Cold Start - 2003 VW Jetta TDI at -30C (-22F)
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2020
- Cold starting the ALH TDI at -30C. Very difficult to start below -25. I think the battery and maybe the glow plugs are weak.
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Brave man pushing that cup holder in that cold.
u will freeze if thats the only car. upgrade to a bigger battery and use a thinner oil. engine will not have to work so hard to turn over.
@@omarG19100 got a new H7 battery today. 800 CCA
@@gregs_garagenice
@@omarG19100 gotta have the right amp hours in that battery
When it was freezing outside I tried to retract my phone holder
Broke all the gears.
idk why but diesel cold start vids like this are interesting to me lmao
Many wont start at all, many with issues
Same
Me too bro...because diesel cold start more challenge
It has something.. pleasing to see a diesel start after a few tries
It's fun to watch but not so much when you actually have to do it
We folks that live in or have lived in the colder climates can tell REAL cold, in a video, not by a man holding an infra-red thermometer, but by the crunch of the snow, when you walk on it.
true dat
Facts😂
Squeaky snow is a dead giveaway that's it at least -15c.
I do not so it is good for me.
Love that sound!
Every diesel ever on temperatures below 0
*Black smoke has joined chat*
No, not really. I own a 2015 q5 with the 3.0tdi common rail and roughly 20,000kms (purchased brand new. Car is used occasionaly and only on long trips. Hence the low mileage). In -25C, after sitting outside all night it starts at a quarter turn of the crank. In other words - right up!
@@HristovRumen it's 5yrs old im talkibg bout much older tdi motors
@@dzonika9523 you said, "every diesel ever..." 😆 lol.
@@HristovRumen your car has a dpf/ diesel particular whitch prevents smoke all majority diesel vehicles have them
My 1.9tdi B6 with new battery and new glow plugs and it started on a crank with no problems and no smoke what so ever
Definitely a very weak battery. Fires good when it can crank for a good few seconds. Maybe has one glow plug out given the smoke and spluttering.
abyssunderground glow plugs replaced and battery is next. Hopefully it doesn’t get to -30 again so I don’t have to test it.
@@gregs_garage Plus smaller battery than new which is Group 94R
5:50 euro 6+...
That isn't normal
@@bardanke its joke
@@bardanke It is normal for -30c :D
That's what I call an Eco friendly diesel engine
First, you should change your battery. Second, after the glow plug light goes off it actually still is doing it's job in the background and draining a LOT of battery, you should wait some extra 15-20 seconds until you hear a silent click of relay somewhere near the steering wheel or else you loose the precious amps when cranking.
thanks, I'll try the extra 15 seconds clicky thing this winter if it ever gets cold!
@@gregs_garage my tdi also has a bad battery and this really helps during the cold days
Def a good battery is half the battle. That start feature is hardly enough amperage for the glow plugs themselves (80AF to the glow plug module)
How many kms on it, I'm looking at o e with 420000km on it and wonder if they last that long, not sure if they are like the old 5.9 Cummins
@@justinm9815 mine was about 320000km on the dial, probably manipulated a few times in the past to show less, all was good no issues at all with engine (it was also stage1 chip). These 1.9 last forever.
I find that stopping the crank when the diesel is firing on a few cylinders is detrimental to the start. If you keep cranking as long as the battery allows heat from compression will eventually allow combustion on the lazy cylinders. That's what i've found anyway. Thanks for uploading.
-30C car: man its cold let me in to the garage
i miss my mk4 tdi, used to be so fun to cold start it in super cold weather
same, there was something special about that one. maybe its because it was my first car, who knows. but tdis are so god damn fun
My 96 vw transporter 1.9d started in 2 seconds with this temperatures. Greetings from Sweden
Great simple engines 😀
Sick!!! I wonder if my 2010 Vw Jetta 2.5 will survive those temperatures! I live in California so no harsh winters here
Daymn that was a cold start!! Nice one
I woke up this morning, car started 1st go and swam in 23Deg water on a 28Deg day. I'll come to visit you when in the mood for skiing not living in a freezer.
