Why NATO isn’t fighting back? | Ben Hodges
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2025
- Recent discoveries in the Baltic Sea have escalated concerns about Russia’s hybrid warfare tactics. Finnish investigators identified drag marks linked to a suspected Russia-connected vessel following significant damage to undersea power and data cables. These incidents raise urgent questions about the limits of provocation and NATO’s readiness to respond. Joining us today on TVP World to unpack the military and strategic stakes is Ben Hodges, the Former Commander of U.S. Army Europe and Africa.
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Support to Finland 🇫🇮, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from Sweden.
Happy New Year!
I am ashamed to be Swedish. Doing nothing.
What escalate, haven’t the Russians escalated enough?
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@@Cloud-dq1mr all the countries ruled by the US
Well said. Ben Hodges
Always a please to hear Ben Hodges speak.
Have been wirking with quite a few Finnish people. I trust them! They know what they are doing and are prepared.
Agreed. They also know the Russians; they have some experience dealing with them in their history.
@janeck.8695...and their territory, for that matter.
Swede here! Mr Hodges is right, our Swedish Statsminister Kristerson is not tough enough, I hope Finland’s measures will show how to counter Russian hybrid warfare
You and ben are war mongers
Sweden has joined nato and is now part of the wests proxy war with Russia. Nato operated long range missiles against Russia. Did you think Sweden could join and (allegedly)not be targeted back?
@@daviddesert3132that's right buddy. Also, russia is now officially a part of North Korea's proxy war against Ukraine 🤡
@@daviddesert3132 "Nato operated long range missiles against Russia." Do you have proof? No? I thought not ...
Totally agree! All Nordic countries needs to toughen up with Russia! From Norway 🇳🇴
Good job Finland ! Please to have you with NATO.
Sell the ships and cargo to compensation for damages done, put the Captains and 1st Mates on trial for wilful damages. Show fleet ships should be intecepted and inspected for sanctioned cargo and seaworthiness, because they are floating eco-disasters.
First of all, in theory the ship should have an insurance to pay for such damage. Let's be real : that will never happen. So yes, seize, unload the oil, and then disable the thing.
It might be an idea to sell the ships and cargo and use the proceeds to buy weapons for Ukraine.
How much will you pay for Nordstream 2.
Illegal oil taken from Syria by USA?
@@barnsej98 nothing. It was owned by Gazprom and they have to deal with their own sh*. They stopped gas flowing through weeks before the accident, and 50% of capacity is still there.
So go jump into your toilet , russian propagandist.
Ben Hodges is right! There must be consequences!
@@Rohan123-b9t Well he did mention how India.....wanker nation....is supporting the Russians through oil purchases. Does that bother you? The facts?
Yes general Hodges Sir!!!💯🇳🇱👏
General Hodges should be President of America not that idiot Donald Trump!
We have to motivate him for the next election....
Great Guest! Have more of Hodges!
Military Legend!
Purple Heart!
Purple Haze
@@LynRegan Seriously, i feel bad to have abused an award. Pls accept my apologies.
Spot on....wise man talking. Please NATO take note.
Finland seizing the ship in order to investigate is safe and sane. The Shadow fleet is for denying responsibility, after all.
And espionage
In addition of missing anchor, the ship was above the electric cable when the blackout transpired. Turva is heavy ship that could tow an ocean liner on ice, and it had the military helicopter, that police swat-team used to mount the ship, and were tasked to storm the bridge. They were heavily armed and prepared to face enemy commandos. There were none, but there was no way that this ship is going anywhere after this borderline *act of war*. They were going to be seized, either with these two patrol vessels, or with real warships if need be. We’ve been exemplary in our patience, now was time to act.
Had the tanker not changed course on command the officials stated that they were prepared for other methods, although they did not spesify what those would have been. I wonder would the coast guard vessel pushed the tanker off its course by force or would it just have been boarded right then and there. In any case, this was well played by the authorities.
@@herptek After all previous antics from Russia, and after Sweden let them go away last time, should this tanker went again its merry way without nobody able to do anything but say in EU tables that ”Oh, what a terrible misfortune 😱” like previous times, it would’ve been humiliating not only to the Republic of Finland, but making a fool out of the entire NATO alliance as well. I think we did the bare minimum here to send a message. And it’s always nice that it was officially a police operation, and did not creep into a military one, albeit defence forces were ready to step in and provided locational and logistical (mainly helicopters) support.
