how's that unethical and unsportsmanlike? are 1500m runners all unsportsmanlike because they intentionally run slower. how dare they not to try giving their all to take the lead from the beginning.
+howo357 - Not the same thing, to run slower in a race you're not only conserving energy but being tactically astute, the difference here is that they're essentially "scared" of whom they may face in the next round, if they can't beat whomever they face they don't deserve a medal, simple as that!
+TheTradge so those runners are scared that they wouldnt have enough energy to beat others who have energy at the end? its exactly the same thing. the runners finish the first and second get gold and silver. the badminton teams finish in the finals get gold and silver. that's their tactic just like runners tactics during the run.
@@howo357 I'm sorry but you lack common sense.. Your example is plain stupid. let us consider 1500m run, a "match" so that you can understand. Those runners are conserving their energy in the BEGINNING OF THE MATCH so the they can WIN at the end of the match. While here these kids were trying to LOSE A MATCH so that they get easier opponent in the NEXT MATCH.! You can't compare both the situations smart ass.!
The draw system was outrageous. BWf (Badminton World Federation) strongly advised the Olympic committee against it. It is not the athletes fault at all, they want to win. And were doing what made that easier. No other tournament apart from the 2012 Olympics has that system, and no other tournament does. @@koolk8077
@@thatskyguy1266 They all have a chance since they qualified for Olympics. Upsets are inevitable so a top player must go all out everytime and not just because they have a better chance by throwing games
Pac Dmx they train their asses their whole life for this 4 year only event olympic. Olympic medals mean everything to athletes. If the system is suck, 1 stupid mtch to get gold is nothing i'd say Badminton is not like swimming, you can join 8 meets and get at least 1 gold. In badminton, you lose 1 game, c u in 4 years bruh, if youre still qualified btw.
You think they train 4 years for this one event when in fact they earn their money and esteem from an international circuit off events the Olympics Is just a cherry on the cake of a career some players would not even miss it.
@@TheVinPac yeah and I'm sure the athletes who train their whole lives for that moment understand that but it is not their fault that they have to make a decision between winning and their passion/dignity for their spot. The committee who made those rules forced their hands, it was 100% their fault, not the athletes.
did I just read ''just a Cherry on the cake of career" thank God I'm not an athlete. But that part still sound so Rude to me, like you never get or care enough, how much olympic gold medal really means to any athlete in this world 🙈
Do we ban pitchers for intentionally walking a hitter with runners on 2nd and 3rd? Do we ban a team when their qb takes a knee at the end of a game? Do we ban a team for intentionally fouling in basketball at the end of a game so they can get the ball back? These players are giving themselves the best chance to win the gold. If organizers don't want this happening, do a better job of seeding the players. These players didn't come to the olympics to lose, they just didn't want to play a tougher match in the second round. How does it make any sense that you play an easier match if you lose?
Davy Lau uh... maybe just come up with a new system where this kind of thing doesn’t happen?? The only way to make it fair is when people trying their hardest is to the best of their interest and this clearly was not. Would you work more hours if it meant you will actually get paid less? I don’t know if you’re just stupid or blind. You can’t be serious at blaming them. If you are then I don’t know what to say. It’s obviously the Olympic committee and the system that wronged all of these players from all of these countries and you have the audacity to stand on your high ground and say “uh just play your hardest”.
In each case you mention the acts are tactical in order to enhance the chance to win the match/game. In this case they were trying to loose the match. You can argue the point of them wanting to win the tournament so it's the same but there is a distinction. With the former if you succeed no loss gets recorded when all is done and said because you are aiming to win. Throwing a whole game is not tactical its dishonest.
@ Tj McKenzie , you are comparing international sports to American games. Generally different thing really. American sports are hugely tactical but not very sportsmanlike with professional fouling etcetra a part of the game. The code of ethics and conduct in many sports prohibits this. Each sport has its envelope and in this case they overstepped the boundries.
Couldn't agree more. Don't just blame the athletes on this case. Especially when olympic only held once every 4 years. You have to be smart to get the gold medal.
I think it's the tournament organizers fault. In many other tournaments they have solved this problem by using different bracket system: If you win your bracket you will face the loser of the other bracket in the next round. That way you always benefit from winning.
***** Players want medals. That's what secures their longevity as a Olympic athlete, whether its funding or whether they get picked to play in the next games. Players fight to get 1% edge on their opponents wherever they can, this is a similar situation. I'm not saying it's not dishonorable to deliberately lose, of course it is. But they should avoid putting them in that situation in my opinion.
"Devotion is second only to soccer and cricket" Has the guy not heard of rugby? Tennis? Or, frankly, any other sport? Badminton probably wouldn't make the top ten sports in the UK...
Clever? I don't think so. It was blatant. They didn't even try to hide it. They must have known what would happen, surely. This is the Olympics, not some Sunday league amateur game. They must have known they wouldn't get away with this.
@@SMSJSC it was a strategy, so it was smart actually. if you lose you can get better chance for higher medal, why did you still need to win at this round, right? hehe
ABC news didnt report a full story here. asian players threw up their game as a strategy. the rules go like this, for round 1, #1vs#2, #3vs#4, #5vs#6, #7vs#8. In semifinal, 1v3, 5v7. In the end, 1v5 for gold, 3v7 for bronze. The rule is utterly unfair to strong players no. 2, 3, 4...They actually do it all the time but never got disqualified before. Who benefits from this? the weaker european teams, that's why the gold medal match of 1vs5 is not as exciting as the semi-final where 1vs3.
