The problem with Facebook was always its incentives. It could benefit humanity but it was more profitable to spread abuse and rage. So they did. So will the meta verse, as long as a corporation is running it.
The metaverse will have "spaces" that are not family friendly and safe, and you shall know that. To be real with you, it wasn't really "Mark Zuckerberg who built Facebook and the metaverse, it was you it was always you.
@@recnepsyarg Don’t let a single corporation achieve monopoly control over that space. Enable more companies to own parts of it so a user can move freely between.
I can't help but notice how technogies such as the internet started with so much promise also. But unless we are honest about the failings of the internet how can we lean into anything? Metaverse will be dystopian, no doubt, but the sad thing is we won't even recognize it.
Yes. It’s now a fact that social media has a high risk of causing mental illness, how can VR social media platforms be better? People will always be people, ya know.. isn’t it easier for people to bully, abuse and harass others if they can be this avatar in metaverse? That’s what I’m thinking. And isn’t it even easier for extremist groups to manipulate more people from the other side of the world if they can create a VR space just for their toxic ideas ? 😩
You’re right, just like how people don’t see how social media is affecting their thinking and behaviors. Or self-esteem. This is just another way to alter someone’s mind, waste money, control how we think
I like how through digital twins, metaverse will allow for replication of buildings, cities, and even the earth to better understand our impact on the environment and help advance climate science.
Think about it, TV became commercialized immediately, internet was seperate but when it become saturated enough with users the corporations were right there.....keeps happening over and over
Im on my 2nd year of not having facebook. It has helped my mental help a lot. I was almost stuck in a conspiracy bubble where the only contents shown and suggested to me were only conspiracies. Even reseting what pages i liked and what people i followed, facebook still suggested to me questionable conspiracies. So i decided to delete it
6 years ago I did the same, life was instantly better. Same with nearly all social media. Left all of them, all except YT. I'll never be in the metaverse, that's for sure, no ads for me.
Thinking that people who barely have access to enough food and water can now profit from the metaverse shows the world this guy lives in. Even if they did have access to internet, it'd likely nor be at a speed that supports the metaverse nor would there be any reason for people to not just watch recorded classes. Why would anyone need Meta for that?
Fully agree! Somehow they are tell that people in need don't need care and assistance, they will need some expensive and stupid VR Googles to play childish games... that will be very inclusive... the hypocrisy!
@@paulocoelho558 I don't think it's hypocrisy as much as general unawareness of poor people's actual life because they live in this rich bubble where they think being poor means not being able to afford your mechanic or daily starbucks.
Adding value to digital goods requires the metaverse. Currently digital items only exist in the app/game they are in. How much would shoes at Walmart be worth, if you couldn't take them out of Walmart? It really is about money.
He theorizes grand ideas to use meta/vr for education for the unprivileged not knowing the first thing about the economics of poor people especially in rural areas. Cost of power, internet, hardware, software, teacher etc be damned
Biggest myth in the metaverse: That it is a thing. It is not it is just a word co-opted by people looking for the next big thing, Zuckerburg, cryto bros, etc and they can not agree on what the metaverse is because it isn't an idea or a thing, it is just a vague word for the something that "will be the next big thing". Also all of the criticisms he's trying to dispel have already happened.
"the metaverse will be the wonderful new frontier of the human experience, all the bad stuff you felt and heard and read? nah bro, look how cool this is, going to a concert but worse? hell yeah my dude. we didn't think we were sucking enough attention from you and then selling it to advertisers with regular social media and youtube so the metaverse is gonna be sooooo awesome you guys, I really mean it. - Guy who has large amounts of money invested in a metaverse crypto index
@@norapeace6526 i know haha like 15 seconds in I was like damn this sure feels like a sales pitch and not a smart guy showing me better ways to be smart. Look the dude up, absolutely no surprise he's a venture capital bro endlessly looking for new ways to suck out just a little more money from peoples attention. Make sure you're wearing your VR headset for at least 12 hours and spend more metacoin on metareal-estate for when you come home from your metajob. I hate the future.
Instagram and TikTok are super toxic and people are addicted to them. Some people don’t even know how addictive and toxic it is to them but they still go on. So I find it hard to believe that we’re not gonna go on Metaverse even if it’s bad for them
The fact is some people take the stuff very seriously, and some of them disagree with each other which means you will find strong opinions on both sides. It doesn't make everybody with an opinion a propagandist.
Maybe there a version of a metaverse that at some point could be the next version of the internet that we all naturally gravitate towards and want to be a part of, but it won’t come from meta (Facebook) and it won’t involve us putting on a clunky headset and holding controllers in our hands - way too much effort and discomfort involved. The internet evolved from something you needed to take over your phone line with and sit at a desk in front of a desktop computer to use, to something you can access anytime, anywhere, from the palm of your hand. We expect that kind of ease and comfort now. We’re not willing to go backwards on that, especially for a half baked experience that looks like garbage and serves no real purpose as of yet other than to try to enrich a single company with a terrible track record for privacy abuse.
I agree with most of what you are saying but your assertion that the version of the metaverse won't come from Meta is a bit short sighted. FB is pouring money and R&D into the metaverse...they've essentially gone all in and they still have lots of money to bank roll them...What that means is they can afford to iterate through it...fail and improve...the clunky headsets you are talking about....well those are just the first versions and I am pretty sure in 20 years it would be much small tech driving the metaverse.
It’s not just about the headsets, we already spend too much time on our phone and watching television, why would we want to go anywhere else to replace that when we should be spending more time in the real world or with friends and family and meeting new people. Spending money on virtual reality makes no sense when you can’t use those things in reality. I just see it as another way to control the way we think, what we spend our money on, and what we believe
@@johnbuckner2828 like what? Social media now is full of people sexualizing themselves, propaganda, consumerism, materialism, ads. Why would you want a virtual reality with the same stuff?!
@@norapeace6526 I was thinking more along The lines of something like plant identification when you’re out hiking. Augmented reality could help you identify plants; useful things like that.
There are some enormous misconceptions going on in his argument here. First of which is the dystopian angle; no-one is saying the metaverse itself will be a dystopia, it's the outside world that will become a dystopia as we leave it behind to live more and more of our lives in this virtual world (in a scenario where the metaverse takes off as a concept, which it's highly unlikely to do), becoming neglectful of reality around us. As an aside, I also find it creepy as fuck that he says "Quote unquote reality". Secondly, the idea that it will replace television as a leisure activity is flawed. The act of watching TV is PASSIVE. We do it (as couples, as families - sometimes by ourselves but not as much as he is purporting, I suspect) passively. Strapping on some VR headset and diving into virtual worlds owned by all the giant tech companies would be an ACTIVE engagement. When people watch TV they want to relax, they want to disengage from being active, perhaps because they've worked a long day already. People won't want to come home from an 8-hour work shift and then "relax" with virtual reality all around them. Some folks play video games, and a small portion of those use VR headsets, that's true, but look at adoption rate: The number of people engaging in VR is a tiny, fractional amount of people who enjoy video games. This 'The Metaverse is definitely coming' narrative is bullshit, plagued with flaws, falsehoods and insurmountable problems (eg. He's still not giving CLEAR examples of what the metaverse can do that can't already be done without it. Interactivity? We already do that with computers, we don't need to be INSIDE the computer to do things like looks at 3D models or diagrams. This is to say nothing of exactly HOW everything is going to be interconnected - what, is every tech corporation suddenly going to open up their walled gardens and play nice with each other?). It's yet another glorified tech-bro pipe dream corporate-greedy-as-fuck snake oil piece of bullshit turd trying to be polished to within an inch of its life by peddlers such as this dude and Zuck because they've already invested heavily in it (whether financially or conceptually) and now are desperate to pass it off as some fatalistic, inevitable next step in human technological evolution. No, it's not. All of the things you will supposedly be able to do in the Metaverse can already be done without it, and have been for a ages. This is a solution looking for a problem, and the sooner it pisses off, the better.