Theatrics worth an Oscar by the finns. That ship was on Finnish waters. That's why the could board the ship. Capten and the crew on that ship was very cooperative with Finnish authorities. The Finns could have boarded that ship in a friendly and normal boarding by putting a vessel next to that ship. but Finnish authorities choosed a very hostile and bad behavior instead of a friendly one. That ship was loaded with gasoline and those Finnish fools stormed the ship.
@@johnnytiger7580 if it was a passenger ship, Russians would have just sunk it and said “it’s not us”, “wait for the inquiry”. Ru breaks billions of dollars of infrastructure, testing article 5, they got off lightly
@@johnnytiger7580 Cutting 4 data cables and a strategic power cable and still steaming head on anchor chain down towards another power cable and a gas pipeline is extremely hostile and bad behavior in my opinion. What you are complaining about is basically Finland being impolite in return.
Two previous times you managed to slip, but this time you were defeated. We have the ship in custody in Finland, neither it nor the crew enjoy diplomatic immunity. You don't get away with it anymore.
It is high time for NATO and its allies to stop reactive action and take proactive steps to force Russia back within its own borders. Russia has never, and will never, voluntarily cease its aggression; it cannot be appeased so it must be forcefully stopped.
Great point about terminology. Calling it 'hybrid war' is just an excuse for taking no action. All destructive activities are just that. There should always be a tough response at the appropriate level. Having no response is just dangerous and brings about an escalation from Russia.
Like nordstream pipe?😅😅😅😅😅
@@babaisoko97051 no one using it, 2 Russia did it, 3 wait for the inquiry
The host just repeats the same point over and over. Essentially “but what should we do if they do something that’s really bad?” As if they haven’t just acted aggressively. It’s the classic whimp rhetoric where countries watch while the bullies take and take and take.
As stated by ex NATO Secretary-General Gen Anders Fogh Rasmussen .... "I think [that a] lesson learned from history is that appeasement with dictators does not lead to peace, it leads to war and conflict".
Problem is that the lesson has NOT been learned.
@@pierrebuffiere5923 Right. Time to put the foot down were passed a long time ago. War is no fun and we have not asked for it, on the contrary but now is the time to put our own boots on the ground in Ukraine. POOtin may not be able to get one single benefit from starting an illegal aggression war and invasion attempt.
Just propaganda rhetoric from Rasmussen... The Imperialists always label the ones that resist and confront their Imperialism as 'dictators' or 'the bad guy'.
It's clearly not working anymore when the global majority fully supports, trades and has increased economic relations with Russia.
@@pierrebuffiere5923 by everyone. I think the Finns see it
True, whe shouldn't have followed Biden but we should have stood up to him. You can't please dictators like him...
To all the Finnish people involved in this:- thank you for showing NATO what needs to be done.
Regards from the UK.
Greetings from Finland. Go home and take your Nato with, thats the whole problem here and possible in Ukraine.
@@eerotabell1952 Eero try moving to russia. Finland doesn't need you.
@@eerotabell1952 Someone saying Nato is the one causing problems to Finland and/or Ukraine is either A) not a Finn or B) ignorant beyond belief.
@@FinBiasYou dont deserve aswer. Grow up!
@@MahtijanisNo one is interesting of your narrow opinions.
Well said Ben Hodges, it would be good if you were more involved in this, I just hope you're being listened to by all.
The thought that Russia would attack a Nato country militarily is absurd. With what? Let's escalate and get it overwith.
yes, but with caution they have nuclear weapons and chemical weapons
@@PraneshSacher So what. They're not alone.
Our Scandinavian and Baltic brothers, we stand with you! Greetings from Germany
Ben Hodges is right. 👍👍
@@Rohan123-b9t Righto Ivan bot
I wish the leaders who have the power to act, listen to Ben Hodges
It wasn't only the Fins, it was the Estonians too.. There's been strong bonds between the two countries even during Soviet times and both know ruSSia's falsity all too well...
Hats off to Ben Hodges for having been spot-on from the outset, and for posessing the stamina to keep repeating common sense and basic human decency, week after week.
