We are not your wife, we are not the one you need to convince that you bought it by accident. But I'm sure she's proud you didn't just click buy-now. :) As allways, great video. Thx.
sooo... being diskless and with no video codecs existing anyway, this thing would have been doing its magic entirely through the genlock interface on professional video equipment, right?
Yes. You wouldn't have been saving digital video files anywhere for sure due to technological limitations. The expectation was you used the computer as an intermediary, your sources were overlaid onto whatever software you were working on and the final output went to VCR or some other analog recording device.
You should probably get in touch with someone who is capable of reverse engineering that 512K expansion module. It looks to be fairly simple with off the shelf components. It should be possible to clone those like others have done with other rare cards.
I really wish the mister FPGA crowd would show some interest in recreating hardware representations of machines such as the mindset or Lisa so people can have a better experience of them and to archive the hardware. Seems they spend a lot of time cloning arcade game boards.
I guess it makes sense, since they're mainly porting the work that other people have already done for MAME. But yeah, I'd definitely like to see these weird chipsets emulated just like they have Amiga cores.
I remember an animation magazine ad back in 85-86?? It showed a prosumer grade computer that could do cel animation. i was blown away. I don't think it was amiga. I wonder if this was it!
I hope these machines actually start getting cloned for posterity. FPGAs especially make that very possible now. It'd be an absolute shame to see these things go completely away as they die off of old age. While they were a complete failure in the market and exist as a footnote, they're an important foot note. I think a lot of machines that followed them simply wouldn't exist without the Mindset machines having existed in the first place.
Great video. I found that 80186 were used in embedded systems but never figure out that it was this pc too. I think cathode tube ray dude has a video on this if you want to check for more info.
@@TheEradorthe oxford comma exactly replicates how people speak. Commas denote a small pause in speech, and when people enumerate a list, they put small pauses between each item in the list. That's what the oxford comma is.
I'm betting there are some folks out there willing to learn all they can about this machine so they can make some homebrew software for it. We got a lot of homebrew Commodore PET programs after all, so it makes sense.
I hope so. I'd love to see what can be done with the hardware fully utilized. The one complication is there are so few Mindsets out there there may not be enough of a base to really encourage new development.
Let's be fair, as a member of the 1977 Microcomputer Trinity, the Commodore PET is a lot more common. Looking at prices, the machines are bafflingly unreasonably priced for their relative commonality. They're not unobtainium like the original stock Apple ][ and Mindset for example.
Usually the blame for destroying vintage computers is shared by the shipping companies and the sellers that couldn't be arsed to package the items decently.
Living in nova scotia iv never heard nova scotia so many times in a video, ever 😂 but it is funny because i do often see rather expensive vintage computers on marketplace or kijiji and wonder if its the same collector. Who knows.
Nova Scotia seems to be a trend lately.. they mention it in the latest season of Only Murders in the Building. :) But yeah there seems to be a grouping of serious collectors there.. I think a bunch of Kenbak-1s turned up there a while back and then this fellow who has been unloading gear for 5 or 6 years now.
@TechTimeTraveller for a small place we do seem to get a bit of recognition here and there 😅 but I will say there is a fairly strong retro community here between gaming, PCs and arcade hardware. The stuff never seems to sit around unsold
Thank you. The CPU was an Intel 80186 I think clocked at 6mhz. There is a fuller documentary video I did about the machine that covers the details.. really the only things that seem to have changed with the Mindset II is the memory.
@@TechTimeTraveller It's so strange to see a the 80186 in action, as it really wasn't all that popular and a very niche chip. The 286 was much more popular, but it's still a relatively uncommon chip. Since things didn't really take off until the 386 which for its time was really impressive. Still so few machines used the 186 and it's really nice to see an example in action.
