How Irish are Irish American DNA Test Results?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
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I feel like she doesn't understand the history of Northern Ireland or the Scot-Irish, considering part of her family is from Belfast.
Very understandable. But you have to remember that not all of Northern Irish people are Ulster Scots. I have a parent from both populations and my DNA results show almost equal amounts of Scottish/Irish descent. Not much mixing between the ethnic groups. Given her interest in the Irish language it would suggest not much influence from the Scots Irish. Just saying!
That's what I was thinking... It's possible that some (or all) of her Belfast great-grandmother's ancestors moved to Belfast from Scotland, which did happen during some time periods.
Yes. I agree. She didn’t mention if her Irish ancestors were Protestant or Catholic. If Protestant, expect a lot of overlapping Scottish/Irish ancestry, because they are very close genetically. That’s true for Ulster (the pre-Northern Ireland era) where the English brought in many Scottish settlers to make the Island more Protestant. The actual modern day borders mean almost nothing.
This woman understands nothing about Irish history or Ireland.
I’m 57 percent Scottish and live in the north of Ireland. My dad is 29 percent and my mum is 28 percent. I know my 3X great grandfather came to Ireland in the early 1800s or so, direct descendants of Clan Ross, who have ties to the ancient House of Tara, with DNA to verify a large part of this! One of the reasons why I’m only 27 percent Irish! There’s a small amount to water between Scotland and Ireland. Cromwell sent a lot of Irish to the colonies, especially the Caribbean islands. I’ve 19 trace amounts of regional West Indian ancestry and Louisiana Creole high in other areas of the southern states of America. But………a high percentage of my Scottish DNA ended up in Canada. The main catalyst for this being the Ulster Plantations…..Scottish Presbyterian planters from Ireland fled to the North American continent amidst crippling land rents , mainly Nova Scotia (New Scotland) There’s also a ton of Scottish descendants around New Brunswick and Newfoundland. The microcosm of Scottish DNA around the world is very well travelled, like the Irish. Persecution at home and persecution in the colonies was a reality during British rule. My ancestors were both slave and master, my black ancestors were photographed in shacks, those with mixed Irish and Caribbean ancestry were always photographed in front of vast mansions and dressed with pomp and ceremony
There was something I had to check myself on when it comes to lived experience a few years back. I heard an interview with Paris Jackson and at the time she said *paraphrasing* "I consider myself culturally black." At the time, I, as a black dude, kind of laughed at it, as she is a very obviously white person. But then I was thinking she was raised by the Jacksons. Her entire family is black. Her lived experience is growing up in a black family. It's not for me to laugh or say she ain't black. Lived experience does matter. Sometimes more than DNA
and other times when we are displaced , the DNA really really matters.. like Black Americans with pale skin feeling 'drawn to their country of origin".
she ain't black
You make a great point, re: lived experience sometimes mattering as much or more than actual ancestry. I have a good friend who was adopted from Romania by a Jewish family as an infant. He has absolutely no Jewish ancestry, but he's culturally Jewish because he was raised as a Jew, by Jews, for his whole life. He doesn't have any other cultural identity. He knows that genetically he's probably mostly Romanian, but he has no knowledge of his biological parents and no connection to Romania beyond knowing where he was adopted from.
@@thevocalcrone which country?
Agreed, and honestly that should go without saying. When I was stationed in Korea. I saw countless "Amerasian" orphans who were the children of American soldiers who left Korea and the mother put up for adoption. Many of those children were mixed with American African soldiers. Some of them looked like kids in my neighborhood I knew growing up. They were no less Korean than any "typical" Korean. I really began to question the idea of the genetic components to social behaviors.
We must remember, a lot of Scotts also went into Ireland. My wife's family came that route.
Yes and some of those Scott's were themselves Irish descended from the Irish Dal Raida tribe who invaded Scotland a thousand years before. Oops don't tell an Irish man that they actually invaded Britain first! And yes I come back as 16% Irish myself and my kids are 50% Scottish. Cheers from England
Two parts of mine came that way.
Scots has only one t.
@@johnfinister5011 I'll add that Scotch is a beverage.
@@antonyreyn Oh, we know we invaded Britain first, that's how we got Saint Patrick. We brought him over here as a slave. He eventual escaped and made it back home, before returning as a cleric to spread Christianity in Ireland.
People forget that the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English have been mixing and intermarrying for literally millenia. We have our own identities but we also culturally relate to eachother a lot, and many find it really jarring and unrealistic the way Americans who claim Irish heritage seem to think they are fixed and separate categories.
Yeah the genetics thing is also weird because it’s statistical and based on limited data. So you can be fully Irish but like you said, carry a haplogroup or something associated with wales just because someone moved there a thousand years ago. Also in general, the chances of different alleles and stuff being fully Irish but also associated with non Irish or even non British isles genotypes exist because of historical migrations from thousands of years ago, and where these people’s genes ended up proliferating. So it might say you’re French or something but only because a subsection of the French population happened to be related to people that also moved to Ireland millennia ago. Modern borders and geopolitics don’t help with this at all
Yes, but there are genetic groups within the boundaries of each of these countries because people live there for thousands of years. So you will find genetic groupings that are very specific to certain areas. The mixing was limited with people who could travel at one point, most people couldn’t travel, the way society was set up. Like London has a huge group of Irish DNA, but we know that’s not specifically from London, but we follow it back to Ireland and where their families are from. Now with the plantation error of ulster that’s a whole different story. After the genocide, the great hunger in Ireland, that’s where mixing really happened.
