Do Soldiers Really Shoot to Kill?

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    Psychologically, it’s a lot easier to pull the trigger in an instance where you are aiming at a plane, or down the barrel of another sniper, or on a blind battlefield, shooting artillery into the mist, than it is to face to face pull the trigger on an enemy soldier.
    So, in war, just how many soldiers really shoot to kill?
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  • @Simplehistory
    @Simplehistory  4 месяца назад +182

    This video was made possible thanks to everyone on the Simple History Patreon: www.patreon.com/simplehistory

    • @Merin6908
      @Merin6908 4 месяца назад +1

      meow

    • @aayanscreativelab1786
      @aayanscreativelab1786 4 месяца назад +2

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    • @aayanscreativelab1786
      @aayanscreativelab1786 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Merin6908bark bark.

    • @neutron7015
      @neutron7015 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Merin6908no

    • @tianasantos3525
      @tianasantos3525 4 месяца назад +4

      I have an idea: what if you created subtitles in several languages, as not everyone (including me) knows how to speak English

  • @entarr2604
    @entarr2604 4 месяца назад +3162

    Army vet here. In short, it's just about survival, to go home and see your loved ones. If you don't shoot to kill/incapacitate, the enemy will do it to you. It's nothing personal, it's just business

    • @kooperuranus1503
      @kooperuranus1503 4 месяца назад +283

      Nothing is more real then that moment realizing that those people want to kill you this is not a game. People that haven't been to war don't understand.

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 4 месяца назад +76

      @@kooperuranus1503but I can understand what it means in history
      I don’t need to be in the frontlines to understand why ww1 was messy

    • @austinv9964
      @austinv9964 4 месяца назад +135

      ​@@korhol2065you can say the words, but you can't feel the feelings.

    • @rogerSoySauce
      @rogerSoySauce 4 месяца назад +41

      But then you realize that your enemies have the same will as you to survive and be able to see their loved ones, yea but still.. kill or be billed

    • @mystic37
      @mystic37 4 месяца назад +16

      Right, we shoot to take the other person out of the fight. "shoot to kill" and "prosecute to the fullest extent of the law" are some of the dumbest statements that have ever come out of some smooth brain.

  • @kptparker
    @kptparker 4 месяца назад +523

    I remember what I was told during basic training "Killing is a option but our task as a soldier is to neutralize danger enemy pose, be it by killing, making them surrender or forcing them to retreat."

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 4 месяца назад +11

      Thats a good way to put it.

    • @eurosonly
      @eurosonly 4 месяца назад +12

      You had a really good teacher sounds like.

    • @kptparker
      @kptparker 4 месяца назад +4

      @@eurosonly You mean LT of my platoon.

    • @castlebravocrypto1615
      @castlebravocrypto1615 4 месяца назад +3

      This is accurate

    • @KahinAhmed72
      @KahinAhmed72 4 месяца назад +2

      I totally would’ve said something like that… 😤

  • @OldUncleDan
    @OldUncleDan 4 месяца назад +1305

    We're trained with muscle memory to shoot human shaped targets it just becomes second nature

    • @GolfRemoEchoGolf2
      @GolfRemoEchoGolf2 4 месяца назад +71

      Why they went to human Silhouettes to replace the round targets

    • @OldUncleDan
      @OldUncleDan 4 месяца назад +26

      ​@@GolfRemoEchoGolf2 Exactly 👍🏼

    • @Alphoric
      @Alphoric 4 месяца назад +21

      Hahaha what in the main character syndrome comment even is this

    • @Alphoric
      @Alphoric 4 месяца назад +5

      @@deonachilles10because you’ve killed 46,930 people haven’t you

    • @tgagaming3104
      @tgagaming3104 4 месяца назад +27

      ​@@Alphoricbro log out

  • @countbenjamin1442
    @countbenjamin1442 4 месяца назад +981

    When I was in law enforcement class we were told Military shoots to kill and police shoot to stop aggression. The professor admitted both are shoot to kill but cops can't say that.

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 4 месяца назад +12

      I wonder why? Do they think we’ll just keep guns with us just in case?

    • @ThirtytwoJ
      @ThirtytwoJ 4 месяца назад

      So theyre taught to lie and manipulate from day 1? Interesting..

    • @codybailey855
      @codybailey855 4 месяца назад +108

      War is kill or be killed. You carry a battle rifle/carbine for a reason. Law Enforcement is about stopping a threat. Your primary is a handgun. After stopping a threat, law enforcement is expected to render aid to the person who just tried to kill you.

    • @caelestigladii
      @caelestigladii 4 месяца назад +42

      @@codybailey855And the most effective method to neutralize a threat is to stop the threat as efficiently as possible.
      Remember that a legless, one armed threat can still shoot a gun.
      And you don’t know if the threat is actually neutralized even if it has stopped moving.

    • @LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit
      @LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit 4 месяца назад +5

      @@codybailey855 SWAT Teams: Lol. Lmao even.

  • @OfficialA.D.
    @OfficialA.D. 4 месяца назад +222

    You should talk about "the dai hong dan incident". Where in 2007, a north Korean cargo ship got hijacked by Somalian pirates. And a US warship came to the rescue after hearing their distress call. Fortunately, the NK sailors took the ship back after killing 2 of the baddies, and capturing 5 more. 3 of the sailors needed medical treatment, where US Navy medical personnel helped them. When the news spread around NK, they made a VERY RARE statement, PRAISING the US navy for answering the distress call for the their sailors. Worth talking about it.

