@@Tony.nf10 Putting aside whether or not Simulanka should be considered within or outside the borders of Teyvat, I will note that their glorious king both originated in and returned to Teyvat, where she still resides to this day.
Technically speaking, he did not. Like what Ronova said, the Curse of Immortality must stand. The concept of winning simply stems from how Capitano has finally achieved his long-awaited goal, which is to die and bring home the souls he has with him to peace. The situation about the Lord of the Night Kingdom was just a perfect opportunity
To stoke the flames of this theory, I'd like everyone to turn their eyes towards Phainon from Honkai Star Rail, the newest and a very blatant variant of Kevin Kaslana. Phainon is named after a sky god with strong ties to Phaeton, a name for the sun. He is also *covered* with imagery of suns.
20:00 I would be kinda hype if they made the primordial one or atleast “the king part” named Solomon like maybe Phanes is the primordial one as a whole and Solomon being “the king”
They could do it, but let's not forget that we already have a King Solomon, which is king Deshret, a lot of his character is based on Judaism and King Solomon specifically.
@@Nationalist166 That's not the case. It's the other way around in fact. Amun, Remus, Morax, Beelzebul, and all those other God-Kings and Demon Gods are supposed to mirror aspects of the Primordial One. In other words, Amun's parallels to Solomon with Nabu Malikata are more a reflection of Phanes. You will immediately notice this when you look at Raiden Ei's character and see how similar she was metaphorically during the Inazuma Chapter to how the Heavenly Principles govern Teyvat right now.
To further support your theory of Paimon of being a Kiana variant is that both Kiana and Paimon are gluttonous and will chow down on delicious food when they get the chance
I can't believe I've been confusing asmoday for ronova this whole time, alongside och-kan and waxaklahun ubah kah...the lore has expanded in ways my feeble brain cannot compute but happy 5.3 (and 2.0 for wuwa players soon) to everyone, and a happy new year! Last comment of 2024, on a great theory channel
I have a question here: if the Tsaritsa wants the Gnosis to resurrect the Third Descender and use their power, why go to such lengths? If the goal is simply to obtain the will to rival the world, wouldn't the Traveler, a living Descender, suffice? The Traveler is already capable of wielding all elemental powers, essentially acting as a "walking Gnosis." Instead of seeking the Third Descender, why not convince the Traveler to help by offering information about their sibling, or even resort to kidnapping? However, it seems like the Tsaritsa might need the Third Descender specifically, either because of unique abilities that only they possess or for personal reasons. After all, we know the Tsaritsa desires the Gnosis itself, not the elemental authority, as Neuvillette already holds the Hydro element's authority.
@@AndrewsMobs Yeah sure we are weak now but our sibling is strong right so we can get strong as well. We can gain our original power faster with Fatui help. Also they can experiment on us like "Wanderer". As a defender we have more "value" or "worth" than any other. From what we know the Tsaritsa is not in hurry.
@@AndrewsMobs That's true. When we think it in that then Idk how we are going to "Fight/Appose" the Heavenly principle and their shades at the end. I am assuming we are going take fight in that "War". Or are we going to talk-no-jitsu them?
I think “Peace” makes the most sense as the Tsaritsa’s ideal. It fits with Ice/Cryo as an element and is stated as her gift by Pierro in Lazzo. Plus her nation’s ideal being Peace would best justify her having squads of “diplomats” that are allowed to occupy the other nations. I also think it’s brilliant that those diplomats are called Fools to show that they defy Logic.
“So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unavoidable remember this: there's always madness… You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away… forever.” -Joker
Happy new year! 🎉 I see that you still hold true to the 4 shades being Kiana variant and 'the king' being Kevin variant. I wish we can see what Ronova looks like so we can confirm this... And unrelated note, looking forward if you ever make Amphoreus lore video since you love greek mythology. Love your videos so much, thank you for your hardwork in last year!
bruh, u can't just have blond hair and by an expy, Luocha is an expy of otto, NOT the traveller, we will lose the meaning of expy if we just throw it at anybody, expies are very specific and just bc someone may have simmilar themes does not mean they are an expy, both Blade and Acheron have themes of flowers of the dead, BUT THEY ARE NOT EXPIES
I don't even think PO is even in Teyvat rn "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come." so PO may have lost to the SWC and now Celestia is being run by a bunch of imposters, it certainly explains a lot of things.
10:03 Zhongli confirms that the tsaritsa’s ideal is Love when talking to a lady about her kites. It happened either in one of his story quests or in the archon quest. He says it WAS her ideal but she has since abandoned it.
"...justice flows like water on the surface, war rages like flame, as does which the the cryo archon once..." No. He doesn't really mention the ideal. But he does imply that something about her has changed. She had something which now she doesn't, or so.
@Zeke1460 No he never, Zhongli didn't state what her ideal was. Her ideal is IMPLIED to be love for various reasons but it hasn't been stated in game yet.
Happy New Year man! 🎉🎉🎉 Started watching your videos back in fall of 2023, still remember sitting in my university hall for an hour just to finish it in one go haha
thank you so much for the lore videos! it makes the game content more interesting than it really is in game 😂 was thinking how about the fatui infusing the seven gnosis on the traveller to be stronger against the war with celestia
Can we talk about the power move The Captain made if they gather the remains of the 3rd Descender & bring it to Natlan The Captain now fused with the Night Kingdom can extract that sealed soul from the remains and Resurrect him
I don't think the Tsaritsa's ideal is love, just because in Neuvillette's voice line about the meaning of trials he said that Egeria hoped to connect everyone by love, and her successor by law. Since Fontaine is now known as the nation of justice, it's possible it used to be the nation of unity or love at one point.
thanks for your hard work! I'm desperate to know your thoughts on if/how the moon sisters were usurped, as I've been pulling my hair trying to untangle the relationship between the moons, the angels, the dragons, and what all celestia has stolen/repurposed/recycled. happy new year!
