Dude, are you using software center? Like a.... GUI? EndeavourOS is for advanced users and there is no need to be preinstalled software center which is used only by beginners for their first hour or two in linux.
@@StaglyMusic EndeavourOS doesn't market itself for advanced users. It markets itself as an easy way to install Arch, which would by definition draw in people who prefer GUIs. New users.
@@StaglyMusic Dad Son: EndeavourOS is for advanced users who don't need a GUI. Also Dad Son: * uses an Arch-based distro with a GUI installer instead of vanilla Arch like real advanced users * Lol get fucked, dude. You don't sound like an "aDvAnCeD uSeR", you sound like a fishy, worn out twat.
What makes Endeavour special for me is the fact that they don’t mess with it too much. It’s an easy way to install Arch and it’s closer to plain Arch than most other distros. However, I realise that new users may want something more than that. For me though, I’m going to remove any theming and do my own thing anyway, so this fits the bill when I can’t be bothered to do a vanilla arch install. Good video Matt.
I switched to EndevourOS from Manjaro about 3 months ago and I am really enjoying my time with this distro. The reason was I simply wanted something relatively minimal without the necessity of installing base Arch.
The whole "Terminal centric distribution" and having a rather clean Arch based starting point is what actually got me really interested in EnveavourOS. I love the Terminal, I even use it quite often in MacOS and I've used other Linux distributions in the past. Now I got really interested in Arch for a used workstation I recently bought, but I would probably not be able to install Arch from scratch, nor am I even interested in doing it currently. So having something that is basically an Arch installer, an easy starting point with my favourite desktop environment preinstalled, but not too much else, is perfect for me. The way I interpret and understand "a new user to Arch" is a littler different from yours. Someone that knows how to work with other distributions will usually be able to figure out a new package manager quite easily if they've used other ones before. Like a programmer learning a new language and its syntax - the concepts remain similar. BUT what that user can't suddenly figure out is how to install everything from scratch without an installer. And that's exactly where EnveavourOS supports you... the installing process. I'm glad they didn't take it too far and added all kinds of other things. Simply put, without something like EndeavourOS to help me, I would probably never have bothered trying Arch. Manjaro for example is already too different for me to consider it close to Arch and its advantages.
Agree with you. I do like EndeavourOS, but you need to have time to maintain it. You need to be able to run updates probably at least once a week, so you need to have a system to check for release notes prior to the update. For a daily driver, I find it hard to schedule that maintenance time. Just comes down to personal preference, I guess.
I'm new to Arch and Endeavour was a breath of fresh air. It attracted me because it's Arch and terminal based. The lack of GUI was a plus for me. What I needed help with was setting up the window manager dependencies, like notifications and autostart services, polkit etc, and EOS' default made it a lot easier to get started. I was willing and wanted to learn the terminal based approach, so I appreciated the position they took with no GUI, and the help to get started with i3. I guess that makes me the target audience, and I'm very grateful for the distro.
EOS Cinnamon has been my daily driver for 14 months and I'm a huge fan. However, the first thing I did during setup was to install pamac-all and enable support for flatpaks & snaps. I've also tried Octopi and honestly, I don't understand why it gets so much scorn. Pamac and Octopi both work fine as far as I can tell. One reason I've stuck with EOS for 1 year+ is the community. I feel welcome and I'm not a tech nerd at all. The other reason is stability. EOS is a "set it and forget it" type of distro. I spend zero energy on maintenance and troubleshooting. It just works! Great review and fun video as usual. Keep keeping it real Matt!
I made the jump to a full linux user back in October and am very happy and EndeavourOS is my distro that I've landed on and really enjoy. Ive tried mint, pop, arco, manjaro, arch w sway, ultimately ended up here by a fluke. As a new user Ive learned a lot in Endeavour because of how little it was configured, it was enough to hit the ground running. I have ran into no problems at all with this distro and am very happy, I run both gnome and i3. I'm happy you gave it a shot. Also I have audacium installed on both my systems but I used yay to build it might want to see if that works. Enjoyed the video and love the podcast.
@@pedrohqb yeah... No. It's dumb not to include just discover or flatpak. I installed EndOS last night on my surface pro 5 and loving it. I don't remember the last time I just enjoyed using a computer and discovering new things. But things like this keep EndOS from reaching critical mass.
My experience... used Windows for 25 years, after experiencing Windows 11 for a few months I started evaluating each and every major Linux distro out there. The only distro that made me really happy was EndeavourOS and the only change I had to make was to replace the useless Nvidia card for an AMD one to enjoy Wayland properly. EndeavourOS with Gnome is the best combo for me and the only regret I have is of not moving to the Linux world earlier in my life. For me Endeavour OS is a proper operating system, it has the right amount of layering to access what is on offer without having to go through multiple layers and at the same time, it is has all the necessary tools not to force you into unnecessary manual tasks. If all somebody is looking for is a Windows like OS, this is definitely not for them. If they are after a great OS that will not stand in their way accomplishing their tasks, then this is the right OS. I have replaced the OS in all my desktops/laptops with EndeavourOS while at the same time I am running a few servers with Fedora and Ubuntu. Couldn't be any happier...
@@zacktim3056 Yes I did for quite some time, it is an ideal OS for somebody coming from Windows. The design is excellent and for a while I thought I am going to stick with it. But since I tried the non Windows style UIs as well I decided over time that I prefer the simplicity of Gnome (and the customisation options it has). I also prefer a rolling distribution, i.e. a distro that keeps updating everyday to the latest features, thus my final choice was Endeavour with Gnome front end (it has support for all major desktops btw).
@@zacktim3056 I very rarely use pacman, to install packages 99% of the time I use 'yay'. I search for the name of the package online first, e.g. 'intellij arch', I find the package name 'intellij-idea-ultimate-edition 2022.2.1-1' then I type >yay intellij-idea-ultimate-edition. It will present me with all the options, I will select the number of the option I want and it installs it. Then for updates I use the Endeavour OS 'UpdateInTerminal' script. It updates the OS and all the packages I have installed. BTW I am not trying to convince you or anything, use whatever you are happy with, all major Linux distros are great replacement for Windows. I use Fedora on my physical servers as well as Ubuntu server in some VMs.
@@mmil that is nice, i never heard of yay, hmm actually I don't do big things on Linux other than browsing or coding, store personal files, run few VMs etc.. I guess Zorin fit my needs.
I think the name speaks for itself; for many the Terminal is their final frontier, before "getting good" with it. It's definitely a "step in between" using Manjaro and using pure Arch.
Nailed it. Great distro, not for newbies, and one has to be comfortable with the terminal. That and it's a good Arch install/configuration. It's very good for experienced Linux users, and can be used as a bridge to go pure Arch or other distros for experienced users. The devs write the dozen or so apps; they may not be theme makers and rely upon the community for that assistance.
Arch is no more or less for experienced users as any distro uses the terminal and all distros have experienced and very intelligent users. You can use the terminal and edit configuration files with any distro. Arch is for users who prefer the terminal over graphical configuration and who desire to tinker at lower levels combined with a desire to be on the cutting edge at the cost of broken packages which happens from time to time as demonstrated in the update to this video regarding just such events. It might be hard to believe , but not everyone uses computers the same and some very experienced users do not want to manually edit configuration files or debug programs they rely on for daily use or want to tinker under the hood. Arch users talk down to non Arch users which in turn comes across as arrogant. I happen to know a ton about RPM distros and have a great deal of experience such as writing kernel modules, rpm packaging, customizing selinux to name a few. I never run GUI on servers. If you ever need support on those things I promise to do my best without bragging that RPM systems are for advanced users only and ask as you and the Arch users to do the same . Users really are not better or more advanced simply because they choose Arch and Arch is really no more advanced than rpm systems they are designed with different goals.
@@PhayzinOut snarky comment at best. I would never advise Arch to a new user. First the installation is difficult and second it requires a bit of experience on reading documentation and man pages and last the Arch support community is arrogant and certainly not welcoming to inexperienced users. No need to be an expert to know Arch is a poor choice for new users.
I started using EndevourOS BSPWM as my first dive into arch and a WM. I’ve been using different variations of Ubuntu for a while, and I wanted to go arch. The BSPWM config is super clean, polybar and the actual WM are super easy to config and gave me no issues. I use my laptop almost entirely for school, so using this for hours on end every day has been great. Coming from mint and pop-os, my experience has been stable and streamlined. I do agree that not having a GUI package installer is odd, but I just used endeavor since I didn’t feel like configuring arch from scratch.