    • @OfficialA.D.
      @OfficialA.D. 3 месяца назад +1

      @@You_never_okay yeah I was talking about the pirates

  • @TheGreenMeanMachine
    @TheGreenMeanMachine 4 месяца назад +56

    My grandfather told me he was shooting many russian soldiers in WW2, because he knew: if he did not kill them, they would have killed him. Later he felt sorry for what he did, because he knew that they were all just young guys like himself and he was not able to forget about their screams before they died. He drowned his trauma in alcohol until he passed away with 73.

    • @caocao4266
      @caocao4266 3 месяца назад +7

      Your grandpa at least still has the symphaty deep in his heart... There are lots of soldiers out there who get used to killing and take it as a game for pure enjoyment...

  • @oracleofdelphi4533
    @oracleofdelphi4533 4 месяца назад +454

    The soldiers who don't are taken out by the ones who do.

    • @Berserker3624
      @Berserker3624 4 месяца назад +7

      Exactly

    • @jayvhoncalma3458
      @jayvhoncalma3458 4 месяца назад +12

      ​@@Berserker3624 Yeah it's kill or be killed

    • @jedknight4389
      @jedknight4389 4 месяца назад +29

      What was it Patton said?
      "Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it, by making the enemy die for his!"
      Quote cleaned up, so as to not offend delicate ears.

    • @Berserker3624
      @Berserker3624 4 месяца назад +9

      @@jedknight4389 shame that RUclips doesn’t allow for free speech anymore eh?

    • @corey8420
      @corey8420 4 месяца назад

      That's what I find interesting about the fact only about 10% of troops shoot to kill. Imagine on in the Pacific, out of 300 troops only 30 were actually trying to kill the Japanese. It seems to much to believe, do your own research. Start with simply looking on Google then go down the worm hole..I spent weeks reading about it.

  • @jthoma82
    @jthoma82 4 месяца назад +84

    3 time Iraq vet here. Even with my Advanced Rifle Marksmanship and Close Quarters Marksmanship certifications when I trained under the Presidents Hundred, we never once were taught to shoot to wound. It was always shoot to hit. Shooting a moving target is hard enough from a stationary and supported position, let alone from a high stress unsupported standing position. We aim for the biggest area of the body, the torso, because it has the highest likelihood success not to mention all the vital organs.

    • @ofal5124
      @ofal5124 3 месяца назад +1

      You don't really have to be veteran to know this

    • @jthoma82
      @jthoma82 3 месяца назад +12

      @@ofal5124 I agree but you'd be surprised how many civies don't know this. There's a lot of them who earnestly think "shoot to wound" is a real thing and believe our LEOs and military should be using it more

    • @SirHellNaja
      @SirHellNaja 3 месяца назад +1

      "Shoot to wound" VS "Shoot the dude" lol

  • @pabcu2507
    @pabcu2507 4 месяца назад +305

    I reckon they mostly shoot to stop the enemy from fighting (not killing), but with how chaotic battles can be, then it’s the matter of survival

    • @TheTankperson
      @TheTankperson 4 месяца назад +6

      Nice pfp bro

    • @pabcu2507
      @pabcu2507 4 месяца назад +8

      @@TheTankperson same to you brother!

    • @juanm.q5121
      @juanm.q5121 4 месяца назад +4

      Problem is that almost every shot, regardless of the part of the body could potentially kill anyone. A bullet damage to the body, even in your hand is no joke.
      Incapacitate is just an euphemism so soldiers could overcome the moral implications and trauma of killing another human being like you later on

    • @nomercyinc6783
      @nomercyinc6783 4 месяца назад +4

      soliders dont get into gun battles to persuade enemies to flee. soldiers/warfighters get in gun battles to end the threat.

  • @jack1235ify
    @jack1235ify 4 месяца назад +119

    What my uncle told me about war. War is a ugly scary nightmare . No other way to describe it.

    • @PROVOCATEURSK
      @PROVOCATEURSK 4 месяца назад +1

      If soldiers were not cowards they would shoot their officers. No officers, no wars.

  • @karma226s8
    @karma226s8 4 месяца назад +177

    1:44
    Man surrenders
    Man stabs
    Man has mental trauma

    • @ThatPianoNoob
      @ThatPianoNoob 4 месяца назад +14

      I always wonder what soldiers do if they just cant take any prisoners at the moment and the enemy surrenders.. I assume that these types of killings are quite common, especially behind enemy lines.

    • @Praskful
      @Praskful 4 месяца назад +1

      why man stab ?

    • @tobeslmao
      @tobeslmao 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Praskfulin case the other soldier pulls a *”Sike, I lied”* move

    • @TotallyNotARebel_550
      @TotallyNotARebel_550 Месяц назад

      Sadly humans aren't perfect to know if it's true or lies

  • @jeffg1418
    @jeffg1418 4 месяца назад +124

    I was in the USMC, I was an infantry machine gunner 0331. I carried a 240G machine gun and had been taught to hit the people in their chest to lower stomach and thighs. Those are all kill shots, I learned that during my time in Iraq.

