Russians are fleeing their homeland in protest of Putin’s draft
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- Russian President Vladimir Putin's order to conscript men to fight in his war in Ukraine has created an exodus of draft dodgers. CNN's Ivan Watson speaks to some of the thousands who left their homeland behind in defiance of Putin.
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"I am a refugee, and at the same time the aggressor" That hit hard...
They're not refugees. Avoiding military service does not make you a refugee. A refugee is someone fleeing a war in THEIR country. It ticks me off that these people call themselves refugees, when they are not.
I don't like them, I don't agree with what they're doing, and I think all Russians should be forced to stay in Russia. No country should take them in. I'm am 100 percent on Ukraine's side, what Russia is doing is pure evil, Zelensky is AMAZING, but you'll notice that all these Russians who are fleeing Russia never had a problem with the war until it effected them personally.
They are selfish. They think only of themselves.
When the war didn't effect them, they didn't have a problem with it. They only care about it now that it effects them.
They are not refugees. Other countries should not take them in and give them hand outs. If they had morals, they would stay in Russia, and revolt against Putin, and actually change things.
Not his fault. I understand he feels bad but honestly, as a "westerner" (former Eastern bloc) I feel guilty as well. When Russia annexed Crimea the west didn´t do much. And I felt so angry and anxious about it. That was a precedent that should not have happened. We are as guilty as Russia.
@@caroline4323 We are somewhat at fault. But definitely not as guilty as Russia.
The problem for Russia is the people leaving are the productive, educated ones
"educated"? hahahahah The educated and last piece smartest of the smart already left in Feb/March 2022... Those who are leaving are one of the most dangerous who didn't care about politic but (still) support Putin's Regime. Once these guys will arrive in other countries they will still support the war
Proof?
@@jimperkins6073 Troll. Edit: You're a known troll. Now have the pretence of a shred of decency and change your avatar to Not be a child.
And those dying in Ukraine are young men, who are a country's future fathers.
Demographically, Russia is doomed.
@@jimperkins6073 I would say typically, the more educated someone is the more they want to not be involved in a war
These men are heros. Leaving to avoid murdering their neighbors is very commendable. I wish them well. ♡
That is not a protest. That is fear.
Underrated
And to go to war to kill innocent people is bravery?
@@antoinette.m. being fearful doesnt necessarily make you a coward, see
Salute to those Americans who felt same after America aggression. 🥰
"How can I take part in the war without a wish to win this war."
My thoughts exactly. Well said. Keep safe you all.
That's why the Ukraine is gaining and will ultimately be victorious, because every single Ukrainian who is fighting wishes very much, to win this war.
They don't want to die for one man's stupidity, for one man's pride, they are smart Russians.they know their country was not attacted,it's a senseless war and they cannot fight in cold blood,for nothing more then stupidity.
ras(putin) has strengthened NATO, weakened his army, hurt his country, and now Russians are voting with their FEET... with 2 middle fingers held high as they salute ras(putin)
@Kyle Kyle Shilling for Russia, comrade? I hope it's worth it.
@Kyle Kyle With what weapons, armor, materiel, etc? What? You think they're just gonna rush the armed Ukrainian defenders with rocks and sticks just to appropriate their weapons while hoping they don't get shredded by assault rifle or machinegun fire or blown to bits by artillery and/or grenades?
Take Putin out before he takes us all out.
:)
Only if it was that easy
how you planning on doing that he distances himself from even his trusted circle hes ex-KGB you think hes stupid enough to hang his head out a window? what im getting at its not that easy
@Alex Perez , lmaooo....you watch a lot of action movies ?
A coup of Putin's regime will have to involve the Russian military and I'm sure there are many who are thinking about it if not already planning it.
I felt the same way in 1970, I didn't want any thing to do with Vietnam but I found myself there anyway
Wherever these men can get to for safety I pray that they make it there. This is heartbreaking and no one deserves this. Not the Russian citizens nor the Ukrainians.
Doctors, i.t. people, imagine the brain drain that Putin has caused.
WE could use them in Fla. or Texas.
WOW , YES , I was thinking the same thing , Putin has Destroyed any future Russia had , Russia will be a 3rd world country soon , Russia will be more Toxic than the NAZIs were ,
@@arlenesecrist354 You say that but everyone knows that Republicans don't like immigrants (all your politicians do is spend their time badmouthing them) so they won't be going to Republican states now will they?
Female doctors and nurses are escaping Russia as well. They can be drafted to the frontline to take care of wounded soldiers.