An example of irony is Matthew's act of bringing attention to the drama which underlies dystopian storylines. Drama calling out drama. Meta is continuing in its parasitical predecessor's footsteps (Facebook's footsteps). Predatory business models appear to be the norm. I hope that our species, well, those who are influencing the future of communication, will evolve away from preying upon the clients of the technologies that they create. That they as well as I evolve towards lessening the suffering of others. Wishful thinker am I.
I am not convinced with the education example. We already have adequate technology today to provide free video lectures and gamified apps. Providing education to the poor and unprivileged is an economic problem that should not be grossly simplified like this.
In reality nothing of this big names we will see actually. What we see is virtual porn, more sexual content, people struggling more mentally than education, work and blabla. The human will try to take the addiction to next level
Exactly!!!! More of the same negative things that we have with Instagram and TikTok and Facebook. we need to get off of these devices and get back to the real world
I'm old enough to have been active online when the internet went from niche academic/military platform to a widespread information space and onwards to the intrinsic societal network it is today. People have feared and fantasised over it at every stage. Eventually, the fantasies always turned out to be less imaginative than reality. Sadly, so did the fears. The metaverse will be the same: simultaneously far better and far worse than what is predicted.
more deep fakes, fake news, extremist groups and criminal networks creating their own virtual worlds to get even more people hooked on their stupid ideas.. I’m 36 and I’m really surprised that texting and email is still the most popular form of communication it seems, just like when I was in junior high, but now it’s just much cheaper. Not many people want to use video calls all the time, and I don’t think anyone wants to meet in VR or as holograms.. haha
Its utopian if the metaverse is owned by the commons, say a metaverse supervised by the UN, whose goal is education, social engagement and not profit, but not if its owned by a big tech company infamous for selling user data.
This man is a VC who is the CEO of a company that invests in metaverse startups...having him on as an expert without him divulging his financial interests is incredibly dishonest. He literally has significant financial incentive to get buy-in from people. Really disappointed to see him on here again.
Right, let’s put our kids into a digital environment that over-activates their dopaminergic systems and conditions them for digital interactions. Thanks Mr. Zuck! Like I always say, the best thing about Meta is not having to worry about capital gains tax come tax season!
I know when I’m being sold BS, and this is the biggest time on RUclips that I’ve been sold some BS. Smh. It’s not just about the headsets, we already spend too much time on our phone and watching television, why would we want to go anywhere else to replace that when we should be spending more time in the real world or with friends and family and meeting new people? Spending money on virtual reality makes no sense when you can’t use those things in reality. I just see it as another way to control the way we think, what we spend our money on, and what we believe
When he says it's up to "us" to decide how the metaverse will be, I think he is most probably correct in the way that CEOs, venture investers and corporations like him will decide it.
Classic neo-liberal stunt of passing the responsibility to the people when big corporations and governments shake hands and screw us over. When the world ends up being a horrible place, it's our own fault.
People fighting to maintain power through limiting choices and eating competition rather than by being the best option. Just like most of life that is the face of evil here.
@@thatsmyjam8403 Sure, I'll be eagerly waiting in line to strap expensive nauseating goggles around my head in order to experience a majestic cartoonish virtual experience provided by our beloved Mr. Zuckerberg. I guess I should start saving now in order to afford virtual property. Please, Mr. Z, take all my money!
Download all of our selves into the matrix while big wigs get paid endlessly as they live there life luxuriously in the real world. “Ganna be a no from me dawg” - randy Jackson
@@LionElAton there’s a difference between cellular communication and a television. Compared towards changing your reality, eventually to the point it’s indistinguishable from our own reality. Millions of people downloaded into the future matrix living a false reality vs being rich and living life naturally.
@@LionElAton those were meant to improve mass communications for the human race. beneficial technology. These simulation companies all they care about it profits and taking advantage of you and your life. Enslaved in the matrix.
@@oocloudoo1549 You’re just fearmongering. The same thing could have been said about the time of companies only caring about profit at the birth of personal computing, or cellular phones, or the internet, and yet in every instance, the outcome was not dystopian. You’re basically trying to say “This is different.” But it’s really not.
@@LionElAton we’re already in a dystopian society now with big government and tech censorship. All of the alphabet people with there false morality and virtue signaling. I don’t have to fear monger. That future is already here. This tech will just make it worse 10 fold.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Same with A.I., we are already living in a dystopian society . 1984 is now reality and I don't see things getting any better.
*_1_* We must teach our children at a very early age to think on their feet, to stand alone, to not follow the crowd, and to not bear bullying and hazing. Overall social media is antisocial because it’s a fertile ground where hate, envy, jealousy, gossip, scamming, bullying, and child pornography/prostitution grow fast like weeds; the metaverse is gonna be even worse. Laugh a lot and have face-to-face loving relationships! *_2_* Happiness is within us; that’s why we can have many friends and yet be unhappy and lonely. There’s a big difference between *_aloneness_* and *_loneliness._* *_3_* When love is, the self is not. The self causes most problems and all wars. *_4 Without love and sense of humor life is meaningless._* 💕☮🌎🌌
" we need to LEAN IN, not resist" 😄😄😄 ok Sheryl. Really, very few will self teach physics and its still up to the rescources and availability of this 'tool' globally. You failed to mention things like the lowest common denominator and that dystopia usually have a sort of utopia or concentration of wealth and resources at a centralized power structure. We see that already forming as people pay for virtual real estate and have already positioned their brands to some extent for future profit. Its going to such because we as a species collectively suck and can only ' escape' to anywhere, virtual or otherwise, with all unsovled problems intact.
I will say that I can observe the negative impact social media has had on society. People need to be taught or something how to handle this level of online interaction. I personally think social media has helped to make people less physically active, especially socially. That's just what I've experienced in the last couple decades.
Yeah, a word has no meaning until it is agreed upon. Re watch Mad Men. Call me anything you want - Just don't call me late for dinner. I love the way this is narrated. Very soothing to me.
Seems like a commercial in disguise. Hardly a "Devil's Advocate" episode. The message here: "It's coming whether you like it or not." B.S. C'mon, Big Think. Give us some more critical thinking on this.
My concern is the way that video games affect the brain. They are addictive and they lower inhibitions and inhibit self-control. With the metaverse sucking our time and resources away from reality, it's not going to benefit our real lives very much. I envision a metaverse that kills us with death by a thousand microtransactions combined with dopamine resistance resulting in people no longer eating, sleeping or raising children. Sure, less television is great. But it's easier to escape the grip of television than it is to pull oneself out of internet addiction. Our society has always needed an opiate because we are generally unhappy being forced to spend our time to make other people wildly wealthy so we can subsist. We're not fulfilled by the shallow social connections allowed by our culture and we're baited onto the daily grind by the promise of something we instinctively know we'll never have. They say, if we work hard enough, we can be one of the blessed wealthy. They say, if we spend enough money and time, we can be one of the blessed beautiful. Even if we could finally grab one of these carrots, they wouldn't actually make us happy. I believe we would still be intuitively aware of this big lie in the metaverse where we can be anything we want to be. We would know people still don't like us for who and what we are. We would also know we are interacting with an avatar of a person, not a person, and this will impair our feeling of connection, leaving us in the constant state of dissatisfaction they want us in so we will stay on the treadmill and keep giving them our time, money and power.
