Revisiting EndeavourOS: It's Not So Bad
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- Today I talk about revisiting EndeavourOS and why I like it better now than I did before.
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2:10 Installation
5:41 My Install
8:47 Antergos V2
15:59 EndeavourOs vs ArcoLinux
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I love how Matt is modest. He's adept at Linux and makes it look easy then professes to not be an expert.
My linux brain read that as 'nomodeset'
Oh....and the reason for existing is multiple. For one, they do further testing on the software, they occasionally fix the stuff they get from Arch before deploying it. When they miss something, they quickly fix it and explain what happened on their forum. The Arch guys seemed to be in denial for a few days after last year's grub issue, and then they blame the user for not reading all of the release notes, meanwhile Endeavour had the problem fixed and an explanation on their forums within hours.
And that all extends to their community as well. You can ask questions and not get berated, there's no elitist gatekeepers. It's Arch without the baggage.
Saying EOS is a user friendly version of arch is totally wrong, their website literally states it's a terminal centric distro. And is not supposed to be specifically suited to beginners, rather intermediate users who can't be bothered to waste time installing arch.
The reason why the community editions are separate is because they aren't maintained by the official team of EOS and rather the community.
So the community editions don't actually seem to have access to the EOS repos maybe idk maybe that's why the installs are pretty slow although that's just my thought, it might be some other reason too.
"waste time install arch" while Archinstall exists, maybe there are other advantages, never used the GUI install is only helpful for beginners
I've been using it for over 6 months and very rarely touch the terminal.
100% this, Arch isn't hard to install but why waste time. This isn't supposed to be a user-friendly OS. It's for professionals who don't want to waste time. With ArchInstall, maybe that is a little more in question now. But people seem to forget Arch Install wasn't always a thing.
@@heroe1486 they keep going with that bullshit. they should use windows or mint
I daily drive EOS, but I wouldn't describe it as new-user friendly. IMO they aim to be more intermediate - hence "terminal-centric distro" and relative minimalism. Arch, but easier to install and with saner defaults like a firewall, paccache, and having aur helpers in their repo.
Also, the community editions are separated because they're maintained by community members instead of the EOS team.
maybe for someone who has no tech oriented skill/knowledge it isn't, but I'm runninng EOS after a month of using pop os on a laptop as my first linux distro. I'm having a great time with it so far, and I've never really used a terminal aside from occasional use of nodejs/npm on windows, the basics of terminal workflow has been super easy for me to get comfortable with. I've also had a far better time using pacman over apt-get and getting up to date packages for various applications I needed
I've been using Endeavor as my main OS for well over a year now. It has been rock solid, and I have ZERO complaints. This isn't supposed to be a "user-friendly" os, as they state on their site, it is a "terminal centric" os.
EndeavourOS is great precisely because it is so close to Arch, I want to know my installation won't be EOL and dead in 5 years, and I doubt Arch is going to be gone anytime soon. The graphical install and tooling EOS offer are purely for convenience. Sure, I am fully capable of installing Arch myself, but why waste the time when EOS takes a few short minutes to have a fully bootstrapped desktop environment and can be shaped to anything you desire? "BUT Arch Install" some people seem to forget that Arch Install wasn't always a thing...
At this point in my life, I need a quick and convient OS that won't die underneath me while I grind out my daily coding. I need something stable, and I wanted it to be Arch based, I like the ecosystem. I enjoy pacman, and love the AUR. EOS perfectly fits my needs, and I have had zero desire to move away from it since I installed. No crazy or glamorous reasons for me, it's just that simple.
I used Endeavour for almost a year with KDE. Worked like a charm. other then that 1 grub issue i didnt get any major issue and was stable. For arch based distros its best imo
I wouldn't say that endeavour is a "user friendly arch", because it's so close to vanilla. I see it more like calculate linux--designed for quick implementation. The community is also super nice.
i currently use fedora but i used endeavour before that. i do miss how helpful and knowledgeable the endeavour community was.
Love EndeavourOS Cause i want a GUI installer and a want a life disk with destop for system rescue so i can run a real GUI Web browser for troubleshooting. That "Vanilla Arch 1980 Terminal Only setup Iso" doesn't help me with that. And that vanilla arch iso is so big for just having a terminal on it ...
