Limited Resources 735 - Murders at Karlov Manor Set Review: Commons and Uncommons
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2024
- This week on Limited Resources Marshall and Luis go over every single common and uncommon in Murders at Karlov Manor! Morph is back sort of! It looks like a 2/2 for 3 doesn’t cut it any more so they upgraded morphs a little bit, but the core of the mechanic is still here, and morph sets have been some of the best ones we’ve seen, will this set live up?
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Timestamps by Color:
Gold: 00:14:46
Blue: 01:31:00
Black: 02:24:37
Red: 03:03:36
Green: 03:44:22
White: 04:18:08
Artifacts and Lands: 04:42:45 
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I love the thumbnail. Luis is on the pulpit screaming about the inescapable maw of hell coming for those who do not repent, and marshall is watching you eat week old sushi
Luis going off about how the 4 mana Lotus Field card should not exist... and I agree 😅
😂
What?????
"Rope" on one of your suspected creatures effectively makes it unblockable. not sure how much it changes the eval but it is a combo that went unnoticed
I've found this interaction to be extremely strong so far. Pretty much demands removal and even then the Rope sticks around. Not a crazy bomb combo but certainly strong.
For those wondering about the “flavor” of the set, Graham & Kathleen from Loading Ready Run were part of the flavor text & card name team for the set.
Oh really, the flavor of the set is great for taylor swift fans. Get that normie ish from fantasy settings for Christ sake.
Garbage set from a morally and creatively bankrupt company. @@srenheidegger4417
Flavorwise, worst set ever. Feels like an Un-Set and introduces weirdly modern fashion and stuff like trains to Ravnica. Hate it.
NO FUN ALLOWED
I'm 1/3rd if the way so it might have been mentioned later, but a very nice thing about the split cards is that they can easily pay for collective evidence so there is a lot of synergy in this set with the mechanic.
Then you look at the cards that collect evidence and.. yeah.
@Tamiss the cards are fine. As they pointed out, the main issue is enabling it. It’s the same hurdle as why Delve was bad in Khans limited.
@@Mordalon because Collect Evidence 4 or 6 is a thing you are going to do only once in the game (except if you play a lot of two sided cards), maybe two times if the games reaches late turns, and the pay offs are... Not great.
I think it is the worst mechanic, except for the Green "tutor", the dragon and Izoni. Those are good/bomb cards, but the commons and uncommons are going to be "1/3 for two mana. Collect Evidence 6 to put two +1/+1 counters on this"
@@Controlqueen31 I played a bit yesterday, collect evidence is not super bad, you can't overload your deck with it, but you can definitely get extra value. The bite spell that was cheaper for evidence was amazing, big tempo swing on the cheap. I don't think it's gonna be a "good" mechanic, but most cards with it are gonna be quite effective if you can pay it on them.
@@Controlqueen31 4-6 MV is like 2-3 nonlands in your graveyard on average, and that's just with the 2-3 drops not the 6 drops that pay for it entirely on their own. We've had Escape and Delve which regularly eat through just as much if not more of that multiple times a game.
The joke with Innocent Bystander is that disguised creatures(2 power) don't leave behind clues.
whoaaaah nice!
@15:08 for first card
Goat
PIN THIS
the lords emissary
Thank u
Will they be doing a review of the rares of the set? I noticed there isn't a video for it yet *{::>_
Thanks guys! Listened to this whole thing, made some notes, and placed first at the lgs prerelease (I don’t win often) and I give you guys a ton of credit.
I think there's more collect evidence enablers than you guys think at early mana. The split cards all can be 2-3 mana for collect evidence 8-10 in 1 card. The land cycling common gives you 6 with just 1 card. I don't think you can collect evidence a ton, but the higher numbers are easier to enable than indicated here IMO.
Markovs at Karlov Manor looks really nice.
More like Murk-ovs
Markovs at murder mantred
Fingers crossed for a slower format, y'all 🤞
I doubt it unfortunately. Suspect as a mechanic skews things extremely aggressively and clues not requiring to be sacrificed means it being a slower mechanic doesn’t counteract this.
Additionally 3/5 colors have good 1 drops at common. Those being Thraben (novice) inspector, snarling gorehound, and rubblebelt maverick. This is in addition to the plenty of good 2 drops every color has.