Less people to doubt him
I'm proud of those young men who refuse to fight for the ego and greed of old men
Who soon will die. Those young men and women are the real heroes of the world
heroes who stayed silent while their country was massacring innocent Ukrainians by the thousands and destroying entire cities? I think not
I don't know if "proud" should be the word. I agree with them leaving, but what they're doing isn't exactly heroic. Heroic is if you go protest in public in Russia about how you don't agree with the war. In that case, you're going out of your way to try to save people. In this case, you simply flee because you don't want to die for an unjustified war. Self-preservation isn't heroic. Again, I would do the same, but I would not consider myself a hero or expect people to be proud of--or disappointed in--me.
@@addanametocontinue Yep. These guys were fully in support of teh war, until they risked being sent to the front. It is only then that they ran.
@@kerrynofford4727 you can't possibly know that ....
@@tatyanafadden2005 Educated, skilled men in their prime leaving Russia is a potentially effective form of sabotage. It will affect the economy and damage Putin's credibility as a leader. It also gives them the option of fighting the regime at the time, place and circumstances of their own choosing, rather than on Putin's terms.
Excellent film work and reporting thank you for all your services all over the world.
Bless them
They don't want to be canon fodder for a man who clearly couldn't care less about their fates. Can you blame them for leaving their Motherland?
Kazakhstan will welcome anyone that needs help ❤ Kazakhstan loves Ukrainians and Russians that are for peace ✌️ ❤❤❤
I salute Kazakhstan.
wawaweea borat welcomes everyone
Take too many Russians in and Putin will come to liberate them too.
@@davidflynn6790 i totally read that in Borat his voice!
God bless Kazakhstan! Much love from Mexico
Thanks good guys. You all have taken right ways. GOD BLESS U ALL
God is nothing, may the people of Kazakhstan bless them with amenities and prosperity.
Oh, wow! Crossing the Bering strait to Alaska!
That's really, really amazing.
I guess the "Motherland" is now the "Wasteland". Glad to see some Russians standing up though 👍
Especially the girl at the state tv station who held up the sign. Hope she is in a safe place.
Just remember that Russia is not some faraway eastern place. It's next door to Canada.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver it’s next door to the US too. We share a maritime border with them.
@@stevenorris4549 Toronto and NYC act like Russia is "halfway around the globe" when it's two days' drive across the North.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver It's pretty much next door to everywhere
as a 36 year old man.... i couldnt imagine the stress and sadness of having to abandon everything you know for lands unknown... with no plan.... to avoid a war you dont even want.... i hope you all stay safe and all innocent people caught up in this invasion eventually find peace
Millions of Ukrainians have had to do the same thing because of this murderous war. I have no compassion for the Russians who flee instead of working to stop the war.
It's not that hard actually if you have a good education and the ability to quickly find work. I moved relatively spontaneously to a new country recently myself. It's not that hard as long as you are well qualified, which most of these seem to be.
As they say, home is where the heart is. You can make a home for yourself in any free country. that's the beauty of the free world and that's what Ukraine is defending right now.
@@LeutnantJoker but you didnt flee.... to a country that doesnt really want you... with 100s of 1000s of other in a 2 day period. oh yeah... and ur move was a CHOICE
I did exactly that when I had to take my family out of reach of russian war criminals on 26 February. I have no sympathy for the Russians. They are all complicit.
I did exactly that when I had to take my family out of reach of russian war criminals on 26 February. I have no sympathy for the russians. They are all complicit.
This' the sorta thing that can occur whenever an individual has that much power without any check-and-balance system in place.
Thanks God that they choose the right path. Please protect them and their loved ones.
Hi
God is nothing, may good kevlar protect these men.
700k have left as of 2 days ago. If you draft 300k, then this is 1million people of economically productive age. There are approx 80million Russians between 24 and 65. This means that 1 in 80 potential workers have left so far!!!! And these are the brightest and best, so they are probably 1 in 10 of the best Russia has.
That is 100s of billions in lost productivity for Russia. This might actually hurt the economy more than the sanctions!
There are 30 millon men between 21 and 50 in Russia.
Which country is giving them visa
Billions of ₽ millions of $.
@@DAndyLord assuming the average salary is $20k for these 1M that is a direct impact of $20Bn.
But then you are not figuring in the jobs that these 1 million create by using goods and services. Then there is the fact that the companies that hire each of these workers is probably earning multiples of what they pay them in output.
GDP impact will be 100s of billions of $...
If 700k people have left that's not a million. The 300k drafted haven't left. So that's going to effect your calculation. That means less than 1 in 80 million people between 24 and 65. (700k is 0.875% of 80m). How can you say that the brightest of Russia have left without totally disrespecting the rest of Russia lol. I do agree with you about the lost productivity though, that's going to hurt their economy.
