Acura's Integra Type S Is Simply The Better Civic Type R | 2024 Integra Type S Review
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2023
- Acura's legendary Integra nameplate has returned and for 2024 we have a high performance option in the Type S. Why no Integra Type R? Because: reasons. Honestly, Acura didn't have a good one in my opinion. Anyway, the Integra Type S is the slightly softer, more luxurious, more practical, more comfortable alternative to the Civic with a longer warranty. What's not to love?
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The new format is a keeper, the review is as good as it's gets.
I like the extra wide POV at the bottom, but maybe reduce the texts into bullet points? for example, the 0-60 times could just be in bullet points instead of a paragraph. makes it easier to read & listen at the same time.
Haven’t seen Alex this excited in a while. Great job as always
lift backs are greatness. kills the need to buy a small crossover...and that's always a good thing.
@@WinnersMind67 sedans do look better...but we're talking this versus a stinking crossover...that there are 20 of at every intersection. boring.
A tlx with a lift back would be insane.
Lol... That's not why you buy a x-over 😂
@@alexeivoloshin5984 I didn't point out a reason people buy small crossovers. there are several...but if it's just the need for a little more utility (practical space) a sedan with a lift back is great. my Stinger GT for example. lots of back seat space (leg room, head room). cargo area is much more practical than a trunk. looks, runs, handles better than a small crossover. it's all personal choice and need. all I said was here's a good alternative for anyone wincing at the thought of buying a stinking crossover.
@@gbgary Lol... Nobody would ever x-shop a Stinger and a small x-over. So this is not a good example.
11:21 I like your revised way of presenting the car. I did not feel a need to skip forward like for other reviewers.
I am amazed by Alex's ability to shift gears and navigate corners with exceptional smoothness, surpassing even the most experienced driving-centric reviewers.
He is a car guy through and through.
When you grow up driving mostly stick shifts it's not something you even think about.
And talk fluently at the same time. 👏
Most likely this will be one the last manual transmissions on sale, so yes Acura did the right thing.
Do you buy one?
And it's one of the very best manuals ever made too.
@@mahmoody8913 I did. It's not in yet, but hopefully next week.
Problem is it’s too expensive and FWD.
@@realnapster1522 I like FWD compared to RWD because it's better in the snow. Many reviewers have stated that it feels different from a typical FWD vehicle because of the LSD which almost makes it seem like AWD. Hopefully, I will find out with first hand information this Winter. I've never in my life purchased a vehicle over $25,000 so this would be significantly more than double. Most of the cars I've owned have been FWD and this is arguable the best FWD vehicle ever built so I want my very last ICE vehicle to be special, which I believe this will be.
Alex, That's the best musical selection 8:11 you have chosen in quite some time. 🤩
Acura quite literally played into the future classic by giving it the manual and no AWD, also profit padding
I would have paid 15k more for an AWD system
I would’ve loved to see a AWD
Engine bay looks great! Seems like you can get to a lot of things without a lot of drama. Good for long term ownership and keeping costs lower for labor on repair work when needed.
Absolutely love it, especially with a fastback. Makes it even easier to live with.
The Type S looks amazing Acura needs this type of action to bring us back to the brand👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾.
I like that you added the warranty info as well. Not everyone may need it, but it's a nice addition to all of the info 👍
I've watched every major review on this car and this one is the best. Great job on being informative and thorough without all the filler.
I would like to say thank you Alex between your video and soyban video I purchased a TLX type S 23 and I love it based on what scores you gave it you didn’t focus on HP Alone you spoke to the car and I wanted a conparission to the TLX and without a hiccup I got that right away thanks so MUCH
Thank you Alex for an excellent review and I think the new video format is great.
I really like the new drive test layout. Keep it!
I could see this cross shopped with the Golf R as well.
I agree, I wonder why the Golf R isn’t mentioned as alternative. (Is it just because the Audi is “luxury” like Acura’s positioning?)
Seems like you are a reading my mine and saying all the things I wonder about.
I had 1995 Integra Type S and 2003 RSX Type S and as much as loved those cars, I missed having a rear wheel drive vehicles especially on turns.