Finally, disguise hurts removal by making it so using removal against 1-3 drop creatures will often net in a mana-loss. That means that just like in “Lost Caverns” it will likely be better to pick cheap, efficient creatures over removal.
I want to wrong, but having just played plenty of “Khan’s” flashback drafts and finding the format faster than I remember, I just can’t see this format as being slow.
i prefer fast ones
It better be slower if they expect us to disguise a bunch of 2/2s for 3... Morph and its variants would not have flown in LCI.
@@laboratorymaniac7324 agreed, still very skeptical on the idea that any of these 3 mana 2/2s will be playable in limited or standard
From what I´ve seen of LRRs PrePrerelease, it seems like any Boros combination is very strong and fast. Especcially if you have one of the card advantage rares that incentivise you to play cheap creatures and race to the finish.
really excited for Madness at Markov Mansion
When I heard wrong on Undercover Crocodelf and heard CrocoDolf. Emediatly got me thinking "holy shit, half crocodile, half Dolf Lundgren"
On Expose the Culprit, your best upside play is: in response to removal targeting a “morph”, and after op pays, you turn face up get a trigger. Then shuffle 2 or more creatures with unmorph triggers.
Basically a red ephemerate
You can't do that. You need to select all the targets at the same time, so you can't target a currently face-down creature with the second mode even if you plan to turn it face-up with the first.
Edit: Nevermind, the second mode doesn't target
That's a really cool use! Not to mention that you can get additional flip procs on your creatures with it, and often at a discounted cost because the flip-up cost is often a lot more expensive. Imagine casting this on something nasty like Greenbelt Radical, getting the proc for free, and then discounting the 2nd cost to 4 instead of 7; it seems like a build-around C+ to me.
Does anyone with rules expertise know if the ephemerate use still works with only one target?
One of the things I haven't seen mentioned is that this set follows the same rule for Khan's is that when you send your disguise creature into their disguise creature, you know that they'll at least trade/bounce up until they have 5 mana. Only after they have 6 open mana should you be worried about their creature just straight up eating yours
Really looking forward to this set. The mechanics seem fun to me. Thanks for the video (and the 734 previous videos) ❤
Exit Specialist AKA Man-O-Noir
Kind of hard to follow this set review. Several times, the relevant card was not shown on screen.
Going to my first ever pre-release this weekend! Wish me luck!
Oh you are going to need it with the play boosters changing sealed into freaking lottery...
Dont listen to this fool ^ good luck and have fun :)
Yea, so I placed 11 out of 32. .5 game off of top 8
PLEASE make the card images bigger / fill up the screen 🙏🏻
Trying to watch on the tv and we can’t read the cards 😢
Thank you guys for all the hard work on these set reviews
The dopamine I get when I see a new set review! Excited!
Where is the rares and mythics
Who could ask for more?
Marshall's experience shines through. Luis, good job, as always
How great to wake up and find this episode! Like Santa's coming
59:38 the cameras died from Marshall's horrible roots pun
I think they froze it in post to hide Luis' likely horrified reaction
Love these reviews. Thanks for doing them!
oh shiiiiit, it's finally here. Thank you LSV and Marshall for slogging through this lengthy review for me... Although I'm sure there's a part of you that enjoys it
Morph formats play out *so* great.. as long as you can afford to be playing 3-mana 2/2s. Here’s hoping.
I don't like them for exactly that reason (being too slow), but hopefully it works in this set
3:17:55 Cloak works like Manifest with ward 2, if a cloaked card is a creature then it can be turned face up for its mana cost but if that card has a disguise cost you can choose to use that instead so you could always use the cheaper cost, I don't know if you could use a morph cost to turned face it up from this state as well as well but I assume so. Expose the culprit can also save your creatures from targeted removal while also triggering a turn face up ability be cause of the odd way that it is worded, still pretty bad though
So you can turn cloaked octopus face up for 2 and if becomes 6/5?
Yes if you cast bubble smuggler for disguise cost of 3 you could then cast expose the culprit for 2 for a total cost of 5 for a 6/5 as the creature flipped. The disguise cost written on the card doesn't have to be paid.@@Pocccomaxa
@@Pocccomaxa Yes
@@Pocccomaxayep, that's why it's amazing with Vanifar
#freesimic
Looking like picking instant speed removal aggressively and then holding up mana for removal in the mid to late game is gonna be key in this format.
