Gear Failure On The Appalachian Trail
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Not many things will drive me off the Appalachian Trail but this is one gear failure that will especially in the cold.
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Hi Will,
Greetings from Canada, that looked very similar to the hiking I often see. I have a few tips, that may help you in your next snowy adventure.
1 - in extreme weather, carry a few extra safety precautions. My sleeping pad came with a little sealant kit. Last time I got hit with a leak I got my pad wet, found the bubbles and sealed it. I knew the general area to look because I could hear a very faint sound.
2 - plan b when your pad is unsalvageable is to gather a pile of brush and put that under your pad to insulate. A branch bed or pine pile are great. Try not to move around much in bed, because this is hard on your tent floor. I bring duct tape around my poles to repair tent floor. This bed takes time, but is not optional in colder weather, the ground steals too much heat.
3 - carry a second pair of socks. At night keep socks, water filter (if you use one, I don't bother in winter) and electronics in quilt with you (I use a bag, but I'm old school I guess). Wear dry socks under damp hiking socks and sleep. Damp socks will dry slightly overnight and stay warm.
4 - I cannot overstate the hot nalgene bottle trick. The heat helps with drying, makes me way more comfortable and I like to press it against extremities. I personally can't seem to fall asleep in the negatives very easily, but the bottle heats up the bag above 0 long enough for me to fall asleep and then I can stay asleep. Have not tried hot rock route, too many stories of melted gear.
5 - don't be afraid to double or even triple up insulation layer for night
6 - when I stop for lunch, or to set camp my first step is to layer up before I cool down and then eat, or whatever
7 - mornings are hard psychologically for me. I setup a reward system for myself. Each time I'm ready to go before the sun is up I give myself a reward. I then often hike wearing my extra layers for 20-30m before shedding them.
8 - in winter I use a heavier stove. The water supplies can be covered under a layer of ice and snow, you are best off just using snow for water.
I hope your next journey is a successful and more comfortable experience.
Winter hiking is definitely heavier, and more dangerous, but if you prepare well it can be very fun.
+spadam0 thanks for the great info and pointers. 👍
too many people make the lightness of gear a higher priority than the usefullness of it in extream conditions. shead unnecessary weight like that 10 0z beard. and carry a zero degree Sleeping bag. try not to flirt with hypothermia with equipment that seems to flaunt the laws of nature and tempt Providence.
When you inflate your pads with your mouth in sub freezing temps the moisture from your breath can form ice crystals and that could cause all kinds of failure to include what happened to you as well as puncture.
Most instructive video. I recently had a similar delamination and seam failure with a Neoair Xtherm, although I didn't have to endure freezing cold. I had multiple micro leaks on the seams around the upper chest area. The pad was five years old with moderate use. Fortunately MEC (Mountain Equipment COOP) has an excellent return policy, and a new pad is on the way.
The failure is called “delamination” and it also happened to me. Thermarest replaces mine for free.
Great video. Excellent opportunity - 2K+ foot climb, cold, wet - to tell us about the breathe-ability of the Vertice Rain jacket. Please, how wet was your shirt underneath? Did you have the pit-zips open? After all day in rain/snow, did the jacket wet-out? Will look forward to info - thinking seriously about a new jacket and looking at all options.
Always great to be part of your adventures...even when they don't go as planned. Thanks so much.
Omg, your pad is pregnant. Therm-a-babies!
Octo-pad!!! Reality TV show coming!
I’m from front royal va & your footage of the snow with the fall leaves is just heartwarming .. but I know you had to be cold!!
I recently had a sleeping pad failure on a 1-nighter at Tray Mountain on the AT in north Georgia. If anyone hasn't experienced that, let me say one word about it: MISERABLE!
With pads, there's light and there's too light. I've had too many baffles go, and when it's cold and remote that's no joke. The Sea to Summit Etherlight range uses a higher-end baffle system that doesn't fail in the field - a better valve too. It's a bit heavier than a ThermaRest, but warmer, quieter and more comfortable. In my view, well worth an extra few grams.
You look ultra healthy right now. I can't wait to see what's next. Thanks for sharing.
That's why on cold hikes where there isn't much natural ground isolation, I always bring a small CCF pad in addition to my small NeoAir. Doesn't weigh much more than 100 grams but adds safety, warmth, prevents slipping, doubles as sit pad, and protects the inflatable as well. But I can see how for a thru hike I wouldn't want to be hauling that along either. Things like that can happen, hope you'll be back on the trail soon. Thanks for sharing!!