Literally anything can be addictive, reading can be addictive. As long as it causes dopamine reliece, that includes, exercise (which can be bad if done to excess), reading, watching shows, booze, kittens, zoneing out, sex, board games, daydreaming, etc. Video games do not reduce inhibitions, this is a lie. You have been lied to, people who want you to be afraid have lied to you about games, they lie to control and manipulate you for their own ends. Games can be bad, games can be good. Cynicism is good in the modern world, it even saves lives. The availability of information has allowed liars and fiends to peddle their bullshit without people having developed the bullshit detectors needed defend themselves. Be more cynical.
point where he talks about metaverse being a substitute for TV is not correct. I can lay on my bed upside down and munch on popcorn and watch some crap on tv. where as I have to be wearing that stupid headset to watch plus I have to be moving my hand and gesturing which I woundnt like to do, I am too lazy for that. dont invent something and find a reason to use it.
I deactivated Facebook because of a longing for something that's real. Now my head is clear and I don't have to listen to everyone else's opinion. There is no way I will be entering the Metaverse.
The meta-verse(s)could be awesome; i’m actually really excited about it, and it does offer potential for accelerated learning around the world. Many possibilities for engineering and technological advancements. But there is no way in hell governments are not going to try to use this Technology to program our minds as they see fit. We are already seeing a public/private merging. It’s not going to be limited to consumerism. Every kid needs to be educated in propagandizing techniques, and how to think critically for themselves, and how to identify a half truths and bullshit before immersing themselves in this environment all day.
Exactly, we see how bad the news media is now and just people being addicted to social media, this is the next step to ruining peoples way of thinking and ultimately their lives. This is a horrible idea and he’s trying so bad to sell us.
First reaction always is fear when people don't understand something, it's a perfectly natural reaction that's engrained into us. The fact that so much misleading information about " the metaverse" is online doesn't help people to be rational about either. Since this technology is still in its infancy we don't know what it's going to be like but it won't be that different from today's social media, it will all depend on how you use it, with both negatives and positives so we need to keep open mind for now.
Except no one agrees on what the meteverse is. To Facebook it is another Second Life, to crypto bros its crypto, etc. The word "meteverse" doesn't actually mean anything, it is a vague term for a technology that will be the next internet. This is why it is getting the money an attention it is getting, the "meteverse" can be anything to anyone. It's not the future because it's not a thing, it just a word with out a definition.
@@clwho4652 that's precisely why we need to keep open mind and not cheer for one idea or other. Granted that there's no official definition of what "the metaverse" is yet but just an idea for now, however whether or not is going to be the future or part of the future is not yet forgone conclusion.
@@clwho4652 It's a universe of universes. It's a universality of digital items, and avatars. That requires a universal descriptor that works with all the engines and games that are part of the metaverse. There will be AI driven avatars, and they will also work on flat screens. The movement is to an internet like system for 3D spaces.
@@gr8life12 "however whether or not is going to be the future or part of the future is not yet forgone conclusion." That is contradicted by: "Granted that there's no official definition of what "the metaverse" is yet but just an idea for now" I would even take that further, the meterverse is not even an idea, it is just a word at this point. For it to be the future it has to be defined first.
The concept of dystopia has a paradox sewn into it. Dystopias are not just cyberpunk high-tech, low-life but also visions such as Huxley's Brave New World. Visions where the dystopian nature of reality is based on dehumanisation. The problem is that our society is naturally moving towards transhumanism and whether we judge the metaverse as utopia or dystopia depends on our views on transhumanism. If we believe that a human mind fully immersed in virtual reality is not morally inferior to one immersed in physical reality, then the metaverse is a step in the right direction. By the way, it just occurred to me that the metaverse could also be an answer to Fermi's paradox. Any sufficiently advanced civilisation, due to energy optimisation, moves into some form of metaverse and ceases to be observable in the physical world.
It's a dystopian nightmare because it is a continuation of the norm made fully visible. The real issue is that the symbols which inform our reality are private and can be controlled by anyone with the largest wallet. Where in an alternative to this is one where symbols are mundane(mutable), and make physical the entirety of human knowledge. And not only that the knowledge AI will contribute so can be symbiotic with them. And not treat Ai as a Blackbox, but understood through shared symbols and stories.
I'm currently engaging in an open conversation about the intersections between technology, language, and automation. And hope you all join me come the start of the new year. I am as old as the internet and learned to use a computer before I could read. My dad had me running around in vr when I was 4 and since then have been dreaming of its possibilities. Imagination made real. But part of that can be our greatest nightmare. I appreciate the video on compatiblism, but am pushing another set of terms: Unification and Automatism. More focused on Automatism itself as a pursuit towards automation, but see it as a path towards Unification, or Unified Theory. Gap in-between our understanding My goal is the new year with my proposal and example. Loved your big think series growing up and thank you for it.
Everyone wondering about the metaverse should lookup how VR can create false memories in children that can't tell the difference between the real and virtual.
The people saying that the metaverse has no future applications are the 2022-version of people that thought television was hurtful or the internet was a farce.
Also way to compare to roblox, whose entire enconomy is based on exploitation of devs (esp with the monopolistic share the roblox company takes, paying you in an in-game currency, making it a glorified, digital company town) and children's impulses with limited-time microtransactions up the wazoo.
lol I think he misunderstood the premise. Its not the CONTENT of the metaverse that is dystopic, it could be pretty cool, see ready player one. Its the OUTSIDE world that will be dystopic, especially if nobody wants to be there anymore and just hides from reality in VR. Reminds me of the arkonides in Perry .
Never tough it was gonna be dystopic, but mostly because to me... it's nothing new, the more i see about the metaverse, the more i wonder "what's supposed to be new about this?" because i did try Second Life 15 years ago, and i believe they did add VR at some point... and this is pretty much the same thing but way way worse. Second Life is quite an impressive thing, it's like it lives in its own world, and even back when i tried, there was people that have given up on their real jobs for second life and subsited on it, so... yeah it's everthing the metaverse wants to be, except that it's not mainstream.
Centralised metaverses (e.g. Horizon Worlds), are not places at all. They're just marketing and communication platforms. Crypto-metaverses (like decentraland and sandbox) ask to be defined as places, but they lack any of the qualities to make them anything other than a non-place.
Important to note the self interest of the speaker, Matthew Ball. Given his interest in the market via “Roundhill Ball Metaverse ETF” it is clear this video is simply corporate propaganda. Continue to keep your eyes open.
Peace is boring until we've had enough drama in our lives and want to focus instead on kindness, which takes courage to venture out of our isolation and divisiveness.
Given how a lot of these big companies have acted to their customers/the public… is there any surprise people are not that keen on things like the meta-verse!”