you know how you sait that phanes dindt go trough mitosis it actually kindas makes sense to call it meiosis like an egg cell since whent that hapens there is one egg cell that is usefull and 3 others wich canntot be used to reproduce but idk the numbers dont end up that well unless we count phanes as a shade
I think it has been mentioned that Tsaritsas love transformed into determination after the Cataclysm I think Venti says something to that affect as well
You know after what you said, there is some possibility that paimon is actually the shade of life transformed. Asmodai still being the shade of space. Thats my newest tinfoil theory for 2025. Given her personality, embracing of foodstuffs, treasure seeking, seelie like guidance paradigms. The angels being an creation of one or more of the shades also makes a lot of sense. That way we have angels of death, angels of life, angels of space and angels of time. All having been transformed by the second who came's grievous attack on the primordial one's dynasty. Also given power levels and what can overide what in teyvat, the shades were not transformed or changed from what we have learnt so the transformative action on the seelies was done by something only AT the same power level as a shade, not above them.
I like your idea but at the same time, it feels odd for the Shade of Life to be with the Traveler. Paimon can't really be Istaroth since both have difference Demon Names... It's hard to tell. She might be the Shade of Life.
there is no king of heaven, but now they will be, but is obvious that tsaritsa wants to be that god king and she wants to use the gnosis to become a descender like Rene but Aether is the true descender
what do you think about childe being a possible vessel for the descender the tsaritsa is trying to create? i think rene's note lends strong credence to the og ajax being the third descender, and between childe's given name, his boss text declaring he will be the one to overturn the world (which is phrased in a very prophecy-like way imo), and his extreme loyalty to the tsaritsa, if i were her, he would be an attractive candidate to turn into an ultimate weapon via the power of his namesake's remains.
this has nothing to do with the topic of the video but I just wanna say I've been watching your videos for 2 years now and I'm glad you are letting more of your personality shine through and it has certainly made the video more enjoyable
With all the references to chess in the game, I wonder if Traveler, a clear pawn, can make it to the opposing side of the board by resonating with all elements and getting "kinged".
Gotta say I've been pretty split in the factions of Dragons/ Mortals/ Celestia, but after hearing your thoughts on The Primordial One and the Shades (Potentially) being variants of Kiana I might have to fully be on Celestia's side then I'm too biased when it comes to Kiana LOL
The reason you think that is purely based on overall player base perception. We actually have no reason to believe "Love" is her ideal. Virtue makes much more sense given the context described in the timestamp you provided.
@@tycopsyche Quote exactly what Dainsleif says, because he sure as hell does not confirm Bronya as the 'God of Love'. The Tsaritsa is literally labelled Bronya in the game files but her ideal is still unknown.
@@NatureWatcher343 In the Travail trailer, when Dainsleif outlines each act, the writers placed each god's ideal within the first sentence or two. In order, it goes: Freedom, Contracts, Eternity, Wisdom, Justice, War, and Love with no love left for her people.
@@tycopsyche Yeah, except with those other ones he actually confirms the Ideal. When it comes to the Tsaritsa, Dain isn't saying she is the God of Love, he is simply saying she had no love for her people. You did not even provide the quote because when you saw it I bet you realized that you were wrong.
Hi hello, so i wanted to add a theory of mine that might prove the "kaslana" potential for the primordial one. So in Enkanomiya we learned about this theory of the androgenous possible primordial one called Phanes/Fanes back in 2.4. See, the meaning of Phanes as a deity of light is "to bring light" in the same way the deity was born from the egg of the abyss and brought light to the universe. Fast forward to a few years later we get the start of version 3.0 in HSR in Amphoreus, featuring MANY variants of the flame-chaser arc of HI3rd. One of these variants was Phainon, closely resembling Kevin. Now in the same version we get confirmation from the nameless recollection "as I've written" that his name ISN'T phainon. What supports this theory is both the meaning of his given title as the "Deliverer" and his name. "Phainon" most likely derives from the greek word "phaenon" which is closely associated with "shining" or "bright". Connecting the dots u can simply put that he is the delieverer of brightness, of light. That's all❤
I won't be surprised if this goes down similar to how Nezarec was resurrected in Destiny 2, except that the descender being resurrected will go berserk we have to stop it.
if we are leaning heavily towards a bronya variant/expy tsaritsa then she'll most likely be a type of angel or seele based solely one her theme 'cyberangel' of HI3 and 'angel of sin' from Houkai Gakuen 2 and it would be even more crazy if the lyrics of the song can be the basis of her story
Are we not gonna mention the fact that in the beta version in Childe's vision story the name Tsaritsa isn't even mentioned and instead he refers to the cryo archon as BRONYA?!
Yo hear me out crazy theory since the Tsaritsa is the Cryo Archon known for love what if her true love was the third descender it would really elevate the story and make it seem her beef with celestia is personal asf 😅
Primordial one is none other than old KeBin! if you check his final form, he's eerily similar to abyss lectors/heralds/Baptist (they seem as smaller versions of him)
Honestly if the solar king and lunar queen thing turns out to be true, I will be all for it. I just really hope they make the full PO truly androgynous (And no, fucking Araya from GGZ is not androgynous. She is as cute anime girl, waifu, and neckbeard-bait as they come).
For some reason I'm not really into 3rd descender resurrection plan, (probably likely according to the people, but I just never really consider it to be in that way) clearly because there's Natlan and its theme. Actually you know what, it is likely, but I have a completely different concept for its ressurection, all I'm saying is Tsaritsa definitely had been cooking so well and had it for so long that it becames cold. Pierro seeing Tsaritsa after his king/sages foolishly almost obliterating Teyvat is totally for a reason. And the fact that, for any reason, Cryo characters' burst image having chess pieces around it (allegedly gnoses but don't look like the ones that Archons have) compared to the other elements burst that's basically just an indifferent expression of their elements, we can say that she's 'just' collecting the gnoses but, is it? 🤔Or as people say, it might be related to the shattered halberd. Which is actually, ok-, I used to think that Divine Halberds are Descenders (the way in the book it also fell off like a meteor which reminds me of the travelers) which fits again but, I might have things so specific in mind how it would work out but maybe, not rly in the way that it would be about this one resurrection (of the 3rd Decender), but is it definitely related to the 'resurrection'? Yes.