I've been using linux for a couple of years, mainly manjaro. Switched to endeavour this month after I goofed some stuff on the previous install and it's been super great. It just works, has a nice pacman frontend that also works with aur (yay) included by default AND it's the first distro that I've used that didn't create several desktop spaces by default on plasma. I never had a need for separate desktop spaces/rooms and it was a nice surprise then I didn't have to go to the settings and disable it. Plus it does kernel updates for you, so that's also a nice bonus, since I'am not that comfortable about updating the kernel and kernel modules, like nvidia drivers. Pretty solid arch based distro, would totally recommend
6:18 Really Matt? It seems to me that EOS never said it was a "gui-friendly" distro for beginners.
Welcome to EndeavourOS
A *terminal-centric* distro with a vibrant and *friendly community* at its core.
When they first started, that's what they proclaimed to be "new user friendly" and I didn't say GUI friendly. So your quotations were not needed.
@@TheLinuxCast new user frendly =/= gui
@@alejoalagente "new user frendly =/= gui" so why does it come with various options for your DE? /s
the way I read "new user friendly" is that they're 100% new to personal computers - sure they MAY have used windows a bit in school, grown up with an android phone, had a switch/xbox/playstation (if they're lucky), but all of them have their own built-in package manager (a term that nobody outside of linux users would ever know and at face value sounds like a job position at the post office) and didn't go with ubuntu/mint/etc. for whatever reason. so just like how there's an option for multiple DE's with a little blurb and picture about them, there could be one for terminal+yay vs. octopi/paman/etc. to not just give new users a choice, but a heads-up on "hey, even THIS is different and customisable on linux". it could even be non-intrusive by having a radio button that defaults to "I'ma use terminal" that you switch to "show me some package managers" under "how do you plan to install applications?" on the first page.
at least that's my take on it, and you're free to disagree (personally I disagree with them including firefox, should be waterfox imho), but with how stable EOS is, how friendly and helpful the community is, and how quick the devs are at fixing problems, it to me is a very valid consideration that booting up the EOS installer might even be the first time someone has even touched a mouse and keyboard in their life (especially in low-income areas), and as such this little convenience may go a long way wrt. the teething pains of linux becoming mainstream (outside of google's bastardisation known as android) and giving it +rep as people move away from recommending the bloated/buggy messes that are "beginner friendly" like ubuntu or manjaro or non-enterprise windows
EndeavourOS has stopped my distro hopping. It is clean, neat and streamlined. The community is supportive and savvy without the pretty much known Arch foibles (they help but it is likely that you'll be looked down during the process). I've already installed it on my 2 very old laptops (i3wm and xfce) and Plasma on my main desktop. Loving it.
It's actually great and has been my distro for a long time
Same, going on for a little over a year now.
It was pretty cool how quick they were on posting the fix to the broken grub bootloader issue a while ago.
@@Bert-og9rkI am currently using it, installing it was a pain because of the grub shit just kept breaking couldn't even go back on the windows i had to get a fresh windows install on a USB and repair the boot, but after getting it installed the experience is great so far
An excellent distro to mold into exactly what you need without too many extras. The EOS repo is small with their themes and adds; rest comes from the Arch repos. RebornOS is also in this class and a fine distro. EOS has a fantastic multi-platform community as others have noted.
It doesn't need a GUI front-end for software. It says in it's webpage that it's a "terminal center Distro"
That is a dumb decision, its decisions like this that slow Linux adoption
@@eduardoscorpio there are a lot of Ditros, if you want a Distro with a software "store" there are many Distros with it.
But saying that the one that explicitly says otherwise need one is just...
@@eduardoscorpio
Why would a windoze noob install a TERMINAL CENTRIC Linux?
EndeavourOS - A terminal-centric distro
@@Henry-sv3wv I WOULD. WSL
One thing about my experience with EndeavourOS is that it just worked! And has a great community too
I've been using the sway community edition of EndeavorOS for a few weeks and so far so good, I was too lazy to install arch and configure everything myself, it was a great alternative, it will do until I make my own sway config.
I was in the same place as you are right now. “Too lazy to do an arch install”. So my EOS bspwm edition broke 5x and i decided to install Arch. Best decision ever. It is kind of difficult but once you go through it, everything becomes clearer in your mind
@@jo971000 they are too lazy to use even arch install and read the wiki lol. it's not difficult. you have arch install and it's all written in the wiki even the install guide and other
@@sixdroid My main issue was configuring Sway, I've done it once with gentoo and it was annoying. EOS gives you something functional out of the box so I went with that.
Interesting to see how distros reimagine or reinvent themselves over time. Thanks for the summary my friend
nice vid Matt. I can't remember if u tried the striped down garuda linux yet. I love the auto snapshoting with btrfs and fish shell always installed?
