whatever emotion she needs to portray, whatever kind of direction Wanda's character takes, she NAILS it every single time. She's most definitely coming back. And now that she's most definitely gonna be a heroine again i can't wait to see her redemption arc unfold. She has truly embraced her power and the possibilities are endless.
The shot direction in this film is AMAZING. Also love the music fight. So freaking good!
Same. Loved that scene and the direction and cinematography
💯💯💯👍👍👍
If only the music fight lasted longer, instead of being so disappointingly short!
@@jcrews8582 not every action scenes needs to be painfully long !
I absolutely loved this movie. One thing I am surprised you didn't cover in it though was the recurring line of "Are you happy?", and how both Strange and Wanda both had to end up letting go of what they thought they needed to be able to start moving towards that.
yeah the review was kinda rushed.
Wanda was surprised that Peggy didn't manage to catch the shield like Steve would've.
cause the writing is trash
@@derigel7662 This is why you and I aren't film writers, friend!
@@derigel7662that's not how it works but okay.
@@mottom2657 is that why the movie did poorly????? Ratings tell a tale
@@Apple_Beshy then explain how it does????
I really like how this Movie explained how dreams are windows into the Multiverse which is why and how dream walking works it's a really cool concept it's so fascinating.
However, it would have been better if they linked that to Nightmare (one of the primary of Strange's enemies). Having it be linked to multiverse instead of having the Dream Dimension kinda writes him out of the MCU.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen Not necessarily. Nightmare could be a cosmic being that resides between the universes and maintains the dream links between them.
Scarlet Witch was one of my favorite Marvel villains. So terrifyingly dangerous
Just realized that the line Wanda said about Strange breaking the rules and becoming a hero while she’s becoming the villain might’ve also been a nod to ponytail strange. I also really like this as a movie following no way home just because that whole movie though a bit questionable in its delivery at times was in part about Stranges willingness to sacrifice others lives for the greater good vs Spiderman’s and Aunt May’s not to. I feel like it all flows really well.
I know im months late to this video but im so happy to see people that actually enjoyed this movie and im happy you did as well. Not going to pretend it was perfect by any means but all the nitpicking, complaining, and just simply people not understanding is so tiring to see. Dr. Strange has been my favorite Marvel hero even before his first movie and I absolutly love this movie even with its flaws. Very happy to be sucribed to a channel filled with so much positivity :)
So fucking true
11:40 I have a head cannon that when 838 Strange met Reed for the first time, he told the same joke. I think it makes the look on Reed's face deeper; instead of just laughing at some joke, he's recognizing an old friend of his and recognizing that Stephen's charm is a multiversal constant, but unfortunately, so is the havoc that he wreaks.
I have never gotten more chills than when Sir Patrick Stewart came out in the comic accurate yellow chair with the original theme
Despite the mixed reviews this movie got its hands down my favorite in the MCU and it’s not even close. Thank you so much for pointing out the positives unlike everybody else it feels like
People are so terrified of an MCU movie that's actually a real movie and different. This is the best MCU movie in a loooong time.
same!! I think its awsome...and I havent liked a mcu movie in a while so like, it must be doing something right.
or i have terrible taste.
There's always positives in movies even if they're relatively mixed with audiences. I for one love this film. The cinematography and visuals are top notch especially. And of course Sam raimi directing. Let's not forget the horror elements that made it more memorable.
You can imagine my shock when I finally found a video that wasn’t about all the things wrong with marvel movies/shows and the literal 5 hour long essay video people wrote to say how bad this was .
I honestly can’t understand why people would make 5 HOUR LONG VIDEO just to say they don’t like the movie?
Above all else, it felt nice to have an MCU movie with this much style. Sam Raimi’s fingerprints were all over this one, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
This all could've been avoided if someone had asked Wanda "how are you?" "Are you feeling ok? Do you need anything?"
And therapy
I want her as a mommy
True
I like his explanation at the end of the darkhold being what causes Wanda to lose herself. If you watched agents of shield the corruption that takes place and her quick turn at the end makes sense because it's similar to what Fitz and pretty much anyone else who read the darkhold went through in the show.
This movie is easily my favorite MCU film. The style, tension, and just EVERYTHING is so amazing and I love it!
