I have two Brooks B17 leather saddles. My magenta 6MR came with the copper version saddle. Both saddles were comfortable right from the start. Leather is renewable. Plastic is not renewable. I respect your vegan views. Oh, I'm the Canadian version of Barefoot Mick. My nickname is Mick. I known for going barefoot mostly in the wilderness. Cold water is the best after a long ride. Water helps reduce inflammation from extended effort. I like the way you shoot directly from the lips. You are direct, honest and not a phoney man.
Mick Lessard yes, I respect everyone choosing their own path in life. We all have views and I respect other views(kind of a live and let live philosophy). Yeah, that cold water felt great. I almost did not want to come out. The bottoms for the lake had hard jagged rocks which hurt my bare feet.😬
Brooks saddles are amazing, I've got a non leather saddle on my vintage Raleigh bike it's the original 50 yo saddle. It's still in good condition and despite it being cream in colour there's no discoloration.
Great video, love the quality of your productions. My Brompton came with a Brooks B17 fitted (Cambium not then available) which has served very well for six years. Also have a 40 year old B17 on my Moulton. Incidentally, I wish we had such excellent cycle tracks in my area of the UK. Looking forward to the next video.
congratulate you Brian, another nice video, I am glad that you continue to publish interesting things and beautiful views, greetings and take care 😊👍☘️
Great to see a new video Brian, great as usual thanks . Im enjoying my Brompton wide saddle as of now but have an extra Brooks laying around that i might try at some point.
Same here with the saddle. Commuting to work and back with the brompton saddle was great, but over 12-15 miles my butt and my lower back hurt like hell! I love my Cambium C17 carved and I have no more issues with my butt or my back. Brian, I found your channel 2 or 3 days before and I love the style etc. Greetings from Berlin and stay healthy!
Saddles, yeah, that is a tricky one. I've had two Brooks saddles--after broken in, 500 miles minimum--they were/are fairly comfortable. The most comfortable saddle I'm using right now is the 'Lata'. Get this--it is bought on the Walmart site. About $23. I'm not kidding, it is thee-most-comfortable-saddle ever used. It's heavy but sporty looking. I have two but I'm buying more.
I switched out the original saddle of my Brompton for the same reasons. I have chosen the carved all weather version of the C15 and I am very happy with it. This black saddle looks perfect on my Black Edition Brompton.
Good to see you again Brian, hello from England! I'm a C17 convert, I have them on both of my Bromptons. The shape of the C17 suits me better than the C13, 15 or 19. I got the first one almost 3 years, they do wear but the only time I've frayed the edge is when the bike has fallen over. I trim off the frayed strands with a sharp blade holding it taught with a pair of tweezers and it's fine again. For a time I noticed that I was getting a bit of wear on my shorts near the top of the inside of the leg. I figured out it was the pentaclip bolt rubbing so I remounted the saddle rails on the lower rail mounts of the pentaclip - it means most of the pentaclip including the bolt is hidden up inside the saddle. To adjust the hex bolt I have to flex one of the saddle wings up a little but there's no more wear on my shorts.
As a Dane I sought a new saddle for my Brompton, and found some notes about a lack of quality from the latest Brooks saddles, so I extended my search to other brands also. And in an Internet sport shop in Spain (Which is still inside the E.U. and with no, absurd obstacles for trading internally), I found a new Selle San Marco Royal (Italian Brand Selle actually now also owns Brooks!) for seemingly reasonable discount, which I ordered. I used Selle Italia on my racing bikes, when somewhat younger.
Brian, I love your ride videos - and glad you like the Cambium, I have a new B17 which was comfortable from the get-go. It's my second B17 - the first was when I was a teenager on my touring bike (nearly 50 years ago!) The Cambium needs no treatment AFAIK - leather needs treating every 6-12 months. BTW great drone video! All the best, Rob
I have been riding the Brooks B17 since I bought my Brompton that is almost 3 years ago now. The saddle still looks like new and still very comfortable. I have been knocking out 70+ miles rides on this saddle straight out from the shop and its never been a problem no butt pain. Brian buy it.
Brian, nice to see you "back in the saddle." Bought my bike at Clever Cycles in Portland, OR. Came with the standard Brooks leather saddle. It took me 6-9 months to get used to it. But, true to the claims of Brooks fans, it contours to your body and before you know it, it comes to fit perfectly. Keep up the good work.-Steve
Sounds a great idea to be able to test-ride a saddle. Indeed, anatomy rules and what suits one may not suit others. Fine adjustments to position and angle can make noticeable differences and as you say, where you sit on the saddle. I find the angle determines the natural sitting place quite a bit. Once I have the “perfect” position, I take key measurements, I also use the “surface level” app on my phone to tell me an angle I have set - used in what ever way is recordable and repeatable, the actual angle of anything is immaterial :-) Cold water - a great soother for rejuvenating tired muscles and feet, used this trick a lot when mountain hiking. I admire your appetite for long rides - 45 miles is my early morning maximum on my Brompton so far, but I do have aspirations for more - making it a full day out rather that a before breakfast session😃
I have a Brooks B17 on both my Bromptons. They leave the standard Brompton saddle behind. I'll take your word on the Cambium but it's awful tough to leave behind that which you already know is good.