Also, I always think that the descenders after PO were coming from, PO themselves 😶(or 'made' similarly like them, from who knows) (technically could be from whoever this 'god king' is) Because: 1. Judging by PO's attitude towards them 2. Ok, how do I put it, the fact that it was a 'war of vengeance' and I kinda try to suggest that our traveler, who's now known as 'chosen of dragons', that has 'draconic' powers, might not be just 'the fourth' in this case... But actually idk if i want to play into that necessarily, But, when you compared contramundi to Nibelung and PO in Remuria quest (which is rly clever), I actually have similar concept but with Boethius. So maybe these guys were 'friends' before, but their covenants not exactly turned out like what they had planned, because of unexpected cause, that most of them in a form of betrayals (or misunderstanding). And.. and now I'm thinking about contract, and- Actually wanted to add something, that I think it was kinda 'needed' for other descenders to 'break' the world made by the first bc, reasons. I forgot if i have something to quote or not from the game so i can't rly explain it rn
Fyi If you read my last theory I left for you on your last video. Here is another one for you. The Goddess of Life was known as Selene the Goddess of the Flowering Moons. She devided herself into three parts, One is now dead the shattered moon, the second died but cloned themselves and that is Nehida, and lastly the Third is still in Celestia as the last operator. They are all based on The Kiana clone Theresa, who has the weapon selens Elegy in HI3rd. Lastly along those lines Tribbie gave this all away in the Starrails newest video that outlines Tyvat greek of Amphereus
It's all fine but it does not explain why the Descenders are in this world at all and not why the Fatui needs them either. Why are they interested in Teyvat at all
Aether and Lumine showed up by mistake (as far as we know), PO invaded the Dragons, Second Who Came had beef with the PO. The only mysterious one is the Third.
@@ShirouE But I understand that but that is not the story they are going to go for. Lumine did not just accidentally wonjder into Khaenri'ah. Something pulled them into that world something about heaven and hell and is the reason why the archons have demon god names. But I don't fully understand how everything ties together. As far as I understand the siblings are connected to dragons because dragons are stars in chinese mythology and Lumine and Aether are called fallen stars/descenders. But they must have fallen from somewhere and it should be connected to the Gnosis I think Arlecchino is supposed to be represented by the "Hell" version because her name is Cinder of two worlds and her deformed paris also look like demonic influences she could be the reset button and born with that curse for that reason. It looks like she has primogem symbol eyes that has been crossed out possibly as a punishment for what her descendants did during the Crimson Moon Dynasty
@@alexanderericson8628 I'll have to go back and look for direct text but weren't the twins summoned by Khaenriah? They "responded to the summoning". Based on the info we've gotten, my personal theory is that King Irmin was trying to summon descenders that would help maybe overthrow Celestia (or something else of that magnitude). They had an entire orphanage for people that were not from Teyvat after all.
@@wiseathena97 My interpretation is that Teyvat responds to the siblings world the same way Simulanka does to Teyvat, and I think that is what Alice essentially wants to show
actually a lot of players at least those who know more abt honkaiverse than js hsr and genshin call the same characters but in difrnet universe variants, like Luocha is variant of Otto and we call expies characters that js looks similar but dont have anything more connected to eachother on cosmologic lvl loke variants have
The term "expies" implies that the similarity is only caused by out of universe reasons, when Welt explained that similar people with similar fates in different worlds are a common occurrence. It's some kind of law of physics, not just "Raidens sell so we make more of them ($v$)".
I’m gonna laugh if after the Third Descender is Revived they decide NOT to help the Fatui and instead join forces with the Fourth Descender or make a Counter Proposal that uniquely appeals to the Fourth Descender’s ideals…
I don't even play Honkai and I'd be super hype if the shades were all versions of Kiana. I don't see the Tsaritsa trying to bring back the 3rd Descender either, just because Shattered Halberd says the sword was split into 9 pieces and that feels too much like a gnosis reference. There would be 2 other pieces, making that goal impossible. Also, the weakened PO having a failsafe against the third descender makes sense.
Tree Of Life is not really about the Harbingers. Tree Of Life is the Order of Divine creation, that is opposite to Chaos (the Abyss) - the forces of destruction. Harbingers collect the gnosis pieces, 7 elements that altogether allow to rule the physical world. Simply put, aquiring the elements means the following: Anemo - to be free. Dendro & Electro - to understand (the present) reality. Geo & Cryo - to preserve (the past). Hydro & Pyro - to be able to change (the future). Pyro element is associated with the sephiroth Netzach (War / Victory). Since Tsaritsa already has all the pieces except the Pyro one, all she needs is the Victory on the battlefield now. After that she'll be able to act and create a new reality. Since Capitano decided to save Natlan and Mavuika instead of getting the gnosis, someone else will have to do it in Nod-Krai. Will the next try be successful? We'll see)
For a year now i really wanted 4 Shades to be Sirin, Sirin(KianaHoV), Durandal and actual Kiana, but i thought it was way too crazy because no matter how much Genshin likes honkai, there was no way Then they make fkin Phainon and yea u know what WHY NOT WHY NOT DO THAT COME AT ME I WILL COLELCT ALL THE CUTE KIANAS
10:40 They really did a small easter egg with recent birthday chibi art lol drawing Scaramouche in ponytail with iconic braid and purple bow. He really is giving off "isotope" (or whatever they're officially call it) vibes with this look. And if we add to all this the situation with Durin, and remember about Kurikara... 😆
I know its unrelated to the video but i just did the Citlali quest and I need to write something somwhere or I go crazy (no spoilers). Why do I feel like Citlali has something in common with Fuli the Remembrance (conceptually)
At 9:58, I say: " _Now if you ask me, I actually think she is the Goddess of either Grace or _*_Compassion,_*_ or possibly even Virtue since those ideals encompass love but also allow for one to make difficult..._ " Peruere, EN: I could sense she was a person of true sincerity and *compassion,* unlike all those pompous hypocrites with their posturing and rhetoric. Yet... It's difficult to say whether her *compassion* alone is enough to melt the ice and snow that permeates her land. Peruere, CN: 相較於偽善之人冠冕堂皇的話術，我可以從她身上感受到真正的「慈愛」。然而…這份慈愛能否融化遼闊的冰雪，沒有人清楚答案。 Peruere, EN (literal): Compared to the grandiose rhetoric of hypocrites, I can sense genuine *"Compassion"* from her. However... Whether this *compassion* can melt the vast expanse of ice and snow, no one knows the answer. Tartaglia: Her Royal Highness the Tsaritsa is actually a gentle soul. Too gentle, in fact, and that's why she had to harden herself. Likewise, she declared war against the whole world only because she dreams of peace. And because she made an enemy of the world, I had the chance to become acquainted with you. Scaramouche, CN: 人人都稱讚她的溫柔與慈愛，卻不知「愛」也是「罪」的一種。搞不好是補償心理作祟喔？ Scaramouche, EN (literal): Everyone praises her gentleness and *compassion,* yet they fail to realize that "love" can also be a form of "sin." Perhaps it’s just a manifestation of a compensatory mindset?
