Xie Liwei Dumbass, Australian BNB Upgraded their WI-FI to Fibre which makes it faster since 2014 and now Aussie is now one of the *FASTEST* Broadband networks.
"I would like fiber" "$8,000 a month" "Can I install my own fiber" "Sure, $400 a month" "But, can't I just use your fiber you already have installed for $400 a month?" "No, but you can install your own fiber for less money going off our network" *surprised Pikachu*
No idea why this was recommended to me and no idea why I clicked it. But I like it. The guy sounds like a very upbeat person. Probably the accent. Australians always sound like they're loving life.
Puro No one is on pay per bit. GENERALLY the caps are rated on your service. So if you have a home service and you're using >300 gigs a month, for your business, because you're cheap and don't want to pay for a business service, they slow you down. If you're using more days that a general household. It keeps the prices cheap. You pay for what you need. Data used per month translates to bandwidth used. If you're hogging all that bandwidth on a home line, running your business, your neighbors suffer. And it causes effects for everyone. If you need more service, pay for it. I'd be pissed if my neighbor was ruining a server for his website and downloading through p2p services, and using 500 gigs a month. I don't need >300 gigs a month, so I don't have to pay for it. If you're using that much data, it either shows you're doing illegal activities or running a business or "business" on a home line.
Andrew Delashaw I use 1500 gigabytes a month and I’m not doing anything illegal. My Nest Security Cameras stream 24/7 which is why my usage is high. Who are you to judge if someone’s usage is reasonable?
The NBN was a perfectly fine design originally, as proposed by the Rudd Government. The subsequent Abbott government made a political decision to modify the architecture to an inferior one, for no legitimate reason other than to deprive the previous government of what it perceived as a popular policy "win". They claimed it would make NBN cheaper and quicker to implement, neither of which is true, and have saddled Australia with a sub-standard Internet. Criticising the NBN without acknowledging this sabotage by the Abbott/Turnbull governments is, with respect, painting a very incomplete picture. We now face an even larger bill fixing the mess Turnbull created.
Yes, the Labour NBN was a much better proposal, and I did a video pleading for people not to vote the Liberals in because the NBN would be shit. And it's shit as promised, but at least it will be 1/4 the price I'm paying now for business internet, and technically faster.
Ianf123, I attribute it to the sheer bloody-mindedness of Tony Abbott, not so much Turnbull. It was a Labor idea and was already being built so Abbott crippled it. He deserves the execration of all Australians for the next century. This was in spite of Abbot & Co being told repeatedly while they were still in opposition that their version of the national broadband network was inferior. Going back a bit, I disliked John Howard intensely but at least he pushed through the Adelaide to Darwin rail link. Abbott achieved nothing but destruction.
Well i won't be living there ever! Do they at least take you out to dinner, and a movie before they screw you? I will never complain about internet here in the states again! DAMN!!
You want to know the worst part? The ALP (labor party) said it would be fttp and cost the govt $30-37 billion but the LNP (liberal party) came into power before it began and changed it to fttn and it ended up costing $51 bill with a $5 bill upgrade already planned. They made it worse and cost more at the same time.
@@schwinn434 Fake news. US internet is better than many rich European countries like UK, Germany and France, or worse Spain and Italy. Average US broadband beats them. The problem is that they are heavily DSL-based, so anything over 20 Mbps is difficult; cable TV is comparably more rare. Same thing with cell phones. US has much more LTE coverage than those same countries, parts of the UK still only get 2G.
As an American living here it's not too bad, after four years I've basically already forgotten how US internet speed even was lmao is this the onset of stockholm syndrome?
Thanks for the tour! Reminds me of visiting Imperial College in the UK, in the early 80's - where they had to rent a big, filing cabinet sized "300 baud modem" for a significant amount of money each month from Her Majesty's Post Office, long after a few inexpensive chips could more easily do the same thing... Today my kids don't believe my horror stories of using 1200 baud dial-up service in the 90's - long before the broad band they've grown up with! Thank goodness technology evolves so fast!
in romania we have gigabit connection, i personally can get 540mbit down and 240mbit upload without any CAP for 7euro/month. how on earth is so expensive in australia?
That's insane. In New Brunswick, Canada. We can get a 50/50 fibre connection for around 50$. That is the slowest you can get, so it's very reasonable. It used to be the same price for ADSL (5 Mbps), so I'm glad they have finally decided to upgrade their infrastructure to fibre 5 years ago.
That is crazy! We pay $80 per month and I get Fiber with 1,000 Mb upload and 1,000 Mb download! Yes, 1 Gbps both ways! I ordered this because I run my own servers at home, Still cheaper than paying for shared hosting!
Can we recognize the fact that the service you described, when compared to the $8,000 service in the video, is 100x cheaper, yet provides _100x the bandwidth._ That's insane.
I was telling my family that after I saw this video! Its unbelievable. This service was just made available here about 6 months ago, I saw them running the fiber lines in the power poles. I was amazed how cheap the service was and had to sign up right away. My old service I was lucky to get 20mb down and 4mb up. My website was suffering!
Looks like about every MDF I’ve seen: Six super overpriced “well, we’re already here” companies, two “if you pay, we can be in next week” companies, the typical DSL option, and the wildcard competitor undercutting everyone else.
1 Gbps/1 Gbps for $30/mo braggart signing in for duty ;) Here in Japan, the most common connection method in apartments is fiber to the basement of the building, with VDSL to the premises. Newer buildings have fiber to each premises. The most common fiber provider is the major telco (NTT), but they only provide you with the fiber - then you choose an ISP (among around a hundred or so) to run over it. The ISP is configured using PPPoE, so you can actually have multiple ISPs at the same time if you want (my bog-standard consumer router can have three separate PPPoE connections active at the same time!) Many ISPs are terrible and horribly under-provisioned to the point where your 1 Gbps line will see 1 Mbps during peak usage hours. In reality with my ISP I see around 300 Mbps down/200 Mbps up We moved into a small apartment building that wasn't equipped with any kind of internet access outside of a POTS line, so we got the telco to string fiber off a telephone pole and in through a hole we drilled in the balcony door. $200 installation fee.
I like how everyone is still trying to work it out but deny the guy with the answers because they want to have done it and they are better. Yep, awesome.
I worked in the Telecommunications industry all my life. It amazes me how people think much of the technology they see today is new technology or just a few years old. In the early sixties Bell Telephone or the AT&T group was digitizing telephone calls one of the type of circuit they used was called a T1 which was later adapted allowing for data to be transmitted like internet this line could transmit 1.54 megabit per second or 24 or 23 phone lines. T1 has a larger cousin call T3 which was basically 28 T1 combined. DSL and its derivatives where develop somewhere between the late 70s and early 80s . And as far as gigabit it's existed since the 90s with much of the phone companies tying their Central offices together with this technology. Most technology has existed for a long time the problem is meeting the price point at which enough people will purchase the product is the largest problem.
Like Aussie, New Zealand has an "ultra fast broadband" programme that was Government (taxpayer!) initiated. We got fibre to the door about a year ago and for $NZ 104.99 per month we get 100Mbps down and 20Mbps up and a home phone line as well. We have no data cap...
Heath Wells it's so sad that they still sell asymmetrical links without any technical need for it! But they prefer to continue to charge extra for something that should be normal!
+piranha32 Yep I can 100% confirm this statement as my g/f lives about an hour 1/2 from me on a small cattle farm, just 7 mins outside of a fairly decent sized town with Walmart, Lowes, etc.. and can't even get a POTS line ran too her house, so her only options are 4G LTE Mobile broadband, or HughsNet satellite. and the best I can get without paying an arm and a leg from Atlantic Broadband is copper cable with 60Mbps/6Mbps for $68US a month. Edit: the only other option in my area is DSL from Frontier Communications, and they call 20Mps/1Mbps business class internet that they don't really want to sell to residential customers, and they charge $80 a month after taxes, and fees. So yeah we hare in the USA have it as bad, if not worse in some places then Australia.
Here in rural Nevada the electric co-op has been rolling out gigabit fiber across their entire service area, If that wasn't good enough they aren't metering it and it's symmetrical up and download speed. They are doing it at a profit too. It's shocking that a large spread out area can be profitably provided fiber while large telcos complain about offering it in high-density areas.
I lived (until a couple months ago) less than a mile from fucking ORACLE HEADQUARTERS in Silicon Fucking Valley. Best Internet I could get was the crappiest DSL that can legally be called "broadband." And it cost roughly a hundred USD per month. That's how bad it is here in the US. Fiber might as well not even exist most places in this country. So count yourself lucky, Dave!