Hey! I'm from NFL too. It's a pain having to drive so far for some good hiking. Gonna hit the Pine Mountain Trail over thanksgiving. Keep it up!
Bummer it looked beautiful out there. I use the Klymit V Ultralite SL and also another Insulated version. To bad you did'nt have a 1/4 inch thick closed cell foam ground liner for a little backup. It may have got you through.
Yep, like the Relags Kanchen Junga I always carry as a back-up and a great break and campsite pad.
Multiple factors. Could have moved tent to spot with thicker layer of leaves. Could have built up matt of small pine boughs to insulate sleeping bag and put failed pad over that. Would have built a fire to improve spirit and rethink situation. Maybe same result and abandon hike or improvise and move on. You had a thin quilt I think. Lots of lessons learned from comments below. Thanks for posting your video. My 1/2 inch think Army Surplus pad is a little heavy, very bulky, but is great for winter. I have extensive 20 degree and below winter experience in Wisconsin. Keep reading, keep learning and camp more. I think most of us will remember what happened to you.
We always appreciate the experience and honesty, thank you for that. Happy New Years, Scars.
No shame in stopping anything. Stuff happens just go with the flow. Awesome views and thanks for sharing man!! Really trail video of the snowy forest. Thanks for showing us!!!!
Hey Will, did you think about dropping back to Hot Springs and picking up a new mattress at Bluff Mountain Outfitters. Daniel could have then shuttled you back to Max Patch. You would have only lost a day, maybe be less?
Wesley Rawlins I was on too tight of a schedule to spend a day hiking back. Don’t know the guys at the outfitter so had no idea that they would be willing to drive me an hour back to the trail. Had to do 20s everyday. Reschedule made more sense.
One of the down sides to any blow-up pad, leaks. I used this same pad during my AT hike in 2015, loved it. This failure may have happened b/c of the water freezing in side the pad. Doesn't take long for small amounts of water to build-up inside just from blowing an air pad up...
Ouch! Sorry to hear about your gear failure. But glad you made it out safe.
-ATB Adam 🐢
fantastic video! NEVER STOP “NEVER STOPPING”!
Pretty green still compared to the North. It takes a while for the colors to pop more in the South.
I’m not doing inflatable pads anymore. Closed cell foam works for me.
This has happened to every self inflateing mat I have owned ( both Thermarest and cheaper brands) only problems I have had with neoairs and Trekker mats is leaking due to the baffles having pin hole leaks were they have delaminated . It's happened to all three I own. These mats are like sleeping on clouds but they just don't last and will always fail when you are using them so miles from home. Been looking at going back to just foam ( currently carry a thin foam mat as back up) as carrying two mats is just to much weight unless it's winter.
I am somehow satisfied to hear when others have failed hikes..but sorry it happened on your hike
.Life is so busy, I plan for months for my hike only to have a failure happen, and have to come off trail as a result....its very disheartening. But it is always educational at the same time, I always walk away learning something new, and I am always excited for the "next" opportunity to fail...or succeed!
It was only a one day hike back to the outfitter in town.
Will I really do love your videos, I've been following you for a while now and you always inspire me to get outside
Closed Cell foam pad, yes a bit bulky but does not require air.
10th Mountain training. Boots (shoes) off and inside the bottom of the sleeping bag. Also place clothing and layer them inside the sleeping bag for padding and warmth.
Sorry to hear of your setback. It is great to see you back on the AT and the 4k camera footage looks awesome. I suppose if you are out there enough, a setback like this is bound to happen eventually...
What are you using for video editing software? I'm looking to learn to do some editing, maybe some basic title screens, and some audio overlay. Your production is always well done and tasteful. Thanks!
Your (red) beard is blazing! Epic! You did the right thing. You'd freeze in those temps at those elevations. Looking forward to the BMT thru videos!
I really enjoyed this video Will. Did you find out where the leak was? Actually, I am looking to purchase a new pad and have been looking at the Xlite, Nemo Tensor and the REI Flash. I am a section hiker on the AT and generally do not do any winter hiking in very cold weather. Thanks
Maybe this was answered in a subsequent video....but I am curious as I carry this exact sleeping pad...(1) Did Thermarest stand behind it? And (2) Was there a determination as to why it happened? My guess is that perhaps ice crystals resulting from moisture in your breath formed in the pad .....perhaps just the age and length of time that you used it on the AT. It certainly speaks to using a closed-cell pad when hiking in those kinds of temperatures. I appreciate your willingness to share your failures equally with your successes.....2nd star to the right....keep on keepin’ on, brother!