Happy new yea....... also cryo will bring an iceage to tayvat/a reset of the "motherboard" wich brings me to the the time bro/sis said "when you reach the end of your journey"
You ALL keep missing one glaring clue, and that is Dain......he is almost Certainly a Harbinger wearing the half Jester's Mask as well Secondly it is very plain to see that the Harbingers absolutely know that they HAVE TO DIE in this ( version of the world) in order to escape it and gain power in comparison to the Sustainers. Kazuha is on a path to help the Dragon Kind as well
I think the Tsaritsa was, if she isn't the og Cryo Archon, the wife of og Cryo Archon. I call him "The Tsar". She was the goddess of love until the Tsar was killed in the Cataclysm and her heart is broken.
I highly doubt that. There are way too many losers playing this game who will REFUSE to pull for a character if they are remotely in any romantic relationship with anyone other than the Traveler.
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What do you mean that there is no King in Teyvat? Are you *trying* to disrespect the Demoiselle and her glorious mustache?
Ngl this was funny
Technically that was simulanka not teyvat.
Lmao 😂😂
@@Tony.nf10 Putting aside whether or not Simulanka should be considered within or outside the borders of Teyvat, I will note that their glorious king both originated in and returned to Teyvat, where she still resides to this day.
@@Tony.nf10king deshret then
Yay, my first video in 2025, happy new year guys!!!
Last video in the big 24 for 💔
Is 2024 yet for me
HAPPY NEE YEAAARR
Tell us about the future. Is it bright or is it bleak?
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Its very loud
Capitano defeating Ronova with a parasox lends weight to this theory.
parasox
Polka dots?
Pair of Socks?
Technically speaking, he did not. Like what Ronova said, the Curse of Immortality must stand. The concept of winning simply stems from how Capitano has finally achieved his long-awaited goal, which is to die and bring home the souls he has with him to peace. The situation about the Lord of the Night Kingdom was just a perfect opportunity
Not he, lord of the night. If she doesn’t gave consent, he was could do nothing
To stoke the flames of this theory, I'd like everyone to turn their eyes towards Phainon from Honkai Star Rail, the newest and a very blatant variant of Kevin Kaslana.
Phainon is named after a sky god with strong ties to Phaeton, a name for the sun. He is also *covered* with imagery of suns.
I directly thought of him too
Phainon?
More like Phaioui, am I right?
Also, Phainon ~ Phanes. Gag me with a spoon.
20:00 I would be kinda hype if they made the primordial one or atleast “the king part” named Solomon like maybe Phanes is the primordial one as a whole and Solomon being “the king”
That's what I currently think tbh.
That would be cool
I hope Celestia's Ruler is called Solomon tbh
They could do it, but let's not forget that we already have a King Solomon, which is king Deshret, a lot of his character is based on Judaism and King Solomon specifically.
@@Nationalist166 That's not the case. It's the other way around in fact. Amun, Remus, Morax, Beelzebul, and all those other God-Kings and Demon Gods are supposed to mirror aspects of the Primordial One. In other words, Amun's parallels to Solomon with Nabu Malikata are more a reflection of Phanes. You will immediately notice this when you look at Raiden Ei's character and see how similar she was metaphorically during the Inazuma Chapter to how the Heavenly Principles govern Teyvat right now.
To further support your theory of Paimon of being a Kiana variant is that both Kiana and Paimon are gluttonous and will chow down on delicious food when they get the chance
So does that mean Asmoday is a foodie too?
@@EthHawke94 but who will cook for Asmoday? Raiden from Teyvat can't cook... now I understand why Kiana looks so unhappy
@@kawazuchi probably for herself?
Also they are dumb as hell
@@EthHawke94 a kiana variant cooking can't see it
I can't believe I've been confusing asmoday for ronova this whole time, alongside och-kan and waxaklahun ubah kah...the lore has expanded in ways my feeble brain cannot compute
but happy 5.3 (and 2.0 for wuwa players soon) to everyone, and a happy new year! Last comment of 2024, on a great theory channel
I have a question here:
if the Tsaritsa wants the Gnosis to resurrect the Third Descender and use their power, why go to such lengths? If the goal is simply to obtain the will to rival the world, wouldn't the Traveler, a living Descender, suffice? The Traveler is already capable of wielding all elemental powers, essentially acting as a "walking Gnosis." Instead of seeking the Third Descender, why not convince the Traveler to help by offering information about their sibling, or even resort to kidnapping?