When you said purity I wouldn’t agreed on two aforementioned vehicles but somehow I feel what you are saying about purity!!
I really miss driving stick shift cars and I am looking for some fun car to throw around. Your review answered all the wonders and now time for the test drive. Thank you!!
There was no Integra Type S in 1995.
The driving format is good. The widescreen angles and the info square are great.
Alex you're one of the most objective auto journalists on RUclips
I'm absolutely in love with that blue!
Great car too.
I like the split-screen driving commentary. 👍
Great review as always!
Love the fastback, would like to have automatic or dual clutch and AWD options
These options would further segregate itself from Type R
Otherwise instead of stealing market share from the Germans, Acura might just be competing against its own Type R.
As always, great review.
I think it should've had some sort of Auto or DCT option but I think it's a "Type R Touring" kind of car. Hence Type S
I agree. I can only imagine the cost of development would’ve just added more costs and at that point it’s to close to the TLX Type S.
Yeah they probably could've added some revisions to the ILX's DCT, but thankfully Honda's MTs are excellent.
Driving Sports TV just updated their in-car view and it works. Full screen view of driver's side A pillar + driver, with an inset view facing the driver.
Better Civic Type R is stretching it a bit.
Most folks will like the hardcore nature of the Type R
I'd wager that the Typer R is faster and more fun on the Track as well.
Why? Same engine, same transmission, same suspension other than the presets, 95% same exhaust, except that the Type S sounds better. I don't know why it would be faster.
It's been tested on the track, and I do believe the numbers pretty much mirror each other. One wasn't out performed by the other per se.
I like the layout. With the little info box. Great!!
This is a great car but the pricing. As others have said you can get the reliability and NA feel of an IS350, or even a Supra/ M3 Performance that has been out for a bit and has proven itself to be quite reliable and great tuning platform, whereas the TypeR, while great, has had issues with cooling and their transmission.
Either way, this is on the list, but hope dealers don't kill sales with markups and deposit avoidance shenanigans.
The is350 is a lot more boring and the Supra of course is better because it’s a bmw. M3 performance is fast but there’s the Tesla build quality conundrum and the lack of CarPlay
Can get a G70
Just get M2 at this price point or a used M240i with manual. They should have given it AWD to separate it from Type R.
Y’all please buy these so that i can afford to get one in 10 years
Alex, Great review overall as always in depth
Buddy, been watching you for years and for some reason RUclips stopped recommending you. I like the revised format. One minor note, that jacket you're wearing makes you look more professional.
I put down the deposit on a reservation already! This CUV looks amazing
I like the new format. It kept more engaged.
@11:30 1st and foremost. Great review.. I have watched Thousands of hrs of reviews and follow a ton of channels. You got a good one. 🎉
Just one critique,
(Take it for what it is) ....
When using descriptive words to describe something like a glovebox, using words like small.. need to be used with numbers or a relation to an object we all use, because Shaq and WeeMan & You and I are all different sizes. Some of us are long legged with short bodies amd vice versa.. so leg room vs height is very relative. Just some word for thought. You Got a NEW SUB🎉.,
Keep Up The Awesomeness!!❤❤
Panoramic view is nice. Took a little getting used to though. I always wonder why the change? But this split screen w/you on top works, leaving the upper left for outside and/or stats to review. Despite all the talk about the joy of rowing your own, I feel Acura should come out with an auto next year. It would still work fine.
Alex if you put a black microfiber on the windshield the heads up display will show up real clear
I'd buy one at MSRP, but every dealership I spoke to has 20k USD Markup!
Did you inquire on May 11 or shortly thereafter? I did and I'm wondering if that was the reason that I'm getting it for MSRP.
@@mikemccormick6128 I did it last week.I am in California
Alex always excellent.
Excellent review on an excellent car. I like the new driving format.
I just realized that Acura logo looks like the Star Fleet logo from Star Trek.