I am an Indonesian citizen. First, what really happened to the team from our country in the All England 2021 tournament? is it true that the BWF has been discriminatory? WBF should be responsible about this matter...
So to those criticising the badminton players, what have you got to say about the British cyclist who admitted to deliberately crashing in order to obtain a restart (after they got off to a bad start in the race)? They went on the win gold.
They were doing what they were doing to win, nothing unethical about it. Olympics: "do this to win." Players: "ok" Olympic "your unethical to do what I just said you needed to do to win." Fucking horseshit!
Two reasons. First, it gives them a more favorable match-up during the eliminations rounds. The first rounds of play are round-robin and are not elimination. They were trying to set up a match that would benefit them in the following rounds. Second, it's not uncommon for athletes to "coast" during early rounds to save their strength and evergy for the elimination rounds so they can play better during at that time.
Not sure what you mean by that in the context of what I posted before, all I said basically is that if you gonna throw a match, make sure it STILL LOOKS LIKE you're trying to win, otherwise it aint gonna work.
You can tell abc is biased. If you watch the entire recorded match, its pretty obvious that south korea started losing on purpose first. The the Chinese team followed them.
+ROFLcopter I don't care who started it, whether it was china or korea that's a child's excuse. Just because somebody else starts doing something wrong doesn't mean you do too, especially after you've received a warning. That goes for both sides, whoever started it. It's right they all got disqualified.
The rules are stupid, the players are trying to win, but they are trying to win the tournament not the match. Don't blame the athletes who put their sweat and tears in training their entire life just be made to lose because of some stupid committee who do not have any common sense. If you reward losing, people are going to try to lose, simple as that, if they do not want that, then make it so that losing isn't beneficial to the players. No one likes to lose if they have a choice.
Except bunting is legal under baseball rules, while throwing a match is ILLEGAL UNDER BADMINTON RULES, and therefore cheating. I get that this distinction is pretty hard to grasp, but give it a go. Here's how it works: Illegal under rules? Cheating. Legal under rules? Not cheating.
These players took the oath before the games began that they would perform to the best of their abilities, what they did is not only extremely disrespectful to both the sport and it's spectators, but it goes against everything the Olympic games stand for!
oath? when and where? I oath is to give themselves the best chance to win and that's what these team did. if anything this is on IOC but as always they are never wrong. if 1500m runners take an oath that they would run their fastest and not strategically fall behind at the beginning, maybe all of them should be disqualified according to IOC rule, except for that dumb ass who likes to dash to the lead on first lap.
+howo357 - It also mentions "in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory and honour of my team", and there is NO honour in trying to weasel their way into an easier draw for a subsequent round, not only that but it's also very poor sportsmanship to do so! Most importantly though, the people in the stadium for the most part will have paid good money and travelled a long way to be there, the fact that these "athletes" decided it was a good idea to play like wusses because they were "scared" of facing a particular opponent in the next round is extremely disrespectful to the fans and the sport! If you want to be the best you have to beat the best, and it's likely they would have run into these "scary opponents" during the tournament anyway!
+TheTradge again they strategically give themselves better chance to win gold. that's not unethical or dishonored. just answer this. are long distance runners dishonored? are cyclists from the same team help each other blocking other cyclists dishonored? the Chinese team threw the match so they don't have to face their own teammates, the other Chinese team, until final. they could have got both gold and silver but people like you equate smart strategy to being unethical. if I were a fan, I'd appreciate they use their brain to try their best to win. not just being a dumb ass.
The draw system was outrageous. BWf (Badminton World Federation) strongly advised the Olympic committee against it. It is not the athletes fault at all, they want to win. And were doing what made that easier. No other tournament apart from the 2012 Olympics has that system, and no other tournament does. One of the dqs ended up winning gold at Tokyo.
Haha... China is an expert at cheating... It got 2 Korean teams ejected and only 1 of its team ejected. Eventually, another Chinese team won the gold medal in this event!
vwazp Cheating is cheating. What I said stand. Korean teams thought they were so smart by copying what the Chinese teams did and ended up having both teams ejected. Who's smarter?
yackawaytube the point is the regulations is stupid. both teams were giving themselves a better chance at winning the whole tournament, not just a single match. By losing, they can get an easier team. That is in the spirit of the game. It's just retarded people who can't turn a corner in their thinking that are turning this into some "cheating" scandal.
vwazp Dude, I know the background. The format was stupid (it was changed to this stupid format in this Olympics). My point is China was very good to take advantage of the system and managed to get both teams of their arch-rival, South Korea, eliminated. How's that not expert in cheating???
The thing is, South Korea would not have been eliminated had they tried to play properly. They, too, were trying to throw the match away. Copying others is no excuse. So it wasn't China who got them kicked out; It was themselves.
