ABSOLUTE nightmare sorting out someone else's work.
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2021
- Electrician having to sort out another electricians work is not always fun but sometimes it’s has to be done.
Problem when you use cheap products outside there’s only one outcome. TRIP!!!!!
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That job is a nightmare. However much the client paid you was nowhere near enough. No wonder the original electrician wouldn't come back. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, it just isn't worth the hassle. I salute you sir.
This gardener has good electrical knowledge 👌👏
Nice video but what a depressing plastic garden
Yeah it's a beautiful garden if you like everything made out of plastic! It's AWFUL!
Never like seeing a garden with the Devils carpet instead of grass :)
aaaa I didn't even notice that it's fake grass. It's awful
Well it's not your garden if the owners like it oh well not your problem
Each to their own…. But that’s one ugly garden
"Only one thing should go under a patio..." - Fred West (no job too small, special family rates).
Best in the West.
One thing puzzles me, how did you know the fault was in the jb under the patio, especially when the other two buried joints (one resin and one gel) you found were ok?
Could the fault not have been down to the in-line connectors to the spots and the fittings themselves that were full of water?
This video has made me feel bad about all the garden lighting bodges I carried out when I was young and didn't know any better.
Compared to some of the stuff I have seen this isn't to bad (at lest they tried on this video to waterproof it and separate cables) usually it's just 1 wire that is Daisy chained of each other light fitting and incorrect type of cable used and usually no dedicated RCD
never seen so many lights in such a small garden..must turn night into day when they switch all them on
Customer should have gone with Philips Hue low voltage garden lighting, instead of all those individual cables and cheap Chinese up lighters 🤷♂️
@@johnwelsh2152 Philips hur also made in china the other ones are just built cheaper but nowadays u get dome good quality cheap lights i got few of aliexpress and they still running after 4 years
Really enjoyed this one Chris, good to see how you investigated, redesigned and fixed this one…👍
"Digging like a cat, looking for a place to have a crap!".............................that comment absolutely made my day!!! :DDDDD
monstrosity of a garden design
You went above and beyond with this one Chris. Keep the great videos coming .
Amazing patience and perseverance! Maybe it would have been better if a waterproof box was externally mounted behind each bed, less chance of water intrusion and any maintenance could easily be carried out.
this one deserves the Glamorous Life Of An Electrician title in it
Moral of this story is that water WILL ALWAYS find its way in to "sealed" boxes. I see it happen all the time, if you bury it then you have to assume water will get in over time and design a system around that assumption. Use gel or epoxy fill to prevent it as long as you can. 🤦♂️🤷♂️😁 You have to give water / condensation a way out. That is the reason in the USA its always best to consider conduit as a wet location and don't use NM-B (twin and earth there) cable inside as its not wet rated. Don't bury the junction boxes if all possible. Put them on the inside of the wall out of view above grade.
Honestly... why is NM-B with paper filler even used these days? Seems like everyone else only uses cables with a soft rubber filler. That doesn't mean the cables wont't wick up water when the ends are submerged for an extended period of time but it gives them a fighting chance to survive under normal conditions.
Amen to that. I have lost count of the number of times I have been called to these scenarios. Quite often a builder has wired brick lighting wired behind a garden bed wall using pond cable or patio lighting with buried plastic j boxes. Customer expects you to 'repair it so it doesn't trip'. I will not work on such installations and advise to disconnect and remove completely or otherwise complete replacement.
Great and persistent detective work and I hope, a very satisfied client!
That looked like a right potch! And the thorn in the head was the icing on the cake 🤣
I do industrial installations on a daily basis and 90% of the times we use armoured cable and we always use E1W Glands instead of CW and IP washer as well for outside installs 👍
Makes a lot of sense being IP66 rated,sadly many peeps don't use them.🤬
Good video Chris, making the best of a bad situation.
I'm of the opinion that garden lights should always be 12 volt selv wherever possible.. saves lots of tears if ever water gets in.