Good video Matt! I was not meant to be special install I think. It’s an easy way to install Arch and it’s closer to plain Arch than most other distros. If you think it is to bare. You should have seen it when the project first started after Antigos ended. You had to install 98% of everything you wanted and the Xfce was just above plain and was themed a bit. If you wanted a video or music player you installed it all including the codecs and it was not even close to what you get today! Yes I use since the beginning of EndeavourOS and I'm a Fan Matt! Trust me when I say it is 100% top notch and easier to use now days. As for Theming I'm glad they leave it alone. Xfce is the flag ship and the Community versions are separate and i'm glad to see that because like your ArcoLinux it is choise's right? I for one am glad it is Not like the others... Lol The forum is the second best thing about EndeavourOS and very helpful and friendly. You may get, "See the Wiki for that." once in a while you will never get RTFM... :-) I use EndeavourOS and Ezarcher as my base Cinnamon installs and have never had any issues installing anything I have every tried and that includes Audacity, so I'm confused about you issues. Not a good reason to stop using it to me... LOL Thanks again Matt! BTW you did not Pizz me off... :-P LLAP
What you mentioned in the beginning, is the reason why I basically stopped using Linux as my main desktop system after using it for about 6 years. Completely different story for servers and embedded systems btw! (which I have been working with for over 12 years or so) It's like non-stop walking on eggs-shells and instead of having positive discussions, I found many communities very toxic. (maybe even an understatement for some distros) Mostly it's a totally being offended vs defending fight. There is close to zero space for just having different opinions and taste. (sometimes EVEN from the developers themselves, which is quite crazy to think about) In the end it just made me just not enjoying using my computer anymore. It's sad, some distros have so much potential. I wish there would be a less little bubble on an island culture, and rather a good collaboration instead.
I've only recently walked away from MS Windows 10. There are so many different ways to configure Linux, and so many different distros to choose from, that I just picked a couple that seemed easy enough to get started with, so I ended up comparing LMDE 5 and Manjaro. I like them both, but I decided to go with Manjaro. That has been about two weeks and so far I'm happy. I do want to understand Linux more, so I've created a VM and installed Arch Linux. They have a nice script now that you can run that makes installing Arch quite easy. Of course, I will have to select a DE and some other stuff and learn how to put the pieces together.
EndeavourOS and other Arch based ones feel kinda similar, and hence great distros in general. To get a different feel, I decided to try out an old (around 2000-2002) favorite of mine... SuSE (and Mandrake was another favorite of mine around that time). For some reason, after Ubuntu came out, I stuck mostly with Debian based ones. I tried their rolling version... Tumbleweed, and since openSUSE is known to offer a nice KDE desktop, I decided to go for that setup. So far I am loving it just like I loved it before. I am also loving their full documentation books. Feels like I will keep using it for some more time. Also using btrfs for the first time. I wonder if I can move back to ext4 after this. Fun times.
im actually interested in moving from garuda to endeavor precisely for the reasons you think its lacking! this video actually got me excited about endeavor os
After a lot of distro hopping i ended up with Endeavouros, XFCE DE. It's not for noobs but i'm a noob and still with the help of the friendly community (not something that can be said from the Arch community) and reading the EOS wiki and Arch wiki well EOS is here to stay with me. Will it please everyone? Of course not. It hasn't failed me yet unless i f*** it up myself, is it an easy distro? To my opinion, yes. Fyi yay is standard installed, i installed octopi as GUI way to install soft. However the base idea in EOS is to, like you mention, be as close as possible to Arch. It is a terminal centric distro, even mentioned on the EOS website. Am i going to hit you? No, why would i ... the EOS community is the most friendly community i know and that's also a reason to stick to EOS for me. But it's a free world and everyone can do (install) what they want. Thanks for the review, one hint please do try the XFCE DE of EOS, light and fast!!
I used Endeavour os my daily driver for quite some time. I like it better then Manjaro, felt it was more stable for me and it is cleaner out of the box then other distros witch is hard to achieve. The clean part is easy but to put together something that's stable and clean is a bit more tricky. Anyway that's my 2 cents on Endeavour. Off-topic if you like me use proton you should give proton-ge a look it fixes alot of problems for a ton a games, i love that project. Quite ambitious little project. Like you channel so far just found it a wile back. Keep up the good work.
Someone showed me EndeavourOS after Antergos hit the can. Didn't really express much interest until recently. I think I'm going to turn to it since installing Arch Linux has been such a major pain.
@@_devilfish303 Yeah, I've used it. The issue I have specifically with Arch is trying to set up encryption. archinstaller helped, but I still managed to have issues when installing in a VM.
You gave a fair analysis. They need something unique to their distribution. Even just a highly customized desktop theme. Since graphical software installation is lacking, this could be such a means of differentiation for them. Maybe they could call it.... Endeavor package manager. I also notice that they want to be known as a terminal-centric distribution. This is a bit strange since they claim to be the successor of Antergos a GUI-centric distribution.
Been using EOS for a few weeks and I'm thinking about switching to it from my main Kubuntu. I have been using Linux for almost two decades now so I know my way around it. No issues for me launching a terminal and getting busy. EOS markets themselves as a terminal centric distro, and to me that means no or almost no GUIs. Not really a "newbie" distro, but more like and easy to install Arch. I really like it and the issues I have had with it are general issues I have with Arch and it's derivatives. I like it the most out of the other Arch distros. As for not having a graphical package manager by default, I don't see the problem. If you go back to their own marketing, then you should not expect a graphical package manager. Pamac is not that great and sometimes crashes or freezes in rather ungraceful ways. Yes, it's a Manjaro program and the version in the AUR is not the same version as Manjaro uses. Octopi is better, despite Octopi's design not really being pleasing to look at.
As a Linux beginner, I do not want a GUI package manager. I just want vanilla Arch but with a DE, and some basic tools but not more. I tried to intsall Arch a a few times, but it just didn't work. One time I forgot that I have BIOS instead of UEFI, one time I forgot to install any netzwork tools so the install wouldn't even connect to the internet via LAN, one time I used the command "archinstall" which is a terminal installer but it just failed, and one time messed up somewhere else. I currently use manjaro, and think EndeavourOS sounds like the perfect fit for me, no bloat software but not manual install... (I have been using Linux for 7 months btw)
First very nice review and follow up. I have used Arch and IMO it has a few pitfalls. First IMO it is not similar to other Linux distros under the hood and there is too much, IMO, that is Arch specific. Second I do not enjoy tinkering with the OS under the hood. When combined with #1 I just don't want to spend the time reading Arch specific documentation.. Then there is the Arch support, at times the are arrogant and if I am struggling with some Arch specific configuration files and have read but not understand the documentation or the documentation falls short the last thing I need is arrogant tech support. At the end of the day if I want the low level configuration style offered by Arch I just use Gentoo which offers better control as I really do not see any advantages of Arch over gentoo in the above respects and gentoo gives even finer control via the USE flags.
@ min. 7:34 you mentioned Antergos, I had a flashback back then when I was using it as my main Linux OS for like a year and a half before it died, I loved it because it worked so well on my main PC, never had a serious issue with it!
I switched over to EndeavourOS KDE about 2 months ago after using Manjaro KDE for off and on for 2 years. I trust Endeavour because it's closer to vanilla Arch than Manjaro. I get packages quicker and there aren't the extra bugs added by Manjaro. My Endeavour build has been stable. My Manjaro builds were far from stable.
I super support their decision of not using a gui application installer. Would just be another thing to uninstall. Arch is "it's better to install something you need than uninstall something you don't" and Endeavor os keeps that idea, but provides an easier starting ground, which I absolutely love
It's a nice distro. That's it and that's all. The fact you cannot easily delete your profile from the forums (or at least not in an obvious way) tells you sth. But in general I find the people there friendly. What the big fuzz is about i don't understand, Arch Linux GUI and Calam-Arch do at least a comparable, and for me better, job. PS: as said below by @Zach Shapiro: their bspwm version is worth coming back for, it is a great spin!
EndeavourOS is basically Arch without the complicated install process, I use it because it's more convenient, rather than not knowing how to install Arch. But yeah the direction of the distro is strange. They kinda half-theme desktops, don't include a software store, want to be close to Arch but add their own themes and suite of apps.
Agree, I've successfully installed Arch several times (did this to learn the basics) but at some point you don't really learn anything anymore, and it becomes more of a hassle or a tedious chore. And if I'm going to install pretty much everything that EOS ships with anyway, might as well just install EOS.
