Japan and Korea are small, cohesive societies. China is big, diverse and clannish. Mainland China ia a high trust society, and toggling back and forth, I can see how different the diaspora struggles in Western society factor. Do agree with your take. The one thing COVID helped was ABC prejudice against FOB like me. Edit: I found that younger ABCs that visit China walk away changed in a good way, feeling better about the home country and our society. This is probably generational and what was happening during childhood. Edit 2: nYour riff on the Cultura Revolution is really strange. In PRC that is ancient history only elders really remember. For PRC people nw, we have moved-on. ABC should let go of this.
Cultural revolution is still relevant, as many asian adults now were raised by chinese that lived through it and escaped it. You can see how older Chinese Grab-hags act in the PRC, and i'm sure most young chinese are disgusted and embarrassed by that behavior, and know where to attribute that behavior to. Stories as always passed down from elders; just because only elders remember it, does not mean it is no longer passed on as a lesson to learn for their kids. As the Fung Bros stated, all these are passed down to their kids, and its up to ABC's to choose whether or not they want to pass on this information.
Growing up in the US I remember my mom cautioning me to not blindly trust someone just because they were Chinese. So I didn’t. Btw, it was sage advice. I did run into a lot of Asians who would tell me that “we Asians need to stick together “, and it was usually when they wanted something from me. The line never worked on me. I don’t choose who I stick with based on skin color.
And that is why, my friend, Chinese don’t have unity nor pride. They often hate each other ..or intentionally stay away from each other. They hate themselves and look up to other groups. It’s called low self esteem.
Yes, Chinese aren't tribal. I've been Chinese American my whole life, and I can't imagine how other ethnicities/races are so tribal, and will help and come to the rescue of a complete stranger of their own race/ethnicity, while bullying and abusing another ethnicity, especially Chinese, since it's the most hated. I'm not another ethnicity, so I don't understand their tribal, incestuous, inward-looking, selfish thinking. Chinese are non-tribal, meritocratic, generous-minded, love the "outside," seek novelty, and embrace the different and new, and that's partly why we love other ethnicities/races so much, and treat them better. There's a huge amount of out-marriage, out-dating, and out-friending to other races/ethnicities, too. It's always the other race/ethnicities' parents who disapprove of their child's Chinese partner, while the Chinese parents welcome their child's non-Chinese partner with open arms, and are often happier their child is marrying out. Chinese are very broad-minded, big hearted, nonjudgmental, and open-minded. A lot of the disdain and non-tribalism towards other Chinese is because of so much anti-Chinese racism that causes us to be more judgmental to other Chinese. People are going to be ruder and harsher to other members of their hated ethnicity. I've heard that from African Americans and Latinos, but theirs is probably way lighter than how Chinese are.
I'm Chinese-Cambodian and moved to China this year so I may have some insights. From the outside, people think China is one single homogenous country. To some extent, it's true considering that about 98% of the population is Han Chinese. However, from the inside, China is incredibly diverse. There are different ethnic groups within the population such as Min Chinese and Hui Chinese. Even those groups get discriminated at times despite looking like everyone else. Despite growing up with Mandarin, different regions of China speak different dialects, influencing their accents. So when a southern (ie. Guangzhou, Fujian) goes to the north (ie. Dongbei, Beijing) or vice-versa, it's really obvious they're not local so they may get asked: "Where are you from?" There's a stereotype that northerners have a superiority complex. Funny enough, I read a post on 小红书 (Xiaohongshu, which is like China's version of Instagram) that ask: "Which country discriminates Chinese people the most?" Majority of the comments ironically were: "China" Although abroad they're likely more united due to similarities (except with those not born and raised in China or don't speak Mandarin), domestically, they sometimes hate on each other based on region, accents, economic background, etc.
98% Han Chinese was in Taiwan (latest data is 95%), Mainland only has 91-92% Han Chinese, but the remaining 8-9% on the mainland still outnumbers the populations of many countries in the world...
I kinda feel like this relates to something I said before on another video about chinese upbringing values to be very self-sufficient and competitive and to achieve... and knowing that others like your culture are taught the same thing, naturally you will be more distrustful or cautious around them
As an American, who lived in China, I’ve noticed that allegiance and trust with regional. When I was living in northern China, a man from Guangzhou came into a salon for a haircut, and they turned him away after a short moment of discussing things because they felt they could not understand his accent, even though he was speaking Mandarin. Strangely enough, they put up with me of New York and I’m not Asian and I speak Mandarin with a New York accent. I found that to be utterly strange.
Funny that Brazilians in Japan often point out that Brazilians don't help each other and in fact compete with each other but the CHINESE, the Vietnamese and the Filipinos do help each other. Sure it looks like they most often cite the Vietnamese and the Filipinos, but they do cite the Chinese as well. Chinese in Italy are also seem as almost a "secret society" close to itself. (but probably most of it is due to Italian racism).
@@JohnnyLynnLee Idk why in the carribean and South America Chinese and Japanese are way more united, I think maybe they faced attacks as a community that could've ended in genocide and that kinda lit a fire on their ass to consolidate power and their own niche.