Hi Will. I'm curious what was your start date? Too bad with the NeoAir, this happens more often with self inflating mattresses. Looking forward to Benton MacKaye Trail video!
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing your adventure on the Appalachian Trail!
I'm a combat injured vet who has had a stroke a couple years back.. I never give up and I'm back on my feet and working everyday..my bucket list is to hike the Appalachian trail. I've wanted to every since I was a kid of 9 or 10 years old. My question is this...if I'm hiking on a tight budget...not counting gear...how much money should I have before starting? Just a rough guesstimation please. I'm hoping to start either this April or if I need more cash..next at the latest. I will be hiking northbound..do not know if that matters..but would like some kind of idea.
man those snow shots are awesome. Loved that little town. What a great capture of the trails beauty
This type of failure can and does happen to every kind of inflatable pad. The last time I ever fully depended on such a pad was hiking in some French mountains. It was an ultralight Exped pad that developed a leak I couldn‘t find. Same story of freezing on the ground for a night with zero sleep. Lost nearly a day getting down to where I could hitch and get a new pad, and stupidly carried the defective one, too, so I could later get it fixed or replaced. As it turned out, it was a few weeks past the warrantee cut-off and Exped said they could only repair it against a charge that would have amounted to nearly the cost of a new pad, shipping included. So I ditched it. And ever since, if any trip depends on being out in the wilderness with no chance of restocking, I take a secondary (survival) pad along: the Relags Kanchen Junga. It rolls up and fits on top of my pack, and is perfect for taking breaks and stretching out, lounging around the campsite, using beneath my pack when I pack up in the morning, and - best of all - using underneath my NeoAir Xlite (or Xtherm, depending on conditions) as added insulation and protection from punctures. And the thing only weighs about 140 g, so probably a lot less than that liner you took, despite it having multiple purposes, the main one being to get me through the night (or several nights) if my comfy pad dies. Sure, it wouldn‘t be that warm or that comfy, but I would be able to continue my journey. I highly recommend taking such a foam pad along as an insurance policy on hikes far away from civilization, like when I spent 5 days alone in the Dovrefjell mountains of Norway with no restocking possible anywhere. As great as inflatables are, especially for side-sleepers, it doesn‘t make sense to rely on them not failing. So good that your video might serve as a wake-up call to many.
Relags Kanchen Junga is a closed-cell foam mat. CCF's used in conjunction of inflatable mats help reduce conductive heat loss inherit to inflatables.
I use a TAR Ridgerest with my TAR Xlite and I'm a happy sleeper.
Snow covered fall colors look so amazing.
Just finished the Appalachian trail this year trail name was cruise control loved every minute of it started February 19th so I know what that cold weather feels like
The Amateur did you finish? I was following your vids, then they just stopped.
Yes I finish just didn't want to film anymore was hiking with my trail family and didn't want to lag behind
Well congrats on the accomplishment! I'm envious.
I have the same pad. It developed a leak while I was in the Adirondack’s on my Mt. Marcy hike. Not fun patching a pad a 2:30AM.
The pad is light, but not very durable.
You can always take the pad when you go to take a bath next and put it in the tub. Where ever the bubbles shoot out is your leak. Then just patch it up.
Wow, that was intense. Falling trees and limbs, ice, snow. I'm glad you are alright.
I see you mention the Zpacks synthetic jacket. Will it come in more then just one weight insulation? And second will it come with a hood? Elastic adjustable waist would be nice. And hello Will. Have not commented in a while. Good to see ya. See you are still using those waterproof socks.
Hey Redbeard good to see you back on the A T, what a bummer that happened well maybe wasn't ment to be yet, hope all is well and see you on the trail, tally-ho.
It's too bad the pad failed on you Will. Waking up cold sucks!!! Fortunately we get to learn from these experiences. Going ultralight has it's risks, and planning a backup can be a good thing, even if it adds a little weight. A long piece of reflectix for that cold weather campin' only weighs about half a pound, and would have kept you on the trail. Happy trails Brother.
I use a airless foam pad and it keeps me insulated down to zero.
First- outstanding video! Love the terrain info! Second- did your sleep pad freeze? Or was this just a fluke? Third- would frozen pack and shoes would be standard in snow camping?