Get a block heater if you have temps this low, the engine will last much longer
It has a VW oil pan heater. Not using it this day to see how it starts cold.
Its for pussies
@@jerehyvonen150 lol?
@@jerehyvonen150 tossa ny ei ollu kyl taas päätä eikä häntää
@@jerehyvonen150 vinlant perkele
I warmed my diesel car engine, in extremes, at home, using a kersene space heater, blowing through the front. An hour or so, was a big help. Especially since you wanted to get heat, from the car's heater system, to defrost/defog the windows.
Loving the video
when i lived in cold climates with a VW rabbit, i use to use 20 weight oil in the winter. Yes my car would use oil so i had to check and add every two tanks of fuel, But the car would spin over and start in cold weather, in the spring i would go back to 30 weight oil, Thanks for the viedo, al
Love the Golf, they are such an easy car to live with
this is a Jetta. same thing with a hatch
Thats Bora
that random oil pressure light always freaked me out on mine during coldstart
I put a zerostart coolant heater in mine and what an amazing difference that made
Bloody cold!
a couple of hours and one more km ....finally starts :)
good eye ;)
It happend to me, i have an opel astra h, it had 265060km and after a few hours when i tinkered with it again it had one more km but it didnt move
Ahh the smell of diesel in the morning nothing beats it
I appreciate the clock in the cluster. Makes you understand how much time is actually passing until, “great-successssss,” time 😅
Got a few ideas, thought I'd share:
-could connect a battery tender to that wire maybe if you feel like it's necessary
-there seems to be some extra room for a larger battery (the maximum is 312x175x190 mm if I remember correctly, this way you can go up to 90 Ah, or buy an Optima depending on the budget)
-cycling the key is not always necessary, I recommend listening to the relay instead of just the light on the dash. usually it's on for twice as long, this can prolong the life of your ignition switch :)
Being from Florida, I’m always baffled when watching these videos. Sometimes I wonder how people learn to tolerate and sometimes enjoy that weather, besides skiing of course.
When you live where it is cold you never sweat, there's no bugs, no crime, you just put on more layers and drink till you can tolerate the cold. 👍
@MindMachine- ngl I like it when Its cold outside.
Very clean diesel.
ALH god i love that engine very friendly and beautiful even he has problems with leak noise ... he wont betray you and die he is sensitive take care of him good synthetic oil 5w30 or 5w40 regular maintenance cleaning egr valves he will be you right hand loyal friend for a long time
Delete egr valve you mean
@@steve5912 yes delet it or jus install a catch can to prevent carbon build up in cylender head
@@anass.something Catch can is for ccv not egr
@@steve5912 the oil catch can is very useful and can extend its life expectency for the Tdi engine because oil goes trough pcv valve to the air inlet tube to the turbo and rhe cause burning oil int intercooler hoses and cylender intake manifold
Quick tip: bring your battery inside, check for bubbles or leaking. Let it warm up a bit before you start charging it or you can potentially fry the battery
Unless it's severely discharged the battery won't freeze and if it is frozen a half decent battery charger will see a problem and stop charging it. Warming the battery does help with amp output though.
before crank you need to wait on ignition and hear "click" from dash side (bout 10 seconds) it means plugs are off. plugs + starter take too much current. i have same motor in my golf4.
Finally someone that knows "the trick"! I do exactly the same to my 2.5 TDI A6 at this times.
YES, THE "CLICK" FROM THE RELAY, THE DASH LIGHT GOES OFF EARLY IN THE GLOW SEQUENCE.
I love how he says, "Finally!" as if it's the car's fault the battery and glow plugs need replaced...
Bought one of these cars back in 06 for my wife and it still runs like the day we brought it home .i resently bought one and turned it in to a smyth ute ..
Why aren't you posting that Ute? Thing looks sweet!!!
@@Shawn_Magara thanks budd it was my last summer build and its the only one in west coast Canada that i know of it gets lots of thumbs up and people asking what the heck is that questions
@@davidbauer7424 Smyth racing is in the town I live in. Well they just recently moved to Rhode island but were based out of Wareham, Massachusetts. Visited the shop a few times. Wish I could pull the trigger on a kit for my jetta. Eventually will get around to doing one when I can afford it.
