WHY MAGNUS THE RED IS THE GREATEST PRIMARCH!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we kick off a little mini series on the channel with the case for why EACH Primarch is the Greatest! And today we kick off with Magnus the Red!
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Magnus is the case for why you need a VPN and anti-malware when browsing the warp.
If Magnus did stay loyal the siege of terra like would never of happened because Magnus could man the throne indefinitely or the very least vast amounts of time
Yeah he is the greatest, you have convinced me.
Just came in here to say you're wrong + L ratio #TheLionGang
Magnus should have killed Erebus to prove his point to Horus.
He couldn't
I would say Magnus the Red is arguably, the greatest example of wasted Primarch potential.
guess james workshop hate psykers
That would be Angron.
@@Turnil321 Angron had far less potential to waste.
@@shadowgod1797 That or they just hate gingers.😜
That would be Curze
I never understood why Magnus wasn't ever angry enough at Horus for Horus tricking Russ into destroying Prospero.
Because Magnus has kept up his delusion
@@ZaKRo-bx7lp No in this video we hear Magnus say that he knows what Horus did so what's delusional about Magnus?
Probably has something to do with not having his noble shard.
@@maxwellbajwa9190He got told specifically that's not how the Shard nonsense works. He's not Adolnasium....
As a fan of Russ and honestly Magnus as well I have always found it weird that he didn’t hate the brother which set in motion the betrayal of not just Magnus but Russ himself as well. I mean Magnus knew Russ was manipulated by Horus but preferred to hate Russ and the 6th instead of Horus and the sons of Horus. I don’t know just never made sense
It seems like with his pyschic power he should have been the strongest primarch easily but always end up losing because reasons
Every Magnus fight: Magnus gets the upper hand and strikes the killing blow BUT SUDDENLY a wolf/salamander/other bullshit gets in the way distracting Magnus and giving his brother the opportunity to beat him"
Let's sum it up as Magnus not being as bent on destroying his brothers as he makes it seems.
Hes the definition of "I never wanted this." An enemy that hates what they're doing probably isn't going all out
Writers needs to be put in their place ffs. Everyone either make him all powerful or make him weak. Its so stupid and disorganized
Yeah the plot necessitates him losing. Meh
He literally has the power to explode heads, evaporate blood, enlarge his form to giant proportions, but he's never been so hateful as to want to commit his full powers into winning
Magnus is the greatest tragedy. His every attempt to do the right thing barred with horrible options, hurdles or side-effects fate throws at him. In that sense, he is a reflection of his father. He sees the lighthouse across the body of water but knows not the way there and the monsters that lurk beneath.
Well, at the same time he was faced with multiple situation where doing what he did was literally the worst option. Like when he decided to warn his father by ignoring the ban of nikea, willfully destroy the massive psychic wards around the imperial palace, and stride into the front gate as a blazing spectre.
I mean... He really could have just taken a space ship like a normal dude when him and his entire legion were already on thin ice.
@admiralmurphy1543 the argument for why that'd be dumb as hell is in this video.
@@admiralmurphy1543 The ship would have taken too long. With that being said, the story Magnus, and of his Thousand Sons, is one of being undone by relying on powers they thought they understood; the Fleshchange, the breaching of the Imperial Webway, and the Tutelaries. Especially their use of the Tutelaries as guides to the warp, and means of gaining more power. Everything has a price.
@@admiralmurphy1543 Are you not aware of what Nurgle did to the Death Guard?
Imperial ships going between star systems travel through the Warp, and the Warp is the domain of the Chaos Gods. If he had gotten on a ship, he probably would have ended up in the belly of the beast even faster.
As far as "willfully destroying the massive psychic wards around the imperial palace," you forget that immediately prior to him projecting himself into the palace, he had projected himself into Horus' mind to try to stop him from falling to Chaos, and in so doing he had encountered identical psychic wards put in place to try to prevent his interference. It was perfectly logical to assume that the second set of barriers had been erected for the same purpose.