Ready Player One is a bad example of VR. Go try wearing a headset and run around on the street/highway. I won't stop you. Matrix and SAO is... in the right direction. We need techs that can hijack our body signals to put us on the bed, so we can run forward infinitely without hitting a wall or fall down from stairs. But living in VR 24/7... sleep on a bed, eat with tubes on a bed? Drink, excretion with tubes on a bed? Sex with toy addon, exercise with limbs attachments? Your body will rot first. AR like HoloLens (when become smaller like a regular sunglasses or even, invisible) is the only viable... device/tech. Otherwise, it's just a game, like Fortnite, the typpa media and input device we've known for decades.
I agree with what he’s saying, though it’s only an introduction to the topic. I think how dystopian or beneficial the metaverse is will be determined by the primary way others use it to make money.
Most of the world can’t afford this in terms of financial cost and/or time investment. It’s a stupid concept for rich people that have nothing better to do.
I only use Facebook's Messenger but not Facebook itself. I don't care how flashy VR headsets are. I'm never gonna spend my precious time on one even if 99.9 percent of the entire population have these face huggers on them.
so,now big think does ads masquerading as erudites sharing knowledge? "metaverse is here and it's not going away" - yeah, right. no one cares to go to metaverse to watch tv
I call it dystopianism bias. People think technology is more likely to be dystopianistic because of the uneven display of those technologies in dystopian films and media, just like he said.
Riiiight, so the dystopia is the first thing Matthew describes: working and spending leasure time in VR, where you are in a closed system, and the only currency is controlled by the provider. Like company scrip in the olden days of miner towns. It's a no-brainer that the environment is not dystopic, since nobody would want to stay. Dystopic environments can be fun though, as proved by all the leasure time people spend in games like Fallout, which we have seen footage of, I think? The dystopic worries are created by all the numerous claims that are being made by Meta, about what the metaverse can do and will be able to do. Because if you can use it for work, teaching children, and providing leasure time - then we are talking about way more time spend in VR than the 5.5 hours that we usually spend on TV. That is the isolating factor. Critics imagine a result like the Lost Generation we have seen in Japan, where people just never leave their tiny cubicle-appartments because of social anxiety, and the concern is that pushing everything to VR will not only capture people vulnerable to this in a similar situation, but actively train and cause the type of society we can read about in that Naked Sun novel. I am the last one to disparage social connections made in virtual worlds, but it is important to aknowledge they are different and might not provide the same kind of brain food we need and require for a healthy life. Another thing will be unforseeable health risks then will come from having two tiny minitors strapped to your eyeballs for extended periods of time. Neck muscles overburdened, eyesight at risk, etc. And you're going to tell me we are just going to ship VR headsets to close the education gap? These are devices that people in the Western world hesitate to spend money on because they are investment, even though we do have stable power and internet connections in most places. To show pictures of some African village school seems disingenious because of those above factors. Because it presupposes that someone will finally invest real money in some of the poorest communities in the world, and it's not like we didn't have any good stuff to ship them up until now.
The way he said: “We mustn’t fight it😳 That kinda put me off!!! In other words, it’s gonna shoved down our throats regardless of what we think; so deal with it!!!((Yeah OK?!?!)) That being said, I’m pretty sure ALOTTA people will be checking out the Meta-Verse. And if it ends up being a good experience, more people will be interested in seeing what the hype is about!!!There will also be a group of people that’ll accept its initial flaws, regardless of the naysayers. Either way, at some point, it’s the vast majority that’ll have the final say as to whether it works for us or not?!?! I guess we’ll find out?!? Ready or not, BIGG Money’s betting on The Meta-Verse..
My greatest hope for humankind is that people take one look at facebook ™️ metaverse ®️, and instantly decide to delete Facebook, twitter, Google, reddit, RUclips, Gmail, friendster, Tumblr, habbo hotel, ask jeeves, quora, LinkedIn, allrecipes, valve, steam, Altavista, and yahoo, then smash their phones, laptops, gaming computers, cars, and apartments, and move into the woods.
Meta Verse is a failure. It's a meh project by Mark that he insists on the ambitious project with bad execution. All that money got wasted for nothing. People nowadays have already realized that virtual world has taken the real engagement and social interaction from human. A necessity for maintaining human mental health and being. They're longing for REALITY reality. A real social interaction. Virtual is only an escape. I hope it stays that way. Why would people want a virtual "universe" when it will even take the real engagement and real touch they're longing for?! 💀 I am glad people don't really buy this meta verse thing. They don't even have access to the tool. Has it even ever crossed Mark's mind? Or does he think anyone can afford VR and straightly jump to Meta Verse? 🤣 The success of facebook was the fact it's extremely accessible via the cheapest phone with internet access (browser is enough without official app). Tons of Facebook desktop game back then = what Meta Verse it wants to be and dreams of. It was even more Meta Verse than the current Meta Verse 😌 Bring back Facebook Desktop games ✊😂 Oh but hey, isn't Big Think a crypto and Meta Verse ally now? 🧐
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The problem with Facebook was always its incentives. It could benefit humanity but it was more profitable to spread abuse and rage. So they did. So will the meta verse, as long as a corporation is running it.
The metaverse will have "spaces" that are not family friendly and safe, and you shall know that. To be real with you, it wasn't really "Mark Zuckerberg who built Facebook and the metaverse, it was you it was always you.
nailed it!
duh... embrace chaos an enjoy life...
and what do you think the solution to that is?
@@recnepsyarg Don’t let a single corporation achieve monopoly control over that space. Enable more companies to own parts of it so a user can move freely between.
I can't help but notice how technogies such as the internet started with so much promise also. But unless we are honest about the failings of the internet how can we lean into anything? Metaverse will be dystopian, no doubt, but the sad thing is we won't even recognize it.
Yes. It’s now a fact that social media has a high risk of causing mental illness, how can VR social media platforms be better? People will always be people, ya know.. isn’t it easier for people to bully, abuse and harass others if they can be this avatar in metaverse? That’s what I’m thinking. And isn’t it even easier for extremist groups to manipulate more people from the other side of the world if they can create a VR space just for their toxic ideas ? 😩
You’re right, just like how people don’t see how social media is affecting their thinking and behaviors. Or self-esteem. This is just another way to alter someone’s mind, waste money, control how we think
I like how through digital twins, metaverse will allow for replication of buildings, cities, and even the earth to better understand our impact on the environment and help advance climate science.
Think about it, TV became commercialized immediately, internet was seperate but when it become saturated enough with users the corporations were right there.....keeps happening over and over
The day I deleted my account on the meta (FB), I felt something wonderful, a feeling of freedom and inner peace. I recommend it to everyone!👍
would recommend too, or at least cutting the time used on it significantly for anything but needed communication
Im on my 2nd year of not having facebook. It has helped my mental help a lot. I was almost stuck in a conspiracy bubble where the only contents shown and suggested to me were only conspiracies. Even reseting what pages i liked and what people i followed, facebook still suggested to me questionable conspiracies. So i decided to delete it
I have done that years ago! 😉😉
6 years ago I did the same, life was instantly better. Same with nearly all social media. Left all of them, all except YT.
I'll never be in the metaverse, that's for sure, no ads for me.
@@rjung_ch ublock origin, use it mate (blocks ads and is free)
Thinking that people who barely have access to enough food and water can now profit from the metaverse shows the world this guy lives in. Even if they did have access to internet, it'd likely nor be at a speed that supports the metaverse nor would there be any reason for people to not just watch recorded classes. Why would anyone need Meta for that?
Fully agree! Somehow they are tell that people in need don't need care and assistance, they will need some expensive and stupid VR Googles to play childish games... that will be very inclusive... the hypocrisy!