As an owner of a Acura TL Type S owner, I’m not going to rush to my Acura dealer to trade in for this. 50K is a little bit high. Yes, I think Acura did a great job on the design and performance but 50K is a bit much. Especially considering you could easily get a TLX Type S with SHAWD without crazy dealer mark ups. I know some won’t agree but I think they should’ve offered a DCT choice. I also can’t believe they don’t have memory seats… that would drive me up the wall.
You want a fat old man car - good for you - this is not that.
This is for drivers who actually push their cars not just cruising around in automatic that shifts at 3 to 4k 😂
The Integra is a beast on track - the TLX-S is a pig - overheats it'd brakes in less than 2 laps
@@TheFK8LifeAgreed! The TLX-S is 1000 lbs heavier than this lol
I own a 2018 Golf R now but I would definitely get one of these to elevate my styling. The type R is nice but still a little boy racer so this one would be my choice!
For this type of money I’d be buying a DSG MK8 Golf R. It’s a whole other performance bracket. 0-60 in 3.9 seconds stock. You’ll be blowing away $100K cars with just a 93 octane tune.
@@DM72513 True!
@@DM72513 I've never driven anything faster than around 7 sec. So I'm sure going down to around 5 sec. will seem pretty great compared to what I'm used to.
Big fan Golf Rs. Keep it.
Seen this in person and man is this a sexy car! Turns heads for Sure
Great review Alex. 👍👍 Nice they have a liftback, but I'd buy one if they made a station wagon. Just amazing how much hp & torque can be got from four cylinders without overstressing the engine. There will probably be an EV version in a few years that will blow away this ICE model. For 90% of the public front wheel drive is A-OK. If I lived in the snow belt this would have to be a no-snow time of the year car.
Great review! Stoked it only comes in stick and all wheel drive would be cool but it’s not a huge deal. I also really don’t like the three way split screen at all! Way too busy
Awesome car and reviews
Thank you for such an indepth review! How would you compare this to a more cheaply Elantra N in terms of fun and drivability? Thank you
This car is butter. Must test drive. The manual or so smooth and easy to drive. Power is excellent.
it's priced at $58,328 here in Canada and we get fewer color combinations. Criminal.
76000 in California after dealer markup
Insane
Nice review as always, Alex! This car seems excellent, but there are a few glaring omissions in a car in this class like a power passenger seat even if would you be only two way. Also, a memory driver seat and ventilated seats should be standard. Lastly, I think there should be an automatic option.
Should just go for the tlx type s if you're looking for more feature content
During the drive I think the POV should be bigger, possibly full screen with the Go Pro footage of Alex in a smaller picture-in-picture window.
I agree
You’ll be able to pick these up at a discount in 6 months. 52k fora compact car that’s near luxury will be a tough sell. Car prices in general are dropping
I'd never pay that kind of money on an Integra, not to mention the ridiculous dealer markup already on the existing regular Integra.
Hell, it BETTER be for 8k more!
As someone who has tracked his 2.4l TLX w/ the 8spd DCT, I don't know if it could stand up to the torque of the K20C1 or meet the fun mission w/ its reliance on a torque converter (like a true auto) for 1st & 2nd gears. The TLX has thrown trans oil cooling warnings after a handful of laps and would be an Achilles heel during a track day or Time Trials with their Integra Type S.
Do you have any basic mods on the TLX? I have the same car
@@MysterANT None other than 18"x8" ET43 OZ wheels and Michelin Pilot 4S tires...and 20+ years of club racing experience.
And as far as the torque converter goes, it's just painful with a capital "P" trying to dig out of slow corners while you wait for it to lock up.
If it also come with LogR app in the infotainment to record track record, it will be perfect FL5 clone, good video and 🙏🏻🙏🏻
How is the front leg room? Previous Hondas I've sat in (like a 2021 Accord) had plenty of space but the front seat tracks weren't long enough for me.
Great video - hows the rev hang compared to the regular integra?
Very cool car considering the drivel that comes out these days.
Looks great. I just can't get over it being front wheel drive, especially for a 50k+ performance vehicle.