Exactly, its all based off probability and there is always a possibility of an outlier. One individual who is a traveller and from many generations back who was , lets say very active, can skew results and thats just for DNA. Phil Lynott was a proud nationalistic Irish man but his father was from the West Indies
Bite your tongue! The Welsh only mixed with outsiders if they Had to.
Cymru Am Byth 🏴
@@stephanieyee9784 Perhaps that was the case in Wales. But I descend from a man from Wales who came to Virginia in 1630 and had a child with a woman named Sukey who was either an Amerindian or an African. I am fascinated by the Welsh, respect.
There were many Scottish settlers in Nothern Ireland.
exactly the ulster Scots as they were referreed to or the Scots Irish in the Appalachia are a prime example. .
@@HowWeGotHere ancient people have been croeeing the 10 mile sea between Ireland and Sxotland. The populations of Scotland and Irekand is a mixture ofScots, Picts, Celts, and Spanish andRoman, and Anglo saxon. The most Irish of the populaions are people with red hair and green eyesor black haif and brown eyes The surnames used are a mixyure too The americans call them Scot/Irish , but there are also Irish Scots whomoved to Scotland to work
@@sheilanixon913 Yes and the Gaels are from Ireland immediately but DNA test results are only going back so many generations so was talking about more recent history
@@HowWeGotHere DNA tests only go back 8 generations, where they define one generation as 30 years. That’s only 240 years, or to roughly 1784. That’s why all the DNA tests say „recent“ ancestry. I heard some dummy commenting on a white guy having something like 5% Nigerian ancestry and saying, „Oh that’s because we all originated in Africa anyway.“ LOL. WRONG. Those tests don’t go back 50,000-100,000 years.
@@torstenheling3830 Exactly
Her grandmother who came from Belfast, which is in Northern Ireland, may have actually been Scottish, her family may have gone to Ireland during the plantation.
undoubtedly.. its not something those of us who come from that area are really proud of to be honest.. considering it was a few hundred years of tyranny for the catholics. denied education, starved and so forth.. but it is what it is. the "Scoirish".
If she's an Irish Gaelic speaker I very much doubt her Granny was a result of the Protestant plantations.
Until VERY recently intermarriage was just not a thing.
The island of Ireland is only 12 Miles from Scotland at the closest point, people traveled between both countries for thousands of years, telling them apart using DNA testing is going to be hard.
My mother always called herself Irish because her parents were born in Ireland. After they came to America, their home towns fell on the northern side of the new Irish border. They were Protestant. More than twenty years after my mother's death, I tested with AncestryDNA. As the results have become more refined over the years, I have "become" over 50% Scottish. My father was mostly German with some English and a small degree of Scottish. My mother's Irish was actually Scottish. This is borne out by my matches: There are several people who match me in the fourth cousin range, who have exclusively Scottish known ancestry, and who also match cousins of mine. There has to be a common ancestor who lived around 200 years ago. Unfortunately, the scarcity of existing records makes it nearly impossible to trace back to that person via paper trail. Malinda needs to look at her matches, especially the ones who have trees, to find where her Scottish might come from.
scottish people came from ireland anyway, dont worry about it
@@krisinsaigonhave you heard the Irish tell you that they west of Scotland was unoccupied before they took it😂
Regardless of where the manmade border fell she is Irish even if the family identify as British which is more than likely given they were Protestant. Ian Paisley the ardent Unionist is famously quoted as saying "Im as Irish as the cows in the fields" To be British one has to be English, Irish, Welsh or Scots 1st. Scotland is very close to NI, 12 miles and always has been significant movement between the two Islands. The native language of both Scotland and Ireland is very similar, I can understand lots of Scots Gaelic and Scots Irish is recognised as a sub race on both sides of the Irish sea. There is a difference between DNA and what culture one is raised in.
Malinda is great but that NW Europe gene pool hosted a multi-county water polo tournament.
Conan O'Brian's dentist was looking to branch out so he asked Conan if he could do a DNA test on him. A week later the dentist informed him that the results had come back and were astonishing, Conan O'brian is 100% Irish, his dentist told him that this very rare that nobody anymore is 100% anything.
My dad was 98 Irish and 2 scots, so yeah bit like Conan. Dad is direct line of his Irish last name so Conan prob is too.
I saw him interviewed on, I think, Stephen Colbert one night. He was talking about that and explained Why he is 100% Irish. Apparently it's to do with the area his family is from and they stick together.
I don't think the Scottish component is very mysterious at all. History can help. Northern Ireland, or Ulster, was purposely settled by Scottish people. In America, we refer to them as Scots Irish, and Americans with roots from Pennsylvania south will most likely have Scots Irish ancestry. I should think her Northern Irish great grandmother contributed the Scottish markers. In addition, there was English settlement in Cromwell's time in Northern Ireland, so there could be English markers as well. Some percent of Irish from a more distant ancestor plus whatever her great grandmother contributed could easily come to 15%.
Northern Ireland and Ulster are not synonyms, Northern Ireland merely contains 6 of Ulster's 9 counties (Fermanagh, Derry, Tyrone, Antrim, Armagh and Down) the rest (Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal) are in the Republic of Ireland.