The problem with the US is some places have great internet at good prices, and in other markets have terrible internet at terrible prices. I guess that comes with being a such a large country with vast economic, cultural and geographic differences. Google wasn't even looking to make money originally with google fiber, but to kick the telecoms and cable companies in the butt to do something right for a change(so google could send ads and sell services to us)
Fair to say that you are an IT person not a telecommunication technician, Nice video for highlighting how screwed the mixed tech NBN network is in Australia. but you're a little off the mark with what most of the stuff in that MDF room are for and what they do. Thanks for the 'A good NBN summary video' in the info box that one really sums up what customers can expect trying to switch over.
This is crazy I work for a newer ISP here in the USA. We run fiber as well. Our residential customers can go all the way up to 10gbps up and down of course you haft to buy your own equipment for that high of speed. However, most customers that want faster speed settle at 1gbps for $69.95 a month and that is up and down and that is the total price with tax and everything.
I live in a small town in Romania. My internet connection from home is on gigalan fiber ,download speed is 900 - 950 Mb/s and upload 850 - 900 Mb/s (Unlimited downlad/upload) , very stable without interruption. It is faster to download something from the internet than to get it from HDD. The monthly subscription is incredible cheap ,I pay 15 dolars /mounth. I do not know anyone in town who have an internet connection lower than 100 Mb/s at 5 dolars/mounth. It's inconceivable to pay hundreds of dollars for a shit internet conection, The internet providers from Australia are showing you the finger and ask you to pay for this privilege. Very sad :(
+Bota Dorin But I somehow suppose that it has a lot to do with EU infrastructure subvention money :) Good to hear that every farmer and his donkeys have fibre-optical internet available...
The smaller the country, the shorter the lines, the cheaper the lines, the cheaper the internet. This bit isn't really a surprise. I hear there are areas here in Germany where even DSL hasn't been installed yet. That's why the Pirate party of Germany demands it to be standard that the telecommunications infrastructure is to be set up and operated by official organizations like we had it until the late eighties, when the ministry for mail and telecommunications ("Post und Telekom") was in charge of just thta, mail and telephone service. Private companies would pay fees for the access to the infrastructure, but the hardware itself would remain in official property. The best way to organize it, methinks. But hey, who needs quick internet access when there are Kangaroos, Koalas and Kookaburras just outside? ^^)
Thanks to Modi. I a person in a village in India has 100MbPS Up and Down connection and I pay like 20-25 usd per month it comes with unlimited calls as well.
well its not a hearsay, most of the overseas workers there are required to work even at the rest days, of course they pay you accordingly what you worked on, unlike in china. Well they dont force the workers to do that but they said it will affect your performance record in the company if your dont listen.
I've used a similar connection when in SK, & it was REALLY slow connecting overseas. I get the impression the infrastructure within the country is fantastic, but the gateways/peering to USA/Europe are terrible.
I feel super lucky to have non-NBN FttB for my apartment here in Australia. From a logical perspective, the NBN is an unreliable mess and from a physical perspective, most options for Australians absolutely suck. At my old apartment, my phone lines were terminated in a pit that would literally fill up with water when it rained. Not even a PSTN phone call could be made over the shocking noise on that line, much less a PSTN MODEM or ADSL connection. At my current apartment, I was forced to give up my ADSL2+ Annex M connection (which worked well for me), to be upgraded to NBN over a HFC connection. With the combination of both physical and logical reliability problems of this connection type and the NBN itself, I was suffering outages *EVERY* 1-3 days, which would last anywhere from hours to *DAYS!* An absolute joke! Thankfully a certain Aussie ISP who purchased a certain fibre provider, ran their own fibre to my apartments, connecting directly into their network and bypassing the *HORRID* NBN. I'm going on TWO YEARS non-stop uptime with this connection and I always get 90+ Mbps down and 40+ Mbps up. Can't complain about that, but I do feel for my fellow Aussie's who are getting awful service thanks to our incompetent governments.
So your building have AAPT fibre, and AAPT is owned by TPG. have you tried getting TPG's Fibre 400 before? $400/months for symmetrical 400 Mbps connection is pretty decent
pyr0bee kinda late, but damn thets still disgusting. 1gbit is around 90 euros a month in Finland. If your cables can handle it. Most of the houses can only support 100mbit.
@@TheIdiotPlays I pay 90nz dollars per month for ultra fast broadband. That's about 50 euros for 1gig download and 500mb upload unlimited. I thought us kiwis were getting ripped off lol.
@@honortalo8602 It used to be a lot worse a few years back. Even tho the cable was the same speed and cost, the mobile networks were basically unusable. I mean you could get like 2gb of data for 20e/month. At one point it was 10, and now its unlimited. (Wasn't fun as I easily consumed 70-100gb on youtube per month lol)
Please engage brain before typing, There is no such thing as ISDN 50 Etsi has more channels thau US with a max of 32 (two of which are for signalling and so it is known as ISDN 30) Us is 24 channel!
Uh, they're not talking about fast internet that goes to every square mile of the country, they're talking about fast internet that goes to the population centers where business parks are. That doesn't require fast internet being strung to every corner of the desert, it only requires a few fast connections to other countries and between those population centers. It's expensive, but it's not that kind of expensive. What he's talking about are fast connections that are right there where those other connections come into the country in the first place. If you can't even deliver fast speeds down the block, you're hopelessly unqualified to do the job at all.
Interesting overview. Your new to be connected NBN service, which RSP are you using and are they providing Business Grade service levels? Or have you sacrificed the service levels for a cheaper price? Therefore WHEN there is an outage, YOUR service will be treated just the same as a residential service and put to the bottom of the queue to fix. But good luck with it all :)
im a communication engineer for telstra and 70% of what he said was wrong and clearly has very basic knowledge of how things work. what i do agree on is the ridiculous price consumers have to pay for services in this country. unfortunately the greed in this country has gone beyond anyones control.
I agree with you, when he was talking about getting his own fibre put in by telstra to that black box. The would have taken one of the spare fibres from existing oftu across to the black cabinet with switch geear in it. In the scenario it is a dedicated fibre path with no splitting or other users between his end point to the exchange equipment, thus dedicated bandwidth. In a NBN scenario whilst it is fttp in this scenario, the fibre is not not one dedicated path, it is split amongst end points and also the bandwidth of that path is shared amongst other uses on that path.
Wanna hear a joke. Microsoft has a datacenter in Australia EDIT: Oh my God! NOT KIDDING THEY HAVE 4 DATACENTERS YES FOUR East Southeast Centeral Cemteral2
I pay the equivalent of $57 aud in the uk and am getting 64mb down and 20mb up when tested. That's fibre to cabinet. Damn your internet is expensive for 90's tech !
Hang on folks, this american has to go change his breeches... 60 down, 6 up for $60/50E. At least the aussies have compitition. Here in the US, especally in the midwest, monopoly monopoly monopoly...
This guy is pretty much spot on for a non tech. I am a 35 year experienced no longer Telstra tech with phone system and networking experience and have installed PSTN, ISDN, SHDSL and NBN fibre to the node. I Currently manage a team doing Fibre to the node connections amongst other things. Fibre to the node is ok as a temporary solution but as a permanent solution It's a joke! The original plan was for fibre to the premises which is definitely quicker however one must also remember that any internet site has it's own speed limitations so no matter what speed you may have, the page you are looking at may make it seem slow due to it's own internet connection or popularity. This guy has fibre to the premises but why so many Fibres? The answer is competition and new technology. The existing Telstra fibre is old tech and whilst still good won't deliver the speeds NBN are negotiating.
In UK i pay £55 /71USD for 200Mbps and thats bundled with TV 300+channels and movies and phone landline free UK calls for 1 hour. We dont use the landline though, just got it cause it worked out cheaper.
You have to take in consideration that Canada is a large country, so it costs more to maintain the infrastructure. Plus there's not enough competition to drive the cost down. It's pretty much a battle between Bell and Rogers. Until the government decides to fix a maximum, we're stuck with that, unfortunately. I don't need more than 50/50 (no cap) for my usage. I'm sharing this connection with someone else and I've had no issues so far.
I get 950mbit down and 100mbit up with phone and huge tv package fibre for $200 a month in NS. The TV has a PVR which records 4 channels, HBO, Movie channels and mobile tv. Also have a wireless hub with AC wireless connection.
I rather die then go to the hospital if I get in severe car crash or need to get immediate medical help. Only thing I'd pay for is for the hospital to put me down cause I rather die then be in medical debt.
What you said at 7:15 is exactly why the NBN should have never been built. We needed to improve our links OUT of Australia and the interconnects. There were so many cheaper and better options that would have meant an overall better experience. but we got screwed in the politics.
That is an INSANELY CLEAN MDF compared to what I'm used to seeing! Most of the ones in the buildings I work on are an absolute rat's nest, dog's breakfast, whatever you want to call it. I dread having to do any work on those MDFs, absolute needle in a haystack trying to find the right pair, lots of abandoned cross-connects and taps everywhere, always afraid I'm going to snag something wires criss-crossing everywhere...
not everyone in Australia has a shit connection, had 100+(max300) down 20+(max 50) up for under $100 for the past 10 years with a fringe provider, fuck the majors, telstra still has a government monopoly mentality don't expect it to change anytime soon
Given Telstra's mentality, perhaps the best way to get most of us decent connections would be for the government to give them some marching orders: Get 10% of the population onto 100/100 connections every year or face huge fines.
