Nice! Thanks - about the rotation stuff, it would really help if while you are talking, you have at least a basic text shown somewhere with what you're saying, i.e. 1) BoJ, 2) WoA, etc.
Thanks for the updated video! I have been playing around with Templar since the buffs and definitely have noticed a slight dps increase compared to Herald, but still fairly close. Glad to see two hero talents that are both useable
I found avenging wrath to be 5-6% better in AOE if you gear for it correctly with rings mainly and 1-2% worse on ST. This depends on the gear where mastery becomes slightly less valuable with regular wings. Doing every key on 12 currently. It is now better than divine storm build, other than on mist of tirna where divine storm gets higher overall because of ideal packs and 2 target cleave boss.
A very comprehensive overview, thanks :) Templar sims kind of the same for me. Single target is a bit higher than herald, multi target a bit lower. That is probably the case because I lack items with crit on them. Even witch enchant and gem change I can barely make it to 24%. Time to farm some gear I guess :D The ease of herald and its relative independence on how the tank pulls seems to me really valueable for unpractised groups and pugs in particular though.
Curious on your thoughts on the Crit wings vs Crusade? I have been running this and killing it in keys. Close to 2M overall and usually around 900k-1M at the end of boss fights. The synergy with the increased crit chance and emperian hammers is awesome. Also easier to play and not worry about crusade stacks. Just somthing to think about
so the logic answer is crit wings is better for templar but you lose a lot of multiplicative haste from combining crusade with the 15% templar bonus so in the end if you play crusade templar right you get more casts and more chances to crit, while if you go just crit wings you get less actions but with a higher crit chance eventually the haste will overtake the linear crit scaling
@@LightbladeGaming Ahh that makes sense. I just hate the "build up to 10 stacks first" part of crusade but sounds like it is better. Anyways, great content!
From warcraft logs I see many top ret players still going mostly (not all) Herald for M+, while Templar is taken by almost everyone in Raids, I'll have to try both in M+ to decide, but at least Herald in M+ has same stats priority of Templar in raiding, so if sims are good i'll remain Herald for M+ and just swap Templar for raiding
I think ppl are still adapting templar brings a lot of extra stuff aside from damage to m+, yes herald heals but preventing damage is a lot more important in keys since dying is such a harsh punishment now with the 15s timer
It definitely doesn't feel like it's that much better if better at all than Herald.. more nuance and situationally, if you're in a m+ or raid and mobs are split up (which often does happen), herald allows you position yourself where the dawnlight beams cut through those mobs that are more a far. Conversely, templar aoe is heavily reliant on mobs being almost on top of each other. I'm still trying Templar, buffs, but like I mentioned. It doesn't feel like an upgrade to Herald.
Nice video ty, but for some reason 2 dawnthread lining emlishment together aren't functioning right i just recrafted those on my wrist and feet and removed the main handed one(darkmoon sigil) but im only getting 756 crit when both equiped!
Ive noticed it aswell what i do is try to move fast as soon as i throw the hammer kinda trying to cancel the animation, because you can throw spells as soon as you press the button its only the animation thats delayed
I play mm hunt every expansion. But this one i cant do more then 1.4mln overall in m+ so i decided to give up on it. I was wondering what alt to play and i chose retri pala. Never played pala before... Yestarday i did necrotic wake +7 and i did 1.6mln overall just like that with 610itl. Pala is not only easy to play but really strong.
How did you figure all this out. I’m a fairly new player and this knowledge bomb blew my mind. It’s hard to imagine even getting to a place where I’m using half this knowledge lmao!!
Anybody experiencing GCD slowness for 1-1.5 secons after hitting the hammer of light ? It feels the game is slowly starting from 10 to back to 60 fps - but the fps counter stays stable - no fps/movement issues but GCD is like walking in tar - whit concrete boots =O
That is not correct. The Suns Avatar and Dawnlight is target capped while Empyrian hammers are not and will shred on big pulls if you know how to utilize the StH procc. This why Templar wins in sims on big target numbers.
Strange that two hero talent trees play almost identical in terms of rotation. Yes the bonuses are different but the way you play changes very little. I would expect to have more difference in rotation per hero talent tree.
For the most part should work on the same as herald did there is a case of swaping to divine arbiter instead of searing light but a lot of what helped herald also help templar now aswell
@@Templar1337-d9e yea theyre definitely good overall but i do not agree with anybody that takes light of justice over swift justice. ive been thinking this since the expansion started anytime i saw that choice in someone's talents. swift justice is just better
i don't get why alchemical power is better, than the mastery flask, since if the AP flask gives you vers and reduces crit and mastery it's considerably worse then a little bit less mastery all the time without downsides 🤷.
in raids it doesnt really matter the stats that you have as long as it gives the most they are very close in value, but in M+ this changes so mastery and crit become a lot stronger and you need the consistency rather then just random x stat
I know right? if feels the logic choice, but the thing is multiplicative haste kicks in with crusade+ the 15% haste buff from templar and whatever haste % you have on a very consistant basis so we get more casts in therefore more chances to crit compared to just playing with 20% crit wings with lower amount of spells thrown
Single target is a lot better for templar, while aoe herald can pull ahead in high target pulls 7+ stuff however in the current way keys are played rarely there are those type of pulls without a lot of risk involved, also boss damage and prio damage is just too imporatant to pass since tyranical is always here and theres very annoying caster mobs that you want to get rid of fast
@@LightbladeGaming Thanks for the answer m8,funny thing is i do a little bit more prio(single target) dmg with Divine storm Herald,but lose in the Aoe to Templar.