+yackawaytube you can say China play dirty or taking advantage of the system. but cheating? if their strategy was to get both Korean teams out, I say kudos to them and one hell of gutsy and smart move. Korean teams still had to take the bait. and they did. I don't agree this is unsportsmanlike but whatever it was, Korean did it to themselves.
the statement about every town in Britain having a club, and devotion is second only to soccer and cricket at 1:45 is just nonsense, most of us Brits like badminton purely because we get to say "shuttlecock"
Not sure what you're talking about, I made absolutely no mention of the 16 year old swimmer. I was referring to 2008 olympics when they had to give their gymnastic medal back because they were using underage competitors. Not to mention almost their entire long distant running team were barred because they tested positive for banned substances. The list goes on. Try fitting that into your head.
"In Britain, devotion is second only to soccer and cricket." This is simply not true. I am English and have lived in London all my life. There are many sports that are more popular than badminton. Tennis, Rugby, Rowing and Cycling to name but a few. Badminton is not a big sport over here.
Interesting that the organisers plan for the top 2 seeds to play each other at the semi, rather than the final. I think this unusual draw is called the organisers trying to help their own country's weaker team to win a medal, and is not called cheating by UK standards! And when the 2nd seed finds a way to face the 1st seed at the final, is called match fixing. Damn you Asians are too smart, let me now disqualify you!
During Woman's swimming, the TV commentators congratulated one swimmer for "swimming slow enough" to get the lane she wanted in the next race. Soooo, what is the difference? Why is it congratulated when a swimmer does it?
The Chinese girl was great and deserved her gold, while these badminton players were absolutely in the wrong and deserved to be disqualified. There is a difference.
In the UK, "Badminton is second only to soccer and cricket"? Don't tell me reporters are allowed to make up wobbly facts like this and stick it in their news story? Jeez.
And I will leave you with this. The referee came out and told them they would be ejected from the tournament if they continued to waste everyone's time. At that point, would you rather play your friends for a shot at the podium? Or would you rather not play at all and be the definition of poor sportsmanship?
didnt realise this was a matter of "you" against "me", but i guess people get weird online. If "you" are so good at badminton, why are you so worried of playing a better opponent in the next round? if you are as amazing as you make out. just a point.
This is ridiculous. You create a format in an ultra competitive environment where there's an incentive to drop matchs, the players, naturally, try to maximize their winning chances by dropping a match, and then you cry foul and disqualify the players. It's your god damned fault. You should have created a better format.
This is just not in the spirit of the Olympics. This is pretty clearly intentionally throwing the match, no question. If you're in the Olympics, play like it.
I love how because this is London 2012 Britain automatically get judged for anything that goes on during the games. China, South Korea and Indonesia are punished for match-fixing and somehow Britain are dragged into it? It's got nothing to do with Britain.
Uh, actually, that isn't THAT bad. I'm not condoning cheating, but you just came up with eight people over the course of three and a half decades, in five different sports, and never twice in a row. I also find it hard to believe that the US media wouldn't report this kinda stuff, seeing as how we loooove gossip.
i've seen a lot of these comments, and most of them aren't like that? most of them are just arguing over if it was okay for them to be disqualified or not. but they broke the rules, so obviously it was the right choice.
"In organised sports, match fixing or sports fixing occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result, violating the rules of the game and often the law."
Do you not know what "subjective" means, then? They're very clear rules that make a lot of sense, and if you're going to be charged with it, it'll be obvious that you're not trying. That's not subjective. No, it really does hurt the integrity of the game: didn't you see all the people in the comments dissing badminton as "not a sport" because of this? People/judges/other players want them to actually PLAY, not pussy around because they're cowards. You should construct your point better, then.
Racquetball is actually faster in terms of ball speed versus shuttle speed... nothing against badminton, but it'd be nice to see people get their facts straight.
Yes, but the difference is those runners are actually putting effort into the race and are moving forward. When two teams are both aiming to lose, that match goes nowhere, nobody advances, and it's a complete waste of everybody's time. It makes even having the match entirely pointless. In the opening ceremony, all the athletes made a promise to attempt their best at all times and to do it for the love of the sports. Not to mention what kind of example it sets for young viewers.
By the way! "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part; the essential thing in life is not conquering but fighting well." Pierre De Coubertin Founder of the modern Olympic Games
"second only to cricket and soccer" ... uh, what? Tennis, rugby, boxing? Badminton is a brilliant sport and we do love it but it's nowhere near that popular lol.
No, it was quoted directly from the official badminton rules, right from the Badminton World Federation. If things had changed, they wouldn't have been disqualified on that very charge -- “not using one’s best efforts to win a match” as well as “conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport.” That's straight from the officials, not me, so they clearly broke the rules.
It's a little bit more complicated than that in this case. A few of these countries had two pairs competing. They don't want a tournament schedule draw that would match their own country's players early on which would knock one of them out of a medal chance.
No, your analogy was rather simple, it just wouldn't apply in our universe. There's no way you can compare a match of badminton to a test. They just aren't fucking similar enough. You said "deliberately failing, but still get an A+" which is a ridiculous assertion. Anyone who tries to "deliberately fail" a test is not going to get an A+. People who study hard, but not too hard, will get better grades. Bombing a match of badminton to stack your teams in the olympics just shows poor sportsmanship.