He's the only primarch that's never done anything wrong. Ever. Not once. Yup.
Of all the chaos gods to come after you Tzeentch would be my most feared, just a web of your life. Every path seemingly wrong even when you intend well. Magnus did wrong but he sure didn’t think he was.
to be a contrarian, what has he done right?
Not nearly as bad as Russ
He was told to do 'nothing', and he did 'nothing' wrong
He did everything right and they indicted him.
Magnus: "Hey uncle Malki! I'm here for my noble shard the best part of me, have you seen it around?"
Malcador: "Eww you still wanted that thing? I used it to make my own legion brah oopsie daisy!"
Magnus explodes Malcadors body
Magnus: "Oopsie poopsie did I do that?!"
Justified.
What if the Emperor had found Magnus first and confided in him about the Webway Project?
he technically spoke to magnus first, right? they met in the warp astrally
@kelakogreenaddict1888 True though that's not entirely the same as finding him.
Space and time have virtually no meaning in the Warp, after all.
Either way, I still wonder how differently things would have played out if the Emperor had confided in Magnus.
@@UncleMikeDrop that’s true- I wonder why big E didn’t go to him once they spoke to each other in the warp- surely magnus could project a map of the stars to Big E and he could have gone to prospero much quicker
@@kelakogreenaddict1888 Maybe even a warp gate of sorts could have been established.
Let’s see your case for Lorgar 😂
He’s the creator of the 2 dominant religions in the entire galaxy
Lorgar is the only Primarch who actually won the Heresy. He ushered a brother into immortal; a brother not even his father could save. He changed the face of the galaxy, and he was proven right in his arguments at almost every turn. Horus died, the Emperor was crippled, Lorgar became immortal. That is the epitome of victory.
@@theodoremccarthy4438 this is quite good, actually! Not enough to be “the greatest” but we can say he had his successes
@@theodoremccarthy4438 Yep exactly. Although, one retcon I could handle is that he isn't a "Daemon" but something else... which would allow him to operate in real space and finally kill Abaddon to give Chaos it's true leader.
#Lorgarforwarmaster
@@samhobbs9116 I thought that the point of Daemon Primarchs/Princes is that, because they start as physical beings, they can operate in realspace unless banished. They just tend to live on worlds steeped in the warp because they have more power and freedom there.
Given Lorgar’s role as The Heirophant (see Tarot symbolism) of Chaos Undivided, I would also like to see him more active. I would prefer that he act as a counselor to Abaddon. Helping Abaddon figure out what he really wants to do and be, instead of just following his father’s vision of tearing down the Imperium. Lorgar, as a character, should help other characters be better characters. Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone at GW has enough understanding and respect for the role of religious figures to know how to use Lorgar and the Wordbearers effectively.
Do you think magnus's fate would have changed if the emperor did not demand his legion to be exterminated, but instead be allowed to live out the rest of their lives and service to the imperium?
The emperor would have explained that the thousand sons could not be saved but would be allowed to live out the rest of their lives with dignity.
This, the Emperor should have done this! He's such an imbecile really.
Yes. My first thought then.
For sure; but unlike Magnus, the Emperor did everything wrong.
That would have fully pacified Magnus, one simple thing and the Emperor was too arrogent and proud to recognise that Magnus truely loved his sons.
The name Magnus actually means 'greatest.'
Same root word as Magnitude, and magnify, magnum opus, and magnificence etc.
Was this not common knowledge? Been seeing a lot of Magnus being op videos recently and I was like, the "psyker" primarch? The one that instaported to Terra? Bro is mad levels of powerful
i don't know about "greatest" but of all the Primarchs he was THE ONE needed for the Emperor's plan
He still probadly is. He alone can replace the Emperor on the throne now, so Emp can do what he need to. Emp is a prisoner at the throne as much as Magnus is trapped in his new service
You are given the power of a near-god, able to reshape reality around you and interact directly with the warp. Then you're introduced to your sons, who are mutating and dying en masse. Your even more godlike father doesn't offer to help you cure them, just dumps them in your lap and says "Best of luck, champ! I have total faith in you!" And even though you, more than any of your brothers, ought to be explicitly told "oh by the by, there are gods of Chaos in the warp who double-deal and ruin people's lives" he doesn't explicitly tell you that. Despite you being painfully naive, idealistic and way out of your depth. And he'd know that because he supposedly travelled the warp with you and knew you for years before even meeting you in person. The Emperor did everything wrong as a father and expected his son not to similarly screw up.
