Some notes since this video is getting some traction here: 1.) It IS possible to play fast on any string instrument. I was only implying that the ease of that skill is more apparent on a smaller instrument. This is not a hard rule, just an observation! Coming from an orchestration perspective: it would be inappropriate to assign parts like these to a double bass. Not impossible, but inappropriate. 2.) "Versatile" can mean many different things depending on context. If we're talking playable register, absolutely Cello takes the crown. I was focusing more on natural agility and arrangement contexts. This is totally a debate that is open for opinions! 3.) I am not a classical musician, so if you are, kindly lend your take/knowledge below :) Bonus.) This is a 1 minute snippet from a video I uploaded on TikTok. Head on over there to see the whole thing!
exactly. people are hating for nothing. shows that string instrument players are always salty and can’t appreciate other instruments. this is a video about the violin so appreciate the instrument even if you disagree because the violin can do so much the other instruments can and can’t do
(1) is true, however, nothing in Oppenheimer’s score is particularly (or uniquely) difficult and any professional string musician (except for bass probably) could play it no problem. Therefore, just the technical aspect doesn’t justify entirely why the score is composed like that, from a musician’s point of view.
“The reason why the score in Oppenheimer is so good is because the director had no clue what he wanted for a score and the violin is a very good instrument”- this guy
@@dawsoncarr4260he ain’t ok wrong. It’s true it is I guess the most agile string instrument because it has the smallest fingerboard but like you could pull the piece off fairly as hard as the violin on say the flute. But technically you could play it on practically any instrument.
@@martinh1309 The show might suck but the soundtrack doesn't. And yes, Ludwig is one of the most talented and skilled composers of the modern era. I mean the only reason Nolan even considered working with him is because Hans was busy with DUNE while Nolan was making Tenet and Hans recommended Ludwig by name. When a composer is being actively endorsed by name by Hans freaking Zimmer himself that should say something.
I just wanted to add how insane this sheet music is for each violinist. I played viola which is a slightly bigger violin. It has a slightly deeper pitch and a C string instead of a high pitched E string. This piece “Can you hear the Music?” is genuinely insane, I want to see an orchestra play it live, and I’m not the type of guy to go to a musical theater.
Viola is in my opinion, truly better. I started as a violinist but switched to viola. Maybe i just like the deeper sound but the C string is miles better than the E string
It’s wicked fast, but ngl the orchestrator for the comp was kinda a genius in making it super cozy under the hand and fairly sightreadable! It kinda feels like Ysaye under the hand, or like the Barber concerto, when I was playing around with it the other day! I personally don’t think it’s terribly difficult when compared to something like Don Juan, but the thing I love most about this OST is the fact that the underlying orchestration sorta picks up pace in different beat divisions before finally lining up with the strings in 4s. That’s juicy af I’m not usually a fan of film music since there’s so much limitation due to budget and time, I feel for those cats, but Oppenheimer’s soundtrack fuckin slaps. The composer or the team did a really kickass job with that lolol
@@violetpurplecat6456lol ngl, I kinda agree with u, and I play violin lol. I have to say tho, it’s rare imo to see folks really take advantage of that tone, like David Aaron Carpenter on the Shor viola concerto. Andrew Norman has been doing some really killer work with viola these past 10-20 years or so too, check out his string trio, The Companion Guide to Rome
I don't play instruments or have any musical knowledge so I can't say what it was but this score gave me the biggest existencial crisis and so much anxiety and worry and dread and hopelessness. I was ready to go straight to therapy when the movie ended. It seems so masterful to be able to do that to someone else in such an intense way, I can't remember the last time I had that strong of a negative flow of emotions to music (they do stress me out when they want to and all that, but this was on another level). So impressive; it really suited the topic and the movie and the character's journey. Dune also had a strong effect on me, but more like the anxiety was a bit more mixed with awe and magnanimity and artistic wonder and greatness, if that makes any sense. People who score movies are brilliant; they absolutely transform the story and my experience, what a talent. I'm always in awe at the cinema.