    • @PROVOCATEURSK
      @PROVOCATEURSK 4 месяца назад +2

      So you would kill for money, how evil and cowardly.

    • @David-vz4yk
      @David-vz4yk 4 месяца назад +43

      @@PROVOCATEURSKhe is the reason you are able to live a comfterable life without oppression

    • @jeffg1418
      @jeffg1418 4 месяца назад +1

      @PROVOCATEURSK ok, you broke pansy.

    • @dan-oh7jo
      @dan-oh7jo 4 месяца назад

      ​@@David-vz4ykGood joke buddy 😂😂😂

    • @someonesomewhere3i1
      @someonesomewhere3i1 4 месяца назад +40

      ​@@David-vz4ykHes not. There is no way Iraq, or any other country could have endagnered american security and freedome. Iraq was invaded for no good reason, other then enlarging the pockets of the military industrial complex.

  • @ViceN53X
    @ViceN53X 4 месяца назад +47

    "This is War. Survival is your responsibility," - Hunk

  • @spottiercamp8183
    @spottiercamp8183 4 месяца назад +18

    It’s honestly sad RUclips demonetizes this stuff like seriously this shot has to be remembered and not changed to sound more colourful or one sided

  • @janethammond5925
    @janethammond5925 4 месяца назад +52

    My father was a WW2 veteran and I remember him telling me that oneday he was left alone to guard their outpost. His commanding officer told him to fire upon ANY vehicle that approached, without waiting to see who it was. He was given orders to shoot to kill basically. A vehicle later approached from some distance and Dad's finger started to squeeze the trigger. But he couldn't bring himself to shoot, not knowing who it was. Just as well too because it turned out to be the army doctor.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 4 месяца назад +28

      What a stupid order

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 4 месяца назад

      Orders like this is what got stonewall Jackson killed by his own troops

    • @janethammond5925
      @janethammond5925 4 месяца назад +15

      ​@@jason200912Yes absolutely. I had a WW2 veteran tell me another equally awful story, worse actually. He told me he was ordered to shoot German soldiers as they were parachuting in mid air. He cried as he told me he felt like a murderer. I learned recently that that was an illegal order as the Germans were helpless in that situation. It would be like shooting a soldier when he was asleep. That poor man and his platoon carried the burden of guilt their whole lives.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 4 месяца назад +8

      @@janethammond5925 I think that's actually legal as long as they're an armed soldier such as a paratrooper or if the fire while descending. It's air pilots that are the ones assumed to be non combatants when they parachute down and bail the plane

    • @janethammond5925
      @janethammond5925 4 месяца назад +5

      ​@@jason200912 Yes that makes sense, though it still seems unfair if the paratroopers are unable to fire back. But thanks for your reply, I've learned something today! 😊

  • @pabcu2507
    @pabcu2507 4 месяца назад +141

    With how the war in Ukraine shows, killing still seems to be the norm in wars and soldiers eventually become accustomed to it (if they survive)

    • @Berserker3624
      @Berserker3624 4 месяца назад +32

      humans are extremely adaptable creatures, good trait to have

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 4 месяца назад +24

      People are taught to be weapons by people who make the drill instructor from full metal jacket look like your nice grandpa

    • @shipsability
      @shipsability 4 месяца назад +21

      Yeah. But the second they get back home they never forget the people they killed. War's horrible.

    • @pabcu2507
      @pabcu2507 4 месяца назад +24

      @@shipsability more importantly, seeing their friends getting killed in horrifying ways

    • @crazyfire9470
      @crazyfire9470 4 месяца назад +6

      Sometimes war is necessary…

  • @corymorimacori1059
    @corymorimacori1059 4 месяца назад +219

    “Friendly fire is not tolerated.”
    Viktor Reznov: The flag may be different, but the methods are the same.
    Theodore Roosevelt: You should be ashamed of your military honor!

    • @whiteeye3453
      @whiteeye3453 4 месяца назад +6

      And roselfelt was right

    • @Arcanyum
      @Arcanyum 4 месяца назад +16

      Everyone knows back at home you're like, "Thank God for Pearl Harbor".

    • @whiteeye3453
      @whiteeye3453 4 месяца назад +4

      @@Arcanyum?

    • @PhantomEagle..
      @PhantomEagle.. 4 месяца назад +15

      ​@@whiteeye3453These were quotes from Epic rap Battles of History Theodore Roosevelt vs Winston Churchill