@@natsume-hime2473 And if anyone is wondering _why_ the 80186 didn't take off that much... The 186 was kind of a system-on-a-chip, with a lot of the motherboard logic built in, so it could be used in embedded systems. _But,_ because it came out in 1982, it was largely designed _before_ the (1981) IBM PC got popular -- and it used different memory addresses and such than the PC for that motherboard logic. This wasn't a problem for the few programs that worked entirely with calls to the operating system (e.g., to MS-DOS). But the IBM PC's BIOS was slow enough to be a bottleneck when using DOS this way, so MS-DOS programs often bypassed the operating system, and accessed the PC's hardware directly for better performance. Thus, 186 systems could never _quite_ be fully compatible with IBM PC software. The Tandy 2000 was another computer that used the 80186 -- and had the same problem make it a disappointment in the marketplace. (Though it was rather less of a flop than the Mindset.)
Hopefully you upload the ROMs to the Internet Archive since Google Drive links stop functioning after awhile. And upload pics of the machine there and the Retro Web.
Unfortunately so far the only people I've found were the two developers of the Video Titler software. I've tried sending messages out to other staff names I've found but nothing so far.
From the few listings I can find the prices on Mindset computers are really reasonably priced, considering how rare they are. The more common IMSAI 8080 fetches a lot more on the open market. Usually in the 4,000-6,000 dollar range. What strikes me as baffling unreasonable is the price the even more common Commodore PET fetches. Frequently over $2,000 is quite the high asking prices for something that saw a total of over 200,000 units produced. So count your lucky stars that the Mindset tends to be relatively inexpensive, especially for its rarity. It might be its obscurity that actually keeps the prices down though.
Yeah I guess because I've been collecting so long, back to a time when you couldn't give this stuff away, I find anything into 4 figures to be crazy expensive. Really there's no intrinsic value to these things. It's speculative and I think when my generation cashes out prices will probably fall a fair bit.
@@TechTimeTraveller Well I probably accidentally came upon my own answer. Demand. There's a lot of demand for PETs for example. Even among Millennials like myself(born in 1986). So that drives prices up. It wasn't even that long ago to my mind when you couldn't give a Commodore 64, or an Atari 800. Now those are starting to creep slowly towards the $500 mark and that's only going to go up. Since the other side of the demand is that stock is dwindling. Old machine die and become parts for other machines at the best of times. Never mind all the example that have just been thrown away. So sad...
What a cool find! A reminder that patience is a virtue, one which sometimes pays off in big ways, certainly here. I'll probably be cancelled among the vintage computer collector community for even daring bring this up, but with such nice industrial design like that laying to waste in one of your other unusable Mindsets, it would be neat to see a case repurposed for use with something like the Commander X16 or any one of the modern vintage recreations. As opposed to sitting on the shelf just because unobtainable parts have long since rendered a system unit otherwise unusable and pretty much spare parts. This new 100% working complete unit would look sick sitting next to a repurposed Mindset case
@@wishusknight3009 that route might be a bit of a sunk cost fallacy considering it's missing a few more bits to make it a usable working system. No foul in repurposing an otherwise useless Mindset system unit.. Sell off the mainboard to someone with a more complete unit in need of one.
@@Drmcclung Its mostly 74 logic outside of a handful of custom ic's. And the other parts are there to be documented. A logic analyzer, some test equipment and some expertise will save that from a useless retromod worth far less than even that system being broken. I would be willing to even try it myself.
@@wishusknight3009 you must have missed the part where a Mindset system unit on its own (a working one) is completely useless without the Mindset keyboard and disk unit that fits on top. What would you do with a repaired and still unusable system unit?
@@Drmcclung You must have missed the part where i said that the other parts were there to document. Anything can be reproduced and eventually will be. I can see retromoding a classic mac or breadbin, but you DONT destroy something like this, even if its unusable. They are too rare to be turned into something you can 3dprint anyhow. /smh
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Apple came out of Atari as well - it's where Jobs and Woz worked prior to founding Apple, and the rumor always was they were stealing parts from Atari for use creating the Apple I. Atari was sorta the Fairchild of the '70s and early '80s.