To qualify for a heat you still have to *win*, regardless of how much you are holding back, there's a huge difference between holding back to preserve energy and losing on purpose to match-fix weaker opponents in the upcoming rounds, it's not like they weren't warned.
Also, if you go to 5.1, it says "In addition, if a player has at any time behaved in a manner severely damaging to the reputation of the sport, that player may be deemed by virtue of such behaviour to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the game of Badminton." If you take a look at all these people who are dissing badminton as "not being a sport", it's clearly made a bad impact on the sport's reputation, since this got a lot of publicity.
No. They tried to avoid #1 seed vs #2 seed in the first round elimination, which london rule designed to promote bottom team to seize silver and bronze. #1 and the last seed should meet in the first round elimination according to fair rules used in golf, nba, baseball, american football, soccer, tennis, chess, and every other sports.
1. The Badminton Laws that you are referring are used for the traditional Elimination Games; however, in this 2012 London Olympic, they didn't use the elimination system for badminton games. 2. The purposes of playing are to prove one's value, to win the gold medal, not for exhibition. This is not NBA all star! Therefore, anything they do, within the rules, should be considered as an effort to win the final battle.
Sounds more like a problem with the competition format than the players. If they are punished for winning (given stronger opponents), why would they want to win?
It was initially only the Chinese team trying to lose. I honestly don't know why South Korea followed suit, but then the other two pairs did as well, so it just became a farcical. The fact that they were all doing it just made it really unfortunate, it didn't change their intentions.
Stupid system, stupid decision. Of course players will make strategic decisions, to advance as far as they can. There is nothing wrong with that. Annoying to watch, of course, especially if you have paid a lot of money for your tickets. But players are not to blame here, the stupidly-constructed bracket system is.
Grammar? First, you don't need a comma between grammar and because. The causal clause is not an introductory clause. Second, you left out a comma after "if you like China so much." Introductory adverbial clauses require commas.
The organizers have FAILED by designing a group play where the players can have a better chance at the medals by loosing. The players have prepared for this for years and come to the Olympics to fight for medals and these fights are usually entertaining to watch. It is not the responsibility of the players to entertain, they come to win the medals and that is exactly what they did. To blame and expel the players while the responsible organizers go free is a complete disgrace for the Olympics.
All the athletes are aware of their own sport's rules. Besides, the ref came down and informed them in the middle of the match that they were breaking the rules, so they really don't have an excuse. And if they didn't speak enough English to understand him, then that's their own fault: not because everyone should know English, but because they should ABSOLUTELY care about what the ref has to say, if it's important enough for him to come down and talk directly to them. That just makes it worse.
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"second to only soccer and cricket" -- that would make badminton THIRD
Badminton is not even close to being the third most popular sport in the UK.
Adam Hodgkinson agreed, rugby alone has practically cult following over here, and we also get very wound up over Wimbledon when that comes around!
@@emlrob337 yeah, i thought uk news was bad. in america it seems they just make things up to sound more exciting.
@@emlrob337 A cult following in a few small towns. Rugby is dead in most of England and Scotland. Tiny crowds and small TV viewing figures.
@@emlrob337 Rugby is only popular in private schools, as is cricket. Football is all most people care about
unethical and unsportsmanlike? Yes. Cheating? Definitely not. The system is messed up
how's that unethical and unsportsmanlike? are 1500m runners all unsportsmanlike because they intentionally run slower. how dare they not to try giving their all to take the lead from the beginning.
+howo357 - Not the same thing, to run slower in a race you're not only conserving energy but being tactically astute, the difference here is that they're essentially "scared" of whom they may face in the next round, if they can't beat whomever they face they don't deserve a medal, simple as that!
+TheTradge so those runners are scared that they wouldnt have enough energy to beat others who have energy at the end? its exactly the same thing. the runners finish the first and second get gold and silver. the badminton teams finish in the finals get gold and silver. that's their tactic just like runners tactics during the run.
@@howo357 Hey Dumbo
@@howo357 I'm sorry but you lack common sense.. Your example is plain stupid. let us consider 1500m run, a "match" so that you can understand. Those runners are conserving their energy in the BEGINNING OF THE MATCH so the they can WIN at the end of the match. While here these kids were trying to LOSE A MATCH so that they get easier opponent in the NEXT MATCH.!
You can't compare both the situations smart ass.!
And now 2021, Greysia Polii won the gold medal in Tokyo2020! What a revenge!
Wkwk
That doesn't hide her misdeed and bad intention in London
@@koolk8077 true
Revenge? It was her own fault.
The draw system was outrageous. BWf (Badminton World Federation) strongly advised the Olympic committee against it. It is not the athletes fault at all, they want to win. And were doing what made that easier. No other tournament apart from the 2012 Olympics has that system, and no other tournament does.
@@koolk8077
And now one of them has won gold. What a redemption story
That's why in a tournament mode, it must be an elimination match everytime. That's a big incentive to win any match.
No, that is probably worse for those who actually have a chance
@@thatskyguy1266 They all have a chance since they qualified for Olympics. Upsets are inevitable so a top player must go all out everytime and not just because they have a better chance by throwing games
Why not just hold the last two group stage matches simultaneously like in football?