Telstra in Aus is like BT in the UK. they are constantly receiving Billions of state funding despite their commercial status. Hence they have no desire to produce the best now, they will milk the free cash for as long as it comes. Independent providers in the meantime who provide decent services have to compete with this state funded behemoth. Something that is made much more difficult when the state market the subsidised provider and at the same time ignore the existence of the rest or even belittle them.
Are you aware that the pitch of your voice was getting higher and higher over the course of this video? You practically sounded like a Monty Python actor pretending to be a woman by the end. Loosen up your vocal cords a bit, you're carrying way too much tension in them.
Here in Norway my small, rural business just signed a deal with a provider that will give us 10 Gbit/s symmetric fiber. The price? US$ 1500 equivalent a month. No cap. The 1 Gbit/s option costs ten times less but we wanted the best. It looks like Australians are kept hostage by their providers and regulations.
I thought we had it bad in Canada, but that's insane. Here in Canada business plans generally have unlimited bandwidth, or can be upgraded to unlimited for around $10-$20/month, and in most places you can at least get 100/100Mbps over cable, and in newer developments you can get 1/1Gbps over fiber. For $8000/month you could get a dedicated 10/10Gbps line!
I hope that viewers don't assume the creator is well informed. I live in Australia and travel regularly overseas. It's not the greatest here by a long shot, but it's nowhere near as bad as reported. A bit of real research will clarify a great many things (understand the Telecom Act constraints, and talk to a real technician about fibre in the CAN, for starters). For overseas viewer, this is a great example of what Australians would call "whinging". *lol*
and i'm the opposite - i live overseas and travel to australia frequently. to call your internet infrastructure dogshit is doing a disservice to dogshit. be it your 5-star hotels, CBD offices or mobile data services, i would rank australia in the top 5 worst of any of the countries i travel to in the world - which is most developed and a large number of developing countries due to what i do. the only upside is that in works in my favour as my team know i can't work properly when i'm in australia cos of your medieval technology, so the business trip ends up being comparatively laid back.
talk about being full of shit. Our internet is absolute crap and its why major business' refuse to do work here and are moving overseas. We are over governed yet see hardly any fruits of governership. Our roads are crap, our internet is crap, our postal system is crap, our transport is crap (except for perhaps Victoria), our monopolies are crap, etc, etc, etc. After travelling overseas, many Australians share the same sentiment about our "lucky" country
As someone in the UK I pay £75.00 a month for 200Mb down/ 12Mb up. I looked at a business connection and was quoted about £1,200 a month for full gigabit. Australia is about 10 years behind the rest of the UK.
NBN at my work in Liverpool, New South Wales Australia. I remember the day of the switch over. All excited thinking I'll actually get to do some work and not wait 30 seconds for each, "page", view on the internet based information system I work on. About 30 minutes later I called to ask the NBN provider if we're actually on the NBN. They assured me we were. I found zero difference to what we were on. I actually have quicker internet at home with Telstra's cable internet than what the NBN provides. My home is 7 kilometres from my work place, so we're in the same ball park, relatively speaking.
I'm a telecommunications technician and those prices are not unheard of for companies here either. But typically invidual consumer fiber is like 5-20€/month and company fiber 2x to 3x as much depending on certain factors.
@6:50 "A lot of houses in Australia only have fiber to the node, which is ridiculous" -> While I agree with this, a lot of houses are stuck on NBN Sky Muster which makes fiber to the anything look amazing. I can see (line of site) the fixed wireless towers, but NBN think I'm out of range so they stick me on Sky Muster. Over 4G (tower is in almost the same place as NBN Fixed Wireless in my area) I can get better speeds, for less money, improved reliability and much less power than Sky Muster. I'm off grid so power is very relevant and NBN Sky Muster modems use HEAPS of power. Despite line of site visibility of the Fixed Wireless tower I'm unable to connect on Fixed Wireless because their map says I won't have signal. The bureaucracy is epic.
That room is spotlessly clean compared to what I've seen. Years ago I worked for 2SER run by UTS and helped set up their first digital system to analogue internet radio services. A old tech and myself sometimes had to go into the Telstra exchange room under the university building. What a dirty and messy place it was/is but still of interest to me never seen the guts of the internet servers running. 2SER's telstra set up running 40 PC's in studio's and news room was slower than my home internet hahaha.
Here in Brazil I pay R$135,00(~U$45) for a non-symmetric 10MB/s download, 1,2MB upload cable connection, 80GB cap. Speeds over 300MB/s are available, but may cost over R$310,00(U$100). In the countryside the available bandwidth is much smaller and plans are usually from the kb/s range until 5MB/s, and are almost priced the same. Many people rely on 3G/4G usb dongles, but they usually have a 4~8GB cap and are more expensive. Many people are just using their smartphones to access the internet instead of using a desktop, although cheaper smartphones are very overpriced due excessive government taxation over imports. An unlocked Moto G costs today R$770,00(~U$250,00), and our minimum wage is R$937,00(~U$300).
That's insane! I had to actually close fullscreen and scroll down to check the publish year on this video. I seriously thought it was like 5 years old. I live in Sweden and we had fibre installed to our home building like a year ago. I now pay 100 SEK (15.50 AUD) per month for 1 Gbps up and down (1000/1000 Mbps). When I test my connection speed I get 880 Mbps down and 760 Mbps up. Before we had this fibre connection I got broadband through the cable companys coax cable. I paid 299 SEK (46.35 AUD) per month for 250 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up. Oh, and I have never heard of data caps on broadband in Sweden. Ever. Only on mobile data plans for your phone or similar.
Looks a lot like the MDF room in my apartment building. I got NBN almost a year ago, and watched the tech install it which was pretty cool. Agreed - the state of consumer fibre in Australia is a joke.
Can you please explain what a symmetrical broadband is? As for consumer level a $1800 for 10Mbps connection is obviously non sense. The one I have is from Harbour ISP (ok not Telstra but they are just a bit cheaper) for $69/m for 25Mbps.
As an Australian I literally hate NBN. They tore up the ground and made us lose connection for a couple of months, and then they gave us wifi which was shittier than the stuff we had before. They basically forced us to use their wifi.
I live in Romania and these are the prices for my current ISP, I converted them to US dollars. This is for home use, not corporation, and its FTTH free installation. 300 mbit download, 150 mbit upload is 7.26 USD /mo 500 mbit download, 250 mbit upload is 8.82 USD /mo 1 Gbit download, 500 mbit upload is 10.11 USD /mo Also there is no bandwidth limit, and they also grant 3 wifi accounts so you can connect to their free wifi sevice spread throughout the towns.
There is a difference between residential internet and business internet, as a residential customer we are subject to caps also though they are not stated clearly in our contracts. we are also paying for asynchronous speeds generally. businesses pay for synchronous speeds (generally), a higher priority (generally a dedicated link to the CO) where residential customers are on a shared medium and you have to store LEC (local carrier) and in some cases CLEC equipment onsite at a business. all of this equates to higher installation/construction prices and higher internet prices for businesses.
Insane pricing, residential we pay like £40 a month for 150mbps down, 10mbps up for cable FTTC (5-10ms ping). Standard FTTC delivers 70/20 with roughly 5-8ms ping and on a commercial setup this can be bridged with another connection to make 140/40. 50/50 FTTP on a leased line was quoted as approximately £5k per year.
I feel that part of the issue is actually that there's so many different providers in AU, each rolling out their own network. In some countries, there's a monopoly or duopoly and naturally they can operate much cheaper for the exact reason you mentioned. Sometimes, competition can result in higher prices
£60 (100AUD) in a new block of flats in a big city in England in 2017 will give you FTTP 1Gbps download and upload. Fibre to the cabinet is available in rural towns, for as little as £30/mo but it's 30Mbps down and 15 up last time I checked (last year). Great for small servers, which is what I used it for. crazy it costs so much over there!
Whenever I hear stories like this my first assumption is it's government involvement that screwed it. The free market would never create such a bizarre situation.
in Germany we pay 20-120€ for 16mbit/s - 1000mbit/s. typicaly ADSL/ (Super-) Vectoring VDSL or FTTH. normaly the Provider uses the old copper cables, but a few years ago, the Providers began to build Fiber to the home, I actually work in the company , where we build the Fibercables in the Houses and Offices, and another Team build the pipes with the Cables outside from the Gray Boxes (NVT) into the Houses.
In my area, you just have to pay around $30 for a fibre broadband connection. Here optical fibre is used extensively for Internet and Cable TV distribution.