However, it seems like the Tsaritsa might need the Third Descender specifically, either because of unique abilities that only they possess or for personal reasons. After all, we know the Tsaritsa desires the Gnosis itself, not the elemental authority, as Neuvillette already holds the Hydro element's authority.
Maybe because she doesn't acknowledge us as a significant threat/help, she thinks we are the weaker descenders, or something like that
Probably cause we too weak
@@AndrewsMobs Yeah sure we are weak now but our sibling is strong right so we can get strong as well. We can gain our original power faster with Fatui help. Also they can experiment on us like "Wanderer". As a defender we have more "value" or "worth" than any other. From what we know the Tsaritsa is not in hurry.
@@mustangbro2000 The travellers even at full strength got destroyed by a shade.
By descender standards we are weak.
@@AndrewsMobs That's true. When we think it in that then Idk how we are going to "Fight/Appose" the Heavenly principle and their shades at the end. I am assuming we are going take fight in that "War". Or are we going to talk-no-jitsu them?
I think “Peace” makes the most sense as the Tsaritsa’s ideal. It fits with Ice/Cryo as an element and is stated as her gift by Pierro in Lazzo. Plus her nation’s ideal being Peace would best justify her having squads of “diplomats” that are allowed to occupy the other nations.
I also think it’s brilliant that those diplomats are called Fools to show that they defy Logic.
Peace, fools. Ignorance is bliss.
22:31 Yo, bro had the whole squad ready at the end there 😂 (these are all the characters he uses in his videos btw).
“So when you find yourself locked onto an unpleasant train of thought, heading for the places in your past where the screaming is unavoidable remember this: there's always madness… You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened. You can lock them away… forever.”
-Joker
i believe the usurper king is either a Kevin (biological ancestor) or Otto (golden manipulator) variant
Or Void archive which is kind
Dotto is the foul it fits too well infact
Happy new year! 🎉
I see that you still hold true to the 4 shades being Kiana variant and 'the king' being Kevin variant. I wish we can see what Ronova looks like so we can confirm this...
And unrelated note, looking forward if you ever make Amphoreus lore video since you love greek mythology. Love your videos so much, thank you for your hardwork in last year!
Im really starting to believe the traveler and the abyss sibling are both exps/variants of otto apocalypse
I think so too
If they kill paimon we gonna get tous spoke the travler
bruh, u can't just have blond hair and by an expy, Luocha is an expy of otto, NOT the traveller, we will lose the meaning of expy if we just throw it at anybody, expies are very specific and just bc someone may have simmilar themes does not mean they are an expy, both Blade and Acheron have themes of flowers of the dead, BUT THEY ARE NOT EXPIES
@@Owudukan unless ayotto does it first
@@Owudukanno way, there is more likely Lumine is the final enemy and not Paimon.
thank you for releasing this just in time for maintenance boredom. happy new year!
I don't even think PO is even in Teyvat rn "The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come." so PO may have lost to the SWC and now Celestia is being run by a bunch of imposters, it certainly explains a lot of things.
Phanes (2nd) was/is just the one in charge while the creator (1st) is away?
@@ArchibaldVonSkip Phanes is the 1st
@@AndrewsMobsPO could have been betrayed by the sustainer if we compare remuria to celestia. MNFN also did a video about this like months ago
@@Pre4xes_ Sustainer is 100% shade of space/void
@@AndrewsMobs yeah we know that.
That Citlali summoning shrine at the end is so funny
Prodigal son is also Venti, according to the cecilia flowers
10:03 Zhongli confirms that the tsaritsa’s ideal is Love when talking to a lady about her kites. It happened either in one of his story quests or in the archon quest. He says it WAS her ideal but she has since abandoned it.
"...justice flows like water on the surface, war rages like flame, as does which the the cryo archon once..."
No. He doesn't really mention the ideal. But he does imply that something about her has changed. She had something which now she doesn't, or so.
@Zeke1460 No he never, Zhongli didn't state what her ideal was. Her ideal is IMPLIED to be love for various reasons but it hasn't been stated in game yet.
Plot-twist: the tsaritsa is just welt in his idol form.
I mean technically, he still possesses the power of reason right?
Are we gonna dare call her babushka???
hoyo please bring back idol welt I'm begging
Happy new year! Great video as always. I love the theory of Shades being Kiana. Very tangible!
Yippee!!
12 seconds comment... Damn
Happy New Year man! 🎉🎉🎉
Started watching your videos back in fall of 2023, still remember sitting in my university hall for an hour just to finish it in one go haha
thank you so much for the lore videos! it makes the game content more interesting than it really is in game 😂 was thinking how about the fatui infusing the seven gnosis on the traveller to be stronger against the war with celestia
Can we talk about the power move The Captain made if they gather the remains of the 3rd Descender & bring it to Natlan
The Captain now fused with the Night Kingdom can extract that sealed soul from the remains and Resurrect him
I don't think the Tsaritsa's ideal is love, just because in Neuvillette's voice line about the meaning of trials he said that Egeria hoped to connect everyone by love, and her successor by law. Since Fontaine is now known as the nation of justice, it's possible it used to be the nation of unity or love at one point.
3rd decender might be dragon king himself , since he came back with abyssal power, they might not consider himself as a dragon king
Into the Bronyaverse let's goooo
thanks for your hard work!
I'm desperate to know your thoughts on if/how the moon sisters were usurped, as I've been pulling my hair trying to untangle the relationship between the moons, the angels, the dragons, and what all celestia has stolen/repurposed/recycled. happy new year!
11:36 don't forgot that Yanagi, Acheron, and Raiden Shogun all share the same CN VA too
Life and death basically two different concepts, connected by the thing called logic , so yeah i can feel ur theory sumwhat reliable in future
The last video of the year from you. Here's to more videos in 2025!! Have enjoyed your theories and analyses ever since I discovered you.