An interesting footnote, strange contrast in how digital video in the past struggled to stay alive and then you cut to the future and its become indispensable. In hindsight I'm surprised the drawing tablet didn't take off more in the past, things like the LJN Video Art fully demonstrate how hard it is to draw without a pen.
Well you know what's gonna happen. The Nova Scotia buyer is gonna be surfing around trying to solve a no-post one day and will land on this video. Huehuehue.
I think the Atari ST picked up a few tricks from it as well. The styling is vaguely similar, and I think the ST also sported similar graphics resolutions. The Mindset PC made a small splash when it hit the market. Unfortunately, they never had the financing to take advantage of it, and the lack of full compatibility probably helped kill it.
I didn't try that.. I'm pretty sure the pinout from the M2's 27256 is same as the M1's 27128.. and the code should be mostly similar. Hmm.. have to try this now.
I'm not an expert but basically digital RGB (think they call it RGBi also) is the type of RGB you has on classic PCs.. it can only produce 8 colors, plus intensity which yields 16 max. Analog on the other hand is not limited that way.. I think the Mindset could pull 16 colors from any of the 512 in its palette, whereas with digital rgb I think it could only pull the usual 16 PCs used.
Another lefty. The joys of being left handed we're always reminded in new ways the world wasn't made for us. Seems like that tablet wasn't made for us either.
@@TechTimeTraveller Thanks for the reply. IIRC, back in the day reviewers had an unofficial rule for what was PC compatible -- could it run off the shelf versions of Lotus 123 and Microsoft Flight Simulator? If the answer was yes to both, they would deem it compatible. Based on what you showed this video, I very much doubt it would meet that minimal unofficial 'standard'. I don't mean to be argumentative, but this would not be the machine I would have bought if compatibility were an issue.
@r0kus I'm always up for discussion. In fact Mindset did stipulate 123 was one of the key software packages they had to have working, and they listed it as compatible in their ads. However Flight Simulator was not. Mindset basically dismissed graphical games I think as irrelevant which was a huge mistake. However in my documentary video on Mindset I was surprised to find some CGA software did in fact work. It was totally hit and miss. For someone like my Dad, who would have been a buyer back then, he wouldn't have cared about the games, just Lotus and other apps, whereas with Amiga he was looking at hundreds extra to get compatibility, albeit with not great performance. He might have gone Mindset in that situation. But I think most buyers just wanted a PC that worked with all PC software, so Mindset lost out.
to be honest, why would anyone choose A1000 in the first place? It was a flop, the first successful Amiga was A500/A2000. Besides that it wasnt easy to get A1000 in 1985, the Commodore did something we call paper launch today. The mass production of A1000 really started in December 1985 and production was halted in Q2 1986 due to poor demand and risk of bankruptcy for Commodore.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Well, I bought my A1000 in 1985, before it was a "flop" and before the A500 was available. The Amiga line was not considered a flop. I was happy to see the less expensive model come out, but I don't regret being an early adopter
I so wanted this computer when it first came out but it was expensive and not a standard that could run much software. Still it was very cool at the time. Kind of a noble failure. I'd spend a thousand dollars for a working one on eBay. There's no way that Mindset manufactured 50,000 units. A couple thousand at most.
I've heard of that method but haven't really tried to apply it here.. hmm.. interesting. I've just been poring through past auctions on worthpoint wherever keyboard serials are shown and connecting that to the machine serials to establish that they form a predictable pattern.
Hopefully this is my last accidental computer purchase. Thanks to Patrons for helping make this video possible!
Doubt it lol
We are not your wife, we are not the one you need to convince that you bought it by accident. But I'm sure she's proud you didn't just click buy-now. :) As allways, great video. Thx.
Time to move up to unintentional!
That was definitely not "accidental". Looking forward to more like these.
Not a flippin' chance. More power to ya
The Mindset was such an amazing looking computer, It reminds me of a Sharp X68000 laying down to take a nap...
