Jim - your appearance on the Lab was terrific - such a great listen! Loving your pod - it’s always excellent, positive and full of laughs, from one of your many Australian fans!
We have a problem with getting comfortable in games and then not being able to deal with momentum shifts. The same thing happened at Leicester and it has me worried about our away games. Hopefully this is a learning curve
I fully believe and agree…Ange wanted to teach the team a lesson…and took the opinion of….this totally is due to your (players)lack of will and desire…so you guys are going to burn down with the house. Ange would be happy to wear the consequences of his actions…he’s thick skinned….but he’s trying to instil a new culture of never give up till final whistle regardless of score.
Thanks for the discussion, guys, excellent as always. On the subs question you came back to at the end, I agree with Stu we need to use the subs near to the max (leaving one for a late injury/GC change). Ange did this to great effect with Celtic - an average of three subs on about the 60 minute mark and one a bit later. I think Ange has got into the habit at Spurs of using subs less as he's had his preferred first team and a weaker squad - but with the talent now on the bench, as well as Sarr and Bissouma we could have put Dragusin and Spence on. This doesn't deal with the the attack, but we are missing Son and Odobert (and Richie if he were ever to return fit) so our options were fewer there.
Basically we're bang on par with last year in the EPL so far, based on who we've played and the home/away mix. So we're doing ok overall but hopefully the team can push on and improve on last year's effort, in addition to making some good cup runs.
We are on par in terms of points. However the performances and goals scored/conceded has improved. Still, it's the points that count. West Ham a big test as to where we are
I couldnt believe how we STOPPED pressing. That was what creates everything for us, ENERGY, and they didnt press at all , except Solanke he was still trying
I’m in the Stu camp, too. Romero is an issue for me. I’m not one for ranting or emotional decisions. But I would like Romero gone. Yes, gone. Sell him to Madrid and buy a left back, a left CB, and play Radu. A real defender. Leave space for Phillips, Dorrington, or Vuskovic, to come through. If all possible, we need a top drawer keeper to push Vic too. It’s obvious Ange doesn’t fancy Austin & Whiteman. And Forster is now too old, IMO. Also, it’s imperative, IMO, that we get a TRUE LEADER in the 6 role, in the middle of the park. For me, Sonny, Madders, & Romero aren’t leaders. I’m sorry, they’re just not. They’ve, consistently, proved that at the end of last season into this. We need a driving, demanding, tough, professional, captain at our club. And none of the aforementioned meet that profile, sadly. Who that is, I don’t know. But, surely Ange & Lange do? The reason I’m sick to death of Romero are his continual mind farts 💨 and his prioritising his international career above club. To quote Ange, “UNACCEPTABLE”. Just my opinions, which have no bearing on anything. Great show gents, love the balanced views 😊
On the subs. Ange has talked about the players finding solutions on the pitch. By delaying the subs, I think Ange was looking to see who would stand up and take responsibility. In the past Romero has been the one, but few others have. Against Brighton it is was basically no one. p.s. Ha, ha. Early question for discussion.
Bang on, and that’s the main point of the game IMO. Where was the onfield leadership when the inevitable heat came. That’s when you need people to stand up and no one did
Thanks guys. Hated that 2nd half but perhaps the break will help us regroup. If you have time in your next chat, perhaps some thoughts on whether AP sticks with Timo ahead of Mikey in the pecking order. Otherwise keep up the good work.
I always defend Ange from undue criticism but the second half was on him as far as not making subs to help change the game. The ONLY logical thing for keeping them on was he was either hoping they would turn it around or he wanted them to learn a lesson. Same as how he used the crazy Chelsea game. But lets hire that Sports Psychologist please!
We have to think that we can learn from this, we’re so close to the perfect attacking team, I trust in Ange, he’ll sort it out 💪 I hate that we lost but we’ll get better from this experience
I believe another valid point with the team….spurs are filled with so many youngsters….they individually don’t have the experience to “stand up” under pressure and fight…when it’s obvious the team is sliding backwards during a game. Players aren’t robots….so they need to be taught and trained what to do in situations like the Brighton game ….early on when the signs are looking bad.
We had some senior players in there like Vicario, Romero, Porro, Bentancur, Maddison and Solanke too. I think it was more a lack of natural leaders than it was experience per se
What doesn't help is the day Fergie came out with 'lads it Tottenham' which just feeds into the narrative if bashing this club when a capitulation occurs - i hate old red nose!