The agility you mention can actually be achieved by many classical and modern instruments. The players just need to be good enough. I imagine this can be done from viola to clarinet to bassoon to flute
honestly, ive played way faster on clarinet, and people shred guitar and piano so idk wtf hes talking about. bowed string instruments are most versatile though as they can slur, staccato, crescendo, play chords, glissando, and be percussive. like a piano and guitar cant crescendo during a note, whereas a clarinet cant glissando, and a trombone cant play chords. but cello sounds so much nicer imo, and wider range of notes so i still wouldnt give violin the title of most versatile.
@@daslynnter9841 I'm probably biased being a violinist myself and having been exposed to some of the most amazing classical violinists ever, but I can't disagree with your remark about the cello. The cello is so beautiful, I would love to learn it someday
i love this song so much because of the varied rhythm patterns for the low strings going from just quarter notes to doublets to triplets and so on, on top of the violin doubling down, the rhythma get crazy fun
This scene at movie is extraordinary great to watch. I can't explain just how epic and kinda spirited I felt watching that scene. The score however only summarizes the wholesome feeling
I think the cello port is still being debugged. The violin exclusive runs pretty well, using a shallow bridge to load in the descending sextuplets quickly. Although both systems do run on a quad-string processor, the violin uses Carl Flesch upscaling to achieve a higher resolution mental image. I’ve heard that the cello can run a version of the score using a DuPré translation layer
the double bass is the most versatile orchestra instrument because before the bass guitar it was used in litterally every single genre from jazz to rock to blues to classical music
I think "Destroyer of Worlds" is way better, the modulation is genius, it makes the piece super powerfull and active, I am saying this as a Composer myself studying for Film specifically.
Madness that 13 years ago Ludwig was working on Community, collabed with Donald Glover on his childish Gambino stuff, and is now one of the biggest composers in the world
instrument that has had thousend years of evolution + skilled performer + skilled composer + million dollar recording setup *"IT SOUNDS GOOD"* ... u don't f_ing say 😂😂😂
I started playing violin in 5th grade. I’d say the most versatile string instrument is the viola given it has a deep end similar to cello, and with the A string you can reach 50% as high as violin (estimated, I don’t play viola lol). But I think there’s just something special about the ring and range of the violin that made this special
my fav part of the movie was the scary ass violin sound that was slowly descending, its just so special. those who watched the movie in cinemas know what im talking about
The guys got a point. There’s a good video on RUclips about movies (by EveryFrameAPainting) that use similar music to other movies, for similar scenes. So if I’m making my own action movie, I use songs from other action movies, but I change it just enough to not get sued. The director tells the composer to do this. Instead of showing the composer the scene and letting them create something, they say “make it sound like this song” There’s no inspiration when composers do this. All of the best movies/games have original soundtracks. All of Nolan’s movies have A+ Soundtracks. Because Nolan let the composers do their thing.
@@xonor13 even if a piano is a "string" instrument, violins/violas/cellos are way more expressive imo. You can make a TON of different sounds and techniques on a bow and string instrument
@@bluebaconjake405i could argue a million different things and u could argue a million different things so i think we should stop before it turns into a wild debate
Watch Ödön Racz or Ludwig Streicher on double bass. You’ll be surprised to see that they can also „jump from one note to the next“ with ease, on a much bigger instrument.
Narrator: The violin is the most agile and, subsequently, maybe the most versatile string instrument in the orchestra. Me (a trumpet player): And I took that personally.
Choosing a single instrument to base your music off of is decently common in Nolan films, my favorite case being Interstellar based off of a church organ
I’m going to say something very controversial it doesn’t matter cause I’m right, but I’m going to say it anyway the saxophone is the violin of any instrument that needs wind to play not just woodwind or brass anything and of course there is one exception that one Chinese blue thing that can play for notes at once in different times that little too, but that also takes like 40 years to get good, so yeah
I don't really understand your argument for it being exclusive to the violin. It's true that the shorter fingerboard makes it easier to switch between low notes to high notes, but switching from an ascending melody to a descending one is just a matter of learning the notes, and can be done on any instrument. Playing quick melodies is of course also possible, although harder, on larger instruments. The ascending example that you showed would be very possible to play on the double bass for example.