I work in the telecom industry. It is widely known that the service providers in Australia are absolute control freaks with ideas and plans firmly rooted in technologies that were outdated in 1999.
Eastern Europe here, that's pretty much what we had 15 years ago, including prices. It's so outdated I'm not even sure how to build stuff like this anymore and it's my profession - I can build you a fiber to location solution in a blink of an eye ... the ISP where I was working last is going for the 1G symmetric fiber-to-home offerings right now, at about 26$ aud/month (fiber-to-home meaning you get an actual optical fiber in your room, plugged into a small 1G router box). And this comes with 130 channels of TV multicast on the fiber.
The problem isn't the fiber in Australia-the problem is the lack of undersea cable in & out of Australia. Google wound up deciding that it was cheaper to lay their own cable.
I think the higher tier NBN plans have been unlimited for a few months now. When I started out, I had many periods of 10-15mbps down, but I could upload at 35mbps pretty much always - was kind of funny, but it's stabilised now and I usually get around 95mbps down.
Here in NZ, I'm on a 100mb/s symmetrical, unlimited Fibre line, plus a fibre phone and free national calls for $89 a month. It's freaking blazing. It's like an old school LAN, basically. I'm doing about 500 Gigs a month.
1850/month for 10x10m with a cap of 100gb? I work for centurylink in Washington and install sequential 1gb to homes and businesses for 129 and 600 a month respectively. Those prices are ridiculous!
I use about 250GB per month in our household in the UK. 400KB down, 40KB up ADSL - £35 monthly unlimited (slightly rural - 3 miles from city !). When i saw the 100GB cap i almost coughed my coffee back up !
MDF is the Central Office, It's not your buildings phone room. To the left you either have a direct feed underground or aerial terminal both in which start at the Central Office(MDF). TO the right you have either house or block cable which go to a centralized room on each floor or to term block in each office. ISDN OR ADSL, not IDSL... Are you sure you know what you are doing?
that box next to the telstra rack is actually Optus , its called an FTP and provides fibre connections to small medium enterprise customers in the building it can be voice over IP internet P2P basically any bandwidth up to 1gbs they don't provide residential services
It's absolutely ridiculous that in this day and age, we still have internet plans with data limits. It's something I refuse to accept. I signed up with optus cable, which is unlimited. About a month later, Telstra called and tried to get my business. I told them I am not interested in a plan which had a data limit, which they have (500Mb). When I talk to friends overseas (in so many different countries), they can't believe the state of the internet here.
Are your options limited because its a business? Do residential customers have more choices and more economical options? In the US telecom's really like to stick it to businesses (because they figure you're making money), but consumers get WAAAY better internet than you have at a fraction of the price.
Here in America, my apartment complex has a deal with Spectrum (formerly Bright House). I get 300Mb/s down and 120Mb/s up. I had to get my own gear to get the most out of it, but now I get 21MB/s regularly. All for $54.28/month
Hey, not to worry. Mr.Broadband is building the "Snowy Hydro 2.0"; so expect your lights to just go out, or elctricity to cost so much no-one can afford it.
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Australian internet is a joke
Edit: accepted the A$85 Super fast plan from TPG which can get to 270Mb down and 20Mb up, I'm happy now :)
Aug 2021
Xie Liwei Dumbass, Australian BNB Upgraded their
WI-FI to Fibre which makes it faster since 2014 and now Aussie is now one of the *FASTEST* Broadband networks.
I just know that in China I pay 10 AUD per month and get 50Mb bandwidth:)
I would be a Joke IF IT WASN'T THIS BAD STUPID FUCKING LNP GOVERNMENTS FUCK EVERYTHING UP
LNP = ELITIST CONSERVATIVE CUNTFLAPS!
A girl walks in a coffee shop in austraya and asks, do you have internet and what would be the reply people???
It pisses me off to no fucking end
*So Australia has spiders, snakes, crocodiles and shitty/expensive internet.
the snakes are the internet companies
Not to mention that it's full of criminals as well! ;)
You're not quite accurate. Everything is shitty and expensive in Australia.
Hey now, I'll take Josh Thomas over Jeff Dunham any day.
I like this one, up up up!
as well as a stupid accent
"I would like fiber"
"$8,000 a month"
"Can I install my own fiber"
"Sure, $400 a month"
"But, can't I just use your fiber you already have installed for $400 a month?"
"No, but you can install your own fiber for less money going off our network"
*surprised Pikachu*
you can hear the pain in this man's voice
His voice is always like that. Even when he likes something.
No idea why this was recommended to me and no idea why I clicked it. But I like it. The guy sounds like a very upbeat person. Probably the accent. Australians always sound like they're loving life.
If you're still here check out his main channel, this is his 2nd channel.
Interesting perspective. Allow me to spoil that illusion.
Data caps in the age of broadband makes no sense. It's like being told you can go 100 MPH down the highway but you have to stop after 100 miles.
Australia and murrica are still on pay-per-bit subscriptions.:p
It's quite laughable.:D
Puro No one is on pay per bit. GENERALLY the caps are rated on your service. So if you have a home service and you're using >300 gigs a month, for your business, because you're cheap and don't want to pay for a business service, they slow you down. If you're using more days that a general household. It keeps the prices cheap. You pay for what you need. Data used per month translates to bandwidth used. If you're hogging all that bandwidth on a home line, running your business, your neighbors suffer. And it causes effects for everyone. If you need more service, pay for it. I'd be pissed if my neighbor was ruining a server for his website and downloading through p2p services, and using 500 gigs a month. I don't need >300 gigs a month, so I don't have to pay for it. If you're using that much data, it either shows you're doing illegal activities or running a business or "business" on a home line.
Andrew Delashaw I use 1500 gigabytes a month and I’m not doing anything illegal. My Nest Security Cameras stream 24/7 which is why my usage is high. Who are you to judge if someone’s usage is reasonable?
Puro Glad I live in Canada since we got unlimited internet here
@@BasilMinhas Lol, you guys don’t even have unlimited phone data. Plus wireless plans are some of the highest in the world.
The NBN was a perfectly fine design originally, as proposed by the Rudd Government. The subsequent Abbott government made a political decision to modify the architecture to an inferior one, for no legitimate reason other than to deprive the previous government of what it perceived as a popular policy "win". They claimed it would make NBN cheaper and quicker to implement, neither of which is true, and have saddled Australia with a sub-standard Internet. Criticising the NBN without acknowledging this sabotage by the Abbott/Turnbull governments is, with respect, painting a very incomplete picture. We now face an even larger bill fixing the mess Turnbull created.
I suspect Dave is a closet Liberal voter. Would explain why he never wants to debate politics, as would poke holes in his view of the world.
station240 Wrong. Never voted Liberal in my life.
Yes, the Labour NBN was a much better proposal, and I did a video pleading for people not to vote the Liberals in because the NBN would be shit.
And it's shit as promised, but at least it will be 1/4 the price I'm paying now for business internet, and technically faster.
Ianf123, I attribute it to the sheer bloody-mindedness of Tony Abbott, not so much Turnbull. It was a Labor idea and was already being built so Abbott crippled it. He deserves the execration of all Australians for the next century. This was in spite of Abbot & Co being told repeatedly while they were still in opposition that their version of the national broadband network was inferior.
Going back a bit, I disliked John Howard intensely but at least he pushed through the Adelaide to Darwin rail link. Abbott achieved nothing but destruction.
Codenwarra Cove lol safe millions in just going to the node!
It would be cheaper for you to put your videos on an external hard drive/ ssd overnight it to me in America and let me upload it with my Google fiber.
South African internet is even better than this. I have a good fiber connection for $120
@@springbok4015 $120 :D :D hahahah are you serious ? my fiber connection is like $7.5 hahahaha... I'm in Europe !!
@@meteor8076 Yup, and I'm in South Africa. More expensive here, but still cheaper than Australia. It's weird.
@@springbok4015 And I have a great fibre connection for $99, I have had the NBN for the last 6 years with iiNet
Or upload at home, home internet in Australia price is ok..
Well i won't be living there ever! Do they at least take you out to dinner, and a movie before they screw you? I will never complain about internet here in the states again! DAMN!!
grfeld84 Lol glad I live in Canada
It's still pretty bad here in the USA - when compared to Europe, and probably Asia, as-well.
You want to know the worst part? The ALP (labor party) said it would be fttp and cost the govt $30-37 billion but the LNP (liberal party) came into power before it began and changed it to fttn and it ended up costing $51 bill with a $5 bill upgrade already planned. They made it worse and cost more at the same time.
@@schwinn434 Fake news. US internet is better than many rich European countries like UK, Germany and France, or worse Spain and Italy. Average US broadband beats them. The problem is that they are heavily DSL-based, so anything over 20 Mbps is difficult; cable TV is comparably more rare. Same thing with cell phones. US has much more LTE coverage than those same countries, parts of the UK still only get 2G.
