Dull packaging? Good! I don't need to be entertained by the box my gear comes in. Entertainment comes after it's installed. Packaging needs to tell me what's inside if it's a spare sitting on the shelf waiting to be used, and protect the stuff inside. That's it.
Put a sticker with the purchase date on the hdd, then x many years down the line, you know when the warranty runs out and time to get a new one. I would rather they save on the brown box and not save on putting cheap hardware in. I like the look it's more unique than the others but would look funny in my rack lol.
@@nascompares Huge shout out to my fellow mate! Very pro, down to Earth, lots of info, the fastest to cover new releases and relevant news. I’m a big fan of you,…. And the seagulls ;) Did I mention the great spirit of sarcasm?
I suspect that one thing that keeps their costs down and upgrade timeline moving faster is that they don't have the relatively huge array of apps to update like Synology and QNAP. I have a NAS made by all three of these companies and Terramaster's app selection is far smaller. But it does have a few really good ones like cloud sync for Google Drive and Onedrive. They are also far simpler and therefore easier to use although there are a few places where you need to guess what to do next when using them. But, overall, for people with more basic needs, the Terramaster will be great and far less painful to setup.
Lets be real, most people aren't using the "vendor" managed apps these days. Grab a docker container and have a great time. (Docker runs on the Terramasters) I am running OMV as the OS on mine instead of the TOS software and am very happy.
@@brandonwitzig2551 Agreed. Besides, based on my experience with my Asustor, sometimes the vendor-provided apps can be very buggy anyways so most people would want to go with dockers containers anyway. Plus, at least with dockers you know that your data is not locked inside another proprietary walled garden.
Terramaster IMHO are focusing more on their hardware than software, and I believe that they are well aware of the fact that while on the software side they don't have much selection and some of the important apps are still very buggy (e.g. VirtualBox) they do provide pretty decent hardware and build quality for the price point, so they can focus on the Hardware (product line) and at least temporarily give "less effort" to the software, most people who buy Terramaster NAS units are tech savvy customers who know that this unit will require some tweaking and they are willing to do so - after some tweaking (RAM update for an example, and in some cases installing a different OS) the units work pretty decent for what they are (also never compare a high-end commercial grade NAS which costs 1800 EUR to one that costs 400 EUR that is aimed for the home lab / home-office / small office) I still think that Terramaster should start putting a bit more effort into improving the apps in the app "store" of TOS, since the main reason for people switching to different OSs on their unit is due to the lack of app support, or certain apps that are important to people being too buggy to use. Big benefit of a Terramaster NAS is that this company is building devices that are not as restrictive and proprietary as how the "big brands" are doing, and this alone is such a huge benefits for many users, since brands such as QNAP and Synology are as restrictive as Apple when it comes to their device, so customizing the OS or upgrading hardware is very limited and on their low-end / budget models impossible (everything is soldered), Terramaster leave a significant space for hardware upgrades on their NAS devices (RAM, x2 NVMe additionally to the bay drivers etc.) and software (hardware can run a handful of OSs in case you don't like the in-house TOS) Design wise, I wish the F4-423 could have a front loading usb for quick access, similar to what QNAP and Synology are doing - adding something like this should not be a huge hardware design / modification.. and I'd personally pay a few euros more for something like this, also maybe making the housing about 1 inch taller so that it will be possible to put proper heatsinks on the NVMe cards that are installed under the motherboard
Just a warning for anyone looking to purchase this NAS. According to the terra-master forum, terra-master has disabled support for ALL third party RAM for this model after the TOS 5 update. They are only allowing their "officially supported" RAM modules that just so happen to cost 4-5 times the price of equivalent third party RAM. I just found this out after purchasing the NAS and think I will have to return it. Third party RAM is usable if you install another OS like TrueNas so they are disabling support in their software.
did Terramaster revoked this silly policy or not? I have heard (end of 2023) some people claiming they have installed 3rd party RAM modules from companies such as Crucial / Kingstone without any issue?
Nice review, as always! I really wish the microphone was not mechanically coupled to the desk. Every time something is moved on the desk, a nasty rumbling noise distracts me from what you're actually saying. Never mind if I'm just overly sensitive with the musician/sound engineer part in me and the fact that I'm listening through decent headphones. In either case, thank you for the great job.
