This came to me in an epiphany, Even if not kings, they represent Babylon and thus the nations coming to worship the One True God in His Incarnation. As in history so it was in fulfillment of prophecy, first the Jewish people and the outcast cams to our Blessed Lord, then the gentiles and the mighty came to see the Truth as He sat among them. God bless you all Addendum: I should mention the epiphany occurred near the beginning of the episode before theory discussion began. Indeed it is the same Spirit we all are one in. Praise be to God!
I read the magi were from the Zoroastrian religion which is one the oldest monotheistic religions that influenced judaism and were knowledgeable about astrology. Interestingly, they believed in the in the coming of the messiah.
The Star of Bethlehem and the Magi: Interdisciplinary Perspectives from Experts on the Ancient Near East, the Greco-Roman World, and Modern Astronomy Edited by Peter Barthel and George van Kooten (Brill 2014)
Jimmy, I was a bit surprised that you didn't consider the possibility that the Magi were the intellectual descendants of Daniel, and that the stars functioned as a clock that told them when the 70 weeks were up. Gabriel was instrumental in both the prophecy and its fulfillment. As to 1 as a prime, my elementary number theory book explains that 1 is not included because it breaks a several theorems of number theory, especially the prime factorization theorem, stating that every number can factored into primes in only one way. So the definition is "a number greater than 1 that is divisible only by 1 and itself." It divides the integers into three classes: prime, composite, and unit.
@@nickdon Wow. I didn't think that a simple argument against treating 1 as a prime would be described as either "fundamantalist" or "demented". But then you don't explain, you just grunt.
What if the Bethlehem star was not really a star at all but a tear in the fabric of space/time that separates us from the heavenly realm. A small but immensely bright tear caused by all the angels and God himself looking on the highly favored one as she awaited to Give Birth to the incarnate Son of God. A Tear cause by the immensity of love focused on that one place and time. To the Magi it would seem to be a Bright star a very special star so scripture would be proper calling it what it appeared to be even if scientifically it was not defined a star. Just a thought.
I'm sorry Jimmy, but you are in error. The mission you refer to, under command of astronaut Dave Bowman, was to investigate the anomaly in orbit around Jupiter, not Saturn. You may consult the available logs of this mission but know that the 9000 series has never made an error, Jimmy.
It's funny when I first started hearing the episode and heard that it wasn't three Magi and all that, I stopped listening. Here in the Dominican Republic we sing songs of the three Magi and it was just too much for me at the moment. I'm having a calmer day today than that day and can take a blow to my preconceived notions xD Edit: grammar
So Jimmy what do you think is the star that the Magoi saw? Ok you disagree with Molnar, but I somehow missed your opinion on the star and what you think the star could mostlikely be
Apparently Herod was a non-Jewish Jewish king? A king over the Jews but actually an Edomite? Maybe that context undermines the parallel between Jewish rejection and Gentile acceptance?
Hey Jimmy, These Magi were adept in Astrology. Is it possble that they may have seen the other proposed "stars" as well leading up to the one that finally prompted them to go look for Jesus? First in 7 BC, then in 6, then finally the one they followed? Thats a lot of asteological things that scream KING in a few short years. I find it difficult they would have failed to notice.
This came to me in an epiphany,
Even if not kings, they represent Babylon and thus the nations coming to worship the One True God in His Incarnation. As in history so it was in fulfillment of prophecy, first the Jewish people and the outcast cams to our Blessed Lord, then the gentiles and the mighty came to see the Truth as He sat among them.
God bless you all
Addendum: I should mention the epiphany occurred near the beginning of the episode before theory discussion began. Indeed it is the same Spirit we all are one in. Praise be to God!
This is probably one of the most beautiful renditions of O Come Let Us Adore Him that I've ever heard!
I read the magi were from the Zoroastrian religion which is one the oldest monotheistic religions that influenced judaism and were knowledgeable about astrology. Interestingly, they believed in the in the coming of the messiah.