This is getting up there for me each time I watch it. At least my favorite since Endgame
For me after Infinity war and Endgame , this is my third most favorite movie . No way home is a fourth for me
@@TheOriginalLurker Good list!
Guardians 1,Avengers,Endgame and Ragnarok are my top 4.
@@jordansweet8054 Thanks !! Yours is great too
One thing that I loved so much were the reversing yet parallel arcs between Wanda and Strange.
The entirety of Strange's character, as you stated throughout, was his constant need to be "holding the knife". Always putting the outcome first, and lost his own personal life, represented by Christine, through that. He travels the multiverse and sees what dangers his obsessive dedication can bring, with Defender Strange attempting to sacrifice America, Illuminati Strange causing the incursion, and Sinister Strange destroying his universe after losing his mind over his unhappiness. Our Strange realizes his life will require more balance, that he's not a heroic machine but should shed some responsibility before his work makes him lose himself.
On the other hand, Wanda pushes the boundary for her own happiness. With no regard to any greater good, she blindly pursues her children without consideration of their current happiness in illusion that its for them when it is for her. I consider myself a Wanda defender, less of an apologist, but Wanda moved towards irredeemable territory with mass murders at Kamar-Taj and killing the illuminati. But her children being scared of her pulled the veil back and she was able to realize what irresponsibility she displayed with her power and sacrificed herself(?) to eliminate any possibility of someone following her path
Wanda had nothing to lose and I think she realized that after Westview. Like if she did (which she did) try and get her kids back from another universe, and it didn’t work, she would be left by herself again, but no one that she loved will get hurt cause they’re not existent. And if it works she’s happy. But as we saw she’s like shit I need destroy the darkhold, which I think she wanted to die in that moment, but now we don’t know where she is. I hope this makes sense idk if it does.
Here are a few fun facts: Wanda and Pietro were orphaned on March 30, 1999, the day before the original Matrix came out. Both twins joined Ultron in Avengers 2, who was an A.I. program. Wanda also created a Matrix with the whole fake sitcom reality. Wanda also wore a blue shirt under a red jacket in the last episodes of WandaVision. Wanda also became the "Woman in the Red Dress" in MOM and she sealed Black Bolt's mouth the same way Smith did to Neo.
Oz the Great and Powerful (2013) was the last film Sam Raimi before MOM. It also has a similar story to the Wizard of Oz. Dr. Strange is the wizard who actually is a wizard, America Chavez is Dorothy, Wanda is Theodora (the Wicked Witch of the West - both innocent girls who were tricked into turning evil), and Agatha is Evanora (the Wicked Witch of the East - who both tricked and lied to Wanda and Theodora in the first place).
16:43, Wanda being an unstoppable pursuer, her red eyes, and her limp definitely make this a Terminator reference.
Strange Prime’s arc also gets a boost from No Way Home. Defender Strange says the same multiverse/sacrifice speech Prime did in NWH. But as we saw, Strange learns from Spidey that sometimes there is another way. And that combined with Christine’s words, he learns to finally back up. There is another way to save the day. Trust the other heroes to do what they can do.
im awful with horror so my skin was crawling the entire time i was watching this in theaters. but the music note fight had me literally jumping out of my seat!! i saw it super late so i was basically pacing around in the aisle freaking out about how awesome it was! the score! the style!!! my favorite mcu moment ever
The genuinely terrifying and horror parts of this movie was fantastic, as expected of our fantastic director.
Now that you mentioned multiverse movies I hope we get to see Everything Everywhere All At Once covered sometime on this channel :) Love the video
Most wins of any movie on his channel incoming
That video would be longer than the movie itself
@@mackielunkey2205 bruh. You know he does more than just marvel movies… right? I mean his next video is gonna be The Batman and his prior 2 videos were Fellowship of the Ring and Matrix Resurrections. There’s no reason he wouldn’t eventually talk about probably the most beloved movie of the year dude
I can’t wait to see Everything Everywhere All at Once on the channel!