Great to see. The more competent competition the better. Keep Qnap and Synology on their toes :) Not that this is a "Synology Killer" I certainly hope it wakes them up! If Synology doesn't have competitive x22/x23 models before the end of the year they are going to have a notable gap in both their new and returning customer base.
I finally got this excellent baby after following your reviews for over a year. However I am still stumped on how to set up a Virtual Switch to allow a direct Cat 6 connection between the NAS and my PC which has a 2.5 Gbe. I believe Qnap has this function.
Thanks for again a really great review! It made decide to buy one and this is a great piece of hardware. Not the top notch but good for my usage. I've setup Xpenology with 4 4TB MX500 SSD's and it works great! After activating C states in bios I'm idling at 10 watt with 2 2.5gbe connections and a few basic iscsi and smb shares. I also put 2 WD blue M.2 2tb as separate volume but the power consumption at idle climbed to 15 watt. As I dont need so fast storage I took these back out. It is quiet and with 24°c room temperature the SSD's stay around 27-28°c. I have 1 negztive point to mention. I tested the speed of each SSD's via the integrated benchmark tool of DSM and the 2 first disks give expected speed of 500+ mb/s, but disk 3 and 4 are only reaching 350mb/s. I have no clue why.
Can you PLEASE mount your mic off the desk. Every time you move it sounds like someone hitting a bass drum and adds so much unnecessary noise to your audio.
any update on the TOS support to applications?... I hear its not great... Thinking about the TrueNAS Scale that you did a review on... I'm still waffling between TOS and Scale..
Anyone installed the app on mobile phone for this device.? I’m trying to do this after following the full guidelines on setup , and for over 24 hrs I’m trying to add to my phone and see the Nas, but can’t login. On my Pc and sharing on my network is ok, i can see and connect, but once I’m open my app on phone, i can’t login. I’m using my user name and password,but on last option said,, PLEASE INPUT TNAS ADDRESS “. That’s the problem i just can’t understand,what do i need to add there. Any help or advice will be really appreciated. Thank you
Thank you for unpacking and the work you do. I would very much like to see your video in the F4-423 vs F4-223 comparison format. Why does TerraMaster separate them and make different prices for them?? Not necessarily full-scale, but something in the format of 15-20 minutes would be great. Thank you in advance.
Just come across your channel as my HDDs pretty much failed in my Netgear RN312 (which has served me well to be fair) - so thought, why not look to upgrade it all! Like your presentation and the detail - you've just taken about 8 hours of my life and I only found you about 3 days ago (but that's good 😁). My question to you if you'd accept it - I've watched you review of this and the Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 - I'm going to have RAID 5 most likely across 4x8TB Ironwolf Pro drives (the new NT version) - which one would you choose if the cash is not the factor (I liked the TS-453D and TS-464 as well but don't think they are the ones). Mostly about file protection and eventually RUclips video creation and photography with Lightroom. Appreciate your content.
Very true. But many now offer greater than a gigabit (1Gb), as well as even a 1 bay NAS being able to output 200MB/s, many ISP/paid routers with WiFi 6 at 1.2Gb/a wirelessly, many mobos/PCs having 2.5G, USB to 2.5G adapters starting at like $20 for 2.5x the speed of a 1G USB adapter at $12-15, and the cost of 2.5G being near identical at production to 1Gb components. And those are ones I just thought of on the fly...I think there are a bunch more worth considering. Hope that helps bud and I didn't come across too preachy!
Dull packaging? Good! I don't need to be entertained by the box my gear comes in. Entertainment comes after it's installed. Packaging needs to tell me what's inside if it's a spare sitting on the shelf waiting to be used, and protect the stuff inside. That's it.
Put a sticker with the purchase date on the hdd, then x many years down the line, you know when the warranty runs out and time to get a new one.
I would rather they save on the brown box and not save on putting cheap hardware in.
I like the look it's more unique than the others but would look funny in my rack lol.
Sorry, but that silver just looks tacky. This is not 1998!
*lowers neon shades turns down the spice girls album on my Minidisk*
What?
@@nascompares Huge shout out to my fellow mate!
Very pro, down to Earth, lots of info, the fastest to cover new releases and relevant news.
I’m a big fan of you,…. And the seagulls ;)
Did I mention the great spirit of sarcasm?