Yeah I found it quite good and very quick although I recently ditched it due to my wireless keyboard and mouse having drop out issues on the OS (no problems on other distros) - yeah i think from memory you get under 1000 packages in Endeavour, and you end up with over 1200 in Arco.
Your Runic username looks nice!
Endeavouros is a base to build up your system the way you want it, not a polished finished distro with all the bells and whistles. You choose the bells and whistles yourself.
I tried EOS and it was snappy and neat but my Bluetooth driver wasn't working. I tried everything but not seen to work. I had a lot of problems try to download the gnome version. The mirrors are kinda slow and I encountered alot of failed installation. I had to go back to manjaro that works well out of the box
Does it have better font rendering compared to Manjaro Linux?
I love Endeavour so much that after I installed Arch and used it for a while just to say I have and that I can, I reinstalled Endeavour OS onto my laptop. I use Arch in a Virtual machine daily too but I really like being an active member of the EOS community and there's just something about it that I really love, aside from it being very close to Arch with all it's fast reboot times and performance. I normally use KDE but tend to use XFCE on EOS. I will continue to use Arch on my VM daily and practice Vim but I have to say EOS is one of my favourite ever distros.
Thank's Matt. But comparing Endeavouros and Arcolinux, I don't agree with You : one can install Arcolinux like Endeavour with a minimal set of features (kernel, xfce, ext4 or btrfs...) and afterwards add what one wants, like Endeavouros using tweaktool, pacman -S or a script for all main applications one uses. So easy, whatever distro is used. Comparing features and "wallpapers" is fine, but It would be very interesting and important to hear something about the developper-teams behind a distro.
Most people wouldn't be able to find the minimal version of Arco. I'd bet money that most people install XL or whatever it's called. Too many isos and not a good enough explanation on what iso is which.
@@TheLinuxCast Because the website is a mess. Or is it better now?
New viewer here. I wanted to let you know I really enjoyed this, as a long time EOS user you were more than fair.
What about now after 1 year and with KDE 6?
i think by just updating the mirrors using their welcome app makes both the community and main installer as fast as they can be... try it out next time :)
also yeah... many people, including myself installed endeavour because they didn't want to manually install arch again. so the purpose of its existence is under scrutiny but it's a decent distro nonetheless
After last week update, my eth0 module died (they moved system directories?).
Got it fixed after update via wifi
Now can't mount external hdd on usb.
Maybe my old lenovo g50-70 is just cranky🛠
It's a nice video tough, not blaming it for not being what you want, saying what you want and that in the end it's not for you
The archinstall script makes Arch easier to install, but it is a poor installer. It's better to still install Arch manually than rely on the archinstall script.
arch iso is terminal only. - LOL can't even use firefox and copy paste ...
default terminal font too small, my eyes commit suicide ...
and 800 MB iso or what is it for just a terminal - LOOOOOOOL
Great video Thank you
Never fired up Endeavour since I don't use Arch these days. (Used to, btw.) I did use Antergos, however, so assuming Endeavour is keeping that vibe alive it's a winner. Antergos was way more stable than Manjaro in my experience.
Nice rewiev 👍
I just want the blazing speed of an vanlilla arch install.. without the hazze! (I'm NOT doing fdisk or vi.. it's 2023. :P)
I use the Cinnamon Edition and it has never been a main stream OS. Xfce is the main install OS and has always been... It started out to be close to vanilla Arch just like Antergos, it did not even have the codec's so you could play video and audio. You had to manually install lots of stuff back then. Now they include more software now days... Mirrors work fine for me and are even fast on my DSL... Lol
I have never had but one issue with the installer and ti was a Bruce thing... 🤣
EndeavourOS and Ezarcher are my two Arch install's for my systems. Now, I do install ArcoLinux now and again... Lol The rest are my scripts to install what I want on my system...
You did a better job on this video! 👍
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Howdy, old friend! Nice to see Ezarcher mentioned! Got love the support. Thanks. 🙂
@@eznix Hay old pal of mine! Yep, always in your corner... 🤣 Did you see Joe Collins video tonight, You got a mention as he is moving to a new BigBoy and the one you sent is going bye bye... 😥
LLAP 🖖
Endeavour OS, Reborn OS & Cachy OS are the best arch based distros ever made
EndeavourOS is literally Arch + Calamares
Yes, I have Arco, and it's too busy with stuff I don't use or want to see. Artix, Manjaro--both good. Did Arch itself for a while. Haven't had a personal computer in a while; Endeavour looking strong. Shalom.