He's literally gonna give them a 1000 win count...or more..
one thing that I loved that I feel like he missed was that this movie was about consequences, starting off with the guy in the wedding talking about how the blip affected him and Strange trying really hard not to think about how it was pretty much his fault. Nearly everything in this movie is the result of something that has been coming down the line for a while as a result of decisions (right or wrong) that our heroes made, even down to the post credits scene. I just thought that was really cool because, with the exception of Wanda's little oops in Civil War leading to that entire movie, most of it gets skated over. There are spots where we get a token nod to results of choices made in the heat of the moment but it's mostly just a scene and then we're back to quipping. In this movie one of our heroes went full villain and then died(?) and even our title character has been changed forever in a way we don't really understand yet. I hope they play with Strange's changes more than they did with removing Thor's eye in Ragnarok
I love this movie because it serves as a solid Doctor Strange sequel by continuing arcs established in the first film while also exploring new elements of the mcu without confusing major audiences. They showed just enough for a proper multiverse introduction. Loved the Illuminati and love that they had the balls to make Wanda op enough to take them all down almost immediately. Strange gets proper development through the movie being the one variant we’ve seen so far that is fully over Christine now and is fully focused on who he wants to be. I also feel like he’s controlled the third eye because he is the one Strange that is truly different as America had said. I liked Wakanda Forever more for mcu movies this year but this really was a great addition imo with all the subtle ties, musical nods, fun cameos, and the fact that it seems like everyone had fun with this even through COVID. Marvel isn’t always perfect, but I’m glad we get what we do.
Wanda stealing Rambeau's powers makes so much sense that I'm wondering how I didn't notice it the 1st 3 times I watched the movie.
because its super fucking vague like when the hell did wanda get infinity stonepower theft?
It's established in wandavision; Agatha absorbs some of Wanda's mind stone enhanced chaos magic, and Wanda then shows she can do the same by absorbing Agatha's magic
@@wingedfish1175 embarrassing for u
@@wingedfish1175 wandavision.
the definition of a guilty pleasure movie. i know there are some pretty big issues but i can’t help but love it. the stylisation and score are everything.
No need to feel guilty! It's a-okay to like bad media as long as you know it has issues. Not to mention that this movie definitely has some surface-level redeeming qualities, like those you mentioned. Just don't financially support the writer of MoM; he's kind of a moron and had no business being given control over such incredible vfx and music production.
It’s always nice to feel good about movies you enjoyed that’s what this channel is for
Same, I loved doctor strange and people talked so much shit about it
@landomando “Hold my beer cliché” *ding*
Even without WandaVision this movie still makes sense. Wanda’s dark side was present in Age of Ultron and she struggled a lot as an Avenger. Vision’s death hit her hard. Makes sense that at the end of it all she’d just swipe the Dark Hold Book and descend into madness.
Something that I enjoy about the MCU is that future projects can retroactively make more lackluster projects better in the future.
Age of Ultron got this treatment due to the payoffs in Phase Three. With Shang-Chi bringing in the real Mandarin, Iron Man 3 could be more appreciated because of it. And the Incredible Hulk could be looked at more fondly with the return of several characters from that film years later.
Films like this one, Eternals, and Love and Thunder could all get this same treatment in the future if things pay off perfectly. In Multiverse of Madness's case, it could be credited for setting up the main conflict of the Multiverse Saga (or at least one of them): the Incursions. If America has a bright future ahead of her, this film could be looked at more fondly for introducing her. And so on.
I need an Everything Great About Everything Everywhere All At Once. That was the best multiverse movie of the year for me and one of the best movies of the year so far.
1:05 Forgot to mention the parallels between this line and the line in No Way Home.
No Way Home: In the grand calculus of the multiverse, their sacrifice is worth more than their lives.
Multiverse of Madness: But in the grand calculus of the multiverse, your sacrifice is worth more than your life.
Just a nice little detail I noticed.
I loved this movie, and was really glad to see Sam Raimi's actual style back in the big screen. Also, the mixed reaction to this movie made me realize that the only other Sam Raimi directed movie so called "Raimi fans" of my generation or younger have seen is Oz the Great and Powerful.
Didn't he direct the spiderman movies (Tobey McGuire version) ???
And when I watched Army of Darkness for the first time, I really saw the influence.
Drag Me to Hell
@@luckymo_on yes, that's my point. A lot of people call themselves "hardcore" Raimi fans, enshrine his Spider-Man trilogy but didn't recognize any of the overt and frankly unsubtle callbacks and references to Evil Dead and Darkman in Multiverse of Madness, or scoffed at how campy and cheesy it was, despite that also being his style and all over the Spider-Man trilogy.