@@Drownedinblood But I'm talking mostly about Chinese IN JAPAN. It may be weird to some I'm talking about Brazilians in Japan but Brazilians are the third largest group of foreigners in Japan (and Brazil is the largest community of Japanese living abroad, over 1 million people in Brazil, most of Brazilians in Japan are of Japanese descent- "dekasegis"). Ahead of Brazilians only Chinese and Koreans. The Vietnamese and Filipinos are growing in Japan in recent years. And Brazilians often complain they are not united in Japan and point out the Chinese the Filipino and the Vietnamese are way more united (in the workplace, for instance). I don't know abut Koreans because most Brazilians in Japan are poor working on factories. In those jobs you can find lots of Brazilians,. Chinese, Filipinos and Vietnamese (even Malays and Indonesians) but not Koreans.
You are thinking about it wrong. Firstly, competitiveness is not dichotomously opposed to being accommodating. You can compete with someone and have empathy for them. But secondly, you shouldnt be choosing who are your adversaries and who are your neighbors through race, which is a nebulous concept on it's own.
@@Drownedinblood Let me be clear if you got it wrong. Those Chinese in Japan didn't come from Brazil, with the Brazilians. They came FROM CHINA., separately. They all just work at the same places as cheap workforce for Japan. So they observe each others daily at work. And Brazilians in Japan often complain how Brazilians don't help each other and cite the Vietnamese, the Filipino and the Chinese (albeit less the Chinese) as examples of groups of foreigners in Japan with strong ties with each other that Brazilians should aspire to be more like.
This is very interesting because as a Latino, I notice that out of the East Asians, the Japanese and South Koreans have a strong sense of community compared to the Chinese!
Because chinese society is built upon the worst component of capitalism which is money above the basic human right in combination with authoritarian communism, rather than free speech, ethics, integrity, transparency, creditworthness, institutionalities. Chinese think and behave exactly aligned with what their country is intrinsically.
There’s literally so many different ethnic groups with their own dialects under the “Chinese” umbrella. Even within the same ethnic group, you have Taiwanese Chinese, Hong Kong Chinese, Singaporean Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Vietnamese Chinese, Indonesian Chinese, etc. they all have very different national and political identity as well. Japan and Korea have less of that
@@elllllllle939it’s true. I’ve witnessed it. Especially true from Chinese girls who tend to white worship, assimilate and therefore avoid / hate Chinese guys
I noticed this since i was a kid. When i met another Chinese person, they always ask me what part of the city when i live in and what does my parents do for a living. Didn't understand it till i was an adult. On top of not trusting other Asians
Simply because many of those immigrated Chinese in foreign countries, are those who didn't have good life in China and they have no love and having strong negative view (some even self-hating) against their own culture and own people, that's why they moved away in the first place...So how could they trust each other in foreign countries with that mindset? It's totally opposite with older generations when Chinese being forced to leave their home, so they trust each other's and built community around the world a.k.a : Chinatowns
At least for the post-1965 crowd, ethnic Chinese who immigrated to America believed the myth that it was the perfect land of rainbows and butterflies. No one hears about discrimination, and Chinese immigrants wanted to live among white people, and had no idea of racism. How can you like other Chinese if you wanted to move to a predominantly white country your whole life, and live among them? Also, Chinese Americans are very happy to marry/friend out, and the parents are very happy when their child marries out, and it's almost always the non-Chinese parents who disapprove of their child marrying a dirty Chinese.
This is crazier in Indian community. Unless you're friends, Indians tend to shun from fellow Indians. I was talking to a German guy at a social event, when two Indian girls joined and started talking but only kept talking to the other guy while avoiding me. Stuff like this happened so many times lol. I was dating a Chinese girl for a few months and she would never share anything about her culture or growing up in China and would only stick to American/European stuff and a little bit of Korean.
@@srijanbiswas2409 the Indian girls probably white worshipped like many Chinese girls do. It’s almost like they’re embarrassed and in denial that they are what they are
@@Hey_puppets thanks for proving my point that many Indians dislike each other unless from same caste or sub-ethnicity lol. However i do have close friends from other Indian states and I’m sure we will be more united in future as a country and race.
Not only Chinese all race have the same problem but Chinese might have more issue due to super diverse and so many different dialects in another country. It’s quite complicated
Chinese do trust each other both historically and to date, even among the diaspora. The chinatowns and tongs/organizations and the bamboo network are evidence of this. There are subsets of Chinese who are very competitive and engage in zero sum games, but this can be found among most groups in the world. Perhaps arguably this occurs with disproportionately higher intensity among the Chinese, thus, "why Chinese don't trust each other more". Trust, like socially acceptable behaviour, is something that must be repeatedly taught at the systemic level, which is why the cultural revolution negatively affected it but modern law enforcement positively affects it. Ultimately, I think Chinese people may be competitive against each other, especially on petty squabbles and one-upsmanship, but when they face a common challenge, they do put their differences aside and team up. Much like what a family does when the family has deep roots.