If I decide to choose rolling release that would be OpenSuse Tumbleweed.
Real rock solid rolling
I had the same impression when it didn't have a GUI "package manager" by default, especially since KDE Plasma includes the Discover app shortcut in the taskbar by default even though it was not installed (I think KDE has fixed this though). Installing Discover was easy however and I came to appreciate that I way prefer them installing less stuffs (all of which I do use) than installing more stuffs that I will never use.
Also EndeavourOS has been *really* stable and performant for me on all my machines of different permutations, including my main machine with an NVIDIA GPU. A lot of the things they put/configure into their distro are subtle but very crucial to having a good experience for most people. Which is likely why they had to differentiate the "Community Editions" as they are created and maintained by the community, and not curated by them so they may not offer the same great experience. The knowledge base articles they wrote and publish on their website of varying topics are also very, very helpful (I normally use these, then the Arch wiki if I need more info).
I literally do not have to tweak anything via the Terminal beyond installing Discover and enabling Bluetooth (which they disabled by default for security), which is why it's also on my partner's PC and my family PC, and they all love it. Prior to EndeavourOS, I've used: Elementary OS, Pop!_OS, and Manjaro, and they all broke on me on several different systems for no good reason. The two Debian/Ubuntu-based distros also were the ones that required the most tweaking using the Terminal - which meant I totally wouldn't ever install them on any PC that isn't mine because it just wouldn't be possible.
i used EndeavourOS for a while, its good specially if you dont want any issues.
I tried many distros Debian, Manjaro, Mint, Nobara, and prob around 13 more but now I use Arch Linux and ngl I like it more than any of the other options for many reasons.
-. No scuffed bs to deal with. In Debian and other distros there were always some annoying issues out of the box which made me think "thats just how linux is, its not as good yet..." (no issues in Arch at all, do it right and it literally just works.)
-. No bloated bs you never touch
-. minimalistic but beautiful, couple configs later I run a beautiful desktop with 1.3gb RAM idle
-. software always up to date and aviable
-. pacman.
And its not much work, even if you don't want to write 1000 commands you now have a simple installer.
Their "eos-*" tools are actually really useful. Even the eos-nvidia-fix works well. Ask me how I know.
Best thing about Endeavouros is the community.
Mi little bit of criticism: you can't criticize the Debian website as much as you have and not even mention how Arco Linux's website is kind of a big issue for anyone who wants to try that thing.
At least the Arcolinux guy tried to make it clearer when refactoring last year, unfortunately it's not, it's more like his personal blog than a distro website.
He should just have the main page explain quickly what Arcolinux and b/c/d whatever are and give download links and then have a blog/course section, if I was using Arco I might have done it for him.
I used Endeavour OS for nearly 3 months. It was a different experience for me because I've never used Arch based distros up to that point. There were pros and con with my experience. I found that with xcfe, Endeavour OS could be quite lightweight (the main reason I love xfce) and I'm talking only running several 100 MBs of memory. The pacman package manager easy to use. However, I found that EndeavourOS is not meant for all hardware. I changed my main laptop and unbeknownst to me the hardware was not upgrade-able, so when I installed Endeavour on it, I found that the hardware limited the experience. If I opened multiple webpages, I found that it would cause the laptop to lock up (even while using xfce) and the problem would have been solvable had the laptop had more ram, and eventually I had to distro hop to another distro. All in all, Endeavour OS is an effecient, lightweight experience but I do strongly urge people to be wary of what hardware they install it on.
are you sure it wasn't because you didn't set up a swap partition/file? iirc endeavour doesn't default to create one automatically
@@glebglub yeah I’m kinda certain because the Thinkpad I had, with more memory and HD space, was able to handle Endeavour smoothly without any freeze-ups. But again, that’s just the experiences I had with Endeavour.
I have been using the i3 version since February and i have been enjoying it
It doesn't matter how long you are using it though, well at least it doesn't matter much.
For example, I have been using linux since 2001 but i'm pretty sure you are more advanced than I.
Mi gusta EndeavourOS
I couldn't install EndeavourOS on bare metal so I gave up and used archinstall script which worked well.
You were correct, It did not work for me, would not even load up correctly.
I'm fond of endeavourOS after having switched from Manjaro and Pop!OS for the very reason that it (heh) endeavours you to setup the system in your own way and be aware of just enough parts of Arch with their Welcome app to decide how to tailor it to your needs without bloat where possible.