1:45 alhaitam and his litle dance
you know how you sait that phanes dindt go trough mitosis it actually kindas makes sense to call it meiosis like an egg cell since whent that hapens there is one egg cell that is usefull and 3 others wich canntot be used to reproduce but idk the numbers dont end up that well unless we count phanes as a shade
also happy new years sorry this comment is written horribly english isnt my first language
I think it has been mentioned that Tsaritsas love transformed into determination after the Cataclysm I think Venti says something to that affect as well
The music choices in this video were particularly good.
BRO THE WAY YOU PRONOUNCE ZANDIQ IS SO CLEANNNNN
You know after what you said, there is some possibility that paimon is actually the shade of life transformed. Asmodai still being the shade of space. Thats my newest tinfoil theory for 2025.
Given her personality, embracing of foodstuffs, treasure seeking, seelie like guidance paradigms.
The angels being an creation of one or more of the shades also makes a lot of sense. That way we have angels of death, angels of life, angels of space and angels of time. All having been transformed by the second who came's grievous attack on the primordial one's dynasty.
Also given power levels and what can overide what in teyvat, the shades were not transformed or changed from what we have learnt so the transformative action on the seelies was done by something only AT the same power level as a shade, not above them.
I like your idea but at the same time, it feels odd for the Shade of Life to be with the Traveler. Paimon can't really be Istaroth since both have difference Demon Names... It's hard to tell. She might be the Shade of Life.
I thought this too I didn’t think anyone else would 😂, maybe that’s why they didn’t give shade of life demon name
Happy New Year as well! My mind is ready for your mindblowing lore and theories!
there is no king of heaven, but now they will be, but is obvious that tsaritsa wants to be that god king and she wants to use the gnosis to become a descender like Rene but Aether is the true descender
what do you think about childe being a possible vessel for the descender the tsaritsa is trying to create? i think rene's note lends strong credence to the og ajax being the third descender, and between childe's given name, his boss text declaring he will be the one to overturn the world (which is phrased in a very prophecy-like way imo), and his extreme loyalty to the tsaritsa, if i were her, he would be an attractive candidate to turn into an ultimate weapon via the power of his namesake's remains.
Why is he 11 though?
this has nothing to do with the topic of the video but I just wanna say I've been watching your videos for 2 years now and I'm glad you are letting more of your personality shine through and it has certainly made the video more enjoyable
Happy new year!
To another wonderful year for lore videos and theories!
Happy new year to the guy I listen to regularly just knowing his name for now. 🎉
With all the references to chess in the game, I wonder if Traveler, a clear pawn, can make it to the opposing side of the board by resonating with all elements and getting "kinged".
Bro chose the best time to upload 😂
Gotta say I've been pretty split in the factions of Dragons/ Mortals/ Celestia, but after hearing your thoughts on The Primordial One and the Shades (Potentially) being variants of Kiana I might have to fully be on Celestia's side then I'm too biased when it comes to Kiana LOL
Our beeeloved Sustainer of heavenly principal. and the PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS.
That christmas video sure was a gift
Super excited for 5.3. soooo soon and it's going to be insane
Traveler is destined to destroy Evil "Heavenly Principles" in Celestia
I hope we get to see a version Owl and Ana Schariac in Snezhnaya. Possibly together and happy.
CN tartaglia (owl):
@10:00 i believe the Tsaritsa is the goddess of love, still, but I think that love has changed into a sort of Vengeance.
The reason you think that is purely based on overall player base perception. We actually have no reason to believe "Love" is her ideal. Virtue makes much more sense given the context described in the timestamp you provided.
@@GitGud-y9b The reason I believe that is because Dainsleif called her the god of love at the very beginning.
@@tycopsyche Quote exactly what Dainsleif says, because he sure as hell does not confirm Bronya as the 'God of Love'.
The Tsaritsa is literally labelled Bronya in the game files but her ideal is still unknown.
@@NatureWatcher343 In the Travail trailer, when Dainsleif outlines each act, the writers placed each god's ideal within the first sentence or two. In order, it goes:
Freedom, Contracts, Eternity, Wisdom, Justice, War, and Love with no love left for her people.
@@tycopsyche Yeah, except with those other ones he actually confirms the Ideal. When it comes to the Tsaritsa, Dain isn't saying she is the God of Love, he is simply saying she had no love for her people. You did not even provide the quote because when you saw it I bet you realized that you were wrong.
Hi hello, so i wanted to add a theory of mine that might prove the "kaslana" potential for the primordial one.
So in Enkanomiya we learned about this theory of the androgenous possible primordial one called Phanes/Fanes back in 2.4. See, the meaning of Phanes as a deity of light is "to bring light" in the same way the deity was born from the egg of the abyss and brought light to the universe. Fast forward to a few years later we get the start of version 3.0 in HSR in Amphoreus, featuring MANY variants of the flame-chaser arc of HI3rd. One of these variants was Phainon, closely resembling Kevin. Now in the same version we get confirmation from the nameless recollection "as I've written" that his name ISN'T phainon. What supports this theory is both the meaning of his given title as the "Deliverer" and his name. "Phainon" most likely derives from the greek word "phaenon" which is closely associated with "shining" or "bright". Connecting the dots u can simply put that he is the delieverer of brightness, of light.
That's all❤
I won't be surprised if this goes down similar to how Nezarec was resurrected in Destiny 2, except that the descender being resurrected will go berserk we have to stop it.
if we are leaning heavily towards a bronya variant/expy tsaritsa then she'll most likely be a type of angel or seele based solely one her theme 'cyberangel' of HI3 and 'angel of sin' from Houkai Gakuen 2 and it would be even more crazy if the lyrics of the song can be the basis of her story
Starting the year off with some peak
Are we not gonna mention the fact that in the beta version in Childe's vision story the name Tsaritsa isn't even mentioned and instead he refers to the cryo archon as BRONYA?!
when the Traveler and Tsaritsa think they won but then Kevin gets out of his giant corpse and says "Come, things I've been carrying on my shoulder" 💀
Yo hear me out crazy theory since the Tsaritsa is the Cryo Archon known for love what if her true love was the third descender it would really elevate the story and make it seem her beef with celestia is personal asf 😅
Primordial one is none other than old KeBin! if you check his final form, he's eerily similar to abyss lectors/heralds/Baptist (they seem as smaller versions of him)
Honestly if the solar king and lunar queen thing turns out to be true, I will be all for it. I just really hope they make the full PO truly androgynous (And no, fucking Araya from GGZ is not androgynous. She is as cute anime girl, waifu, and neckbeard-bait as they come).