Russia is losing so many of its most talented young people. Many have gone to Finland, Georgia, Sweden and Kazakhstan. That is an intangible loss that isn't being factored into the impacts of this war on the Russian economy today and in the future
Even showing up in Alaska asking for asylum. Heard that on the news yesterday.
I feel so bad for the Russian people. Just an absolute outpouring of sympathy. My heart bleeds for them, really.
This would happen even if there was no war and no Putin, albeit at a slower pace.
Russia is just too cold. People seek warmer places, and the young, the able and the wealthy are the first ones to defect.
Oh that's factored in, just not by Russia. But loss of well educated young to middle aged people was something known to be weakening Russia right from the start of the war. They have been leaving for years, there was a first wave at the beginning of the war and now it really exploded.
And many of them won't come back after the war. This will keep Russia down for a generation.
They are not talanted and not very young. Most drafted people are 35+ years old. And fine for refusing to draft is less than 50$. People who run from Russia because of mobilisation are dumbest imbeciles you could ever find.
They need to.
how can one human cause so much discord and misery to so many people!!
"How can I take part in war without a wish to win this war" WOW this says sooo much. Heart isn't in it.
You say sooo little despite thousands of posts
And party girls of Ukraine fighting with russian tourists in Turkey while everyone in Russia don't want NATO countries around them 🤣🤣🤣 what a joke from Pakistan..😁
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire
Perfect quote to send to Trump worshippers
@@zebeart8808 I agree! Ordinary rz people are brainwashed just like the magas are by crap they’re told.
@@zebeart8808 and pro-vaxxers
Anything to say yourself?
You could use that quote about every other country on this planet. Not one single country or empire is innocent of that; including the US.
"Draft Dodger" has a nice ring to it.
Imagine one person doing this.
Educated, savvy, English-speaking - a gift to those countries needing skilled labour. I wish them well.
You might regret that when they take your job.
lots of high paid jobs there 😂😂😂😂😂
Russia does not need these people. They don't have what soviet's call 'fair intelligence'!!
@@memkiii Another person who doesn't understand economics 😅😅😅😅
Smart Russians coming to america. I have hope but I'm aware of how bad put in wants to win
This is the best way to say, NO to WAR.
BS. This is the best way to say, "We're all cowards. Please let us live in your country. If you get in a war, though, we'll run from it, too."
This is not a protest, we fear for our lives and lives of close ones, and when our government (as it always does) changes the rules once again to legally give a death sentence to almost 2/3 of male population, it sure does spark that fear into fight or flight.
Remember the first day? First hour of mobilisation - someone already booked an airplane ticket.
It’s not about cowardliness, it’s about modern world which excludes wars as those are nonsense, but old people still think it’s that time, that it’s ok to bring it up, like it’s ok to even do wars. And for the past 20 years (and that’s a whole generation) we’ve been fed only lies so absurd, that reality itself was so far from it that it sounded absurd. In the 90 there still was freedom of speech, now it’s just a money farm for oligarchs, we can’t say anything bad about government out loud (or at least officially) can’t post it on the internet, all the people who tried to fix the government are either dead or in prison, any protest (even just a small group standing with signs and not even shouting anything) is considered aggressive, all the choices for us were rigged.
For 20 years we, people, had no say in what and how our government does, the only thing we can is either hide somewhere deep in the country which is a bad idea or run away which can not be a afforded by everyone
@@jamesaritchie1 Well, not all people are built for war, you know. People run from wars all over the world, especially from 3rd world countries. It's natural to run away from wars, because was are for soldiers, not for civilians
@@droiddevx03 So be brave and sacrifice your life!
Hell yeah
I feel sympathetic for these young man… stay safe.
Awww love you mother Teresa Johnny with sins will try to be a good kid.
Those who do not make it and are forced into service should seriously consider a revolt.
Or giving themselves to the Ukrainians by waving a white flag.
All the people brave enough to revolt were killed in 1920, ever since then only evil torturing KGB have been kept alive. And corruption has become the law of the land. They're all fleeing because no one wants to die for a corrupt leader. But if they were in the seat they'd love to do the exact same thing.
They don't have the balls for it
All they really need to do is immediately surrender, on arrival in Ukraine.
Maybe they all should just revolt rather than just the few who don’t have an out.
How did one man get so much power. He must be taken out.
why not lead in that initiative?
@@johnbrown3235
I’ll do it.
Edit: ….with assistance from the NSA/CIA, no problemo!
Old U.S. Army war veteran. Shot expert (39/40) with the M-16. It would take just one round strategically placed. With a scope, 600-800 yards would be a snap!
