It interesting seeing how a team and media could break a young QB. I remember the Jets and the NY media broke Geno Smith in his early NFL years. Only difference was Geno actually had talent.
@@Gump-tionMac obviously isn’t great. But a lot of the hate stems from Boston media and fans not wanting to trash on bill because deep down everyone knows Brady was the one wining all of those super bowls. Bill ain’t nothing without Tom, so let’s just shit on Mac and hope he’s a reliable enough scapegoat.
Every day Tom Brady’s legacy grows more and more. With the debacle of what the Patriots and Bill Belichick have become and seeing things like what has happened Josh McDaniels and so on, Brady somehow even looks better than he did 2 years ago.
12 total. #1 Christian Gonzalez - IR #2 Keion White - playing for Judon, contributing #3 Marte Mapu - playing as a hybrid S, contributing #4 Jake Andrews - playing for injured OL rotation, developing to replace Andrews at C #5 Chad Ryland - playing, decent for rookie kicker getting few chances due to offense yardage #6 Sidy Sow - playing for injured OL rotation, developing to replace Onwenu/RT #7 Antonio Mafi - playing for injured OL rotation, good guard prospect #8 Kayshon Boutte - playing for injured WR rotation, some flashes #9 Bryce Barringer - playing as a pretty good first year punter #10 Demario Douglas - has emerged as the best skill WR for YAC and route running #11 Ameer Speed - waived due to unrelated roster issues, claimed by IND #12 Isaiah Bolden - IR injured while playing for the CB rotation
A nightmarish for Pats fans would be that they go 2-5 the rest of the way and then they end up drafting ninth. Bb flips that pick for extra 3rd and 4th. Drafts a replacement for Slater......
Tom Brady legend in New England grows and grows each week. It’s so impressive how much he was able to accomplish with that incompetence and arrogant coaching staff. All of them, belichick included, are lost puppies without Tom.
@NYESOX The overwhelming mainstream talk show take back in 2020 when Brady left was that Bill was responsible for the dynasty and he would certainly win the divorce in the coming years. Even now you have past Brady haters like Shannon and others coming out and saying he was plain wrong and Brady obviously deserves the lion share of the credit. Which is objectively the correct take.
@NYESOX You can certainly argue he's never had it as a head coach without Brady. He was under .500 and missed the playoffs in 4/5 years as the Browns hc. Went to NWE, went 5-11 with Bledsoe in 2000. Then starts 0-2 in 2001 before Brady steps in, is on the hot seat before Tom takes them on sb run that year. Brady leaves in 2020. Has now missed the playoffs in 3/4 years since Tom left, 0 playoff wins, 0 division titles. 81-96 all time record without Brady. So yes, he's never had it without Tom.
@NYESOXNaw it’s showing playing QB for Belichick and his staff was maybe then hardest plaice to play in the NFL he has zero offensive play calling and loads up on defense with zero weapons on offense these are the same teams Brady was dragging to AFC champ games
@NYESOX Because he had Brady to carry the franchise Belichick was never a great head coach period he was a glorified Defensive coordinator at head coach he’s always been a great defensive mind he still is he just isn’t a good head coach just like all his coordinators wo Brady
After the SB against the Rams, Belichick said, "I could win with any QB." Every since Brady left, Belichick looked like a bum especially when he won the SB with the Bucs his 1st year there. The longer the guy coaches, the worse more he gets exposed. He is nothing more than a good to great D.C.
@@waynetables6414 The media after the SB. It was huge news at that time. Belichick's assistant coaches were spreading that quote around and were agreeing with it. That's when the friction between Brady and Belichick were at it's peak. With how much control Belichick had over the organization, who else would give it okay to spread that rumor around other than the man himself.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq no i remember that at the time.. i remember it being a rumored thing "someone on the coaching staff" said.. you are attributing it to belichick as a matter of fact so I asked because i was wondering if you knew something i didn't.
@@waynetables6414 Belichick won the bet. The year prior, he benched Butler and purposely threw the game away to the Eagles in the SB. He didn't even try. Brady and Kraft had a plan to replace Belichick with O'Brien. But that plan got derailed when he did a great job against the Rams in that SB. That was why Kraft chose Bill over Brady. Kraft and Belichick looked like a fool and full of embarrassment when Brady won the SB with the Bucs. Belichick was so petty he didn't even call Brady to congratulate him until the following season when they played against each other. Kraft felt regret with that decision to let Brady go. Now he is regretting he chose Belichick over Brady.