David savery only fits 12v. It’s Daft fitting mains power in the soil beds where people dig etc
“Guy doesn’t want to come back, which is fair enough”.. Oh no it aint.. if water has got into the system he has cocked up and should rectify for free. More crap from the great ivory tower electricians.
Now now... You've got to be a spread. 🤣
@@travoltasbiplane1551 Stork or Lurpak? Electricians are known for whinging, ‘ cant touch consumer unit mate till the electric board puts some nice blue and brown cables from the meter to the CU’ its not a ring main, blahhhhhh
@@timhull8664 yeah but in fairness there is a legal document we have to look forward to signing at the end of every job! So yeah we might whinge a bit but that's because most of us would quite like to stay out of prison because being softlads with screwdrivers we probably wouldn't fare too well! I think if all the other trades at to fill in as much paperwork as we do they might sympathise a bit more! If not a spread.... Plumber? 😉
@@travoltasbiplane1551 soft lads with screwdrivers… great name for a band.. but look.. some of these ppl think they wrote the IET. I see the 18th edition is all multicoloured and woke, down hill from there… 🤐
@@timhull8664 lol it's 'woker' than you realise as well... We don't say competent person anymore we say electrically skilled. Also discrimination is out in favour of selectivity. We're very pc now...
Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
I'm with David Savery on garden lights, they should be 12v.
Definiely.
That garden is as tacky as fu...... Spending a small fortune lighting shit ! Love the small prick opening ! lol
I really like finding issues like these and fixing them 👍💪💯
Top garden bashing today Chris, cheers buddy 👍👍
A very nice little different job for you ..looks like you have got it sorted .
Your shop is awesome nice touch Chris. 👍.
I had the same problem with a pub car park lights 20+ years ago. Breaker tripped intermittently. Found a galv box in a rockery in the back garden. Two light circuit cables going underground, one cable at the other end. One cable had a "nick" in the line by the swa gland and the box earth screw at the bottom was missing. Water came in through the earth screw hole and shorted the line to earth, tripped the mcb but it blew the fault clear at the same time, mcb reset all working again until more water got in. Took two days to trace the fault. Interesting but annoying. Love the vids, retired now so can enjoy the faults.
Looks a nice garden shame the poor installation let it down.
I can't work out whether I love this garden or absolutely hate it!
Great one Chris, I wish all Electricians took pride in their work👍😉
How utterly irresponsible the former electrician is to say to the customer that he doesnt want to come back. I hope he remembers that when he is fixing someone else's work. Anyway i enjoyed the vid and look forward to the next installment.
Great Video Chris!! Love seeing the dirty detail and exploring faults.. well worth it and no doubt will teach the wanna be Garden/sparks a LESSON , if they're watch this.
That pump sounding loud was because it needs more water it's running partly dry
Good video. Sometimes it's easier to dig a plant out if it's badly in the way, and replant afterwards. These plants all look fairly new with underdeveloped root systems so it wouldn't have done them any harm. Where was James today?
I’ve had those rubber flexes that were installed go to fully shorted between all cores………my garden 😩
Good work mate.
Nice one dude. Nice thorough job as always. So CJR shop is back in the title run then?
Nice vid Chris 👍 I had the same issue a while ago… those lights are trash, I replaced them with the screw top gu10’s I’ve checked 6 months later and no water or moisture getting in… much easier to changed lamp aswell
That was a great video m8..I was surprised how bad the flex connecting joints were…note to self never use them
you gained my interest subscribed will be watching future videos thank you for the content.
Chris a great video, as per usual.👏🏼 A1 for the effort on this job.👍🏼 Always looking forward to your video's buddy.😉
Are you on the pull!?
"Doesn't want to come back which is fair enough"
No its not fair enough. If the original electrician did a lousy job of waterproofing the boxes he should obviously come back and fix it or give the homeowner his money back.
Yeah, I think Chris was being diplomatic there .. lol :-D
Any electrician would have known you can use a shared neutral and how to install a gland properly. This looks suspiciously like the homeowner (or a "helpful" family member) did a bit of DIY garden electrics, didn't want to admit what they had done and then had to call out a proper electrician to fix the mess.