    • @legobros2020
      @legobros2020 4 месяца назад +2

      @@whiteeye3453millions of us victims in dozens and dozens of nations 😊

  • @LOLLULZLIL
    @LOLLULZLIL 4 месяца назад +33

    To get to an answer to this question I think it's also important to take into consideration the fact of PTSD. Interestingly enough PTSD is not a new phenomenon. There are written scriptures of ancient army soldiers who had very similar symptoms of nowadays soldiers.
    I think for the majority of humanity it is hard to take another human life, since we are creatures who feel empathy
    To overcome this problem I think soldiers need to have at least one of the following conditions: (there are certainly more than the once I mention but I think those are on the top
    Dehumanization = Get the soldier (or even the whole population) to think about the enemy not as a fellow human being but a threat/problem/disease that needs to be exterminated
    Personal motivation = To give soldiers an incentive to kill the enemy soldiers in order to protect one's friends/families/hometown/country/freedom or something one holds dear
    Actual vengeance = Losing empathy through actual events for example the conquest of the soviet union by the germans and their brutality on captured soldiers and the population and later calling for vengeance
    Under these conditions I actually do believe that even the average Joe would be able to shoot to kill.
    The problem is once the realisation kicks in that the enemy someone shot was actually a fellow human and not responsible for ones misary or not worth killing over an intrinsic value.
    And that can even happen during combat itself: If a soldier sees an enemy soldier's face up close frightened stiff, or a picture of a family in a dead soldiers pocket so something that recreates that human connection.
    A soldier can repress that sentiment maybe in the heat of battle when the adrenaline is pumping and basic training kicks in. But once everything settles down (The timing can vary a lot) the remorse/PTSD/questioning one's action come to themost part of soldiers.
    Conclusion: I personally believe that given the right conditions soldiers do actually shoot to kill. But humans aren't made to kill one another. And that's why a lot of soldiers will struggle with their actions resulting in PTSD/depression/remorse or general struggle with something.
    So that's my thesis maybe I enlightened someone / changed their perspective or gave someone help to find an answer to the given question maybe I just talked gibberish if you feel like leaving a response to my commantary fell free to do so I am open to everything and everyone if you made it this far I thank your for reading :D

    • @MrDrawBricks
      @MrDrawBricks 4 месяца назад +3

      The Problem is Many soldiers are turned inhumane because of the brutality of war. They see their fellow soldiers being killed and thats what ignites the flame. As you Mentioned earlier, vengeance.

  • @user-pq8zb8we1b
    @user-pq8zb8we1b 4 месяца назад +30

    I have been watching you for 6 years now, love the videos! Keep up the great work!

  • @MyCharlie223
    @MyCharlie223 4 месяца назад +52

    Kyle didnt earn the monicker "american sniper" lol he was known as The Devil of Ramadi

  • @ives3572
    @ives3572 4 месяца назад +41

    "War's tragedy is that it uses man's best to do man's worst." - Harry Emerson Fosdick

  • @Sectzi_Sw3AtEr
    @Sectzi_Sw3AtEr 4 месяца назад +3

    I’ve always wondered what you looked like. Nice video, your Channel is very entertaining, and educational.

  • @THE_MR_MAN
    @THE_MR_MAN 3 месяца назад

    thank you for making these history videos!

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 4 месяца назад +8

    I'm glad I've never had to go to war

  • @bobwehadababyitsaboi103
    @bobwehadababyitsaboi103 4 месяца назад +78

    My dad spent 25 years in the army and he always told me the idea is to shoot to incapacitate the enemy, not necessarily to kill. It takes two soldiers or so to help a wounded man, so that's removes 3 from the fight.

    • @whiteeye3453
      @whiteeye3453 4 месяца назад +5

      Your father lied so you could get nightmares

    • @justalpha9138
      @justalpha9138 4 месяца назад +12

      ​@@whiteeye3453Huh???

    • @daleupthegrove6396
      @daleupthegrove6396 4 месяца назад

      That is especially true in a guerilla conflict.

    • @DeezzzzzzNuts12
      @DeezzzzzzNuts12 4 месяца назад

      @@whiteeye3453 your father snuck in your room and played with your sugar now you're a princess

    • @OMT988
      @OMT988 4 месяца назад +6

      Its not actually true, I spent 24 years in the Army, you're taught to shoot for the centre of mass. Reason being it gives you more margin for error. (ie youre most likely to hit that way) But dont forget that can mean centre of the head if thats all you can see....but that logic also makes it more robotic....you aren't being told the outcome of the shots just where to shoot.
      (I also spent 10 years in a sniper platoon, thats different as youre shooting for accuracy. So you do actually pick a specific point which then makes it easier for adjustments if you miss)

  • @Echo2-2
    @Echo2-2 4 месяца назад +2

    Excellent work

  • @JugglesGrenades
    @JugglesGrenades 4 месяца назад +32

    "Only the dead have seen the end of war."
    ~Plato~

  • @aayanscreativelab1786
    @aayanscreativelab1786 4 месяца назад +97

    How do you think they kill? By eating the enemy?

    • @Mark.exe1
      @Mark.exe1 4 месяца назад +46

      *cough* WW2 Japanesse *Cough*

    • @Gamerguy826
      @Gamerguy826 4 месяца назад +23

      Communists: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

    • @schlirf
      @schlirf 4 месяца назад +14

      Well, we do get Tabasco sauce issued with each and every MRE, so why put it waste?

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 4 месяца назад +4

      I’ve seen people get arrested for eating people in a desperate situation where there wasn’t a choice

    • @CMGThePerson
      @CMGThePerson 4 месяца назад

      @@Gamerguy826 I don't know any reports of Berlin wall guards eating failed escapees. Though it could be another communist regime you're referring too

  • @xebastianrodriguez
    @xebastianrodriguez 4 месяца назад +18

    The German soldier shooting the French one after he hesitated to bayonet stab him is wild.

  • @user-kr7yh8vw9m
    @user-kr7yh8vw9m 4 месяца назад

    What an intriguing video, thank you Simple History. I find this explanation about the human nature in war fascinating.