Nice! Thanks - about the rotation stuff, it would really help if while you are talking, you have at least a basic text shown somewhere with what you're saying, i.e. 1) BoJ, 2) WoA, etc.
Ill fix it for the next guide thx for the headsup
@@LightbladeGaming you're welcome, keep up the great work
And GCD history WA!
I have been playing Templar the whole time...buff was nice!
Thanks for the updated video! I have been playing around with Templar since the buffs and definitely have noticed a slight dps increase compared to Herald, but still fairly close. Glad to see two hero talents that are both useable
It does require a bit of positioning of trash by the tank but once thats done the aoe is a lot stronger then normal herald
I found avenging wrath to be 5-6% better in AOE if you gear for it correctly with rings mainly and 1-2% worse on ST. This depends on the gear where mastery becomes slightly less valuable with regular wings. Doing every key on 12 currently. It is now better than divine storm build, other than on mist of tirna where divine storm gets higher overall because of ideal packs and 2 target cleave boss.
A very comprehensive overview, thanks :)
Templar sims kind of the same for me. Single target is a bit higher than herald, multi target a bit lower. That is probably the case because I lack items with crit on them. Even witch enchant and gem change I can barely make it to 24%.
Time to farm some gear I guess :D
The ease of herald and its relative independence on how the tank pulls seems to me really valueable for unpractised groups and pugs in particular though.
Curious on your thoughts on the Crit wings vs Crusade? I have been running this and killing it in keys. Close to 2M overall and usually around 900k-1M at the end of boss fights. The synergy with the increased crit chance and emperian hammers is awesome. Also easier to play and not worry about crusade stacks. Just somthing to think about
so the logic answer is crit wings is better for templar but you lose a lot of multiplicative haste from combining crusade with the 15% templar bonus so in the end if you play crusade templar right you get more casts and more chances to crit, while if you go just crit wings you get less actions but with a higher crit chance eventually the haste will overtake the linear crit scaling
@@LightbladeGaming Ahh that makes sense. I just hate the "build up to 10 stacks first" part of crusade but sounds like it is better. Anyways, great content!
From warcraft logs I see many top ret players still going mostly (not all) Herald for M+, while Templar is taken by almost everyone in Raids, I'll have to try both in M+ to decide, but at least Herald in M+ has same stats priority of Templar in raiding, so if sims are good i'll remain Herald for M+ and just swap Templar for raiding
I think ppl are still adapting templar brings a lot of extra stuff aside from damage to m+, yes herald heals but preventing damage is a lot more important in keys since dying is such a harsh punishment now with the 15s timer
Maybe the top players are playing other classes since the switch and they might still just have top rank 😜
amazing as always lad! lets see how much it takes ultill Blizz nerf us, for now lets enjoy the power of templar!
great video as always. but I want to suggest to you if you could you a pointer tracker when hover over the abilities?!
Will do for next video
It definitely doesn't feel like it's that much better if better at all than Herald.. more nuance and situationally, if you're in a m+ or raid and mobs are split up (which often does happen), herald allows you position yourself where the dawnlight beams cut through those mobs that are more a far. Conversely, templar aoe is heavily reliant on mobs being almost on top of each other. I'm still trying Templar, buffs, but like I mentioned. It doesn't feel like an upgrade to Herald.
It is a bit trash position dependant, kicking casters so they run in is vital for its damage but the defensive value is i think too great to pass up
Nice video ty, but for some reason 2 dawnthread lining emlishment together aren't functioning right i just recrafted those on my wrist and feet and removed the main handed one(darkmoon sigil) but im only getting 756 crit when both equiped!
Not sure its a bug or they dont stack but i calculate them 4 times and when i equiped them its giving me 756 crit only not penalty btw
Blizz said they fixed it havent really had any problems with them
And here I've been runing Templar from the start because o liked it. 😂
is there any way to improve the way it feels to press HoL? i mean unlike other spell the feeling is awful sluggish and slow
It actually feels awful
Ive noticed it aswell what i do is try to move fast as soon as i throw the hammer kinda trying to cancel the animation, because you can throw spells as soon as you press the button its only the animation thats delayed
I play mm hunt every expansion. But this one i cant do more then 1.4mln overall in m+ so i decided to give up on it. I was wondering what alt to play and i chose retri pala. Never played pala before... Yestarday i did necrotic wake +7 and i did 1.6mln overall just like that with 610itl. Pala is not only easy to play but really strong.