@@paulocoelho558 I don't think it's hypocrisy as much as general unawareness of poor people's actual life because they live in this rich bubble where they think being poor means not being able to afford your mechanic or daily starbucks.
@@couchpotatoe91 Yes all valid factors and that's the hypocrisy from the people in the rich bubble if you understand my meaning
@@paulocoelho558 my point was that hypocrisy would require them knowing about that problem. As it is it seems to be more like plain ignorance.
@@couchpotatoe91 Ignorance can create hypocrisy. Hypocrisy brought about by ignorance is still hypocrisy.
No of the VR use cases he talks about here require a metaverse.
Adding value to digital goods requires the metaverse. Currently digital items only exist in the app/game they are in. How much would shoes at Walmart be worth, if you couldn't take them out of Walmart?
It really is about money.
@@abram730 What digital goods?
A digital universe isn't the problem. ZUCKERBERG'S universe is a problem.
Fully agree... Zuckerberg gives me the heebie-jeebies. 🤣🤣
lol you most likely use facebook or Instagram? You are paranoid and ignorant.
@@Mimikz lol. I don't.
@@sethsmith8638 you’re on RUclips and RUclips sells data to major advertisers… aka meta co. Once again, ignorant.
@@Mimikz omg you changed my mind. Are you a wizard?
This guy feels inherently untrustworthy.
I think it's the face hair. 😂
@@rhijulbec1 No, it's just what he's saying.
@@ForAnAngel
Sorry, I meant that as a joke. Guess it didn't work, 😂 😂.
And you're right about what he's saying. He's kinda creepy tbh.
He theorizes grand ideas to use meta/vr for education for the unprivileged not knowing the first thing about the economics of poor people especially in rural areas. Cost of power, internet, hardware, software, teacher etc be damned
Bc he’s trying to sell you dirt and snow smh
Biggest myth in the metaverse: That it is a thing. It is not it is just a word co-opted by people looking for the next big thing, Zuckerburg, cryto bros, etc and they can not agree on what the metaverse is because it isn't an idea or a thing, it is just a vague word for the something that "will be the next big thing".
Also all of the criticisms he's trying to dispel have already happened.
It's like the words: woke, groomers and such, people believe in utter nonsense.
The whole point of Meta being Dystopic is that is does NOT appear dystopic to most- and is subtle
This video is doing the bidding of Meta Inc great job
"the metaverse will be the wonderful new frontier of the human experience, all the bad stuff you felt and heard and read? nah bro, look how cool this is, going to a concert but worse? hell yeah my dude. we didn't think we were sucking enough attention from you and then selling it to advertisers with regular social media and youtube so the metaverse is gonna be sooooo awesome you guys, I really mean it.
- Guy who has large amounts of money invested in a metaverse crypto index
He’s so full of crap it’s ridiculous
@@norapeace6526 i know haha like 15 seconds in I was like damn this sure feels like a sales pitch and not a smart guy showing me better ways to be smart. Look the dude up, absolutely no surprise he's a venture capital bro endlessly looking for new ways to suck out just a little more money from peoples attention. Make sure you're wearing your VR headset for at least 12 hours and spend more metacoin on metareal-estate for when you come home from your metajob. I hate the future.
Instagram and TikTok are super toxic and people are addicted to them. Some people don’t even know how addictive and toxic it is to them but they still go on. So I find it hard to believe that we’re not gonna go on Metaverse even if it’s bad for them
Nice try Zuck. 🤣
Clicked expecting an ad for meta. Not disappointed.
Propaganda much?
Seriously
The fact is some people take the stuff very seriously, and some of them disagree with each other which means you will find strong opinions on both sides. It doesn't make everybody with an opinion a propagandist.
It’s just accurate.
@Kurt Richter no, not everyone with an opinion is a propagandists. Straw man'ing me much?
Dystopian? Maybe.
Boring? Unnecessary? Stupid? Definitely!
Maybe there a version of a metaverse that at some point could be the next version of the internet that we all naturally gravitate towards and want to be a part of, but it won’t come from meta (Facebook) and it won’t involve us putting on a clunky headset and holding controllers in our hands - way too much effort and discomfort involved.
The internet evolved from something you needed to take over your phone line with and sit at a desk in front of a desktop computer to use, to something you can access anytime, anywhere, from the palm of your hand. We expect that kind of ease and comfort now. We’re not willing to go backwards on that, especially for a half baked experience that looks like garbage and serves no real purpose as of yet other than to try to enrich a single company with a terrible track record for privacy abuse.
I agree with most of what you are saying but your assertion that the version of the metaverse won't come from Meta is a bit short sighted. FB is pouring money and R&D into the metaverse...they've essentially gone all in and they still have lots of money to bank roll them...What that means is they can afford to iterate through it...fail and improve...the clunky headsets you are talking about....well those are just the first versions and I am pretty sure in 20 years it would be much small tech driving the metaverse.
It’s not just about the headsets, we already spend too much time on our phone and watching television, why would we want to go anywhere else to replace that when we should be spending more time in the real world or with friends and family and meeting new people. Spending money on virtual reality makes no sense when you can’t use those things in reality. I just see it as another way to control the way we think, what we spend our money on, and what we believe
@@norapeace6526 The headsets (glasses or contact lenses) will also be used for augmented reality. I can imagine a lot of practical uses for that.
@@johnbuckner2828 like what? Social media now is full of people sexualizing themselves, propaganda, consumerism, materialism, ads. Why would you want a virtual reality with the same stuff?!
@@norapeace6526 I was thinking more along The lines of something like plant identification when you’re out hiking. Augmented reality could help you identify plants; useful things like that.
There are some enormous misconceptions going on in his argument here. First of which is the dystopian angle; no-one is saying the metaverse itself will be a dystopia, it's the outside world that will become a dystopia as we leave it behind to live more and more of our lives in this virtual world (in a scenario where the metaverse takes off as a concept, which it's highly unlikely to do), becoming neglectful of reality around us. As an aside, I also find it creepy as fuck that he says "Quote unquote reality".
Secondly, the idea that it will replace television as a leisure activity is flawed. The act of watching TV is PASSIVE. We do it (as couples, as families - sometimes by ourselves but not as much as he is purporting, I suspect) passively. Strapping on some VR headset and diving into virtual worlds owned by all the giant tech companies would be an ACTIVE engagement. When people watch TV they want to relax, they want to disengage from being active, perhaps because they've worked a long day already. People won't want to come home from an 8-hour work shift and then "relax" with virtual reality all around them. Some folks play video games, and a small portion of those use VR headsets, that's true, but look at adoption rate: The number of people engaging in VR is a tiny, fractional amount of people who enjoy video games.
This 'The Metaverse is definitely coming' narrative is bullshit, plagued with flaws, falsehoods and insurmountable problems (eg. He's still not giving CLEAR examples of what the metaverse can do that can't already be done without it. Interactivity? We already do that with computers, we don't need to be INSIDE the computer to do things like looks at 3D models or diagrams. This is to say nothing of exactly HOW everything is going to be interconnected - what, is every tech corporation suddenly going to open up their walled gardens and play nice with each other?).
It's yet another glorified tech-bro pipe dream corporate-greedy-as-fuck snake oil piece of bullshit turd trying to be polished to within an inch of its life by peddlers such as this dude and Zuck because they've already invested heavily in it (whether financially or conceptually) and now are desperate to pass it off as some fatalistic, inevitable next step in human technological evolution. No, it's not. All of the things you will supposedly be able to do in the Metaverse can already be done without it, and have been for a ages. This is a solution looking for a problem, and the sooner it pisses off, the better.