In winter camping, either you put your boots (in a plastic bag) in the bottom of your sleeping bag, or you at least take out the shoelaces and put them in your sleeping bag. If you don't and they freeze up--no shoes for you. Nasty surprise. Waxing or oiling the laces may prevent that too.
Have fun on the Ocala section of the FT. I just did that 70 mile section recently. It’s a good one. I live near the Clearwater Lake Trailhead at the southern end of that section. If y’all need a shuttle or something, lemme know.
I went Nobo out of Hot Springs on Oct 7th. Water sources were really dry at that time. The struggle was real. I also, oddly, had a catastrophic sleeping pad failure.
damn i didn't think it would be that cold and snowy already, i'm planning to sobo next year prob being there around that same time, may have to reevaluate my clothes and stuff. all i have is a 25 degree top quilt 25 degree under quilt and sleeping pad in between. if i get the right clothes tho i should be good
j gil. I live about 15 miles from Bluff Mountain. I've seen snow here in September. It's currently just after midnight 4/8/18 and 27° here in this sheltered valley at about 2600 ft and had light snow 3 hours ago. The weather here has no respect for calendars lol.
I guess you were pretty much over the trip after that night and didn't want to hitch back to Hot Springs and buy a new pad at the outfitter you walked past? Thanks for the video. Looking fwd to the next hike and hopefully a preview video on the new Zpacks jacket.
Love your videos. It's great that you share your hiking successes, as well as your failures.
I love the Benton MacKaye Trail. It's my favorite trail and I usually do 2-3 backpacking trips on the BMT each year. I think the BMT is probably what the AT was 50 - 60 years ago.
As you know, weather can do anything that time of the year. Last winter I got caught post holing in knee deep snow and single digits on top of Big Frog Mountain. It was crazy.
If you don't have it yet, be sure to get Sgt Rock's guidebook. Enjoy the trip!
Thanks! Yeah this winter is gonna be a rough one on the east coast with the polar vortex etc.
Oh man that freaks me out a little. I’ve seen Big Agnes pads do that quite a few times but never the xlite. Judging by the color and the sheen of the material it looks like you have one of the earlier versions. The one I currently have (got it a couple weeks ago) is more of an orange color and feels more like fabric than that yellow rubbery stuff that they used before. I guess I will cross my fingers because once you use the xlite nothing else will do.
+Cody Moldovan I think you are good. It should last a while.
Sorry to hear about your sleeping pad failure. I use a solid pad...read another comment that someone uses both...I'll borrow that idea! Your video on the trail was fantastic. Thank you!
thanks for the awesome vids Wil....are you going to pick up PCT where you left off?
eventually yes. But in '18 Im thru hiking the Long Trail, the Anna Purna Circuit, the Benton MacKaye Trail and most likely the Colorado Trail so the PCT will have to wait a bit.
I live in a tropical climate too. Do you feel the weather shock more do you think?
Man this is why I always sleep on a foam zrest. I'm always scared that an inflatable pad is going to bust.
that would be impossibly cold in the winter temps he was in
AM D I've slept in conditions that cold with my Zrest foam pad. It's not impossible. I was actually pretty comfortable (I had a good sleeping bag and adequate clothing). This isn't a criticism of Redbeard at all. He's a well prepared and experienced backpacker. I respect him and his gear choices. It's just not what I would choose.
That doesn't add up with common experiences. The insulation from a Z rest is minimal and your sleeping bag doesn't help keep you warm much when it's compressed below you.
Didnt realize how lucky i was when i thru hiked from june-dec 24. Only hit snow twice and one below 0F . Should have invested in the silver pad, seems thicker and way warmer. Hope you had some tablets for water, once it hits freezing sawyers stop working.
my thermorest has gone and gone for over 30 years! has been everywhere: beach mountains backpacking car camping concrete floors, snow rock pinestraw, summer camp cots; i weight close to 400. never patched! my only gear beakdown was my 30 year old Italian boots i duct taped them til the end of trail. resoled gave them to a needy scout. my $200+ boots gave me outstanding performance with little proper care! Pay the man; for good reliable gear. Not a cheap person. Also, i eat steak at every outing.
doooood, that is some cold wet snot! Never a good time for cold wet snot, but with the added failure, that's a double whammy. Glad you're warmed up now. :)
Sooooo glad I gave up inflatables many many years ago!!! Don't know why you don't use a hammock and get off the ground especially when there's lots of trees!!