Hong Kong has the 3rd highest population of Christians at 16% with South Korea being at 30% in 2nd place and The Philippines at 78% being in 1st place.
There's a reason that the Chinese make the best spies. 🕵♂ Chinese people are ultra-competitive and will do anything to get ahead, but there's also a giant element of saving face. They care about appearing noble to serve their own reputation, but once there's an opportunity to backstab, throwing their friends under the bus for their own instrumental gain isn't off the table. Japan is obviously the ultimate exemplar of a high-trust society. You can leave your personal belongings unattended in public and expect it to still be there once you return. China is known for its CCTV, so the trust more so stems from deterrence rather than social cohesion. But yeah, there's much greater diversity among the Chinese compared to other East Asians, largely because the country's geography is so massive. The same can be said about India, btw. North and South Indians are known to be vastly different. The scarcity factor does play into it a lot. When the club invites anyone and everyone, it's not going to feel as special as one that's more exclusive because the members will have more unique experiences in common. ABCs can only be as tribal as the people they surround themselves with. An ABC growing up in a small town where they're the only Asian kid in their class won't feel as connected to their identity as someone who had a whole circle of Chinese friends. Social skills aren't deemed important in the Chinese context because Chinese parents have a linear vision of success. They think training their kid to become a human calculator will lead them on a path to getting a well-paid, cushy corporate job, which is the East Asian definition of success, They discount the importance of developing a multi-faceted personality and how that impacts life outcomes. Most Chinese people today aren't really devoted to faith. The only deity they worship is the almighty Benjamin, let's be honest. 💰 These institutions don't have as much of an influence on how Chinese people operate as those from more religious nations. YMMV, but the reason that stereotypes exist is because they contain a kernel of truth, otherwise they wouldn't persist. People are pattern-recognition machines. We like to make generalizations based on the observation of repeated patterns. The only story that's sold in Chinese families is put your nose to the grindstone and hopefully that'll lead to a life of fulfillment once you're able to reap the fruits of your labor. But that's obviously not a very compelling narrative to sell to a kid with a desire to rebel against their tiger parents. The Cultural Revolution only affects the Boomer generation, though. Chinese kids in China or ABCs will have no recollection of this period. Even if their parents were influenced by it, older Millennials and certainly Gen Z grew up in totally different world. There is a Chinese identity. Whether there's a unified Chinese identity is a separate question. Just because not every Chinese person can be perfectly categorized under a monolith does not mean that a Chinese identity can't be established. One of the primary reasons the Chinese operate transactionally is because of the scarcity mindset and the struggle for survival. It's all about accumulating resources to escape out of dire economic circumstances. Basically delayed gratification on steroids.
Japan has a lot CCTV too. Japan’s high trust society comes from looking good and maintaining one’s reputation. Also, social cohesion and their social consensus.
Well said. Chinese have no soul, honor, code of ethic other than gaining more money for themselves. Nothing good ever has come out from chinese immigration in SEA. That's why Korea and Japan are reluctant to increasing chinese immigration toward these countries.
Your ethnicity is material and represents a common past. Your religion is spiritual and represents a common future. If Love is the most foundational value of your spirituality, it would solve most of the issues within the individual and the community
as a korean with Chinese friends I figured it was about if you had the same Chinese accent, abg vs fob, and what city you came from if you fob. To me Koreans when I grew up was about if you fob or not and if you goody to shoes Christian, party animal drunk, or a hypocrite for being both Lolol
I think growing up in the West, it's hard for me to relate to the 'fobs' (not saying this in a bad way) because yeah, in some cases the stereotype is true. Chinese people are more ... introverted? and it did get very difficult with my friendships.
No way China is a high trust society. Scams are rampant everywhere, and in some cases when strangers get into a traffic accident on the street nobody is willing to help anymore because of a number of cases years ago where the victim actually ended up trying to put the blame and medical bills on the person who was trying to help. And I don't think it has entirely to do with the history of communist China though. I am 4th generation Chinese living in Southeast Asia (no one of my family has ever lived through communist China) and even then my parents would always say something like 'never help your friends bring their suitcases to the customs check at the airport, you never know if they could use you as a drug mule, and if the customs find drugs inside the blame will be on you." Generally speaking it's just rooted in our culture, where various historical figures always talked about planning things against each other, being sly and cunning, smart and calculative etc.; people are just extra careful around each other and that can also be considered a sign of low trust in society. Also it is true that Chinese is too large of a group for us to be united, heck that would be 1/6th of the global population. I do realise though as a Teochew individual that the Teochew subgroup has a way more tight knit community that actually helps each other out in the business community (hence why they are extraordinarily successful in many countries) and there is even a word 'ga gi nang' which means 'our own people' and it refers exclusively to us within the Teochew subgroup, its simply not used to refer to 'all Chinese people'. A few years ago some Teochews in China were scammed and trafficked into northern Myanmar but the Teochew business community bonded together to rescue them out of Myanmar using their "connections" and power in the business world.