Yay I'm so familiar with her channel, I'm glad u did this one
Im kinda in the same boat as malinda with polish, my adopted mom raised me from 4yrs old to 15yrs old in a polish household and had a lot of polish influence in my life. I was even raised polish Roman catholic and baptized as such
As a genealogist I see people conflating ethnicity and nationality all the time. They're two different things.
There was a migration of Scottish Protestants that went to Ireland. They considered themselves British. That's how we have Northern Ireland still in the UK.
I wonder if most of her Irish is part of the Scots than came to Ulster province.
You forgot Belfast is northern Ireland with more Scottish and English colonists.
My very Irish grandmother, who still spoke Irish, didn't consider Belfast real Irish at all. Plantation people. You've not got one drop of English blood in ya, she'd say. Turns out, she was right. Most of my ancestors came from the west coast of Ireland.
The dearth in Irish records is maddening, all we really have are spotty church records, land valuations, and penal records - plus we lost the 1890 census here in the US.
For my colonial English ancestors (mayflower and the Puritan wave) and for another line back to Lancashire those records are abundant. Another line from Blackburn is harder to nail down, but they weren’t as affluent
It’s so frustrating. These people, largely illiterate and poor, deserve to be remembered. Me, trying to give them a history and just note the fact they were alive and mattered when there are few to no records is maddening.
A huge amount of Irish records were kept in the customs house, a building that was considered a tool of British administration in Ireland. Consequently it was attacked and purposely set on fire during the war of independence of 1921. Sadly a huge amount of records were lost. Because of poverty, Irish people didnt tend to move around much so family names are strongly identify with certain areas which can help to narrow down the parish for church records. Of course this also increases the number of people with the same name in that area too.
My dad is a huge genealogy buff and it's the same way with his family. Similar background to yours I imagine, son of Irish immigrant married into Boston brahmin family. The family tree of his English quarter goes back centuries but the Irish parts go back only to when those ancestors emigrated. He traveled there a few years ago and tried to do additional research but didn't find anything new. Part of it is that he knows where his great-grandfather was from and that his parents were named James and Mary, but there were lots of James & Marys with our surname in that city.
I have a definite paper trail on my Welsh side since I found the ship records where they immigrated in 1850 and the christening records for my great-great-grandmother & her siblings and the marriage record of her parents in Wales. Also records in the Ironworks where her father worked as a coker.
Just an FYI re Belfast - these folks are often lowland Scots by ancestry.
I think many people in Northern Ireland are Ulster Scots which must mean they're Scottish living in Ulster, Ireland.
Indeed and they were happy to identify as simply Irish until a few decades ago. And when , and if, they travel to England they find the locals there regard them as Irish. 😂
My third great grandfather was Scottish and moved to Ireland and came back to Scotland with his Irish wife and their children including my great great grandfather.This moving back to Scotland happened during the potato famine.Maybe her Scotish ancestors just moved to Ireland and then moved to US and their descendants didn't know they were Scottish.i 'm sure I read that they moved English and Scottish people to Ireland to convert the Irish from being Catholic to Protestant.
The English and Scottish colonial settlers were invited by their English and Scottish overlords to a neighbouring island which they invaded and conquered, not to convert the indigenous inhabitants but to supplant them. The locals, who practiced pastoralism with supplemental cereal agriculture were seen as not exploiting the land as the English did in England and so the land could be taken from them without too much guilt or anxiety. A lot of killing ensued and the news of massacres by the Irish on the colonialists were widely reported through pamphlets in the English language. The natives were “othered” and this model of colonialism was then exported to the New World ( America) by the very same colonial entrepreneurs especially Walter Raleigh and his ilk. Many settlers in Ulster were enticed to move further west across the Atlantic and were granted the right to settle the mountains to the west of the east coast colonies, as a bulwark against the natives. These are the ancestors of those who now identify as UlsterScots to distinguish themselves from the Irish who are associated with later Famine era Catholic immigrants.
Keep in mind that Belfast was part of the Plantation of Ireland. So, that means that a good portion of the people there are of English and Scottish ancestry and not native Irish.
The Scots originally came from Ireland. Scots and Irish are one people. Gaels.
Interesting video! And she made good points about culture and identity at the start. When it comes to the DNA though, it definitely seems like just a lack of knowledge about the Ulster Scots and where Belfast is. Common mistake. Even the English make this mistake to be honest! Shame she hasn't embraced more of her Ulster Scots or Scottish heritage too! Although maybe she will now!
