ANOTHER Kickstarter Camera (the Fragment 8)
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2020
- Check out Boston Schulz' Fragment 8 FULL Camera Review Here:
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Thanks for the review, i was looking at it months ago...thought in concept it was kind of cool, but had a gut feeling it was going to fail. Thanks for the warning!. Should take it apart, would love to see the insides.
I can smell the fine Corinthian leather from here
"I don't understand why they didn't do so many things"... story of my life lol
wow you got hosed man!! Looks great though soooo there's that
Total bummer dude! Thanks for the video!
Thank you! I got so many ads of it on Instagram and I was so close to buying it. I just didn’t because i knew I could buy those little filters on eBay for 15 dollars.
But I was still curious because I liked the idea, but now I’m glad I didn’t buy it because it’s so expensive for what it is.
I bought an action camera that had a smashed lens, that I intended on rehousing in an 8mm body, but I haven't gotten around to it.
Never got any problem with mine, but my 2 last Iphones broke after a few weeks...
you're so crafty!
The diy version is just perfect. xD
Thanks for the insightful film with a hint of irony. I also ordered this camera from Indiegogo. I'm from Poland and there's a non-tracking package sent to Europe so it can now be anywhere. I hope to get the camera this year. Greetings from Poland. Stay healthy. 😎
Channeling your inner cat, having more fun with the box, then what came in it.
I love this!!! Hahahahaha. Great vid
A great idea, the one who improves its implementation will be a genius!
Well now I'm *really* looking forward to Lou's in-depth review 😂😂
definitely lower your expectations hahahah
DUDE I'M DYING OVER YOUR INITIAL FOOTAGE!! SO GOOD. I'm still laughing!! 😂 Why does yours look so much fancier than mine?
Also, YES, take it apart. I took mine apart to fix the clip on the side...and it's a joke how simplistic the actual electronics are.
That silver and tan makes it look extra fancy. lol Thanks for watching!
I also bought an 8mm kid camera. I don't know how it is moving.
I have been using an 8mm film camera for a long time and have a lot of nostalgia.
This camera is totally messed up as you say. Your video was informative.
Respect the enormous BM at the end
Fool me once (VHS CAMCORDER VIDEO), fool me twice ... not this time : )
Tom Foolery... first!
Those opening shots are beautiful. Shame about how crap that camera is! Love that end montage music, think I’ve heard it somewhere else... 😜
Well - at least it would make a cool prop? Or a conversation piece? Or something for the nieghborhood kids to use for batting practice? Well - probably with whatever money ya spent ya wouldnt go with the batting practice. It really does look cool! I can empathize with ya on this deal. The no-audio is a puzzler, and YES! Take it apart and see its innerds. WHOA! Dave! Dood! You had a great idea with that DIY camera!!! High-Fives! Now paint it
I’d say that if you don’t plan on ever using it again, go ahead and take it apart. Reminds me of the second digital camera I ever bought, from a grocery store. It recorded video but with no audio and was total crap. Its life ended in a Blendtec blender (I really should put that video up). It was surprisingly durable so the host of the show had to tenderize it with a baseball bat before continuing.
LOL that was hilarious.
Its one of the videos that make you clap at the end of it : D
Yes, i want to buy it, but the cardboard version
Wow thanks for uploading this banger, now my vid has to not suck lol. That cardbaord camera at the end is WILD. Brilliant work
i was wondering what happened to that kickstarter, i was sad i didn't contribute... glad i didn't XD
btw, the link to the app for android is dead, looks like they took it down :'(
Thanks! I updated the link to another option.
what is sad with most reviewers is that there is a real lack of nuances. Your review has same expectations about a Kickstarter product that what one would have for a big company. Big billionaire companies can invest millions on Research and Development, while start up ones don't even make money first 5 years. With such negative reviews, for sure no investor will offer help to improve Fragment 8 camera to go version 2, version 3. Instead, they will close business immediatly, which is near to happen by the way, killed by reviewers. But rich companies always get extremly positive reviews so they sell milions of their product and this way there is never any competition and NO INNOVATION. Always same products, always same design, always same reviews. Really sad...
I got a bunch of real 8mm cameras from charity shops over the years for a few pound each. They're in a box in someone else's house now
It's funny how the most basic Kodak Brownie is still manufactured better than this piece of junk which is designed to look like it.
Let me add to the warning by explaining the little I know on how products come to be this way.
It's not all crowdfunding projects, maybe it's not how this crowdfunding project went, but just so people know that this sequence of events happens a lot... even outside crowdfunding, I guess.
There are lots of projects, specially ones that involves hardware and software in some way, that goes like this.
Sometimes there is a good prototype. Sometimes it's just an idea detailed digitally with 3D models and whatnot.