Reality is already dystopian.
An example of irony is Matthew's act of bringing attention to the drama which underlies dystopian storylines. Drama calling out drama. Meta is continuing in its parasitical predecessor's footsteps (Facebook's footsteps). Predatory business models appear to be the norm. I hope that our species, well, those who are influencing the future of communication, will evolve away from preying upon the clients of the technologies that they create. That they as well as I evolve towards lessening the suffering of others. Wishful thinker am I.
The Myth: people will like it and it will be successful.
The Reality: well………
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_"... we need to lean in, not resist ..."_
Yeah.
That's a great closing sentence.
I would say, a total punch line.
Does Zuckerberg pay you ?
I am not convinced with the education example. We already have adequate technology today to provide free video lectures and gamified apps. Providing education to the poor and unprivileged is an economic problem that should not be grossly simplified like this.
In reality nothing of this big names we will see actually. What we see is virtual porn, more sexual content, people struggling more mentally than education, work and blabla. The human will try to take the addiction to next level
Exactly!!!! More of the same negative things that we have with Instagram and TikTok and Facebook. we need to get off of these devices and get back to the real world
I'm old enough to have been active online when the internet went from niche academic/military platform to a widespread information space and onwards to the intrinsic societal network it is today. People have feared and fantasised over it at every stage. Eventually, the fantasies always turned out to be less imaginative than reality. Sadly, so did the fears. The metaverse will be the same: simultaneously far better and far worse than what is predicted.
more deep fakes, fake news, extremist groups and criminal networks creating their own virtual worlds to get even more people hooked on their stupid ideas.. I’m 36 and I’m really surprised that texting and email is still the most popular form of communication it seems, just like when I was in junior high, but now it’s just much cheaper. Not many people want to use video calls all the time, and I don’t think anyone wants to meet in VR or as holograms.. haha
Exactly. It's not mutually exclusive.
Its utopian if the metaverse is owned by the commons, say a metaverse supervised by the UN, whose goal is education, social engagement and not profit, but not if its owned by a big tech company infamous for selling user data.
This man is a VC who is the CEO of a company that invests in metaverse startups...having him on as an expert without him divulging his financial interests is incredibly dishonest. He literally has significant financial incentive to get buy-in from people. Really disappointed to see him on here again.
This video was 100% not sponsored by meta.
Right, let’s put our kids into a digital environment that over-activates their dopaminergic systems and conditions them for digital interactions.
Thanks Mr. Zuck! Like I always say, the best thing about Meta is not having to worry about capital gains tax come tax season!
I know when I’m being sold BS, and this is the biggest time on RUclips that I’ve been sold some BS. Smh. It’s not just about the headsets, we already spend too much time on our phone and watching television, why would we want to go anywhere else to replace that when we should be spending more time in the real world or with friends and family and meeting new people? Spending money on virtual reality makes no sense when you can’t use those things in reality. I just see it as another way to control the way we think, what we spend our money on, and what we believe
When he says it's up to "us" to decide how the metaverse will be, I think he is most probably correct in the way that CEOs, venture investers and corporations like him will decide it.
Classic neo-liberal stunt of passing the responsibility to the people when big corporations and governments shake hands and screw us over. When the world ends up being a horrible place, it's our own fault.
People fighting to maintain power through limiting choices and eating competition rather than by being the best option.
Just like most of life that is the face of evil here.
The biggest myth is that the metaverse will have users.
the biggest myth 20 years ago was that the internet will have users. In ten years, you'll look dumb like everyone else thinking like you right now
@@thatsmyjam8403 Sure, I'll be eagerly waiting in line to strap expensive nauseating goggles around my head in order to experience a majestic cartoonish virtual experience provided by our beloved Mr. Zuckerberg.
I guess I should start saving now in order to afford virtual property. Please, Mr. Z, take all my money!
Download all of our selves into the matrix while big wigs get paid endlessly as they live there life luxuriously in the real world.
“Ganna be a no from me dawg” - randy Jackson
You sound exactly like the people who said they’d never get cell phones or a TV when those technologies first debuted. Haha.
@@LionElAton there’s a difference between cellular communication and a television. Compared towards changing your reality, eventually to the point it’s indistinguishable from our own reality. Millions of people downloaded into the future matrix living a false reality vs being rich and living life naturally.
@@LionElAton those were meant to improve mass communications for the human race. beneficial technology. These simulation companies all they care about it profits and taking advantage of you and your life. Enslaved in the matrix.
@@oocloudoo1549 You’re just fearmongering. The same thing could have been said about the time of companies only caring about profit at the birth of personal computing, or cellular phones, or the internet, and yet in every instance, the outcome was not dystopian. You’re basically trying to say “This is different.” But it’s really not.
@@LionElAton we’re already in a dystopian society now with big government and tech censorship. All of the alphabet people with there false morality and virtue signaling. I don’t have to fear monger. That future is already here. This tech will just make it worse 10 fold.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Same with A.I., we are already living in a dystopian society . 1984 is now reality and I don't see things getting any better.
*_1_* We must teach our children at a very early age to think on their feet, to stand alone, to not follow the crowd, and to not bear bullying and hazing. Overall social media is antisocial because it’s a fertile ground where hate, envy, jealousy, gossip, scamming, bullying, and child pornography/prostitution grow fast like weeds; the metaverse is gonna be even worse. Laugh a lot and have face-to-face loving relationships!
*_2_* Happiness is within us; that’s why we can have many friends and yet be unhappy and lonely. There’s a big difference between *_aloneness_* and *_loneliness._*
*_3_* When love is, the self is not. The self causes most problems and all wars.
*_4 Without love and sense of humor life is meaningless._* 💕☮🌎🌌
We've trusted Zuckerberg once before...
" we need to LEAN IN, not resist" 😄😄😄 ok Sheryl.
Really, very few will self teach physics and its still up to the rescources and availability of this 'tool' globally. You failed to mention things like the lowest common denominator and that dystopia usually have a sort of utopia or concentration of wealth and resources at a centralized power structure. We see that already forming as people pay for virtual real estate and have already positioned their brands to some extent for future profit. Its going to such because we as a species collectively suck and can only ' escape' to anywhere, virtual or otherwise, with all unsovled problems intact.
I will say that I can observe the negative impact social media has had on society. People need to be taught or something how to handle this level of online interaction. I personally think social media has helped to make people less physically active, especially socially. That's just what I've experienced in the last couple decades.
Yeah, a word has no meaning until it is agreed upon. Re watch Mad Men. Call me anything you want - Just don't call me late for dinner. I love the way this is narrated. Very soothing to me.
Bro the metaverse is litterly garbage.
Seems like a commercial in disguise. Hardly a "Devil's Advocate" episode. The message here: "It's coming whether you like it or not." B.S. C'mon, Big Think. Give us some more critical thinking on this.
My concern is the way that video games affect the brain. They are addictive and they lower inhibitions and inhibit self-control. With the metaverse sucking our time and resources away from reality, it's not going to benefit our real lives very much. I envision a metaverse that kills us with death by a thousand microtransactions combined with dopamine resistance resulting in people no longer eating, sleeping or raising children.
Sure, less television is great. But it's easier to escape the grip of television than it is to pull oneself out of internet addiction.
