More realistic Schlieffen gameplay is pushing up to an island, slowly getting closer to secondary range and finding out that all your DDs are already dead and the rest of the team is hiding behind your CV xD
I'm finding that too, but they come out for behind you for a moment to steal your kill after your 2nds spent 120+ seconds melting down a ship or two to 100 hp
I'm a DD mostly, I just LOVE looking up during a running fight to see half the team dead and the rest cowering in the back like Trekkies at a school dance
So it's basically the good ol' glorious Graf Zeppelin smoke crawler div, except that instead of the occasional plane there's occasional main gun salvo.
And i saw a 330k damage replay of it. The guy did the same thing with 2 Lo Yang divmates. Zeppelin secondaries are(were?) more accurate though. Schlieffen has an average 30% hit rate, Zeppelin has over 40% But i think secondary meme Zeppelin is history, as you cannot choose secondary skills for a CV any more😢
That was me in the Austin who charged with nothing left to lose near the end. We called out exactly what that division was going to do at the beginning but honestly, better payers are just better players, good game.
A coordinated group of even average players, especially when it's purpose built to run a fairly absurd exploit, is all but certain to stomp the opposition. Hope you had a decent game regardless; I suppose it might have been interesting to have been on the other side watching, LOL.
@@steeltrap3800 Only real way to counter it would to have radar cruisers light up the DDs and everyone together target them. Once the DDs are gone, its simple to focus down the schlef.
Secondaries are my favorite weapons in WoW. I remember people trying to do all sorts of secondary builds in German ships years ago from the Bayern and onward. Last one I think I saw was a Carrier secondaries build. But this one is just ridiculous and beautiful all the same!
I just started playing a month ago. I’m about to get my Bismarck so pretty excited there but dam lol.. this was just epic to watch 🙌🏼. Great narration too 👍🏼👍🏼. A week ago I didn’t even realize this game was available on pc I just play legends on ps5. Looking forward to playing more !
With 2 Ships entirely devoted to supporting, dividing the 350k by 3 makes more sense and makes it seem less impressive. Playing like this looks like tons of fun tho.
Main reason why I quit the game. OP divisions like this in Random mode sucks for the other team. The game is basically over before the countdown timer finishes.
Weegee balance: - So now you cant shoot your main guns ONCE in smoke without reveeling your position? -Correct! - But you can fire your secondaries 648 times without getting spotted? -Next question?
well since it has pretty much dd caliber as secondaries, they should be spotted too after shooting form smoke. then again it depends on the range and distance.
I usually not paying attention to the fun factor the has. If i want them to have fun, i go beach myself and let them focusfire the crap out of me. But no. I such a selfish scum
I had this accidently happen with my Pommern, although with far less damage done. Was supporting a DD at cap and a few BB's had pinned me down near cap, although far enough away that the DD could still get on it un detected. I was facing the cap near the island and decided to just push to cover the DD and he smoked me into the cap. Managed to stop in the smoke and proceeded to secondary damage/burn down an Iowa and Colorado and another cruiser as they pushed in. It was cheesy as hell that a ship can sit so close just dumping out secondary fire with zero real counter, but that has been they way this game has been for so long with regards to balance.
Hilarious replay. But no need to cry out for Schlieffen being op. These simping fanboy sidekicks in the DDs sacrifice everything to make this possible.
this schlieffen is basically harugumo firing 20 guns in a smoke lmao this is the reason why iam regrinding tech tree, i want to get vampire II and gives smoke to schlieffens in my server XD i hope i can meet atlantico in my vampire II
I had a lot of luck but I even broke the dmg record. Not the dmg exclusivly from the secondary's but I was able to deal 370k dmg. Alone with no help from a division
I'm surprised there's no secondary consumable that allows even lower reload time or more pen/dmg. :D The game will be completely broken if they buff GF to have comparable secondaries but way more health and armor.^^
The only aspect in which GK sec are better that they are all 128mm caliber, penning 32mm bow plating without IFHE, so they retain their higher fire chance. They also fire faster than the 150mms the Schlieffen has. But lack the accuracy
I mean, yeah. The wows playerbase wants secondary builds to be good and viable again, and we want more close range brawling and aggressive actions in our games But i think schleif took these wishes to far. Shes a bb, but with 2 mainz's on each side, and has a z23 on either side as well. I wouldnt be surprised if she gets nerfed. Ive played a couple of clan battles against her, and she would just w key into our spawn and pick up 2, maybe 3 kills by herself
the secondaries are strong but schlieffen has major downsides. the 420s feel like odin or agir 305s. decent against cruisers but serious penetration issues against bbs @ range. i am constantly getting nonpens & bounces on broadside bbs over ~14 km. defensively she is super squishy. do not go broadside to a bb. you will get wrecked. as an example i played a ranked game last night where a montana popped out from behind an island @ 15 km & caught me broadside. he proceeded to greet me with a 65k damage salvo. in a gk that would have been more than half less damage. definitely feels more like a cruiser when taking damage. also she withers under sustained fire from bbs. played well she is awesome. make any mistakes and chances are you will be punished hard. i think she is balanced.