I switched from Manjaro to Arco, but had problems with Arco. Then I went over to Endeavouros, and after initial hiccups, have been using it quite comfortably.
The reason I installed Endeavour OS was because it's basically a stock Arch linux with a graphical installer. I just don't want to use the time necessary to install arch from scratch anymore. Call me lazy. (I've been using arch linux on and off since around 2008). I like the terminal and find myself installing software from there rather from the gui. Besides Discover only has flatpak applications and in some cases they are not working as well as the native ones.
For my personnal experience EOS is a really nice "somewhat beginner" experience Because as much as I love doing stuff in the terminal and I don't mind installing apps in it as well, I don't want to spend time install Arch "the right way" So to me it has hit the right spot, because I could get an Arch based distro pretty quickly up and running, while also doing all my things from the terminal Even tho I'm a heavy Windows user because of MS Access, and I manage lots on Linux servers, that was my first Linux Desktop distro maybe since 2008, and honestly it fits my usecase pretty well
If you don't want to go through the hassle of installing arch, it doesn't mean that you don't know how to use a package manager. Also pamac is very unstable, especially the GUI, after a while it would just not work...
Oh big agree on pamac, I tried out Manjaro (switched to it from base Arch) and it got to the point where it was so unstable I just didn't want to use it anymore, I've also heard there are some issues with pamac and pacman not installing stuff the same way by default, so you end up not being able to update the stuff installed on pamac through pacman (I don't know if that's true but it sounds like an inconvenience)
10 Years Ubuntu , 5 Years Manjaro, and now for a few month on EOS. Feels like it could be my friend for the next years. Since the step to Manjaro I use KDE only.
I totally agree with you, i feel the same concerning this distro. So many keep screaming that it is the best arch distro. Really? Like you said, it doesn't stand out at all, the look is really poor and doesn't have a soul. Seriously, if people want pure arch, just go with pure arch and customize as you wish. I've heard some saying i don't like having gui in Manjaro, even if you can still use the terminal if you don't like it.. and sorry, you have to take risks, even if something is messed up, in order to improve a system
bspwm version uses 650 mb ram (almost as much as your kde installation) out of the box on my laptop. i've seen youtube installations of same version and it normally uses 250-300 mb ram. i don't know why it uses double the amount of ram on my computer. i still prefer ArcoLinuxB-Dwm but EndeavourOS-Bspwm is also nice when you can install it, because Endeavour 8 out of 10 times could not be installed on my hardware, errors and issues. when i was finally able to install without a problem, it was very nice though. very close to bare bones arch, just preconfigured. 10:15 maybe it's for people who can install arch the right way, but chooses not to do it everytime they install new OS because it's time consuming, it's wrong to automatically assume that it targets the new users. personally, i don't think it targets the new users at all, so i support the no-gui installer decision. i don't really get why people assume that the ones who want quick and preconfigured installation of arch must be new and inexperienced users. experienced users also might want a quick and preconfigured installation, you know. only thing i had to do after installing endeavour bspwm was installing brave browser, changing the window border colors from aqua to bright red, uncomment picom in autostart config (i don't why but picom is the only thing that comes as commented, and i love transparent terminals with blurred backgrounds). then i was good to go. arcolinux and endeavour VM versions saves me a ton of time.
You only have to master two terminal commands to install the majority of software: pacman and yay. Not that big of a deal to learn. I think that it is a great stepping stone into the Arch world. EOS is easy to install, and once you take the very small step of installing software using the terminal, you are well on your way. You can install pamac if you want using yay, but once you master yay there isn't any need for pamac.
Late to comment here. (I'm new to Arch but not linux) I had a Arch install, that i had worked on for some time, but an update broke it, and made it freeze a minute after boot. I tried for weeks to fix it, but failed. Even reinstalled from scratch, and the problem was back. Tried a manjaro install, and that to was unstable. Then i installed EndeavourOS, and it worked with no problems. Ran an update, and the same problem was back. in the end i tracked it down to Kernel 6.3.5 (and .6) which was unstable on my hardware. So reinstalled EndeavourOS, and blocked kernel updates in pacman.conf. and now have a working system again. Luckily EndeavourOS base install was very close to the setup i had with my own Arch install, so it was only a couple of tweaks to get back to normal. EndeavourOS is faster to reinstall than Arch for me, and gives me very close to the same experience. So that is my goto distro for now. The good thing, is that i now have a much better understanding of error tracking in linux, and got more acustomed to messing with kernel updates :-)
EndeavourOS has stopped my distro hopping. It is clean, neat and streamlined. The community is supportive and savvy without the pretty much known Arch foibles (they help but it is likely that you'll be looked down during the process). I've already installed it on my 2 very old laptops (i3wm and xfce) and Plasma on my main desktop. Loving it.
For me ive been going back and forth between continuing to maintain vanilla arch linux or going towards one of the prepackaged arch distros, shy away from manjaro for security concerns, cachyos seems young and not sold on if itll stick around, endeavor seems nice, garuda felt like it made me less productive and focused more of "flashy"
Endavour is basically just arch with an installer. Makes perfect sense to me, I can install arch just fine (done it on every machine I've owned for years), I just can't be bothered. I don't see any advantage in doing it manually
I tried endeavour os and it is a really nice system. I really enjoyed it but I really do want a gui application manager. I know it's taboo, whenever I've asked on reddit or other forums you get called all sorts of names. I think you should get an option to install one.
The best thing I can say, is that if you want to install ufw or plextv it forces you to learn Linux harder, so far plex-tv works but can not access my drive, it is hardened, more friendly is linuxmint in multiple aspects, endeavor is fast, more secure and a rolling distro.
On my dedicated Linux systems, I just use archinstall and Arch. But on dual-boot systems, EndeavorOS is nice because it will recognize Windows and configure Grub properly for dual-boot without any extra work. And, once you're in, you're basically just using Arch. I agree that it's not a great system for a noob, but I wouldn't recommend any Arch-based distro for that. People just starting out are better with Mint, which is very stable and won't require frequent updates (or break from them). And people who don't read PKGBUILD files and exercise knowledgeable caution have no business using the AUR--even if yay or paru (or, worse yet, pamac) lets them do it.
As a completely confused newbie, I do not have a problem with installing software in the terminal. Too many graphic systems are soo soo bad. Installing Arch is intimidating, it really is. I'm never sure if I did it correctly, even when it works.
NAMING ? The one question I always have - is why so some DISTROS (Ubuntu derivatives) Write just a generic "Ubuntu" into the boot menu. Whereas - other Distros will write something more specific in the boot menu. The problem is - If I install more than one Ubuntu based ISO.... I can't tell which is which. I should add - I have Four SSD's.
Yeah I wanted to use arch and I heard that EOS was easy to install and heard hood things about it. Not being a tech nerd though, I couldn’t figuare out how to install any software. Took me over an hour to find step by step instructions to find a way to burn an Arcolinux iso to a usb and finally leave my nightmare lol. Arco Linux is easy to install and has a gui for software. It’s kind of strange to make it easy to install and then leave people on their own once they are in. You might have at least just left it vanilla so you’d learn as you go. Not bashing it. Some people love the terminal and it’s great for them, but for me, I just want to learn a little at a time while being able to use my software I like when I want. Arcolinux is arch and provide tech inept a good experience. I had it up and running with my software rather quickly and now I can use Arch without the frustration of not knowing anything lol
If we take the big four Arch distro's we can observe that Manjaro took Arch and made it a full daily experience for newcomers but also for experienced users, Arco and Eric worked his ass off to give us the most rich and full Arch installer out there. Garuda is a weird case, when they introduced their distro it was in someway broken, now it feels more stable, but in my opinion Garuda's strong card isn't the sweetified theming but the use and tweaks of Linux tech under the hood, Fedora also does that, and i always liked it. To justify this, i always said that if no one uses Wayland & Pipewire by default for example, they are never gonna be the standard solution, and it's time for Linux to evolve. EndeavourOS its the less appealing Arch distro for me, it feels meaningless. Why dont just install vanilla Arch? Dunno, they should enrich the experience of their distro. P.S. If there is something that i like on EndevourOS is their theming/colors etc.