Excellent. Looking 4ward to those kit videos. Please include some cold weather kit. I do a regular exercise ride very early morning to avoid traffic, people, and it’s beginning to get cold here in Sunny Oxenhope.
I have several cold weather vids in the works. I have a cold weather riding tips video, cold weather gear video, and cold weather touring videos coming.
i bike unfolded Once again, thanks for the reply. I know the weather can be extreme in Denver. Any advice you offer will be more than ample for conditions here in Oxenhope.
I have both the B17 leather and the C15 carved The leather saddle takes about 1000 hours to get comfortable where as the Cambium is comfy straight out of the Box. The Cambium saddle is made in Italy under licence, not in the UK.
Hi velosapien - I have 4 leather B17’s on 4 bikes, two are standard, 2 are narrow. My experience has been that whilst very hard “out of the box”, they have nevertheless been comfortable right away for my anatomy. Comfort then improves even further through use though. The B17 standard on my Brompton now has 3,000 miles under the bum (around 250 hours) and comfort is something I can take for granted. There are occasional off days, but I put that down to other factors independent of the saddle itself as I make no changes to the bike setup itself and my ride types and distances are consistent. I have not tried a Cambium, but it sounds a great choice for proper all-weather/conditions riding - leather has some drawbacks in that area, preferring not to get wet. My last B17 was shipped to me direct from Italy - I had not realised Brooks were made there until that, as I had simply bought from Evans Cycles in UK and assumed (as such an old brand) that they were made in UK.
Wow, I did not know that. Thanks. I like the brooks cambium, but I have not decided to get one yet. I am wanting to try other saddles before I settle on one.
Suggestion re breaking in, personalizing Brooks leather saddles: Like new leather boots, put them on after a thorough soaking in drinking quality water (no chlorine) and wear them til they’re dry. Likewise the saddles. They will be comfortably molded to you.
I like watching your reviews because I don't agree with you usually so it makes my decisions better, because we have different points of view and that's great. But I think that we are going to agree with this one! My brompton saddle was really uncomfortable for me, I don't want to spend a lot of money but I want it to last and also I'm vegan so... I'll maybe buy a brooks cambium saddle short time!
Really enjoy your content and the way you artistically put your videos together! As far as obtaining a Brooks saddle, the way I obtained one at a GREAT price was through ePay (you know who I’m actually saying.). I just did a search, bided my time, and eventually scored a carved C17. Saved me a considerable amount over new.
Awesome. Yeah, the price can be sort of off putting. I Normally would not spend over 60 to 70 dollars on a saddle, but if it works to keep my bum from being sore after many hours of riding, I will consider it a worth while investment.
Trial and error. I just keep adjusting until i get the saddle position comfortable. Then I take a sharpie marker and mark the saddle railings so if I have to take it off for some reason I can put it back into the same position bypassing all the adjustments.
Brooks Cambium saddles are made in Italy, in a factory of Selle Royal, which company now owns Brooks. The leather saddles are still MADE in England, but, like the rubber Cambiums, they are distributed outside UK by Selle Royal of Italy.
Hi Brian, I’m using Brooks Cambium C17 carved (black). The rivets are black too and go well with black edition brompton like yours. Take a look at Spurcycle bell which a better replacement for the standard bell that Brompton provided.
Yes, I have seen the Brooks saddles with the black rivets and if I buy one, That is the one I will get. Thanks for the bell suggestion, the Brompton bell is hard for people to hear.
Haha (Great minds think alike) My Cambium for my Brompton arrives any minute and my chosen bike shop (Southdowns Bikes has a 30 day return policy if you find a saddle uncomfortable, that is customer service which gets my loyalty.) - I went for the carved all-weather (black rubber) version with the hole in the middle. Originally for Ladies but now finding favour with men. The science behind the Brooks saddle is interesting. They say that a soft Gel (or just soft) saddle touches in too many places and so the contact area is too much, hence discomfort. Their saddles are like hammocks. So many people swear by them (and never about them) I've decided to run with the pack this time. Stay safe Brian - it's still a bit crazy out there. Vegan respect Brian..Greetings from S.Coast UK.
I have had a Brooks c17 carved for approx 2.5 years.No problems no far with wear and tear and comfort is top draw for me.As with all saddles it's an individual thing but so far it's been the best saddle I've had in 30 + years of cycling.
Great to see you back in the saddle Brian, interesting views on the Cambium sir! I have a Green special order Brooks B17 with copper rivets and rails on my Brompton, which is very comfortable now. Disappointingly it has discoloured horribly and is a bit of an eyesore to me and my OCD now - Brooks have tried to say it is ‘normal’ for their coloured saddles to show some discolouration over time... 🤷🏼♂️🤢
That is the biggest reason why I am hesitating buying one. I know they discolor after a short time. Some people like this esthetic I however, do not. I like my stuff looking as new as possible for as long as possible.
I am going to be talking about the chubby trailer in an up coming video. I am going to be showing my long distance touring set up which will include the trailer.
Hi Brian, before making the final decision with Brooks saddles, I would recommend you to test Brooks C17 curved version if possible. This saddle is heavy, expensive but really good-looking, comfortable and reasonably soft. Also, the Brooks saddle has no hand support on its "nose" area (like Brompton one has), so you need to be more carefull in order not to tear down the cambium in that region. For that reason I have purchased the inexpensive bike carry handle from RockBros, it really helps when you need to carry unfolded bike with the bag installed.