I think we’re just getting hung up on semantics here. Yes of course, you can switch the direction of a melody on any instrument. Perhaps better phrasing of what I meant was the ability to reset finger position and embark on a quicker melody in the descending direction is easiest on an instrument with a smaller fingerboard, like the violin. And those quicker melodies themselves like you mentioned, especially if they have a wide range, are most easily played on violin.
To me it's doesn't just sound good, but an aural depiction of particles rising and falling and building to reach critical mass. Story telling through it's own music.
![Ranking ALL Violin TECHNIQUES [Difficulty Tier List]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_q9kGrjg5qI/mqdefault.jpg)
Some notes since this video is getting some traction here:
1.) It IS possible to play fast on any string instrument. I was only implying that the ease of that skill is more apparent on a smaller instrument. This is not a hard rule, just an observation! Coming from an orchestration perspective: it would be inappropriate to assign parts like these to a double bass. Not impossible, but inappropriate.
2.) "Versatile" can mean many different things depending on context. If we're talking playable register, absolutely Cello takes the crown. I was focusing more on natural agility and arrangement contexts. This is totally a debate that is open for opinions!
3.) I am not a classical musician, so if you are, kindly lend your take/knowledge below :)
Bonus.) This is a 1 minute snippet from a video I uploaded on TikTok. Head on over there to see the whole thing!
blud made me want to learn violin
exactly. people are hating for nothing. shows that string instrument players are always salty and can’t appreciate other instruments. this is a video about the violin so appreciate the instrument even if you disagree because the violin can do so much the other instruments can and can’t do
Campus wifi doesn't allow tiktok, can you upload it on youtube?
(1) is true, however, nothing in Oppenheimer’s score is particularly (or uniquely) difficult and any professional string musician (except for bass probably) could play it no problem. Therefore, just the technical aspect doesn’t justify entirely why the score is composed like that, from a musician’s point of view.
Cello w
And then I pulled a silly and tried to learn it on Trumpet
ahahaha that got me 😂
Silly? What? The trumpet is a great addition to the song
Lungs got destroyed
and I tried to learn it on piano 😂
Trumpets are there in the track though
The second Oscar for Ludwig is coming
Isn't he a chess player or something
@@river.Isn't Ludwig that weirdo that keeps copying Mogul Mail?
@@oscarguzman3017What? You are talking about some other Ludwig I guess. (Sorry if it's some kinda joke though)
@@i_jetlag don't worry about it. We have brain rot.
You talking about Ludwig, The Holy Blade from Bloodborne?
“The reason why the score in Oppenheimer is so good is because the director had no clue what he wanted for a score and the violin is a very good instrument”- this guy
And then states the violin as the only capable instrument of agility💀 The years of orchestral experience I can offer tells me differently
@@dawsoncarr4260he ain’t ok wrong. It’s true it is I guess the most agile string instrument because it has the smallest fingerboard but like you could pull the piece off fairly as hard as the violin on say the flute. But technically you could play it on practically any instrument.
I hate people who say blatantly wrong things to sound smart
@dawsoncarr4260 read the pinned comment
The reason is that Ludwig Goransson is a pre-GOAT composer, in time he'll be known as the next Howard Shore
Ludwig also did the music in the Mandalorian
Ludwig is one of this century's most important musical compossers
@@Tplumdropimportant😂
Irrelevant show with 1 decent season
@@martinh1309 The show might suck but the soundtrack doesn't. And yes, Ludwig is one of the most talented and skilled composers of the modern era. I mean the only reason Nolan even considered working with him is because Hans was busy with DUNE while Nolan was making Tenet and Hans recommended Ludwig by name. When a composer is being actively endorsed by name by Hans freaking Zimmer himself that should say something.
@@VisionsOfSpy Hans Zimmer is the most overrated movie composer around though? Yes Ludwig is great and the music of the Mandalorian has been good.