Because it is supposed to be a default experience and close to Arch while having a better installation process than Arch. Being in a live enviroment and can browse some problematic stuffs while installing the OS is helpful, especially when using the only PC you have with just one monitor. It's for those who want to venture while also being afraid to be bombarded with the Arch's default way of installing their OS. I feel like I'm the target audience for EndeOS. I want a hassle free installation (because I don't just sit in front of my computer while installing a software) and get as pure to default experience as possible (because I can paint the canvas later)
I had 1 issue that made it a deal breaker. For some reason everytime I switched to a different SSID/AP the upgrade would break and firce me to clear the cache or something, cannot remember what because it was a few months back. But having to fix something if I try to install/update software on anything but my default AP was just too much. PS actually had another issue on 3 different ISOs: online install just wouldn't work... Got stock a ways in
Watchers of this video should realize that coming from a Windows background and being unfamiliar with Linux - it's hard to understand how installation can be anything other than clicking the word INSTALL in the GUI and watching the result before your eyes!
I’m more of a Mac/Windows user, and I can’t wait to install EOS in one of my production laptop for system penetration. I had installed Arch Linux a few years back, and my god it was not fun 😢 Anyway does anyone know if Black Arch Linux pkgs would be compatible with EOS?
I changed to EndeavourOS from Manjaro a while ago. I used the i3 edition and the default was good enough for me (lots of stuff that I would customize the same way). I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty configuring i3 but there was a lot of keybindings and startup scripts that were missing in the system. For example switching audio/mic script that was nowhere to be found. About the graphical appstore, I don't miss pamac so much, at least when I'm upgrading. In Manjaro I got burned a few times when doing upgrade via pamac and at some time started to do the upgrades/updates in the shell instead. I guess my point is that those GUI's are not just eyecandy but can even break your system.
I know this video is old now but I recently tried installing endeavoros but it failed each time to install pac man with the net install . Luckily I wanted kde plasma but I can think that this problem might be frustrating for someone else new. I was forced to install the offline version and then update it. Luckily that went well.
The EndeavourOS community must have been really pissed off when you said you could use something on Manjaro but not EndeavourOS because they use Manjaro's packaging issues as one of the main arguments to use their distro lmao
if ur a noob why would u even use this distro? nice to see that the concerns u listed here are not a problem imo. how anyone will say simply typing pacman -S somepackage to install something is a problem is beyond me
I have been using EOS for about 6 weeks now, and I must say I have to agree with you. I was really excited to distro hop after 18 months of using Manjaro, and at first I did like the experience---I had to make the distro my own, because "right out of the box" (as Linux users love to say) it was pretty meh. So it was fun for a little while to relearn how to set things up just the way I want them, but then I realized that, apart from the little dunst notifications about updates, the customized rofi menu, and the welcome app... there's not much to EOS. I now understand why people think that EOS is just an easy way to install Arch... because it is! I'm toying with the idea of going back to Manjaro because then I can use pamac again (I've read that pamac doesn't quite work with Arch repositories, so I haven't installed it). One thing that does bother me, but which isn't an EOS-specific issue, rather more of an Arch thing, is the constant updating. I guess Manjaro spoiled me, because I used to expect updates at least twice a month, whereas in EOS they are every day!
I'd rather have Octopi over pamac. With recent news that I heard, Majaro developers are being assholes to their contibutors. There were once a person who tried to fix Manjaro's spesific bug and the dev team told him to f*** off instead. Then the following week, they stole his code and make it as theirs. I ain't gonna support a distro supported by a company that refuses to accept feedback and outright stole some code and didn't even mention the guy who sent the code.
good take on this, ...EOS is not bad, I prefer RebornOS ( like a better manjaro ), even the devs there kind of more 'friendly' .... as for AUR, I am good without
What? I was under the impression that Endeavor actually is one of the most friendliest communities in the Linux World. I thought Mint community was also very friendly :/
@@TheLinuxCast I actually wanted to switch back to Mint because I heard bad things about Manjaro community. You are actually one of the first RUclipsrs that I have heard say that Mint and Endeavor's community isn't as, open to new ideas, or criticism as other distro devs are
@@theplaymakerno1 The Mint community is fine. They don't like me either, but that is justified. I'm a big proponent of LMDE being the only Mint and the community doesn't like that. So you will probably be fine in the Mint community.
I also tried EndeavourOS cause I was too lazy to install Arch and man, I didn't get the vanilla Arch vibe😂😂😂 when installing or using it after installation. I missed vanilla Arch so much that after an hour I just installed vanilla arch over Endeavour.
One of the worst distro's I had the displeasure to use and that is probably to do with the fact i have very new hardware and this Arch base does not seem to care if your kernel builds break and then being able to reasonably recover from it. The tooling QA is garbage, general QA is garbage. This OS is beta/test and should never be used in production systems that are related to professional use or let alone any server capacity.
Distro-centric?... Puhahaha! Good video dude. Subbed. I've used endeavor for a while and have been looking for something new lately. I installed pamac immediately, had no clue that they were dead set against it like that. I may go try out riced openbox or jwm. Audacity does suck, I recommend trying Reaper for linux or even Ardour. 👍
I like opinionated distro designers. They believe in their choice and think that's the right way to do. Unlike the ones trying to please everybody like a certain very popular Debian deviant. I switched to Endeavour from Manjaro a month ago after several bugs and finaly Manjaro refusing to boot up after an upgrade. Manjaro really is going down since one year. I couldn't disagree more with you about Manjaro. I hate their green theme and the first thing I did when installing was to change this ugly theme. Manjaro IS NOT arch. It's an Arch based distro but it's not arch. Many of Aur will not play well with Manjaro and it's recommended to not use YAY. EndeavourOS gives you an almost vanila arch with vanila KDE/Gnome/etc...which is great! That's how it stands out.
I think for many Manjaro is a less-scary way to get started with Arch Linux. Honestly, other than the lack of a GUI package manager, I think EndeavourOS is every bit as easy to install as Manjaro. With most any Arch-based distro, you really need to have a good maintenance system in place that includes updates probably at least weekly, and checking release notes prior to the updates. I don't think everyone wants to think about their OS that much, so it's not for everyone.
@@Thomas.Saunders One can always install PAMAC with: yay -S pamac-aur It's not that bad and it makes it easy to search and install softwares through a clear listing. And EndeavourOS has an "EOS Update Notifier" that automatically checks for new updates, configurable from hours, days or weeks. Both together work well.
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The Audacium and Tenacity thing that I mention in the video is not an EndeavourOS problem. That hs been confirmed as it happens on Arch Linux as well.
Dude, are you using software center? Like a.... GUI? EndeavourOS is for advanced users and there is no need to be preinstalled software center which is used only by beginners for their first hour or two in linux.
@@StaglyMusic EndeavourOS doesn't market itself for advanced users. It markets itself as an easy way to install Arch, which would by definition draw in people who prefer GUIs. New users.
@@StaglyMusic Dad Son: EndeavourOS is for advanced users who don't need a GUI.
Also Dad Son: * uses an Arch-based distro with a GUI installer instead of vanilla Arch like real advanced users *
Lol get fucked, dude. You don't sound like an "aDvAnCeD uSeR", you sound like a fishy, worn out twat.
arch elitist do be gatekeeping, lmao. EndeavourOS is definitely easier to use than pure arch.
enDeAvoUrOS iS foR aDvAnCeD uSeRs bEcAuSe ArcH diStrO
What makes Endeavour special for me is the fact that they don’t mess with it too much. It’s an easy way to install Arch and it’s closer to plain Arch than most other distros. However, I realise that new users may want something more than that. For me though, I’m going to remove any theming and do my own thing anyway, so this fits the bill when I can’t be bothered to do a vanilla arch install. Good video Matt.
Amen OTB! I agree with ya...
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I switched to EndevourOS from Manjaro about 3 months ago and I am really enjoying my time with this distro. The reason was I simply wanted something relatively minimal without the necessity of installing base Arch.
The whole "Terminal centric distribution" and having a rather clean Arch based starting point is what actually got me really interested in EnveavourOS. I love the Terminal, I even use it quite often in MacOS and I've used other Linux distributions in the past. Now I got really interested in Arch for a used workstation I recently bought, but I would probably not be able to install Arch from scratch, nor am I even interested in doing it currently. So having something that is basically an Arch installer, an easy starting point with my favourite desktop environment preinstalled, but not too much else, is perfect for me.
The way I interpret and understand "a new user to Arch" is a littler different from yours. Someone that knows how to work with other distributions will usually be able to figure out a new package manager quite easily if they've used other ones before. Like a programmer learning a new language and its syntax - the concepts remain similar. BUT what that user can't suddenly figure out is how to install everything from scratch without an installer. And that's exactly where EnveavourOS supports you... the installing process. I'm glad they didn't take it too far and added all kinds of other things.