Hmmm, good suggestion. I will see if I can get my hands on a carved saddle to try out. I thought about the handle you suggested, and will have to try one to find out whether I like it or not.
My question is, was the shadow in the drone shot done by a Mavic Air 2? Whatever, it did a very nice follow mode. I swapped out all my bike saddles to Brookes, after wondering why I could not ride so far as I did as a kid and realised that my first Dawes bike was fitted with a Brooks.
Hello Brian! Very good buy! Personally, on Sunday I did a 160Km ride to a countryside of the Province of Buenos Aires, with the stock Brompton saddle in its wide version, (which is the one that best suits my anatomy). Honestly, I was afraid of him, of the efficiency of the stock pedals, and of having chosen an S model (despite being very used to that position), and I'll tell you, it was all wonderful! I don't see a need to make any of the three changes. I was comfortable all day, maintaining an efficient but relaxed march of about 22Km / H, and on the return, zero pain or discomfort. 100% Happiness! : D (By the way, something that I did change before the trip, were the grips, for some Ergon GP1 Large)
Awesome, I am going to come ride in Buenos Aires one day.....Beautiful country. Yes, I love the S bar and as soon as I get this saddle situation figured out I will be at 1000% happiness myself.
@@ibikeunfolded Brian, look at this long term review ruclips.net/video/wGPglPs6IPQ/видео.html personally, I would lean more towards an Ergon ST Core Prime
Love your videos. Keep posting. Could you recommend a good bike computer and any other geer that is worth while investing in. I’m not currently a long distance rider due to the lack of time - although I’d like to get there one day. But I would like to know distance, speed, duration general facts etc of my rides. Appreciate the help. Love my new Brompton. It’s given me a stress relief during this Covid time of no tourism in Hawaii. Thanks.
Have you seen the C17 All weather version? It has an black Nylon top and is the cheapest C17 saddle. It should hold much better over time because of the Nylon top and it should rub less on your clothes. Highly recommended from me, I have two of them.
I am a short (5'6") fat (200lb) guy. For my commute I run a 2018 6-spd Brompton with S bars. I find the wide Brompton saddle more comfortable than the standard (even though they appear almost identical). For trips over 20 miles I prefer my road bike, a custom built "Dutch" style. The upright riding position means the saddle is critical. I bought a Brooks C19 cut-away ("carved") Cambium and found it way too hard. I added a Red Shift suspension seat post and the combination is just perfect. I also have a wide sprung Brooks leather saddle (B67) which is nearly as comfortable. I find leather is high maintenance though (treatment and adjustment) and the springs creak a little which annoys me. Cambium may not be "renewable" like leather but it is no worse than the tyres we all use. I believe the body material is vulcanised rubber. After 18 months use the Brooks Cambium gets a big up-vote from me.
Yes, I know people rave on the leather, but even if I were not vegan, which I am, I find the leather too much up keep for my liking. Thanks for the comment.
love the drone footage mate! though, I've got no idea how you control it! i also suffer a bit with the standard brompton saddle after around 20 miles but that was just in my normal shorts, at the age of 50 I've recently started using padded cycle shorts for the first time and boy oh boy! what a difference in regard to being pain free and increasing the amount of mileage I can do! if you dont wear padded shorts it might be worth you giving them a go first as they can be quite cheap and there are many options , personally I've found the gel ones better for comfort and heat dissipation PS I'd absolutely kill to have your mega smooth cycle paths! if you cycled where I live you'd really know what butt pain is:)
LOL, not every place around here is so smooth. Most of the recreational cycling paths are nice. Riding in the city......Well that’s something entirely different. I do have some padded bike shorts. I find that when I wear them for long periods they start to chaff as well. They are fine when I am riding, but when I get off the bike and walk around in them, that’s when they start to rub.
Hey Brian nice to see you. Been getting over whelmed with the crap YT gives me. So for about ten yrs i drove SAG for a 2 day ride. A lot of the old timers who had newer bikes. Had their 30yr old Brooks saddles on light bikes. They last forever.
Hey another good video! Two questions- 1) do you ride with padded shorts (I do but would like to get where I could live without them and not have pain and 2) was that Chatfield Resevoir ? I used to live just north of there.
I have padded under shorts. They are like underwear that are padded. I do not fancy the tight fitting bicycle shorts that leave it all hanging out. Not very flattering on me. The padded undershorts however, they give the same padding and you wear them under your regular shorts. Kind of the best of both worlds. I ride mostly without them. As soon as I discover a way to live a pain free bike life I will definitely share. Yes that is chatfield reservoir. I rode from down town denver.
Try " Fabric " saddles I have one,there's many models in the range,and they wont break the bank,I have seen in another video,that the cambium c15 does eventually sink in the middle to the point of you feeling the rails,I'm 6'.2" 98 kg,so I'm sure I would end up fraying that saddle,or stretching it to the point where I'm sitting into it,and I personally don't like the feeling of sitting into a saddle.
That’s what I am worried about as well. I am 6’1” and carry a lot of weight on my back. I have seen the fabric saddles, but never really heard anything about them. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
I do 50/80 mile rides monthly with a stock Brompton saddle I just wear cycling shorts under whatever I’m wearing on the ride! Cycling shorts and a helmet is the best investment you can make as a cyclist in my opinion.