Ludwig is actually a goated producer and is one of the most talented i have seen in my life
"Boys"
"Lads"
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I just wanted to add how insane this sheet music is for each violinist.
I played viola which is a slightly bigger violin. It has a slightly deeper pitch and a C string instead of a high pitched E string.
This piece “Can you hear the Music?” is genuinely insane, I want to see an orchestra play it live, and I’m not the type of guy to go to a musical theater.
Viola is in my opinion, truly better. I started as a violinist but switched to viola. Maybe i just like the deeper sound but the C string is miles better than the E string
@@violetpurplecat6456 I agree it’s so fun being able to play deeper heavier notes on the C string.
Real cello player hear gotta agree
It’s wicked fast, but ngl the orchestrator for the comp was kinda a genius in making it super cozy under the hand and fairly sightreadable! It kinda feels like Ysaye under the hand, or like the Barber concerto, when I was playing around with it the other day!
I personally don’t think it’s terribly difficult when compared to something like Don Juan, but the thing I love most about this OST is the fact that the underlying orchestration sorta picks up pace in different beat divisions before finally lining up with the strings in 4s. That’s juicy af
I’m not usually a fan of film music since there’s so much limitation due to budget and time, I feel for those cats, but Oppenheimer’s soundtrack fuckin slaps. The composer or the team did a really kickass job with that lolol
@@violetpurplecat6456lol ngl, I kinda agree with u, and I play violin lol. I have to say tho, it’s rare imo to see folks really take advantage of that tone, like David Aaron Carpenter on the Shor viola concerto. Andrew Norman has been doing some really killer work with viola these past 10-20 years or so too, check out his string trio, The Companion Guide to Rome
I don't play instruments or have any musical knowledge so I can't say what it was but this score gave me the biggest existencial crisis and so much anxiety and worry and dread and hopelessness. I was ready to go straight to therapy when the movie ended. It seems so masterful to be able to do that to someone else in such an intense way, I can't remember the last time I had that strong of a negative flow of emotions to music (they do stress me out when they want to and all that, but this was on another level). So impressive; it really suited the topic and the movie and the character's journey. Dune also had a strong effect on me, but more like the anxiety was a bit more mixed with awe and magnanimity and artistic wonder and greatness, if that makes any sense. People who score movies are brilliant; they absolutely transform the story and my experience, what a talent. I'm always in awe at the cinema.
I couldn’t stop listening to this track when I first heard it. It’s beautifully haunting.
People always br forgetting that he did the mando theme. legend this guy is
Bro forgot the viola existed 😂
And guitar
As violaist, literally noone knows what the fuck a viola is
as a violinist and a violist, yes
That music makes me happy and helps me get in my spirits
The agility you mention can actually be achieved by many classical and modern instruments. The players just need to be good enough. I imagine this can be done from viola to clarinet to bassoon to flute
honestly, ive played way faster on clarinet, and people shred guitar and piano so idk wtf hes talking about.
bowed string instruments are most versatile though as they can slur, staccato, crescendo, play chords, glissando, and be percussive. like a piano and guitar cant crescendo during a note, whereas a clarinet cant glissando, and a trombone cant play chords.
but cello sounds so much nicer imo, and wider range of notes so i still wouldnt give violin the title of most versatile.
@@daslynnter9841 I'm probably biased being a violinist myself and having been exposed to some of the most amazing classical violinists ever, but I can't disagree with your remark about the cello. The cello is so beautiful, I would love to learn it someday
i love this song so much because of the varied rhythm patterns for the low strings going from just quarter notes to doublets to triplets and so on, on top of the violin doubling down, the rhythma get crazy fun
This song is so beautiful
There is change in tempo 21 times it's just a masterpiece ❤❤❤
I was searching for this video for that plugin to download. This was very useful 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Cello is most versatile
Yes
Real
Frrr tho is cellos need some recognization
As a cello player, this.
Bro, 😂😂😂, im violinist, we got u beat
I would have never thought the violin can creating something that bombastic
This particular track is what made us not miss Hans Zimmer's score for Nolan movies
Thank you for explaining this.