@@dr.jamesolack8504if you say so!!
Omg this is so sad 😔
First russians kept quiet IN PROTEST of the war. Now they're silently fleeing russia IN PROTEST of mobilization. Truly a heroic nation 10/10 would befriend again 👍
All of the police and recruitment officers chasing these men should be sent to the front instead.
Who will defend Putin then?
Some cops have already been sent to Ukraine.
When there's no one left to chase, they will be.
@Sonomacats 5 million police rosgvardia fsb etc in Russia send 1/5 to the frontline and no need to mobilize, but they have to protect the old man hes to afraid
Eventually, they will be. The professional Russian army has already been slaughtered, the untrained conscrpt amateurs are being slaughtered now, and Putin's police/security force is on deck. Putin's biggest threat is his own senior officers and security guards.
Thank you Russian people, for realizing Putin is a "madman"
They have known it long time, they just don't do anything about it. Russians as a people are sort of people who doesn't give a flying F long as nothing affects them, problem is that Russians have long history of just getting by. So they tolerate. And do what is told by their government.
These numbers fleeing doesn't make even a smallest dent on anything and that is the reality of it.
yeah but it took so long.
Most Russians approve of Putin still, if not more than before the war.
@@valkimura1053 please explain?
@@positivelastaction3957 yes because THEY know the real reasons for all this mess
It's a quite complex subject that brings mixed feelings as on one side you can understand not wanting to be drafted to go to war and how scary that might be but on the other hand, these people have stood by and gone on with their lives in Russia while Ukraine was being bombed out day and night. It's not until it could (conditional, not even definitive) affect them directly that they've decided to take some kind of action. Not sure this is to be seen as a refugee crisis. Note: the couple explaining their dilemma in designer clothes and in an apartment with a dining table the size of whole room bring little sympathy to the issue being discussed here.
Yes it is quite complex. We can't read the minds of those fleeing but we can only guess. Some are calling them heroes but are they really? They could be, yes. Deciding to stand up to poutine and not fight for his crazy beliefs. They could also be fleeing because they are afraid to die. We don't know if they are truly against Poutine or they just want to live. The russians who protested on Russian streets are to me admirable and heroes. Risking their lives for something they believe in.
The Russians are not refugees. They are people who do not want to go to war. Ukraine are refugees. They had it hard to get into the US when it should have been easy. The Russians should not be allowed to come to Alaska. Their country was not being bombed. They did not have families killed needlessly. I do not feel sorry for any Russian. They should ban together and get rid of the tyrant.
Matthew 12:25 "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand."
How do you ask someone to die in an unnecessary narcissist’s war??
I’m betting that they would fight if they were unjustly attacked.a very different thing.
You don't. You force them just like Pootin is doing.
Did you ask this question when the US invaded the middle east under false pretenses? You people are such hypocrites it's hilarious 😂
idk..i will ask one of the tens of 1000s of americans who fled the USA during the Vietnam War into my country Canada and get back to you
@@julianciahaconsulting8663 And still vilified for doing so.
@@julianciahaconsulting8663 Are you indigenous ?
Instead of fleeing they should be trying to over throw him
They have no weapons and Putin literally has an army that will mow them down like cattle, remember they have no rights to keep and bear arms.
Putin still has a control of the most guns, so any dissent is either beaten down or shot down.
Exactly! Or they should be going over to help Ukraine defeat him.
Easy for you to say. Even Russia's elites are getting thrown off windows.
How are they supposed to organize?
Those refusing to fight an unjustified war are heroes in the free worlds eyes and hearts! 👍
They are admirable, but definitely not heroes at all. Don’t misuse that word so freely. True heroes are people like firefighters, paramedics, vigilantes etc who put their lives on the line to do righteous, philanthropic actions. Those are the real saints.
@@maydixon-yuras9927 "A person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities." People have different definitions of what a hero is, this is extremely close to what I was taught. I do agree that those people you mention do qualify for the title, however I do not feel that it is only reserved for them.
RUN FOREST RUN!
Victory to Ukraine 🇺🇦
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There is no victory on war.
Yesterday, gasoline rose in America
Next week, the food will go up
And then America will lose its economy and will not support Ukraine 😂🇸🇦🇷🇺
@@Omarksa How about grain coming up in Arab nations? A letter of hunger!
@@Omarksa i highly doubt that.
"When I look into Putins 👁 👁 eyes I see the KGB." Republican Senator John McCain/The last of The Good Republicans R.I.P.
“When I look into Putin’s eyes I see his soul” GEorge W Bush
When I look into Biden's eyes, I see vacancy.