This is not a Chinese or Asian issue. All humans are like that. To each his own. If you want success..you fight and claw your way to the top! I don't think this philosophy is different for any race or culture.
It manifests in different degrees though by culture and environment though. Like how Filipinos readily come together and offer help to each other overseas, but in the Philippines itself they’re automatically more wary of scams and backstabbing.
most of the communities who are outside of China will help each other because they don't fear they will be reported to authority for breaking laws that are not even laws in their host countries.
Perhaps it is just a lack of people interacting with each other. Even if you are the same race and live close by, it is still difficult to trust a stranger.
hmmm, my best managers at work have been Chinese, mainland Chinese are the best as managers in Australia. And my best lecturers and tutors from University are from China.
@@madterps They might as well get rich by signing up for the $1.6 billion allocated by US gov to spread anti-China misinformation and negativity for everything Chinese
Do Americans trust Americans abroad? Do Indians trust Indians abroad? When you are a part of such a large country, there are so many people that you start losing the sense of group identity. People from smaller countries/groups tend to stick together, because they are always reminded of the "others" surrounding them. China is the Middle Kingdom, many people there think of the country as their whole world essentially, similar to many Americans. When you are the "default", and so is everybody around you, then there's nothing special about your group identity, so you stop thinking about it.
Our parents fled communism and are Hoisan speaking! In addition we were raised in a completely non oriental environment in northern Minnesota. Therefore most of us married non Chinese! 😊 ( Italian, Polish, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Japanese, Jewish,German,to name a few 😊)
Funny that Brazilians in Japan often point out that Brazilians don't help each other and in fact compete with each other but the CHINESE, the Vietnamese and the Filipinos do help each other. Sure it looks like they most often cite the Vietnamese and the Filipinos, but they do cite the Chinese as well. Chinese in Italy are also seem as almost a "secret society" close to itself. (but probably most of it is due to Italian racism).
It's important to note that Brazilians are the largest group f foreigners in Japan, followed by the Chinese and Koreans. Vietnamese and Filipinos are growing non-stop in recent years. For those that may be thinking i's weird me citing Brazilians.
And by the way, Christian churches only make things WORSE, not better, wherever. Except for the Filipinos. Koreans, Vietnamese and Chinese Christians that I've found are generally SCARY. But that's maybe because I'm from a Christian country and I'm an atheist. Not because of prejudice on my part but because those fanatics when they see a Brazilian they go like, "Oh, a fellow Christian" and they generally are quite ANGRY to learn I'm from a very Christian family and I respect them and all but I don't believe it myself and that I think that one of the main problems in Brazil (as in the US) ARE Christian extremists. No Asian that I've met that where Christians ever talked to me again after finding out I'm an atheist. Except the Filipinos. Filipinos are the best.
Well the Chinese are highly ambitious people so therefore trust and the suspicion of others it takes a lot, compared to other Asians nation Chinese are considered as the Jew of the East.
dude you're overcomplicating it. it's really simple, each chinese citizen has somehow contributed to the collective image of chinese products being cheap, counterfeit, and toxic af (e.g. baby formula scandal, gutter oil, etc etc)
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Japan and Korea are small, cohesive societies. China is big, diverse and clannish. Mainland China ia a high trust society, and toggling back and forth, I can see how different the diaspora struggles in Western society factor. Do agree with your take. The one thing COVID helped was ABC prejudice against FOB like me. Edit: I found that younger ABCs that visit China walk away changed in a good way, feeling better about the home country and our society. This is probably generational and what was happening during childhood. Edit 2: nYour riff on the Cultura Revolution is really strange. In PRC that is ancient history only elders really remember. For PRC people nw, we have moved-on. ABC should let go of this.
In Japan it took 10 live stream videos of American Johnny Somali disrespecting Japanese before Japanese policemen take action.
Cultural revolution is still relevant, as many asian adults now were raised by chinese that lived through it and escaped it. You can see how older Chinese Grab-hags act in the PRC, and i'm sure most young chinese are disgusted and embarrassed by that behavior, and know where to attribute that behavior to. Stories as always passed down from elders; just because only elders remember it, does not mean it is no longer passed on as a lesson to learn for their kids. As the Fung Bros stated, all these are passed down to their kids, and its up to ABC's to choose whether or not they want to pass on this information.
Unlike china people can have a different opinion. Get used to it or stay on weibo
Mainland china is high trust society? You really sure?
Growing up in the US I remember my mom cautioning me to not blindly trust someone just because they were Chinese. So I didn’t. Btw, it was sage advice. I did run into a lot of Asians who would tell me that “we Asians need to stick together “, and it was usually when they wanted something from me. The line never worked on me. I don’t choose who I stick with based on skin color.
hecky yeah.
And that is why, my friend, Chinese don’t have unity nor pride. They often hate each other ..or intentionally stay away from each other. They hate themselves and look up to other groups. It’s called low self esteem.