FYI - I'm from from Belfast, as are the vast majority of my ancestors for the last 400 hundred years! Yet I'm 71-99% Scottish (depending on the DNA company)
I remember a very blonde scotttish and north dutch guy and he got a lot of scandinavian 😮
she could have been an ulster-scot. the naming convention she talked about with every other generation is a tradition in outer herberdies and to some extent other parts of the Celtic world. its found in Northern Ireland since a lot of Scots left for there during various clearings. I know someone that can trace their family tree to the isle of sky that's like is named like this and the path was isle of sky to norther Ireland to North Carolina to Mississippi
The new MyHeritage updates are out, at least for me. I think they are much improved and more specific. I came out: Scottish, Welch, (including Great Britain and Ireland) at 50.6%; English (from England): 46.8%; and French 2.6%. And that was it. 0.00% on everything else. The old results were 64.8% Irish, Scottish, Welch; broadly Northwestern European: 25.7%; Italian 3.1%, and Finnish 6.4%. Again, 0.0% on everything else. 23 and Me has me at 92.4% British/Irish, with very high confidence in Northern and Central Scotland and Northern Ireland; French/German: 6.1%, Scandinavian 0.6%, then broadly Northwestern European at 0.7%. I got a trace reading of 0.2% North African (Morocco, Libya, that area), but that is VERY trace and I have no known ancestry from that region. I think it’s a false reading: It disappears entirely on the 23 and Me confidence slider at 70% confidence level. And this is pretty consistent with the other sites I uploaded to. I uploaded to all the other free sites. They gave me roughly the same results. Other than British/Irish, French and German the other sites found no other ethnicities (other ethnicities were all 0.0%.) They are pretty consistent, with 88% British/Irish, German/ French, Scandinavian, etc. (Familytreedna, ADNTRO),except ADNTRO had about 3% Iberian Peninsula, with 0.0% on every other ethnicity. I highly doubt the Iberian reading. I think the company, based in Spain, wants to give everyone a little Iberian Peninsula ancestry.
The typical brick wall in Irish genealogy is around 1800. It is very difficult if not impossible for most to push back past that. It is past the usual viability of atDNA for genealogy. Y-DNA can help in the direct paternal line.
My family from N Ireland actually turned out to be ethnically Scottish. Scottish covenanters exiled from Scotland that fled to Ireland (Belfast and area). So the red hair is still legit, lol. This is all verified with DNA and ancestry research
My dad was 98 Irish and 2 scot. .my mother is mainly Irish and I have Icelandic from her as well but a lot of Irish decent in Ireland and Faroe Islands.
if her great great great great grandmother was irish, that would make her 1/64th irish on her mother's side, if her paternal great gandmother was irish that would be 1/8th irish, so she is 9/64ths irish.
Which is about 14%. Very well calculated.
I love Malinda!
I am Irish Catholic and know about a few generations back. Would like to dig further.
She's a character, if she digs who knows. It's definitely a learning curve for her. I hope she does.
It could be the amount of Northern Irish ancestors (many Scottish settled in N Ireland at one point in time) adding up their scottish genes between them has kept those Scottish genes more plentiful in today's generation?
An element from Belfast, if descended from the plantation settlers then that would potentially show as Anglo-Scots DNA.
Weren't the settlers Presbyterian? Family religious history might help.
My family’s Irish story: our Hebrides Islands Scottish family history (printed in the 1960s) shows the origins were from an ancient Irish King, Nile of the Nine Hostages. A few years back when the Vikings settlement became more well-known in popular culture, we began widespread DNA tests. Guess what? Our clan is not Irish at all. We have Viking heritage! Also showed a small percentage of Sardinian. Lots of new info. and fun. 😅😊😅
That is hilarious and astonishing.
So is red hair a aboriginal celtic thing? Or scando viking? Ik blonde hair is def scando also blue eyes too and fair skin ofc
Ciao io e mia madre abbiamo fatto test mhyerirage e sia io ho molte corrispondenze da paesi dell est che hanno origini dell asia meridionale e asia e qualcuno greco e italiano sud poi mia madre ha molte corrispondenze anche se sono un po tea 4 5 cugini da paesi cone albania e romania noi siamo del sud italia puglia che vuol dire?
My mom was born and raised in Wexford County Ireland so I'm 44% Irish. What was surprising is that I'm also 35% Scottish as my dad's family traces back to Germany. I'm only 7% German. The other surprises was 19% English and 1% Welsh. Genetics are fascinating.
My husband, like both his parents, have 100% autosomal Irish DNA on 23and me, ancestry, MH, and FTDNA. His paper trail if it can be relied upon is 200 years solid on that placing them solidly in Western Ireland, primarily in Connacht. I think he’s more genetically Irish than some living there today - I’m pretty sure that western Ireland has more homogenous ancient Irish DNA (his mom has U5a1 from the earliest settlers, he and his dad are downstream of R-m269 from the later Bell beakers I assume.)
When our ancestors came here to Boston post-famine (and I’m about 80% autosomally and on paper myself also from Galway) they settled right in Irish American enclaves and only intermarried other Irish. His grandmother in fact would tell her kids very adamantly to only marry other Irish - I don’t know if they did it to keep their identity or what but it’s wild.
Sounds like my family. My dad is 100% Irish American. His parents were both Irish Catholic and his maternal grandparents were Hastings from Connacht. His paternal great grandparents were also from Ireland, but I'm not sure where because of scant records.
When I took my DNA test I found out some interesting things, mostly due to my mother's mixed ancestry, and was my main reason for taking the test. My maternal grandmother was Metis, so I was curious to see if I inherited any native DNA . What showed up was that my ancestry is so mixed on the Canadian side that it is basically called Southwestern Quebec French Settlers. There was a lot of intermarriage between European fur trappers and the Natives along the St. Lawrence River French, Scottish, and Northwestern Europe married into Mohawk families as a way to solidify commerce and business relations along the river. My grandmother's grandmother was 100% Mohawk, and I was able to fins a picture! She sat front and center, and all her Metis children and her French husband stood to either side of her. Pretty amazing.