Magnus, Perturabo, Ferrus Manus were all Squandered Plotlines that could have completely changed the landscape but never will.
He's probably the strongest of them, but thats a negative, cause it isn't easy to write a book/novel about a god like guy and make it interesting, so he always ends up " Banished " by everyone, its really annoying to be a Thousand Sons guy to be honest, i just want a " Son of the forest " style Magnus book, a redemption book is on my top 3 " want " list in Warhammer.
This is a bad take, but how about this ; Magnus ( for some damn reason ) is on Terra, the Emperor...dies(?) and without a second thought Magnus places himself upon the throne, only silence remain in the throne room except the sound of the throne itself as everyone waits for the inevitable doom from Vulkans bomb, but nothing happens, Lion and Robute stands close, weapon in hand, staring at Magnus as he lets out a shriek that shakes the very foundations of the palace, a bright light takes hold around Magnus, burning away the corruption from his body and soul --- i'm not a writer, but man, i want Magnus back.
He is so.smart that he goes all the way and.becomes dumb for.some reason, i guess tzeench drained his intelect shard
*reads title*
Russ would disown you.
Idk why but when i read that, i pictured that one episode of Venture Bros where the OSI confront Venture and like.
"We love your stuff when it works and let you fiddle around, but when it comes to the big boy league. Dont get us mad, aint no one going to save you."
Axing people is strong but when you have a femboy throw a planet at you... scales may favor the planet thrower.
Russ is a idiot.
I suspect that one of the lost primarchs was probably Magnus' redundancy.
Good shout.
Magnus did nothing wrong. He was told to do nothing and he did something.
If the emperor had listened in the first place to magnus, told russ to ignore horus because he was under suspicion and brought magnus back to terra, it could've been very interesting. Who knows some kind of battle against the traitors where the wolves and thousand sons had to work together to get to terra...
Angry space wolf typing
He's the primarch with the most images of them being half naked. Truely the only marker of true greatness
By that metric, Putin is the greatest ruler since togas went out of style.🤣
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Imagine: powerful Chosen of Tzeentch always at war (with the Lord of Change Tchzen of the Silver Claw at their side)!
Who with their mighty fire serve the God of Magic in the pure way, with victory in battle.
So do his Sorcerers, who teach battle to the zealous Warriors of the Architect of Fate.
With war they bring eternal change for Tzeentch!
Tzeentch must look like Norsca, and there are several Champions who prove it: Tchar'zanek, Aekold Helbrass, Albodi, Melekh the Changer.
"My name? Long ago such worthless details fell from memory. I know only the lust for glorious battle -- for blood, for victory! I seek only the Eye of Tzeentch -- his favour, his grace, his Dark Gifts -- that through them, I may be remade -- reborn! Why do we raid your lands? Why do we burn your homes? Why do we flay your flesh? To serve the Lord of Change and his magnificent designs."
Do you know what the Screamers of Tzeentch must look like?
Long tail but raven wings and beak, without claws however because being creatures of change they must always fly and never stop.
And since purple, pink, and gold (Slaanesh) are aspects that simply don't go well with Tzeentch, then blue, azure, and silver are his only true aspects.
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I like to imagine (even before the Heresy) Magnus and the Thousand Sons with the symbol of the Egyptian Raven (let's eliminate the symbol of the Egyptian Scarab, it is an insult to Tzeentch).