How did you figure all this out. I’m a fairly new player and this knowledge bomb blew my mind. It’s hard to imagine even getting to a place where I’m using half this knowledge lmao!!
Thanks for this! Curious what’s your io at ?
2651 currently i should have all 11s done by the end of this week, its been going great mostly 2 chesting them
@@LightbladeGaming nice!! im 2703 myself right now. retrinidas . love your guides brother
What a great video! Nice work
Thx for the support
Where does the Judgement spell fall in the rotation for AoE?
Throw it on cooldown to buff the shake the heavens hammers
Which would be the raid opener?
divine toll > BoJ > ES+trinket+pot > WoA > Big Hammer proceed with prio rotation, and yes it feels weird overcapping 6-7holy power at the start.
How much minimum crit % are you targeting for aoe situations/M+?
So its going to be depending on your stats for me sims tell me around 32%
Anybody experiencing GCD slowness for 1-1.5 secons after hitting the hammer of light ? It feels the game is slowly starting from 10 to back to 60 fps - but the fps counter stays stable - no fps/movement issues but GCD is like walking in tar - whit concrete boots =O
YES, I've tried everything to fix it
Yeah it feels off, i think its the animation that takes a bit too long to happen
The GCD for Hammer of Light is not hasted for some reason, hence why it feels off as all the other GCDs we press are.
My god - i mean if thats not a BUG i dont know WHAT IS 😂😂 - thank you all for confirming that im not alone with this issue 🙏😁😁
I’m finding Herald is still quite a bit stronger on dungeons with big pulls and Templar is stronger on smaller pulls like Grim Batol and Threads.
This is also a correct finding
That is not correct. The Suns Avatar and Dawnlight is target capped while Empyrian hammers are not and will shred on big pulls if you know how to utilize the StH procc. This why Templar wins in sims on big target numbers.
Waited for this before switching haha
Strange that two hero talent trees play almost identical in terms of rotation. Yes the bonuses are different but the way you play changes very little. I would expect to have more difference in rotation per hero talent tree.
lightblade neeeever dissapoints!
Thx for the support man
Well the best builds for Templar are still being crafted. I can already tell your talents are unoptimized.
For the most part should work on the same as herald did there is a case of swaping to divine arbiter instead of searing light but a lot of what helped herald also help templar now aswell
His builds are optimal. The Divine arbiter got nerfed into oblivion and Searing Light is now a no brainer in multi target scenario.
@@Templar1337-d9e yea theyre definitely good overall but i do not agree with anybody that takes light of justice over swift justice. ive been thinking this since the expansion started anytime i saw that choice in someone's talents. swift justice is just better
i don't get why alchemical power is better, than the mastery flask, since if the AP flask gives you vers and reduces crit and mastery it's considerably worse then a little bit less mastery all the time without downsides 🤷.
in raids it doesnt really matter the stats that you have as long as it gives the most they are very close in value, but in M+ this changes so mastery and crit become a lot stronger and you need the consistency rather then just random x stat
@@LightbladeGaming but if you calculate the stat from AP and take away both small stats, isn't it the same numerical value bottomline?
hey, what is your mog?
Its an old BFA Elite set from season 1 rated pvp, sadly its no longer available
616 Ret pally IO is 1990 can’t get into 9s rare to even get in 8s. Shit is ridiculous
You never need to be invited to your own key
2500 and 623 ret and i dont get invited half the time to 9s lmao
@@trxperfect1536 That’s ridiculous man. Absolutely crazy. I mean what’s the point of playing. Can’t do shit.
@@fortunewookiee5936 yea I guess I have to ask if people are going to leave if 1 person dies. Absolutely ridiculous
There's probably at least 5 or 6 other rets applying, all with higher gear and io than you.
Great video
Thx for the support im glad you liked it
U are my Legend !!!!!!!
Thx for the support it means a lot to me
imagine they nerf templar again i would cry. I love the defensiveness of Templar
Yeah its very tanky compared to herald lets hope no nerfs come
Ohhhhkay guys
why not crit wings
I know right? if feels the logic choice, but the thing is multiplicative haste kicks in with crusade+ the 15% haste buff from templar and whatever haste % you have on a very consistant basis so we get more casts in therefore more chances to crit compared to just playing with 20% crit wings with lower amount of spells thrown
O wow tested myself and aparently it doesn much better at aoe then herald, i think fast nerf is comming
It does better but things have to be very close to get the full aoe value lets hope no nerfs
How does it compare with Herald dmg% wise?
Single target is a lot better for templar, while aoe herald can pull ahead in high target pulls 7+ stuff however in the current way keys are played rarely there are those type of pulls without a lot of risk involved, also boss damage and prio damage is just too imporatant to pass since tyranical is always here and theres very annoying caster mobs that you want to get rid of fast
@@LightbladeGaming Thanks for the answer m8,funny thing is i do a little bit more prio(single target) dmg with Divine storm Herald,but lose in the Aoe to Templar.
Ret's well over do for a nerf its vastly overperforming
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