As an American living here it's not too bad, after four years I've basically already forgotten how US internet speed even was lmao is this the onset of stockholm syndrome?
I am just back from Japan. Most cities have free internet available out on the streets, in cafes etc, 27.73 download upload 24.59. For FREE!
Here in Japan we have 2gigabit fiber for ¥5500 a month. That's around 55USD. The 1gigabit line is 43USD a month.
I miss the free wifi all around the place in tokyo :( . now i gotta pay $100 for a 100/40mbps telstra with a 250gb cap
MyRepublic 100/40 no cap $60/mo, speeds are fine.
The whole of Japan is the size of Sydney so the costs are much less. To get fibre to Aus suburbs is a lot of work.
@Justin it has throttling though
Nub Smoo nope
Wow. I'm in small town NZ and I have 800/500 Mbps un-capped fibre to the premise for about the same money. How did Australia fall so far behind?
because we had a government who went ill cheapo and install a network cheap and quick as possible
I get 11 mbs at the highest 😂
siliconaudio in Canada internet is quite cheap
actually turned out to be more expensive and slower
Liberal government that's how.
In Latvia for 10 euros/month you get unlimited, 100mbit, ping bellow 5 internet.
Glitchy Soup same in Lithuania
You can get it for 3 eur/month in Lithuania ;-)
5€ in Finland😁
@@hii508 tääh?! 5€?! Miten? Mikä firma?
@@khordad1216 Elisalta.
Thanks for the tour! Reminds me of visiting Imperial College in the UK, in the early 80's - where they had to rent a big, filing cabinet sized "300 baud modem" for a significant amount of money each month from Her Majesty's Post Office, long after a few inexpensive chips could more easily do the same thing... Today my kids don't believe my horror stories of using 1200 baud dial-up service in the 90's - long before the broad band they've grown up with! Thank goodness technology evolves so fast!
I was lucky, my NBN is pre-Abbott era. Been fantastic.
Same - it's a massive shame though if everyone else had what we had, we'd have 1gps+ net for the same costs
Wow, these are insane price. In Poland I have 100 mbit symetric for 55PLN/m (c.a. 20AUD) and can have 1000 mbit symetric for 155PLN (c.a. 55AUD)
pahom $30 for 10mbit here in indonesia
In Sweden 1000 Mbit/s costs 23 AUD for students :)
In Korea symmetric 1Gbps for 35000 KRW (about $30) :p
Josef Andersson fiber in sweden is boss i love it here
in romania we have gigabit connection, i personally can get 540mbit down and 240mbit upload without any CAP for 7euro/month. how on earth is so expensive in australia?
That's insane. In New Brunswick, Canada. We can get a 50/50 fibre connection for around 50$. That is the slowest you can get, so it's very reasonable. It used to be the same price for ADSL (5 Mbps), so I'm glad they have finally decided to upgrade their infrastructure to fibre 5 years ago.
im downloading a game right now, and its going at 200kb/s
Its gonna take 4 days
PHOTON for me that’s insanely fast
rofl
did your download finish yet
In America that was very fast before I moved.
Its not gonna take 4days. I am a slow internet expert and i am 100% sure that your connection will drop
That is crazy! We pay $80 per month and I get Fiber with 1,000 Mb upload and 1,000 Mb download! Yes, 1 Gbps both ways!
I ordered this because I run my own servers at home, Still cheaper than paying for shared hosting!
*sighs and loads a round into the chamber*
10Gigabit server master race...
What country is it? I've got optic fiber at 200Mbps, symmetric, unlimited data transfer per month. I pay about $60 USD. This is in Mexico.
Can we recognize the fact that the service you described, when compared to the $8,000 service in the video, is 100x cheaper, yet provides _100x the bandwidth._ That's insane.
I was telling my family that after I saw this video! Its unbelievable. This service was just made available here about 6 months ago, I saw them running the fiber lines in the power poles. I was amazed how cheap the service was and had to sign up right away. My old service I was lucky to get 20mb down and 4mb up. My website was suffering!
Looks like about every MDF I’ve seen: Six super overpriced “well, we’re already here” companies, two “if you pay, we can be in next week” companies, the typical DSL option, and the wildcard competitor undercutting everyone else.
So Australia has spiders, snakes, crocodiles and shitty/expensive internet.
Why do people want to live there?
Mac Donalds
There's lots of worse places.... Syria. Afghanistan. USA.
Australia has black apples. Native bush food. So there!
I don't think you have much choice over where you're born and moving is easier said than done.
Because even with all that it's still the best country in the world :-P
MacDonalds I've seen one snake in the past 20 years, no crocodiles since the one in a zoo in the 1980s and three mildly dangerous spiders in my life.
I actually thought the voice over was Shirley Strachan from Skyhooks " all my friends are getting married" fame.... Thanks for posting
Shirl died in a chopper crash years back
1 Gbps/1 Gbps for $30/mo braggart signing in for duty ;)
Here in Japan, the most common connection method in apartments is fiber to the basement of the building, with VDSL to the premises. Newer buildings have fiber to each premises.
The most common fiber provider is the major telco (NTT), but they only provide you with the fiber - then you choose an ISP (among around a hundred or so) to run over it. The ISP is configured using PPPoE, so you can actually have multiple ISPs at the same time if you want (my bog-standard consumer router can have three separate PPPoE connections active at the same time!) Many ISPs are terrible and horribly under-provisioned to the point where your 1 Gbps line will see 1 Mbps during peak usage hours. In reality with my ISP I see around 300 Mbps down/200 Mbps up
We moved into a small apartment building that wasn't equipped with any kind of internet access outside of a POTS line, so we got the telco to string fiber off a telephone pole and in through a hole we drilled in the balcony door. $200 installation fee.
how are the living expenses in Japan? lol
Cheaper than Australia.
I have 1gig up/down here in the USA, it's almost $180/mo with Internet, 1K HD TV, and VoIP.
I like how everyone is still trying to work it out but deny the guy with the answers because they want to have done it and they are better. Yep, awesome.
I worked in the Telecommunications industry all my life. It amazes me how people think much of the technology they see today is new technology or just a few years old. In the early sixties Bell Telephone or the AT&T group was digitizing telephone calls one of the type of circuit they used was called a T1 which was later adapted allowing for data to be transmitted like internet this line could transmit 1.54 megabit per second or 24 or 23 phone lines. T1 has a larger cousin call T3 which was basically 28 T1 combined. DSL and its derivatives where develop somewhere between the late 70s and early 80s . And as far as gigabit it's existed since the 90s with much of the phone companies tying their Central offices together with this technology. Most technology has existed for a long time the problem is meeting the price point at which enough people will purchase the product is the largest problem.
Like Aussie, New Zealand has an "ultra fast broadband" programme that was Government (taxpayer!) initiated. We got fibre to the door about a year ago and for $NZ 104.99 per month we get 100Mbps down and 20Mbps up and a home phone line as well. We have no data cap...
Heath Wells it's so sad that they still sell asymmetrical links without any technical need for it!
But they prefer to continue to charge extra for something that should be normal!
I get 200/50 For $99 at the moment in auckland! Its getting better by the day!
We're paying $95 for 1000/500 in Dunedin...
$59 200/20 unlimited naked in wellington
Wow i really am getting ripped off
94 USD/month for 50 up/50 down
If it makes you feel better, some in places in US broadband connection is still unobtainable luxury, even in cities!
+piranha32 Yep I can 100% confirm this statement as my g/f lives about an hour 1/2 from me on a small cattle farm, just 7 mins outside of a fairly decent sized town with Walmart, Lowes, etc.. and can't even get a POTS line ran too her house, so her only options are 4G LTE Mobile broadband, or HughsNet satellite. and the best I can get without paying an arm and a leg from Atlantic Broadband is copper cable with 60Mbps/6Mbps for $68US a month.
Edit: the only other option in my area is DSL from Frontier Communications, and they call 20Mps/1Mbps business class internet that they don't really want to sell to residential customers, and they charge $80 a month after taxes, and fees. So yeah we hare in the USA have it as bad, if not worse in some places then Australia.
Here in rural Nevada the electric co-op has been rolling out gigabit fiber across their entire service area, If that wasn't good enough they aren't metering it and it's symmetrical up and download speed. They are doing it at a profit too. It's shocking that a large spread out area can be profitably provided fiber while large telcos complain about offering it in high-density areas.
I lived (until a couple months ago) less than a mile from fucking ORACLE HEADQUARTERS in Silicon Fucking Valley. Best Internet I could get was the crappiest DSL that can legally be called "broadband." And it cost roughly a hundred USD per month. That's how bad it is here in the US. Fiber might as well not even exist most places in this country.
So count yourself lucky, Dave!
Can confirm, pay as much as this NBN for about a fifth of the bandwidth
But at least there's no data caps I guess
The problem with the US is some places have great internet at good prices, and in other markets have terrible internet at terrible prices.