Have Cambiun c17s on every bike. With the investment I’d say. I have the carved version on two bikes. All of them are good out of the box. The first cotton models did fray and the colour bleached. The latest all weather models are much more resilient and look like new after 2 years. No wear to shorts from any of them.
Great video but few and far between? Who helps you get all the great video? I guess someone is flying a drone... keep up the good work... just not so long in between videos...
Nobody helps me with the videos, I am a one man band. I was flying the drone while riding the brommie which is incredibly talented or stupid.😀 I am wanting to post every other day, or at least that is the plan, I am working that out as we speak. Sorry for the late post.
I am a vegan too, and I had a Brooks Cambium. Maybe I did something wrong, but it failed on me in a year. And when it was in use it did ate a lot of my pants. So your fear is right. But I heard they changed the design a little, but I am not sure.
Well, I was told they changed the design, but I am not fully sure if thats true or not. I have not done a long term review to see if those issues I was concerned about happen over a period of time. I just thought the saddle was comfortable in my initial impressions video.
Yeah, every Bum is different I am afraid. What works for one, may not work for another. This is why its nice to have a loyal bike shop at your disposal to try saddles and other items to see if they work.
I had mixed experiences with the C17. The C17 all-weather has been really good to me. I've installed one on my touring Brompton and cargobike. However, the original, lighter weight C17 (alloy back plate and hollow rails) is much firmer. I can spend the whole day sitting on a C17 all-weather, but 100km on the original one is really pushing it for me.
I think that after we die, worms will eat us. So I eat meat without remorse and enjoy riding the B67 leather saddle. Leather saddles require gentle care and are not suitable for very cold and very rainy weather, your saddle is more versatile and will last a long time. Nice buy.
Yeah, even if I were not vegan, I wouldnt go with the leather saddle.....Too much up keep. I would forget to take care of it and it would not do so well in all weather conditions.
I have two Brooks B17 leather saddles. My magenta 6MR came with the copper version saddle. Both saddles were comfortable right from the start. Leather is renewable. Plastic is not renewable. I respect your vegan views. Oh, I'm the Canadian version of Barefoot Mick. My nickname is Mick. I known for going barefoot mostly in the wilderness. Cold water is the best after a long ride. Water helps reduce inflammation from extended effort. I like the way you shoot directly from the lips. You are direct, honest and not a phoney man.
Mick Lessard yes, I respect everyone choosing their own path in life. We all have views and I respect other views(kind of a live and let live philosophy). Yeah, that cold water felt great. I almost did not want to come out. The bottoms for the lake had hard jagged rocks which hurt my bare feet.😬
@@ibikeunfolded Try Teva lightweight plain classic relatively inexpensive sandals for camp and water shoes?
Going back and rewatching all your videos… thanks again!
Brooks saddles are amazing, I've got a non leather saddle on my vintage Raleigh bike it's the original 50 yo saddle. It's still in good condition and despite it being cream in colour there's no discoloration.
Instant sub n' bell from this video 👍 impressive that you even considered getting your pants wet and did'nt get any damage from it! Hi from Denmark 👍
wow! thank you for that beautiful scenery and lake. Thank you for that information about the saddle.
You’re welcome😀👍
Great video, love the quality of your productions. My Brompton came with a Brooks B17 fitted (Cambium not then available) which has served very well for six years. Also have a 40 year old B17 on my Moulton.
Incidentally, I wish we had such excellent cycle tracks in my area of the UK. Looking forward to the next video.
I am wanting to get myself a Moulton, awesome bike. Yes, Brooks are nice saddles, but awful expensive.
congratulate you Brian, another nice video, I am glad that you continue to publish interesting things and beautiful views, greetings and take care 😊👍☘️
Thank you, I hope to produce much more riding videos. I am working on it. thank you for watching.
Great to see a new video Brian, great as usual thanks . Im enjoying my Brompton wide saddle as of now but have an extra Brooks laying around that i might try at some point.
My Brompton saddle works well for most situations, it’s just long distance riding/touring where I need something more comfortable.
I got one of those recently, but I got the model with a hole in it and it’s working well on my Brompton.
Same here with the saddle. Commuting to work and back with the brompton saddle was great, but over 12-15 miles my butt and my lower back hurt like hell! I love my Cambium C17 carved and I have no more issues with my butt or my back. Brian, I found your channel 2 or 3 days before and I love the style etc. Greetings from Berlin and stay healthy!
Yes, I would like to give the C15 carved a go and see how much better it is than the c15 not carved.
Missed your videos and exploits. love the way you time your music to the speed of the ride. Excellent drone footage. Thanks.
Thanks, I appreciate your watching the videos. I am working on a simpler set up so I can vlog more often. I think I have got things worked out.
Welcome back Brian,we missed you.
I would have never thought that it would be comfortable,just looking at it.
Great test drive,THANKS
thank you, I appreciate that. Thanks for sticking around. glad you are here.
i bike unfolded As long as you are around,so will I.
You sold me on the Brooks saddle. Thanks again Brian.
It is an awesome saddle, just try it first. All Bums are different.