In the time from the heresy to current 40k, IF Magnus had saved the Rubric Marines, fought against Chaos on his own, and disowning any sons that had fallen to chaos....then the greatest. But he turned. For the love of his sons yes.
Horus wasn't the true target of corruption nor was beginning the emperor's corruption into the dark king but Magnus' fall from grace for only by removing him from the board could the 40k setting be as it is. I personally think Magnus is the only one that could break free from chaos by himself and revert back to a more mortal form, IF he were to get his noble shard back as it would balance him out mentally and return closer to what he once was. Or if bitch snitch tzeentch were to throw him into the well of time, or whatever he chucked Kairos into that gave Kairos that second head lol, as I think Magnus could pull some 'snatch my soul shards in time before they disappear' and come out to beat the fuck out of the hentai god of lies and birds 😂😂😂
Magnus was destined to fall zeench had his eye on him since his birth.
Eye see what you did there
Can we now just thank Curze for giving Vulkan the tolerance to get used to being murdered all those times? Anybody? All right...
I don’t mind the heresy, nearly destroying humanity future, emo phase, and killing malcador. But by the Emperor, what is it with those nipple horns?
😂 “horn tits”
Magnus did everything he could to save the universe from being boring. He's subconsciously breaking the 4th wall and making the best choice every time to sell more toys!
Magnus had so much potential, but also hubris to match.
Magnus was not meant for the throne. Vulkan the undying was.
"and who has a better story than Magnus the Broken?" Lol
Makes you wonder if one of the missing 2 Primarchs were more physically developed as the only other seems to be Lorgar but it’s not even remotely the same.
He was a very naughty boy!
Greatest at not listening maybe.
I've never felt so heard.
The glazing of Magnus
Who thinks that TTS has permanently skewed the perception he has?
Skewed in the right direction, no matter what GW says.
Just imagine the "surrender to the Chaos Gods" scene they could of did.
Like who actually thinks Morty isnt a big pos in 30k and imagine getting so disowned by your own marines your former second in command would of been mutated more if it wasnt for your primarch genes.
Magnus is the g.o.a.t.
Russ ain't gonna like you've made this vid
Traitor lord rho.
Magnus better get his Bunny suit on. As that was he was meant to be. A Duracell battery. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duracell_Bunny
Why do you think he was red?
@@jaskim5723 Constipation :)
The word greatest is an opinion. I don't know, bro any of them will do that. I guess that's why you're making a video good job
What would've happened if Magnus the Red had stepped into a rift and appeared outside the gates of the Imperial Palace, when the forces of Chaos were laying siege? Just imagine: titans are being crucified against the walls, Death Guard are butchering people and the Emperor's Children are running riot: THEN THE THOUSAND SONS LEGION APPEARS, LED BY MAGNUS.
There is going to be some hilarious videos coming up.
Why Fulgrim is the greatest - He was into bedroom antics SO kinky even Slaneesh was taking notes.
Why Angron is the greatest - Erm ... well he ... erm ... yeah good luck with that.
p.s. tl;dr Sanguinius was the greatest, end of conversation.
Magnus had loyal intentions, but he STILL f'd up. It's just the truth. There's no way to "splain" out of it. 😅
Trying to blame the Emperor for his f-up is just bs. It's what little kids do when a parent tells them no about something and there's serious consequences for disobeying and doing what was forbidden anyway.
Magnus didn't tell his legion that the Wolves were coming, or why. He let them be butchered.
Then, later, he was offered absolution, by The Emperor, but refused because he was unwilling to forsake those same irredeemable sons.
That, above and beyond his many other screw-ups, is why I dislike Magnus.
Magnus failed his one true responsibility which BigE offered to him, The Imperium over his own desires. IMO his is the greatest failure of all the traitor Primarchs, he had a deep relationship with BigE, arguably stronger than BigE's with Horus. Both of them psychically meeting before physically and being able to communicate across the Galaxy telepathically. My hope is BigE has a plan for Magnus to return to the fold and I bet it has to do with that missing shard.