  • @radustefanvicol1461
    @radustefanvicol1461 4 месяца назад +10

    They shoot to hug and spread love

  • @2wad743
    @2wad743 3 месяца назад +5

    I would highly, HIGHLY, suggest reading the book “On Killing” by Dave Grossman.

  • @Get_The_BBQ_Sauce
    @Get_The_BBQ_Sauce 4 месяца назад +39

    “Sniping’s a good job mate.”

    • @eyo8766
      @eyo8766 4 месяца назад +5

      "It's Challenging work, Out of doors... I Guarantee you won't go hungry"

    • @ardantop132na6
      @ardantop132na6 4 месяца назад +5

      "Cause at the end of the day, as long as there's two people on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead."

  • @randyreese6413
    @randyreese6413 4 месяца назад +14

    Marine Corps vet here - There is no ambiguity about shooting to kill in the Marine Corps. From day one, you’re DIs make it clear that the purpose of a Marine is to kill, and that every round you fire must be fired with the intent to kill your adversary, hence the saying “One Shot, One Kill” in the words of my drill instructor, “Killing the other guy is how you go home alive.” Unlike the Army where a refrigeration mechanic would never expect to see combat and therefore boot camp is much more generalized, every Marine, regardless of their MOS expects to see combat at some point in their career, and to that end, the entirety of Marine Corps basic training and the subsequent one month of Marine Combat Training is laser focused on training you to kill the enemy. Soldiers may not shoot to kill, but Marines shoot to kill with every shot.

  • @Finnish-soldier
    @Finnish-soldier 4 месяца назад

    I love ur videos!

  • @Ajax020Paris
    @Ajax020Paris 4 месяца назад +3

    Surely there must also be a component of how painfull the death you inflict is in the decision whether to shoot to kill

  • @ArcticWolf00Alpha0
    @ArcticWolf00Alpha0 4 месяца назад +21

    I mean one of the most popular military sayings in history is "Shoot anything that moves."

    • @user-or8xk4ep4m
      @user-or8xk4ep4m 4 месяца назад +1

      only in armies like the IDF where killing is praised by religion. You have to remember, that your enemy has a family, a wife and potential children. Even Jesus teached to love your enemy.

    • @everest9707
      @everest9707 4 месяца назад

      Yes, sadly the Americans take that saying to heart.
      Look at all the cases of friendly fire!

  • @mitchellbarton7915
    @mitchellbarton7915 3 месяца назад +1

    9:49 I think I've seen some cases where civilian targets are added to train your instinct to identify who not to fire on as well.

  • @bouse23
    @bouse23 4 месяца назад +4

    I read that rhodesian soldiers were trained to fire at cover in a firefight it was very effective as often in a combat situation it can be hard to tell iniatially where you are been fired from.

    • @KahinAhmed72
      @KahinAhmed72 Месяц назад

      How interesting… I tried this method in PUBG when I’m getting shot at and don’t know where the enemy is. It made it easier to locate the enemy (while also making me more safe).
      Do you remember where you read this info from? LOL 😂

  • @Kilnor
    @Kilnor 4 месяца назад +3

    In the Army we trained to shoot center mass ( the torso ) because it's much easier to hit a large target than a small one. A common phrase was aim small miss small. Now with that being said, if you are aiming at a persons chest, what are the odds you hit a major artery or organ?

    • @askindale4943
      @askindale4943 3 месяца назад

      chance of hitting a major artery or organ? target(s) big, chance big?

  • @thegamingkaiser2874
    @thegamingkaiser2874 4 месяца назад +16

    2:16
    Bolt action Garand

    • @DerSingh0329
      @DerSingh0329 4 месяца назад

      I see!😂

    • @teebob21
      @teebob21 4 месяца назад +6

      That's an M1903 Springfield; specifically an M1903A3 which has a substantially similar rear sight as the M1 Garand.

    • @XxDramaticBatu
      @XxDramaticBatu 4 месяца назад +4

      That's not a garand, there is a visible bolt handle. Its an M1903 Springfield

    • @Sg.dornan78
      @Sg.dornan78 3 месяца назад +3

      I'm sure both of you are super blind. That's clearly an M1 Garand. The design is obviously a Garand, they're just operating it like it's an M1903.

    • @thegamingkaiser2874
      @thegamingkaiser2874 3 месяца назад +1

      @jorji_costavareal20 I know.
      Which is why I was jokingly referring to is as a "bolt action garand".

  • @salmalove4704
    @salmalove4704 4 месяца назад +1

    good vid keep it up

  • @frankrizzo4460
    @frankrizzo4460 3 месяца назад +2

    You didn't mention the Korean War my Dad was in that one and the stories he told me about the enemy were unbelievable. The Chinese were experts at firing mortars. He would hear them coming down miles away and landing right into the Americans foxholes. The were precise and deadly accurate. Many of his friends were killed from that weapons explosions. He himself was injured on Triangle Hill shrapnel got his leg from and enemy cannon. He was there for over two years and was sent home after his injuries.

  • @brandonjelsema2158
    @brandonjelsema2158 4 месяца назад +9

    I apologize I can't donate as I'm struggling myself, but I very much appreciate the content and you've got my morale support.