44% Irish, 21% England and Northwestern Europeans, 20% Scottish, 13% French, 2% Germanic European.
There aren't any Métis in eastern Canada. They're just called mixed First Nations. Métis are only in Saskatchewan and are descended from Louis Riel's (French Canadian) people who intermarried with the Cree Nation people in that area.
Great channel can you do one on Ukrainians or Polish. Thanks
The weird thing about Ancestry is that it said 57% Germanic European which is indeed true because I am very Dutch, with some German and Belgium ancestors and maybe Northern French. but then I have 28% English, 11% Norwegian, 2% Danish-Sweden, 2% Scottish. What the hell is the 2 % Scottish coming from and the others XD. I literally have not found any English or Scandinavian ancestors so far and I added 1969 family members so far.
"Actually Irish" of course brings up the fallacies that these types of products encourage. There is no fundamental thing in this universe that is "Irish", or Italian or Iranian etc. These sort of cultural labels are applied to populations that are always in transition. The idea of fixed "ethnicities" is deeply creationist. That is why I always stress to people that these tests are *similarity* tests, measuring how similar you are to groups of people who are selected because of their relatedness the past few centuries.
Funny thing the tryirish channel has a couple people who came up as 99% or 98% irish on these kits
@@invadertifxiiiAnd Conan O’Brian had a 100%, according to his doctor friend.
A voice of reason in a sea of "I want to be Irish".
I'm a Gen X and a grandmother myself. I have my family tree built out to 4G Grandparents (except for 4) and the earliest 1 was born was 1787 while the latest 1 died was 1930.
My tree doesn't really jive with the date ranges you provided for Gen Z 3 or 4 G Grandparents.
I think most of us get attached to a couple specific ancestors, but it's easy to forget how many people you descend from going back just a couple generations. There are bound to be a lot of them that you just don't know a whole lot about. I think she has the right mindset here. It's not something to be upset about, it doesn't change the person she is.
Hi! I love her channel and really enjoyed this "crossover" 😄
I don't know if you answer questions in comments, but in case you do I'm curious: you say at the beginning that if she has Irish ancestry her results will show a variety of NW European ethnicities. I'm wondering about the other way around: could DNA tests pick up on "Irish" ethnicity in NW Europeans from various places without necessarily meaning we have recent Irish ancestry?
Context: I'm French and from the paper trail a huge part of my ancestors, going centuries back, were too. But when I took a MyHeritage DNA test, the highest result (40%ish) was "Irish, Scottish and Welsh" (includes Britons, though i don't have any known family from Brittany). My results uploaded to FamilyTreeDNA and Genomelink also gave 30% Ireland or split 15/15 between Ireland and Great Britain.
As mentioned I've looked into the paper trail, but wasn't able to go as far back in every single family line, plus i have a grandparent who we know was an illegitimate child, so I'm curious whether this prevalence in my test could indicate an Irish greatgrandparent or such, or if it's just how MyHeritage might read French / generally Western European heritage.
Sorry for the long post, thank you to anyone who reads this far whether or not you answer 😄🫶
Yes, it does work the other way around. Anyone from any NW European population will likely see readings from other NW European populations, so someone who is French may see Irish readings even if they have no Irish ancestry. Looking at your specific question, I think there is a strong case that you may have actual Irish ancestry, but still a possibility that it's just a false reading due to the NW European connection. The biggest thing being that you have a large unknown chunk of your family history, especially with a grandparent who was an illegitimate child. One way to get a better idea of the likelihood is to look at your DNA matches and see if you can identify people with mostly Irish ancestry (try to go off the family trees more than their DNA ethnicity readings). If you do have a grandparent or great grandparent who was Irish then you would likely see a lot matches with mostly Irish ancestry. If you can also find connections between these matches (maybe you find two matches who are 1st cousins to each other), then you know that you would be related to them through that shared ancestry, giving you a starting place to determine how you actually connect.
My Irish went to Quebec prior to crossing the border into Maine prior to 1850. Finally found a notation on a marriage record that says the father came from County "Entrim". Still trying to figure out the town land of origin.
Northern Ireland could have been responsible for the higher Scotland reading if they were an Ulster Scot. Back when the King wanted to push down the Catholic Irish so he offered their land to anyone in Scotland who was Protestant...many Scottish took him up on the offer so many in Northern Ireland were actually of Scottish heritage.
I am breton, the celtic part of France, and my DNA test is spread between about 70% british-irish (i.e. celt), about 20% french-german (the influence of the Franks) and the rest is broadly north western european. So before I see her result, I would say that for her to be 100% Irish (i.e. both her parents are only irish), she would need to hit something like 60-80% british-irish and the rest broadly north western european, with hints of scandinavian (Vikings in places like Dublin).
You don't have to be Irish, to play Irish music or appreciate Irish culture but for those of us who are Irish, it does mean more, as it is our culture. Good luck with trying to trace your Irish ancestry in Ireland, we've got next to no records before 1850 - they all went up in smoke, in the Irish Civil War. On average, most Irish people, have about 3% Scandinavian DNA and that is probably down to Viking raids. Also, her great grandparent, may have been from an Ulster Scot background, that could also explain her high percentage of Scots DNA. Because of the random distribution of autosomal DNA, from parent to child, there's a lot of DNA that seems to cling on, through the generations. If this person, wants to identify as Irish, that's no skin off my nose, my father, was never particularly proud of being Irish, whereas, my mother was. Adh mor lei agus fagfaidh me slan.