Trust is earned. It's illogical to trust someone because they look like you.
Yes, Chinese aren't tribal. I've been Chinese American my whole life, and I can't imagine how other ethnicities/races are so tribal, and will help and come to the rescue of a complete stranger of their own race/ethnicity, while bullying and abusing another ethnicity, especially Chinese, since it's the most hated. I'm not another ethnicity, so I don't understand their tribal, incestuous, inward-looking, selfish thinking. Chinese are non-tribal, meritocratic, generous-minded, love the "outside," seek novelty, and embrace the different and new, and that's partly why we love other ethnicities/races so much, and treat them better. There's a huge amount of out-marriage, out-dating, and out-friending to other races/ethnicities, too. It's always the other race/ethnicities' parents who disapprove of their child's Chinese partner, while the Chinese parents welcome their child's non-Chinese partner with open arms, and are often happier their child is marrying out. Chinese are very broad-minded, big hearted, nonjudgmental, and open-minded. A lot of the disdain and non-tribalism towards other Chinese is because of so much anti-Chinese racism that causes us to be more judgmental to other Chinese. People are going to be ruder and harsher to other members of their hated ethnicity. I've heard that from African Americans and Latinos, but theirs is probably way lighter than how Chinese are.
I'm Chinese-Cambodian and moved to China this year so I may have some insights. From the outside, people think China is one single homogenous country. To some extent, it's true considering that about 98% of the population is Han Chinese. However, from the inside, China is incredibly diverse. There are different ethnic groups within the population such as Min Chinese and Hui Chinese. Even those groups get discriminated at times despite looking like everyone else.
Despite growing up with Mandarin, different regions of China speak different dialects, influencing their accents. So when a southern (ie. Guangzhou, Fujian) goes to the north (ie. Dongbei, Beijing) or vice-versa, it's really obvious they're not local so they may get asked: "Where are you from?" There's a stereotype that northerners have a superiority complex.
Funny enough, I read a post on 小红书 (Xiaohongshu, which is like China's version of Instagram) that ask: "Which country discriminates Chinese people the most?" Majority of the comments ironically were: "China"
Although abroad they're likely more united due to similarities (except with those not born and raised in China or don't speak Mandarin), domestically, they sometimes hate on each other based on region, accents, economic background, etc.
98% Han Chinese was in Taiwan (latest data is 95%), Mainland only has 91-92% Han Chinese, but the remaining 8-9% on the mainland still outnumbers the populations of many countries in the world...
@@StephenYoung1379 Yeah I knew I was in the ballpark but it's crazy to think that a 7-8% population difference is still incredibly large number haha
Indeed a lot of North Chinese behave rather arrogantly towards South Chinese, especially the ones from Beijing, Dongbei, and Shandong.
I kinda feel like this relates to something I said before on another video about chinese upbringing values to be very self-sufficient and competitive and to achieve... and knowing that others like your culture are taught the same thing, naturally you will be more distrustful or cautious around them
As an American, who lived in China, I’ve noticed that allegiance and trust with regional. When I was living in northern China, a man from Guangzhou came into a salon for a haircut, and they turned him away after a short moment of discussing things because they felt they could not understand his accent, even though he was speaking Mandarin. Strangely enough, they put up with me of New York and I’m not Asian and I speak Mandarin with a New York accent. I found that to be utterly strange.
Chinese guys are very competitive amongst themselves but very accommodating to other ethnicities. It should be the other way around
Funny that Brazilians in Japan often point out that Brazilians don't help each other and in fact compete with each other but the CHINESE, the Vietnamese and the Filipinos do help each other. Sure it looks like they most often cite the Vietnamese and the Filipinos, but they do cite the Chinese as well. Chinese in Italy are also seem as almost a "secret society" close to itself. (but probably most of it is due to Italian racism).
@@JohnnyLynnLee Idk why in the carribean and South America Chinese and Japanese are way more united, I think maybe they faced attacks as a community that could've ended in genocide and that kinda lit a fire on their ass to consolidate power and their own niche.
@@Drownedinblood But I'm talking mostly about Chinese IN JAPAN. It may be weird to some I'm talking about Brazilians in Japan but Brazilians are the third largest group of foreigners in Japan (and Brazil is the largest community of Japanese living abroad, over 1 million people in Brazil, most of Brazilians in Japan are of Japanese descent- "dekasegis"). Ahead of Brazilians only Chinese and Koreans. The Vietnamese and Filipinos are growing in Japan in recent years. And Brazilians often complain they are not united in Japan and point out the Chinese the Filipino and the Vietnamese are way more united (in the workplace, for instance). I don't know abut Koreans because most Brazilians in Japan are poor working on factories. In those jobs you can find lots of Brazilians,. Chinese, Filipinos and Vietnamese (even Malays and Indonesians) but not Koreans.
You are thinking about it wrong.
Firstly, competitiveness is not dichotomously opposed to being accommodating. You can compete with someone and have empathy for them.
But secondly, you shouldnt be choosing who are your adversaries and who are your neighbors through race, which is a nebulous concept on it's own.