    • @Sureshots.
      @Sureshots. 4 месяца назад +1

      There is no reason to fill guilty. He gets paid off views to.

    • @FrenzyFields
      @FrenzyFields 4 месяца назад +1

      There’s no reason to donate man, he’s getting plenty of money from views and sponsorships.

  • @samtheweebo
    @samtheweebo 4 месяца назад +3

    There are instances where soldiers don't know exactly where an enemy is so they kinda pepper an area with fire. There is covering fire to keep enemies down or in cover. Not every trigger pull is intended to kill. I imagine some conscripted soldiers wouldn't want to kill. I bet there are plenty who don't want to kill, but when your life is on the line it's probably not something on the top of mind.

  • @TrondBrgeKrokli
    @TrondBrgeKrokli 4 месяца назад

    Glad to see your face while you talk about your channel. Makes this channel much more believable in a world where so many channels are created by AI and copy-paste material with low quality.

  • @russellconn
    @russellconn 4 месяца назад +15

    The white ghost had zero issues shooting to kill for what he believed in, granted he wasn't up front and personal but still.

    • @Berserker3624
      @Berserker3624 4 месяца назад +4

      I never understood wouldn’t a sniper better be able to see a persons face? Most firefights take place form quite a distant(unless it’s house to house fighting but that’s never been common in any war)

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 4 месяца назад

      @@Berserker3624 Yes.

    • @stefthorman8548
      @stefthorman8548 4 месяца назад +7

      ​@@Berserker3624iron sights, just because he can see the silhouette, doesn't mean he has super human farsight.

    • @jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378
      @jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378 4 месяца назад

      ​@@stefthorman8548 You can put mesh cloth or smaller vision slit on sniper nowadays.

    • @MegaEssin
      @MegaEssin 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Berserker3624A modern day sniper is an observer first and a shooter second. Getting to know all the "players" is key in urban combat for a sniper. So you may watch people for days before a shot is ever taken.
      But in combat a majority of shots are taken center mass, so you will never see the face of the person you're shooting.
      Depends on the mission objective.

  • @dane0phelps
    @dane0phelps 4 месяца назад +17

    Rambo said it best, “when you’re pushed, killing is as easy as breathing.”

  • @cannonball666
    @cannonball666 4 месяца назад +9

    On the subject of hesitation in battle: "When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do." --Patton

  • @clydemarshall8095
    @clydemarshall8095 4 месяца назад +1

    They’re supposed to, especially with modern training methods, but whether they follow through is another matter. Dave Grossman’s On Killing is an illuminating book on the subject.

  • @danieloandrade1259
    @danieloandrade1259 4 месяца назад

    I like your work😃

  • @JohnKimIGM
    @JohnKimIGM 4 месяца назад +9

    On the pacific front, a WW2 soldier's qualms against shooting to kill would have been changed the moment they realized the ruthlessness of the Japanese

  • @RODRIGO94424
    @RODRIGO94424 4 месяца назад +3

    Summary: yes

  • @timmycatron3468
    @timmycatron3468 4 месяца назад +1

    I’m a big fan of simple history I was wondering when will you make video of ground attack aircraft from the first world war till now I’ve seen the tank video I really enjoyed watching I think it would be interesting to see the ground attack aircraft as well

  • @justapeasant8949
    @justapeasant8949 4 месяца назад +3

    When comparing WWII Germans, 1931-1945 Japanese made even the Waffen SS and Red Army look like saints. They ABSOLUTLY reveled in violence and sadism to the point of ecstasy. They viewed all foreigners and especially a surrendering soldier(s) as a non-entity, let alone a living being. Like a kid in a candy store.

  • @wolvesgabemaster5385
    @wolvesgabemaster5385 4 месяца назад +3

    There is no satisfaction in killing another human being. But, in a war, it's all about survival and a soldier will do whatever it takes to preserve his life and also to protect his comrades.

  • @michaelowino228
    @michaelowino228 4 месяца назад +2

    Good video.

  • @whiskeytangofoxtrot9632
    @whiskeytangofoxtrot9632 4 месяца назад +2

    what else would they shoot for? shoot to tickle?

  • @spanishball9449
    @spanishball9449 4 месяца назад +6

    A decent amount of kills are just shooting into bushes or areas where enemies are meant to be, despite not seeing them face to face.
    Although if face to face it's a matter of kill or be killed. You might have trauma but at least you're alive.

  • @chemistryofquestionablequa6252
    @chemistryofquestionablequa6252 4 месяца назад +5

    I’m going home safe, whatever else happens, happens.

  • @nicholas8228
    @nicholas8228 4 месяца назад +1

    Lt col dave Grossman also talked about how a large percentage of combat soldiers that didn't partake in combat would directly support thos who would
    Running ammo, re supplying medical equip, relaying orders, directing fire. Stuff like that

    • @swissarmyknight4306
      @swissarmyknight4306 4 месяца назад

      Grossman's entire shtick is pseudoscience based on faulty interpretations of limited data. He's a complete fraud.

  • @Read.my.description956
    @Read.my.description956 24 дня назад +2

    Soldiers kill not because they hate whats in front
    But because they love whats behind them

  • @Jduekengn
    @Jduekengn 4 месяца назад +3

    Already saw the Lindybeige video on this topic 😂

  • @TheoTungsten
    @TheoTungsten 4 месяца назад +6

    6:49 I remember reading about colonel Marshall in “Humankind, A Hopeful History” by Rutger Bregman 3 years ago. I’ve looked into some of the claims of that book over the years and a lot of it leaves crucial information out. So if you read the book, take it with a grain of salt.

