Fix Your Old Deck Frame and Save Money! | Deck Restoration
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2018
- If you can salvage the existing frame of your deck before you remodel, you can save tons of money! In this video, I'll salvage the existing frame from an old deck, re-structure, and lay new boards, skirts and rails, in only one weekend! Let's go!
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At 6:39 I love the fact that the DIY homeowner who built the original deck left their rubber WELCOME mat under the floor joists for supporting the deck on the concrete pad. Now, THAT'S a new one.
Fuck your right! Wow that's dogshit
This is a great video about salvaging what you can, especially right now with the cost and availability of “COVID” lumber! It also helped confirm I am on the right track with the existing structure I’m salvaging. I’m in the same situation, hard to believe the deck was framed the way it was but working with what’s there and improving the structural integrity. Also a low deck, but still want it to last a while and stay put.
Thanks for passing on your knowledge and experience.
I am an electrician and water sewer. I am a piper. I love your work and you are my friend from the heart
Nice intelligent methodical approach, was a joy to watch!
Huge respect for you talent, experience and skill. Really entertaining to watch, and extremely educational as I just bought my second rental property, and will need to make some renovations! Keep it up!
We plan to make these videos till I die. Hopefully a long time. Cheers!
Thanks for the tips and tricks.. As I'm in the middle of fixing up my old deck. Very much the same issue's apart from that where the deck was attached to the house, it was done badly and caused that part of the house to Rot.... I loved that the door mate was used as a shim.
well done Jeff! thanks for sharing.
I enjoyed hearing the thought process. It blows my mind not having a code for decks under 24". It also surprises me to see an all cedar deck. That's unheard of down here in the Southeast. Just PT lumber all the way, and decks get torn down and rebuilt after 10 or 15 years if people don't look after them well.
Looking good so far! I like it when you can see all your level boards at once when sighting down the structure :)
Thanks Jared, I am glad that worked out. kind of cool since it was old.Cheers1
I did a neighbor a huge favor, so, in return, he built my deck. The whole time, I was thinking, none of this is right. But, it's a start. He said he would come back and fix it. He moved. I have looked on YT for this type of video and have not found one I liked... until now! For a year I have tried to figure out how I was going to repair my deck. Well now I know what to do. You answered so many questions I actually cried. This video went into my 'house' library.
Max, the videoing was great and the music was faultless.
This is why I Love This Channel! Thank you, Gentlemen!!
So glad to hear we can help you out. If you would like me to stop by just let me know. cheers!
LOL It's 97* here in the south east US today with 55% humidity and only 4 mph winds. I know you're thinking 'No way!' But this winter when you're in snow up to your ears I'll be inside thinking 'No Way!' I wish I could hire you guys. It would be nice to get something done properly around here.
After reading some of the other comments, I see you're on vacation. HAVE A GREAT TIME!!!
Learned some good tips from Jeff - thank you.
Thanks for the awesome work you do in your videos.
Our pleasure johnny, glad to help out. Cheers1
15:50
If you put the square on the other side of the lumber, the point of the triangle will overhang the close side and give your circ saw way more edge to follow for the first part of the cut.
another great find for my currant project. happy new year!
I'm getting ready to build my new front deck and found many great tips in this video. Thanks
Glad to help Richard. Cheers!
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you so much for the time, effort and knowledge you put into these videos. I hope you get famous and make a lot of money from your channel. But even if you don't, just know that what you're doing is greatly appreciated! Thank you sir!
Thanks james, so far it looks like people are liking the message. Cheers!
I love all your videos very informative..thanks
21:50 "That's structurally sound" Kicks it three or four times...Priceless!!!lolz
Once you have been around a while you will realize that structure is a bit of a joke. Most cases structure means it won't fall down right now.
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Great video thanks it help me lots to renew my deck.
This is outstanding.... thanks for sharing!!! Prepping to compete our front porch when the Ipe / Tigerwood arrives. Only slight, minor concern would be Jeff's math; causes me confusion but this certainly isn't the first time!!! Thanks!
Very nice Contractor.... he know what hes doing... wow
Cheers!
Looking good my guy 👌
Thanks Cheers!
Great video as always!
thanks patrick!
I often find myself trying to figure out why the hell these here videos are so damn gooood 😁😁 just wow
Thanks Kevin, we really appreciate that!
Really enjoying your videos, picked up some really useful tips, been reminded of a few and grateful you explain the reasons for doing things a particular way which allows the principals to be applied correctly elsewhere.
Awesome XJ
I’m building a deck this week end, I found your videos very informative! From Ottawa region!
How is the Deck Going Stephane?
Home RenoVision DIY going good but I need a second pair of hands, so my wife will give me a hand tomorrow morning!