Love your drone shots. 👍👍
Thanks 👍
Saddles, yeah, that is a tricky one. I've had two Brooks saddles--after broken in, 500 miles minimum--they were/are fairly comfortable. The most comfortable saddle I'm using right now is the 'Lata'. Get this--it is bought on the Walmart site. About $23. I'm not kidding, it is thee-most-comfortable-saddle ever used. It's heavy but sporty looking. I have two but I'm buying more.
I switched out the original saddle of my Brompton for the same reasons. I have chosen the carved all weather version of the C15 and I am very happy with it. This black saddle looks perfect on my Black Edition Brompton.
I should have tried the carved version. I might have to get my hands on one to review.
your edits are incredible
Thanks, you're too kind. They are not all that great.
Good to see you again Brian, hello from England! I'm a C17 convert, I have them on both of my Bromptons. The shape of the C17 suits me better than the C13, 15 or 19. I got the first one almost 3 years, they do wear but the only time I've frayed the edge is when the bike has fallen over. I trim off the frayed strands with a sharp blade holding it taught with a pair of tweezers and it's fine again. For a time I noticed that I was getting a bit of wear on my shorts near the top of the inside of the leg. I figured out it was the pentaclip bolt rubbing so I remounted the saddle rails on the lower rail mounts of the pentaclip - it means most of the pentaclip including the bolt is hidden up inside the saddle. To adjust the hex bolt I have to flex one of the saddle wings up a little but there's no more wear on my shorts.
Awesome, good to know. I am trying out many saddles before I finally settle on one. I must say the brooks is at the top of the list though.
As a Dane I sought a new saddle for my Brompton, and found some notes about a lack of quality from the latest Brooks saddles, so I extended my search to other brands also. And in an Internet sport shop in Spain (Which is still inside the E.U. and with no, absurd obstacles for trading internally), I found a new Selle San Marco Royal (Italian Brand Selle actually now also owns Brooks!) for seemingly reasonable discount, which I ordered. I used Selle Italia on my racing bikes, when somewhat younger.
Brian, I love your ride videos - and glad you like the Cambium, I have a new B17 which was comfortable from the get-go. It's my second B17 - the first was when I was a teenager on my touring bike (nearly 50 years ago!) The Cambium needs no treatment AFAIK - leather needs treating every 6-12 months. BTW great drone video! All the best, Rob
Thanks you, I appreciate you watching my videos. Yeah, they say the books b17 is the best saddle, but the cambium definitely comes in second.
I have been riding the Brooks B17 since I bought my Brompton that is almost 3 years ago now. The saddle still looks like new and still very comfortable. I have been knocking out 70+ miles rides on this saddle straight out from the shop and its never been a problem no butt pain. Brian buy it.
Thanks for the advise. I will probably get one....A black one though.
Such a real guy
Love that brown with the black
I have a brown one on my black black edition
Mine is gloss black tho I prefer your Matt black
Brian, nice to see you "back in the saddle." Bought my bike at Clever Cycles in Portland, OR. Came with the standard Brooks leather saddle. It took me 6-9 months to get used to it. But, true to the claims of Brooks fans, it contours to your body and before you know it, it comes to fit perfectly. Keep up the good work.-Steve
Thank you, I appreciate your watching the videos. Awesome stuff, glad you are enjoying your saddle.
You're a Professional with that Drone.
Thanks, it was hard to steer the Brompton and fly that think at the same time.
Sounds a great idea to be able to test-ride a saddle. Indeed, anatomy rules and what suits one may not suit others.
Fine adjustments to position and angle can make noticeable differences and as you say, where you sit on the saddle. I find the angle determines the natural sitting place quite a bit. Once I have the “perfect” position, I take key measurements, I also use the “surface level” app on my phone to tell me an angle I have set - used in what ever way is recordable and repeatable, the actual angle of anything is immaterial :-)
Cold water - a great soother for rejuvenating tired muscles and feet, used this trick a lot when mountain hiking.
I admire your appetite for long rides - 45 miles is my early morning maximum on my Brompton so far, but I do have aspirations for more - making it a full day out rather that a before breakfast session😃
Thanks, Yeah the cold water definately felt good after that ride.
I have a Brooks B17 on both my Bromptons. They leave the standard Brompton saddle behind. I'll take your word on the Cambium but it's awful tough to leave behind that which you already know is good.
I would not leave the b17 behind if it works for you. That is all that matters. If i were not vegan, I would probably get one myself.
Excellent. Looking 4ward to those kit videos. Please include some cold weather kit. I do a regular exercise ride very early morning to avoid traffic, people, and it’s beginning to get cold here in Sunny Oxenhope.
I have several cold weather vids in the works. I have a cold weather riding tips video, cold weather gear video, and cold weather touring videos coming.
i bike unfolded Once again, thanks for the reply. I know the weather can be extreme in Denver. Any advice you offer will be more than ample for conditions here in Oxenhope.
i use same on mine , brill seat, underrated & worth every penny
It’s a nice one!👍
I have both the B17 leather and the C15 carved
The leather saddle takes about 1000 hours to get comfortable where as the Cambium is comfy straight out of the Box.
The Cambium saddle is made in Italy under licence, not in the UK.
Hi velosapien - I have 4 leather B17’s on 4 bikes, two are standard, 2 are narrow. My experience has been that whilst very hard “out of the box”, they have nevertheless been comfortable right away for my anatomy. Comfort then improves even further through use though. The B17 standard on my Brompton now has 3,000 miles under the bum (around 250 hours) and comfort is something I can take for granted. There are occasional off days, but I put that down to other factors independent of the saddle itself as I make no changes to the bike setup itself and my ride types and distances are consistent.