Simply put, without something like EndeavourOS to help me, I would probably never have bothered trying Arch. Manjaro for example is already too different for me to consider it close to Arch and its advantages.
Agree with you. I do like EndeavourOS, but you need to have time to maintain it. You need to be able to run updates probably at least once a week, so you need to have a system to check for release notes prior to the update. For a daily driver, I find it hard to schedule that maintenance time. Just comes down to personal preference, I guess.
@@Thomas.Saunders It's quite literally just Arch with an installer. If you can't do that here, you can't do it with Arch.
I'm new to Arch and Endeavour was a breath of fresh air. It attracted me because it's Arch and terminal based. The lack of GUI was a plus for me.
What I needed help with was setting up the window manager dependencies, like notifications and autostart services, polkit etc, and EOS' default made it a lot easier to get started. I was willing and wanted to learn the terminal based approach, so I appreciated the position they took with no GUI, and the help to get started with i3. I guess that makes me the target audience, and I'm very grateful for the distro.
EOS Cinnamon has been my daily driver for 14 months and I'm a huge fan. However, the first thing I did during setup was to install pamac-all and enable support for flatpaks & snaps. I've also tried Octopi and honestly, I don't understand why it gets so much scorn. Pamac and Octopi both work fine as far as I can tell. One reason I've stuck with EOS for 1 year+ is the community. I feel welcome and I'm not a tech nerd at all. The other reason is stability. EOS is a "set it and forget it" type of distro. I spend zero energy on maintenance and troubleshooting. It just works! Great review and fun video as usual. Keep keeping it real Matt!
I made the jump to a full linux user back in October and am very happy and EndeavourOS is my distro that I've landed on and really enjoy. Ive tried mint, pop, arco, manjaro, arch w sway, ultimately ended up here by a fluke. As a new user Ive learned a lot in Endeavour because of how little it was configured, it was enough to hit the ground running. I have ran into no problems at all with this distro and am very happy, I run both gnome and i3. I'm happy you gave it a shot. Also I have audacium installed on both my systems but I used yay to build it might want to see if that works. Enjoyed the video and love the podcast.
EndeavourOS is not meant to be easy to beginners. It is meant to be Arch easily installed.
@@pedrohqb yeah... No.
It's dumb not to include just discover or flatpak. I installed EndOS last night on my surface pro 5 and loving it. I don't remember the last time I just enjoyed using a computer and discovering new things. But things like this keep EndOS from reaching critical mass.
My experience... used Windows for 25 years, after experiencing Windows 11 for a few months I started evaluating each and every major Linux distro out there. The only distro that made me really happy was EndeavourOS and the only change I had to make was to replace the useless Nvidia card for an AMD one to enjoy Wayland properly. EndeavourOS with Gnome is the best combo for me and the only regret I have is of not moving to the Linux world earlier in my life.
For me Endeavour OS is a proper operating system, it has the right amount of layering to access what is on offer without having to go through multiple layers and at the same time, it is has all the necessary tools not to force you into unnecessary manual tasks.
If all somebody is looking for is a Windows like OS, this is definitely not for them. If they are after a great OS that will not stand in their way accomplishing their tasks, then this is the right OS.
I have replaced the OS in all my desktops/laptops with EndeavourOS while at the same time I am running a few servers with Fedora and Ubuntu. Couldn't be any happier...
have you tried Zorin
@@zacktim3056 Yes I did for quite some time, it is an ideal OS for somebody coming from Windows. The design is excellent and for a while I thought I am going to stick with it. But since I tried the non Windows style UIs as well I decided over time that I prefer the simplicity of Gnome (and the customisation options it has). I also prefer a rolling distribution, i.e. a distro that keeps updating everyday to the latest features, thus my final choice was Endeavour with Gnome front end (it has support for all major desktops btw).
@@mmil I'm happy for you, actually I don't feel comfortable with pacman command line I've been using apt get for a while and it works good for me
@@zacktim3056 I very rarely use pacman, to install packages 99% of the time I use 'yay'. I search for the name of the package online first, e.g. 'intellij arch', I find the package name 'intellij-idea-ultimate-edition 2022.2.1-1'
then I type >yay intellij-idea-ultimate-edition. It will present me with all the options, I will select the number of the option I want and it installs it. Then for updates I use the Endeavour OS 'UpdateInTerminal' script. It updates the OS and all the packages I have installed.
BTW I am not trying to convince you or anything, use whatever you are happy with, all major Linux distros are great replacement for Windows. I use Fedora on my physical servers as well as Ubuntu server in some VMs.
@@mmil that is nice, i never heard of yay, hmm actually I don't do big things on Linux other than browsing or coding, store personal files, run few VMs etc.. I guess Zorin fit my needs.
I think the devs should ask the community for help with theming for all the versions, just look at the BSPWM theming it looks amazing.
I think the name speaks for itself; for many the Terminal is their final frontier, before "getting good" with it. It's definitely a "step in between" using Manjaro and using pure Arch.
Nailed it. Great distro, not for newbies, and one has to be comfortable with the terminal. That and it's a good Arch install/configuration. It's very good for experienced Linux users, and can be used as a bridge to go pure Arch or other distros for experienced users. The devs write the dozen or so apps; they may not be theme makers and rely upon the community for that assistance.
Arch is no more or less for experienced users as any distro uses the terminal and all distros have experienced and very intelligent users. You can use the terminal and edit configuration files with any distro.
Arch is for users who prefer the terminal over graphical configuration and who desire to tinker at lower levels combined with a desire to be on the cutting edge at the cost of broken packages which happens from time to time as demonstrated in the update to this video regarding just such events.
It might be hard to believe , but not everyone uses computers the same and some very experienced users do not want to manually edit configuration files or debug programs they rely on for daily use or want to tinker under the hood.
Arch users talk down to non Arch users which in turn comes across as arrogant.
I happen to know a ton about RPM distros and have a great deal of experience such as writing kernel modules, rpm packaging, customizing selinux to name a few. I never run GUI on servers.
If you ever need support on those things I promise to do my best without bragging that RPM systems are for advanced users only and ask as you and the Arch users to do the same . Users really are not better or more advanced simply because they choose Arch and Arch is really no more advanced than rpm systems they are designed with different goals.
And you're the expert on what distro is for newbies, huh?
@@PhayzinOut snarky comment at best. I would never advise Arch to a new user. First the installation is difficult and second it requires a bit of experience on reading documentation and man pages and last the Arch support community is arrogant and certainly not welcoming to inexperienced users. No need to be an expert to know Arch is a poor choice for new users.
@@leopard3131 Thought Linux was all about freedom of choice? Guess the elites think otherwise. I'll just return to Windows/Mac
@@PhayzinOut you just proved my point. Next time try a distro that is new user friendly rather than Arch
I started using EndevourOS BSPWM as my first dive into arch and a WM. I’ve been using different variations of Ubuntu for a while, and I wanted to go arch.
The BSPWM config is super clean, polybar and the actual WM are super easy to config and gave me no issues. I use my laptop almost entirely for school, so using this for hours on end every day has been great. Coming from mint and pop-os, my experience has been stable and streamlined.
I do agree that not having a GUI package installer is odd, but I just used endeavor since I didn’t feel like configuring arch from scratch.
Good video Matt! I was not meant to be special install I think. It’s an easy way to install Arch and it’s closer to plain Arch than most other distros. If you think it is to bare. You should have seen it when the project first started after Antigos ended. You had to install 98% of everything you wanted and the Xfce was just above plain and was themed a bit. If you wanted a video or music player you installed it all including the codecs and it was not even close to what you get today!
Yes I use since the beginning of EndeavourOS and I'm a Fan Matt! Trust me when I say it is 100% top notch and easier to use now days.
As for Theming I'm glad they leave it alone. Xfce is the flag ship and the Community versions are separate and i'm glad to see that because like your ArcoLinux it is choise's right? I for one am glad it is Not like the others... Lol
The forum is the second best thing about EndeavourOS and very helpful and friendly. You may get, "See the Wiki for that." once in a while you will never get RTFM... :-)
I use EndeavourOS and Ezarcher as my base Cinnamon installs and have never had any issues installing anything I have every tried and that includes Audacity, so I'm confused about you issues. Not a good reason to stop using it to me... LOL
Thanks again Matt!