I just don’t sleep good in hammocks. I’m a stomach sleeper.
Isn't there a perfectly good outfitter in Hot Springs? Walk back and spend the night in a motel. Then get a ride back close to where you are.
I have work and didn’t have time sadly but thanks for the tips. 👍
Kale Gap is the name of the place you camped at. There is a section of barbed wire fence on your left as you climb south up Walnut Mountain so I'm thinking it was old farmland. I'll bet you were wicked bummed about having to cut your hike short. I have the exact same sleeping pad. Fortunately I am not a cold weather backpacker so if it failed I would still be ok.
I wish z packs made sleeping pads...theres nothing worse than this failure...good footage though..
Oh man, that sucks. I use to carry both foam and inflatable pad but now only carry my neo air xtherm and a 1'2 pad section of Reflectix plus my tiny z seat. I don't know if I could get by in that temp if my inflatable died, in hot weather I don't bring the Reflectix. Question, if you were spending a few weeks on the trail and had the time planed, why not just get off the trail, get a new pad and get back on and just chop your trip a few days worth of mileage short? Enjoyed your video, look forward to more videos,.. thanks
Crazy weather... wet and cold.. to frozen.
I was out that weekend myself at the GA/NC boarder. It wasn't as bad there... but everything still froze.
I had my xlite spring a leak while on a section hike just before max patch few years back ....luckily was in July...cascade Designs has great customer support. They let me upgrade to a xtherm by simply paying difference as already bought another xlite. Great company....
FYI I noticed you were using 30fps but for 4K video i've found that on a slower connection (about 20 to 25mbits) 24 fps video works better and have less buffering issues. Good luck with future trips.
This is why you should alway use a self-inflating pad or foam pad. Kit that has one use and can fail so bad it's bad kit
Hey Redbeard love all your videos!!! Wanted to ask you how you edit on your hikes or do you wait till you are back to edit?
+Data Geek on trail I use my iPhone and iMovie but most editing happens at home using Final Cut Pro. The problem from trail is upload internet speed for huge 1080p and 4k files. Takes too much time.
i really love you're videos... could you PLEASE do a video on you're favorite cold weather clothing ..
Sorry your trip got cut short but that synthetic jacket though. Blue ventum fabric and I'm guessing 2.5 oz/sqyd climashield apex. Looks like a raglan sleeve cut so ya'll probably tweaking that or the hood. Looks nice, hope it is out soon
If you want to jump directly to the gear failure section of this video, it's at 24:29.
Should have went back to the Hot Springs Outfitter and then got a ride back
mrairborneranger87 maybe it was just tooooooo cold??
I wonder if the heat of Florida has anything to do with this? I once left a pair of Montrail trail runners in my car for a few hours during a heat wave only to find the soles had separated from the shoe. Florida is a pretty hot and humid state and it doesn’t take much before a car turns into an oven.
was there an up-date video?
What dates are you doing the FT in Ocala? Maybe I'll bump into you. I'm doing a down and back "Ocala Thru" in December.
Rodman to Clearwater and back.
Delamination. Usually caused by moisture in the mat. I'm guessing the cold conditions could have contributed. If you regularly blow your mat up with your breath rather than the pump sack this will happen sooner rather than later. It's tricky with these mats not to give it a couple extra puffs of breath just to get them nice and firm. Thankfully Thermarest have some of the best customer service in the business. It's why I often stick with Cascade Design brands like thermarest ans MSR.
A.W. R-C ,it's not moisture is the design of the pad I have gone through two leaking around the baffles design faults due to the bonding.Thermarest is great as they just replace it no question but cold comfort when your miles from home I now carry a light foam mat as back up as the neoair is like sleeping on a cloud so going back to a foam mat on its own is way too hard
@@allwaysinquire6212 Delamination is usually caused by moisture getting into the mat. Faults in the delamination can contribute or be the primary cause but I was advised by Cascade Designs that inflating mats by mouth can cause mould to build up in the mat and delamination. That being said everyone does it from time to time and you basically have to give a top up breath to get the more modern inflatable mats to the right firmness. Leaking around the baffles is a different fault to the form of delamination in the video.
That may work for self inflaters but how come i have seen my mates mat fail when its only ever inflated by a bag? I am not knocking thermarest there mats are the best out there hands down still dosent mean they are fool proof and i never trust what most manufactures sprout about why there gear fail as i have caught out a few top brands telling porkys. The fact is if i was going somewere thats extreme i wouldnt take my neoair.