I currently use the Cinnamon desktop environment and the only time I've had a big issue is of my own making with breaking locales when trying to revert to English, which I was able to trace as a result of well, having done most of the setup for apps I need 😅
Though I agree that for new users, this might not be the most ideal first Linux distro, they have to be the type that's willing to be resourceful imo
Great video. Totally agreed.
I just got a Macbook Air 2015. Other channel was recommending EndeavourOS. Since my computers use Debian, was good for me to try Arch. Loving it! great distro. I ditch Manajaro after an update breaking my system in 2 weeks from setting up a computer.
Not having any app installed I think it&s also a plus. I install what I want.
GG EndeavourOS... GG
If I had to guess, Endeavour isn't for Linux noobs as much as it is for people who like the Arch environment, are already used to it, but want to hit the ground running on a new computer or else not deal with setup/config.
I have been an Arch user for the past 5 years and I will be very honest with you all dispite distros like Endeavour. Arch is not for everyone you have to have this mind set I call restlessness, never satisfied and always trying to achive that perfection in coding that most distros can not give to you. I do not use any other operating system with the exception of Debian mainly because we go back to the 1993 when I wrote scripts for Ian Murdock. Arch is an operating system if you really would like to know how Linux works Arch would be the perfect one to learn and explore because there are a ton of users out there that are more then happy to assist you. My humble view point of course.
So far its been really unstable, hard locks, locked reboots and shutdowns are the norm. I haven't seen this on Ubuntu 23.10
EOS is not easy Arch, it's lazy Arch. That's why it doesn't need a store IMO, installing a package with yay is faster so they include yay instead.
It's an easier version of Arch, but Endearbor is still aiming to be a very terminal-centric distribution.
I could replace EOS with Arch in 10 minutes. It's a great distro for Arch beginner.
Endeavor is definitely the opposite of Arco. But the reason for Arco is education,and teaching the Linux user by taking them thru different ways of using and installing Linux
Maybe they don’t want to support the community editions because they’re made by the community and don’t want people complaining about something they didn’t create?
For me endeavouros is just an installer for arch Linux and I simply uncheck all of the GUI packages and then build my system "the arch way" from a bar bones starting point
I mean archinstall takes few minutes to figure out
@@heroe1486
1. I used endeavouros before arch install was really stable so still had to use endeavour
2. Using arch install requires setting up partitions yourself which the endeavour installer can do now easily
> I mean archinstall takes few minutes to figure out
@@heroe1486
And i still don't want to be any second in a terminal only ISO with a too small default font and no firefox help and no copy paste especially if i need to recover a system with chroot
Been comparing EndeavourOS in a VM to base Arch Linux. A few things I feel the need to point out.
First of all, I love the presentation of EndeavourOS. If you're going to take the training wheels off new users, might as well do it in style. The amount of options in the installer tweaks is generous. This is how you get the average Joe to be comfortable.
Unlike Archinstall, EndeavourOS's installer for whatever reason doesn't allow you to exclusively install the LTS kernel. It would be appreciated if they closed that gap and allowed you to only install the LTS kernel.
I've encountered a situation where stripping down the XFCE desktop and LightDM to bare bones via the installer would break something. Systemd would get stuck trying to mount a volume, requiring a chroot to fix the issue. A fairly serious speedbump that I've only encountered with the XFCE option.
I’m not sure about only, but I recently installed EOS and the LTS kernel appears to be the default after my install
All these Distros are pointless with *archinstall* coming to bear. Heck even vanilla Debian is prime time ready now. May be a tiling Window feature would be something different
>All these Distros are pointless with archinstall coming to bear
NO because i don't want a stone age terminal only ISO, i want a live desktop that can run firefox and copy paste. But copy paste and a default font not too small for my eyes is too modern for Arch ISO.
And that iso is almost 900MB in size for just a terminal. While Porteus-XFCE-v5.0-x86_64.iso is 348MB AND COMES WITH XFCE.
"But we put 32 bit and 64 bit on our arch iso!" yea, whathever i have ventoy and can run multiple isos on a stick ...
I, for one, don't miss a graphical software store. And I hope they drop everything except xfce and bspwm
i do agree on it being super slow, it is the slowest distro i've ever installed, and it's not even bloated.
I once tried EndeavourOS KDE last year and it had various Plasma bugs which did not affect vanilla Arch or Garuda Linux. As a former Arch user and current Fedora KDE user, I must say that EndeavourOS is disappointing and overrated.
Sounds like you haven't tried it in a long time.
Xerolinux FTW
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