i think what u say is simply wrong xD my wargamings OWN statement, a ship always counts as the highest tier in a division when it comes ot matchmaker. so ur t9 ships count as t10 and just ingame when u entered a game with a t9 are matcfhed against one. otherwise they count as t10 and just can end in u getting t10 games with being the only t9 in
and we can w8 from Wg to nerf hell of this ship,after this kind of result,,more ppl get this ship nerf is gonna be sooner,,some thing happened with kremlin before he get live,,op ship in test when goes live nerfed like hell,and i don't expect this ship live like this to long,(hope so till i get it) but...will see
WG always does this, to make people spend money to get it. Then when everyone complains they nerve it by popular demand. Meanwhile cashing in the beginning.
@@Seeking2FindBalance you are wrong about that, it is only the T-10 ship that everyone is taking about, they did not make the T-9 or T-8 like this, and people will whale to get the free xp to have it now, thats money!
What was the XP of the team? If his DD teammates did nothing (ant it looked like that) then the whole strat is just bad. 350k is great, but not when divided between 3 ships and almost all of it on BBs.
@@magicthings5485 I was watching the stream during this and they said they got hard countered by radar and well positioned ships a few times, but most teams don't have the coordination to deal with this. Torp spam into the smoke also works well.
Matchmaker only accounts for the highest tier ship, i.e. it doesn't matter if your div is 8/9/10 or 10/10/10, you will get the same tier spread. Having more matches with lower tier ships when running lower tier ships in a div is confirmation bias.
More realistic Schlieffen gameplay is pushing up to an island, slowly getting closer to secondary range and finding out that all your DDs are already dead and the rest of the team is hiding behind your CV xD
That's been my experience...
Same with Napoli
I'm finding that too, but they come out for behind you for a moment to steal your kill after your 2nds spent 120+ seconds melting down a ship or two to 100 hp
lmao so true
I'm a DD mostly, I just LOVE looking up during a running fight to see half the team dead and the rest cowering in the back like Trekkies at a school dance
Potato: dreaming about sap-secondary ship with crowling smoke.
Napoli: Am I joke to you?
Giuseppe verdi new t9 italian bb with sap sec and crawling smoke: am i a joke to you.
Giuseppe Verdi is gonna be interesting
@@bigdata2783 is it out yet? They say type of currency it’ll be available for
@@papamoose1321 only doubloons, seemingly. No other way to get it. Dec 23rd.
@@bigdata2783 absolutely horrid dispersion on the sap secondaries tho...they are like us 127mm, very floaty and inaccurate past 8km
So it's basically the good ol' glorious Graf Zeppelin smoke crawler div, except that instead of the occasional plane there's occasional main gun salvo.
Well, before Schliefen time, there was only one ship which u could do this, and Its Graf Zeppelin
And i saw a 330k damage replay of it. The guy did the same thing with 2 Lo Yang divmates. Zeppelin secondaries are(were?) more accurate though. Schlieffen has an average 30% hit rate, Zeppelin has over 40% But i think secondary meme Zeppelin is history, as you cannot choose secondary skills for a CV any more😢
That was me in the Austin who charged with nothing left to lose near the end. We called out exactly what that division was going to do at the beginning but honestly, better payers are just better players, good game.
A coordinated group of even average players, especially when it's purpose built to run a fairly absurd exploit, is all but certain to stomp the opposition.
Hope you had a decent game regardless; I suppose it might have been interesting to have been on the other side watching, LOL.