Miles Dyson in Terminator 2 had one on his desk.
sooo... being diskless and with no video codecs existing anyway, this thing would have been doing its magic entirely through the genlock interface on professional video equipment, right?
Yes. You wouldn't have been saving digital video files anywhere for sure due to technological limitations. The expectation was you used the computer as an intermediary, your sources were overlaid onto whatever software you were working on and the final output went to VCR or some other analog recording device.
You should probably get in touch with someone who is capable of reverse engineering that 512K expansion module. It looks to be fairly simple with off the shelf components. It should be possible to clone those like others have done with other rare cards.
For sure. I don't want other M2 owners stuck!
This system is fascinating! And I've never heard of it before! Thanks for the video!!
Many thanks for watching!
Yes! Another brilliant left handed human being..
Congrats for scoring this one .. and thanks for letting us participate!
I really wish the mister FPGA crowd would show some interest in recreating hardware representations of machines such as the mindset or Lisa so people can have a better experience of them and to archive the hardware. Seems they spend a lot of time cloning arcade game boards.
I guess it makes sense, since they're mainly porting the work that other people have already done for MAME. But yeah, I'd definitely like to see these weird chipsets emulated just like they have Amiga cores.
This video is great. Thank you!
Thank you for watching!!
You did a thing and I'm here to support it. 😁
Fun video. I had actually never heard of Mindset.
I remember an animation magazine ad back in 85-86?? It showed a prosumer grade computer that could do cel animation. i was blown away. I don't think it was amiga. I wonder if this was it!
Certainly possible. They didn't runa ton of ads because of their financial situation but they did run some.
Such a handsome design. It still looks good.
Wouldn't mind a modern PC case with similar aesthetic!
I hope these machines actually start getting cloned for posterity. FPGAs especially make that very possible now. It'd be an absolute shame to see these things go completely away as they die off of old age. While they were a complete failure in the market and exist as a footnote, they're an important foot note. I think a lot of machines that followed them simply wouldn't exist without the Mindset machines having existed in the first place.
2:40-2:51 It would be cool to see a CPLD or FPGA re-implementation of those custom chips 😎
Probably wouldn't be too hard. They already have this machine in emulation via MAME.
@@TechTimeTraveller oh that's great! Then yeah, just needs someone to port it like has happened with so many arcade boards.
Great video. I found that 80186 were used in embedded systems but never figure out that it was this pc too.
I think cathode tube ray dude has a video on this if you want to check for more info.
Wow, what a gorgeous and practical case design.
A beautiful and very interesting machine, for sure. Congratulations!
to be fair, the Oxford Comma is a *big and serious deal*
But Vampire Weekend asked who gives a fuck about an oxford comma
Thanks, I hate it
Oxford Comma Forever!!!
@@Derpy1969 unnecessary and not how people speak.
@@TheEradorthe oxford comma exactly replicates how people speak. Commas denote a small pause in speech, and when people enumerate a list, they put small pauses between each item in the list. That's what the oxford comma is.
I'm betting there are some folks out there willing to learn all they can about this machine so they can make some homebrew software for it. We got a lot of homebrew Commodore PET programs after all, so it makes sense.
I hope so. I'd love to see what can be done with the hardware fully utilized. The one complication is there are so few Mindsets out there there may not be enough of a base to really encourage new development.
Let's be fair, as a member of the 1977 Microcomputer Trinity, the Commodore PET is a lot more common. Looking at prices, the machines are bafflingly unreasonably priced for their relative commonality. They're not unobtainium like the original stock Apple ][ and Mindset for example.
Whole thing looks similar to the Sharp X68000.
Remarkably so!
Now you gotta get a Mindset III!
I really hope that doesn't exist. Can't afford more! Lol
Usually the blame for destroying vintage computers is shared by the shipping companies and the sellers that couldn't be arsed to package the items decently.