@@berube361 awesome. hopefully everything work out for your plans . You will have a lot of fun building it and driving it when it finishes...
My 2006 Mazda 3 started almost no problem when we had a -40c cold snap. I was amazed. Battery never even died
Comparing a diesel to a gasser is not comparable tho. Diesel has double the compression, no spark plugs for ignition, and needs the cylinder to be at a certain temp to allow for spontaneous combustion of the fuel. Overall a much more difficult start in the cold
Twice in one winter I had to start my 86 Honda CRX at 40 below zero F. (I live at over 9,000 feet in the Colorado mountains with no garage).
I did have a plug in magnetic oil pan heater on it all night, but when I cranked the starter she kicked right over and started after only about 15 seconds of cranking.
After the engine warmed up and I scraped the ice from both inside and outside the windows, I headed for work. The rack and pinion steering was very tight and hard to move, as was the five speed shifter and the tires were flat spotted for the first couple of miles but I got to work on time.
Not bad for what was a 28 year old car at the time.
You gotta keep a good battery and warm the oil if you want to get going in the mornings under 20 below F, no matter what you are driving.
this car has a VW stick-on oil pan heater. It works well and heats the oil which radiates up through the whole motor.
@@gregs_garage I have found that full synthetic oil helps with really cold starts as well.
It's viscosity doesn't thicken up like tar with the cold like natural oil will. Easier cranks and full lubrication on the first rpm is a lot kinder to the engine, starter and battery.
At the last sunday in russia, altai region we got -39, and my car say fu dude, i cant do that ;D
Reason one million & one to live in Alberta Canada 🇨🇦 . A good cold start.
You should review different types of anti Fuel gels
I felt that... been there.. minus the cold weather... lol.
Love my FrostHeater! 99.5 ALH
It gives me that the problem is the battery and not the cold. That engine, the ALH is a real rock, very reliable, I have it in a Seat Leon, and it is wonderful.
Yep still using the same battery though
Coldest I’ve started & driven my 2018 GMC diesel is -30 to -45F. That’s sack-shrivelin’ cold, fellas. Like the block heater cord looks like a solid tree branch cold. Started fine with and without the cord, but a little extra heat in the engine helps a great deal.
You cam crank to start after the heated plugs indicator turns off. You're just cycling through them a couple more times before you finally start and this weares off the battery much faster. (Diesels only).
Nice Jetta, here in argentina we call Bora.
I have a Golf Mk4 with the same color 🥰
Not too many with that green color. Hope to visit Argentina one day and have dinner at 10pm
@@gregs_garage washed is a color that shines a lot in the sun
Although in my case this golf is manufactured in Brazil.
It is a rare version, since it has a beige interior, but it is corduroy.
You can fit the wider battery in that tray that will help for cold starts more cold crank amps
Yes H8
Dats normal on dhis temperchi.
Thank. You for god video
Well that was some diesel adventure.
even after the glow plugs light go off wait 20secs more, after the light goes off the plugs keep on heating,
Yep you can here the relay click when it actually turns off
Its true. Glow plug dont stop heating when light off. You can hear relay when its off. :)
Dude, do people think they do that to fuck with people lmao? They do that for a reason. It's because glow plugs are supposed to be fully on when cranking in cold weather to help ignite during the compression phase. When the glow plug light goes out that just means they're fully warmed up. They're supposed to stay lit for a little bit to act as sort of spark plugs. Just think about it.
They're putting out like 100ish watts each lmao. That's not gonna warm up cylinder walls in 10 seconds and it's not to warm up the air. Whatever tiny little bit the air is heated up in the cylinder is going to be exhaled and freezing air is inhaled in 2 revolutions that would never do anything. It's specifically during the compression phase that they help ignite.
@@fuckjewtube69 ruclips.net/video/7WFEeQAqyxA/видео.html imagine giving so much work just to try to explain otherwise on youtube comments, watch the vid and dont come back to reply
@@diogo1966 I think you have a reading comprehension problem lmfao.
I've had a few smokey starts with mine. Of course I'm not surprised considering it has almost 345.000 miles. A new battery and glow plugs have helped though.