Less concerned about Ange's petulant comments after the game than I am his lack of in game response, but more worrying than that was the evidence of a cultural problem within the team. I think that completely rattled him - got some work to do
The subs (or lack of) and the explanation have left us feeling confused about his methods for the first time. I hope he explains more clearly what his thought process was. Alas, it was 1 defeat in 5. Roll on West Ham
Just out of curiosity, I wonder what constitutes a 'late' sub? While I don't disagree that the subs probably should have come earlier in this particular game, Ange does not always wait that late, or? Mostly, subs come on at the 70th minute or so, sometimes earlier, and sometimes later. With that said, the stats show that our pressing intensity usually dips at around 60 minutes (credit to Nathan A. Clark of the The Extra Inch, btw). For me, the second half debacle smelled of complacency, then not having the energy to turn it on again when required as Brighton stepped up their game in second half. I've said this elsewhere, but for all his limitations, a player like Hojbjerg would have helped in this regard, for his leader qualities alone. Hopefully, someone can step up and become that (but I don't really know who!).
Brighton made adjustments at half time, Notably in the left wing position. Ange didnt see this or adjust his tactics to counter act this. This has been highlighted by Danny Murphy and other tactics show. This is a big problem with ange, he dosent seem proactive enough during a game. He sets up the team and thats it, Even when the other teams manager makes adjustments. That will be his downfall unless ( doubtfully) he changes
Brightons second half game plan was spot on. They got it right. However I do agree with Ange that it wasn't tactics that cost us the game. It was pathetic and complacent defending. None of those goals were due to a high line
Jim - your appearance on the Lab was terrific - such a great listen! Loving your pod - it’s always excellent, positive and full of laughs, from one of your many Australian fans!
Ah thanks for the kind message 😊 Flav is awesome. He said he'd come on our show soon so stay tuned for that one. Hope you have a great week! - Jim
We have a problem with getting comfortable in games and then not being able to deal with momentum shifts. The same thing happened at Leicester and it has me worried about our away games. Hopefully this is a learning curve
I fully believe and agree…Ange wanted to teach the team a lesson…and took the opinion of….this totally is due to your (players)lack of will and desire…so you guys are going to burn down with the house. Ange would be happy to wear the consequences of his actions…he’s thick skinned….but he’s trying to instil a new culture of never give up till final whistle regardless of score.
Changing the culture is harder than changing players. It's why he needs more patience from our fans
I agree that's what he wanted to do, but it's also bad management. That's not how you win games. It's also not better for the long term
Thanks for the discussion, guys, excellent as always. On the subs question you came back to at the end, I agree with Stu we need to use the subs near to the max (leaving one for a late injury/GC change). Ange did this to great effect with Celtic - an average of three subs on about the 60 minute mark and one a bit later. I think Ange has got into the habit at Spurs of using subs less as he's had his preferred first team and a weaker squad - but with the talent now on the bench, as well as Sarr and Bissouma we could have put Dragusin and Spence on. This doesn't deal with the the attack, but we are missing Son and Odobert (and Richie if he were ever to return fit) so our options were fewer there.
Yep, missing Son and Odobert has been underplayed. It really limited our options in the second half
Basically we're bang on par with last year in the EPL so far, based on who we've played and the home/away mix. So we're doing ok overall but hopefully the team can push on and improve on last year's effort, in addition to making some good cup runs.
definitely, I am still positive that our trajectory is on the way up & at the end of 38 games our position will be ok.
We are on par in terms of points. However the performances and goals scored/conceded has improved. Still, it's the points that count. West Ham a big test as to where we are
I couldnt believe how we STOPPED pressing. That was what creates everything for us, ENERGY, and they didnt press at all , except Solanke he was still trying
Yep, very frustrating. Ange was in disbelief
Great sensible show as usual. Jim from Melbourne
I'm in the Stu camp...Romero has been directly at fault for drifting off and losing his man. Vardy, Gabriel and now Welbeck.
So we are at 1-0 to Stu so far!
I’m in the Stu camp, too. Romero is an issue for me. I’m not one for ranting or emotional decisions. But I would like Romero gone. Yes, gone. Sell him to Madrid and buy a left back, a left CB, and play Radu. A real defender. Leave space for Phillips, Dorrington, or Vuskovic, to come through.
If all possible, we need a top drawer keeper to push Vic too. It’s obvious Ange doesn’t fancy Austin & Whiteman. And Forster is now too old, IMO.
Also, it’s imperative, IMO, that we get a TRUE LEADER in the 6 role, in the middle of the park. For me, Sonny, Madders, & Romero aren’t leaders. I’m sorry, they’re just not. They’ve, consistently, proved that at the end of last season into this.
We need a driving, demanding, tough, professional, captain at our club. And none of the aforementioned meet that profile, sadly. Who that is, I don’t know. But, surely Ange & Lange do?