The music when he’s dreaming of the subatomic realm in the beginning of the movie is absolutely incredible.
Have you ever talked to a violinist before?
wdym?
Fr.
The full 2.5-minute video: www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8L9otPQ/
What era are we in! How the tables have turned where the short-form video gets uploaded to RUclips and the full-length to TikTok.
What’s the song behind the first sentence you say in the short?
I remembered I saw the movie a month later, it was a empty theater in imax and when it played I really felt this song
Through the fire and flame
Nolan was like, write me a Disney version of Penderecki's Threnody on the subject
"Violin is most versatile" how to speedrun losing credibility 😂
This guy just be waffling
This scene at movie is extraordinary great to watch. I can't explain just how epic and kinda spirited I felt watching that scene. The score however only summarizes the wholesome feeling
Lets give more love to the violas!!
Gotta test this on me cello. See if it's really violin exclusive
Same
I think the cello port is still being debugged. The violin exclusive runs pretty well, using a shallow bridge to load in the descending sextuplets quickly. Although both systems do run on a quad-string processor, the violin uses Carl Flesch upscaling to achieve a higher resolution mental image. I’ve heard that the cello can run a version of the score using a DuPré translation layer
@@LukeBannon-e3rwhat the fuck are you talking about
@@LukeBannon-e3rbest comment here
technically cello is part of the violin family
Ludwig and Gambino made some dope stuff together, Bino referenced him even back in his mixtape days
Cello gang assemble
SIR YES SIR
Got my cello right here 🫡
the double bass is the most versatile orchestra instrument because before the bass guitar it was used in litterally every single genre from jazz to rock to blues to classical music
This song makes me drive over the speed limit
ludwig is amazing
As a violinist, I approve this.
Ludwig also made the Mandolorian Score as well
Hes come a long way since Community
I think "Destroyer of Worlds" is way better, the modulation is genius, it makes the piece super powerfull and active, I am saying this as a Composer myself studying for Film specifically.
It still sounds absolutely woundurfull on most of the instruments
Clearly not a classical artist lol
He clearly has basically no clue what he’s talking about. Agility like that is possible even on a fucking bass guitar
Ok
yup
This is the music Sigma from overwatch is talking about
Madness that 13 years ago Ludwig was working on Community, collabed with Donald Glover on his childish Gambino stuff, and is now one of the biggest composers in the world
The movie was about humans opening a pandora box.
The music was about a composer opening Zimmer's box.
Ludwig also did mandalorian for what it’s worth
instrument that has had thousend years of evolution + skilled performer + skilled composer + million dollar recording setup
*"IT SOUNDS GOOD"* ... u don't f_ing say 😂😂😂
And today he Won an Oscar For This
Ludwig really will be one of the greats. He has made it
I started playing violin in 5th grade. I’d say the most versatile string instrument is the viola given it has a deep end similar to cello, and with the A string you can reach 50% as high as violin (estimated, I don’t play viola lol). But I think there’s just something special about the ring and range of the violin that made this special
my fav part of the movie was the scary ass violin sound that was slowly descending, its just so special. those who watched the movie in cinemas know what im talking about
He also did the soundtrack of the mandalorian
learning this on piano is so much fun, but so difficult😂
*enter clarinets playing 6524152 notes per second the moment they take it out of the case*
Piano: 😶🌫️
Fun Fact: Ludwig is also the Guy who produced "Redbone" by Childish Gambino
Experiencing the music in IMAX. Just wow… had the whole album on repeat on the way home
*LAUGHS IN TRUMPET*
The guys got a point.
There’s a good video on RUclips about movies (by EveryFrameAPainting) that use similar music to other movies, for similar scenes. So if I’m making my own action movie, I use songs from other action movies, but I change it just enough to not get sued. The director tells the composer to do this. Instead of showing the composer the scene and letting them create something, they say “make it sound like this song” There’s no inspiration when composers do this. All of the best movies/games have original soundtracks.
All of Nolan’s movies have A+ Soundtracks. Because Nolan let the composers do their thing.