I'm stunned how similar my Ancestry DNA profile looks to this lady's (I'm from the UK with a bit of ancestral Irish) We have the same five countries in the same order, but my Scottish is a few higher and my others a smidgen lower 😊
As others have said, Scots-Irish (or Ulster Scots) from the north of Ireland... so she's more Irish by nationality because her ancestors lived in Ireland, but she is more Scottish by blood. Makes sense to me!
Tell me about it especially if you can't find any mention of town, county etc in the North American Records. Plus a lot of repeated common names. I have my 3rd GGF John Nash Married Mary Wasl, Welch or Welsh I have found 3 different recordswith 3 different maiden names. But from looking around where they settled in Nova Scotia. I am almost sure they are from Walerford and the name is Walsh though I can find a John Nash and Marg Welch that would be right time line in cork
I would say that her ancestry is Scots-irish, i.e., Scots that settled in Northern Ireland. As a large number of these people emigrated to America, and no real Northern Ireland until 1923. So saying you are Irish would be true, but in the world of today she as said, is likely to be Northern Irish/ Scots-Irish.
The results consist of the percentage of DNA she pulled from her parents. For example, my biological sister and I have Russian ancestry. My sister has a greater percentage than I do. Her 15% means nothing more than the fact that genetics only pulled that percentage.
Yep! So much ancestry not represented in DNA tests because that DNA just wasn't inherited.
Considering that a lot of ancestors of Scotish people's ancestors came to Scotland thousands of years ago it isn't surprising she would get Scottish if she's from Ireland since perhaps they went back at some point and had children.
As my son as reminded me constantly, sometimes where you "come from" is not necessarily your genetic origin. This is will be true for recent immigrants to Northern Europe who are from countries like Chile, Turkey, West Africa...when their great grandchildren look into their DNA!
Ooooh I love her hair, I like her hair color. My aunt has a tiny lil Irish 3% I think it was, my dad has Scotland 1%, I have 3 or 4% British Irish.
Its funny because she says theres no Scottish names, but mentioned the surname Hall and thats a Scottish surname😂
Growing up I thought I had near zero Irish. No red hair genes. I do have known Scottish and English. Often I get a large amount and found much among my mom side was in the Southeast US.
How far back in time do these test go? 500 years? 1000 years? ……People have been moving around forever …so If my great- parents were born in Ireland - but if their parents came from Germany…. Or some other country… it’s hard to tell…either way I find it incredibly fascinating reading all the old articles and learning more about my ancestors….. I just wish it was more clear how far back the test go to determine the %……(perhaps it’s posted somewhere and I’ve missed it)
If her family is from Belfast, not a surprise that she has Scottish DNA whatsoever. I’m 97% Irish DNA. 3% Scottish being 2% on my mother’s side and her great grandmother was from Belfast. Who later lived in Limerick. My dad family is from co Mayo. We knew we had family and co Tyrone and more than likely that where the Scottish came from since that’s what my dad was told. He was born in Mayo grew up in the US. I also have cousins in Ireland, which is made a lot easier. It’s funny as my irish cousins find it amusing when I asked all these questions they were like we here for God sakes! lol
I'm 41% Irish, 32% English/Northwestern Europe and 27% Scottish.
As an Irish American, I had two great great grandparents who migrated from Ireland, one who migrated much earlier from Scotland and the other here from pretty much the beginning of America from England.
My info is from AncestryDNA. Everything we have learned lines up with what we were always told by parents, grandparents, etc.
It shows dna matches in Ireland, England and Scotland as well as Canada, Australia and more.
I agree with you that you can be one ethnicity and be raised by another ethnicity and that then becomes the culture you identify with. My parents who raised me were Hispanic, my DNA comes from my biological parents one who apparently had ancestors from Great Britain and the other who I know that is dependent from people who left Albania when the Turks invaded and ended up in Sicily. If you ask me what I am I will say Hispanic because that is the culture I identify with.
I had a funny thing in my history. My Mom used to say we were German, English, Irish, Dutch, Scotch and Welsh. She made a family tree in my baby book (now sadly lost.) I went through it and I could see the German, English, Irish, Scotch & Welsh, but no Dutch, I asked my Mom, where was the Dutch? She replied, "Of course we're Dutch: Pennsylvania Dutch!"
I traced my family in Ireland to the mid 1500s, but I don't have a lot of Irish blood. I think I have maybe 4%. I'm mostly Scandinavian, which really surprised me.
Why is that such a surprise, or maybe you don't know about the Viking history of Dublin and other towns in Ireland?
My dad paid for our ancestry test like 3-5 years ago. It came back originally at 74% Irish which had me 0_0 I was expecting 25% as my my dad's mother said there was Sweden/Denmark and Irish in her. The updated results are like 64% now which is more acceptable for me. But I go no markers from Sweden and Denmark but my dad did, yes I got his Chinese markers from China and the Taiwanese markers, which was dad's dad who was also Chinese and Irish. My mother's side we believe was Scot but it was also Irish with the Scot along with Polynesian which was 25% (it blew open an affair that was unspoken), my mother's dad that we knew growing up blonde hair blue eyed English, that didn't show up at all. But the Polynesian which has now been split into NZ Maori and Hawaiian directly down the middle, then it said Dai and I was like wait more Asian? On my mother's side but because of the unspoken affair I can't paper trail any of the Asian or Polynesian. Been helping dad paper trail all his Irish but we can't paper trail the Asian there, because the names were spelt on documents incorrectly. I've only recently corrected it so I can paper trail the name, also trying to learn Chinese so I can finish up, it's just a really really common Chinese last name lol.