The problem is the system, why we must win if we lose could get a medal
win the medal and lost their honor,respect,dignity and passion of the sport
Pac Dmx they train their asses their whole life for this 4 year only event olympic. Olympic medals mean everything to athletes. If the system is suck, 1 stupid mtch to get gold is nothing i'd say
Badminton is not like swimming, you can join 8 meets and get at least 1 gold. In badminton, you lose 1 game, c u in 4 years bruh, if youre still qualified btw.
You think they train 4 years for this one event when in fact they earn their money and esteem from an international circuit off events the Olympics Is just a cherry on the cake of a career some players would not even miss it.
@@TheVinPac yeah and I'm sure the athletes who train their whole lives for that moment understand that but it is not their fault that they have to make a decision between winning and their passion/dignity for their spot. The committee who made those rules forced their hands, it was 100% their fault, not the athletes.
did I just read ''just a Cherry on the cake of career" thank God I'm not an athlete. But that part still sound so Rude to me, like you never get or care enough, how much olympic gold medal really means to any athlete in this world 🙈
Do we ban pitchers for intentionally walking a hitter with runners on 2nd and 3rd? Do we ban a team when their qb takes a knee at the end of a game? Do we ban a team for intentionally fouling in basketball at the end of a game so they can get the ball back?
These players are giving themselves the best chance to win the gold. If organizers don't want this happening, do a better job of seeding the players. These players didn't come to the olympics to lose, they just didn't want to play a tougher match in the second round. How does it make any sense that you play an easier match if you lose?
Davy Lau uh... maybe just come up with a new system where this kind of thing doesn’t happen?? The only way to make it fair is when people trying their hardest is to the best of their interest and this clearly was not. Would you work more hours if it meant you will actually get paid less? I don’t know if you’re just stupid or blind.
You can’t be serious at blaming them. If you are then I don’t know what to say. It’s obviously the Olympic committee and the system that wronged all of these players from all of these countries and you have the audacity to stand on your high ground and say “uh just play your hardest”.
In each case you mention the acts are tactical in order to enhance the chance to win the match/game. In this case they were trying to loose the match. You can argue the point of them wanting to win the tournament so it's the same but there is a distinction. With the former if you succeed no loss gets recorded when all is done and said because you are aiming to win. Throwing a whole game is not tactical its dishonest.
@ Tj McKenzie , you are comparing international sports to American games. Generally different thing really. American sports are hugely tactical but not very sportsmanlike with professional fouling etcetra a part of the game. The code of ethics and conduct in many sports prohibits this. Each sport has its envelope and in this case they overstepped the boundries.
@@masterq2.033 But then BWF changed their system so they are admitting it is their fault for not foresawing this possibility.
Couldn't agree more. Don't just blame the athletes on this case. Especially when olympic only held once every 4 years. You have to be smart to get the gold medal.
I think it's the tournament organizers fault. In many other tournaments they have solved this problem by using different bracket system: If you win your bracket you will face the loser of the other bracket in the next round. That way you always benefit from winning.
The Round robin format is to blame, not the players.
Explain why.
***** Players want medals. That's what secures their longevity as a Olympic athlete, whether its funding or whether they get picked to play in the next games. Players fight to get 1% edge on their opponents wherever they can, this is a similar situation.
I'm not saying it's not dishonorable to deliberately lose, of course it is. But they should avoid putting them in that situation in my opinion.
***** agreed
They were told halfway thru match... to play with 100% effort.
They ignored official.
Bye bye!
win the medal and lost their honor,respect,dignity,pride and passion of the sport
"Devotion is second only to soccer and cricket" Has the guy not heard of rugby? Tennis? Or, frankly, any other sport? Badminton probably wouldn't make the top ten sports in the UK...
Who cares about UK
Devotion is not popularity.
I remembered when my family & I were watching it, I was like: "ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Even my school could do better than that."
what they did was just clever, the problem is the system
or the people who are willing to exploit the system
Not too clever, they got kicked out
Clever? I don't think so. It was blatant. They didn't even try to hide it. They must have known what would happen, surely. This is the Olympics, not some Sunday league amateur game. They must have known they wouldn't get away with this.
@@SMSJSC it was a strategy, so it was smart actually. if you lose you can get better chance for higher medal, why did you still need to win at this round, right? hehe
@@xboys10p and how did that work out for them? "HeHe"
"In Britain, every town has a club" HAHAHAHA good one. We also have tea on tap.
Why? What a terrible article. You didn’t even answer why they were tanking
And now olympic tokyo 2021, greysia polii wining gold medal
ABC news didnt report a full story here. asian players threw up their game as a strategy. the rules go like this, for round 1, #1vs#2, #3vs#4, #5vs#6, #7vs#8. In semifinal, 1v3, 5v7. In the end, 1v5 for gold, 3v7 for bronze. The rule is utterly unfair to strong players no. 2, 3, 4...They actually do it all the time but never got disqualified before. Who benefits from this? the weaker european teams, that's why the gold medal match of 1vs5 is not as exciting as the semi-final where 1vs3.
WHat are you talkinga bout
I am an Indonesian citizen. First, what really happened to the team from our country in the All England 2021 tournament? is it true that the BWF has been discriminatory? WBF should be responsible about this matter...
Consider this is a payback
So to those criticising the badminton players, what have you got to say about the British cyclist who admitted to deliberately crashing in order to obtain a restart (after they got off to a bad start in the race)? They went on the win gold.