I guess that comes with being a such a large country with vast economic, cultural and geographic differences.
Google wasn't even looking to make money originally with google fiber, but to kick the telecoms and cable companies in the butt to do something right for a change(so google could send ads and sell services to us)
Fair to say that you are an IT person not a telecommunication technician, Nice video for highlighting how screwed the mixed tech NBN network is in Australia.
but you're a little off the mark with what most of the stuff in that MDF room are for and what they do.
Thanks for the 'A good NBN summary video' in the info box that one really sums up what customers can expect trying to switch over.
US: hEAlthcare
Australia: internEAt
This is crazy I work for a newer ISP here in the USA. We run fiber as well. Our residential customers can go all the way up to 10gbps up and down of course you haft to buy your own equipment for that high of speed. However, most customers that want faster speed settle at 1gbps for $69.95 a month and that is up and down and that is the total price with tax and everything.
BTW we do fiber to the premise as well.
I live in a small town in Romania. My internet connection from home is on gigalan fiber ,download speed is 900 - 950 Mb/s and upload 850 - 900 Mb/s (Unlimited downlad/upload) , very stable without interruption. It is faster to download something from the internet than to get it from HDD. The monthly subscription is incredible cheap ,I pay 15 dolars /mounth. I do not know anyone in town who have an internet connection lower than 100 Mb/s at 5 dolars/mounth. It's inconceivable to pay hundreds of dollars for a shit internet conection, The internet providers from Australia are showing you the finger and ask you to pay for this privilege. Very sad :(
Nice, now get paved roads.
Priorities. Fast internet is more important :D
@Mac Donalds Uh... What the hell does one have to do with another?
which you wont need if every office worker works from home
+Bota Dorin But I somehow suppose that it has a lot to do with EU infrastructure subvention money :)
Good to hear that every farmer and his donkeys have fibre-optical internet available...
The smaller the country, the shorter the lines, the cheaper the lines, the cheaper the internet. This bit isn't really a surprise. I hear there are areas here in Germany where even DSL hasn't been installed yet.
That's why the Pirate party of Germany demands it to be standard that the telecommunications infrastructure is to be set up and operated by official organizations like we had it until the late eighties, when the ministry for mail and telecommunications ("Post und Telekom") was in charge of just thta, mail and telephone service. Private companies would pay fees for the access to the infrastructure, but the hardware itself would remain in official property. The best way to organize it, methinks.
But hey, who needs quick internet access when there are Kangaroos, Koalas and Kookaburras just outside? ^^)
Belgium is small, the internet is expensive and capped.
Thanks to Modi.
I a person in a village in India has 100MbPS Up and Down connection and I pay like 20-25 usd per month it comes with unlimited calls as well.
Meanwhile in South Korea, you can get 1Gbps symmetric connection for $60/mth in most large builidings.
They also expect you to work 26 hours a day.
Stop listening to hearsay.
well its not a hearsay, most of the overseas workers there are required to work even at the rest days, of course they pay you accordingly what you worked on, unlike in china. Well they dont force the workers to do that but they said it will affect your performance record in the company if your dont listen.
I've used a similar connection when in SK, & it was REALLY slow connecting overseas. I get the impression the infrastructure within the country is fantastic, but the gateways/peering to USA/Europe are terrible.
More like 100gbps
Watching this six years later and would you believe it hasn't gotten much better
I feel super lucky to have non-NBN FttB for my apartment here in Australia. From a logical perspective, the NBN is an unreliable mess and from a physical perspective, most options for Australians absolutely suck.
At my old apartment, my phone lines were terminated in a pit that would literally fill up with water when it rained. Not even a PSTN phone call could be made over the shocking noise on that line, much less a PSTN MODEM or ADSL connection.
At my current apartment, I was forced to give up my ADSL2+ Annex M connection (which worked well for me), to be upgraded to NBN over a HFC connection. With the combination of both physical and logical reliability problems of this connection type and the NBN itself, I was suffering outages *EVERY* 1-3 days, which would last anywhere from hours to *DAYS!* An absolute joke!
Thankfully a certain Aussie ISP who purchased a certain fibre provider, ran their own fibre to my apartments, connecting directly into their network and bypassing the *HORRID* NBN.
I'm going on TWO YEARS non-stop uptime with this connection and I always get 90+ Mbps down and 40+ Mbps up. Can't complain about that, but I do feel for my fellow Aussie's who are getting awful service thanks to our incompetent governments.
So your building have AAPT fibre, and AAPT is owned by TPG. have you tried getting TPG's Fibre 400 before? $400/months for symmetrical 400 Mbps connection is pretty decent
pyr0bee kinda late, but damn thets still disgusting.
1gbit is around 90 euros a month in Finland. If your cables can handle it. Most of the houses can only support 100mbit.
@@TheIdiotPlays I pay 90nz dollars per month for ultra fast broadband. That's about 50 euros for 1gig download and 500mb upload unlimited. I thought us kiwis were getting ripped off lol.
@@honortalo8602 It used to be a lot worse a few years back. Even tho the cable was the same speed and cost, the mobile networks were basically unusable. I mean you could get like 2gb of data for 20e/month. At one point it was 10, and now its unlimited. (Wasn't fun as I easily consumed 70-100gb on youtube per month lol)
That Telstra cabinet that you first pointed out is for wideband 2meg services so ISDN 30's ect fed via fibre due to distance
or I guess isdn 50, we have 2 of them in the coms room (just 2 fiber to isdn modules on the wall)
Please engage brain before typing, There is no such thing as ISDN 50 Etsi has more channels thau US with a max of 32 (two of which are for signalling and so it is known as ISDN 30) Us is 24 channel!
Huge island country. 24 million people. Work it out
Uh, they're not talking about fast internet that goes to every square mile of the country, they're talking about fast internet that goes to the population centers where business parks are. That doesn't require fast internet being strung to every corner of the desert, it only requires a few fast connections to other countries and between those population centers. It's expensive, but it's not that kind of expensive. What he's talking about are fast connections that are right there where those other connections come into the country in the first place. If you can't even deliver fast speeds down the block, you're hopelessly unqualified to do the job at all.
Not defending the idiots in power. Just stating fact
There was a plan but the far right pollies fucked it when they managed to get voted in
Good on ya mate great video.
At least they had a vision. Something sadly lacking currently
Interesting overview. Your new to be connected NBN service, which RSP are you using and are they providing Business Grade service levels? Or have you sacrificed the service levels for a cheaper price? Therefore WHEN there is an outage, YOUR service will be treated just the same as a residential service and put to the bottom of the queue to fix. But good luck with it all :)
im a communication engineer for telstra and 70% of what he said was wrong and clearly has very basic knowledge of how things work. what i do agree on is the ridiculous price consumers have to pay for services in this country. unfortunately the greed in this country has gone beyond anyones control.
I agree with you, when he was talking about getting his own fibre put in by telstra to that black box. The would have taken one of the spare fibres from existing oftu across to the black cabinet with switch geear in it. In the scenario it is a dedicated fibre path with no splitting or other users between his end point to the exchange equipment, thus dedicated bandwidth. In a NBN scenario whilst it is fttp in this scenario, the fibre is not not one dedicated path, it is split amongst end points and also the bandwidth of that path is shared amongst other uses on that path.
Wanna hear a joke?
Australian fast speed internet.
I got a better one, i wrote it on your mirror, go see :)
Not a joke if it doesn't exist :P
Wanna hear a TCP Joke?
😂🤣
Wanna hear a joke.
Microsoft has a datacenter in Australia
EDIT: Oh my God! NOT KIDDING THEY HAVE 4 DATACENTERS YES FOUR
East
Southeast
Centeral
Cemteral2
I pay the equivalent of $57 aud in the uk and am getting 64mb down and 20mb up when tested. That's fibre to cabinet. Damn your internet is expensive for 90's tech !
That's business prices in Aus for a consumer with NBN you can be prepared to pay $110/month for 100/20mbps (unlimited)
And here I am with 50MB/s Down/30MB/s Up for 5€/month. Unlimited of course.
thats not bad, but I got 500mb down and 50mb up. I am from Norway :)
Hang on folks, this american has to go change his breeches... 60 down, 6 up for $60/50E.
At least the aussies have compitition. Here in the US, especally in the midwest, monopoly monopoly monopoly...
mb is less than MB. I presume swordquake has 50mb/s 30mb/s and alex has 500 mb/s 50 mb/s
No it's a mibibibi now. (I will never use those stupid fucking things)
That's terrible speeds, nothing to brag about.