Living in nova scotia iv never heard nova scotia so many times in a video, ever 😂 but it is funny because i do often see rather expensive vintage computers on marketplace or kijiji and wonder if its the same collector. Who knows.
Nova Scotia seems to be a trend lately.. they mention it in the latest season of Only Murders in the Building. :) But yeah there seems to be a grouping of serious collectors there.. I think a bunch of Kenbak-1s turned up there a while back and then this fellow who has been unloading gear for 5 or 6 years now.
@TechTimeTraveller for a small place we do seem to get a bit of recognition here and there 😅 but I will say there is a fairly strong retro community here between gaming, PCs and arcade hardware. The stuff never seems to sit around unsold
Interesting, I've never heard of this machine, or youtuber before. Subscribed!
Many thanks!!
An interesting chat about a computer I've never heard of. What CPU was used?
Thank you. The CPU was an Intel 80186 I think clocked at 6mhz. There is a fuller documentary video I did about the machine that covers the details.. really the only things that seem to have changed with the Mindset II is the memory.
@@TechTimeTraveller Thanks for the reply. At the time I recall I was using several Z80 based machines running CPM. Ahhh, those were the days.
@@TechTimeTraveller It's so strange to see a the 80186 in action, as it really wasn't all that popular and a very niche chip. The 286 was much more popular, but it's still a relatively uncommon chip. Since things didn't really take off until the 386 which for its time was really impressive. Still so few machines used the 186 and it's really nice to see an example in action.
@@natsume-hime2473 And if anyone is wondering _why_ the 80186 didn't take off that much...
The 186 was kind of a system-on-a-chip, with a lot of the motherboard logic built in, so it could be used in embedded systems. _But,_ because it came out in 1982, it was largely designed _before_ the (1981) IBM PC got popular -- and it used different memory addresses and such than the PC for that motherboard logic.
This wasn't a problem for the few programs that worked entirely with calls to the operating system (e.g., to MS-DOS). But the IBM PC's BIOS was slow enough to be a bottleneck when using DOS this way, so MS-DOS programs often bypassed the operating system, and accessed the PC's hardware directly for better performance. Thus, 186 systems could never _quite_ be fully compatible with IBM PC software.
The Tandy 2000 was another computer that used the 80186 -- and had the same problem make it a disappointment in the marketplace. (Though it was rather less of a flop than the Mindset.)
@@natsume-hime2473 I don't think I was aware of anything with a 186 that wasn't industrial/integrated until the last couple years.
Kurta is a name I haven't heard since my university days. I had an AutoCad course to fill an elective slot and the digitizers were Kurta.
"read up on that f*king Oxford comma"
Hopefully you upload the ROMs to the Internet Archive since Google Drive links stop functioning after awhile. And upload pics of the machine there and the Retro Web.
I must admit I've never really figured out how to do that properly. I was hoping bitsavers would pick them up.
@@TechTimeTraveller ask Tech Tangents. He's dumped lots of stuff already.
Awsome job covering th Mindset computer family. What would be the chance of getting an interview with the original developers or company staff?
Unfortunately so far the only people I've found were the two developers of the Video Titler software. I've tried sending messages out to other staff names I've found but nothing so far.
@@TechTimeTraveller Thats too bad as fans like yourself help keep the memory alive and not lost to history.
Make some cool stuff with that tablet. Would love to see what's possible with the thing.
Hopefully your pics show enough of the memory cartridge that the buyer of the Nova Scotia unit can replicate it. :)
From the few listings I can find the prices on Mindset computers are really reasonably priced, considering how rare they are. The more common IMSAI 8080 fetches a lot more on the open market. Usually in the 4,000-6,000 dollar range. What strikes me as baffling unreasonable is the price the even more common Commodore PET fetches. Frequently over $2,000 is quite the high asking prices for something that saw a total of over 200,000 units produced. So count your lucky stars that the Mindset tends to be relatively inexpensive, especially for its rarity. It might be its obscurity that actually keeps the prices down though.