NO INSURANCES, no go to Baltic Sea
Exactly! We should be enforcing international laws. It’s as simple as that 😊
Search ALL Russian bound ships. For my friends, everything, for my enemies, bureaucracy
100% ok what Ben Hodges said.
Really admire Finland and the Baltic states - well done.
Only Latvia and Finland are reacting properly.
wow. Professional host with super english skills. Better than anyone we have on American tv
Ben Hodges is an American general, FYI .. he was US commander for NATO in Europe and Africa
You don't know who Gen. Hodges is? Surely you can hear his American accent.
@janeck.8695 I had the same thought, then realized that the OP talks about the guy hosting the show.
@@spxram4793 Exactly! prestonphelps is a MAGA bigot taking aim at what they disparagingly call ‘DEI hires’.
@@spxram4793 the OP's comment was about the host of the programme, not the guest...🙄
Always love hearing from gen.Hodges,he is always on point and no beating around the bush.
with wealth prosperity and wellbeing comes the belief that someone else will stop the bully, someone elses job is to fight, someone else will make the bad people go away. If I ignore it the problem will go away.
Awesome podcast thanks Ben hodges 😊
When will the world finally start to listen to this wise man!
Great talk, thank you! As always a pleasure to watch Gen. Ben Hodges! Great job of the host too.
Hodges is absolutely correct.
Russia is escalating daily on all countries they want .So they have to be punished much harder then they do.The only language they understand is force!
Total BS. Global majority supports Russia.
Thank you,Ben Hodges.
Great interview. I hope you get a lot of viewers.
Set Ben Hodges as chief of NATO, then thing will happen !
Secretary general of NATO is more of a diplomatic function, I think Mark Rutte is the right person in this role now. Ben Hodges would be the right guy to hold a position in the American administration, I think that's where he would have a very positive impact.
@@veganlion8662I agree. What I heard is that Rutte has a lucky hand to make compromises happen.
My God I so wish Ben still was leading USA European Nato! Russia would have been stopped by now.
Plus the Ukraine command would have real strategy and leadership
SHUT UP!!!! keep dreaming
Luckily it's only your wishfull thinking. I prefer not to live on a post-apocalyptic planet.
Hodges would not be able to do all the things he preaches because Russia will kick NATO's head in.
@johnadam2885 sorry but your wrong
@@johnadam2885You have a strange idea of "Russia's" capabilities.. It's stuck in Ukraine presently, facing a fraction of NATO's capabilities..🧐
General Ben Hodges for President 🌞🌻🌞
If I look at the US presidents of the last two decades, Ben Hodges is more than qualified. In fact he's massively overqualified.
There are millions of US citizens who are more suitable and qualified then the president elect , an unbelievable mistake will be legalised into power in Jan 25.
Thanks Ben.
Closing gulf of Finland for a month, then only inspected russian ships as long as they do not violate sanctions, have insurance and do not try to hide ownership would be appropriate.
What about Chinese ships? They make up the majority od Russian shadow fleet.
@@gromowigor9505 If they have russian cargo, russian ship. Russian intelligence has been hiding oligark money since forever and they are very good at hiding real owners. Ignore the lips, look at the hands.
Ben Hodges has great points again 👍
He is right ✅️
Thanks for interviewing General Hodges.
Ben Hodges is completely right!
We, NATO, are not the underdog here and we should not act as one. 🇳🇱🇵🇱
I agree. We are self deterring and overly cautious about escalation. A firmer hand is required to deal with a bully like Putin. He only respects strength.
NATO has to get real and play Putin at his own game,,too much rearguard action by them to Russia's spoiling tactics.
I completely agree.
Great interview Ben.
What about the customers of RU illegal oil trade facing secondary sanctions?
That right there is a good inerview!
same as the damage of stream2, is it ??
The difference between Russia and NATO here is something that isn't clearly discussed in this video. Russia pokes around, draws red lines that don't matter. The west cannot act in that manner, for numerous reasons (international law is still important to the west, despite Russia and China pissing all over it), the west consists of democracies with populations that will not appreciate random poking the Russians without a proper strategy (even if they think they might right now). When the West does act, however, it is with much more thought about the end game than when Russia does it. When the West acts, it's going to be 1) Consequential 2) Long-term damaging for Russia 3) Short-term boring to anyone who wishes for a bit of quick retribution 4) As non-violent as possible as to not risk NATO lives.