Our society has always needed an opiate because we are generally unhappy being forced to spend our time to make other people wildly wealthy so we can subsist. We're not fulfilled by the shallow social connections allowed by our culture and we're baited onto the daily grind by the promise of something we instinctively know we'll never have. They say, if we work hard enough, we can be one of the blessed wealthy. They say, if we spend enough money and time, we can be one of the blessed beautiful. Even if we could finally grab one of these carrots, they wouldn't actually make us happy.
I believe we would still be intuitively aware of this big lie in the metaverse where we can be anything we want to be. We would know people still don't like us for who and what we are. We would also know we are interacting with an avatar of a person, not a person, and this will impair our feeling of connection, leaving us in the constant state of dissatisfaction they want us in so we will stay on the treadmill and keep giving them our time, money and power.
Literally anything can be addictive, reading can be addictive. As long as it causes dopamine reliece, that includes, exercise (which can be bad if done to excess), reading, watching shows, booze, kittens, zoneing out, sex, board games, daydreaming, etc. Video games do not reduce inhibitions, this is a lie. You have been lied to, people who want you to be afraid have lied to you about games, they lie to control and manipulate you for their own ends. Games can be bad, games can be good.
Cynicism is good in the modern world, it even saves lives. The availability of information has allowed liars and fiends to peddle their bullshit without people having developed the bullshit detectors needed defend themselves. Be more cynical.
point where he talks about metaverse being a substitute for TV is not correct. I can lay on my bed upside down and munch on popcorn and watch some crap on tv. where as I have to be wearing that stupid headset to watch plus I have to be moving my hand and gesturing which I woundnt like to do, I am too lazy for that. dont invent something and find a reason to use it.
it died before it lived, let it go
I hope so
Whatever you may say
I'm never gonna get on meta.
I deactivated Facebook because of a longing for something that's real. Now my head is clear and I don't have to listen to everyone else's opinion. There is no way I will be entering the Metaverse.
Constant use of VR alone is bad for your eyes let alone the Metaverse on your mental health..
I have huge doubts that I will choose to use this. There are many products out there that I will never use, this is probably one of them.
The meta-verse(s)could be awesome; i’m actually really excited about it, and it does offer potential for accelerated learning around the world. Many possibilities for engineering and technological advancements.
But there is no way in hell governments are not going to try to use this Technology to program our minds as they see fit. We are already seeing a public/private merging. It’s not going to be limited to consumerism.
Every kid needs to be educated in propagandizing techniques, and how to think critically for themselves, and how to identify a half truths and bullshit before immersing themselves in this environment all day.
Exactly, we see how bad the news media is now and just people being addicted to social media, this is the next step to ruining peoples way of thinking and ultimately their lives. This is a horrible idea and he’s trying so bad to sell us.
I guess people fail to see this if they are brought up with too much religiosity, that makes them believe in all kinds of tales.
Talk about a shill for big tech !
This is supposed to be Devil's Advocate, not Devil's Advertising.
First reaction always is fear when people don't understand something, it's a perfectly natural reaction that's engrained into us. The fact that so much misleading information about " the metaverse" is online doesn't help people to be rational about either. Since this technology is still in its infancy we don't know what it's going to be like but it won't be that different from today's social media, it will all depend on how you use it, with both negatives and positives so we need to keep open mind for now.
Except no one agrees on what the meteverse is. To Facebook it is another Second Life, to crypto bros its crypto, etc. The word "meteverse" doesn't actually mean anything, it is a vague term for a technology that will be the next internet.
This is why it is getting the money an attention it is getting, the "meteverse" can be anything to anyone. It's not the future because it's not a thing, it just a word with out a definition.
@@clwho4652 that's precisely why we need to keep open mind and not cheer for one idea or other. Granted that there's no official definition of what "the metaverse" is yet but just an idea for now, however whether or not is going to be the future or part of the future is not yet forgone conclusion.
@@clwho4652 It's a universe of universes. It's a universality of digital items, and avatars. That requires a universal descriptor that works with all the engines and games that are part of the metaverse.
There will be AI driven avatars, and they will also work on flat screens. The movement is to an internet like system for 3D spaces.
People understand very well thank you.
@@gr8life12 "however whether or not is going to be the future or part of the future is not yet forgone conclusion."
That is contradicted by:
"Granted that there's no official definition of what "the metaverse" is yet but just an idea for now"
I would even take that further, the meterverse is not even an idea, it is just a word at this point. For it to be the future it has to be defined first.
What's the music on this I want to play the track
Papier-mâché, baking soda and vinegar for a volcano goes plenty far enough, thank you very much.
You need to pay real money to give applause... it's dystopian mate.
This is just word vomit from a privileged techbro. Nothing to see here.
The concept of dystopia has a paradox sewn into it. Dystopias are not just cyberpunk high-tech, low-life but also visions such as Huxley's Brave New World. Visions where the dystopian nature of reality is based on dehumanisation. The problem is that our society is naturally moving towards transhumanism and whether we judge the metaverse as utopia or dystopia depends on our views on transhumanism. If we believe that a human mind fully immersed in virtual reality is not morally inferior to one immersed in physical reality, then the metaverse is a step in the right direction.
By the way, it just occurred to me that the metaverse could also be an answer to Fermi's paradox. Any sufficiently advanced civilisation, due to energy optimisation, moves into some form of metaverse and ceases to be observable in the physical world.
Shoutout to PLATO and Orthanc! The internet we know today owes much to those early nerds who wanted to play DnD on networked computers in the 70s.
It's a dystopian nightmare because it is a continuation of the norm made fully visible. The real issue is that the symbols which inform our reality are private and can be controlled by anyone with the largest wallet.
Where in an alternative to this is one where symbols are mundane(mutable), and make physical the entirety of human knowledge. And not only that the knowledge AI will contribute so can be symbiotic with them. And not treat Ai as a Blackbox, but understood through shared symbols and stories.
I'm currently engaging in an open conversation about the intersections between technology, language, and automation. And hope you all join me come the start of the new year.
I am as old as the internet and learned to use a computer before I could read. My dad had me running around in vr when I was 4 and since then have been dreaming of its possibilities. Imagination made real. But part of that can be our greatest nightmare.
I appreciate the video on compatiblism, but am pushing another set of terms: Unification and Automatism. More focused on Automatism itself as a pursuit towards automation, but see it as a path towards Unification, or Unified Theory. Gap in-between our understanding
My goal is the new year with my proposal and example. Loved your big think series growing up and thank you for it.
Everyone wondering about the metaverse should lookup how VR can create false memories in children that can't tell the difference between the real and virtual.
If you don't want it to become something bad... Submit to it now...
This dude looks and talks a lot like Elizabeth Holmes.
This guy seems to be overlooking the problems that are already coming up from this
The people saying that the metaverse has no future applications are the 2022-version of people that thought television was hurtful or the internet was a farce.
Also way to compare to roblox, whose entire enconomy is based on exploitation of devs (esp with the monopolistic share the roblox company takes, paying you in an in-game currency, making it a glorified, digital company town) and children's impulses with limited-time microtransactions up the wazoo.
lol I think he misunderstood the premise. Its not the CONTENT of the metaverse that is dystopic, it could be pretty cool, see ready player one. Its the OUTSIDE world that will be dystopic, especially if nobody wants to be there anymore and just hides from reality in VR. Reminds me of the arkonides in Perry .