I have not tried a Cambium, but it sounds a great choice for proper all-weather/conditions riding - leather has some drawbacks in that area, preferring not to get wet.
My last B17 was shipped to me direct from Italy - I had not realised Brooks were made there until that, as I had simply bought from Evans Cycles in UK and assumed (as such an old brand) that they were made in UK.
Wow, I did not know that. Thanks. I like the brooks cambium, but I have not decided to get one yet. I am wanting to try other saddles before I settle on one.
Suggestion re breaking in, personalizing Brooks leather saddles: Like new leather boots, put them on after a thorough soaking in drinking quality water (no chlorine) and wear them til they’re dry. Likewise the saddles. They will be comfortably molded to you.
I like watching your reviews because I don't agree with you usually so it makes my decisions better, because we have different points of view and that's great.
But I think that we are going to agree with this one! My brompton saddle was really uncomfortable for me, I don't want to spend a lot of money but I want it to last and also I'm vegan so... I'll maybe buy a brooks cambium saddle short time!
Hey Brian actually the brown seat looks good against the black. Stunning drone work your channel so deserves to be massive 🇬🇧👍
Really enjoy your content and the way you artistically put your videos together! As far as obtaining a Brooks saddle, the way I obtained one at a GREAT price was through ePay (you know who I’m actually saying.). I just did a search, bided my time, and eventually scored a carved C17. Saved me a considerable amount over new.
Awesome. Yeah, the price can be sort of off putting. I Normally would not spend over 60 to 70 dollars on a saddle, but if it works to keep my bum from being sore after many hours of riding, I will consider it a worth while investment.
Was waiting for this video to be made. Thanks Brian!! I think I'm gonna pkunk down the 160.
Awesome, I still have not decided myself. I am going to probably get a black one for my black Brompton.
Staying true to your values, yep you are the real deal. Do you have any tips & tricks for physically changing & adjusting your saddle?
Trial and error. I just keep adjusting until i get the saddle position comfortable. Then I take a sharpie marker and mark the saddle railings so if I have to take it off for some reason I can put it back into the same position bypassing all the adjustments.
This my my favorite saddle, though I use the c17
Brooks Cambium saddles are made in Italy, in a factory of Selle Royal, which company now owns Brooks.
The leather saddles are still MADE in England, but, like the rubber Cambiums, they are distributed outside UK by Selle Royal of Italy.
Some weird weather for your area next week. Maybe 90 degrees f on Monday but 40's on Tuesday with a risk of sleet or snow.
I know...Climatic weather changes are the norm around here.
Hi Brian, I’m using Brooks Cambium C17 carved (black). The rivets are black too and go well with black edition brompton like yours. Take a look at Spurcycle bell which a better replacement for the standard bell that Brompton provided.
Yes, I have seen the Brooks saddles with the black rivets and if I buy one, That is the one I will get. Thanks for the bell suggestion, the Brompton bell is hard for people to hear.
Great video Brian...
Thank you, I appreciate you.
Thank you, helpful review.
Hello Brian. I enjoyed watching the video. I like touring with bike. I just wanted to ask you about dragon poison death.whst do you mean by that ?
Haha (Great minds think alike) My Cambium for my Brompton arrives any minute and my chosen bike shop (Southdowns Bikes has a 30 day return policy if you find a saddle uncomfortable, that is customer service which gets my loyalty.) - I went for the carved all-weather (black rubber) version with the hole in the middle. Originally for Ladies but now finding favour with men. The science behind the Brooks saddle is interesting. They say that a soft Gel (or just soft) saddle touches in too many places and so the contact area is too much, hence discomfort. Their saddles are like hammocks. So many people swear by them (and never about them) I've decided to run with the pack this time. Stay safe Brian - it's still a bit crazy out there. Vegan respect Brian..Greetings from S.Coast UK.
I could not agree more. Thanks, and yes bike shop loyalty definately helps when wanting to try out a saddle for an extended period of time.
+1 for riding to and getting into the water.
LOL, I could not resist. I love the water.
@@ibikeunfolded Me too.😊
Brian, off topic but REI has Burley Trailers on sale !!!
Awesome. I bought my burley Travoy from REI. Too bad I did not get it on sale.
I have had a Brooks c17 carved for approx 2.5 years.No problems no far with wear and tear and comfort is top draw for me.As with all saddles it's an individual thing but so far it's been the best saddle I've had in 30 + years of cycling.
Brooks does make some awesome saddles.
They do corn leather saddles (Brooks).
Great to see you back in the saddle Brian, interesting views on the Cambium sir!
I have a Green special order Brooks B17 with copper rivets and rails on my Brompton, which is very comfortable now. Disappointingly it has discoloured horribly and is a bit of an eyesore to me and my OCD now - Brooks have tried to say it is ‘normal’ for their coloured saddles to show some discolouration over time... 🤷🏼♂️🤢
That is the biggest reason why I am hesitating buying one. I know they discolor after a short time. Some people like this esthetic I however, do not. I like my stuff looking as new as possible for as long as possible.
i bike unfolded I am with you on that one - I do not appreciate buying good and having it spoilt, especially high end stuff... 🤷🏼♂️🤢
Love your video mate. Next time review your radical design trailer please
I am going to be talking about the chubby trailer in an up coming video. I am going to be showing my long distance touring set up which will include the trailer.