Jeff, I absolutely love all of your videos. I've learned so much in the short time I've been subscribed. Cheers, Jeff
Thanks a lot, glad to help. Cheers!
Stomps on thing three times, declares it structurally sound. :)
I loved this video, very well done just wanted to see the finished project please
Keep watching over the next few weeks...it is on the way!
Hi Jeff. In this video, you talk about using structural nails versus other types. I'm a bit ignorant about these nail types. I tried to look up structural nails on the Internet. There is a lot of information on nails, but nothing that denotes structural nails. Would you please explain what a structural nail is? Thanks. BTW, I have cycled through a lot of your videos. Awesome job. Your personality, expertise, and ability to teach us make these videos.
Jeff's presentation and explanations really ARE excellent and an oject lesson in how to things right first time.
Great show...I use to set newel post in new tract homes,open the plywood and block all sides with carpenter glue and 16d galvy's put plywood back and move on,,,paid 10 bucks a post back in 1974
Cool!
Your video was cool...I always wonder how to hang a railing post. Now I know to add the brace. Nice video
glad to help. Cheers1
One of the top videos on the deck framing.
6:46.... the previous dude didn’t even pick up the door mat😂 dude was like “nah too much effort”
What post was it that you cut a notch in, and why? Loving these video's btw-all the problems you found with this deck, seem to be my problem as well! Thanks for the awesome info!
Need part 3 already 😁
LOL next saturday. Cheers!
i agree with all that Jeff said about rescuing and old deck that may not have been built to the best standards when it was put in.
I built a 10X12 unattached deck (22" high) at the rear of my property in 1981 when I bought the house, I was an electrical engineer so I built it with common sense and whatever i picked up from Popular Mechanics. I used 2X8 PT framing on 30" centers running side to side on the 12ft dimension, I had 9ea 4X4 posts sitting on concrete pads that probably were 4" into the hard pan and 4" above it, there is a 2X6 that runs front to back under the center run of 4X4's. The framing was attached to the posts with 2ea 3/8" galvanized bolts (two from each plane on corners, the intermediate joists were attached with 3 16d nails and 2 3/8" dowels. i cut felt paper and put strips on top of all the framing as a barrier to water, I also laid poly under the deck to keep the ground moisture level down. The decking was 2X6 hemlock that I coated with Penta (no longer sold for a good reason) I stood the decking on end on a bucket of Penta so it got sucked up into the end grain. The rain was 2X6 angled with incorporated seating on the front and sides of the deck, the back butted into and existing 4 ft wall that i capped with wood to make additional seating. A few months later a coated everything with Cabot's oil stain and i added a fresh coat every few years.
After about 25 years I replaced a few deck boards and then after 35 years I had all the decking ripped off and replaced with PT 2x6 because a lot of the old hemlock boards were failing. The contractor said he might have to put intermediate joists in fore structural support and I told him to so what he thought best. When the contractor ripped off the decking (I was near 70 at the time and had a bad back) he was amazed by the soundness of the 35 year old framing frame and said there was no need to worry about the 30" spacing. I coated the new 2X6PT decking with stain and that will do me for the rest of my days, that deck has zero bounce and is as strong as it was back in '81 when it was new and the 1" of slope (decking runs fore to aft) over the 10ft length is has not changed over the decades.
The deck was never built to "standards but I'd say it's weathered pretty good considering it's now 37-1/2 years old.
Cheers!
Nice job on your part, I'm about through doing the same thing at my house. Luckily I had a lot better structure underneath to deal with, totally sound after 20 years. At 6:42, the original builder left the damn door mat down and built over it? Nice. And putting plastic down underneath? I'm in SC and that would hold water and be a mosquito breeder around here. Got some good pointers though, Thanks.
This was really good, Jeff. I bet Mike Holmes is a subscriber - :-)
Mike holmes probably built the first deck
Is that the welcome mat still under the sleepers?? whoa! Good vid, man.
Yes it is. lol!
The same thing happened to my L-shaped pool deck. I threw it together and it lasted about 7 years before sinking in the middle. I completely rebuilt it and used as much old framing as I could. I used those headlock screws at every post (love 'em!). I wish I had seen this video before I rebuilt it because I did the decking before installing the rails and had to use those "fancy" post bottom caps (which work great but are pricey!). I even put the LEDs caps on every post which really lights it up at night! Keep up the great videos. I really enjoyed your dry wall series too!
Watched three four times, each time l learned something new by paying close attention.
Only thing I still not sure where the MS-400 Building tape is installed ? What is the application of the tape ?
The ABSOLUTE BEST part for me ..... the original door mat is under the deck !!!!!! LMAO !! Must have sentimental value ???? my my my ... the things people do ....lol.
Be it using pressure treated wood or regular wood, whenever I do deck repairs to my cabin, I try to put a coat of deck stain to as many of the structural deck members as I can. I also paint all sides of the deck boards with deck stain before installing them. Does this layer of wood protection help?