This guy is pretty much spot on for a non tech. I am a 35 year experienced no longer Telstra tech with phone system and networking experience and have installed PSTN, ISDN, SHDSL and NBN fibre to the node. I Currently manage a team doing Fibre to the node connections amongst other things. Fibre to the node is ok as a temporary solution but as a permanent solution It's a joke! The original plan was for fibre to the premises which is definitely quicker however one must also remember that any internet site has it's own speed limitations so no matter what speed you may have, the page you are looking at may make it seem slow due to it's own internet connection or popularity. This guy has fibre to the premises but why so many Fibres? The answer is competition and new technology. The existing Telstra fibre is old tech and whilst still good won't deliver the speeds NBN are negotiating.
Wow, just curious: that 20/20 package is a single user connection for how much?
Holy shit!!!
In Canada I pay $102/month for 250 Mbps down and 20 Mbps up.
Unlimited usage as well.
In UK i pay £55 /71USD for 200Mbps and thats bundled with TV 300+channels and movies and phone landline free UK calls for 1 hour. We dont use the landline though, just got it cause it worked out cheaper.
In shitty Portugal 100/10 speeds with TV 29 euros...
Unlimited usage
+Ricardo Fernandes
That's not terrible.
I know, just comparing. the shitty country I live in.
I know that medium wage is a factor, but come on...
Well i pay 60€ for 6/1, hurray for germany the only european country with third world internet (No TV included)
the stoneage called, they want theit internet back :D
Didn't know they had phones back then ??
here in atlantic canada, i'm getting 350mbit/50mbit for under 200/month!!
how can anybody in australia accept those prices??
in spain we get 300Mbit/300Mbit for 50$/month lol, no data cap
michael bishop in sveden i have 1000mbit and im paying 45$/month lel
You have to take in consideration that Canada is a large country, so it costs more to maintain the infrastructure. Plus there's not enough competition to drive the cost down. It's pretty much a battle between Bell and Rogers. Until the government decides to fix a maximum, we're stuck with that, unfortunately. I don't need more than 50/50 (no cap) for my usage. I'm sharing this connection with someone else and I've had no issues so far.
Here in Brazil I have 1300kbps/300kbps for R$160/month (USD $50-60) ADSL2 connection with international latency of 500-600ms on good days.
I get 950mbit down and 100mbit up with phone and huge tv package fibre for $200 a month in NS. The TV has a PVR which records 4 channels, HBO, Movie channels and mobile tv. Also have a wireless hub with AC wireless connection.
Dave were you not able to get TPG's fibre offering for some reason? 400Mbps down, 400Mbps up, unlimited data, $400 per month.
Do you know if the expensive ones were dedicated bandwidth? Those are usually very expensive
In the US things are like that with healthcare : |
Yeah, IF you could get it, at all...
you have a severe misunderstanding and simplification of healthcare in the US.
I rather die then go to the hospital if I get in severe car crash or need to get immediate medical help. Only thing I'd pay for is for the hospital to put me down cause I rather die then be in medical debt.
Electricity, healthcare, internet....its all too pricey here in OZ.
Yup here I think as an american our health care is more more expensive and confusing.
I thought you were Aussie man reviews for a second 😂👀
i thought that as well! he has the same voice! hahahaha
What you said at 7:15 is exactly why the NBN should have never been built. We needed to improve our links OUT of Australia and the interconnects.
There were so many cheaper and better options that would have meant an overall better experience. but we got screwed in the politics.
That is an INSANELY CLEAN MDF compared to what I'm used to seeing! Most of the ones in the buildings I work on are an absolute rat's nest, dog's breakfast, whatever you want to call it. I dread having to do any work on those MDFs, absolute needle in a haystack trying to find the right pair, lots of abandoned cross-connects and taps everywhere, always afraid I'm going to snag something wires criss-crossing everywhere...
not everyone in Australia has a shit connection, had 100+(max300) down 20+(max 50) up for under $100 for the past 10 years with a fringe provider, fuck the majors, telstra still has a government monopoly mentality don't expect it to change anytime soon
Given Telstra's mentality, perhaps the best way to get most of us decent connections would be for the government to give them some marching orders: Get 10% of the population onto 100/100 connections every year or face huge fines.
Telstra in Aus is like BT in the UK. they are constantly receiving Billions of state funding despite their commercial status. Hence they have no desire to produce the best now, they will milk the free cash for as long as it comes.
Independent providers in the meantime who provide decent services have to compete with this state funded behemoth.
Something that is made much more difficult when the state market the subsidised provider and at the same time ignore the existence of the rest or even belittle them.
the best way is to not use them at all for any service.
redtiger546 Dumbshit, You are the 1% that got FTTH on the labor plan, now its the liberals and FTTN
i got FTTH and the highest i got is 96mb down and 34mb up, but i live in Perth. fak
15-20$ for 100mbit/s in Russia.
expensive ! about $7 for 100mbits fiber channel in Europe.
Are you aware that the pitch of your voice was getting higher and higher over the course of this video? You practically sounded like a Monty Python actor pretending to be a woman by the end. Loosen up your vocal cords a bit, you're carrying way too much tension in them.
Racist.
Your comment cracked me up big time. I just imagine the video continuing for another 5 hours, by which time only bats would be able to hear him.
You do realize you got baited HARD.
omfg lmfao
Is it any fucking wonder he was tense ffs lol
Here in Norway my small, rural business just signed a deal with a provider that will give us 10 Gbit/s symmetric fiber. The price? US$ 1500 equivalent a month. No cap. The 1 Gbit/s option costs ten times less but we wanted the best. It looks like Australians are kept hostage by their providers and regulations.
I thought we had it bad in Canada, but that's insane. Here in Canada business plans generally have unlimited bandwidth, or can be upgraded to unlimited for around $10-$20/month, and in most places you can at least get 100/100Mbps over cable, and in newer developments you can get 1/1Gbps over fiber. For $8000/month you could get a dedicated 10/10Gbps line!
Dude just disable comments that's the best option..
Yeah that is a good option......kill communication whilst speaking about it in a video. Great idea.
I hope that viewers don't assume the creator is well informed. I live in Australia and travel regularly overseas. It's not the greatest here by a long shot, but it's nowhere near as bad as reported. A bit of real research will clarify a great many things (understand the Telecom Act constraints, and talk to a real technician about fibre in the CAN, for starters).
For overseas viewer, this is a great example of what Australians would call "whinging". *lol*
"i'm all right Jack" .... obviously your personal internet access here is ok .. not everyone is having that experience
and i'm the opposite - i live overseas and travel to australia frequently. to call your internet infrastructure dogshit is doing a disservice to dogshit. be it your 5-star hotels, CBD offices or mobile data services, i would rank australia in the top 5 worst of any of the countries i travel to in the world - which is most developed and a large number of developing countries due to what i do. the only upside is that in works in my favour as my team know i can't work properly when i'm in australia cos of your medieval technology, so the business trip ends up being comparatively laid back.
talk about being full of shit. Our internet is absolute crap and its why major business' refuse to do work here and are moving overseas.
We are over governed yet see hardly any fruits of governership. Our roads are crap, our internet is crap, our postal system is crap, our transport is crap (except for perhaps Victoria), our monopolies are crap, etc, etc, etc.
After travelling overseas, many Australians share the same sentiment about our "lucky" country
OP: Wrong. Just wrong. you are an uninformed normie.
As someone in the UK I pay £75.00 a month for 200Mb down/ 12Mb up. I looked at a business connection and was quoted about £1,200 a month for full gigabit. Australia is about 10 years behind the rest of the UK.
Why would you need fiber to get a 20/20 signal when regular wire would work fine? Is that like the only option, or what?
NBN at my work in Liverpool, New South Wales Australia. I remember the day of the switch over. All excited thinking I'll actually get to do some work and not wait 30 seconds for each, "page", view on the internet based information system I work on.
About 30 minutes later I called to ask the NBN provider if we're actually on the NBN. They assured me we were.
I found zero difference to what we were on.
I actually have quicker internet at home with Telstra's cable internet than what the NBN provides. My home is 7 kilometres from my work place, so we're in the same ball park, relatively speaking.
I'm a telecommunications technician and those prices are not unheard of for companies here either. But typically invidual consumer fiber is like 5-20€/month and company fiber 2x to 3x as much depending on certain factors.
@6:50 "A lot of houses in Australia only have fiber to the node, which is ridiculous" -> While I agree with this, a lot of houses are stuck on NBN Sky Muster which makes fiber to the anything look amazing. I can see (line of site) the fixed wireless towers, but NBN think I'm out of range so they stick me on Sky Muster. Over 4G (tower is in almost the same place as NBN Fixed Wireless in my area) I can get better speeds, for less money, improved reliability and much less power than Sky Muster. I'm off grid so power is very relevant and NBN Sky Muster modems use HEAPS of power. Despite line of site visibility of the Fixed Wireless tower I'm unable to connect on Fixed Wireless because their map says I won't have signal. The bureaucracy is epic.