Just fire Bill. I’m sick of the bland answers. I’m sick of the lack of responsibility. The pettiness coming from Bill is sickening. He can go along with his horrendous personnel decisions too.
Let me jog your memory...Donovan McNabb was benched for the final drive in a one-score game by Mike Shanahan with the Redskins, and it went essentially the same way: the backup immediately fumbled the ball away to lose.
Yeah if you are coming out of that event looking at Zappe in any way that's the wrong take. It didn't matter what happened that was a message to the fans and the league that Mac is done. Bill said in the press conference after that Zappe had been running 2min drills in practice pretty well, and that despite the lack of result he saw positives that translated from practice to that drive. It was *all* messaging and rating Zappe on the outcome is not the idea.
And that's the thing, ain't it? It's not just that the team is terrible. It's that it's getting WORSE. Every week feels like we've hit rock bottom and the next week we find another way to sink even lower. Although I don't know how it gets worse from here. Players standing at the podium giving more of a defense of Belichick than Belichick ever could. Mac Jones literally on the brink of tears both on the bench and the podium. Players getting suspended and fired. Kraft becoming a meme in front of an international audience. Literally having no starting QB. This really feels like rock bottom, even if we lose to the giants in 2 weeks
It took Zappe and the offense over a minute just to move the ball 25 yards before he threw the game ending interception. That final drive had no shot. Belichick benching Jones in that spot resigned the game and the season. It's time to let Grier and Cunningham play and see what you have with those guys.
Sort of a disingenuous take with the way you frame the timing. The guys in the postgame show Sunday pointed out the same thing and pointed out how ~30sec was taken up by that one run play that BoB decided to call.
Bill Belichick has done great things here but he is not a great man. He has been ornery right along exhibiting little grace and no humility. Not having anybody to replace Brady is an unforgivable error. You knew Brady was gone, cuz you pushed him out, and there was nobody ready. Imo Bill was making a point to Kraft. He didn't forget he needed a QB.
I’m a young Patriots fan and this is all so entertaining and fascinating. Became a fan like 15 years ago because they were a winning team but I promised to stay a Patriots fan for life. I don’t even get upset this is normal life for most nfl fans. I never thought I’d hear these types of conversations about bill. I’m still in shock about it.😂
You almost can't get upset no matter how much they suck now. We've been the luckiest, most spoiled fans in the history of professional sports. I'm with you, I just watch them for entertainment these days just how low they can go. lol
I have to imagine Jones has thrown his last ball for the Patriots. I have to say, though, I'm so hoping he goes somewhere else and actually turns things around just to make Belichick look even worse then he already does. I know it's unlikely to happen, but I'm rooting for it.
The last minute benching is just another petty act by Beliprick to finish the job of ruining Jones because Kraft made him pick him. Those penalties aren't on Jones,. the horrible roster is not on Jones, the lack of effort seen in some of the games isn't on Jones. The friends and family coaching staff is not on Jones. This team is done until Kraft grows a pair and stops living in the past and can that fraud
I saw it Felger 1997 Rose Bowl Ohio State vs Arizona State last series of the game Ohio State down 1 score last shot Buckeyes Coach John Cooper benched struggling QB Stanley Jackson for Joe Germaine the Buckeyes back up the Buckeyes drove the ball down the field hitting David Boston for the game winner score with under 30 seconds left.
They're not beating the Giants. I hope they lose every game for the rest of the year. We need all the help we can get. Complete turnover, salary cap money, and a great draft. We could turn this around quickly.
Idc what anyone says, they absolutely broke Mac Jones. Dude has totally lost all of his confidence, which was exemplified by the horrid interception he threw. He needs a fresh start on another team and Bill needs to move on.
''NFL INSIDER: Belichick & Pats to 'Mutually' Part Ways at End of Season'' ^^WOW! -- THAT Felger video just got scrubbed off RUclips in record time! LOLOLOL
Just wait this week Bailey Zappey “Brady” will save Belicheck job this year when they you win 3 out of 4 and he finds another Brady type guy. Sorry Mazz sorry Felger Coach is staying if Zappey plays hopefully they still put Mac so they both get fired by the end of the season
they cut POS jack jones,another wasted criminal draft pick.Zyon. McCollum had the most picks in his senior year but. was taken the next round by tampa bay Bucs.a much taller, better high character player-great pick Bill!-please hire jimmy Johnson as GM-a man who knows how to draft and knows talent, unlike Belichick.
So? The ball wasn't getting there anyway lol. After watching the replay, If anything, it made the interception difficult cause it was going to hit the DB in the chest.