If the Nordics forced pilot on these ships because of environmental reasons, the problem was solved and we knew whats on the ships.
You can only force pilots in national waters, and where the cables are "attacked" happens in international waters. Sure, we can inspect the ships. But that can be done as an insurance inspection/guarantee anyways, no need for a pilot to do that. We just need to do it, instead of talking about it.
The REAL way to stop POOtin are putting our own boots on the ground in Ukraine. Time to actively enter this war has come.
@@kasperwittrup1288 I am pretty sure we can force them to use pilots, because of enviremental reasons.
But according to Mr Putin himself, he is at war with the collective west, therefore we could also block his ports, threats has already been given against Denmark, so perhaps it was the way to persude.
Well, Denmark And Sweden could first close their dire straits... They must also keep care of their Bridges...
Denmark and Sweden cannot close the Baltic Sea BUT they can make demands on the ships sailing through their straits if they have grounds for not deeming some of the ships potentially in a state that are not safe. I think it is time we call NATO article 4 and or 5 and put own boots on the ground in Ukraine. That is the real path to stop this.
I guess you have no clue about the Maritime Law and the meaning of "International waters"
@@AndyWoohoo666 yes, we have to respect laws or we are like Russian leaders.
@@AndyWoohoo666
if the ships don’t have all the paperwork in order they forfeit their rights.
@@chillijoe8264
Still you can't close a strait or in this case International waters without cause/ a resolution/ starting a war/ conflict. So unless you'll break the law you will not know the status of their papers and therefor you can't stop them on International seaways.
Man, can't you people just do a little research on how things in the real world works? Then stop hyping probabilities and make up scenarios?
Ben is correct
well said
Most humble & intelligent person is Ben …
The anchor was missing
Roll out sanctions on those countries caught buying Russian oil.
They can't. Big international corporations have business with those countries and we know "money talks".
Shame on us for not acting!
Ben Hodges is the best!
Just go through his history on predictions and suggestions when the war started and you will realised that he knows nothing.
Everything that he said was rather opposite. With this leaders no wonder USA always go to war and runaway.
To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill
Russia has been doing this for years already! Why act like this is new?? Grow some Balls Europe!
Thank you for your coverage
Hmmm who would of thought Russia would carry out such damage after their nordstream pipes where also damaged......
The fact NATO never fights back and always shows weakness is part of Russia's calculation
It is not war it is terrorism against civilian infrastructure , ship crew should be convicted by terrorism laws and acts against humanity and humanrights.
Vladimir and Xi are best friends. China is helping Russia in the Baltic Sea. (Yi Peng 3 & Eagle S)
both ships were transferred to Chinese companies weeks before the incidents. They were russian before. They are going on a war against Europe and America.
Once again a man of vision who constantly speaks the truth
Mark Rutte should see this too!
If only the rest of EUROPE had the gumption of the Baltic nations.
Swedish authorities are cowards. Finlands not
There should safety checks on all ships as well ownership ,insurance . other countries and companies have to.
He's right and I've been saying this for 2 years now. Russia should be worrying about what NATO might do and not the other way around. The membership of NATO is prone to a complacency formula, security through unity where every country feels they can do LESS than they would be doing if they weren't in NATO (including shrinking the size of their own armed forces). Now we have a new member, Sweden, that hasn't fallen into this complacency thinking yet, stepping out to take pro-active action only to be surprised when the other members think that's a bit ballsy..!! We should all be like Sweden, which is exactly like we used to be..!!
And on top of what Gen. Hodges said, NATO does not have to launch missiles, but Ukraine can do it legitimately.
It should be in everyone's benefit, including Russia, to have a monitoring system of the Baltic Sea, to protect the environment and economy from black market business.
There are military subsea cables alongside civilian ones. The military don't advertise where they are but there is a high likelihood they are in similar places to the civilian ones. They will not announce if they are cut, it is something that an enemy would do in preparation to open an act of war. This may have already happened in this latest incident.