Just bought a Costco H7 battery yesterday. Was an old H6 in there. this new one has 800 CCA but it was $149.99! Things are getting expensive in N. America!
Leather seats plus super cold weather like this is almost as bad as sitting on the toilet really early in the morning in the middle of winter.
Džeta je bila i ostala ekstra vozilo
I have known -30F, Mt. Baker Wa. 1980...F-ing COLD...we still skied all day as the slopes were empty! But SO cold!
I have two of these jettas with the alh engine but I have never struggled so much to get them started even in negative 30 weather here in idaho. Run those glow plugs 5 or 6 times and replace them every two years.
make a vid of -30 in Idaho.
Try a block heater and a fully charged battery . 🙄
maybe try a heated garage haha :D
Very interesting - how long did it take for it to start running smoothly after that cold start? I think you should buy a new battery 😀
New high cranking amp battery. He should use a 5-40 synthetic oil as well as block heater for those cold conditions
I would love to own one just like this one day there the perfect sedan!
A frostheater is your best friend at below zero temps, I buy mine through idparts. And a fully charged h8 battery.
Looks like the battery might be a bit weak. When I had a TDI, I always made sure I had the largest battery I could fit in it; the glow plugs and starter (high compression to overcome) are rough on them.
yes. I still have that damn battery in it! When it fails I'm gonna get the bigger one from Costco. But this one is working fine in warmer weather, still!
My 03 golf mk4 have a very hard start under -19℃
sweeet
I had one of these, a 2001, and I always kept an extra battery in the trunk for cold starts. I’d just bring it out front and jump the car with it when it wouldn’t start in the cold haha
After one hour and one kilometer ..finally start's
Пипелац будь здоров! Бульбы в хату!
The worst part about the newer TDIs is that they know longer sound like a tractor when you start the.
Looks like it's time for a new battery and maybe glowplugs
My tdi crank but just dont fire as much ! Any ideas ? Glow plug, fuel filter is new
20 - 30 - 50 min = good charge 😁✌
Ah yes good ole check engine light
It always activates when turning on your vehicle, at least on Volkswagen group cars
nice tractor
Nice comment
I have a 1.9 JTD ( Alfa Romeo diesel, first one to have common rail) and it never is that Smokey.
Had -20 C this winter and it started up just fine, no smoke, all good.
2003 Alfa 156
Apart from the battery and the glow plugs, i can hear the valve lifters ticking if i`m correct. if it`s rough on idle maybe give those a look. also, i think that right after it started it wasn`t firing all 4 cylinders :-??
yeah it does sound like the lifters were very loud! It did seem to almost hiccup quite a bit after he started it rather than an even idle
I am the owner of golf 4 1.9 diesel from 2003 and he start on minus 33 in 1 minute. He has 360000 miles.
I’d love to see a video of that.
How the oil can still do it's thing in these temperatures blows me away
Glow plugs are good but battery is very weak change batt it will be good
Looks like the battery is a smaller size than what that car can have, look for the highest CCA battery that fits
The power from the battery wasn’t not going to the starter motor solenoid at the beginning
Bay bay planet..
Where are that it is this cold?
push it down a grade/hill and let the clutch fly with pumping the gaspedal, that always starts it..
Invest in a agm battery not from crappie tire tho, but damn thats a cold start, I love my TDI nothing but good times
you can tell its that cold cuz the crunch
avoid using those jump starters, sometimes it may fry some electonic modules
yeah I don't like those 70A START features - never had much luck with them. Better to charge at 10-12 amps for a while.
Change that battery or charge it every day. In Sweden they put heater in oil drain plug so oil is thinner when you crank it.
This car has a VW brand oil pan heater stuck on the bottom.