"when I look into Putins eyes, I got a lovin' feeling" D. Trump
@@valkimura1053
Botzzzz for borscht are chirping
John McCain was many things but a good man? Jury is still out on that one.
Recruit: but I've got Bone Spurs. Recruiter: WTF is a Bone Spur?
There is an age old saying; FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL IT ONLY TAKES GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING
At the same time teenagers in Iran are risking their lives protesting another regime.
So? They lives in that regime since 1979. Seems like they didn't rush.
Yeah, religion and government doesn't work. Thank gawd that the U.S. remains a secular nation even though the Republicans are trying to make it into a Christian nation.
@@arturkhaybullin5111 teenagers from 79?
Kudos to them !
Apples and oranges. You're ignoring that there's widespread public opposition in Iran - brave Iranians are clearly sick to back teeth of how fucked up their society is, which is why there's cross-societal protests going on, not just teenagers. It's a different people, culture, outlook - not directly comparable.
I salute these men for not wanting to fight this losing battle!
Found the man who’d run away to Canada
Losing battle..lmao....Russia could take the whole of Ukraine on their lunch break...this is pure propaganda
@@triumphjunkie3792 Are you out of your mind? Russia has shown the world how weak they are. It's ridiculous. It's being going on for months and months. By my estimate, that's a tad longer than a "lunch break". Keep riding the coattail of your dictator. I support the Russian citizens who rebuke this war. I'm not worried about the Russian propaganda puppets like you.
@@triumphjunkie3792 why haven’t they done so yet then? Such a failure.
I'm sure you do. That tells me you know nothing about war, nothing at ALL about Ukraine, and think cowardice is just fine. Yep, only fight for your country if you know you will win, and won't get killed.
Imagine how they much they miss Mikhail now
Putting don wore his welcome out
I was friends with the late Russian Writer Vladislav Tamarov who wrote "Afghanistan: Soviet Vietnam". He passed in December 2014 in Las Vegas, Nevada. He used to stay with me many times in his travels in the U.S. in the mid 1990's. War changes a country in the soldiers who bear it forever in their Souls no matter whether you "win" or "lose". He was a troubled, haunted man scarred for life. Looks like his country never paid any attention to him and learned absolutely nothing. May he Rest-In-Peace.
"He was holding his right leg, but the blood soaked through his fingers and flowed over his hand onto his sleeve. Intuition had served me again this time: my kick had knocked his automatic out of his grasp a fraction of a second before he could press the trigger. The second kick was to his face. It sent him flying about six feet. I set my sights on his head, but something stopped me, one of our guys let out a yelp behind me. Another bullet whistled by right next to me. Apparently, this Mujahadeen was not the only one here. Again, I aimed at his head, but something again stopped me. I saw how his hands were trembling. I noticed the horror in his eyes. “He is only a boy!” I thought and pressed the trigger.”
- The late Vladislav Tamarov (1965-2014) "Afghanistan: Soviet Vietnam".
Looks like Putin himself in his small withered Soul conveniently avoided military service in the Soviet-Afghan War in the 1980's and, therefore, personally learned absolutely nothing about the devastating human spiritual costs of war.
So it goes. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Nobody ever learning anything generation after generation.
Very good comment. Thank you.
Thanks for taking the time to post this. The last paragraph almost made me cry.
Well written. Thank you for your recollection and the excerpt of your friends writing.
With the of chance my comparison is generic, another famous dictator with a small moustache did serve. Quite bravely even.
While waging a brutal war he always shied away from using his chemical weapons because of the horrors he experienced himself (this can't be stated as a fact of course but it's reported by the people that knew him).
A man like Putin must have seen violence. I don't know if he experienced it. It may be he's not held back by anything within his own emotional framework.
@@christinemarshall1366 Thank you. I tried to reply to you at length in good faith but it was deleted by some kind of unfathomable moderation?
Colonel Trautman : You expect sympathy? You started this damn war! Now you'll have to deal with it!
Zaysen : And we will. It is just a matter of time before we achieve a complete victory.
Colonel Trautman : Yeah, well, there won't be a victory! Every day, your war machines lose ground to a bunch of POORLY-armed, POORLY-equipped freedom fighters! The fact is that you underestimated your competition. If you'd studied your history, you'd know that these people have never given up to anyone. They'd rather DIE, than be slaves to an invading army. You can't defeat a people like that. We tried! We already had our Vietnam! Now you're gonna have yours!
Dear Mr. Putins : Tank you for being the single Best RECRUITER for NATO/OTAN with once neutral Finland and Sweden signing up and soon joining NATO/OTAN and hopefully Ukraine will soon follow suit. We would also like to tank you for being the single best ARMs & Munitions provider to Ukraine. Again tanks a million cause we couldn't have done it without you. Sincerely yours, the FREE & Independent and Sovereign people of Ukraine!