I have a Meta Quest 2 and absolutely love it, VR and AR has so much awesome potential yet to be unlocked
Never tough it was gonna be dystopic, but mostly because to me... it's nothing new, the more i see about the metaverse, the more i wonder "what's supposed to be new about this?" because i did try Second Life 15 years ago, and i believe they did add VR at some point... and this is pretty much the same thing but way way worse. Second Life is quite an impressive thing, it's like it lives in its own world, and even back when i tried, there was people that have given up on their real jobs for second life and subsited on it, so... yeah it's everthing the metaverse wants to be, except that it's not mainstream.
Centralised metaverses (e.g. Horizon Worlds), are not places at all. They're just marketing and communication platforms. Crypto-metaverses (like decentraland and sandbox) ask to be defined as places, but they lack any of the qualities to make them anything other than a non-place.
i've always lived in the good side of real life dystopia... i'm sure i'll hack my way into the good side of any dystopic virtual universe...
I wonder if I am the only one who read the title multiverse?and was very excited before finding out the real title
Metaverse will go the way of the 3D TV... Cool for a month, then gathers dust... Who wants to live in a video game?
The ZUCC is watching ...
Important to note the self interest of the speaker, Matthew Ball. Given his interest in the market via “Roundhill Ball Metaverse ETF” it is clear this video is simply corporate propaganda. Continue to keep your eyes open.
Oh, it is just a Metaverse ad.
The metaverse is a tool. Like any tool, it can be used well or abused.
True. But as humans, we tend to be gullible and short-sighted, and we have strong tendencies toward abuse.
Peace is boring until we've had enough drama in our lives and want to focus instead on kindness, which takes courage to venture out of our isolation and divisiveness.
Lol, this feels like a very long ad for Meta
Given how a lot of these big companies have acted to their customers/the public… is there any surprise people are not that keen on things like the meta-verse!”
Ready Player One is a bad example of VR. Go try wearing a headset and run around on the street/highway. I won't stop you.
Matrix and SAO is... in the right direction. We need techs that can hijack our body signals to put us on the bed, so we can run forward infinitely without hitting a wall or fall down from stairs. But living in VR 24/7... sleep on a bed, eat with tubes on a bed? Drink, excretion with tubes on a bed? Sex with toy addon, exercise with limbs attachments? Your body will rot first.
AR like HoloLens (when become smaller like a regular sunglasses or even, invisible) is the only viable... device/tech.
Otherwise, it's just a game, like Fortnite, the typpa media and input device we've known for decades.
I agree with what he’s saying, though it’s only an introduction to the topic. I think how dystopian or beneficial the metaverse is will be determined by the primary way others use it to make money.
Most of the world can’t afford this in terms of financial cost and/or time investment. It’s a stupid concept for rich people that have nothing better to do.
I only use Facebook's Messenger but not Facebook itself. I don't care how flashy VR headsets are. I'm never gonna spend my precious time on one even if 99.9 percent of the entire population have these face huggers on them.
If somebody use a gun to kill someone that doesn't make the gun bad.
Thank you, Mr. Ball. Your check from Facebook will be deposited in 3-5 business days.
Who in the hell has the time to watch FIVE HOURS of TV a day??
so,now big think does ads masquerading as erudites sharing knowledge? "metaverse is here and it's not going away" - yeah, right. no one cares to go to metaverse to watch tv
I call it dystopianism bias. People think technology is more likely to be dystopianistic because of the uneven display of those technologies in dystopian films and media, just like he said.
Riiiight,
so the dystopia is the first thing Matthew describes: working and spending leasure time in VR, where you are in a closed system, and the only currency is controlled by the provider. Like company scrip in the olden days of miner towns.
It's a no-brainer that the environment is not dystopic, since nobody would want to stay.
Dystopic environments can be fun though, as proved by all the leasure time people spend in games like Fallout, which we have seen footage of, I think?
The dystopic worries are created by all the numerous claims that are being made by Meta, about what the metaverse can do and will be able to do.
Because if you can use it for work, teaching children, and providing leasure time - then we are talking about way more time spend in VR than the 5.5 hours that we usually spend on TV.
That is the isolating factor.
Critics imagine a result like the Lost Generation we have seen in Japan, where people just never leave their tiny cubicle-appartments because of social anxiety, and the concern is that pushing everything to VR will not only capture people vulnerable to this in a similar situation,
but actively train and cause the type of society we can read about in that Naked Sun novel.
I am the last one to disparage social connections made in virtual worlds, but it is important to aknowledge they are different and might not provide the same kind of brain food we need and require for a healthy life.
Another thing will be unforseeable health risks then will come from having two tiny minitors strapped to your eyeballs for extended periods of time. Neck muscles overburdened, eyesight at risk, etc.
And you're going to tell me we are just going to ship VR headsets to close the education gap? These are devices that people in the Western world hesitate to spend money on because they are investment, even though we do have stable power and internet connections in most places.
To show pictures of some African village school seems disingenious because of those above factors.
Because it presupposes that someone will finally invest real money in some of the poorest communities in the world, and it's not like we didn't have any good stuff to ship them up until now.
No it wont. Because no one will use it or is interested.
support
The way he said: “We mustn’t fight it😳 That kinda put me off!!! In other words, it’s gonna shoved down our throats regardless of what we think; so deal with it!!!((Yeah OK?!?!)) That being said, I’m pretty sure ALOTTA people will be checking out the Meta-Verse. And if it ends up being a good experience, more people will be interested in seeing what the hype is about!!!There will also be a group of people that’ll accept its initial flaws, regardless of the naysayers. Either way, at some point, it’s the vast majority that’ll have the final say as to whether it works for us or not?!?! I guess we’ll find out?!? Ready or not, BIGG Money’s betting on The Meta-Verse..
I’m not joining the meta verse anytime soon.
Mannnn no
Oh Matthew, you have no idea what this will do to our race - Be ready
This guy talking as if VRChat never existed 💀
My greatest hope for humankind is that people take one look at facebook ™️ metaverse ®️, and instantly decide to delete Facebook, twitter, Google, reddit, RUclips, Gmail, friendster, Tumblr, habbo hotel, ask jeeves, quora, LinkedIn, allrecipes, valve, steam, Altavista, and yahoo, then smash their phones, laptops, gaming computers, cars, and apartments, and move into the woods.
You had me there at first then you lost me lol😂
Nahh..think ill pass
Don't listen to him. Resist
Dystopian nightmares are usually relevant. So no.
Meta Verse is a failure. It's a meh project by Mark that he insists on the ambitious project with bad execution. All that money got wasted for nothing.
People nowadays have already realized that virtual world has taken the real engagement and social interaction from human. A necessity for maintaining human mental health and being. They're longing for REALITY reality. A real social interaction. Virtual is only an escape. I hope it stays that way.
Why would people want a virtual "universe" when it will even take the real engagement and real touch they're longing for?! 💀
I am glad people don't really buy this meta verse thing. They don't even have access to the tool. Has it even ever crossed Mark's mind? Or does he think anyone can afford VR and straightly jump to Meta Verse? 🤣
The success of facebook was the fact it's extremely accessible via the cheapest phone with internet access (browser is enough without official app).
Tons of Facebook desktop game back then = what Meta Verse it wants to be and dreams of. It was even more Meta Verse than the current Meta Verse 😌
Bring back Facebook Desktop games ✊😂
Oh but hey, isn't Big Think a crypto and Meta Verse ally now? 🧐