"If we dont do it, the opponents will do it" Dont blame the players!
They were doing what they were doing to win, nothing unethical about it. Olympics: "do this to win." Players: "ok" Olympic "your unethical to do what I just said you needed to do to win." Fucking horseshit!
Two reasons. First, it gives them a more favorable match-up during the eliminations rounds. The first rounds of play are round-robin and are not elimination. They were trying to set up a match that would benefit them in the following rounds. Second, it's not uncommon for athletes to "coast" during early rounds to save their strength and evergy for the elimination rounds so they can play better during at that time.
what kind of format gives you easier opponents, when you lose? the tourney organizers must have seriously fucked up to incentevise this
ofc they first blame the chinese and barely mentions the koreans
Not sure what you mean by that in the context of what I posted before, all I said basically is that if you gonna throw a match, make sure it STILL LOOKS LIKE you're trying to win, otherwise it aint gonna work.
You can tell abc is biased. If you watch the entire recorded match, its pretty obvious that south korea started losing on purpose first. The the Chinese team followed them.
Get your eyes checked and watch it again.
+ROFLcopter I don't care who started it, whether it was china or korea that's a child's excuse. Just because somebody else starts doing something wrong doesn't mean you do too, especially after you've received a warning. That goes for both sides, whoever started it. It's right they all got disqualified.
abc is biased lol even it doesnt matter who started it, they both did it. But they barely mentioned the koreans
I appreciate her analysis.
Korea at it again .
Thank you. Finally some video of this..
Second to only soccer and cricket lol. That's not true.
The rules are stupid, the players are trying to win, but they are trying to win the tournament not the match. Don't blame the athletes who put their sweat and tears in training their entire life just be made to lose because of some stupid committee who do not have any common sense. If you reward losing, people are going to try to lose, simple as that, if they do not want that, then make it so that losing isn't beneficial to the players. No one likes to lose if they have a choice.
I'd like to see more tho! :o) It must have been hilarious...unless you bought a ticket to the game.
Except bunting is legal under baseball rules, while throwing a match is ILLEGAL UNDER BADMINTON RULES, and therefore cheating. I get that this distinction is pretty hard to grasp, but give it a go. Here's how it works: Illegal under rules? Cheating. Legal under rules? Not cheating.
These players took the oath before the games began that they would perform to the best of their abilities, what they did is not only extremely disrespectful to both the sport and it's spectators, but it goes against everything the Olympic games stand for!
The only thing that matters at the Olympics is the Gold and this gives them the best chance, That's why it's mostly professionals now!
Lee DHendon Are you telling me you actually condone the behaviour of these players?!
oath? when and where? I oath is to give themselves the best chance to win and that's what these team did. if anything this is on IOC but as always they are never wrong. if 1500m runners take an oath that they would run their fastest and not strategically fall behind at the beginning, maybe all of them should be disqualified according to IOC rule, except for that dumb ass who likes to dash to the lead on first lap.
+howo357 - It also mentions "in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory and honour of my team", and there is NO honour in trying to weasel their way into an easier draw for a subsequent round, not only that but it's also very poor sportsmanship to do so! Most importantly though, the people in the stadium for the most part will have paid good money and travelled a long way to be there, the fact that these "athletes" decided it was a good idea to play like wusses because they were "scared" of facing a particular opponent in the next round is extremely disrespectful to the fans and the sport! If you want to be the best you have to beat the best, and it's likely they would have run into these "scary opponents" during the tournament anyway!
+TheTradge again they strategically give themselves better chance to win gold. that's not unethical or dishonored. just answer this. are long distance runners dishonored? are cyclists from the same team help each other blocking other cyclists dishonored? the Chinese team threw the match so they don't have to face their own teammates, the other Chinese team, until final. they could have got both gold and silver but people like you equate smart strategy to being unethical. if I were a fan, I'd appreciate they use their brain to try their best to win. not just being a dumb ass.
The worst history of Indonesia's badminton in Olympic.
Yea good thing that is not allowed anymore. This is pathetic. They play without honor.
The draw system was outrageous. BWf (Badminton World Federation) strongly advised the Olympic committee against it. It is not the athletes fault at all, they want to win. And were doing what made that easier. No other tournament apart from the 2012 Olympics has that system, and no other tournament does. One of the dqs ended up winning gold at Tokyo.
And, now she won gold medal...
Haha... China is an expert at cheating... It got 2 Korean teams ejected and only 1 of its team ejected. Eventually, another Chinese team won the gold medal in this event!
vwazp Cheating is cheating. What I said stand. Korean teams thought they were so smart by copying what the Chinese teams did and ended up having both teams ejected. Who's smarter?
yackawaytube the point is the regulations is stupid. both teams were giving themselves a better chance at winning the whole tournament, not just a single match. By losing, they can get an easier team. That is in the spirit of the game. It's just retarded people who can't turn a corner in their thinking that are turning this into some "cheating" scandal.
vwazp Dude, I know the background. The format was stupid (it was changed to this stupid format in this Olympics). My point is China was very good to take advantage of the system and managed to get both teams of their arch-rival, South Korea, eliminated. How's that not expert in cheating???