By far one of the best looking and best driving gen VW Jettas but they were total garbage cars even when brand new and Nightmares to work on. When my husband and I were just dating he had a brand new one under lease. Every mechanics and even random people would approach us at gas stations telling him to dump it when his lease is up not to buy it or he'll be sorry. In the three years he had the car he had two Transmissions, air conditioning failure, problem with the sunroof, and a bunch of different weird electrical Gremlins. All of them were covered under warranty but considering that I've owned the same Camry since 2000 and have 435 thousand miles and have literally never had half of those issues occur after 21 years that he had in three
Good ol diesel J bombs eh 😂
Needs a new battery. Also make sure it's on 0w30 oil and press the clutch so it's not trying to spin the transmission as well. 👍
battery is weak yes. has 5w40 oil. clutch was in.
@@gregs_garage also putting the sidelights on for a minute before doing anything will help. (When you get a new battery) a small electrical load helps warm the battery up and precondition it before you engage a heavier load like glow plugs and then the starter. 👍
now THAT sounds like an old wives' tale
@@gregs_garage no its true. You see quite a few cold start videos on here where first attempt is very slow and then after a while the battery "wakes up" enough to crank that little bit faster.
@@jammymark I'm a auto technician that specializes in electrical/engine performance diagnostic and I assure you that's not true. Marker lights on takes a couple amps what's that going to do? That's just not a thing, get that out of your head. The first thing you want to do (If you could be bothered, it doesn't actually matter) is charge up the new battery because it's been sitting for probably months and has lost a bit of charge. The reason an engine might be turning over faster after cranking for a bit is because the cylinders are partially firing but not enough to start it. That's a diesel engine thing mostly and has nothing to do with warming up the battery lol.
You definitely don't want to put 0w-30 in this engine either.
At -27ºC battery amp hours drops by 50% so that's big trouble. Having a battery that is undersized for the car, with a diesel that's much more critical than with a petrol engine, is a big mistake. Running the lowest acceptable viscosity oil in winter also a big factor in getting the engine to turn over in these temps. Got there in the end but I guess you were late to work that day. 👍
Did you have the block heater plugged in?
nope. Real cold starts don't do that. This car has a dealer installed VW oil pan heater as it's a Vancouver Island car where it's warm and they don't need block heaters so it wasn't ordered with one. Actually I don't believe any TDI had block heaters, they either have coolant circulation heaters, or oil pan stick-on heaters.
hello can i borrow a part of this video for my compilation? i put alink to your video in the description ofc :)
no thanks. I'm worried youtube will flag it as "duplication" if it shows up in multiple places
@@gregs_garage oh shit man, I misunderstood you and thought you're giving me permission :P I'll cut the video out then. I assure you that this never happened though , and if anything, I'll be the one getting in trouble not you
Why do you use the bio-diesel garbage, especially in cold weather? Is good diesel not available?
Winter diesel in Canada where I am is without bio material and for the north they blend it with kerosene.
why does it beep like 6 times why?
glad to see tdi on US, in Europe 90% are tdi
Where did you drive the 1km
It probably just rounded the .6 to 1km when the battery died
U dont have to close the key, glow plugs continu heating when the light come off
Was this in Edmonton? Minus this winter so far, we have had some cold winters the last 4-5 winters.
Not edm
@@gregs_garage lucky you 😂 i hate Edmonton.
Imagine having to go to work in those temperatures, you would have to wake up 30 minutes to almost an hour earlier just to start your car.😂👍
Edit: ohhh a couple hours, so you would have to wake up a couple hours before actual wake up time and put the charger on the battery then go back to sleep so you can start the car in the morning😂 or just put the charger on before you go to sleep😂🤷♂️
you need a different vehicle for certain days. These are not compatible unless you plug them in.
Il y a un ajustement sur la poulie du CAM sans la dévisser il y a trois petites vis fait juste l'avancée de 1/8 de pouce ça va faire toute la différence
alaska ?
Its not the battery. Let the glow plugs for about a 30 seconds to a minute depending on how cold it is. If it was the battery then your interior lights wouldn't come on.
Use 0w-40 T6 Rotella (full synthetic) Amazing difference!
That's too thin, when the oil is warmed up it'll slowly damage the engine
@@mrcaboosevg6089 yup, Best is 5w40 shell rotella. I wouldn't use 0 weight either
oh yeah this car makes sence the hazards come on after starting
True..... It's a VW. A repairman's favorite car.
@@letitrest4662 yeah, when you have no idea how to maintain it properly