@@steeltrap3800 Only real way to counter it would to have radar cruisers light up the DDs and everyone together target them. Once the DDs are gone, its simple to focus down the schlef.
It was more coordination that saved the day for them.
Secondaries are my favorite weapons in WoW. I remember people trying to do all sorts of secondary builds in German ships years ago from the Bayern and onward. Last one I think I saw was a Carrier secondaries build. But this one is just ridiculous and beautiful all the same!
BFK streams are criminal levels of fun and so worth it, thank you for the replay.
This mans secondary hits almost beats out my record number of secondary shells fired.
Nice commentary and it's always nice to see shout-outs to other content creators
I just started playing a month ago. I’m about to get my Bismarck so pretty excited there but dam lol.. this was just epic to watch 🙌🏼. Great narration too 👍🏼👍🏼. A week ago I didn’t even realize this game was available on pc I just play legends on ps5. Looking forward to playing more !
Abusing the division for smoke secondary farming but man, that is very clever and hilarious to watch ngl.
With 2 Ships entirely devoted to supporting, dividing the 350k by 3 makes more sense and makes it seem less impressive. Playing like this looks like tons of fun tho.
Thank gosh for secondaries no longer breaking.
Also BFK has some great 1 liners. Dog barking at a keyboard
This dude literally does better without using his main guns than I do normally
I think the takeaway from this match is the Schlieffen is a really big DD
Oddly enough this kind of gameplay makes me excited/fearful of Atlantico
I can't wait for it
this is by no means a representative gameplay. with this much luck and well played support everything is possible.
Well... it is a team based game after all, and these madlads were teaming allright! :)
@@TheSailingRobin Ayyy Robin, its nice to see you here
We shouldn't be applauding this.
this is coordinated play, look how well those two destroyers smoke screen area and let the battleship do her job
2:03 the fellow fletcher(not in the div) actually used his smoke to hide schlieffen lmao
Watched some of these matches live, super entertaining with the crawling smoke
Bfk is out here reliving his Season 2 Supremacy League strats. German BB's into smoke baby.
man, its so cool to see 2 dd's escorting a bb :D
Main reason why I quit the game. OP divisions like this in Random mode sucks for the other team. The game is basically over before the countdown timer finishes.
Weegee balance:
- So now you cant shoot your main guns ONCE in smoke without reveeling your position?
-Correct!
- But you can fire your secondaries 648 times without getting spotted?
-Next question?
well since it has pretty much dd caliber as secondaries, they should be spotted too after shooting form smoke. then again it depends on the range and distance.
@@intuii Well, true I guess. 🤔
The legends team heard about your SAP secondary desire and made it happen, colombo only loses 1km of range compared to schlieffen....
We've been doing this with a Vampire and 2 Napolis. We don't get this amazing a result, but it definitely makes people poop themselves.
I think i had hilarious secondary hits in ranked(968) i was wrong, this is 💪
Looks so fun for the enemy team...
I usually not paying attention to the fun factor the has. If i want them to have fun, i go beach myself and let them focusfire the crap out of me. But no. I such a selfish scum
This ship is insanely OP and stupid... WTF is the dev. team thinking
most ships cant even escape this 34 Knots BB
those dds , real all stars there
Let me just say, that's mental. A record of some sort?
Sat Score and Overlord Bou were running this div setup a couple months ago.
Ummm ya, WGing is gonna hit this ship with the nerf bat for sure
WG should ban +-1 platoons. Imagine FDR+Smaland+Musashi
Why not Yamato
Hmmm VFK I shall haf to check out this young lad named VFK
I had this accidently happen with my Pommern, although with far less damage done. Was supporting a DD at cap and a few BB's had pinned me down near cap, although far enough away that the DD could still get on it un detected. I was facing the cap near the island and decided to just push to cover the DD and he smoked me into the cap. Managed to stop in the smoke and proceeded to secondary damage/burn down an Iowa and Colorado and another cruiser as they pushed in.
It was cheesy as hell that a ship can sit so close just dumping out secondary fire with zero real counter, but that has been they way this game has been for so long with regards to balance.
In your case there was a counter. Patience. Sounds to me they just had to wait pushing, untill after the smoke had dissipated.
Oh lord. I want this ship.
This make me really want to go up that line.