@@Drownedinblood Let me be clear if you got it wrong. Those Chinese in Japan didn't come from Brazil, with the Brazilians. They came FROM CHINA., separately. They all just work at the same places as cheap workforce for Japan. So they observe each others daily at work. And Brazilians in Japan often complain how Brazilians don't help each other and cite the Vietnamese, the Filipino and the Chinese (albeit less the Chinese) as examples of groups of foreigners in Japan with strong ties with each other that Brazilians should aspire to be more like.
This is very interesting because as a Latino, I notice that out of the East Asians, the Japanese and South Koreans have a strong sense of community compared to the Chinese!
Chinese actually hate each other.
Because chinese society is built upon the worst component of capitalism which is money above the basic human right in combination with authoritarian communism, rather than free speech, ethics, integrity, transparency, creditworthness, institutionalities. Chinese think and behave exactly aligned with what their country is intrinsically.
Chinese people are known for betraying their own race even throughout history
There’s literally so many different ethnic groups with their own dialects under the “Chinese” umbrella. Even within the same ethnic group, you have Taiwanese Chinese, Hong Kong Chinese, Singaporean Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Vietnamese Chinese, Indonesian Chinese, etc. they all have very different national and political identity as well. Japan and Korea have less of that
@@elllllllle939it’s true. I’ve witnessed it. Especially true from Chinese girls who tend to white worship, assimilate and therefore avoid / hate Chinese guys
I noticed this since i was a kid. When i met another Chinese person, they always ask me what part of the city when i live in and what does my parents do for a living. Didn't understand it till i was an adult. On top of not trusting other Asians
Omg thanks for bringing this up. It’s so true. We aren’t very unified
Simply because many of those immigrated Chinese in foreign countries, are those who didn't have good life in China and they have no love and having strong negative view (some even self-hating) against their own culture and own people, that's why they moved away in the first place...So how could they trust each other in foreign countries with that mindset?
It's totally opposite with older generations when Chinese being forced to leave their home, so they trust each other's and built community around the world a.k.a : Chinatowns
At least for the post-1965 crowd, ethnic Chinese who immigrated to America believed the myth that it was the perfect land of rainbows and butterflies. No one hears about discrimination, and Chinese immigrants wanted to live among white people, and had no idea of racism. How can you like other Chinese if you wanted to move to a predominantly white country your whole life, and live among them? Also, Chinese Americans are very happy to marry/friend out, and the parents are very happy when their child marries out, and it's almost always the non-Chinese parents who disapprove of their child marrying a dirty Chinese.
This is crazier in Indian community. Unless you're friends, Indians tend to shun from fellow Indians. I was talking to a German guy at a social event, when two Indian girls joined and started talking but only kept talking to the other guy while avoiding me. Stuff like this happened so many times lol. I was dating a Chinese girl for a few months and she would never share anything about her culture or growing up in China and would only stick to American/European stuff and a little bit of Korean.
@@srijanbiswas2409 the Indian girls probably white worshipped like many Chinese girls do. It’s almost like they’re embarrassed and in denial that they are what they are
Then who are smelly.....xapists and scammers
Ben...galis.....be with other Ben....galis.
Other indian ethnic group aren't bound to help u or live with u.
@@Hey_puppetsye le gaumutra 💦😂
@@Hey_puppets thanks for proving my point that many Indians dislike each other unless from same caste or sub-ethnicity lol. However i do have close friends from other Indian states and I’m sure we will be more united in future as a country and race.
You trust people by their character, as individual, not by their ethnicity.
This is especially the case with Europeans amongst themselves Vs how they view migrants who invade Europe
Not only Chinese all race have the same problem but Chinese might have more issue due to super diverse and so many different dialects in another country. It’s quite complicated
Chinese do trust each other both historically and to date, even among the diaspora. The chinatowns and tongs/organizations and the bamboo network are evidence of this. There are subsets of Chinese who are very competitive and engage in zero sum games, but this can be found among most groups in the world. Perhaps arguably this occurs with disproportionately higher intensity among the Chinese, thus, "why Chinese don't trust each other more". Trust, like socially acceptable behaviour, is something that must be repeatedly taught at the systemic level, which is why the cultural revolution negatively affected it but modern law enforcement positively affects it. Ultimately, I think Chinese people may be competitive against each other, especially on petty squabbles and one-upsmanship, but when they face a common challenge, they do put their differences aside and team up. Much like what a family does when the family has deep roots.
in my experience, anyone who tells you to trust them based on their race is most likely to backstab you.
yes , same race bait as an advantage to theirs
Hong Kong has the 3rd highest population of Christians at 16% with South Korea being at 30% in 2nd place and The Philippines at 78% being in 1st place.
I agree. The Chinese Community Church hasn’t helped me when my father left us when I was 14.
There's a reason that the Chinese make the best spies. 🕵♂
Chinese people are ultra-competitive and will do anything to get ahead, but there's also a giant element of saving face. They care about appearing noble to serve their own reputation, but once there's an opportunity to backstab, throwing their friends under the bus for their own instrumental gain isn't off the table.