I find it strange that she spells her name Malinda rather than Melinda. It would be the latter spelling that I would imagine being more common in Ireland. Could the name have been changed spellin-wise on arrival in the United States? The Scottish ancestral link may come from Plantation stock in Ulster.
My family (both sides) came over with that great migration from Western Europe down through Pennsylvania South to about Georgia, I think. My immediate ancestors settled in a tiny town where all the surnames were German or from the UK. It wasn't unusual to find that you were distantly related to people to whom you were not closely related. My brother caught the genealogy bug, so we all dutifully donated spit to the cause.
ĶThe results came back: 100% Western European. You don't say!!! I could have told you that‐-I want my money back.
So I came out west and married a lovely Hispanic boy; our oldest son married a woman with Chinese ancestry. Our daughter's husband is of Portuguese/Italian descent. My three grandchildren have joined my quest to help stamp out boring DNA.
I was born in Scotland with both parents/grand parents etc all being Scottish right back to 1843 were my Irish ancestry started I was thinking when I did mine I would have a mix of both Scottish and Irish - imagine my surprise when I discover Ive no Scottish dna but have 95 percent Irish
The Belfast connection could easily be Scotland and Scnadinavian, maybe Ehglish.
Part of the difficulty of the North Western European populations, so many possibilities of what each reading could indicate.
According to my 23andMe results, I am well over 50% English and Irish. My surname is Scots-Irish: Mc is very Irish, meaning 'son of'. Mac is the Scottish equivalent. The second part begins with 'G' (very Scottish) while the Irish version of the name has a 'Q'. According to a hanger worker at Air Lingus, there are lots of people with that surname in the North of Ireland. Neither I, nor any of my siblings looks particularly Scots-Irish but if you see our ancestors, it starts to make sense. LOL.
In both Ireland and Scotland it can be Mc or Mac and they have both in either country. It is all from Gaelic meaning son of or descendant.
The real question is why have we been programmed to deny our ancestral identities…occupiers always enforce a program of no right of return to our ancestral homelands
What is the matter with Americans? Why do they have to pretend they are any nationality but American? I'm more Irish than she is and I'm English. Her DNA is more English than I am and I'm English.
We are a nation of immigrants who are curious. Nothing wrong with that.
Lmao halls in Ireland came from Scotland more often then not, sometimes Wales it's not an indigenous name
X is a crap shoot. It's a chaotic path because you never know which X you got. Y is the only direct roadmap. My X came from my mom. But she had two. One from my maternal grandfather, and one of two from my maternal grandmother, both of which had TWO possible X lines that they could have recieved, who also had two, and so on, and so on. You can see how this gets messy really, really fast. As a male, I know that I am a descendant through Niall and the Nine Hostages. I have his Y chromosome. I also can match up to a few male archeological digs, and trace a rough roadmap back thousands of years. All my variability comes from my maternal lines. Which is why we trace back through our paternal line as men. For our daughters it's much much harder. Whose Xs did she end up with?
I have ancestry front donegal and Irvinstown as well as derry. But my Derry ancestry came from Scotland.
My family was mostly Scottish people who moved to Ireland.
Irish Catholic. One Irish Catholic great gram born in Belfast. Two born in Mayo as well as a grandparent. Two more great grandparents born in the south. Another great great grandparent I’m not sure which part of Ireland from further back in time. I have a wee bit of polish and German through one of my four grandparents. I was coming up 75% -92% Irish on the DNA tests. I also grew up in the U.S. 4th largest neighborhood to identify as being Irish. They say I have some distant relatives in Scotland and England. Think that is why those areas highlighted. I tend to have the Irish features so I supposed that is why I’m reading more Irish and almost no German. Also highlighted at some point was a tiny island off the coast of western Ireland. Possibly a relative in Iceland. No surprise. Invasions and kidnapping I suppose. A different test kit 23 and me. I think some are better at dividing the region than others.
That Scandinavian was probably those pesky Vikings. They were everywhere.
Please be aware of paperwork issues with people with low English language literacy on one side and low Gaelic literacy in the receiving country's immigration processors. Names were misspelt, altered and even made up.
So, according to my Ancestry DNA I am 99% Northwest European, and the ad-mixture doesn't exactly match the paper trail. Also, keep in mind that a lot of Americans genetically isolated themselves for a few hundred years. What I mean by this is that colonial and later early American populations didn't intermarry outside of their culture. So, if the majority of your ancestry comes from Colonial American people groups it can be more difficult to isolate specific European peoples within your overall Northwest European DNA.