Incorrect I’ve seen the invoice for the works. Carried out by a local electrician.
Did you insulation test the main cable after you cut out the spike lights to see if fault went
The helicopter was looking for the landing lights you'd ripped out, glad you fixed it before someone dies 👍⚡
Why doesn't the trade adopt some industrial practices ? That black junction box is a perfect candidate for a short section of DIN rail with screw down / spring loaded terminal blocks, off which you could run as many direct cables as needed, thus eliminatin the need for boxes, buried or otherwise. IMHO that would be an elegant solution to this application.
Earned your money with that one chris🙄
What's the deal with the flexi being under the flowerbeds.... You'd think that has to be armoured too due to the pokey pokey, stabby stabby, diggy diggy nature of a flowerbed
Electrician might of thought the client needed a bit of excitement in their life or wanted to end it.
11:23 - 11:58 😂😂😂😂
Great video Chris
Guessing all of his neighbours have black out blinds.
Well I have to hand it to you Chris that was more than a nightmare.👍
In this "day & age", I thought that LV DC (12V) and BlueTooth controlled LED lighting would have been the in-thing. I shudder at the thought of so much mains AC wiring at the mercy of the weather! Surely, there must be a better, safer way of doing this? Also, thumbs up on a previous post about documentation (lack of)....... However, good job CJR Electrical.
I've never trusted IP68 connectors/junction boxes. When I have to do a field joint (low voltage signal cables) I fill the T Tube or JB with PU potting compound.
I dig the way you problem solve to unearth the root cause of the shorting lights.
Your some pup Chris. Peace and love from Belfast. Fan of the site.
Pretty dumb installing mains- rated lighting in a garden these days when there are so many low voltage SELV equivalent components now available at a little extra cost!
Couldn't agree more.
yeah and then making it worse by shallow burying flex in a flowerbed. i wouldnt have reconnected that.
The story of my life, fixing other peoples mistakes and making special tools to make life easier. I am a fitter, machinist( we call it a turner) and electrician. I have retired now so I am now trying to be a gardener.
The first problem was the lack of documentation, that would probably have saved a huge amount of stress, not sure how long you spent searching those beds but half an hour sketching a drawing would have saved a lot of stress and probably time!
you make it look so easy
Did they have a special on for lights? Seems like too many for that small garden
Garden lights, yes they are horrible. Converted the one lot to use 12V lamps only, removing all the transformers in the lights, and replacing them with some 250 and 400VA potted transformers under the patio instead, using the existing 2.5mm armoured cable to power them, as there were more than enough runs terminated there already. No more tripping after watering, and no more tripping due to gardener and spade going through cable either. Plus no more buying Spazio electronic ballasts by the box full.
Unfortunately there were still some 230VAC cable runs, powering 125W mercury vapour uplighters in the back sections, so those were still a pain to maintain, but at least you had a socket outlet to disconnect, to find the faulty cable run. At least that house is no longer my problem now, though still have some of the spare lamps, as I bought them in case lots from the lighting distributor.
AstroTurf, seriously, you have to be kidding me!!! That is a nice garden only in the delusional mind of an Essex chat. I've seen some monstrosities in my time but this one takes the biscuit. I think I'd recommend a couple of megatonnes of environmental improvement 😂😂😂
Website looks awesome 😎
I found this with some Saxby spike lights (not cheap)and it turned out to be the flex on all the lights only 3 years old apparently.
instead of lights, the garden wants redesigning as it's awful, neither one thing or another.
So when are you staring your gardening channel Chris? :)
Never 🤣
Some local street lighting project was missing Thier "squids"
I kind of felt that the JB under the patio wasn't proven to be fault? I watched the video again, and didn't see any mention of there being a problem with the socket causing tripping, just the lights. The two JBs that were found were used again and it was just the bad lights and connectors. It didn't seem like the new SWA was needed. Unless I missed somethign, I'm not an electrician.