@@ibikeunfolded looking forward to that mate☺. Take care. Keep inspiring people to use bike than car.
Hi Brian, before making the final decision with Brooks saddles, I would recommend you to test Brooks C17 curved version if possible. This saddle is heavy, expensive but really good-looking, comfortable and reasonably soft.
Also, the Brooks saddle has no hand support on its "nose" area (like Brompton one has), so you need to be more carefull in order not to tear down the cambium in that region. For that reason I have purchased the inexpensive bike carry handle from RockBros, it really helps when you need to carry unfolded bike with the bag installed.
Hmmm, good suggestion. I will see if I can get my hands on a carved saddle to try out. I thought about the handle you suggested, and will have to try one to find out whether I like it or not.
My question is, was the shadow in the drone shot done by a Mavic Air 2? Whatever, it did a very nice follow mode. I swapped out all my bike saddles to Brookes, after wondering why I could not ride so far as I did as a kid and realised that my first Dawes bike was fitted with a Brooks.
Yes, the drone was the Mavic air 2. It does have a good follow mode.
Hello Brian! Very good buy! Personally, on Sunday I did a 160Km ride to a countryside of the Province of Buenos Aires, with the stock Brompton saddle in its wide version, (which is the one that best suits my anatomy). Honestly, I was afraid of him, of the efficiency of the stock pedals, and of having chosen an S model (despite being very used to that position), and I'll tell you, it was all wonderful! I don't see a need to make any of the three changes. I was comfortable all day, maintaining an efficient but relaxed march of about 22Km / H, and on the return, zero pain or discomfort. 100% Happiness! : D (By the way, something that I did change before the trip, were the grips, for some Ergon GP1 Large)
Awesome, I am going to come ride in Buenos Aires one day.....Beautiful country. Yes, I love the S bar and as soon as I get this saddle situation figured out I will be at 1000% happiness myself.
@@ibikeunfolded When you like Brian, write to me privately and you have already resolved the stay with the guide here :)
@@ibikeunfolded Brian, look at this long term review ruclips.net/video/wGPglPs6IPQ/видео.html personally, I would lean more towards an Ergon ST Core Prime
Brooks have corn based sadles. 👌
I always buy lady sadles because i find them much more comforteble.
And even saddles.
Love your videos. Keep posting. Could you recommend a good bike computer and any other geer that is worth while investing in. I’m not currently a long distance rider due to the lack of time - although I’d like to get there one day. But I would like to know distance, speed, duration general facts etc of my rides. Appreciate the help. Love my new Brompton. It’s given me a stress relief during this Covid time of no tourism in Hawaii. Thanks.
I am going to be doing a video on my Bicycle computer/GPS soon. I would suggest Garmin and I will tell you why In the video coming up soon.
Have you seen the C17 All weather version? It has an black Nylon top and is the cheapest C17 saddle. It should hold much better over time because of the Nylon top and it should rub less on your clothes. Highly recommended from me, I have two of them.
Cool, I will check that out. I am working thorough several saddles before I settle on one. The Brooks is at the top of the list.
I am a short (5'6") fat (200lb) guy. For my commute I run a 2018 6-spd Brompton with S bars. I find the wide Brompton saddle more comfortable than the standard (even though they appear almost identical). For trips over 20 miles I prefer my road bike, a custom built "Dutch" style. The upright riding position means the saddle is critical. I bought a Brooks C19 cut-away ("carved") Cambium and found it way too hard. I added a Red Shift suspension seat post and the combination is just perfect. I also have a wide sprung Brooks leather saddle (B67) which is nearly as comfortable. I find leather is high maintenance though (treatment and adjustment) and the springs creak a little which annoys me. Cambium may not be "renewable" like leather but it is no worse than the tyres we all use. I believe the body material is vulcanised rubber. After 18 months use the Brooks Cambium gets a big up-vote from me.
Yes, I know people rave on the leather, but even if I were not vegan, which I am, I find the leather too much up keep for my liking. Thanks for the comment.
love the drone footage mate! though, I've got no idea how you control it! i also suffer a bit with the standard brompton saddle after around 20 miles but that was just in my normal shorts, at the age of 50 I've recently started using padded cycle shorts for the first time and boy oh boy! what a difference in regard to being pain free and increasing the amount of mileage I can do! if you dont wear padded shorts it might be worth you giving them a go first as they can be quite cheap and there are many options , personally I've found the gel ones better for comfort and heat dissipation PS I'd absolutely kill to have your mega smooth cycle paths! if you cycled where I live you'd really know what butt pain is:)
LOL, not every place around here is so smooth. Most of the recreational cycling paths are nice. Riding in the city......Well that’s something entirely different. I do have some padded bike shorts. I find that when I wear them for long periods they start to chaff as well. They are fine when I am riding, but when I get off the bike and walk around in them, that’s when they start to rub.
Great video man. I’m very curious how you mount you camera on your chest. Please make a video on how you do your filming while riding. Cheers!
Hey Brian nice to see you. Been getting over whelmed with the crap YT gives me. So for about ten yrs i drove SAG for a 2 day ride. A lot of the old timers who had newer bikes. Had their 30yr old Brooks saddles on light bikes. They last forever.