The reason I’m sick to death of Romero are his continual mind farts 💨 and his prioritising his international career above club. To quote Ange, “UNACCEPTABLE”. Just my opinions, which have no bearing on anything.
Great show gents, love the balanced views 😊
On the subs.
Ange has talked about the players finding solutions on the pitch.
By delaying the subs, I think Ange was looking to see who would stand up and take responsibility.
In the past Romero has been the one, but few others have. Against Brighton it is was basically no one.
p.s. Ha, ha. Early question for discussion.
That's a good observation. Well, they certainly failed his leadership test!
Bang on, and that’s the main point of the game IMO. Where was the onfield leadership when the inevitable heat came. That’s when you need people to stand up and no one did
Thanks guys. Hated that 2nd half but perhaps the break will help us regroup. If you have time in your next chat, perhaps some thoughts on whether AP sticks with Timo ahead of Mikey in the pecking order. Otherwise keep up the good work.
Son should be back fortunately so he will start. I think with Odobert out, Moore might get starts on the RW in the EL & Werner on the LW.
Yes, perhaps the break is good timing. Although it's painful having to wait for the next one when the only real tonic is 3 points
Some of our guys clearly need a giant wake up call and I think.that's exactly what they'll get when they get back after the international break.
Hope so!
This loss is on the senior players. They need to show leadership when the heat is on. They utterly failed this time
Agree
I always defend Ange from undue criticism but the second half was on him as far as not making subs to help change the game. The ONLY logical thing for keeping them on was he was either hoping they would turn it around or he wanted them to learn a lesson. Same as how he used the crazy Chelsea game. But lets hire that Sports Psychologist please!
We could do with a leadership coach too 😅
We have to think that we can learn from this, we’re so close to the perfect attacking team, I trust in Ange, he’ll sort it out 💪
I hate that we lost but we’ll get better from this experience
I believe another valid point with the team….spurs are filled with so many youngsters….they individually don’t have the experience to “stand up” under pressure and fight…when it’s obvious the team is sliding backwards during a game. Players aren’t robots….so they need to be taught and trained what to do in situations like the Brighton game ….early on when the signs are looking bad.
We had some senior players in there like Vicario, Romero, Porro, Bentancur, Maddison and Solanke too. I think it was more a lack of natural leaders than it was experience per se
What doesn't help is the day Fergie came out with 'lads it Tottenham' which just feeds into the narrative if bashing this club when a capitulation occurs - i hate old red nose!
I think they were complacent and took their eye off the ball. Won't happen again. Ange will make sure it doesn't. You could see he was livid.
@@gregrobinson2394 agree Greg, it was complacency and arrogance. Felt sorry for Ange. The players let him down
Less concerned about Ange's petulant comments after the game than I am his lack of in game response, but more worrying than that was the evidence of a cultural problem within the team. I think that completely rattled him - got some work to do
The subs (or lack of) and the explanation have left us feeling confused about his methods for the first time. I hope he explains more clearly what his thought process was. Alas, it was 1 defeat in 5. Roll on West Ham
I have been advocating dropping Romero for Radu all season, I am team Stu.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder what constitutes a 'late' sub? While I don't disagree that the subs probably should have come earlier in this particular game, Ange does not always wait that late, or? Mostly, subs come on at the 70th minute or so, sometimes earlier, and sometimes later. With that said, the stats show that our pressing intensity usually dips at around 60 minutes (credit to Nathan A. Clark of the The Extra Inch, btw). For me, the second half debacle smelled of complacency, then not having the energy to turn it on again when required as Brighton stepped up their game in second half. I've said this elsewhere, but for all his limitations, a player like Hojbjerg would have helped in this regard, for his leader qualities alone. Hopefully, someone can step up and become that (but I don't really know who!).
Pollyannaish is my word of the day
😅
Small bump or train wreck? I'm hoping it's a bump.
@@MrHowsabouthathen It feels like a train wreck now but it will be seen as a small bump at the end of the season. COYS
just a bump, terrible 2nd half for both the players & the manager, but Brighton are a very good side.
Brighton made adjustments at half time, Notably in the left wing position. Ange didnt see this or adjust his tactics to counter act this. This has been highlighted by Danny Murphy and other tactics show.
This is a big problem with ange, he dosent seem proactive enough during a game. He sets up the team and thats it, Even when the other teams manager makes adjustments. That will be his downfall unless ( doubtfully) he changes
Brightons second half game plan was spot on. They got it right. However I do agree with Ange that it wasn't tactics that cost us the game. It was pathetic and complacent defending. None of those goals were due to a high line
who the hell is aRnge? and yes, romero needs some bench time to r & r himself for a few weeks