For some reason I'm not really into 3rd descender resurrection plan, (probably likely according to the people, but I just never really consider it to be in that way) clearly because there's Natlan and its theme.
Actually you know what, it is likely, but I have a completely different concept for its ressurection, all I'm saying is Tsaritsa definitely had been cooking so well and had it for so long that it becames cold. Pierro seeing Tsaritsa after his king/sages foolishly almost obliterating Teyvat is totally for a reason. And the fact that, for any reason, Cryo characters' burst image having chess pieces around it (allegedly gnoses but don't look like the ones that Archons have) compared to the other elements burst that's basically just an indifferent expression of their elements, we can say that she's 'just' collecting the gnoses but, is it? 🤔Or as people say, it might be related to the shattered halberd.
Which is actually, ok-, I used to think that Divine Halberds are Descenders (the way in the book it also fell off like a meteor which reminds me of the travelers) which fits again but, I might have things so specific in mind how it would work out but maybe, not rly in the way that it would be about this one resurrection (of the 3rd Decender), but is it definitely related to the 'resurrection'? Yes.
Also, I always think that the descenders after PO were coming from, PO themselves 😶(or 'made' similarly like them, from who knows) (technically could be from whoever this 'god king' is)
Because:
1. Judging by PO's attitude towards them
2. Ok, how do I put it, the fact that it was a 'war of vengeance' and I kinda try to suggest that our traveler, who's now known as 'chosen of dragons', that has 'draconic' powers, might not be just 'the fourth' in this case... But actually idk if i want to play into that necessarily,
But, when you compared contramundi to Nibelung and PO in Remuria quest (which is rly clever), I actually have similar concept but with Boethius. So maybe these guys were 'friends' before, but their covenants not exactly turned out like what they had planned, because of unexpected cause, that most of them in a form of betrayals (or misunderstanding). And.. and now I'm thinking about contract, and-
Actually wanted to add something, that I think it was kinda 'needed' for other descenders to 'break' the world made by the first bc, reasons. I forgot if i have something to quote or not from the game so i can't rly explain it rn
Fyi If you read my last theory I left for you on your last video. Here is another one for you. The Goddess of Life was known as Selene the Goddess of the Flowering Moons. She devided herself into three parts, One is now dead the shattered moon, the second died but cloned themselves and that is Nehida, and lastly the Third is still in Celestia as the last operator. They are all based on The Kiana clone Theresa, who has the weapon selens Elegy in HI3rd. Lastly along those lines Tribbie gave this all away in the Starrails newest video that outlines Tyvat greek of Amphereus
I remember four guards: Phenes, Asmodeus, Kayn and Paimon. Maybe this is true four descender
Happy New Year 🎉
It's all fine but it does not explain why the Descenders are in this world at all and not why the Fatui needs them either. Why are they interested in Teyvat at all
Aether and Lumine showed up by mistake (as far as we know), PO invaded the Dragons, Second Who Came had beef with the PO. The only mysterious one is the Third.
@@ShirouE But I understand that but that is not the story they are going to go for. Lumine did not just accidentally wonjder into Khaenri'ah. Something pulled them into that world something about heaven and hell and is the reason why the archons have demon god names. But I don't fully understand how everything ties together.
As far as I understand the siblings are connected to dragons because dragons are stars in chinese mythology and Lumine and Aether are called fallen stars/descenders. But they must have fallen from somewhere and it should be connected to the Gnosis
I think Arlecchino is supposed to be represented by the "Hell" version because her name is Cinder of two worlds and her deformed paris also look like demonic influences she could be the reset button and born with that curse for that reason. It looks like she has primogem symbol eyes that has been crossed out possibly as a punishment for what her descendants did during the Crimson Moon Dynasty
@@alexanderericson8628 I'll have to go back and look for direct text but weren't the twins summoned by Khaenriah? They "responded to the summoning". Based on the info we've gotten, my personal theory is that King Irmin was trying to summon descenders that would help maybe overthrow Celestia (or something else of that magnitude). They had an entire orphanage for people that were not from Teyvat after all.
@@wiseathena97 My interpretation is that Teyvat responds to the siblings world the same way Simulanka does to Teyvat, and I think that is what Alice essentially wants to show
Wdym they showed up by mistake? They were summoned here
actually a lot of players at least those who know more abt honkaiverse than js hsr and genshin call the same characters but in difrnet universe variants, like Luocha is variant of Otto and we call expies characters that js looks similar but dont have anything more connected to eachother on cosmologic lvl loke variants have
The term "expies" implies that the similarity is only caused by out of universe reasons, when Welt explained that similar people with similar fates in different worlds are a common occurrence. It's some kind of law of physics, not just "Raidens sell so we make more of them ($v$)".
Watch Otto (Ayato) destroy the imaginary tree (irminsul) in patch 6.8
I wonder it D*otto*re is also supposed to be an Otto variant.
@@captaindanger13neither are Otto’s variants lol
-Kallen- Rukkhadevata, live.
- Ayato (Otto)
@@MiniFatRat thank you, the misinformtaion this video spread is crazy
@@fr0ck360 NPCs: who the fuk is that???