God do I love this...Im eating EVERY moment of this up! Hope you enjoyed your winning seasons, because its back to the 80s for the Pats LOL! Go ask Curren, Tua and Jones are the same player. Delusion fools.
THE Brady/Bellicheck argument is over.
Closed case since January of 2023.
life without brady is hard… really hard (pause)
It interesting seeing how a team and media could break a young QB. I remember the Jets and the NY media broke Geno Smith in his early NFL years. Only difference was Geno actually had talent.
@@Gump-tionMac obviously isn’t great. But a lot of the hate stems from Boston media and fans not wanting to trash on bill because deep down everyone knows Brady was the one wining all of those super bowls. Bill ain’t nothing without Tom, so let’s just shit on Mac and hope he’s a reliable enough scapegoat.
😂 the patriots have gone soft without Brady… (pause)
not really. The players are young. All the older players are gone. No one to lead. This is a new day. They don’t understand the Patriot way.
@@crystale828well cuz the og of patriot way, the founder Tom Brady, wasn’t wanted so I blame bill
Every day Tom Brady’s legacy grows more and more. With the debacle of what the Patriots and Bill Belichick have become and seeing things like what has happened Josh McDaniels and so on, Brady somehow even looks better than he did 2 years ago.
Never was a Patriot Way, just a Brady Way. Belichick just went along for the ride. Tom and his motivated teammates did the dynasty run.
Didn’t the Pats have like 14 draft picks this past draft? What happened to them?
12 total.
#1 Christian Gonzalez - IR
#2 Keion White - playing for Judon, contributing
#3 Marte Mapu - playing as a hybrid S, contributing
#4 Jake Andrews - playing for injured OL rotation, developing to replace Andrews at C
#5 Chad Ryland - playing, decent for rookie kicker getting few chances due to offense yardage
#6 Sidy Sow - playing for injured OL rotation, developing to replace Onwenu/RT
#7 Antonio Mafi - playing for injured OL rotation, good guard prospect
#8 Kayshon Boutte - playing for injured WR rotation, some flashes
#9 Bryce Barringer - playing as a pretty good first year punter
#10 Demario Douglas - has emerged as the best skill WR for YAC and route running
#11 Ameer Speed - waived due to unrelated roster issues, claimed by IND
#12 Isaiah Bolden - IR injured while playing for the CB rotation
A nightmarish for Pats fans would be that they go 2-5 the rest of the way and then they end up drafting ninth. Bb flips that pick for extra 3rd and 4th. Drafts a replacement for Slater......
For old-timers, this now feels like the pre-Brady era - a complete clown show.
Literally taking me back to the patriots i grew up with in the late 80s
I disagree at least the teams before Brady was at least entertaining and could score points lol .
@@truth3412at least those teams could score points and at least entertaining to watch
so a regression to the mean? This is what a NFL franchise looks like for most teams.
@@omizzy20 there wasnt anythjng entertaining about the rod rust era of new england patriot football buddy.
Tom Brady legend in New England grows and grows each week. It’s so impressive how much he was able to accomplish with that incompetence and arrogant coaching staff. All of them, belichick included, are lost puppies without Tom.
Insert peak Tom Brady into this team, and they easily win 10 or 11 games and make the playoffs.
@NYESOX The overwhelming mainstream talk show take back in 2020 when Brady left was that Bill was responsible for the dynasty and he would certainly win the divorce in the coming years. Even now you have past Brady haters like Shannon and others coming out and saying he was plain wrong and Brady obviously deserves the lion share of the credit. Which is objectively the correct take.
@NYESOX You can certainly argue he's never had it as a head coach without Brady. He was under .500 and missed the playoffs in 4/5 years as the Browns hc. Went to NWE, went 5-11 with Bledsoe in 2000. Then starts 0-2 in 2001 before Brady steps in, is on the hot seat before Tom takes them on sb run that year. Brady leaves in 2020. Has now missed the playoffs in 3/4 years since Tom left, 0 playoff wins, 0 division titles. 81-96 all time record without Brady. So yes, he's never had it without Tom.
@NYESOXNaw it’s showing playing QB for Belichick and his staff was maybe then hardest plaice to play in the NFL he has zero offensive play calling and loads up on defense with zero weapons on offense these are the same teams Brady was dragging to AFC champ games
@NYESOX Because he had Brady to carry the franchise Belichick was never a great head coach period he was a glorified Defensive coordinator at head coach he’s always been a great defensive mind he still is he just isn’t a good head coach just like all his coordinators wo Brady
After the SB against the Rams, Belichick said, "I could win with any QB."