Project makers idealize this thing, good or bad, and then comes the time to put it in production.
So they go to China, because everything is made there these days.
There, they'll get a manufacturer to produce the units. And then the bargaining begins.
If your product has several component parts, you will have to make decisions. This ranges from making several parts in different factories, and then finding someone to assemble it, or reducing costs and work as much as possible by doing it all in a single place.
The easiest way to go is white label manufacturers, if they can do something like the product you have in mind. White label manufacturers can do all sorts of things, the white label part is because they make it and put whatever brand you want on it. You have seen products that comes from those everywhere. Cheap Android tablets are the easiest to identify... lots of tablets that look exactly the same, but have these different brand names you never heard of before. Those all come from white label manufacturers.
But they actually do many many more stuff... electro electronics, laptops, smartphones, cameras, everything in gift shops. They go from low end to high end. And their costumers range from crowdfunding projects, all the way to big brands who wants to release a product that is not their specialty in the market, as well as people who bought the rights to a brand that went bankrupt, stuff like that.
From that point on either your beautiful prototype gets hacked and reduced for cost savings, or it gets created in house with your specifications... depends on the case. Most of the times, the project owners don't realize how expensive it'd be to make it exactly like they wanted the product to be, but they have to do it somehow with limited budget, so it's left for the manufacturers to find a way how.
I'm not sure how this Kickstarter project went, but I have seen examples of both cases - ones that don't have a prototype, and ones that do. Ones that when the product was finally delivered received a throng of complaints on how it looked nothing like what was promissed and shown on prototype videos, ones that feels that past presentations and past representations of the product didn't reflect in the actual thing.
Either way, it's not because "blah blah bad chinese manufacturing"... because you know, you CAN do something as complicated as the latest iPhone there. You can do some pretty advanced stuff with white label manufacturers. But it'll cost ya! xD
Churning out plastic cases with a fixed mold is several times cheaper than building a metal framing with leather, screw assembly, etc etc. Assembling something with satisfying clicky rotary wheel with springs, tight tolerances, and locking mechanism that needs QA testing and all that is far far more expensive than doing a plasticky half ass reproduction. Buying cheap novelty smartphone lenses that are cents a piece to use in your product instead of designing and making custom lenses for your product is not only cheaper, but also saves time.
Small batches, which these projects usually are, don't get the cost saving benefits of large manufacturers, huge mass production, obviously. And so, it tends to cost far more than predicted.
You get tons and tons and tons of crowdfunding projects that promissed one thing, and delivered a cheap toy version of it. Again, it's not all of them, but it happens a lot.
It could be a scam, yes, pure greed, projects trying to keep as much money as they got while still delivering something not to get sued...
But probably, most of the times these projects didn't predict correctly the cost of doing it, plus logistics, and other stuff involved. Spent too much on design and planning, and not enough on the final stages of actually doing the thing. Don't have people experienced with that side of things, the manufacture and logistics side of it, so they end up spending too much time, money and effort on learning and finding things out.
And this is just part of the risk of putting money on crowdfunding projects. You just don't have control on this, and usually it's a kind of opaque process.
The only real way to get around this is only put money on projects from experienced brands, and even then, it's still not a guarantee. So, for instance, you put money on a GPD new tiny laptop. We know they do it all in house, they have several successfull projects in the market that started on crowdfunding and became retail products, so you have more safety there. And it's a chinese brand, so they know their way around on the manufacturing and logistics side.
There ya go o/
Thanks for sharing this insight! I'm still waiting on a few other Kickstarter projects and I'm sure they've gone through what you've described here. 😅
@@knoptop Oh no! xD
Don't get too negative about it though (don't follow my lead too much), there are definitely times they get it right! Or at least it's a good film prop? xD
Truth is, most of the 20+ projects I backed delivered good stuff, but it's mostly books, games and comics.
Years ago I backed up a remote control following tripod head/puck thing of sorts to make timelapse, panoramas, and vlogs with the motion control separate from the camera itself... probably among the most expensive stuff I backed, but this was like, early 2010s.
They delivered. 2 years late. The product was really well made, and worked well, but I ended up never using it. xD I really really wanted it for a video or photography project as a journalism student, but it kinda arrived when I was already graduating... :P They had good reasons for the delay, it went through multiple hardware and software revisions part because of manufacturing problems part because of changing software landscape, but they kept working at it.
Can't even remember the name of it anymore. Oh well. If I ever start my RUclips channel which I never seen to do, I'll show it up.
Thanks for the great content and humor! :D
How could that Figment 8 be that bad? There's cheap action camera optics better than that.
That sucks! Such a great concept, so poorly executed!