By far my new favorite channel on RUclips. Jeff can I ask a question (I'm a DIY beginner) - at 17:29 where you're fixing a joist to the rim but there is no adjoining post, why not use a hanger? Is it sufficient to put screws into the end of the joist through the rim? Thanks.
Hi Chris, I got to it later, as a habit i install and then add strength
I really like that you dont go crazy about this, but keep it on a realistic DIY level.
Nowadays it seems a house owner just have to throw in at least a few grands to fix the simplest things.
That is just marketing and b.S. I try to keep it real to bring real help for real people. Cheers1
You had a 4x4 post in the corner supporting the deck. You put a 4x4 railing post right above it. How did you attach that railing post?
@ 32:00 this is why I like decimal….easy
Ooo... my first "first" lol! I have this project coming up soon... either this summer or next. My joists look like they're at least 2 feet apart... if not further :-P
Congratulations....I am on holidays sorry for the late response. Cheers! Just add a few more. then you will be able to use any deck surface on earth.
I love your laugh lol
Thanks Noah, that makes 1 of us!
I have a question not a comment but I hope to get some help on this. My friend purchased some treated wood so that I could make a gate for her and she asked me if it's best to put up the gate right away or if I should wait until they are a little more dry so they don't weigh so much. What do you think is best?
This is funny. I keep laughing at how you are reacting to what the builder did.
in this case he was just dumb. Cheers!
This is like Sunday massbut I actually enjoy it
Anyone know where to purchase those hex bolt replacement screws he talks about? Do they have a specific name? Great video
Jeff should be sponsored by Dewalt at this point lol
How did you attach the outside corner railing post? It looked like you placed the 4x4 on top of the structural 4x4 and screwed down diagonally. Will that hold anything?
What’s the stuff you put under the support posts? Rather than digging and using concrete?
So I should not use outside galvanized joist hanger nails? I should use the screws you used here for my joist hangers? Also, is there any advantage (or disadvantage) to using joist hangers on my outside rim joist?
Helpful video! Is there anything you recommend to put under a deck to prevent the rain water from splashing down? Or to drain the water away from the house? We have a deck on our main level, but the water drips right through to the basement level about 9-10 feet below. Then it splashes up on the basement door.
there are deck ceiling products on the market that redirect water. Cheers!
27:33 , how does attaching wood like that helps to transfer load to the porch?
15:55, pro tip, reverse the directions of the square, you will have more straight edge in contact with saw.
beat me to it
If galvanize nails rust too, what about galvanized joist hangers?
‘By order of the Peaky Blinders’ 😂😂😂😂
lol,
Hey boss what circular saw is that? I ask cuz it looks to me like it may be larger than 7 1/4 but I may be crazy
Jeff can you do a video on deck building around above ground pool?
Perhaps one day we will. the secret is to not cover the edge of the pool so you can always replace a liner if necessary. Cheers!
I've have a friend that building a 1250 square foot deck around an above ground pool. Hes had like 35 concrete footings. Lol
Please list the material list you used. Thanks.
Jeff - how exactly did you attach the corner railing post at 34:52? I have the same scenario on my deck and want to know how to properly secure it. Thanks
Same question
Why didn't you use structural screws on the deck posts to hold them solid ?
I can watch forever when other people working :)
Watched most of the videos from this channel, and still didn't do anything by myself =(
Cool, cheers!
Struggle is real :)
Wow, that was really impressive! my initial expectation was for you to add more posts. I know you already stated that you took one out instead of adding more in a previous comment. Well that solved my curiosity, and it was a great idea. How did you come from being a painter to a jack of trades/carpenter? I see the natural progression of working backwards from painting to learning how to mud then to hanging dry wall. Not so much on how to remodel, and learning about load bearing walls, duct work ect... My next question is: Do you plan on showing a video on how to rebuild roofs or even building a new roof?
Anyway, Thank you for the video and your expert advice! I really appreciate it! Also Thank you for taking time to answer my questions! I really appreciate that as well.
Have a good one, and Cheers!
LOL, I have been blessed with great opportunities to learn and great teachers...even if they were jerks. i learned a lot. Cheers!
Were you able to use joist hangers on Both sides of the single beam running through the middle?
Yes the span is quite short so not carrying much load. Cheers!
Hello, when you mention "forged alloy screw" do you have a brand / model to advise than we can find in a local hardware shop? Thank you :)
I wanted to ask the same question.
My 4x4 cedar posts split like crazy shortly after installing them, especially the ones for the stairs? How does one prevent these canyons from developing. Thanks.
Don’t use cedar posts
You lost me with all the adding. Lol My husband will get it though... hopefully.