The thing is, South Korea would not have been eliminated had they tried to play properly. They, too, were trying to throw the match away. Copying others is no excuse. So it wasn't China who got them kicked out; It was themselves.
+yackawaytube you can say China play dirty or taking advantage of the system. but cheating? if their strategy was to get both Korean teams out, I say kudos to them and one hell of gutsy and smart move. Korean teams still had to take the bait. and they did. I don't agree this is unsportsmanlike but whatever it was, Korean did it to themselves.
abc news has the most uploaded videos i have ever seen
Here after their first gold medal
the statement about every town in Britain having a club, and devotion is second only to soccer and cricket at 1:45 is just nonsense, most of us Brits like badminton purely because we get to say "shuttlecock"
its not their problem if ur system is shit
"Is considering giving them refunds"
It's 2021, I bet they still havent gotten refunded.
I swear the Chinese did it cos they didn't want to evade hard team, they did it so that both chinese team has a chance to get into the medals.
Not sure what you're talking about, I made absolutely no mention of the 16 year old swimmer. I was referring to 2008 olympics when they had to give their gymnastic medal back because they were using underage competitors. Not to mention almost their entire long distant running team were barred because they tested positive for banned substances. The list goes on. Try fitting that into your head.
would you mind quoting the rule again or linking the official handbook?
Badminton is as much as a sport as baseball, football, tennis, basketball, volleyball and so on. It's most definitely a sport
Did she just refer to Badminton players as Elite Athletes? Seriously?
"In Britain, devotion is second only to soccer and cricket." This is simply not true. I am English and have lived in London all my life. There are many sports that are more popular than badminton. Tennis, Rugby, Rowing and Cycling to name but a few. Badminton is not a big sport over here.
Interesting that the organisers plan for the top 2 seeds to play each other at the semi, rather than the final. I think this unusual draw is called the organisers trying to help their own country's weaker team to win a medal, and is not called cheating by UK standards! And when the 2nd seed finds a way to face the 1st seed at the final, is called match fixing. Damn you Asians are too smart, let me now disqualify you!
It has nothing to do with race. The cyclist didn't break any rules, while the badminton players did.
During Woman's swimming, the TV commentators congratulated one swimmer for "swimming slow enough" to get the lane she wanted in the next race. Soooo, what is the difference? Why is it congratulated when a swimmer does it?
This isn't fair, but there isn't a rule which makes it illegal. They shouldn't be disqualified.
The Chinese girl was great and deserved her gold, while these badminton players were absolutely in the wrong and deserved to be disqualified. There is a difference.
Isn't it sad that so many believe that their behaviour reflects on the sport instead of just them?
In the UK, "Badminton is second only to soccer and cricket"?
Don't tell me reporters are allowed to make up wobbly facts like this and stick it in their news story? Jeez.
disqualification for playing like trash is the dumbest thing ive ever heard lmao
And I will leave you with this. The referee came out and told them they would be ejected from the tournament if they continued to waste everyone's time. At that point, would you rather play your friends for a shot at the podium? Or would you rather not play at all and be the definition of poor sportsmanship?
didnt realise this was a matter of "you" against "me", but i guess people get weird online. If "you" are so good at badminton, why are you so worried of playing a better opponent in the next round? if you are as amazing as you make out. just a point.
"Many people in the US." How long did it take you to survey hundreds of thousands of Americans to figure that out?
This is ridiculous. You create a format in an ultra competitive environment where there's an incentive to drop matchs, the players, naturally, try to maximize their winning chances by dropping a match, and then you cry foul and disqualify the players. It's your god damned fault. You should have created a better format.
This is just not in the spirit of the Olympics. This is pretty clearly intentionally throwing the match, no question. If you're in the Olympics, play like it.
I love how because this is London 2012 Britain automatically get judged for anything that goes on during the games. China, South Korea and Indonesia are punished for match-fixing and somehow Britain are dragged into it? It's got nothing to do with Britain.
a new rule, if the athletes werent allowed to face their own country none of this wouldve happened
Uh, actually, that isn't THAT bad. I'm not condoning cheating, but you just came up with eight people over the course of three and a half decades, in five different sports, and never twice in a row. I also find it hard to believe that the US media wouldn't report this kinda stuff, seeing as how we loooove gossip.
It's a lack of sportsmanship, and it's abusing the system.
but yeah, you should stick to infomercials, i don't think this is right for you.
are you kidding? Have you not watched a decent game of badminton before. It's one of the most physically demanding sports in the world.
i've seen a lot of these comments, and most of them aren't like that? most of them are just arguing over if it was okay for them to be disqualified or not.
but they broke the rules, so obviously it was the right choice.
What was wrong with that? They weren't breaking the rules, quality is subjective and so unenforceable.
"In organised sports, match fixing or sports fixing occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result, violating the rules of the game and often the law."
It is also foolish to think one has to like everything about something in order to want to watch it.
Do you not know what "subjective" means, then? They're very clear rules that make a lot of sense, and if you're going to be charged with it, it'll be obvious that you're not trying. That's not subjective.
No, it really does hurt the integrity of the game: didn't you see all the people in the comments dissing badminton as "not a sport" because of this? People/judges/other players want them to actually PLAY, not pussy around because they're cowards.