BTW you did not Pizz me off... :-P
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What you mentioned in the beginning, is the reason why I basically stopped using Linux as my main desktop system after using it for about 6 years. Completely different story for servers and embedded systems btw!
(which I have been working with for over 12 years or so)
It's like non-stop walking on eggs-shells and instead of having positive discussions, I found many communities very toxic. (maybe even an understatement for some distros)
Mostly it's a totally being offended vs defending fight. There is close to zero space for just having different opinions and taste.
(sometimes EVEN from the developers themselves, which is quite crazy to think about)
In the end it just made me just not enjoying using my computer anymore.
It's sad, some distros have so much potential.
I wish there would be a less little bubble on an island culture, and rather a good collaboration instead.
I've only recently walked away from MS Windows 10. There are so many different ways to configure Linux, and so many different distros to choose from, that I just picked a couple that seemed easy enough to get started with, so I ended up comparing LMDE 5 and Manjaro. I like them both, but I decided to go with Manjaro. That has been about two weeks and so far I'm happy. I do want to understand Linux more, so I've created a VM and installed Arch Linux. They have a nice script now that you can run that makes installing Arch quite easy. Of course, I will have to select a DE and some other stuff and learn how to put the pieces together.
EndeavourOS and other Arch based ones feel kinda similar, and hence great distros in general. To get a different feel, I decided to try out an old (around 2000-2002) favorite of mine... SuSE (and Mandrake was another favorite of mine around that time). For some reason, after Ubuntu came out, I stuck mostly with Debian based ones. I tried their rolling version... Tumbleweed, and since openSUSE is known to offer a nice KDE desktop, I decided to go for that setup. So far I am loving it just like I loved it before. I am also loving their full documentation books. Feels like I will keep using it for some more time. Also using btrfs for the first time. I wonder if I can move back to ext4 after this. Fun times.
im actually interested in moving from garuda to endeavor precisely for the reasons you think its lacking! this video actually got me excited about endeavor os
After a lot of distro hopping i ended up with Endeavouros, XFCE DE. It's not for noobs but i'm a noob and still with the help of the friendly community (not something that can be said from the Arch community) and reading the EOS wiki and Arch wiki well EOS is here to stay with me. Will it please everyone? Of course not. It hasn't failed me yet unless i f*** it up myself, is it an easy distro? To my opinion, yes. Fyi yay is standard installed, i installed octopi as GUI way to install soft. However the base idea in EOS is to, like you mention, be as close as possible to Arch. It is a terminal centric distro, even mentioned on the EOS website. Am i going to hit you? No, why would i ... the EOS community is the most friendly community i know and that's also a reason to stick to EOS for me. But it's a free world and everyone can do (install) what they want. Thanks for the review, one hint please do try the XFCE DE of EOS, light and fast!!
I used Endeavour os my daily driver for quite some time. I like it better then Manjaro, felt it was more stable for me and it is cleaner out of the box then other distros witch is hard to achieve. The clean part is easy but to put together something that's stable and clean is a bit more tricky. Anyway that's my 2 cents on Endeavour. Off-topic if you like me use proton you should give proton-ge a look it fixes alot of problems for a ton a games, i love that project. Quite ambitious little project. Like you channel so far just found it a wile back. Keep up the good work.
Someone showed me EndeavourOS after Antergos hit the can. Didn't really express much interest until recently. I think I'm going to turn to it since installing Arch Linux has been such a major pain.
@@_devilfish303 Yeah, I've used it. The issue I have specifically with Arch is trying to set up encryption. archinstaller helped, but I still managed to have issues when installing in a VM.
You gave a fair analysis. They need something unique to their distribution. Even just a highly customized desktop theme. Since graphical software installation is lacking, this could be such a means of differentiation for them. Maybe they could call it.... Endeavor package manager. I also notice that they want to be known as a terminal-centric distribution. This is a bit strange since they claim to be the successor of Antergos a GUI-centric distribution.
There's something fun about installing software through the AUR just by typing in the name and seeing what installs. It's like bean boozled!
Been using EOS for a few weeks and I'm thinking about switching to it from my main Kubuntu. I have been using Linux for almost two decades now so I know my way around it. No issues for me launching a terminal and getting busy. EOS markets themselves as a terminal centric distro, and to me that means no or almost no GUIs. Not really a "newbie" distro, but more like and easy to install Arch.
I really like it and the issues I have had with it are general issues I have with Arch and it's derivatives. I like it the most out of the other Arch distros.
As for not having a graphical package manager by default, I don't see the problem. If you go back to their own marketing, then you should not expect a graphical package manager. Pamac is not that great and sometimes crashes or freezes in rather ungraceful ways. Yes, it's a Manjaro program and the version in the AUR is not the same version as Manjaro uses. Octopi is better, despite Octopi's design not really being pleasing to look at.
As a Linux beginner, I do not want a GUI package manager. I just want vanilla Arch but with a DE, and some basic tools but not more.
I tried to intsall Arch a a few times, but it just didn't work. One time I forgot that I have BIOS instead of UEFI, one time I forgot to install any netzwork tools so the install wouldn't even connect to the internet via LAN, one time I used the command "archinstall" which is a terminal installer but it just failed, and one time messed up somewhere else.
I currently use manjaro, and think EndeavourOS sounds like the perfect fit for me, no bloat software but not manual install...
(I have been using Linux for 7 months btw)
For audacity I'd recommend the flatpak version
First very nice review and follow up.
I have used Arch and IMO it has a few pitfalls.
First IMO it is not similar to other Linux distros under the hood and there is too much, IMO, that is Arch specific.
Second I do not enjoy tinkering with the OS under the hood. When combined with #1 I just don't want to spend the time reading Arch specific documentation..
Then there is the Arch support, at times the are arrogant and if I am struggling with some Arch specific configuration files and have read but not understand the documentation or the documentation falls short the last thing I need is arrogant tech support.
At the end of the day if I want the low level configuration style offered by Arch I just use Gentoo which offers better control as I really do not see any advantages of Arch over gentoo in the above respects and gentoo gives even finer control via the USE flags.
@ min. 7:34 you mentioned Antergos, I had a flashback back then when I was using it as my main Linux OS for like a year and a half before it died, I loved it because it worked so well on my main PC, never had a serious issue with it!
I loved it too
I am an arco user myself, but endeavours os has the best community imo.
I switched over to EndeavourOS KDE about 2 months ago after using Manjaro KDE for off and on for 2 years. I trust Endeavour because it's closer to vanilla Arch than Manjaro. I get packages quicker and there aren't the extra bugs added by Manjaro. My Endeavour build has been stable. My Manjaro builds were far from stable.
I super support their decision of not using a gui application installer. Would just be another thing to uninstall.
Arch is "it's better to install something you need than uninstall something you don't" and Endeavor os keeps that idea, but provides an easier starting ground, which I absolutely love
I really like endeavours. I use gnome, sometimes xfce or openbox. Gnome software works fine though I usually use pacman or yay.
It's a nice distro. That's it and that's all. The fact you cannot easily delete your profile from the forums (or at least not in an obvious way) tells you sth. But in general I find the people there friendly. What the big fuzz is about i don't understand, Arch Linux GUI and Calam-Arch do at least a comparable, and for me better, job. PS: as said below by @Zach Shapiro: their bspwm version is worth coming back for, it is a great spin!
EndeavourOS is basically Arch without the complicated install process, I use it because it's more convenient, rather than not knowing how to install Arch. But yeah the direction of the distro is strange. They kinda half-theme desktops, don't include a software store, want to be close to Arch but add their own themes and suite of apps.
Agree, I've successfully installed Arch several times (did this to learn the basics) but at some point you don't really learn anything anymore, and it becomes more of a hassle or a tedious chore. And if I'm going to install pretty much everything that EOS ships with anyway, might as well just install EOS.
I switched from Manjaro to Arco, but had problems with Arco. Then I went over to Endeavouros, and after initial hiccups, have been using it quite comfortably.
Thx for ur work. Kind Regards from Germany
The reason I installed Endeavour OS was because it's basically a stock Arch linux with a graphical installer. I just don't want to use the time necessary to install arch from scratch anymore. Call me lazy. (I've been using arch linux on and off since around 2008).
I like the terminal and find myself installing software from there rather from the gui. Besides Discover only has flatpak applications and in some cases they are not working as well as the native ones.