Yeah I guess because I've been collecting so long, back to a time when you couldn't give this stuff away, I find anything into 4 figures to be crazy expensive. Really there's no intrinsic value to these things. It's speculative and I think when my generation cashes out prices will probably fall a fair bit.
@@TechTimeTraveller Well I probably accidentally came upon my own answer. Demand. There's a lot of demand for PETs for example. Even among Millennials like myself(born in 1986). So that drives prices up. It wasn't even that long ago to my mind when you couldn't give a Commodore 64, or an Atari 800. Now those are starting to creep slowly towards the $500 mark and that's only going to go up. Since the other side of the demand is that stock is dwindling. Old machine die and become parts for other machines at the best of times. Never mind all the example that have just been thrown away. So sad...
What a cool find! A reminder that patience is a virtue, one which sometimes pays off in big ways, certainly here. I'll probably be cancelled among the vintage computer collector community for even daring bring this up, but with such nice industrial design like that laying to waste in one of your other unusable Mindsets, it would be neat to see a case repurposed for use with something like the Commander X16 or any one of the modern vintage recreations. As opposed to sitting on the shelf just because unobtainable parts have long since rendered a system unit otherwise unusable and pretty much spare parts. This new 100% working complete unit would look sick sitting next to a repurposed Mindset case
Or try to repair the nonworking machine. Custom IC's can be reverse engineered with patience.
@@wishusknight3009 that route might be a bit of a sunk cost fallacy considering it's missing a few more bits to make it a usable working system. No foul in repurposing an otherwise useless Mindset system unit.. Sell off the mainboard to someone with a more complete unit in need of one.
@@Drmcclung Its mostly 74 logic outside of a handful of custom ic's. And the other parts are there to be documented. A logic analyzer, some test equipment and some expertise will save that from a useless retromod worth far less than even that system being broken. I would be willing to even try it myself.
@@wishusknight3009 you must have missed the part where a Mindset system unit on its own (a working one) is completely useless without the Mindset keyboard and disk unit that fits on top. What would you do with a repaired and still unusable system unit?
@@Drmcclung You must have missed the part where i said that the other parts were there to document. Anything can be reproduced and eventually will be. I can see retromoding a classic mac or breadbin, but you DONT destroy something like this, even if its unusable. They are too rare to be turned into something you can 3dprint anyhow. /smh
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Many thanks!!
I'm sorry but I agree with the keyboard: oxford comma is life.
Its interesting how the mindset, amiga and atari ST all sorta came out of Atari.
Apple came out of Atari as well - it's where Jobs and Woz worked prior to founding Apple, and the rumor always was they were stealing parts from Atari for use creating the Apple I. Atari was sorta the Fairchild of the '70s and early '80s.
I really wanted one of those after I read about it back then. Too bad it flopped.
An interesting footnote, strange contrast in how digital video in the past struggled to stay alive and then you cut to the future and its become indispensable.
In hindsight I'm surprised the drawing tablet didn't take off more in the past, things like the LJN Video Art fully demonstrate how hard it is to draw without a pen.
Well you know what's gonna happen. The Nova Scotia buyer is gonna be surfing around trying to solve a no-post one day and will land on this video. Huehuehue.
Hopefully my pics of the cart will help them recreate what they need.
A friend had a Mindset with an external SCSI Hard Drive. 5 MB I think.
Man I would kill even just to see a picture of that. I think less than 100 of the hard drive cartridges were ever made.
😆so cited to watch!!!! Ahhhhh!
So no luck obtaining the joystick I take it?
I wonder if someone will eventually make adapters for Mindset.
Last joystick that sold by itself went for $600.. ulp.
Oh yes, it was gorgeous... you can imagine the Amiga A-1000 picked up a few design ideas from it ;)
Not just in looks either. There's functionality it has, which might not have been included without the Mindset machines existing first.