Tank you--Freudian slip.
Also just sent a massive wave of educated professionals to all bordering countries. Imagine how the economies of places like Georgia and Kazakhstan will grow with all these doctors and engineers moving there
@@PenneySounds very true
God, you guys are drinking the wests Kool-Aid.
you want a nuclear war do you? If american nukes go into a NATO Ukraine then you will get one - what do you think this war is about anyways?
The real Hero's! Save yourself for your families who need you.
Absolutely
They are not heroes at all. Don’t misuse that word so freely.
The same war that just a couple of months ago, they were all like....what war??
These poor people. Blessed be the peacemakers. May they be safe and find a positive way forward.
Most of these "poor" people are not against war or Ukraine occupation, they do not want to be drafted.
& where are the "peacemakers" during this war? Seems to me that every Western power from the word "go" has been right into supporting this war and profiting from it by sending weapons to the Ukraine to prolong the war! I havent seen Biden do anything to hold peace talks just send more billions of US taxpayer dollars into the black hole of money laundering that is Kiev Ukraine
@@deepseaserenity5552 well noticed, they have been watching peaceful ukrainians getting bombed, killed and tortured for 7 months and didnt even care about it. now their own lives are in danger and they run away.... says a lot about their motivation.
@@deepseaserenity5552 orcs are orcs
Amen.
Good job, that's what they need to be doing, they need to do whatever they can to tell Putin that this shouldn't escalate further.
correction: not protest, saving their skin
These emigrees seem to be largely composed of the best and brightest of contemporary Russia. If there is one thing Russia doesn't need , it's a serious brain drain. Happy birthday Vlad.
Perhaps we can use them in Florida , there seems a serious brain drain there .
Meanwhile back at //Huntington Beach back in the day!
😂 right!
Left behind the one without brains that is the cause of it
@@arlenesecrist354 That's because Florida is a swampy dick that gets washed out every other year in a hurricane. No one should be living there.
With a terrible demographic problem the worst thing for Russia is seeing young people leave. They should replace Vladimir the Dwarf with a garden gnome. They look similar but the gnome would make better decisions.
The fact that he *is* a garden gnome is the root cause for all the „special issues“.
"I am a refugee, and, the aggressor." Interesting point.
Massive massive step towards victory
Afraid of being sent to fight and being against the war are two very different things
Good point
Yup, Russians only care about themselves.
YES!!! They were not protesting that much when war started.
Those positions are somewhat similar. Being afraid to be sent can lead to being against war. Anyway, it is hard to be against war when there are no alternatives to Putin and there is a threat of jail sentence.
@@ItachiUchiha-kb2vh Exactly, it's a bit rich for westerners who live in liberal modern democracies to criticize Russians who live in a brutal dictatorship!🤨
Russia's got their own Vietnam.
They had one in Afghanistan. One nation breaking defeat is usually enough.
Second. They had one already
@@chillvibed USA has a third one coming
More like 🇷🇺 NEVER learned anything (during the Soviet era) from its failed invasion and 10 years presence in 🇦🇫.
Better they leave now than abandoning people on the battle field
Where is the protest?
If I was a young Russian I’d leave too. I have so much respect for these morally right young Russians. 👏👍 ❤️
But they're only fleeing because of the draft, otherwise they would jut stay quiet and keep on living their lives like nothing is happening.
@@Christiangjf So what? Are you saying you would not do the same thing?
May they reach their destinations safely 🙏
Final destination? 😂
My father was drafted by military police to Yugoslavia's civil war 3 times. We as a family suffered a lot since 90's. And yet, everywhere I go around the world they point a finger at me, full of hatred. Everyone, since forever, that I am the aggressor and murderer, even because civil war happened when i was born and i spent my childhood in poverty and hunger in shelters affected by constant NATO raids on the civilian targets in order to press the army to retreat. My country as well suffered much. I know many people who never wanted to be part of the war, and then their village got burned down and family tortured and slaughtered by yesterdays neighbours, that made them animals who have nothing to lose and went on revenge campain to do as much horrific things as they can to "the enemy civilians" so the other side would know the pain. War is horrific, should never be glorified, destroys life for decades in countries. I grew up the way I wish no other kid in the world grow up, no matter skin color, ethnicity, religion or belief. Americans are really spoiled nation, they find way to divide among themselves, being ungratefull for the world suffering in order to provide for their lifestyle and freedom, unaware that their government in order for them to do have that "freedom" is enslaving the rest of the world. To all good people of this world - PLEASE do not seek war. I survived not 1 but 3 wars. I've seen lies of ALL media, not western or eastern. And NEVER condemn the nation. People are more imprisoned in the rest of the world than you can EVER imagine.