Wow and I just watched the Star documentary..nice timing..and merry Christmas to you
Great show, but I must admit that the music at the end was my favorite part.
The Star of Bethlehem
and the Magi: Interdisciplinary Perspectives from Experts on the Ancient Near East, the Greco-Roman World, and Modern Astronomy Edited by Peter Barthel and George van Kooten (Brill 2014)
Jimmy, I was a bit surprised that you didn't consider the possibility that the Magi were the intellectual descendants of Daniel, and that the stars functioned as a clock that told them when the 70 weeks were up. Gabriel was instrumental in both the prophecy and its fulfillment.
As to 1 as a prime, my elementary number theory book explains that 1 is not included because it breaks a several theorems of number theory, especially the prime factorization theorem, stating that every number can factored into primes in only one way. So the definition is "a number greater than 1 that is divisible only by 1 and itself." It divides the integers into three classes: prime, composite, and unit.
@@nickdon I don't see that, I think that it's just someone asking a question and giving their opinion.
@@nickdon Wow. I didn't think that a simple argument against treating 1 as a prime would be described as either "fundamantalist" or "demented". But then you don't explain, you just grunt.
What if the Bethlehem star was not really a star at all but a tear in the fabric of space/time that separates us from the heavenly realm. A small but immensely bright tear caused by all the angels and God himself looking on the highly favored one as she awaited to Give Birth to the incarnate Son of God. A Tear cause by the immensity of love focused on that one place and time.
To the Magi it would seem to be a Bright star a very special star so scripture would be proper calling it what it appeared to be even if scientifically it was not defined a star.
Just a thought.
Merry Christmas to you too brother Dom and Jim. Godbless us always.
THANK GOD it's not a an alien episode. Great topic
Neither was the last one...UFO does not mean aliens
I'm sorry Jimmy, but you are in error. The mission you refer to, under command of astronaut Dave Bowman, was to investigate the anomaly in orbit around Jupiter, not Saturn. You may consult the available logs of this mission but know that the 9000 series has never made an error, Jimmy.
It's Saturn in the book.
Reading Mystery of the Magi by Fr Longenecker now, then asked myself if Starquest covered this...here I am
My question is why so many Christians fight against them being astrologers and instead say they’re astronomers.
It's funny when I first started hearing the episode and heard that it wasn't three Magi and all that, I stopped listening. Here in the Dominican Republic we sing songs of the three Magi and it was just too much for me at the moment. I'm having a calmer day today than that day and can take a blow to my preconceived notions xD
Edit: grammar
I’m Dominican too. I was hoping to find some info here. Thanks for saving me an hour lol.
Another dominican here!
Hi Jimmy, are you familiar with Fr Dwight Longenecker's book arguing that the Magi were from Nabatea?
I would like to know his opinion, too. Have you read it? I know about it, sometimes I read Fr. Longenecker's blog.
So Jimmy what do you think is the star that the Magoi saw? Ok you disagree with Molnar, but I somehow missed your opinion on the star and what you think the star could mostlikely be
Tradition states it was Michael the archangel
Apparently Herod was a non-Jewish Jewish king? A king over the Jews but actually an Edomite? Maybe that context undermines the parallel between Jewish rejection and Gentile acceptance?
Hey Jimmy,
These Magi were adept in Astrology. Is it possble that they may have seen the other proposed "stars" as well leading up to the one that finally prompted them to go look for Jesus? First in 7 BC, then in 6, then finally the one they followed? Thats a lot of asteological things that scream KING in a few short years. I find it difficult they would have failed to notice.
Mary of Agreda's account on the life of Mary says differently. Whom to believe?
You don't have to agree with either conclusion. I just think it's important that it happened.
@@adamhovey407 righto
Where is the reference to - Brent Landau's findings??? The Revelation of the Magi
Unfortunately, the Revelation of the Magi is late and historically unreliable. For example, it has the magi coming from an imaginary land called Shir.
@@JimmyAkin That's just what you say. Imaginary land? You don't know that for sure.
Numbers stations, you say? 2...5....1....7...2...