That room is spotlessly clean compared to what I've seen. Years ago I worked for 2SER run by UTS and helped set up their first digital system to analogue internet radio services. A old tech and myself sometimes had to go into the Telstra exchange room under the university building. What a dirty and messy place it was/is but still of interest to me never seen the guts of the internet servers running. 2SER's telstra set up running 40 PC's in studio's and news room was slower than my home internet hahaha.
30 sec in the video and see the phone cables and the guy said pairs and I lost it. was expecting dinosaurs and amoebas to show up any second.
Here in Brazil I pay R$135,00(~U$45) for a non-symmetric 10MB/s download, 1,2MB upload cable connection, 80GB cap. Speeds over 300MB/s are available, but may cost over R$310,00(U$100). In the countryside the available bandwidth is much smaller and plans are usually from the kb/s range until 5MB/s, and are almost priced the same. Many people rely on 3G/4G usb dongles, but they usually have a 4~8GB cap and are more expensive.
Many people are just using their smartphones to access the internet instead of using a desktop, although cheaper smartphones are very overpriced due excessive government taxation over imports. An unlocked Moto G costs today R$770,00(~U$250,00), and our minimum wage is R$937,00(~U$300).
That's insane! I had to actually close fullscreen and scroll down to check the publish year on this video. I seriously thought it was like 5 years old.
I live in Sweden and we had fibre installed to our home building like a year ago. I now pay 100 SEK (15.50 AUD) per month for 1 Gbps up and down (1000/1000 Mbps). When I test my connection speed I get 880 Mbps down and 760 Mbps up.
Before we had this fibre connection I got broadband through the cable companys coax cable. I paid 299 SEK (46.35 AUD) per month for 250 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.
Oh, and I have never heard of data caps on broadband in Sweden. Ever. Only on mobile data plans for your phone or similar.
Looks a lot like the MDF room in my apartment building. I got NBN almost a year ago, and watched the tech install it which was pretty cool. Agreed - the state of consumer fibre in Australia is a joke.
Can you please explain what a symmetrical broadband is? As for consumer level a $1800 for 10Mbps connection is obviously non sense. The one I have is from Harbour ISP (ok not Telstra but they are just a bit cheaper) for $69/m for 25Mbps.
大K,KonyZulphrea but I don't quite get it... is it the same as normal gpu and quadro cards? You pay for the reliability and some professional features
As an Australian I literally hate NBN. They tore up the ground and made us lose connection for a couple of months, and then they gave us wifi which was shittier than the stuff we had before. They basically forced us to use their wifi.
I live in Romania and these are the prices for my current ISP, I converted them to US dollars.
This is for home use, not corporation, and its FTTH free installation.
300 mbit download, 150 mbit upload is 7.26 USD /mo
500 mbit download, 250 mbit upload is 8.82 USD /mo
1 Gbit download, 500 mbit upload is 10.11 USD /mo
Also there is no bandwidth limit, and they also grant 3 wifi accounts so you can connect to their free wifi sevice spread throughout the towns.
Try 70AUD for 3Mbps down/0.4 up lol
There is a difference between residential internet and business internet, as a residential customer we are subject to caps also though they are not stated clearly in our contracts. we are also paying for asynchronous speeds generally. businesses pay for synchronous speeds (generally), a higher priority (generally a dedicated link to the CO) where residential customers are on a shared medium and you have to store LEC (local carrier) and in some cases CLEC equipment onsite at a business. all of this equates to higher installation/construction prices and higher internet prices for businesses.
Insane pricing, residential we pay like £40 a month for 150mbps down, 10mbps up for cable FTTC (5-10ms ping). Standard FTTC delivers 70/20 with roughly 5-8ms ping and on a commercial setup this can be bridged with another connection to make 140/40. 50/50 FTTP on a leased line was quoted as approximately £5k per year.
I feel that part of the issue is actually that there's so many different providers in AU, each rolling out their own network. In some countries, there's a monopoly or duopoly and naturally they can operate much cheaper for the exact reason you mentioned. Sometimes, competition can result in higher prices
I thought that in Italy we would be in the divide part of the digital divide, but as I saw your costs I must admit that we are really lucky!!
£60 (100AUD) in a new block of flats in a big city in England in 2017 will give you FTTP 1Gbps download and upload. Fibre to the cabinet is available in rural towns, for as little as £30/mo but it's 30Mbps down and 15 up last time I checked (last year). Great for small servers, which is what I used it for. crazy it costs so much over there!
Whenever I hear stories like this my first assumption is it's government involvement that screwed it. The free market would never create such a bizarre situation.
in Germany we pay 20-120€ for 16mbit/s - 1000mbit/s. typicaly ADSL/ (Super-) Vectoring VDSL or FTTH. normaly the Provider uses the old copper cables, but a few years ago, the Providers began to build Fiber to the home, I actually work in the company , where we build the Fibercables in the Houses and Offices, and another Team build the pipes with the Cables outside from the Gray Boxes (NVT) into the Houses.
In my area, you just have to pay around $30 for a fibre broadband connection. Here optical fibre is used extensively for Internet and Cable TV distribution.
I work in the telecom industry. It is widely known that the service providers in Australia are absolute control freaks with ideas and plans firmly rooted in technologies that were outdated in 1999.
Eastern Europe here, that's pretty much what we had 15 years ago, including prices. It's so outdated I'm not even sure how to build stuff like this anymore and it's my profession - I can build you a fiber to location solution in a blink of an eye ... the ISP where I was working last is going for the 1G symmetric fiber-to-home offerings right now, at about 26$ aud/month (fiber-to-home meaning you get an actual optical fiber in your room, plugged into a small 1G router box). And this comes with 130 channels of TV multicast on the fiber.
150/150mbit FTTP in Canada for under $30/mo... i think i have a cap, its a couple of terabytes?
The problem isn't the fiber in Australia-the problem is the lack of undersea cable in & out of Australia. Google wound up deciding that it was cheaper to lay their own cable.
I think the higher tier NBN plans have been unlimited for a few months now.
When I started out, I had many periods of 10-15mbps down, but I could upload at 35mbps pretty much always - was kind of funny, but it's stabilised now and I usually get around 95mbps down.
Who are you with?
Just caught this. So, three years on, is the Internet infrastructure improved at all, or is it still gobsmacking expensive for very low speeds?
Fast forward to 2021, I have fiber to the home now and 1gig (connect at 920meg down and 47meg upload)connection for $99/month unlimited downloads
@@dogcom34 that's a considerable improvement. 😁
ADSL in 2017?
$100+ prices?
Phone lines? IN the building for INTERNET?
You're right, this is insanity :)
Here in NZ, I'm on a 100mb/s symmetrical, unlimited Fibre line, plus a fibre phone and free national calls for $89 a month. It's freaking blazing. It's like an old school LAN, basically. I'm doing about 500 Gigs a month.
1850/month for 10x10m with a cap of 100gb? I work for centurylink in Washington and install sequential 1gb to homes and businesses for 129 and 600 a month respectively. Those prices are ridiculous!
I use about 250GB per month in our household in the UK. 400KB down, 40KB up ADSL - £35 monthly unlimited (slightly rural - 3 miles from city !). When i saw the 100GB cap i almost coughed my coffee back up !
I have NBN on Co-Ax for Optus home broadband. $85/mo. I'm getting 25/5 Mbps speed at best of times.
Can't wait for SpaceX starlink internet.
MDF is the Central Office, It's not your buildings phone room. To the left you either have a direct feed underground or aerial terminal both in which start at the Central Office(MDF). TO the right you have either house or block cable which go to a centralized room on each floor or to term block in each office. ISDN OR ADSL, not IDSL... Are you sure you know what you are doing?
that box next to the telstra rack is actually Optus , its called an FTP and provides fibre connections to small medium enterprise
customers in the building it can be voice over IP internet P2P basically any bandwidth up to 1gbs they don't provide residential services
It's absolutely ridiculous that in this day and age, we still have internet plans with data limits. It's something I refuse to accept.
I signed up with optus cable, which is unlimited. About a month later, Telstra called and tried to get my business. I told them I am not interested in a plan which had a data limit, which they have (500Mb).
When I talk to friends overseas (in so many different countries), they can't believe the state of the internet here.
Given the concrete utility room, I was hoping for more actual spiders that crawl their web traffic. 😁
Are your options limited because its a business? Do residential customers have more choices and more economical options? In the US telecom's really like to stick it to businesses (because they figure you're making money), but consumers get WAAAY better internet than you have at a fraction of the price.
Here in America, my apartment complex has a deal with Spectrum (formerly Bright House). I get 300Mb/s down and 120Mb/s up. I had to get my own gear to get the most out of it, but now I get 21MB/s regularly. All for $54.28/month
"Boring switch gear?!" YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!
Hey, not to worry. Mr.Broadband is building the "Snowy Hydro 2.0"; so expect your lights to just go out, or elctricity to cost so much no-one can afford it.