Biden was a well meaning but frightened old man. We needed an Eisenhower, Kennedy or Reagan
Well, the Trump is obviously a very serious downgrade, because he thinks that the dictator of Russia is his "pal"
Their Finns know the Russians well
They don’t take any shite
The problem is that liberal democracy, as a system, is incapable of truly fighting back. What Finland did is quite literally the maximum possible under such a system.
Every Russian asset around the world can be ordered seized by Finnish courts, if the sale of the ship and cargo doesn’t net a few billions in damage compensations. Means Russian apartments, gold watches, yachts, ships, warships, cars, submarines, transiting reactor parts, trains, potatos, everything. Failure to comply will mean problems with some of Finland’s 900.000 troops arriving on Globemaster aircraft. Putin would be wise to send ten tankers filled with crude oil, to prevent them all becoming homeless around the world.
I agree with Bens sentiments, although Denmark saying that they want to stop and inspect ships within its waters, Denmark has close to zero capability militarily…. Decades of underfunding and mismanagement has left Demarks military an empty shell
Ben Hodges should replace Kellogg
Logically a great idea. Could Ben Hodges work with Trump... or would it turn out to be a repeat of the Jim Mattis story?
I'm angry and disappointed on my Swedish Government letting the China ship sail away without being thoroughly investigated. That sends all the wrong signals.
Why is India aiding Russia? 😮
Money
Cheap gas & oil
All wrong... because India knows after Russia and China. It will be next target for the Western Imperialists
Because as a country, India has no morals. It will just buy the cheapest/ pursue the best deal for itself right now, without caring about the future.
When their great deal dries up, they just go elsewhere.
India is just as corrupt, if not more so, than Russia, with the same ogliarchy system. Except they just hide it behind a veneer of democracy.
Always sucked up to Russia. Nothing new here. Putin got Modi to visit Ukraine and ask for a ceasefire a few months ago.
Considering how much losses Russia has had from NATO support for Ukraine this is very meek and pathetic of Russia actually!
Dude get real... Meek and pathetic are NATO who can't bully Russia.
Been able to hobble Russia at low cost. Whilst people in Europe are generally poorer and less optimistic than a few years ago partially to do with the coronavirus aftermath. As matters stand apart from stray fire in Poland and Romania no conflict damage in Europe. Whilst Russia nuclear weapons protects it from being treated like Serbia Iraq Libya etc Ukraine is with NATO support is clearly not deterered by Russia and it's nuclear weapons which begs the question of what utility they have if can't actually be used the fear element fades. Thus Europe and NATO have been able to corral Russia at low cost although Ukraine is paying a hard price for this
Europe destroyed their economies for US geopolitical interests, while Russia winning big in Ukraine and experienced 3.6% growth for 2023 and 3.6-3.9% growth for 2024 which is more than any EU country in those periods/Outperformed them.
EU weapon stocks are low.
Russia showed the world that NATOs best weapons are useless against a Peer adversary.
Russia re -routed energy supplies to East and global South.
BRICS expansion continues
Global majority increased trade and economic relationship's with Russia via BRICS, SCO, CSTO.
Facts have more validity than opinions.
Whilst NATO weapons have been destroyed by the Russian military in Ukraine. Far more Russian weapons have been destroyed by NATO weapons in Ukraine. Putin miscalculated in by attacking Ukraine which is being heavily backed NATO whose territories are out of bounds to Russian military action in essence a giant safe haven for Ukraine although it does think and act like it has command of resources within supporting nations it still can call upon a vast amount of resources . Other countries can buy Russian oil and gas but it forces Russia to sell at a discount. As for Europe besieged by masses of Africans and Asians the volunteering numbers for Ukraine from Europe historical population are actually rather low despite propaganda otherwise. Also the numbers of people volunteering for the military in NATO countries has fallen so much that conscription may have to be reintroduced such as the UK where it has been a point of pride for decades to have a volunteer only military. Quite simply the historical population has little desire to fight for a country which treats them with contempt with agenda of multiculturalism and wokery etc. This is more corrosive than the fear of getting killed is the sense of not having a country worth defending and have been riding on the glory of how we beat Hitler and those Nazis past it's use by date..