Japan is obviously the ultimate exemplar of a high-trust society. You can leave your personal belongings unattended in public and expect it to still be there once you return. China is known for its CCTV, so the trust more so stems from deterrence rather than social cohesion. But yeah, there's much greater diversity among the Chinese compared to other East Asians, largely because the country's geography is so massive. The same can be said about India, btw. North and South Indians are known to be vastly different.
The scarcity factor does play into it a lot. When the club invites anyone and everyone, it's not going to feel as special as one that's more exclusive because the members will have more unique experiences in common.
ABCs can only be as tribal as the people they surround themselves with. An ABC growing up in a small town where they're the only Asian kid in their class won't feel as connected to their identity as someone who had a whole circle of Chinese friends.
Social skills aren't deemed important in the Chinese context because Chinese parents have a linear vision of success. They think training their kid to become a human calculator will lead them on a path to getting a well-paid, cushy corporate job, which is the East Asian definition of success, They discount the importance of developing a multi-faceted personality and how that impacts life outcomes.
Most Chinese people today aren't really devoted to faith. The only deity they worship is the almighty Benjamin, let's be honest. 💰 These institutions don't have as much of an influence on how Chinese people operate as those from more religious nations.
YMMV, but the reason that stereotypes exist is because they contain a kernel of truth, otherwise they wouldn't persist. People are pattern-recognition machines. We like to make generalizations based on the observation of repeated patterns.
The only story that's sold in Chinese families is put your nose to the grindstone and hopefully that'll lead to a life of fulfillment once you're able to reap the fruits of your labor. But that's obviously not a very compelling narrative to sell to a kid with a desire to rebel against their tiger parents.
The Cultural Revolution only affects the Boomer generation, though. Chinese kids in China or ABCs will have no recollection of this period. Even if their parents were influenced by it, older Millennials and certainly Gen Z grew up in totally different world.
There is a Chinese identity. Whether there's a unified Chinese identity is a separate question. Just because not every Chinese person can be perfectly categorized under a monolith does not mean that a Chinese identity can't be established.
One of the primary reasons the Chinese operate transactionally is because of the scarcity mindset and the struggle for survival. It's all about accumulating resources to escape out of dire economic circumstances. Basically delayed gratification on steroids.
Japan has a lot CCTV too. Japan’s high trust society comes from looking good and maintaining one’s reputation. Also, social cohesion and their social consensus.
Well said. Chinese have no soul, honor, code of ethic other than gaining more money for themselves.
Nothing good ever has come out from chinese immigration in SEA.
That's why Korea and Japan are reluctant to increasing chinese immigration toward these countries.
@@JMWWMJJMWSTFU. Kind of funny how shitty Amerikkkan vassals in SEA love to prop up genocide in Gaza, cough cough Philippines.
Your ethnicity is material and represents a common past. Your religion is spiritual and represents a common future. If Love is the most foundational value of your spirituality, it would solve most of the issues within the individual and the community
If you inspect your own nation from inside, then it is always like we are very disunited, but from the view of other nations, we look very united.
as a korean with Chinese friends I figured it was about if you had the same Chinese accent, abg vs fob, and what city you came from if you fob. To me Koreans when I grew up was about if you fob or not and if you goody to shoes Christian, party animal drunk, or a hypocrite for being both Lolol
I think growing up in the West, it's hard for me to relate to the 'fobs' (not saying this in a bad way) because yeah, in some cases the stereotype is true. Chinese people are more ... introverted? and it did get very difficult with my friendships.
Here on a trip to China and was just wondering this.
No way China is a high trust society. Scams are rampant everywhere, and in some cases when strangers get into a traffic accident on the street nobody is willing to help anymore because of a number of cases years ago where the victim actually ended up trying to put the blame and medical bills on the person who was trying to help. And I don't think it has entirely to do with the history of communist China though. I am 4th generation Chinese living in Southeast Asia (no one of my family has ever lived through communist China) and even then my parents would always say something like 'never help your friends bring their suitcases to the customs check at the airport, you never know if they could use you as a drug mule, and if the customs find drugs inside the blame will be on you." Generally speaking it's just rooted in our culture, where various historical figures always talked about planning things against each other, being sly and cunning, smart and calculative etc.; people are just extra careful around each other and that can also be considered a sign of low trust in society.
Also it is true that Chinese is too large of a group for us to be united, heck that would be 1/6th of the global population. I do realise though as a Teochew individual that the Teochew subgroup has a way more tight knit community that actually helps each other out in the business community (hence why they are extraordinarily successful in many countries) and there is even a word 'ga gi nang' which means 'our own people' and it refers exclusively to us within the Teochew subgroup, its simply not used to refer to 'all Chinese people'. A few years ago some Teochews in China were scammed and trafficked into northern Myanmar but the Teochew business community bonded together to rescue them out of Myanmar using their "connections" and power in the business world.