Every since Brady left, Belichick looked like a bum especially when he won the SB with the Bucs his 1st year there. The longer the guy coaches, the worse more he gets exposed. He is nothing more than a good to great D.C.
where are you getting that quote from
@@waynetables6414 The media after the SB. It was huge news at that time. Belichick's assistant coaches were spreading that quote around and were agreeing with it. That's when the friction between Brady and Belichick were at it's peak. With how much control Belichick had over the organization, who else would give it okay to spread that rumor around other than the man himself.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq no i remember that at the time.. i remember it being a rumored thing "someone on the coaching staff" said.. you are attributing it to belichick as a matter of fact so I asked because i was wondering if you knew something i didn't.
@@waynetables6414 Belichick won the bet. The year prior, he benched Butler and purposely threw the game away to the Eagles in the SB. He didn't even try. Brady and Kraft had a plan to replace Belichick with O'Brien. But that plan got derailed when he did a great job against the Rams in that SB. That was why Kraft chose Bill over Brady. Kraft and Belichick looked like a fool and full of embarrassment when Brady won the SB with the Bucs. Belichick was so petty he didn't even call Brady to congratulate him until the following season when they played against each other. Kraft felt regret with that decision to let Brady go. Now he is regretting he chose Belichick over Brady.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq all plausible but what is your source of information
Just fire Bill. I’m sick of the bland answers. I’m sick of the lack of responsibility. The pettiness coming from Bill is sickening. He can go along with his horrendous personnel decisions too.
Let me jog your memory...Donovan McNabb was benched for the final drive in a one-score game by Mike Shanahan with the Redskins, and it went essentially the same way: the backup immediately fumbled the ball away to lose.
Yeah if you are coming out of that event looking at Zappe in any way that's the wrong take. It didn't matter what happened that was a message to the fans and the league that Mac is done.
Bill said in the press conference after that Zappe had been running 2min drills in practice pretty well, and that despite the lack of result he saw positives that translated from practice to that drive. It was *all* messaging and rating Zappe on the outcome is not the idea.
And that's the thing, ain't it? It's not just that the team is terrible. It's that it's getting WORSE. Every week feels like we've hit rock bottom and the next week we find another way to sink even lower.
Although I don't know how it gets worse from here. Players standing at the podium giving more of a defense of Belichick than Belichick ever could. Mac Jones literally on the brink of tears both on the bench and the podium. Players getting suspended and fired. Kraft becoming a meme in front of an international audience. Literally having no starting QB. This really feels like rock bottom, even if we lose to the giants in 2 weeks
It took Zappe and the offense over a minute just to move the ball 25 yards before he threw the game ending interception. That final drive had no shot. Belichick benching Jones in that spot resigned the game and the season. It's time to let Grier and Cunningham play and see what you have with those guys.
Sort of a disingenuous take with the way you frame the timing. The guys in the postgame show Sunday pointed out the same thing and pointed out how ~30sec was taken up by that one run play that BoB decided to call.
The Brady Curse is on until Bill is gone.
Brady fixed all of Bill belichick's mistakes and the decisions he made. It's as simple as that.😮😢😂
Bill Belichick has done great things here but he is not a great man. He has been ornery right along exhibiting little grace and no humility. Not having anybody to replace Brady is an unforgivable error. You knew Brady was gone, cuz you pushed him out, and there was nobody ready. Imo Bill was making a point to Kraft. He didn't forget he needed a QB.
I’m a young Patriots fan and this is all so entertaining and fascinating. Became a fan like 15 years ago because they were a winning team but I promised to stay a Patriots fan for life. I don’t even get upset this is normal life for most nfl fans. I never thought I’d hear these types of conversations about bill. I’m still in shock about it.😂
You almost can't get upset no matter how much they suck now. We've been the luckiest, most spoiled fans in the history of professional sports. I'm with you, I just watch them for entertainment these days just how low they can go. lol
Take Lawrence Taylor and Brady away from BB he turns human .. officer doofy actually
I have to imagine Jones has thrown his last ball for the Patriots. I have to say, though, I'm so hoping he goes somewhere else and actually turns things around just to make Belichick look even worse then he already does. I know it's unlikely to happen, but I'm rooting for it.
The last minute benching is just another petty act by Beliprick to finish the job of ruining Jones because Kraft made him pick him.
Those penalties aren't on Jones,. the horrible roster is not on Jones, the lack of effort seen in some of the games isn't on Jones. The friends and family coaching staff is not on Jones.