@@allwaysinquire6212 " how come i have seen my mates mat fail when its only ever inflated by a bag?" There are a lots of factors that could contribute. Humidity in the air, temperature, variations in manufacturing, defects, the way the mat is stored, its age, etc. As I said though it's pretty normal for people to fill it with a bag and then give it a quick top up for firmness by mouth. Sometimes mats do just delaminate. I saw loads of Kathmandu mats do it, and that was mostly just because of the quality of the mats.
@@control1922 ha ha use to work for them. It just go to show even Thermarest cant quite get them bombproof. I like my neoair just not keen on how long they last considering the cost ( they probably make them for under $20 us i can guess by how much cheap ones cost wholesale) thats the thing with ultralight you need to replace gear so much more regular
I like to be ultralite but I carry a Thermarest Z-lite foam pad AND an inflatable pad on top for cold weather. Not fond of freezing to death over carrying another 14oz.
+Supertramp Goes Wild smart decision. I might have to do the same thing. But over 5,000 miles of using the neo air the last 3 years and never had an issue until this. I kind of like my odds.
That's pretty good performance stats. It's a shame it stopped your hike and cost so much.
I know you missed Max Patch. I just uploaded a video from Max Patch I shot Sunday. Check out the views and colors If you can!
I would agree that the two pad is a good idea. It would add warmth to the extra cold ground. I also think it would be more effective than the sleeping bag liner. After all you body's weight would eliminate any insulation on the bottom.
Evidence that no matter the cost of one's gear failures still happen. Doesn't mean the gear is bad just a reminder that any gear can be problematic.
Well I saw a picture of a mountaineer in a recent issue of The Alpinist who recently passed away who used rocks as pillows...
As a Canadian, hearing you say “snow skiing” was amusing 🇨🇦😊.
James Katz from Florida, ya gotta differentiate or the think you're talking water skiing.
Two expensive sleeping pads failed me, and no more. Ordinary Heavy Duty mat is enough. Wool socks over arificial. Yout shoes... bro, really? Leather high boots- is a MUST.
Yeah Pad failure sucks. How are you liking that 4k Camera? I own the As200V Cam but i`m thinking about a upgrade on my Southbound PCT hike next year
RusticOutdoors . What month are you leaving Sobo?
I`m going to try and shoot for June - 21, but you never know the snow melt.. but that`s my ideal time.
Buy a NEMO pad.
Below freezing introduce warm air. Don’t lick the flagpole. Also tennis shoes in cold weather not smart.
You think it had anything to do with the condensation in your breath? Anyway let us know! Take care
possibly, I've heard that lots. But I have always blown it up this way and never had issues.
Benton mckaye trail in January.....I’d be taking a 0-5 degree rated sleeping bag minimum. Good luck, looking forward to your report.
+MrWinger1951 I’ll be taking a 5 degree. 👍
Great looking...winter wonderland like video!
Did the ice from your breath tear it up maybe
Thim Bales ......Bingo!
this happened to my girlfriend's thermarest evolite. We were also in cold conditions 20 or lower and snowing, so it might have been a bit wet and I might have put a lot of weight on a certain part of it at one moment moving over it, but it is no excuse. she had only used that pad for a couple of months and maybe a dozen nights. 20 at the most. they returned it where we bought it, but i hate to see this happen to you too since i just bought an Xtherm. Did they ever replace it?
They would have but I’m lazy and just bought a new one.
They will totally replace that pad no questions asked. Great company.
Made a good choice not to continue. No need to go through a ton of discomfort. Hiking is supposed to be enjoyable. Even though you will experience different discomforts while hiking, not worth that type of discomfort/risk.
Bad luck man...thanks for the vid
a little bushcraft backup plan two heavy duty trash bags to fill with leaves
I was thinking the same thing, but wet anything is hard to work with. ??
You would risk hypotermia. Frozen leafs inside garbage bags would become wet and cold. And suck to much body heat away from you.
Snow wasn't that deep could have knocked off the snow covered leaf layer and got the dry leafs in between to put into the bags,,, And it would have been ZZZZZZ rest.
I knew it wouldn’t be a zpacks product
Hi from Holland! Which size of the rain jacket do you have?
chickens, lots of chickens
Yep had that happen to me once and I have also forgotten my sleeping pad once.... miserable