I’m gonna laugh if after the Third Descender is Revived they decide NOT to help the Fatui and instead join forces with the Fourth Descender or make a Counter Proposal that uniquely appeals to the Fourth Descender’s ideals…
Imagine, that would be so funny. I NEED that to happen
I don't even play Honkai and I'd be super hype if the shades were all versions of Kiana. I don't see the Tsaritsa trying to bring back the 3rd Descender either, just because Shattered Halberd says the sword was split into 9 pieces and that feels too much like a gnosis reference. There would be 2 other pieces, making that goal impossible. Also, the weakened PO having a failsafe against the third descender makes sense.
All Herrscher's/Shades are Shadows of the Finality/Primordial One
Happy new year! 🎊🎊🎊
Happy New Year everyone. Good luck with everything you plan to do.
Question so what about the Kabbalah Tree of Life and how the Harbingers match each piece of the formula?
Tree Of Life is not really about the Harbingers. Tree Of Life is the Order of Divine creation, that is opposite to Chaos (the Abyss) - the forces of destruction.
Harbingers collect the gnosis pieces, 7 elements that altogether allow to rule the physical world. Simply put, aquiring the elements means the following:
Anemo - to be free.
Dendro & Electro - to understand (the present) reality.
Geo & Cryo - to preserve (the past).
Hydro & Pyro - to be able to change (the future).
Pyro element is associated with the sephiroth Netzach (War / Victory).
Since Tsaritsa already has all the pieces except the Pyro one, all she needs is the Victory on the battlefield now.
After that she'll be able to act and create a new reality.
Since Capitano decided to save Natlan and Mavuika instead of getting the gnosis, someone else will have to do it in Nod-Krai.
Will the next try be successful? We'll see)
Variation is even the canonicly more acurate term in lore
For a year now i really wanted 4 Shades to be Sirin, Sirin(KianaHoV), Durandal and actual Kiana, but i thought it was way too crazy because no matter how much Genshin likes honkai, there was no way
Then they make fkin Phainon and yea u know what WHY NOT
WHY NOT DO THAT
COME AT ME I WILL COLELCT ALL THE CUTE KIANAS
Happy New Year!
10:40 They really did a small easter egg with recent birthday chibi art lol drawing Scaramouche in ponytail with iconic braid and purple bow. He really is giving off "isotope" (or whatever they're officially call it) vibes with this look. And if we add to all this the situation with Durin, and remember about Kurikara... 😆
20:43 u need to go see how one of them looks like in the new achon quest + capitano is him
I know its unrelated to the video but i just did the Citlali quest and I need to write something somwhere or I go crazy (no spoilers). Why do I feel like Citlali has something in common with Fuli the Remembrance (conceptually)
Bro saw what Star rail Kevin is called as 😬
You deserve more subs :)
My last videa of 2024! See you all next year hehe
childe in his voicelines says her ideal is love so does arlecchino
At 9:58, I say: " _Now if you ask me, I actually think she is the Goddess of either Grace or _*_Compassion,_*_ or possibly even Virtue since those ideals encompass love but also allow for one to make difficult..._ "
Peruere, EN: I could sense she was a person of true sincerity and *compassion,* unlike all those pompous hypocrites with their posturing and rhetoric. Yet... It's difficult to say whether her *compassion* alone is enough to melt the ice and snow that permeates her land.
Peruere, CN: 相較於偽善之人冠冕堂皇的話術，我可以從她身上感受到真正的「慈愛」。然而…這份慈愛能否融化遼闊的冰雪，沒有人清楚答案。
Peruere, EN (literal): Compared to the grandiose rhetoric of hypocrites, I can sense genuine *"Compassion"* from her. However... Whether this *compassion* can melt the vast expanse of ice and snow, no one knows the answer.
Tartaglia: Her Royal Highness the Tsaritsa is actually a gentle soul. Too gentle, in fact, and that's why she had to harden herself. Likewise, she declared war against the whole world only because she dreams of peace. And because she made an enemy of the world, I had the chance to become acquainted with you.
Scaramouche, CN: 人人都稱讚她的溫柔與慈愛，卻不知「愛」也是「罪」的一種。搞不好是補償心理作祟喔？
Scaramouche, EN (literal): Everyone praises her gentleness and *compassion,* yet they fail to realize that "love" can also be a form of "sin." Perhaps it’s just a manifestation of a compensatory mindset?
Happy new yea....... also cryo will bring an iceage to tayvat/a reset of the "motherboard" wich brings me to the the time bro/sis said "when you reach the end of your journey"
You ALL keep missing one glaring clue, and that is Dain......he is almost Certainly a Harbinger wearing the half Jester's Mask as well
Secondly it is very plain to see that the Harbingers absolutely know that they HAVE TO DIE in this ( version of the world) in order to escape it and gain power in comparison to the Sustainers.
Kazuha is on a path to help the Dragon Kind as well
Comparing the harbingers to the 12 disciples instantly brought one question to my mind
Who is Judas?
As for Paimon...
She's looks more like the Genshin version of Elysia (HI3) and March7 (HSR).
The only thing that Paimon is lacking so far is a bow...)
Happy new year 🎉🎉🎉2025
Would be crazy if the King of logic was a Male Bronya, but looking at amphoreus, it will probably be Kevin alter.
my theory is the 3rd descender is tsaritsas lover.
As always well cooked 👌
Tsaritsa is just Bronya if she was ruthless
Happy new year! Personally I also very much believe that the demiurge is meant to be a variant of kevin!
Wait... This is the first video i watched in 2025! 🎉🎉
Happy new year everyone ❤
Happy new year everyone.
Happy New Year everybody
I'll watch this again after the AQ
Great video to end 2024.
I think the Tsaritsa was, if she isn't the og Cryo Archon, the wife of og Cryo Archon. I call him "The Tsar". She was the goddess of love until the Tsar was killed in the Cataclysm and her heart is broken.
I highly doubt that. There are way too many losers playing this game who will REFUSE to pull for a character if they are remotely in any romantic relationship with anyone other than the Traveler.
see you next year!