I suspect that one thing that keeps their costs down and upgrade timeline moving faster is that they don't have the relatively huge array of apps to update like Synology and QNAP. I have a NAS made by all three of these companies and Terramaster's app selection is far smaller. But it does have a few really good ones like cloud sync for Google Drive and Onedrive. They are also far simpler and therefore easier to use although there are a few places where you need to guess what to do next when using them. But, overall, for people with more basic needs, the Terramaster will be great and far less painful to setup.
Lets be real, most people aren't using the "vendor" managed apps these days.
Grab a docker container and have a great time. (Docker runs on the Terramasters)
I am running OMV as the OS on mine instead of the TOS software and am very happy.
@@brandonwitzig2551 Agreed. Besides, based on my experience with my Asustor, sometimes the vendor-provided apps can be very buggy anyways so most people would want to go with dockers containers anyway. Plus, at least with dockers you know that your data is not locked inside another proprietary walled garden.
Terramaster IMHO are focusing more on their hardware than software, and I believe that they are well aware of the fact that while on the software side they don't have much selection and some of the important apps are still very buggy (e.g. VirtualBox) they do provide pretty decent hardware and build quality for the price point, so they can focus on the Hardware (product line) and at least temporarily give "less effort" to the software, most people who buy Terramaster NAS units are tech savvy customers who know that this unit will require some tweaking and they are willing to do so - after some tweaking (RAM update for an example, and in some cases installing a different OS) the units work pretty decent for what they are (also never compare a high-end commercial grade NAS which costs 1800 EUR to one that costs 400 EUR that is aimed for the home lab / home-office / small office)
I still think that Terramaster should start putting a bit more effort into improving the apps in the app "store" of TOS, since the main reason for people switching to different OSs on their unit is due to the lack of app support, or certain apps that are important to people being too buggy to use.
Big benefit of a Terramaster NAS is that this company is building devices that are not as restrictive and proprietary as how the "big brands" are doing, and this alone is such a huge benefits for many users, since brands such as QNAP and Synology are as restrictive as Apple when it comes to their device, so customizing the OS or upgrading hardware is very limited and on their low-end / budget models impossible (everything is soldered), Terramaster leave a significant space for hardware upgrades on their NAS devices (RAM, x2 NVMe additionally to the bay drivers etc.) and software (hardware can run a handful of OSs in case you don't like the in-house TOS)
Design wise, I wish the F4-423 could have a front loading usb for quick access, similar to what QNAP and Synology are doing - adding something like this should not be a huge hardware design / modification.. and I'd personally pay a few euros more for something like this, also maybe making the housing about 1 inch taller so that it will be possible to put proper heatsinks on the NVMe cards that are installed under the motherboard
Just a warning for anyone looking to purchase this NAS. According to the terra-master forum, terra-master has disabled support for ALL third party RAM for this model after the TOS 5 update. They are only allowing their "officially supported" RAM modules that just so happen to cost 4-5 times the price of equivalent third party RAM. I just found this out after purchasing the NAS and think I will have to return it. Third party RAM is usable if you install another OS like TrueNas so they are disabling support in their software.
I was unaware of this. I'll have a look into this and do some testing
@@nascompares Hello, can you confirm this is the case? Third party ram not allowed?
@@nascompares Did you end up looking at this?
did Terramaster revoked this silly policy or not? I have heard (end of 2023) some people claiming they have installed 3rd party RAM modules from companies such as Crucial / Kingstone without any issue?
Any updates? @@nascompares
Excellent video, as always.
I might be missing something but those two 2.5 Gbps ports, aren’t they a downgrade compared to the 10 Gbps of the 422?
the value proposition to me from terramaster, is low cost basic option for NAS. As someone else mentioned who bother's with the vendor provided apps.
Nice review, as always! I really wish the microphone was not mechanically coupled to the desk. Every time something is moved on the desk, a nasty rumbling noise distracts me from what you're actually saying. Never mind if I'm just overly sensitive with the musician/sound engineer part in me and the fact that I'm listening through decent headphones. In either case, thank you for the great job.
Great to see. The more competent competition the better. Keep Qnap and Synology on their toes :)
Not that this is a "Synology Killer" I certainly hope it wakes them up!
If Synology doesn't have competitive x22/x23 models before the end of the year they are going to have a notable gap in both their new and returning customer base.
Prices have apparently come down on these quite a bit. I just ordered one (it arrives tomorrow) from Newegg for only $369.00.