@@ninjabluefyre3815 its also very apparent in Drag Me To Hell which is also excellent.
The whole scene where they jump through about 10 different parallel universes at once felt like it was taken right out of the pages of a comic book, and I absolutely loved it!
1:09 Comeuppance? He's trying to save the multiverse!
Through first degree murder? I don't think so.
@@iantaggart3064 First degree murder or destruction of everything that's ever existed (Including her as well. She dies either way). Easy choice. Why does do people keep acting like he's a bad guy for doing this. Wins even compares him to Wanda
Here are a few fun facts: Wanda and Pietro were orphaned on March 30, 1999, the day before the original Matrix came out. Both twins joined Ultron in Avengers 2, who was an A.I. program. Wanda also created a Matrix with the whole fake sitcom reality. Wanda also wore a blue shirt under a red jacket in the last episodes of WandaVision. Wanda also became the "Woman in the Red Dress" in MOM and she sealed Black Bolt's mouth the same way Smith did to Neo.
In some ways Wanda is even a more deadly of threat than Thanos was.
some ways ? She wasnt kidding when she sayd she was being reasonable ... she is walking talking Infinity gauntlet ... with a temper ... and going "tad bit" mad with grief ...
if she let loose she would be ten times the threat Thanos was ... you know rewriting reality at will, no need for any gimmick glove or corny gestures...
She has actually shown of all the individual infinity stone's powers
Oh easily. If she wasn't Disney-fied at the end of MoM, she could've been the next Phase Villain; also with Hulk in She-Hulk going to...somewhere, probably Sakaar, I REALLY want to see Maestro Hulk. Mark Ruffalo even said that he's willing to keep being Hulk as long as Marvel lets him.
@@Iliadic If by disney-fied you mean realising the error of her ways after being hit by reality sure otherwise poor wording.
@@johnman8398 I mean, I wrote the comment before the end of the video, and I realize how it's not quite what I was thinking; it's just that to anyone without children (such as myself and many others who watched MoM), it didn't have too much of a punch.
You can feel the rami style from several parts. It both really surprised me because I didn't expect it and didn't surprise me because it's so alike to that style
I got more of a Spider Man vibe especially since Raimi directed those
My headtheory is that Cthon(The author of the Darkhold) wisked Wanda away because he didn't want his pet project to die. A possible storyline for the two brothers to finally establish themselves as Young Avengers and go look for her...and a another possible setup for The Midnight Sons
One thing I was hoping to see mentioned was the effectiveness of fighting fire with fire during the music battle. Trying to keep the barrage of notes away with a conventional shield was a slowly failing effort. However, a conjured musical staff caught them almost effortlessly. It was the magical equivalent of just grabbing and throwing the first thing that came to hand (the sheet music), but it also forced the other Strange to respond in kind.
Been waiting for this because when I went to see it I genuinely felt like I was the only one who enjoyed the movie everyone else was complaining so much!!
@@deej0201 I didn't think it is as bad as everyone was making it out tbh I have seen worse from the mcu itself
The MCU is not in a bad place. I just want to have fun watching them
@@jaredlewis3001 yeah it's like people r always complaining that all the mcu movies follow the same formula but when they make smth different fans hate it like what?
@@luckymo_on watch maulers video about this movie. You’re literally dead wrong on why people don’t like it.
@@Ziggerath there’s literally a marvel hate trend going on and everyone knows that, it’s so annoying
I like the idea that the Mordo story progressed offscreen. Regardless of when the first film takes place, by Multiverse of Madness it’s somewhere around a DECADE later. Was Mordo’s plan supposed to freeze until there was a place onscreen to show it?
He might have been dusted, making it only 3 pr 4 years of time from his point of view.
@@jasonwalker9471 It doesn’t matter whether Mordo was dusted or not. Because Strange was. But that’s still several years of scuffles like he’s a more threatening Team Rocket
Because fanboys have to whine about something.
"I also think they struggled to balance that line between full evil murderer and anti-hero mom just trying to get her kids back."
A *lot* of people seem to forget about the fact that Wanda has the Darkhold, which canonically corrupts anyone who reads it. She's not just "a mom trying to get her kids back", that's just the excuse she's using to herself to explain why she's suddenly willing to maim and kill to get her way. In reality though, she's literally been turned evil (or is at least in the process of being turned evil) by one of the most powerful evil artifacts in the entire universe.