Yeah, so far I am liking the Brooks however, I would rather get one that fit my bikes color scheme.
Riding a bike and flying a drone at the same time… unbelievable!!!!
Did you come out of the water, go back in then walk back out towards the camera? Madness.
I use a 17 on my B and it suits me perfectly, much better than that pillow, the B came with
Hey Brother! Digging your shades. What brand?
Thanks, they are Rayban.
Hey another good video! Two questions- 1) do you ride with padded shorts (I do but would like to get where I could live without them and not have pain and 2) was that Chatfield Resevoir ? I used to live just north of there.
I have padded under shorts. They are like underwear that are padded. I do not fancy the tight fitting bicycle shorts that leave it all hanging out. Not very flattering on me. The padded undershorts however, they give the same padding and you wear them under your regular shorts. Kind of the best of both worlds. I ride mostly without them. As soon as I discover a way to live a pain free bike life I will definitely share. Yes that is chatfield reservoir. I rode from down town denver.
Waiting for your new brompton videos.
Try " Fabric " saddles I have one,there's many models in the range,and they wont break the bank,I have seen in another video,that the cambium c15 does eventually sink in the middle to the point of you feeling the rails,I'm 6'.2" 98 kg,so I'm sure I would end up fraying that saddle,or stretching it to the point where I'm sitting into it,and I personally don't like the feeling of sitting into a saddle.
That’s what I am worried about as well. I am 6’1” and carry a lot of weight on my back. I have seen the fabric saddles, but never really heard anything about them. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
I do 50/80 mile rides monthly with a stock Brompton saddle I just wear cycling shorts under whatever I’m wearing on the ride! Cycling shorts and a helmet is the best investment you can make as a cyclist in my opinion.
I agree 👍
Great bike trails and lake. Like to do that ride myself, where is it?
Raymond Richter I rode from my home in downtown Denver down to chatfield lake past Littleton Colorado
What's that lake you went to? I want to take my Brompton there. 🙂
Chatfield reservoir.
@@ibikeunfolded thank you!
How fast do you cruise at? You appear to smoke everyone else on the trails.
Have Cambiun c17s on every bike. With the investment I’d say. I have the carved version on two bikes. All of them are good out of the box.
The first cotton models did fray and the colour bleached. The latest all weather models are much more resilient and look like new after 2 years. No wear to shorts from any of them.
Thanks, good to know. I was worried about the wear.
May I know What phone holder is that? It looks cool.
I have no phone holder. I have a Garmin GPS. I think that is what you are referring to.
Where is that paradise you are riding at?
I live in Colorado.
Great video but few and far between? Who helps you get all the great video? I guess someone is flying a drone... keep up the good work... just not so long in between videos...
Nobody helps me with the videos, I am a one man band. I was flying the drone while riding the brommie which is incredibly talented or stupid.😀 I am wanting to post every other day, or at least that is the plan, I am working that out as we speak. Sorry for the late post.
i bike unfolded wow! Flying the drone and riding a bike at the same time... that’s awesome! Keep up the great work Brian!
I swapped mine out for a cambium - much better comfort for longer rides - just the right amount of flex.
I thought so.
I am a vegan too, and I had a Brooks Cambium. Maybe I did something wrong, but it failed on me in a year. And when it was in use it did ate a lot of my pants. So your fear is right. But I heard they changed the design a little, but I am not sure.
Well, I was told they changed the design, but I am not fully sure if thats true or not. I have not done a long term review to see if those issues I was concerned about happen over a period of time. I just thought the saddle was comfortable in my initial impressions video.
Can you explain what your neck tattoo says?
Bought the exact same brooks saddle and didn’t like it, changed it to sqlab and sqlab is clearly more comfortable than brooks.
Yeah, every Bum is different I am afraid. What works for one, may not work for another. This is why its nice to have a loyal bike shop at your disposal to try saddles and other items to see if they work.
From Kediri east Java Indonesia.
Hello, welcome.
And I suppose You haven't read: "The secret life of Plants"? I can imagine the pure terror felt by a field before being harwested by a giant machine!
I'm not vegan because I want to be.. I'm vegan because my GUT can't take most meats and dairy is definitely out.
Wow
Wear padded pants 😃👍
I have some, I use them on long rides.
Wow happy that you are vegan
Was he talking a piss in the lake????
Read the comments, m i the only one feeling painful to use a C17? :(
I had mixed experiences with the C17. The C17 all-weather has been really good to me. I've installed one on my touring Brompton and cargobike. However, the original, lighter weight C17 (alloy back plate and hollow rails) is much firmer. I can spend the whole day sitting on a C17 all-weather, but 100km on the original one is really pushing it for me.
B17 It's gonna wear out and wear your pants out on high mileage
I think that after we die, worms will eat us. So I eat meat without remorse and enjoy riding the B67 leather saddle. Leather saddles require gentle care and are not suitable for very cold and very rainy weather, your saddle is more versatile and will last a long time. Nice buy.
Yeah, even if I were not vegan, I wouldnt go with the leather saddle.....Too much up keep. I would forget to take care of it and it would not do so well in all weather conditions.
Vegans are now out dated and old news. Thanks for the review.
Out dated and old news......That’s the story of my life.