Feels like after this many sets they could figure out a system where they are actually looking at the card that's being shown on stream, so it's never desynced so frequently
And make them big enough to see on screen pls
Seriously. Was producer Jeff asleep for this? Or whomever's controlling the mouse? What they should do is just do it in post, which might take an extra hour or two, but greatly improves the video quality for thousands of people.
second that@@AB-sw4kb
every set review they miss a few cards on screen.@@AB-sw4kb
Love the shoutout to strixhaven in the sign off. It’s one of my favorite draft formats and pretty much the last one I played before taking a break from magic, and I’m super glad to see you guys are still trucking along to bolster my return with this sweet looking set. Hope it plays as good as it looks.
Expose the culprit allows you to get your face up trigger from a disguise or make your disguise creature trade well in combat. If the creature you turned face up survives, you can then turn it face down again. The thing is you get to shuffle it with any other face down creatures so that opponent doesn’t know which creature is which again. And some disguise creatures have a lower mana value than their disguise cost so you’re getting a discount on some of them later. It seems not great to me but I think it’s better than straight up F.
as always, thanks so much for the work
You can sacrifice one of the clue equipments in response to Magnetic Snuffler's ETB so that it gets the +1/+1 counter, you draw a card, and you get your equipment back :)
I think the line on Case of the Gorgons kiss is attack with a suspected creature, trade for one blocker finish the other and immediately solve it.
Especially since Rakdos suspect aggro seems to be the archetype there.
So what didn't seem to be mentioned for Caught Red-Handed is that it lets you see what your opponent's face-down creature is if you take it... that doesn't make the card a whole lot better but I think that's why it's costed and designed like it is.
Fun combo: Cloak Bubble Smuggler & you can turn it face up for 2 mana 😁
Just more reason to love the little cuttlefish!
The short story mentioned is Lamb to the Slaughter, by Ronald Dahl. He wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and James and the Giant Peach, but he has a few pretty dark stories that are fun for middle schoolers. (The Landlady is another great one.)
You probably got hit with auto-correct, but it's Roald Dahl, not Ronald.
Haha. Yep.
And I forgot to mention he wrote The BFG.
And I’d still recommend The Landlady as an excellent 15 minute read for all ages over 12.
It feels soo good to be back in Ravnica.
Format also looks at least a bit slower then the last one so thats a nice thing too.
the set review is sublime epiphany
I’m very hyped for this set !
Happy drafting everyone
If someone newer to the game is wondering about their reaction to Gearbane Orangutan, I am guessing that they are having flashbacks of an old Visions card Uktabi Orangutan. That card has a very notorious artwork. Look it up.
No, it's an old inside joke of LSV calling Marshall an ape.
Thank you so much
One of Rope's jokes is making Suspects unblockable. But equip 3 is still a lot.
Thanks guys
all you need for marshall to like an overtuned 1 drop is give it good flavour
Great video guys, thanks again!
This will take half my drive tomorrow, so stoked! I hope this format is going to be a bit slower.
The flavor in this set is so good.
I think you guys are underestimating Case of the Trampled Garden. if you have two face down creatures you will have 4 power plus 2 from the card itself. Even if you give something +3/+3 until end of turn the case will be solved and you can benefit from it each turn now. And you can easily get 2 power from artifacts, another disguised card, a two drop, etc.
3:52:12 How could Rubblebelt Maverick be anything less than a C? Early game you filter for your land drops/fixing and can chump then give a +1/+1 counter. Late game you get to get rid of your bad land draws, dig for the game-winner, and chump and boost your important creature. And if your deck cares about collecting evidence this is just free synergy. When is this card NOT good?
Update: Rubblebelt Maverick is the 2nd! best common in MKM, determined by IWD and >50% GP.
Split cards are great for collect evidence since their mana value is sum of their sides. I feel like they missed this synergy.
Agree
For Expose the Culprit, the creatures can be flipped up with either their Disguise cost or their mana cost
They didn't even notice that the land cycling panther helps you get big CC in your yard
Quality on these videos is going down
Not displaying cards, freezing
28:54 Wait, the rune brand juggler says suspect a creature you control, so you can’t have an opponent creature unable to block
1:23:00 ‘break open a stalemate’ in reference to a red card that flips a morph creature has to be intentional right?