If you do a DNA test and they claim that you are x percent "Irish" or "Scottish" etc: you were conned. #
@9:45 The percentages you give assume no chromosomal crossovers during meiosis, which is rare. This is a problem with these chromosome percentages: they assume absolute mathematical precision, which "ain't what biology do!" The fact is that, for example, as a male, if your sister inherits from the grandparents that you do _not_ inherit from, your genetic match could be close to zero. (For same-sex siblings, females must, at least, share their paternal X chromosome, while males must share their father's Y chromosome. All the other, _somatic,_ chromosomes are up for grabs, through the meiotic roll-of-the-dice.) The exception to all this is that all siblings have identical mitochondrial DNA, and those mitochondria make up 10% of your body weight.
You didn't mentiom that her grandmother from Belfast could have beena source of her Scottisd ancestry.
The Swedish/Danish may be from northern Germany since it borders Denmark
See i'm not sure about this. if you speak to Aboriginals - they say its in the 'blood' and that the blood 'calls you home' if you speak with most people of Irish descent they are 'called' to at least go for a visit. However, there is Irish and there is Irish. Most of my family line is from Catholic and Dublin stock then there is the Templepatrick Scottish line that left in the early 1800s to Australia. When you talk about DNA. We know logically there will be some 'English blood' in the mix over the last few hundred years, however my DNA doesn't show any at all. I am 67% Irish and 33% Scottish. My father is 75% Irish (and yet we know that his line came from Templepatrick in Antrim and were Protestant).
She's genetically less Irish than me. And I'm English. 😂 Just goes to show that genes aren't the be all and end all.
Welsh, Irish, Scottish, English people are all indigenous to the British isles, all the indigenous British people of the British Isles are mainly Celtic(Welsh, Irish, Scottish) with between 10% to 40% Germanic(English, Scandanavian) DNA mixture.
It could also be a paternity issue where the father on the birth certificate isn't the biological father somewhere in the past
In a large family, the youngest child could actually have belonged to one of the daughters - so there's a father that's not accounted for in the paperwork. A lot of adoptions were unofficial - e.g. a poor relative or friend had the chance of a live-in job as a maid and could not take their baby, they were going through hard times, or better-off people had trouble conceiving.
Although the ancient Romans had rules for adoption, legal adoption is quite a recent thing in the UK and most of Europe. As you say, maternity is usually a matter of fact but before DNA testing paternity was a matter of opinion. That's why royalty and nobility used to have bishops and courtiers present at the birth, so at least motherhood could be verified.
Sooo she's probably half Ulster-Scots and the other half British with some possible north west German/Dutch.
She was just expecting more Irish.
If an Irish family was Catholic, the family records might be available from parish or diocesan (?) archival records going back to the 1700s. (Before that, it was too dangerous for Irish clergy to keep the meticulous records expected in Catholic countries under the canons of the Council of Trent because the priest was a fugitive in those days and Mass could be had only in somebody's home or on a "Mass-rock" in Penal times.) If the family was Church of Ireland, on the other hand, most of those records very likely were burnt to ashes in the Four Courts fire from during the fighting between pro-treaty and anti-treaty forces in the early 1920s.
In some cases the English army burned churches in the early 1900s. You gotta be ready for that.❤
Reese is my last name also. But I am 49% Norwegian and 4% Welsh🤷♀️
Ancestry says this Chicagoan is 97% Irish and 3% Scottish.
Three things are often forgotten by those claiming Irish or Scottish origins. (1) The Highland Scots were Celtic migrants who left Ireland and settled the western, highland part of Scotland-(Scottish) Gaelic is an older form of Irish. (2) The area around Dublin was heavily settled by Norwegian Vikings. (3) Cromwell and his minions sent boatloads of Protestant Scots and northern-English settlers into the island of Ireland, into mainly, but not limited to, the area that is delimited as Northern Ireland, today.
The potato picking farms Scottish went over to Ireland with families for 1898-1920
Could be this also
My AncestryDNA
Results
Scotland 81%
Ireland 9%
England northwestern Europe 6%
Norway 4%
As a female though, aren't her results only reflecting her mother's side? Wouldn't she need a male sibling or cousin's results to get the full picture? I'd like to know my father's family history and this part always confuses me.
Not quite. What you are confusing are different styles of DNA tests. There are three types of DNA testing: Mitochondrial DNA testing, Y-chromosome DNA testing, and Autosomal DNA testing. Mitochondrial DNA is what shows your purely maternal side (mother's mother's mother, etc) and can be taken by anyone. The DNA tests females can't take is a Y-DNA test because they only inherit X-chromosomes for their sex chromosomes (an X from mom and an X from dad), whereas males inherit a Y-chromosome from their dad and an X-chromosome from their mom. The Y-chromosome is used to look at the purely paternal line (father's father's father, etc). The test Malinda takes is an autosomal DNA test (testing the 22 autosomes), something both males and females have and can be used to look at the entire family tree. One thing that may help in understanding is when you hear "23 pairs of chromosomes", the first 22 pairs of chromosomes are your autosomes and the last pair are your sex chromosomes.
@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts Thank you for explaining!! I hope I'm understanding now. You are saying that I can find my relatives on my father's side with an autosomal DNA test, right?
Correct!
You can't trust your family stories. My middle name is Irish-American. It literally doesn't exist in Ireland but people who are smarter than I am have researched and guessed a few names that it might have evolved from in Ireland. My grandmother who that name came from only ever talked about being Irish. I've come to find german, substantial about of dutch in the form of early new amsterdam, among generic NW Europe in the paper trail. I love DNA tests for what they are but they're nowhere near as fun as the paper trail search.