It's not a matter of forgetting. Consider that many people who watch these movies aren't comic book fanatics. We're told that the Darkhold corrupts but we haven't really seen enough of it in the cinematic universe for us to just accept two lines of dialogue saying that it does with there being no way to counteract it (especially since they go and have Strange use it himself in the same movie with little visible consequence). Plus, a number of people were invested in Wanda's storyline from WandaVision. Saying "oh she picked up this evil book and all that character development went down the drain" feels like a very abrupt turn around.
This. This is why I get so tired of the "They did Wanda dirty" comments from people. This was actually very believable. Take a grieving mom who just sort of got over the death of her soulmate, suddenly give her the idea that her kids might actually exist, and let that hope be what corrupts her into literally being willing to kill anyone, even the person that universe's version of her children would call mom, to have them. That is why America giving her what she wants and forcing her to truly see the monster she had become in their eyes helped snap her out of it. It showed her the lies the Darkhold had been telling her. It showed her that these kids were never going to be hers.
@@AZRockslide42 While I still found that ending somewhat dissatisfactory, I will say that I agree with all the comments being made about "ruining her character", they really didn't because it wasn't fully her most of the time.
Plus as Lee said she went through a LOT of emotiona trauma which would make the corruption even easier
@@Shirospyre I agree to a point, though if you watched the Agents of SHIELD TV Series, the Darkhold was the main plotline of Season....3, I think? Which is why I was a lot more willing to accept it, since I recognised the Darkhold and remembered the shit it pulled in AoS. xD
I stg, the chill that went down my spine when I heard that light 90's X-men riff as THE wheelchair hovered in... it was amazing in theaters and still grabbed me here, and I don't even have core memories about that one the way I do the 90s spidey cartoon.
Scarlet Witch's 'madness' has been an aspect of her character... that's been pushed upon her by *the authors.*
The means by which she overcame herself was insufficiently awesome compared to the *glorious* way Vision found a mutually beneficial solution, healing White Vision's mind and giving Ghost Vision a legacy.
Good Guy Necromancy is a _rare_ thing, so it's always a win.
I always appreciate the work this channel does, both because it serves to defend against the haters as well as let's me better appreciate movies that I couldn't fully get behind. In this movie's case I had a real suspension of disbelief problem with the initial premise due to Wanda-Vision, if Wanda is a Nexus (multiverse constant), then the themes and patterns in her lives should be similar across universes, it doesn't mean that they are the same in every universe just a "like poetry it rhymes" type thing. Wanda says that this is the only universe she doesn't have kids which is confusing, because that would imply that she has some multiverse soulmate that she keeps meeting to have kids with to form this particular set of twins who themselves would always be part of their lives. Yet we never find out who the kids father is and we never find out what difference there is in the 616 universe that makes it the singular exception among an infinite number of variations. It's only when I can let go of the fact that this movie doesn't have a coherent inciting incident (the Darkhold driving her crazy to get her kids doesn't matter if she should have her kids by Wanda-Vision's logic) that I can appreciate what it does well, and videos like this one help me appreciate just what parts of the movie are done well. The characters work in general, Strange's arc, the cameos, sound design, creative visuals, etc. There's a lot to love, but it's certainly taken a lot of time for me to look past the nitpicks I have with the movie to accept the good with the bad and acknowledge that no movie will be perfect.
It's weird when the biggest problem I have with this movie is that Strange and America somehow didn't need to pay to use the memory device.
Also they made Wanda downright terrifying even wearing mom jeans.
Money is not actually necessary; humans did not always have money. Other fictional universes (like Star Trek) try to imagine what it might look like to move beyond money and winner-takes-all systems (like capitalism).
I assumed what was out on the street was a "free sample" type of thing.
@@totokekedile If that's the case, it's comparable to a mall restaurant handing out a full roast chicken on a toothpick! :P America got to see her greatest trauma, I feel like "that time she stubbed her toe" would make more sense as a freebie.
I kept thinking the memory would abruptly end and an ad would pop up saying they have to pay to see the rest of the memory
Even though I didn’t love this movie, I can still appreciate the amount of work that went into it.
Same. You can tell a lot work went into the acting, direction, cinematography and production design.