For my personnal experience EOS is a really nice "somewhat beginner" experience
Because as much as I love doing stuff in the terminal and I don't mind installing apps in it as well, I don't want to spend time install Arch "the right way"
So to me it has hit the right spot, because I could get an Arch based distro pretty quickly up and running, while also doing all my things from the terminal
Even tho I'm a heavy Windows user because of MS Access, and I manage lots on Linux servers, that was my first Linux Desktop distro maybe since 2008, and honestly it fits my usecase pretty well
If you don't want to go through the hassle of installing arch, it doesn't mean that you don't know how to use a package manager. Also pamac is very unstable, especially the GUI, after a while it would just not work...
Oh big agree on pamac, I tried out Manjaro (switched to it from base Arch) and it got to the point where it was so unstable I just didn't want to use it anymore, I've also heard there are some issues with pamac and pacman not installing stuff the same way by default, so you end up not being able to update the stuff installed on pamac through pacman (I don't know if that's true but it sounds like an inconvenience)
10 Years Ubuntu , 5 Years Manjaro, and now for a few month on EOS. Feels like it could be my friend for the next years. Since the step to Manjaro I use KDE only.
I totally agree with you, i feel the same concerning this distro. So many keep screaming that it is the best arch distro. Really? Like you said, it doesn't stand out at all, the look is really poor and doesn't have a soul. Seriously, if people want pure arch, just go with pure arch and customize as you wish. I've heard some saying i don't like having gui in Manjaro, even if you can still use the terminal if you don't like it.. and sorry, you have to take risks, even if something is messed up, in order to improve a system
bspwm version uses 650 mb ram (almost as much as your kde installation) out of the box on my laptop. i've seen youtube installations of same version and it normally uses 250-300 mb ram.
i don't know why it uses double the amount of ram on my computer. i still prefer ArcoLinuxB-Dwm but EndeavourOS-Bspwm is also nice when you can install it, because Endeavour 8 out of 10 times could not be installed on my hardware, errors and issues. when i was finally able to install without a problem, it was very nice though. very close to bare bones arch, just preconfigured.
10:15 maybe it's for people who can install arch the right way, but chooses not to do it everytime they install new OS because it's time consuming, it's wrong to automatically assume that it targets the new users. personally, i don't think it targets the new users at all, so i support the no-gui installer decision. i don't really get why people assume that the ones who want quick and preconfigured installation of arch must be new and inexperienced users. experienced users also might want a quick and preconfigured installation, you know. only thing i had to do after installing endeavour bspwm was installing brave browser, changing the window border colors from aqua to bright red, uncomment picom in autostart config (i don't why but picom is the only thing that comes as commented, and i love transparent terminals with blurred backgrounds). then i was good to go. arcolinux and endeavour VM versions saves me a ton of time.
You only have to master two terminal commands to install the majority of software: pacman and yay. Not that big of a deal to learn. I think that it is a great stepping stone into the Arch world. EOS is easy to install, and once you take the very small step of installing software using the terminal, you are well on your way. You can install pamac if you want using yay, but once you master yay there isn't any need for pamac.
Very cool review, I will install it on my laptop. Greetings.
Late to comment here.
(I'm new to Arch but not linux) I had a Arch install, that i had worked on for some time, but an update broke it, and made it freeze a minute after boot. I tried for weeks to fix it, but failed. Even reinstalled from scratch, and the problem was back. Tried a manjaro install, and that to was unstable.
Then i installed EndeavourOS, and it worked with no problems. Ran an update, and the same problem was back. in the end i tracked it down to Kernel 6.3.5 (and .6) which was unstable on my hardware. So reinstalled EndeavourOS, and blocked kernel updates in pacman.conf. and now have a working system again.
Luckily EndeavourOS base install was very close to the setup i had with my own Arch install, so it was only a couple of tweaks to get back to normal.
EndeavourOS is faster to reinstall than Arch for me, and gives me very close to the same experience. So that is my goto distro for now.
The good thing, is that i now have a much better understanding of error tracking in linux, and got more acustomed to messing with kernel updates :-)
EndeavourOS has stopped my distro hopping. It is clean, neat and streamlined. The community is supportive and savvy without the pretty much known Arch foibles (they help but it is likely that you'll be looked down during the process). I've already installed it on my 2 very old laptops (i3wm and xfce) and Plasma on my main desktop. Loving it.
For me ive been going back and forth between continuing to maintain vanilla arch linux or going towards one of the prepackaged arch distros, shy away from manjaro for security concerns, cachyos seems young and not sold on if itll stick around, endeavor seems nice, garuda felt like it made me less productive and focused more of "flashy"
Endavour is basically just arch with an installer. Makes perfect sense to me, I can install arch just fine (done it on every machine I've owned for years), I just can't be bothered. I don't see any advantage in doing it manually
I tried endeavour os and it is a really nice system. I really enjoyed it but I really do want a gui application manager. I know it's taboo, whenever I've asked on reddit or other forums you get called all sorts of names. I think you should get an option to install one.
Try "bauh"
To install it: yay bauh
The best thing I can say, is that if you want to install ufw or plextv it forces you to learn Linux harder, so far plex-tv works but can not access my drive, it is hardened, more friendly is linuxmint in multiple aspects, endeavor is fast, more secure and a rolling distro.
On my dedicated Linux systems, I just use archinstall and Arch. But on dual-boot systems, EndeavorOS is nice because it will recognize Windows and configure Grub properly for dual-boot without any extra work. And, once you're in, you're basically just using Arch. I agree that it's not a great system for a noob, but I wouldn't recommend any Arch-based distro for that. People just starting out are better with Mint, which is very stable and won't require frequent updates (or break from them). And people who don't read PKGBUILD files and exercise knowledgeable caution have no business using the AUR--even if yay or paru (or, worse yet, pamac) lets them do it.
Good video, very informative!
As a completely confused newbie, I do not have a problem with installing software in the terminal. Too many graphic systems are soo soo bad. Installing Arch is intimidating, it really is. I'm never sure if I did it correctly, even when it works.
NAMING ? The one question I always have - is why so some DISTROS (Ubuntu derivatives) Write just a generic "Ubuntu" into the boot menu. Whereas - other Distros will write something more specific in the boot menu. The problem is - If I install more than one Ubuntu based ISO.... I can't tell which is which. I should add - I have Four SSD's.
How does Endeavor OS compare with Garuda Linux?
Just installed it, so different than anything Debian based, learning curve is going to be flat for a long time. Happy though, it is quite fast.
Installer fails at generate ramfs stage when opensuse is installed on first nvme..
Yeah I wanted to use arch and I heard that EOS was easy to install and heard hood things about it. Not being a tech nerd though, I couldn’t figuare out how to install any software. Took me over an hour to find step by step instructions to find a way to burn an Arcolinux iso to a usb and finally leave my nightmare lol. Arco Linux is easy to install and has a gui for software.
It’s kind of strange to make it easy to install and then leave people on their own once they are in. You might have at least just left it vanilla so you’d learn as you go.
Not bashing it. Some people love the terminal and it’s great for them, but for me, I just want to learn a little at a time while being able to use my software I like when I want.
Arcolinux is arch and provide tech inept a good experience. I had it up and running with my software rather quickly and now I can use Arch without the frustration of not knowing anything lol
does arcolinux have Discover out of the box? I also don't like using terminal too much
If we take the big four Arch distro's we can observe that Manjaro took Arch and made it a full daily experience for newcomers but also for experienced users, Arco and Eric worked his ass off to give us the most rich and full Arch installer out there. Garuda is a weird case, when they introduced their distro it was in someway broken, now it feels more stable, but in my opinion Garuda's strong card isn't the sweetified theming but the use and tweaks of Linux tech under the hood, Fedora also does that, and i always liked it. To justify this, i always said that if no one uses Wayland & Pipewire by default for example, they are never gonna be the standard solution, and it's time for Linux to evolve. EndeavourOS its the less appealing Arch distro for me, it feels meaningless. Why dont just install vanilla Arch? Dunno, they should enrich the experience of their distro. P.S. If there is something that i like on EndevourOS is their theming/colors etc.
Because it is supposed to be a default experience and close to Arch while having a better installation process than Arch. Being in a live enviroment and can browse some problematic stuffs while installing the OS is helpful, especially when using the only PC you have with just one monitor. It's for those who want to venture while also being afraid to be bombarded with the Arch's default way of installing their OS. I feel like I'm the target audience for EndeOS. I want a hassle free installation (because I don't just sit in front of my computer while installing a software) and get as pure to default experience as possible (because I can paint the canvas later)
I had 1 issue that made it a deal breaker. For some reason everytime I switched to a different SSID/AP the upgrade would break and firce me to clear the cache or something, cannot remember what because it was a few months back.