  • @righteouspaladin4316
    @righteouspaladin4316 4 месяца назад +1

    HEYO!!!! Props to your sound guy! @ 2:16 the sound for the m1 grands firing is very much like the sniper rifle from team fortress 2. I enjoyed this immensely.

    • @Sg.dornan78
      @Sg.dornan78 3 месяца назад

      Although, they operate the weapon like it's a bolt-action rifle.

  • @oskar1458
    @oskar1458 3 месяца назад

    The double space before really fascinates me😅

  • @michaelkubis7573
    @michaelkubis7573 4 месяца назад +3

    Also a combat vet here. Yes.

  • @claudiaxander
    @claudiaxander 4 месяца назад +6

    You should all wiki "Myth of the clean Wehrmacht"

    • @tiagomonteiro130
      @tiagomonteiro130 4 месяца назад

      And while he's at it debunk the myth of the inoccent clean allies, always laugh when you call yourself the good guys raping 2 Million Woman and Children.

    • @mrwhips3623
      @mrwhips3623 4 месяца назад

      Wow. Wiki, known for they're pursuit of nothing but the truth.....NOT

  • @ericdonofrio6946
    @ericdonofrio6946 3 месяца назад

    Interesting stuff and comments. I think about ancient wars with far more hand to hand combat. Brutal.

  • @patriotprepper3878
    @patriotprepper3878 4 месяца назад +2

    People say what they will do in a situation like this but honestly and frankly they do not know unless they have been in the situation. They can speculate what their reaction will be but never know 100% until they are in the situation and rounds are flying past you. I know what my reaction can and will be it is a hard thing to know that lives inside of a person and can and will change them forever. It is something I would not wish upon anyone to have to know.

  • @fuqupal
    @fuqupal 4 месяца назад +4

    War is stupid!
    We're not meant to kill our fellow man!

    • @PROVOCATEURSK
      @PROVOCATEURSK 4 месяца назад +1

      What if they are evil capitalists and democrats and don´t want to build an utopia?

  • @oni-one574
    @oni-one574 4 месяца назад +4

    Interesting video. Anecdotally, those I have talked to from Iraq were never sure if they were the ones who actually pulled the trigger as it was usually a group effort to make people stop moving. There were more than a few who were psychopaths and wanted to kill. The majority were just in a situation and didn't really care if the enemy was dead or disabled, so long as they were not able/actively shooting at them. I had listened to a rather amusing story of an American trying to get a prisoner count from the local militia, followed by a back and forth exchange of expected numbers, routinely getting smaller each time the local militia leader came back.

  • @theofficialken1755
    @theofficialken1755 4 месяца назад

    You are going to aim center mass, especially if something is coming at you quickly. Its all vitals in there. Its why SWAT stacks and breaches the way they do, a barricaded suspect can't get a fix on much and ends up shooting center mass and hopefully hitting the shield (in theory and usually in practice).

  • @ashitaka.kodama
    @ashitaka.kodama 4 месяца назад +2

    Of course, because...*checks notes*... war. It's not like it's a tickle fight.

  • @peterking8586
    @peterking8586 4 месяца назад +7

    YES!

  • @stangroomer8846
    @stangroomer8846 4 месяца назад +3

    Romanticizing your actions during such a stressful time is a safety mechanism for your psyche. Especially in western culture, where we tend to teach a defined moral, black and white instead of the gray, it truly is.

  • @fixyourgun
    @fixyourgun 4 месяца назад +1

    Read the book "on killing" by Dave grossman. He references him in the beginning. Did research and interviews on the subject. Fascinating read.

  • @nomad8473
    @nomad8473 4 месяца назад

    That plug was surreal

  • @pknuttarlott4934
    @pknuttarlott4934 4 месяца назад +5

    Soldiers training for WW1 used circular bulls eye targets for target practice. A lot of soldiers were hesitating when shooting at people. Training for WW2 used human shaped targets and was much more likely to fire at people.

  • @dikburdd2606
    @dikburdd2606 4 месяца назад +5

    As a pog vet that spent years after the military doing my job as a firefighter on army bases in Iraq, nothing I miss more than the brotherhood and experience of being in that environment with like.minded bros. I've been through dozens and dozens of idf attacks like on may 4 in taji Iraq and I miss the simple but fulfilling life I had living and working in a war zone.

    • @TheMadTavern
      @TheMadTavern 3 месяца назад +1

      I can feel this for sure, civilian life really sucks...

  • @VIPER-el3jr
    @VIPER-el3jr 4 месяца назад

    i like how it showed Kyle cocking the bolt on an M110 semi auto rifle

  • @highwind1369
    @highwind1369 3 месяца назад

    On Killing is a great read

  • @Joe-kx7bl
    @Joe-kx7bl 4 месяца назад +9

    Center mass and whatever happens …happens

  • @battlesheep2552
    @battlesheep2552 4 месяца назад +11

    It actually makes more strategic sense to wound rather than kill. A wounded soldier cannot fight, but still needs to be fed, putting strain on the enemy's logistics.