3:16:00 Concealed Weapon seems extra sweet on blocks. Imagine you chump with the disguised weapon + another dork, then before damage flip the weapon and attach it to the other dork. You blank one of the attacks and trade up against the other.
I played a 2 headed giant event this weekend and was playing red / blue artifact sacrifice. Our opponents played vengeful tracker on turn 2. That was a pretty easy shock decision.
There are 47 detectives in the set
Does this include all the cards that make detectives tokens?
Simic still answering for the sins of Oko, Uro, and Growth Spiral.
Oko, Uro, Growth Spiral, and all the heinous things it gets up to in Commander. It might as well be the Commander color pair these days; with 40 life and other people to aim at, Simic's new strategy of 100% value engine growth seems pretty busted. With 20 life and a single opponent constantly knocking down your door it seems so bleh.
I'm avoiding Simic in Limited until someone runs me over with it three times in a row.
Limited balance has nothing to do with Mythics, and Growth Spiral had no issues in it's Limited environment. People forget UG underperforms in Limited quite often, including during and before Oko and Uro and Growth Spiral's times in Standard. Name one time during those cards' times in Standard when UG was a powerhouse in Limited.
@@Mordalon tbh, I just started playing limited recently, so I wouldn't really know. But I don't think it's that far of a stretch to say it's possible that massive outliers that needed banning in constructed formats could trickle down into uncommons and commons design.
looks like a really interesting set. i dont see any egregiously aggro 1 drops like we had in the last set (4-5 of them in fact), so i'm hoping , like others, that this set will actually let us play some more magic than what we have had lately .
This set really powers up The List inclusion of Mistveil Plains, lol.
i dont know expose the culprit seems fine
they play removal on one of ur expensive disguise cards, you can cloak it and save it from the removal (because you exile them) , turn another card you have face up (maybe on that cost like 5-6)
so you got to save a creature and saved mana, and maybe the card u saved had a very expesnive turn disguise cost and you can turn it back up even cheaper now ...
overall how can that be an F ?
I'm downloading this for my plane tomorrow!!
Gonna snuggle up with some warm cocoa and listen with your plane on your couch?
@@whatdothlife4660 I'm flying cross country!
Nice@@whatdothlife4660
Sanguine Saviour with Concealled Weapon did so much work
man sublime epiphany is so damn good
Woohoo! Set review time!
I see Case of the Gordon's kiss as a one-sided board wipe for the stall game where you can be on the back foot. Attack with two, and they block with two, say 2 trade, and we lose ours to theirs. This finishes theirs, and we are left with a 4/4 LL DT.
A board state of a couple morphed creeps and another dude or two. Seems easy enough to force the action on a stalled board state.
I 'suspect' it's better than it looks.
Topiary Panther also feeds collect evidence cards while being a land cycler or 6/5 trampler.. quite nice 4:17:07
question about Caught Red-Handed: considering the "can't be countered" and "instant" parts of the card; what happens if you target a disguised creature that the opponent pays to flip up? do you get to control the effects of the flip up? just really weirded out by this card, just like you guys, and trying to find a play pattern for it.
No you don't because you cannot respond to a creature being turned face up. If the creature has an ability when turned face up it will go on the stack and you can respond to that but your opponent will get the ability.
You can't prevent someone from turning a creature face up when they have priority if they can pay the costs. On the other hand they won't have priority during the resolution of the spell. So if you CRH targeting something and they turn it face up with CRH still on the stack, they'll get to put the face up trigger on the stack.
I think that if you get the CRH off, then you can look at it, and you have leeway to undisguise it and you'll control the triggered ability if so
for Presumed dead, cant you cast it on a face down card and have it come back face up?
Yes.
For the card that cloaks - it allows you to turn any creature face up, even if it doesnt have disguise. So creatures with disguise get 2 different abilites that allow them to turn, you can choose the one with better cost
Snarling gorehound doesn't say "non-token creature." I could see this having some pretty crazy interactions in constructed.
Rubblebelt maverick is insane not sure why Luis didn't like the card. Surveil 2 on a 1/1 is decent but allowing you to get a counter for only 1 mana sounds really good.
I just can't wrap my head around why the "disguise" cost relate to flipping the card up. You would expect it to be something like "undisguise" or "disclose"; it's just such an unintuitive name. My brain wants to pay the disguise cost to play it down as a 2/2.