The direct European competition like the A3 CLA 2 series are also front wheel drive based ICYDK even with AWD
@@naveenthemachineThe direct European competition are FWD based but all offer standard AWD, more features, and are $5,000 cheaper. Acura fools you, Alex, and all the other people in this comment section. It’s a great car, but it’s overpriced.
@@Soh90 what European car is 5K cheaper has more features?
A cla 35 AMG can get a lot more expensive than the type s when you add options
@@naveenthemachine No mate, a CLA 35 is better equipped even in base form. I suggest you look at the standard equipment of both cars. Right off the bat the CLA has a power driver and passenger seat, memory seats, sunroof, better interior materials, and AWD. I cannot stress enough that I don’t think the ITR is a bad car. It’s just overpriced. The 2.0T is a volume engine that was used in the previous CTR and Accord Sport, the manual transmission was used in the previous CTR. The charm of Honda performance cars were that they were good without breaking the banks. So it was ok that they were sometimes underpowered, or maybe not as refined, or lacking features. Now they’re just expensive and lacking features all in the name of what? Honda’s so called great manuals? My Acura TSX chewed through 2 manual transmissions. Honda need to lower their price across the board by $5,000. Period.
@cesFree My stock clutch, stock trans, stock engine Type R is making 640hp
You won't do this with a manual German 4cyl from BMW or Mercedes - hell can you even point me to a manual German luxury 4cyl that laps like the type R 😂
Awd sucks and is slower on track
As far as fwd performance - the 2016 GT4 Cayman was slower than the 2017 Civic Type R at the nurburgring despite having more power, being mid engine and rwd.
These Type R/S models are incredible on track stock and even better with more power. The front knuckle/suspension design is next level and is able to put down 1000hp - people just don't know what they are talking about as they have next to zero experience with these cars.
The griping over the location of reverse is absurd. I street parked my 6MT VW Golf for seven years (parallel parking) on hills in Tacoma, WA, and not once did it ever occur to me think that reverse should be anywhere other than immediately next to 1st, the gear that I'm probably going in and out of when parking. You make an easy U-shape with your hand.
“Dealer Markups” = game over. Just don’t have the patience for those games.
many of us want that 5th seat. like really, why cant they just provide a drop-down cup holder like every other sedan?
It’s weird to see a Non Ev video on this channel!
Good Car the Problem is that the Dealers Will overpriced Maybe 20k More , and the Financial part will be a Nightmare with the interest on 7% , Good Luck with that 😢
I'm anxious to see what it will do on a track.I still think the FL5 will outperform it there.
wish it has a doughnut spare tire at least...so this is riding on ran flat tires i presume. SHAWD would have been a nice option
Such a nice car!! Would love to hear the exhaust notes
@Alex, would you pick it over the Golf R manual?
Integra looks very nice and if you only want a manual, it's the one for you. I would struggle justifying buying this over a much faster BMW 340I or 240I for my garage. I bought exclusively manual Hondas when I was younger, now that I'm older and have to drive in stop and go every day and the automatics are brilliant these days, I would stick with a brilliant auto over manual.
My dream car.
If you're going to buy it then yes as the German cars depreciate like dropping a stone and it's a Honda. It not gonna break down in 5 years. And parts aren't going to kill you on costs
torn between this and the Audi RS3 which I know you loved. The white ITS with Bronze wheels and few other bits that I like puts it at 55k vs the RS3 I priced out at 65k . hmmm Addtional thoughts assuming can place an order for either one and obtain at MSRP with no mark up? thx Great review
Integraforums has a thread with a list of dealers selling at MSRP.
It would be quite interesting to see what kind of car this could be with a dual clutch and AWD. Acura did do the right thing by keeping it a 6sp manual and FWD but outfitted with the former, this could be a real rocket ship!
However, I wonder if the so-called “fun factor” of having a MT is what the overall car market really wants. There will of course always be driving enthusiasts who prefer manuals but on the street, the competition isn’t pining over who has a car with the greatest involvement factor when stopped at a light. It’s always, without fail, about straight line performance and all-out power - who’s the quickest/fastest. From what I know, there is no “medal” for the best driver engagement.