    • @matermacej3579
      @matermacej3579 4 месяца назад +4

      Most wounded soldiers return to the fight a few weeks later.

    • @tomhenry897
      @tomhenry897 4 месяца назад

      Never served have you

    • @jordanmince7613
      @jordanmince7613 4 месяца назад

      ​@@tomhenry897who cares if he has

  • @masao2922
    @masao2922 4 месяца назад +2

    I have had the pleasure of speaking to egyptian SOF operators, when they were fighting insurgents in north sinai. They shot to kill, they despised their enemy and viewed him as less than human and loved what was behind them. The insurgents infront of them had not only been the cause of the death of loved ones, but also brothers in arms and the de-stabilization of the arab world. My own father wasn't SOF nor was he infantry for that matter but he was a doctor, he was dispatched with SOF in the southern mountains and north sinai, he hates that he never killed any insurgents. His war with the idea of islamic extremism continued long after his service ended, to this day as a matter of fact. Another weird phenomenon i noticed is that our soliders never really get PTSD from killing the enemy, as the enemy is always somebody terrible

  • @hermanyanto1338
    @hermanyanto1338 4 месяца назад +1

    Sometimes the commander shut out a different instruction to fight. Like Fire at Will.

  • @theprancingprussian
    @theprancingprussian 4 месяца назад +3

    The logic of not wanting to kill in ww1 as personally my politics teacher shared kinda checks out especially when looking at the trolly problem

    • @switzerland3696
      @switzerland3696 4 месяца назад

      The problem with WWI was that there was a lack understanding of what they were fighting for. It was basically a pile of inbred elites who massed there armies in a pissing contest and fought each other out of an issue of emotional insecurity in that if they did nothing the others would attack.

    • @theprancingprussian
      @theprancingprussian 4 месяца назад

      @@switzerland3696 in many places it was a massive mess like how formal agreements ( triple alliance ) broke down and pinky promises were over delivered leading to a massive mess

    • @chemistryofquestionablequa6252
      @chemistryofquestionablequa6252 4 месяца назад +1

      Fighting a war you don’t understand against people who look like you is harder. No more brother wars.

    • @switzerland3696
      @switzerland3696 4 месяца назад

      @@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 That kind of describes Ukraine. But that is more of a proxy war where Ukraine is just providing the meat for the grinder.

  • @trainknut
    @trainknut 4 месяца назад +3

    It also heavily depends on the situation, are you shooting an enemy sleeping in his rack during a trench raid? or are you shooting an enemy bearing down on you with a bayonet at full sprint?

    • @AltIng9154
      @AltIng9154 4 месяца назад +1

      The real war veterans tell you. You don't even hear a bang and you are gone.

  • @Stojki-Bojk1
    @Stojki-Bojk1 Месяц назад

    5.56 ammo is pretty much the awnser it was not made to kill but to remove 3 soldiers out of the battle 1 that got shot and the bullet would stay inside him then 2 to carry him to saftey

  • @11481
    @11481 4 месяца назад +2

    Seems like a pretty odd question to base the video on. We certainly don't tickle the enemy.

  • @TheCosmicGuy0111
    @TheCosmicGuy0111 4 месяца назад +3

    Uh yeah?

  • @jordan-ramblinaround2323
    @jordan-ramblinaround2323 4 месяца назад +7

    Never been this early before

  • @michaelfriscia8166
    @michaelfriscia8166 4 месяца назад +2

    "do soldiers shoot to kill"?
    Of course not the object is to tickle your opponent into submission.....

  • @ElliotNess-jg8gt
    @ElliotNess-jg8gt 13 дней назад

    It’s either killed or be killed. I cannot comprehend any other mindset.

  • @Cauldronb0rn
    @Cauldronb0rn 4 месяца назад +7

    When I was in the army in 2011 we were told a few things. One was it would depend on who we were fighting. If it was a group that had no care for loss of life you would kill. If it was another nation that cared about it’s manpower you would attempt to wound when possible to not only remove that soldier but it would also take several other enemy soldiers out of the fight when they had to go get that guy out of there.

    • @tomhenry897
      @tomhenry897 4 месяца назад

      What woke unit were you in

    • @Cauldronb0rn
      @Cauldronb0rn 4 месяца назад

      It was 2011, woke wasn't a thing yet.@@tomhenry897

  • @jesseromo7646
    @jesseromo7646 4 месяца назад +3

    Yes, but no...but yes.

  • @everest9707
    @everest9707 4 месяца назад +1

    In WW2 there would have been many combatants, who had fathers and other male relatives, injured, tortured, imprisoned or killed from WW1.
    It makes a big difference when people have a personal reason to kill...

  • @thedaythatendsinY
    @thedaythatendsinY 4 месяца назад +2

    After spending 1999-2016 as a combatant with many combat deployments, I find Grossman's assertions to be an extreme characterization. At least when applied to the modern soldier.
    I don't disagree that Posturing is a thing and there's a lot more shooting that happens than accurate shooting but there's also an awful lot of dead Iraqis and afghanis 2ith bullet holes in them and I never saw in any substantive way a lack of will and intent to fight.

  • @handsomeblackman255
    @handsomeblackman255 4 месяца назад +3

    What a stupid question.