Thank you so much for this series of deck repair video's. They are going to help us soo much. Only thing that could help us more is Jeff😁😁😁😁.
LOL, I can't be everywhere. But hopefully this helps enough. Cheers!
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Please add links to products you reccommend to use.
Sawsall all the nails and screws sticking up and hammer the nubs down. Pulling them destroys the wood
Do you have a link to those ally screws/fasteners used to hold on the joists? Great video, as always.
yea I would like a link because I used screws on my joist hangers and inspector made me take them out had to use joist hanger nails.
Simpson Strong-Tie #10 x 2-1/2 in. Hex Head Strong-Drive SD Structural-Connector Screw (100-Pack)
Can I have that Cherokee over there?...
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The MS-400 Building Tape (shown at 5:04 min) is not available in HomeDepot or Lowes anymore. Any suggestion on the alternative product?
They carry joist tape now. just check with the store or order from Amazon!
Jeff, can I ask, what is the Dewalt Drill you use? is it a hammer drill/driver 1/2" or is it the Impact Wrench 1/2", 3/8"? Thanks
29 volt brushless impact driver and drill set!
Here that reno would fail, twelve feet and it requires a three gang 2x10 grade beam.
It looks like they had an original idea to just make a small deck porch, that ended at the start of the bay window, and extended out to a foot or so past the cement step. Then, in the middle of framing, someone decided they wanted it bigger.
I thought this was going to.be another video of a guy talking about how stupid the original builder of the deck was. With constant finger pointing of all the mistakes made... I was wrong. Thank you for the video and the time you take to explain the reasoning for each step taken. Fantastic job.
Thanks Jordan!
Pieces parts ha.. but hey Jeff.. you said it yourself . it lasted 20 years.. who knew lol
Thanks for another very informative video.
I criticism though- at 5:50 you mention pressure washing.
IMHO Never pressure wash a deck as it drives any mould spores from the surface or already in the wood far into the wood and gives them a nice drink as well.
I was 'fortunate' enough to make a direct,'scientific' comparison when I renovated a 14m deck for 2 adjoining houses a few years back.The half which LOOKED awful and was full of crushed acorns etc only needed 1 joist out of 14 replacing and 90% of the boards were re-usable.
The other half of the deck LOOKED 'tidy' but had been repeatedly pressure-washed over the years.60+% of the boards were composT,especially on the underside and 11 out of 14 joists were utterly destroyed by fungal attack.
All other things were equal-same foundations,timber,carpenter,sun/shade and of course identical weather conditions,all built at the same time as well!.
Jeff I’m on the Gulf of Mexico where is no frost line so I’m ignorant on the subject. How is placing the posts on a block on the ground any different than a post in the dirt that doesn’t penetrate the frost line? Is there not still going to be heaving and movement ?
yes but the ground also heaves and lays flat when thawed. the overall effect is a little out of level in winter and perfect the rest of the year. Nothing to worry about. that is why we use the hangers to help keep it strong after movement. Cheers!
Hi can you put up a link for the nails and tape....thanks
when I get back from vacation I will. Cheers!
Is it ok to attach a deck to the house and have the other end floating? If the other end sinks wont it make problems for the end attached to the house?
Not supposed to be this way. best way is all footings or nothing attached and all floating.
At 31:15 I’m trying to understand what you say about the 5/4 surface on the handrail. You say it provides a ............ surface. ????
you mentioned a large black screw that replaces the carriage bolts, but don't name the product. What are they called.
By the way, great job on the video. It is exactly what I am currently doing with my existing 12 x 16 deck.
Keep em coming.....
Fastenmaster HeadLok, TimberLok and LedgerLok.Depends on your application.
what lime stone did you use
screenings. Cheers!
Nails would do better for shear forces. Personally I'd have it torn out. Where I live this would be against building code because you can't do a mixed structure by attaching part to the house and parts not. Here you either attach it and therefor make it part of the house (which requires permits and increases your property taxes because it's more "structure") or you don't and nobody cares unless the deck is over 3 feet above grade. Mentioning building codes would be helpful for this video, as that may vary a lot from area to area and it's better to check for codes before building something that comes to bite you down the road.
YOU do you. most people are looking for practical advice. anybody can remove and reinstall but that costs extra money they would rather spend on their kids.
They built over the freaking door mat lmao
@6:39 they left the old frontdoor mat under the deck??
yes, a sure sign that this was done in a hurry. LOL
Wtfffff
I was just going to say that!!
Same, first thing I noticed at that moment lol 😂😂
It said "Welcome...to my mess" lol
What is the gravel that he lays under the pads. Calls it limestone I think. Is it a sub base material. In the UK we have type 1 ballast, is this the same type of thing?
limestone dust.
Thanks
Are zinc screws OK?
no idea, i never use them.
Mr. Thormon tear down that deck! And start over.