Not the greatest, I don't think. Magnus had a backup in Lorgar, where as Lorgar was more concerned with faith than truth, both legions were incredibly potent psychically, as evidenced by the Word Bearers being concerned with witchcraft and sorcery, with particular focus on daemonology after the fall.
I think a loyalist Lorgar could have sat the throne as well.
And while Magnus got a raw deal, top down, Greatness is defined by how you deal with the hand you draw. Not by how much potential you have.
The greatest Primarch is beyond any shadow of a doubt, Sanguinius. He wasn't as perfect as he seemed. But he saw his death coming, saw its brutal execution, and went to face it anyway, daring to hope against certainty that he would succeed against fate.
Magnus would have been ba better story if he didn't turn to chaos, but was unable to return to the emperor without his legion, he becomes a massive powerful neutral entity for a time, slowly driving himself insane as he tries and falls to reverse the corruption of his son's so he can return to the emperor.
His psychic abilities about to feel the emperor all around him, but they can no longer communicate, the emperor had gone silent.
Over the next 10k years he tried and falls at his own webway project, he slowly falls to chaos in his own arrogant ability to out outsmart the chaos gods, but his insanity just continues to mount with more paranoia.
His only calming is staring into the astronomicon , the home he yerns for, and it's that light that is his prison, his calm turns to rage. For being unable to fix what he's broken
Can't wait 'till we get to Ferrus Manus and Rho goes: "He's the greatest because... well... you know... He's got iron hands. Pretty coool"
Majorkill did a similar video: ruclips.net/video/H_sqQICuBDs/видео.html&pp=ygUcd2FyaGFtbWVyIG1hZ251cyBub3QgZmFsbGluZw%3D%3D and pointed out that there were chances for Magnus to do the right thing, and IF he had, chaos would have been fucked royally, and gives examples. The Russ one being one of them
Magnus definitely fucked up, he could of easily hopped on a flight to Terra instead of sacrificing humans(willfully but still human sacrifice) and making deals with strange oddly helpful warp entities when his way was initially and rightly blocked. But instead of waking up and hopping on his 15km long warship with the most talented navigators in the universe and spend a week or a day or 2 getting to terra. Instead he makes a deal with the devil to burst in like the koolaid man and doom all humanity forever. Magnus made the worst decision every chance he had to make a decision. Malcadore was right, Magnus should’ve known better and when confronted he hid and pouted and watched his world needlessly burn only to sell the survivors to Zeetch to run away.
Magnus' only crime was thinking he knew better than the Emperor. He never wanted any of this. Probably the most tragic of all traitor primarchs aside from Angron, who never had a chance.
Magnus is easily the most Nerfed Primarch. He is second only to the emperor with his psyker ability. Meaning stronger than malcador which means he could have "unmade" Horus or any other Primarch for that matter.
the big red chicken was screwed from day one, his ultimate destiny was to be continuously roasted sat on the golden throne instead of his "loving" father, don't make me laugh. He was so powerful he couldn't see what would happen when he went blundering into the webway and his dad's stay out room?????? otherwise love the lore and vid's
Unfortunately I believe Tzeentch always had his sights on Magnus. Knowing the Emperor wanted to keep the truth about chaos secret, Tzeentch probably subtly manipulated everything he could in Magnus' life to orchestrate the perfect set of circumstances in which one of the most loyal sons of the imperium would not join chaos, but specifically would fall directly under his influence against the Emperor
That's what makes him so special, being so powerful and intelligent, and yet he got corrupted, for example no one cares if Lorgar got corrupted or not
What I don't get is why magnus didn't just go turn himself in to Russ alone. He knew he was there for blood either way. At least that way the planet might have been saved.
He might even have been able to explain Horus' treachery.
Gag.
All he had to do was...nothing. He thought he was smarter than both the Emperor and Tzeentch, and now he doesn't even own his own soul.
Pathetic.