For the new format, I don't think the forward facing camera adds much. OR perhaps cut to that dual view at like @15:20. When you're talking about the actual dynamics. Talking about other cars in the segment? Just stick with the cabin cam. Just my opinion. Love the videos.
That thing looks amazing. I just can't ever see buying ANY vehicle without a spare tire. I will never understand that theory how an inflator can replace even a temp spare.
Hopefully, I will never find out.
i have been driving for 15 years and only had to use the spare tire once, its just extra weight otherwise. I can see why its not really necessary unless you live in the middle of nowhere
Doesn’t having the weight of the motor over the wheels not make for better traction? Which in turn translates into better power transfer to the road?
I think I would disagree that three point turns are easier because I prefer reverse next to first. But I've disagreed with you about that for years. 😊
I'd take a CT4V for quicker times for the price!
Wish it wasn't such a big boat. Only 2 inches shorter than my S550 Mustang, which is like driving a tank.
If given the choice would u get a GRC CE or this type s
By the looks of the seats giving a hunch that the type R is in progress
At minute 18 (paraphrasing) “the Type S has more room in case you want to take your friends on a windy road to the winery… and once you drop them off you can have some fun…” I hope you were DD for the day. 🤣
With the new Integra Type S, I feel as though the TLX Type S is obsolete. I mean The TLX Type S only has 35 more ponies and 44 lbs feet of torque more than the Integra Type S. The IT-S is lighter has more interior space, more practical, cost less and gets better mpg's. The only reason to get the TLX-S over the IT-S is for SHAWD and maybe if you really don't want or don't know how to drive a manual. Oh and the IT-S has a touch screen.
Dealership markup will be there but I'm guess it'll be closer to $5K markup vs the $25K markup I'm seeing in the twin cities metro area on the Type R (saw an FL5 for $70K and a FK8 for $60K -- both used).
OMG. I thought the $15,000 from my Honda dealership was horrible, but $25,000 is on a whole other level. That's why I'm glad I got in on the Type S pre-sale. I have to ask my Acura dealer if they will be charging mark-ups now that the pre-sale is over.
Is it worth the 20k price over an A Spec integra? Thanks in advance.
I can’t comment on whether Acura made a mistake in not offering an all wheel drive option but I can say that I would be buying this car if it was AWD. Not for the driving dynamics but because I need it in the winter. I’m not a fan of the electronic parking brake. It should be a handle you pull up.
That’s got a nice rear end
I’m wondering if the Audi and Benz competitors are more approachable than the Acura? $20k Acura market price adjustment?
At $50k, it ought to have a DCT option and a/c vents in the rear. Actually, same goes for the regular model.
Or ventilated seats too!
This car is for drivers - DCT is a no go
rear ac vent is not needed
Can you track it on occasion once in a while?
tbo i would get a '23 A spec with a manual. plenty peppy with lotta stuff and 35mpg on the highway and mid $30's. the only thing is it's a small 1.5 turbo so wonder how it will hold up.
I disagree that 0-60 in 7 sec is peppy.
Have to say it is a brilliant package. Well done Acura/Honda. However, it is sad that the car is NA only. Bugger, Acura/Honda!
Only things I don’t like is that it’s manual transmission only, no moonroof and interior color. 😢
So like did Acura just delete P-AWS??
Sure SH-AWD is great for neutral handling but only in on power situations, the old tlx 2.4l with P-AWS was perfect is generally all normal driving + parking maneuvers
AWS has never sold vehicles.
It's expensive to repair, expensive to make, and nobody cares about it.
So in Canada it will be 70k to start. Apply taxes dealer fees looking at 80k! I make 100k a year after taxes and deductions 50k. Would need a second mortgage. Car prices are nuts now.
fyi there’s a mistake at 18:23, said automatic transmission
Pain points: lack of sound insulation, not-so-efficient mpg figures, crazy thin tire walls…
How on earth can dealer mark up this thing? Sell it more than TLX Type S lol?
It is not true that it doesn't have sound insulation. It's significantly quieter than a Type-R.
I really wish they would have simply put the detuned 2.0t from the accord in the Integra and then this tuned version. The regular integra is just not good enough.