You should construct your point better, then.
Racquetball is actually faster in terms of ball speed versus shuttle speed... nothing against badminton, but it'd be nice to see people get their facts straight.
Obviously these guys haven't come across the phrase that you have to beat the best to be the best.
Who's here watching this in 2019?
Are you saying badminton isn't a sport?
Yes, but the difference is those runners are actually putting effort into the race and are moving forward. When two teams are both aiming to lose, that match goes nowhere, nobody advances, and it's a complete waste of everybody's time. It makes even having the match entirely pointless. In the opening ceremony, all the athletes made a promise to attempt their best at all times and to do it for the love of the sports. Not to mention what kind of example it sets for young viewers.
By the way!
"The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part; the essential thing in life is not conquering but fighting well."
Pierre De Coubertin
Founder of the modern Olympic Games
"second only to cricket and soccer" ... uh, what? Tennis, rugby, boxing? Badminton is a brilliant sport and we do love it but it's nowhere near that popular lol.
No, it was quoted directly from the official badminton rules, right from the Badminton World Federation.
If things had changed, they wouldn't have been disqualified on that very charge -- “not using one’s best efforts to win a match” as well as “conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport.”
That's straight from the officials, not me, so they clearly broke the rules.
Back then the olympics were mainly for amateur athletes, not professionals.
It's a little bit more complicated than that in this case. A few of these countries had two pairs competing. They don't want a tournament schedule draw that would match their own country's players early on which would knock one of them out of a medal chance.
Well... too bad?
Is the olympics game supposed not having so much commercialism -- huge advertisement and tickets sales? Why is commercialism so obvious in London?
No, your analogy was rather simple, it just wouldn't apply in our universe. There's no way you can compare a match of badminton to a test. They just aren't fucking similar enough. You said "deliberately failing, but still get an A+" which is a ridiculous assertion. Anyone who tries to "deliberately fail" a test is not going to get an A+. People who study hard, but not too hard, will get better grades. Bombing a match of badminton to stack your teams in the olympics just shows poor sportsmanship.
The Brits did the same in 1948, and yet they were heros? This is what we call double standard. British? Strategy! Clever! Asian? Cheating! Unolympic!
To qualify for a heat you still have to *win*, regardless of how much you are holding back, there's a huge difference between holding back to preserve energy and losing on purpose to match-fix weaker opponents in the upcoming rounds, it's not like they weren't warned.
Also, if you go to 5.1, it says "In addition, if a player has at any time behaved in a manner severely damaging to the reputation of the sport, that player may be deemed by virtue of such behaviour to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the game of Badminton."
If you take a look at all these people who are dissing badminton as "not being a sport", it's clearly made a bad impact on the sport's reputation, since this got a lot of publicity.
No. They tried to avoid #1 seed vs #2 seed in the first round elimination, which london rule designed to promote bottom team to seize silver and bronze.
#1 and the last seed should meet in the first round elimination according to fair rules used in golf, nba, baseball, american football, soccer, tennis, chess, and every other sports.
I can assure you that even in Italy was on all channel and news..
Um, I said that it was cowardly to lose on purpose because you don't want to go up against someone good. Are you being sarcastic?
LMAO! This year was the first year they made THIS kind of round-robin format! Greed of IOC formats to get the most ticket sales!
1. The Badminton Laws that you are referring are used for the traditional Elimination Games; however, in this 2012 London Olympic, they didn't use the elimination system for badminton games.
2. The purposes of playing are to prove one's value, to win the gold medal, not for exhibition. This is not NBA all star! Therefore, anything they do, within the rules, should be considered as an effort to win the final battle.
Fine, but this isn't within the rules
Sounds more like a problem with the competition format than the players. If they are punished for winning (given stronger opponents), why would they want to win?
It was initially only the Chinese team trying to lose. I honestly don't know why South Korea followed suit, but then the other two pairs did as well, so it just became a farcical.
The fact that they were all doing it just made it really unfortunate, it didn't change their intentions.
Stupid system, stupid decision. Of course players will make strategic decisions, to advance as far as they can. There is nothing wrong with that. Annoying to watch, of course, especially if you have paid a lot of money for your tickets. But players are not to blame here, the stupidly-constructed bracket system is.
Grammar?
First, you don't need a comma between grammar and because. The causal clause is not an introductory clause. Second, you left out a comma after "if you like China so much." Introductory adverbial clauses require commas.
The use of foul language is the sign of a small mind.
The organizers have FAILED by designing a group play where the players can have a better chance at the medals by loosing. The players have prepared for this for years and come to the Olympics to fight for medals and these fights are usually entertaining to watch. It is not the responsibility of the players to entertain, they come to win the medals and that is exactly what they did. To blame and expel the players while the responsible organizers go free is a complete disgrace for the Olympics.
All the athletes are aware of their own sport's rules. Besides, the ref came down and informed them in the middle of the match that they were breaking the rules, so they really don't have an excuse.
And if they didn't speak enough English to understand him, then that's their own fault: not because everyone should know English, but because they should ABSOLUTELY care about what the ref has to say, if it's important enough for him to come down and talk directly to them. That just makes it worse.
Yes, you quoted that from rulebook from the previous olympic
Where in this year rulebook does it say you cannot do your best?