Yeah, the wording is a bit off
When was the last time U/G was good ?
Strixhaven?
Jetsam seems pretty great for any multiplayer format. 6 mana cast 3 spells of your choice(ish). Most of the time this effect is either "cast an instant or sorcery" or "put a creature", but since this is a cast it can get any of those cast trigger creatures.
For Expose the Culprit, if opponent targets one of your face up creatures can you redisguise to give the ward and potentially fizzle the spell? Or is it too late to grant ward if spell is on stack ?
Actually, not sure how a spell on the stack would work, how will opponent know what was targeted if shuffling multiple cards
The second mode of Expose exiles the creatures, that alone would be enough to make the spell targeting it fizzle. They aren't shuffled on the battlefield, they are shuffled in exile then cloaked. Also, They rarely do cards that grant Ward at instant speed because it's unintuitive, Ward is a triggered ability that triggers when the creature becomes targeted, a creature that is already targeted and THEN gets Ward won't be protected because the event that causes the trigger already happened.
It's like how cards that put creatures directly into play attacking don't trigger "when creatures attack" triggered abilities.
Argus Kos + Convenient Target = Repeatable 4 mana exile target creature. It’s so good. I got Argus and 2 CTs at my prerelease. The card is absolutely a B.
You mentioned that Flotsam's mill will help with Collect Evidence, but didn't mention how good the card itself is for that too. An underrated value for ALL the split hybrid cards is that they are very good evidence to collect. You can get them into the graveyard for 1-3 mana, then collect 7-9 mana worth of evidence.
Love you guys and this is some of my favorite content on RUclips but reminder that it's almost impossible to follow along when the card image doesn't match the card your rating
Just listen to the podcast then
Sometimes I have an impression that Louis and Marshall are not limiting themselves on some of the resources ;)
It’s sad that they don’t make a note of how 6 mana morphs are really good since they all feed search for evidence 6
How did neither of them notice that Rope makes Menace creatures unblockable? That's the entire point of the card lol, and LSV even says "I don't understand the 'can't be blocked by more than two creatures' part".
Expose the Culprit is supposed to be used to both flip a face down card face up to gets its "when faced up" effect, and it can be used to re-disguise your disguise creatures so you can benefit from their "when faced up" effects again.
On cease // Desist the idea is to draw 2 gain two life and now have collect evidence 8 in bin.
5 hours, good effort gents.
I don't think it's really that hard to find a video background that loops seamlessly ;)
For those who dont know the simple named item ‘knife’ ‘rope’ are for the mtg Clue board game
I like how the morphs in this set can go in multiple decks without needing fixing lands so we shouldn't see the 5 color morphs deck like in khans but will still see heavy disguise decks.
Where is the rares and mythics
In the next video.
Auras, Equipment, and Combat Tricks seem like they'll be much better in a Morph set, especially since new morph has ward 2. I think many of these cards will be a bit better than they have historically been.
Disguise has the added side effect of bringing in a lot of ward creatures, so I think auras might be a bit better than usual, also combat tricks might also be better than usual because it's harder to be blown out and you don't have to pay for ward.
Also calling it now, think granite witness is gonna be one of the top 5 commons.
2:22:00 Thinking Cap is decebt in the detective deck, imho.
It allows all x/2 and x/1 detective to block morphs.
i feel like knife/first strike in general will be punching above its weight class with all these low toughness morphs and other creatures
It's mentioned for Geardrake and maybe more, but maybe we're at the point where every pick deserves a quick cube rating?
Have a feeling this is going to be another jeskai aggro format, with azorious being the strongest. hopefully I'm wrong. Green decks will be morphing generic 2/2s on turn 3 (thanks to ward being negated so much of the time). Meanwhile, you're slamming detectives on curve and smashing. Private eye is basically a glorious anthem in blue white. Attached to a creature that also makes your creatures unblockable. Card looks absolutely insane in that archetype. There are detectives everywhere. The white one and two drops look so strong for aggressive strategies. If true, Cheap removal will be key to combat it. Thankfully this format has efficient removal. I really hope this set isn't too fast because five color nonsense seems to be pretty doable in this set. Decent amount of fixing and ramp with morph helping you play cards that may otherwise be uncastable. Excited to try it.
I think Caught Red-Handed is instant just for the flavor