Sadly, the script and storytelling was kinda meh and made no sense half the time
💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍
@@chasehedges6775 the same problems that happened with spider-man 3. sony and disney should know to just let directors do there thing
@@joekreissl4499 Spider Man 3 is a masterpiece compared to this film
The drums and the dramatic entrance in kamartaj really makes it cool and iconic
Whisper-dude's death made this movie go from a 60 to a 90 for me. I had no idea they were willing to go there, and I had to show my mom that scene to make sure she didn't let my kid brother watch. So horrific, so powerful, so awesome.
Also, the actress who plays Wanda is a childless woman who made me believe that she is not pure evil as she murders dozens, but that she is struggling with the trauma of a horror that most human minds can't even realistically imagine unless they've experienced it firsthand. Goddamn she's going in my top 5. Every time her voice shook as she spoke about her sons, I began to cry. I'm a teenage girl with no children, and I empathized with her more than I ever thought I could with a fictional character.
A few details that I loved about this movie:
Sam Raimi returning after promising to not direct another comic movie, Xochitl insisting to do her own stunts, and Xavier getting killed by a power-hungry red head (again).
Great job on the vid as always. Really loved Raimi’s direction. Fun fact: The writer of the film appears on the balcony besides Christine’s husband near the beginning of the film. He also worked on Rick & Morty.
The big thing that makes me love this movie in terms of style is that the panels and dialogue feel like they're pulled straight out of a comic. The shot composition, the framing, the transitions. They all feel so stylized to look like actual comic panels
3:33 I will never get tired of the Portal references on this channel.
4:10 Looked up Patton Parnel and that story is... disturbing. To say the least.
13:18 I've spent like 5 minutes analyzing this it's so cool how each angle is right.
13:54 Is... did you just make a The Office reference? xD
17:13 I think it's also a good clue to that every Wanda is extremely protective of her children. She was just posssessed, saw a dimensional rift, and almost killed two people while damning another, but her first thought it of the safety of her kids who weren't even invovled.
18:28 The harp note isn't a "nuke", it just triggers the unstable note bomb in front of Evil Strange's face.
Charles coming in wearing that suit, in that chair, to that music was the highlight for me.
I liked this movie but I honestly hoped for more multiverse shenanigans. We only got to see one universethat honestly didn't feel that different and a destroyed one, otherwise just one-second cameos.
I have to admit when a review for Multiverse of Madness revealed Scarlet Witch was the villain instead of just a co-lead, I was a bit ticked and even partially eyerolled, but after watching the movie, the execution of it was simply well done for me.
What stuck for me the most was the consequences of a fallen hero's actions not being washed away just because "oh, they did the right thing." We've had it in every flavor from "He was the right hand man to an evil empire who got his hands especially filthy, but he stopped his master, so he'll be remembered as a hero" to "He allowed himself to be aligned with an evil wizard for power and his deepest desire, resulting in untold loss and destruction, but he helped in the battle to bring everyone back, so he can stick around without anyone even so much as addressing his deeds". She destroyed the Darkhold in all universes, but the damage to her world and others is still there, and will remain so. Wanda even comes to terms with the fact the Darkhold wasn't 100% behind her actions, also avoiding "You did bad, but it wasn't you really because possession and/or mind control, so you're off the hook."
She opened it and closed it, knowing there was no coming back from where she fell, and made the sacrifice not to redeem herself or for the chance to be brought back with good graces, but because it was to stop any further harm others could do to themselves and other worlds. In some ways, I see it akin to Hal Jordan's turn to Parallax, trying to rebuild what he has lost and going to any length to achieve it, but the Wanda of the MCU, or at least 616, won't come back or be exonerated, and her arc is all the better for it.
On a lighter note, here's a missed win for 90s/2000s PlayStation 1 players: "The 2022 Neversoft logo looks great."
You really think she's not coming back? She 100% is.
Marvel wouldn’t waste wanda like that they know how much ppl love her
No body no death
Yeah all of it wasn't just the Darkhold's actions, it all came from herself. We all saw what she could do for her family in WV, but the darkhold dialed it up to 11 justifying the killings to her, which she wouldn't have ever done willingly without the Darkhold's influence.