You have been through stuff many people can´t even imagine. Honestly? I am Czech, I was following what was going on in Yugoslavia when it was happening, I felt horrified and I was angry that none of the transnational organizations did interfere... But as you say it was a civil war and it was difficult. Yes, Americans did interfere in the end, it was faulty, but what I felt back then was "too late". Not " too faulty" but too late....
Can you imagine that NATo and US would have stopped the madness earlier?
It was a legit horror, whole villages being murdered... Yugoslavia had many major minority islands within the majority "states" and many old grievances...
I understand you are a Serbian from what you write...
That is not a protest, that is just cowardliness
These intelligent young Russians are heros in their own way. It takes enormous courage to do what they're doing. Bravo to them for not mindlessly wandering around doing Putin's dark bidding.
you are doing the CIA's dark bidding by thinking like that
@@julianciahaconsulting8663 why is he doing cia's dark bidding ?
Yeah brave heroes flee the country but stand by genocide 😂… have a seat.
It doesn't take any courage to flee, even if its much better than becoming Putin's cannon fodder. Courage would be going on protests, if those hundreds of thousands fleeing would instead go to streets, it would spark the rest of the passives. There would be a change of regime.
Idk, highly educated people don't risk that much, they find a job easily.
Now putin is fighting a war on two fronts. One at home and another in Ukraine. It appears as if he is losing on both fronts.
I'm Stephen from Missouri and you
To call the orcs scum is an insult to scum. Glory to Ukraine!🇺🇦
What a tragedy !
My hope these men where received well. These two me are a rare bread brave and strong examples of exceptional men worthy of a warm welcome.
You are mistaking cowards, who were perfectly fine with russian atrocities in Ukraine until it didn't personally affect them, with really brave ones that are actually protesting on the streets of russia even when they know for sure that they will be imprisoned.
I have no doubt in my mind that at least some of these Sir Robins were "brave" anti-Ukrainian internet trolls as well. Only when the chance to put their money where their mouth is became a certainty, they "came to their senses" and fled. They deserve no sympathy.
...same hope and wish. . .
that other nations will welcome them warmly...
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I don't understand how do many are calling them 'brave' or 'incredibly courageous'. They approved the invasion, as long as they could watch it from TV. Putin's ratings went sky high when he invaded Ukraine. What's happening now is (mostly, there are obviously exceptions) same people leaving the country to avoid danger to themselves
Talk about crashing the economy - if large numbers of men leave the country or even just quit going to work so they don't get rounded up.
The impact could help the job market if there is now massive demand to fill positions. The jobs that are left behind will favor the domestic side heavily now. Of course with mass conscription those jobs will open up for women.
In order to avoid
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Oh, now I see clear why Hitler started WW2.
He just wanted to let women build guns and planes. He should get more acknowledgment from feminists.
You are just talking utter BS.
@@genericscout5408 Yes, it's a godsend for the Russian economy. You are a genius, you could become Russia's new minister for economic development.
@@genericscout5408 Tbf, you are not wrong, if demand (for jobs) is high and supply (people) is low then salaries should rise.
The only problem is, now the people also have to pay higher prices for goods and services, so also their salaries should rise...
But if the salaries of the customers rise then the incentive for the high in demand jobs is less, so these salaries have to be raised again, etc...
This just creates hyperinflation.
Sad
So many people are laughing at the Russians who are fleeing. What would you do?
Protest and you go to jail/get drafted to the front lines. Agree to fight and you are supporting the war.
Fleeing is basically the only option for them. And it's not without major consequences for their lives. Leaving friends and family behind, having to live in a country where you have no job, no house, no friends/family to help you, don't even speak the language.
These people are basically turning themselves homeless in a foreign country, to avoid having to support this war by fighting in it.
Respect and glory to Kazakhstan!!!!!!!
Russia's brain drain will be legendary 🤣
If a million of the best young educated Russians leave, that is quite a loss to Russia where skilled people are in very short supply.
I live in Portugal and some of the young men are finding their way here. We are generally friendly with all refugees here but to be honest Russians don’t have the best reputation here. I hope these people can safely return home soon and that those here get help that they need.
That sucks!! I truly feel sad for all men and their families
They don't need sympathy, they need support.
@@intenseninja8241 I don't have any sympathy for them most were in favour of the war when they thought Russia was going to win now they may have to fight they run away. The big question is how many of them are sleepers being placed all over Europe and maby that is why Putin has not closed the borders on the Russian side
Let me just say 200000 is a lot of brave men who do not want to be a part of this madman's war
But not brave enough to stand up to the mad man.