This is all well and good yes but there is only one Primarch that is brightest and greatest we all know him and love him. The greatest fighter the greatest symbol, compassionate and best looking ;) the Great Angel , even among his brothers he is so much more. :)
You know, for obvious choices of Traitors and Loyalists. You could easily swap the Khan and Magnus and it would make sense. If that would have happened Horus probably would have been defeated. All Russ would have had to do was... not follow Horus' orders.
Question just hit me - Given one of his shards was used taken from him is in a way a second betrayal in magnus's view no ? As Wolf Lord Rho mentions in this Vid he remained neutral even saving people Until he find out about his shard.
I think of all the traitor Primarchs Magnus is the best option for redemption, he is truly the one with the power to change the fate of the Imperium.
Don't get me wrong im not saying Guilliman and the Lion won't be able to change the Imperium but not to the same degree as to what Magnus could achieve, especially if he was to have thier help
lmao Rho has challenged himself with this video series prompt. Advocating for Lorgar being the greatest is going to be like pulling your own teeth.
If you agree with that "Primarch Redundancy" was intentional the either the 2nd or 11th was A psycher.
i dont think magnus was the only one made for the golden throne. Angron showed really strong psychic powers and assuming his power to remove peoples' pain could be amplified, he could be used to cleans chaos corruption like a beacon of hope through the throne
For a super intelligent being, why force his way directly to the Emperor when he could have contacted Malcador?
I still think sanguinius who is the greatest, as he alone by his presence could make every citizen in the empire follow him out of love and respect as he was the angel. That he was set in so high regards by all his brothers.....and lets face it, even the gods of chaos wanted him not horus or magnus to lead there forces against the emperor.
😂😂😂 That was a good laugh, thank you. Magnus the nerd the best primarch? hilarious.
Greatest primarch for well intentioned fuck ups maybe. he already let his legion to die on prospero, he pissed on his redemption offer.
I think Magnus was the most instrumental primarch in the emperors plan the dream died when Magnus fell
Unless magnus was was the redundancy and the 2nd or 11th was in fact the true heir of the throne..
Magnus is not the greatest. Not even close. He made every wrong choice possible.
I think that there was a second very strong psychic primarch but he was deleted from the records.
The fact he is the only one to sit on the throne makes me think at least one if not both of the last primarchs were also psychics. The emperor did tend to have a back up plan, nodt of the time.
That one guy: Greatest in the fail department.
Also that guy: gets blasted and forms a new Choas God of backtalking.
Lorgar would be a possible psyker replacement for Magnus.
this must've been a painful video for a woofy boy to make
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- Magnus the Nerd 🍪
You forgot to say that Vulcan eventually messed up Magnus real good.
Sorry rho I don’t speak wrong can you say that again with a calibanite accent?
As a Tsons guy, I am huffing this copium like it's my last gasp of air
He was made to sit on a 6 for some so smart. He got he into single handed to destroy the thing that could have saved them all.
Lorgar’s episode will be the shortest video ever. Calling it now.
The greatest and most wasted one. He was the key to the emperors plan and also its downfall
I love Magnus...in a way. But this will be a stretch 😂
why did the Emperor wnat Magnus to get rid of hia legion?
It wasn't Magnus's fault that Galaxy had gone mad.
Doing everything wrong takes a certain kind of greatness
Nice short series then, the answer is yes, and we're done, right?
Magnus the greatest? Errr...how about no, lol
Make a video about who is the reddest primarch
Easily the best story and the worst design.
Always thought he had the possibility of, if not being the most powerful Primarch...isn't he the physically biggest?
Through Psychic means he can project whatever size he wants. Vulkan however is said to be the physically biggest in the true sense.
Magnus the greatest missed opportunity
If you think about your comment on multiple Primarch bring able to fill multi roles if need, i.e. redundancy. It does beg the question, what was the redundancy for Magnus? Are we certain another Primarch didnt have the capacity, if not the cultivation of, deep psychic powers? Are we absolutely certain?
Lorgar sadly had latent psychic abilities that unlocked after he visited the Eye of Terror.