This team is done until Kraft grows a pair and stops living in the past and can that fraud
Mac can't throw the long ball, plain and simple.
Stop saying he can’t when he absolutely can. He’s never aloud to. And when he does his trash receivers always drop it.
@@jungle7178 Allowed...
I'm Italian but no quarterback should be named Tommy DeVito he should be owning a pizzeria😂😂😂
As bad as that pick was.....I think that idiotic two handed toss when he was being dragged down was even worse. That was inches from being a pick six.
at this point I think Mac is tanking to leave or tanking to get Belichick out
Is Felger eventually going to simply not button ANY of the buttons on his shirt?
I just don’t understand what happened after Buffalo. WTF
Buffalo win was a complete outlier.
@@semicharmedlife311 yeah and they got cocky after winning. Unbelievable
I saw it Felger 1997 Rose Bowl Ohio State vs Arizona State last series of the game Ohio State down 1 score last shot Buckeyes Coach John Cooper benched struggling QB Stanley Jackson for Joe Germaine the Buckeyes back up the Buckeyes drove the ball down the field hitting David Boston for the game winner score with under 30 seconds left.
The interception was really one of the worst in history i totally agree
Welcome to reality NEP. You had the GOAT but your coach believed his press clippings. The dynasty is Dead.
If not the reason? He is the reason they lost.
Scott Secules is back in a Mac Jones jersey!
Before the beginning of the season I actually picked them only to win five games based on their schedule😢
Yahooo….I love these conversations! Go Bills! Boy oh boy….I never thought this day would come. Should TB12 step in to coach the Pats???? LOL….
Crazy how much Brady meant to this franchise. Complete 180
None of this is Mac Jones fault🤔 belichick pushed Brady out of the door like a fool and now he's getting exposed.
“Can it get worse?” We eff up the first pick in the draft and have 4 more years of this
They're not beating the Giants. I hope they lose every game for the rest of the year. We need all the help we can get. Complete turnover, salary cap money, and a great draft. We could turn this around quickly.
Jackie Jr joke is great
Those guys are on all teams...NFL is full of guys with issues but with talent.
How many chances does Mac Jones get w/ same result....
KRAFT doesn't have the brass balls to fire BB. WHY? BILL will be in BUFFALO next year.
What are they talking about? The best thing in the world would be the Patriots losing to the Giants
Idc what anyone says, they absolutely broke Mac Jones. Dude has totally lost all of his confidence, which was exemplified by the horrid interception he threw. He needs a fresh start on another team and Bill needs to move on.
Even if you’re not a fan it’s obvious that this team is a joke back to the future
''NFL INSIDER: Belichick & Pats to 'Mutually' Part Ways at End of Season''
^^WOW! -- THAT Felger video just got scrubbed off RUclips in record time! LOLOLOL
Mazz says 'he couldn't throw the ball'............like 7 times............we heard you the 1st, 2nd, 3rd time mazz.
Just wait this week Bailey Zappey “Brady” will save Belicheck job this year when they you win 3 out of 4 and he finds another Brady type guy. Sorry Mazz sorry Felger Coach is staying if Zappey plays hopefully they still put Mac so they both get fired by the end of the season
they cut POS jack jones,another wasted criminal draft pick.Zyon. McCollum had the most picks in his senior year but. was taken the next round by tampa bay Bucs.a much taller, better high character player-great pick Bill!-please hire jimmy Johnson as GM-a man who knows how to draft and knows talent, unlike Belichick.
WTF Waiving Jack Jones when you have no one to replace him? What insanity is this?
Major behavioral issues going all the way back to college, now in airports and the NFL. He's a turd.
they did that instead of confirming mac is benched lol they think were stupid
Get over it. Jones needs to go. They will keep him for more embarrassments. Who cares. Seasons over..
These ''PROFESSIONALS'' STILL don't know that Darius Leonard tipped the INT ball? LOLOLOL
So? The ball wasn't getting there anyway lol. After watching the replay, If anything, it made the interception difficult cause it was going to hit the DB in the chest.
Just embarrassing
Tua was benched by Flores several times. Particularly the Raiders game 1 score he took out Tua put in Fitzpatrick.
You guys must not watch football.
These guys love to whine. But I guess thats what they get paid to do.
God do I love this...Im eating EVERY moment of this up! Hope you enjoyed your winning seasons, because its back to the 80s for the Pats LOL! Go ask Curren, Tua and Jones are the same player. Delusion fools.
Zappe s going to look like Montana next to noodle arm