@@tarrasacid1612 yeah they dont want to do the hard fighting on ether side. they dont want to standup to there government and from that relationship the government took power from them.
@@tarrasacid1612 Of course not. They would be sent to jail for fifteen years for protesting (spreading fake news of the war). What good would that do?
@@QueenCallisto you know the Ukrainians stood up for their rights in 2013/2014 and took their country back from a despot.
@@tatyanafadden2005 Would any of their sane women and kids wish for them to become criminals? To die or get back home as criminals?
Run
This is no different then citizens in the USA fleeing for Canada and Mexico during the Vietnam war , Russia already has the 300,000 troops needed ,so no reason to flee now
Why call them "DRAFT DODGERS" more like sensible citizens! 🤙Why fight a war they DON'T believe in! Good on them, ANTI War Heroes!!!! ❤️
Wake up. They didn't have a problem with the war until the mobilisation made it their problem.
I'm Stephen from Missouri and you
They are admirable, but they are not heroes at all. Don’t misuse that word so freely.
thank god the young men came to their senses instead of being fodder of the Authoritarian government
Here is the recommended clip that say it :-
ruclips.net/video/QbHAaWyFCz4/видео.html !!
Thank who?
Oh! The irony!
Pray for peace and calm. These events are extremely disturbing and dangerous
Not going to do much good if the governments involved aren't even negotiating for peace.
There is no peace being negotiated. It’s let us control your territory or else…
Reminds me of US Vietnam Draft
Some left but most stayed and protested during Vietnam
They stay and protested, that why US pulled out of vietnam.
Yes the cowards found some way out .
@@rockhard9369 There were race riots drug use and murders of officers is why we pulled out .
@@rockhard9369 Is that what the books say? Because mostly guys, who could afford to, went to college. Most of the protesters were already getting a student deferment, and were not at risk of the draft. And many more young men fled, than protested. Those who could not afford college, or weren't smart enough to get in, went to Canada and South America, and only returned after the war was over. One guy told me of living on the streets in Chile, raiding the trash cans of restaurants for food.
Did he just call himself a refugee??? That's a sick joke. NO Russian leaving is a refugee. What a disgusting thing to say. How dare he.
Don't call them draft dodgers. That has a negative connotation.
Fleeing the draft should be commended. Takes a lot of balls, to be honest.
Human courage has nothing to do with male gonads
Like Trump ? Though tbf he couldn't run on those pesky heel spurs. Lol.
Massive balls
@@erinh9267 its just a thing that we say..Spanish say that expression too
@@erinh9267 Yes it does. For the most part, men are far braver than women. Going back to truly ancient times this has been a fact.
A lot of them supported the war but they don't support the draft
@@icedzinnia if alot didnt support the war it wouldn’t of happened
No. Russians are strong. If they supported the war, they'd fight. They don't believe in the war.
@@russell6075 well it was started on a lie - Putin's lie that Ukraine had invaded Russia and Russia needed to defend itself..so...
@@russell6075 I don't think that's how it works in Russia.
Supported the war? They cant even protest peacefully. Obviously, the option they have is to leave their country.
Interesting that companies are actually enocuraging their employees to leave Russia. I suppose if these are say IT workers they may be able to still do their job adequately from another country.
And who do they think is going to financially support them?!
Between 1965 and 1974 Canada accepted about 250,000 immigrants from the U.S., many of them refusing to be drafter to fight in the American invasion of Vietnam.
Correct but what you don't know is Canada executed all of them.
Ten years vs 2 weeks. Really goes to show
Sadly, now they are trapped in a dictatorship.
Draft evaders
See also: Draft evasion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_resisters_in_Canada
Estimates vary greatly as to how many Americans immigrated to Canada for the specific reason of evading conscription, as opposed to desertion, or other reasons. Canadian immigration statistics show that 20,000 to 30,000 draft-eligible American men came to Canada as immigrants during the Vietnam era. The BBC stated that "as many as 60,000 young American men dodged the draft."[25] Estimates of the total number of American citizens who moved to Canada due to their opposition to the war range from 50,000 to 125,000[26] This exodus was "the largest politically motivated migration from the United States since the United Empire Loyalists moved north to oppose the American Revolution."[2
So, just take the numbers "facts" and multiply it by 2, so as to not make the Russia draft dodgers look so bad..
125,000 in 9 years compared to 350,000 "some estimates are as high as 650,000" in 1 month=same thing gtfoh
AND then North Vietnam won the war ..what does that tell you about the current situation?
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