I agree..
Tbh... the JB was under the patio and 100% inaccessible in an unknown location... whilst it could be assumed to be ok based on the gel filled wiska and torpedo its not ideal especially as to potentially access it the patio would need to be pulled up. Best bet was to just bypass it and then its never going to be an issue.
Why the previous person didn't make an attempt to consider long term maintenance and accessibility we will never know.. but just a small amount of long term thinking would have made you think to put the boxes in accessible locations (ie not under an area where a concrete and slab patio was going to be placed) even if still sub-surface.
To be honest I would rather know that the dude on the case was thorough enough to check the entire install given the issues and the fact that Chris will be putting his name on the cert at the end of it all I would have probably done the same. The last thing he wants is a call back to say there is still a problem...and even if there is any further issues the install is now accessible where it needs to be.
Fumagalli mini Tommy’s will be good for the raised beds
Good gosh I’d be tripping all over those lights on the ground!! ESP if I was drinking
Where do we stand on burying pond flex in the ground Chris? (Genuine question) I know it wasn't installed by you but in a flower bed where we know digging will be taking place I think I'd be inclined to pull it up and clip it surface down the sides above soil level.
Yeah if it’s at a certain depth then unlikely to get damaged. Just ban the client from forking the beds.
could i ask how much that job would cost doing it as a non repair job and form scratch supplying all the lights junction boxes and labour costs ?
I thought that I was watching an episode of Time Team for a while there.
Always try to run to nearest wall and mount j/b s.
First your store link does not work as nothing shows on the site.
2nd, What is the gel in the box called?
Junction boxes under the patio surely the previous spark knew that was no no
Out of sight and underground...gel filled..the only way...or up where it can be seen...
Why would you put joints underground? And why not use 12 volt?
Great video Chris! Is James ok?
Does anyone know what that Knipex stripping tool is that Chris used on the flex?
have they paved above the DPC?
Nice job 😎
As a customer, it makes me wonder who I could trust to do a job like this. The original sparky installed rubbish lights. Chinese tat probably.
If you didn’t have the whiska shark boxes for the bed light joins, how or what other product would you have used?
I’m back there soon so keep an eye out for the return visit.
do they have low voltage lighting in the u.k.?
2:21 And that's why the CEC (Canadian Electrical Code) does NOT allow junction Boxes to be hidden underground or inside walls/Ceilings/Floors...
ALL Legal Junction Boxes in Canada are accessible either by removing a switch Plate, Receptacle Plate or Device Fixture (light, fan, range hood etc.) OR by opening a hatch placed in the Wall/Ceiling/Floor specifically for that Junction Box...
The Junction Access covers can be blended into the background to make them less noticeable but they must still be easily found/opened in case of electrical fault in that circuit...
hi bud have you seen the new Wego style plug sockets MK have brought out very interesting if you want l can send a link to a vid about them if you want?
When you have an opportunity not to put cable joint under ground it makes sense to do it , as in fastening the box’s to the wall . In my experience cable joints below ground should be limited to resin industry types , on SWA cables . But yet again we see an example of someone totally out of there depth , even with a job that’s very easy to do correctly. And ironically managed to make it far more complicated in the process. Fortunately in these days of RCD protection risk of shock is not the issue it once was , but still many older properties are still without such devices . Let’s hope the person who has done this installation in the beginning limits his skills to new builds . Other wise rubber gloves when gardening might be the order of the day . Finally well done Chris for coming to the rescue and making sense of it all . I must admit I would have said sod it and ripped the lot out and started again ,but of course that would have cost far more. 😀👍👍👍
Thank you
Also would have made a boring video.
You need a James to do the digging
Wouldn't a 12V SELV system have been better for the lights than wiring everything at 230v?
In theory yes, but the downside is voltage drop, so you would need bigger cables.