But having to fix something if I try to install/update software on anything but my default AP was just too much.
PS actually had another issue on 3 different ISOs: online install just wouldn't work... Got stock a ways in
You can install pamac
if you think EOS community is passionate, try Arch... those guys are very difficult
you'd be convinced some have "read the wiki" tattooed on them
Watchers of this video should realize that coming from a Windows background and being unfamiliar with Linux - it's hard to understand how installation can be anything other than clicking the word INSTALL in the GUI and watching the result before your eyes!
How about adding -auto-select to Rofi in your sxhkdrc?
What does that do? I mean I can guess
@@TheLinuxCast Once you have typed a unique appname, it launches it automatically.
@@thenextpoetician6328 that’s cool.
What is it with VMware not working in Endeavor OS or any Linux distro?
Pamac sucks and I use Manjaro on both of my machines. Haven't touched it in years, it's very buggy. Will probably go for Cachy on my next install.
For softwares I just installed pamac, It's like using manjaro software in endeavour
I’m more of a Mac/Windows user, and I can’t wait to install EOS in one of my production laptop for system penetration. I had installed Arch Linux a few years back, and my god it was not fun 😢
Anyway does anyone know if Black Arch Linux pkgs would be compatible with EOS?
I changed to EndeavourOS from Manjaro a while ago. I used the i3 edition and the default was good enough for me (lots of stuff that I would customize the same way).
I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty configuring i3 but there was a lot of keybindings and startup scripts that were missing in the system. For example switching audio/mic script that was nowhere to be found.
About the graphical appstore, I don't miss pamac so much, at least when I'm upgrading. In Manjaro I got burned a few times when doing upgrade via pamac and at some time started to do the upgrades/updates in the shell instead. I guess my point is that those GUI's are not just eyecandy but can even break your system.
some devs behave like a bunch of kids ngl
The scene is slowly getting taken over by woke troons, what do you expect
I know this video is old now but I recently tried installing endeavoros but it failed each time to install pac man with the net install . Luckily I wanted kde plasma but I can think that this problem might be frustrating for someone else new. I was forced to install the offline version and then update it. Luckily that went well.
Long live to EndeavourOS, the ultimate swiss knife to install Arch Linux easily and of course, the best distro community out there ❤️🔥
wierd to know you never got to play CS GO on linux since it's native
you didn't read their website at all right? "a terminal-centric distro"
Where can I buy that Linux poster from ?
I got it on Amazon.
Great review Matt.
When will you and Tyler stream again?
Next Thursday.
I was going to drop a large sum on patron for you to install gentoo, and I wanted to see your face! Lol
@@ramjustram lol. Thursday around 3pm ET
The EndeavourOS community must have been really pissed off when you said you could use something on Manjaro but not EndeavourOS because they use Manjaro's packaging issues as one of the main arguments to use their distro lmao
You're totally gonna get bashed by the Endeavour guys. Though to me it does seem like you chose your words really carefully here.
if ur a noob why would u even use this distro? nice to see that the concerns u listed here are not a problem imo. how anyone will say simply typing pacman -S somepackage
to install something is a problem is beyond me
Its because this distro is supposed to be noob friendly.
Endeavour os has a problem with updates. It says : country code error.
discover doesn't work on arch as far as I know. It only shows flatpak apps.
I have been using EOS for about 6 weeks now, and I must say I have to agree with you. I was really excited to distro hop after 18 months of using Manjaro, and at first I did like the experience---I had to make the distro my own, because "right out of the box" (as Linux users love to say) it was pretty meh. So it was fun for a little while to relearn how to set things up just the way I want them, but then I realized that, apart from the little dunst notifications about updates, the customized rofi menu, and the welcome app... there's not much to EOS. I now understand why people think that EOS is just an easy way to install Arch... because it is! I'm toying with the idea of going back to Manjaro because then I can use pamac again (I've read that pamac doesn't quite work with Arch repositories, so I haven't installed it). One thing that does bother me, but which isn't an EOS-specific issue, rather more of an Arch thing, is the constant updating. I guess Manjaro spoiled me, because I used to expect updates at least twice a month, whereas in EOS they are every day!
Pamac does work very well on arch repositories, try it out yourself!
Try pamac-classic
I'd rather have Octopi over pamac. With recent news that I heard, Majaro developers are being assholes to their contibutors. There were once a person who tried to fix Manjaro's spesific bug and the dev team told him to f*** off instead. Then the following week, they stole his code and make it as theirs. I ain't gonna support a distro supported by a company that refuses to accept feedback and outright stole some code and didn't even mention the guy who sent the code.
isnt arch having C compiler problems? brody made a video about it
Apparently my thing had to do with ffmpeg.
I've been playing CS:GO on linux for a few years now
Finally the wait is over! Also FIRST!
if there is no discover how can we change themes and icons
I don’t use Endeavour OS but there’s probably a way to install Discover. He’s just saying that he found it weird it wasn’t installed by default.
good take on this, ...EOS is not bad, I prefer RebornOS ( like a better manjaro ), even the devs there kind of more 'friendly' .... as for AUR, I am good without
I use Endeavour because I've bricked my computer quince while trying to install Arch.
Also because I like purple.
What? I was under the impression that Endeavor actually is one of the most friendliest communities in the Linux World. I thought Mint community was also very friendly :/
Could be they just don't like me.
@@TheLinuxCast I actually wanted to switch back to Mint because I heard bad things about Manjaro community. You are actually one of the first RUclipsrs that I have heard say that Mint and Endeavor's community isn't as, open to new ideas, or criticism as other distro devs are
@@theplaymakerno1 The Mint community is fine. They don't like me either, but that is justified. I'm a big proponent of LMDE being the only Mint and the community doesn't like that.
So you will probably be fine in the Mint community.
Matt when you jump into the future you should put on planet x glasses or something 😎
i have installed the openbox version but it cant log in, im in a login screen loop. i will try this kde one later
I also tried EndeavourOS cause I was too lazy to install Arch and man, I didn't get the vanilla Arch vibe😂😂😂 when installing or using it after installation. I missed vanilla Arch so much that after an hour I just installed vanilla arch over Endeavour.
a terminal centric distro should say all
One of the worst distro's I had the displeasure to use and that is probably to do with the fact i have very new hardware and this Arch base does not seem to care if your kernel builds break and then being able to reasonably recover from it. The tooling QA is garbage, general QA is garbage.
This OS is beta/test and should never be used in production systems that are related to professional use or let alone any server capacity.
what game is that?
Tried it ... it was nice ....went back to Arco.
And, if you don't piss off people, you're not doing your job.
Distro-centric?... Puhahaha! Good video dude. Subbed. I've used endeavor for a while and have been looking for something new lately. I installed pamac immediately, had no clue that they were dead set against it like that. I may go try out riced openbox or jwm. Audacity does suck, I recommend trying Reaper for linux or even Ardour. 👍
I like opinionated distro designers. They believe in their choice and think that's the right way to do. Unlike the ones trying to please everybody like a certain very popular Debian deviant. I switched to Endeavour from Manjaro a month ago after several bugs and finaly Manjaro refusing to boot up after an upgrade. Manjaro really is going down since one year.
I couldn't disagree more with you about Manjaro. I hate their green theme and the first thing I did when installing was to change this ugly theme. Manjaro IS NOT arch. It's an Arch based distro but it's not arch. Many of Aur will not play well with Manjaro and it's recommended to not use YAY. EndeavourOS gives you an almost vanila arch with vanila KDE/Gnome/etc...which is great! That's how it stands out.
I think for many Manjaro is a less-scary way to get started with Arch Linux. Honestly, other than the lack of a GUI package manager, I think EndeavourOS is every bit as easy to install as Manjaro. With most any Arch-based distro, you really need to have a good maintenance system in place that includes updates probably at least weekly, and checking release notes prior to the updates. I don't think everyone wants to think about their OS that much, so it's not for everyone.
@@Thomas.Saunders One can always install PAMAC with:
yay -S pamac-aur
It's not that bad and it makes it easy to search and install softwares through a clear listing. And EndeavourOS has an "EOS Update Notifier" that automatically checks for new updates, configurable from hours, days or weeks. Both together work well.
You said "Updating packages doing pacman -Syyu" you should rather do pacman -Syu with only 1 "y"