I finally got this excellent baby after following your reviews for over a year. However I am still stumped on how to set up a Virtual Switch to allow a direct Cat 6 connection between the NAS and my PC which has a 2.5 Gbe. I believe Qnap has this function.
Thanks for again a really great review! It made decide to buy one and this is a great piece of hardware. Not the top notch but good for my usage. I've setup Xpenology with 4 4TB MX500 SSD's and it works great! After activating C states in bios I'm idling at 10 watt with 2 2.5gbe connections and a few basic iscsi and smb shares.
I also put 2 WD blue M.2 2tb as separate volume but the power consumption at idle climbed to 15 watt. As I dont need so fast storage I took these back out. It is quiet and with 24°c room temperature the SSD's stay around 27-28°c.
I have 1 negztive point to mention. I tested the speed of each SSD's via the integrated benchmark tool of DSM and the 2 first disks give expected speed of 500+ mb/s, but disk 3 and 4 are only reaching 350mb/s. I have no clue why.
i just bought me terramaster and was wonding is ok to run it off a switch? i have my house set up from router to the switch to walls thruout the house
Can you PLEASE mount your mic off the desk. Every time you move it sounds like someone hitting a bass drum and adds so much unnecessary noise to your audio.
Was waiting for this review. Looking forward to the software review. Need to max this puppy out and run comparisons.
Thumbnail says F4-422, but it’s about F4-423?
Bugger! Well spotted. Cheers for the heads up mate
any update on the TOS support to applications?... I hear its not great... Thinking about the TrueNAS Scale that you did a review on... I'm still waffling between TOS and Scale..
Anyone installed the app on mobile phone for this device.?
I’m trying to do this after following the full guidelines on setup , and for over 24 hrs I’m trying to add to my phone and see the Nas, but can’t login.
On my Pc and sharing on my network is ok, i can see and connect, but once I’m open my app on phone, i can’t login.
I’m using my user name and password,but on last option said,, PLEASE INPUT TNAS ADDRESS “. That’s the problem i just can’t understand,what do i need to add there.
Any help or advice will be really appreciated.
Thank you
Thank you for unpacking and the work you do.
I would very much like to see your video in the F4-423 vs F4-223 comparison format. Why does TerraMaster separate them and make different prices for them??
Not necessarily full-scale, but something in the format of 15-20 minutes would be great.
Thank you in advance.
Just come across your channel as my HDDs pretty much failed in my Netgear RN312 (which has served me well to be fair) - so thought, why not look to upgrade it all! Like your presentation and the detail - you've just taken about 8 hours of my life and I only found you about 3 days ago (but that's good 😁). My question to you if you'd accept it - I've watched you review of this and the Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 - I'm going to have RAID 5 most likely across 4x8TB Ironwolf Pro drives (the new NT version) - which one would you choose if the cash is not the factor (I liked the TS-453D and TS-464 as well but don't think they are the ones). Mostly about file protection and eventually RUclips video creation and photography with Lightroom. Appreciate your content.
Thanks for the review! Looks like TOS 5 became official June 13th. I currently have an F2-422.
Does this boot from the USB drive, so you can install whatever OS you want on it?
Can you explain an original TRAID mode of F4-423?
Hi Rob, Am I able to add a Terramaster Das to the usb port as extra storage to the main pool?
I wonder if this NAS can backup cell phone and laptop 💻 🤔
Is there a good or better Synology equivalent of download station on this one ?
Good ole classic nascompares review thanks
Can I have a private cloud on this one?
Any chance of a link to the 4-bay?
Thanks for the vid
I dont know why you bang on so much about 2.5 Gbe, when most ISP,s dont oher that speed. I might be missing something?
Very true. But many now offer greater than a gigabit (1Gb), as well as even a 1 bay NAS being able to output 200MB/s, many ISP/paid routers with WiFi 6 at 1.2Gb/a wirelessly, many mobos/PCs having 2.5G, USB to 2.5G adapters starting at like $20 for 2.5x the speed of a 1G USB adapter at $12-15, and the cost of 2.5G being near identical at production to 1Gb components. And those are ones I just thought of on the fly...I think there are a bunch more worth considering. Hope that helps bud and I didn't come across too preachy!
Now 2.5g ethernet is a serious basic tool for those who do not want to waste life.