The war will force Russia to move on from 1941 -45 jingoism and Ukraine about the famine of the 1930s indeed excessive going on about past glories and wrongs is often a harbinger of impending conflict! As for energy and security the age old conundrum of a countries main ally being one country and trade partner another and the two factors will inevitably clash. Hence the locking out of Russian energy from Europe which began years before the Russian invasion of Ukraine yet almost all of Europe being part of the USA led NATO alliance meant for an inevitable choice. It's unfortunate that atlanticism which seeks to build a wall across the flatlands of Russia where the ancestors of many Europeans migrated from and a bridge across the deep and turbulent Atlantic has been able to succeed and destroy the optimism of the end of cold war. As for war why do countries refrain or go to war? A main reason to refrain and inhibitors is trade if relationships are good why ruin it with war . If trade collapses then there is less to loose and the inhibitions against going to war diminish. Thus Russia is mad to try and restore the Soviet Union indeed under Putin's office relationships between Russia and former USSR states has fallen even nations such as Armenia so favourable to Russia when he took office are now disillusioned with Russia whose hypocrisy and duplicity has led to a reassessment of sentiments. Indeed in trying to restore the Soviet Union Putin has accelerated the decline of its legacy.. However Ukraine is being played by the west as mentioned earlier apart from stray fire Europe hasn't had the pain of war of which it fuels in Ukraine and the Europe (white Christian) they wish to participate in fully Faded away sometime between the fall of the Berlin wall. For example a Ukrainian teenage girl in Sweden was raped less than a week after arriving at an apartment by a Somali man. In Birmingham a woman a Ukrainian woman decided to go back being surprised by the numbers of non white people. I know someone who said that Ukrainian schoolchildren in the UK were commenting about it not being like this in Ukraine about the ethnic demographics of the UK. Thus they are having a reality check of their own just like Russia who had been rather arrogant over the last ten years especially is facing its own reckoning on the battlefield of Ukraine . The problem Russia has is if there is ceasefire instigated by Donald Trump, sanctions will remain until Russia withdrew from internationally recognised Ukrainian territory it would need to bend Keev - Ukraine, Brussels - EU and NATO, and London and Washington - UN and NATO to its will to legalise it's conquests which seems most unlikely since it hasn't even bent Keev to its will so far , indeed it's a farce to declare annexation on lands it doesn't even control.
@@Rohan123-b9t ..... 1 US $$ = 113 Rubel ; the russian buissenes turns inte medieval dimensions .
Counter monitor, board and torpedo all involved ships.
Finland should lead NATO when it comes to dealing with russia. USA is far away and about to have a corrupt, convicted felon as president and Germany is playing chicken. Finland actually knows their neighbor and their mentality. All other NATO members should follow Finland's example to end this nightmare.
Russia knows NATO won't trigger Article 5 because of some underwater cables.
Next incident might invoke article 4, but im sure finland can manage things even without.
Well, I hope you are wrong. This have gone on for far to long. We are talking about a Russian dictator that started an illegal war against an independent democratic nation AND sabotage against critical infrastructure in several NATO nations. History proves that if you let evil grow it WILL grow. POOtin must be stopped and POOtin and Russia may not get one single inch of land nor any other benefits from starting such insane aggression.
It's way beyond time NATO stepped up. Putin just acts with impunity. Pathetic. Mr Hodges spot on as usual.
100% ✅
Ben Hodges, why don't you run a seat in the senate... you could have been better if you were there to share your thoughts and insights and make better laws in the senate....
how did the world treat piracy? the same should apply to this sort of vandalism on an industrial scale.
Why would NATO tell you what they do in response to Putins agressions?
This guy. Wow!
We in west lose a golden momentum in the spring of 2022 when Russian Army was in chaos.
We already slept in 2014 when russia took crimea ; it was the mistake by the west to think they coud change a kgb agent mind in a gentle buissnes partners mind .
In Russia it is said, even in skyscrapers NATO members use stairs only. To avois escalation.
Thank you for pointing out that there is no escalation as long as international law is followed. Russia wants to stand above the law, or dictate new ones.
6:42 This is insane, if any ship sailing with oil from Russia through the National waters of Denmark, that EU (and Nato) country should withhold the ship from getting through its waters. Wtf is going on isnt there sanctions in place for this. Same goes for Londongrad all Russian property whatever kind and size should be taken by authorities and sold off to non-Russians, and non-Islamists at highest bidder. And then the money can go to the purchase of armory for the Ukranians.