I think the Atari ST picked up a few tricks from it as well. The styling is vaguely similar, and I think the ST also sported similar graphics resolutions. The Mindset PC made a small splash when it hit the market. Unfortunately, they never had the financing to take advantage of it, and the lack of full compatibility probably helped kill it.
Does the version 2 rom work in the older machines?
I didn't try that.. I'm pretty sure the pinout from the M2's 27256 is same as the M1's 27128.. and the code should be mostly similar. Hmm.. have to try this now.
Can someone shed some light on that "Digital RGB" video interface? wikipedia and chatgpt are leaving me high and dry
I'm not an expert but basically digital RGB (think they call it RGBi also) is the type of RGB you has on classic PCs.. it can only produce 8 colors, plus intensity which yields 16 max. Analog on the other hand is not limited that way.. I think the Mindset could pull 16 colors from any of the 512 in its palette, whereas with digital rgb I think it could only pull the usual 16 PCs used.
@@TechTimeTraveller interesting, thank you! found your channel almost a year ago probably, i love it.
@@herzogsbuick Many thanks!! Appreciate your enjoyment of it!
Oxford Comma FOREVER!!
I miss when computers were made to be pretty. Always loved the appearance on the Mindset.
2/18 = February 18th
Date makes sense too yeah.
My employer said I don't have the right Mindset.
I said the right Mindset is rare indeed.
Is anybody hiring?
Bahaha
Another lefty. The joys of being left handed we're always reminded in new ways the world wasn't made for us. Seems like that tablet wasn't made for us either.
I can see why a collector would be interested in this now. But in 1985, why would anyone choose this thing over an Amiga 1000?
Because you could run many of the most popular PC software offerings without having to purchase 3rd party hardware.
@@TechTimeTraveller Thanks for the reply. IIRC, back in the day reviewers had an unofficial rule for what was PC compatible -- could it run off the shelf versions of Lotus 123 and Microsoft Flight Simulator? If the answer was yes to both, they would deem it compatible. Based on what you showed this video, I very much doubt it would meet that minimal unofficial 'standard'. I don't mean to be argumentative, but this would not be the machine I would have bought if compatibility were an issue.
@r0kus I'm always up for discussion. In fact Mindset did stipulate 123 was one of the key software packages they had to have working, and they listed it as compatible in their ads. However Flight Simulator was not. Mindset basically dismissed graphical games I think as irrelevant which was a huge mistake. However in my documentary video on Mindset I was surprised to find some CGA software did in fact work. It was totally hit and miss. For someone like my Dad, who would have been a buyer back then, he wouldn't have cared about the games, just Lotus and other apps, whereas with Amiga he was looking at hundreds extra to get compatibility, albeit with not great performance. He might have gone Mindset in that situation. But I think most buyers just wanted a PC that worked with all PC software, so Mindset lost out.
to be honest, why would anyone choose A1000 in the first place? It was a flop, the first successful Amiga was A500/A2000. Besides that it wasnt easy to get A1000 in 1985, the Commodore did something we call paper launch today. The mass production of A1000 really started in December 1985 and production was halted in Q2 1986 due to poor demand and risk of bankruptcy for Commodore.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Well, I bought my A1000 in 1985, before it was a "flop" and before the A500 was available. The Amiga line was not considered a flop. I was happy to see the less expensive model come out, but I don't regret being an early adopter
I so wanted this computer when it first came out but it was expensive and not a standard that could run much software. Still it was very cool at the time. Kind of a noble failure. I'd spend a thousand dollars for a working one on eBay. There's no way that Mindset manufactured 50,000 units. A couple thousand at most.
its still no use to use the driver model
Phwoar!
Dam fed ex
looks like a dud
Have you tried using en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem to estimate number of keyboards produced?
I've heard of that method but haven't really tried to apply it here.. hmm.. interesting. I've just been poring through past auctions on worthpoint wherever keyboard serials are shown and connecting that to the machine serials to establish that they form a predictable pattern.