Anson Mount getting that much deserved return to the MCU is honestly my fave surprise thing about this movie. I didn’t think they’d want to reference the one show they want folks to forget but I’m so glad Feige brought Anson back! Must be the Star Trek fan in Feige that made the decision! Also love that both Anson and Patrick Stewart got a MCU return the same week they both had their Star Trek shows airing at the same time! 😂
Also I really need them to have Earth 838 Franklin Richards show up and cause trouble, the movie even references that this Reed has kids. Franklin’s reality warping powers would make so many interesting stories if he’s pitted against the current main MCU timeline.
I hope we see Anson Mount again in the future.😭 Wether Kevin Feige wants him or not because he's an Inhuman hater.😠
Something I think is worth mentioning is how Prime Doctor Strange is the only one out of 3 Strange variants to let himself ‘not hold the knife’ as it were. We know ponytail Strange tried to use America’s power in the beginning, but also 838-Strange tried to dream walk to beat Thanos in his reality. He also tried to be ‘the one holding the knife’ to end that conflict. Prime Strange is the only one to let go of control and actually show a bit of trust in others
20:16 Definitely "America, F*ck Yeah!" is totally a win.
"Comsume all content" is basically the main advice I give to anyone who wants to starts to watch a big series. This and "give me an hour, I'll make you a list!"
while I didn't like the plot where wanda becomes the villain (after the sorta 50/50 we left off in wandavision), I can agree that there were some great things in this movies and awesome sequences (zombie strange has got to be my favourite part of the movie) (as a side note I don't hate this movie, I was just a little underwelmed by the lack of multiverse and somewhat simple plot though the plot was handled great regardless of how I feel about it because the character moments and parallels for strange and Wanda were great)
The Multiverse Fan Service that happened here so redeemed that Quicksilver fake-out in Wandavision. Seeing not just any Professor X, but our Professor X in the MCU made me so happy and it felt so earned, seeing as the X-Men franchise paved the way for what the MCU has become.
Thank you.
For doing this movie--Really REALLY underappreciated in my book--and I love how your philosophy is essentially "No movie without wins" you practically OOZE positivity, my man
I have been WAITING For this! This is my all-time favourite Marvel movie... I love every single aspect of it! The humour, the horror, the stylisation, and the directing... what an incredible movie.
Oz the Great and Powerful (2013) was the last film Sam Raimi before MOM. It also has a similar story to the Wizard of Oz. Dr. Strange is the wizard who actually is a wizard, America Chavez is Dorothy, Wanda is Theodora (the Wicked Witch of the West - both innocent girls who were tricked into turning evil), and Agatha is Evanora (the Wicked Witch of the East - who both tricked and lied to Wanda and Theodora in the first place).
Too bad you didn't give a win for the genuine thanks and appreciation that America gave to Strange before Strange returned to New York.
That scene was wonderful because after years of bouncing from reality to reality, America finally found a new family.
I would love it if you could do Tangled. It is my absolute favorite Disney princess movie. I dont think it gets the attention it deserves.
Hearing the 90s xmen theme while seeing Sir Patrick Stewart in the iconic yellow chair makes me smile every time
Regardless of what anyone says I love this film! Sam ram's style, Elizabeth Olson, she was just something else in this one best portrayal of Wanda by her, even Benedict as Dr strange nails it every time, all the horror elements with zombie strange being my favorite! It's just a very sentertaining film.
And at the end I also felt bad for Wanda because she doesn't want to hurt anyone, but still does and becomes a total monster which wasn't by her choice it was the darkhold.
There’s only two movies I’ve cried at- and for VERY different reasons
First one was Madagascar 3, probably cause 8-year-old me was just staring at the screen during the climax
Second one was this movie- cause holy fuck it’s 4 ways to die that I find terrifying
ESPECIALLY since it’s not a full head explosion with Black Bolt
This was the first time I get to see a marvel movie on opening night so it helped enhance my experience. It wasn’t perfect but it was a lot of fun
I love how Rintrah (the minotaur guy) was just there, and NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Nobody even looked twice at him. Nobody made a comment, or even talked to him. He was just there.
“the ole staff defense” is even more gold of a joke bc not only did you mention a bow staff but in music theory the “staff” is literally the lines that’s holding the notes👍😂
Call forward to She-Hulk, too, when Wanda realizes that her kids see her as a monster. “When people start seeing you as a monster, that never goes away.”