@@tonipeters4543 Well, if you are going for all LED units, the existing cabling would be perfect, so long as you use a proper copper and iron core transformer, and not electronic ones. Even halogen lamps would not be a problem, that cable at 1.5mm per lamp would be fine up to 20m, even with 50W lamps, and with a 35W lamp you get 80% of the light output, but a good amount of power saving, and with a 5W LED you will not notice any difference till you have 100m of that cable, with a lamp every 3m.
Where ever possible I try to convert to 12v it's a lot safer and less hassle.
All those buried cables should be armoured not flex, which the first guy should have used, but all the garden lights you see are not designed to take one armoured let alone two .
The first guy made a mess of things, but it's not helped by about 95% of the garden lights being poorly designed.
@@acelectricalsecurity That might be,but its a lot more expensive!!!So most off the clients try with 230 volts.
@@computeraddic675 the only extra cost is a the driver, and some lamp converters which are cheap, I think most of the time it doesn't occur to the person doing the install to convert to a 12v system, that job looks like there's no thought gone into it and the person just chucked a load of cables in.
That install could have been done allowing access to all necessary joints.
Weird. All this obsession with armoured cable and then in the planters---a place where people actually dig in the earth with sharp tools---rubber suddenly is fine. What?
What is the name of that tool you use to re thread the containment lug in the metal back boxes ? Searching for one but difficult as I don’t know what it’s called
Rethread tool 3.5mm
Hi Chris, I know exactly what you mean when you lose your head on a job.
Today I was being filmed by Scolmore and was just not with it!
Seems like the original installer used kit which didn't perform as well as it claimed, ingress wise with the stake lights and barrel joints.
If I had done a job like that I would have honoured the remedial not done a runner.
Seeing what's gone wrong is part of learning so you don't repeat the mistake or know what kit to avoid.
The inaccessible joint is an unknown, can't comment on that one.
How far do you go when faced with a job like this though?
Most of the time is taken working out how the other person did it.
A good choice here of letting the testing decide the scope.
Shame those stake lights meggered flat though.
I'd have tried giving one or two of them a blast with the heat gun to dry things out, possible the moisture came up the cable from the barrel joint.
Those stake lights suffer from bad seals and also suck in water as they vent hot air in use, and then suck in water past the seals when they are off, typically up the cable gland. Nothing you can do short of having a fill of epoxy when new in the base to fill the cable entry, and lubricate the o rings at the top with silicone grease when new, and put a LED lamp in them to not have heat issues. Plus put the little drier sachet from the box in there, after warming them up in the oven for an hour at 150C to dry them. Put in a sealed jar after so they do not suck up moisture, and only put in when you are about to seal the fitting.
Liked this one. First spark did a fair job but shame he buried everything. If he'd just mounted boxes and joints to back of that wall it would've been such an easier job. Never bury boxes. Gelled or not.
I am not sure he did that good a job, flex buried, which should be swa, that resin joint which is designed for two cables yet looked like an octopus.
There's a wall all the boxes could have been fixed to and none of that rubbish he has done would be necessary, I am with you I don't like buried joint boxes, I don't mind resin joints when done correctly, but some of the stuff that guy done was crazy.
@@acelectricalsecurity I think H07RN-F rubber flex can safely be buried as far as the insulation is concerned, obviously doesn't provide the mechanical protection an SWA has.
He ignored the "waterproofable" screw holes on that first electrical socket. just drilling through and not sealing.
It's that sort of thing that makes me want to DIY
@@jocramkrispy305 I'd think those pre-punched holes are for maintaining double insulation rather than waterproofing.
@@Ragnar8504 The instructions say "Fit supplied bungs over all used fixing screw positions to seal aperture recessess"
I'm new to ur vlogg..I liked d terminal with gel..u not video this..d connection..also d six lines..where d other lines goes..I'm elec.too..but I'm a former teacher..keep safe
What a nightmare of a job.
I guessed that you might fit junction boxes on the inside wall, and you did :-D
Water will get anywhere if allowed, junctions under ground sound like a horrible idea.
The man that made that mess was an idiot, in my opinion.
Defo a garden that is like Blackpool ( with all those lights)…