The cultural revolution did a lot of damage to Chinese values and identity.
To be united, you need a common enemy. Chinese who came to the US don’t fight against US, because they need to survive.
This is not a Chinese or Asian issue. All humans are like that. To each his own. If you want success..you fight and claw your way to the top! I don't think this philosophy is different for any race or culture.
It manifests in different degrees though by culture and environment though. Like how Filipinos readily come together and offer help to each other overseas, but in the Philippines itself they’re automatically more wary of scams and backstabbing.
The Mandarin people help Mandarin people. The Wenzhou people help Wenzhou people. The Cantonese people help Cantonese people.
Correction to David: 1949 is the start of PRC. Culture revolution happened during the 70s
I think East Asians can be highly competitive, especially amongst their own ethnic groups
福建人间经常相互帮助
山东人间有时候相互帮助
东北人在中国时就是不同的移民组成的群体，内部没有相同的文化认同
老乡见老乡，两眼泪汪汪。
most of the communities who are outside of China will help each other because they don't fear they will be reported to authority for breaking laws that are not even laws in their host countries.
Perhaps it is just a lack of people interacting with each other. Even if you are the same race and live close by, it is still difficult to trust a stranger.
hmmm, my best managers at work have been Chinese, mainland Chinese are the best as managers in Australia. And my best lecturers and tutors from University are from China.
Fung bros misnamed the 1949 communist revolution as the cultural Revolution which did not occur until 1965 and ended in 1976.
They are ignorant and should talk less about issues when they barely know shit.
@@madterps They might as well get rich by signing up for the $1.6 billion allocated by US gov to spread anti-China misinformation and negativity for everything Chinese
Where do they get their content source from??? I want to post on these forums my opinions
Chinese do help each other but you gotta be from their province of China.
Chinese living in China see the whole country as a chess board, Chinese are very united in China.
This is my observation but it looks like one Chinese person sees another as a potential obstacle in the pathway to success.
Falling down and having no one help is an American thing. The Chinese Americans are afraid of being sued for moving someone who is injured.
I like chinese people they are friendly foreigners i don't about media they always spread hate to china but this is not true love from bangladesh❤
Do Americans trust Americans abroad? Do Indians trust Indians abroad? When you are a part of such a large country, there are so many people that you start losing the sense of group identity. People from smaller countries/groups tend to stick together, because they are always reminded of the "others" surrounding them. China is the Middle Kingdom, many people there think of the country as their whole world essentially, similar to many Americans. When you are the "default", and so is everybody around you, then there's nothing special about your group identity, so you stop thinking about it.
Our parents fled communism and are Hoisan speaking! In addition we were raised in a completely non oriental environment in northern Minnesota. Therefore most of us married non Chinese! 😊 ( Italian, Polish, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Japanese, Jewish,German,to name a few 😊)
Who is contributing to these polls? Where does one go to fill out these surveys? I'm middle old, so I don't know this 'Reddit' that i hear of.
I’m a huge fan of this channel but this topic is not a good topic. it is too General too vague
because those are non communist Chinese
Old generation not help each, young guys behavior good👍
Funny that Brazilians in Japan often point out that Brazilians don't help each other and in fact compete with each other but the CHINESE, the Vietnamese and the Filipinos do help each other. Sure it looks like they most often cite the Vietnamese and the Filipinos, but they do cite the Chinese as well. Chinese in Italy are also seem as almost a "secret society" close to itself. (but probably most of it is due to Italian racism).
It's important to note that Brazilians are the largest group f foreigners in Japan, followed by the Chinese and Koreans. Vietnamese and Filipinos are growing non-stop in recent years. For those that may be thinking i's weird me citing Brazilians.
And by the way, Christian churches only make things WORSE, not better, wherever. Except for the Filipinos. Koreans, Vietnamese and Chinese Christians that I've found are generally SCARY. But that's maybe because I'm from a Christian country and I'm an atheist. Not because of prejudice on my part but because those fanatics when they see a Brazilian they go like, "Oh, a fellow Christian" and they generally are quite ANGRY to learn I'm from a very Christian family and I respect them and all but I don't believe it myself and that I think that one of the main problems in Brazil (as in the US) ARE Christian extremists. No Asian that I've met that where Christians ever talked to me again after finding out I'm an atheist. Except the Filipinos. Filipinos are the best.
This topic sounds similar to toxic filipino culture
They compete and want prosperity.
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Well the Chinese are highly ambitious people so therefore trust and the suspicion of others it takes a lot, compared to other Asians nation Chinese are considered as the Jew of the East.
dude you're overcomplicating it. it's really simple, each chinese citizen has somehow contributed to the collective image of chinese products being cheap, counterfeit, and toxic af (e.g. baby formula scandal, gutter oil, etc etc)
Most Chinese care for higher standards.
Yea it's called communist social credit
Cause bigger population.
Cuz we are scammers
This has been going on for years. Its nothing new, why make a big deal about it.
Aahh the Chinese are the blacks of asia 😂
Hell nah u wish 😂