Violin: strange shape, wonderful sound.
I'd say piano is more versatile, but each to their own.
He said string instrument..
@@archungustechnically, the piano is a string instrument.
@@xonor13 even if a piano is a "string" instrument, violins/violas/cellos are way more expressive imo. You can make a TON of different sounds and techniques on a bow and string instrument
The Piano is a percussion instrument . You don’t bow the strings, the hammers hit the strings.
@@bluebaconjake405i could argue a million different things and u could argue a million different things so i think we should stop before it turns into a wild debate
Man we live in a dumb age when THAT music is apparently perfect...
I was expecting Ludwig to be a 60 year old guy. Pleasantly surprised.
HE ALSO DID A LOT OF CAMP by Childish Gambino. Donald Glover literally referenced him in Bonfire
He also did the music for the Mandalorian
Wish me luck guys 🫠
Learning it on piano
The Mandalorian❤
Bros explaining a violin
The bpm for the measures also changes at random, which makes it extremely difficult to play
Musicians : "so what kind of song do you want for the movie?"
Nolan : "i don't know? Violin?"
Composers : "say no more"
How tf you didn’t mention the Mandalorian???
He said "movie scores"
How tf you didn’t mention the Mandolin???
@@fish-champ He said "movie scores"
WHOOPS. Mandolin! lol
Love this
Watch Ödön Racz or Ludwig Streicher on double bass. You’ll be surprised to see that they can also „jump from one note to the next“ with ease, on a much bigger instrument.
He also did the soundtrack for the mandalorian and the book of boba fett
“that agility is exclusively to the violin” **guitarists in the corner** aight, i’m out then.
OF THE ORCHESTRAL STRING INSTRUMENTS haha
Bro tbh, Han Zimmer is probably THE most talented song writers of all times
I don't know, you truly underestimate the cello
Narrator: The violin is the most agile and, subsequently, maybe the most versatile string instrument in the orchestra.
Me (a trumpet player): And I took that personally.
Rusted Pride type beat
Choosing a single instrument to base your music off of is decently common in Nolan films, my favorite case being Interstellar based off of a church organ
so basically Ludwig will replace HansZimmer in future 🤌
Fun fact: he also did a bunch of music for Community
What is the song playing in the background during your taking? Not the movie ost
Ears that hear
Love violins
I’m going to say something very controversial it doesn’t matter cause I’m right, but I’m going to say it anyway the saxophone is the violin of any instrument that needs wind to play not just woodwind or brass anything and of course there is one exception that one Chinese blue thing that can play for notes at once in different times that little too, but that also takes like 40 years to get good, so yeah
It’s tenet not tenant
Hans Zimmer gone...
This soundtrack is cool, also.
I don't really understand your argument for it being exclusive to the violin. It's true that the shorter fingerboard makes it easier to switch between low notes to high notes, but switching from an ascending melody to a descending one is just a matter of learning the notes, and can be done on any instrument. Playing quick melodies is of course also possible, although harder, on larger instruments. The ascending example that you showed would be very possible to play on the double bass for example.
I think we’re just getting hung up on semantics here. Yes of course, you can switch the direction of a melody on any instrument. Perhaps better phrasing of what I meant was the ability to reset finger position and embark on a quicker melody in the descending direction is easiest on an instrument with a smaller fingerboard, like the violin. And those quicker melodies themselves like you mentioned, especially if they have a wide range, are most easily played on violin.
It could've been Hans Zimmer, just imagine
Saying it’s the most versatile is very subjective. I would argue that bass is more versatile
Bro has never heard a guitar before
Actually, as a double bass player I can play the lowest note which makes me the most versatile 🤓
Dopeeee
*Xavier Foley has entered the chat*
Ludwig is becoming a fine succesor to John Williams IMO
am I the only one that knows Ludwig primarily for this is America ?
Lol as always. Nolan dude says the same for interstellar, inception, etc...😊
To me it's doesn't just sound good, but an aural depiction of particles rising and falling and building to reach critical mass. Story telling through it's own music.