Hilarious replay.
But no need to cry out for Schlieffen being op. These simping fanboy sidekicks in the DDs sacrifice everything to make this possible.
Is he using a mod ? How do you see the range of your secondaries/AA guns or how much hp are you going to recover ?
Yes they are mods. From Alsain's or Modstation
I MUCH prefer listening to you over BFK on Twitch
The never ending squirt ship
Finally something really fun
The only worry is when WG sees this and decided to destroy whatever fun this makes.
GERMAN ENGINEERING
Fun and engaging…
this schlieffen is basically harugumo firing 20 guns in a smoke lmao
this is the reason why iam regrinding tech tree, i want to get vampire II and gives smoke to schlieffens in my server XD
i hope i can meet atlantico in my vampire II
Where is this extra reload on secondaries after 100 hits on Lutjens? I'm not seeing it in his skills?
I haven’t looked hard into it but what’s the difference between these secondaries and the GK’s?
I had a lot of luck but I even broke the dmg record. Not the dmg exclusivly from the secondary's but I was able to deal 370k dmg. Alone with no help from a division
I'm surprised there's no secondary consumable that allows even lower reload time or more pen/dmg. :D
The game will be completely broken if they buff GF to have comparable secondaries but way more health and armor.^^
The only aspect in which GK sec are better that they are all 128mm caliber, penning 32mm bow plating without IFHE, so they retain their higher fire chance. They also fire faster than the 150mms the Schlieffen has. But lack the accuracy
2 Schlieffen and 1 Napoli is scary as fuck
1600 secondary hits omg... Most I've done in random op was 600
I wish they add this ship to legends as a legendary be sick
Super!
Insane!
@PQ would you happen to know the talents of his Lutjens?
His sec dmg this game is almost equal to my overall dmg record (245k in the Kurrywurst)
VEEEERY GJ :)
I mean, yeah. The wows playerbase wants secondary builds to be good and viable again, and we want more close range brawling and aggressive actions in our games
But i think schleif took these wishes to far. Shes a bb, but with 2 mainz's on each side, and has a z23 on either side as well. I wouldnt be surprised if she gets nerfed. Ive played a couple of clan battles against her, and she would just w key into our spawn and pick up 2, maybe 3 kills by herself
the secondaries are strong but schlieffen has major downsides. the 420s feel like odin or agir 305s. decent against cruisers but serious penetration issues against bbs @ range. i am constantly getting nonpens & bounces on broadside bbs over ~14 km. defensively she is super squishy. do not go broadside to a bb. you will get wrecked. as an example i played a ranked game last night where a montana popped out from behind an island @ 15 km & caught me broadside. he proceeded to greet me with a 65k damage salvo. in a gk that would have been more than half less damage. definitely feels more like a cruiser when taking damage. also she withers under sustained fire from bbs. played well she is awesome. make any mistakes and chances are you will be punished hard. i think she is balanced.
>makes one of the most toxic comps ever made
>calls it fun
If WG watch this replay, next day instantly nerfing this ship. :(
yeah if you are lucky to have a team that remembers what smoke is for. This ship is too squishy.
i think what u say is simply wrong xD
my wargamings OWN statement, a ship always counts as the highest tier in a division when it comes ot matchmaker.
so ur t9 ships count as t10 and just ingame when u entered a game with a t9 are matcfhed against one. otherwise they count as t10 and just can end in u getting t10 games with being the only t9 in
Hope this braindead ship gets nerfed
and we can w8 from Wg to nerf hell of this ship,after this kind of result,,more ppl get this ship nerf is gonna be sooner,,some thing happened with kremlin before he get live,,op ship in test when goes live nerfed like hell,and i don't expect this ship live like this to long,(hope so till i get it) but...will see
just 1 flag per badge would be fine, but the badges are pointless without them
Nerfs... here they come
Did he use IFHE for his captain build?
Yes. You go IFHE on KM 105s.
145k damage did with out any smoke or dd help not a big deal to do damage with secondary whne 2 dd helping u off course a boat player cant do this
What good are other ships then?
It's just another floating island for rock humpers and smoke camping spam queens to incinerate has it makes it's way to get into effective range....
Would the division still work if the fletcher was changed to a Friesland/Groningen
Yes, but not as much, as the fletcher gets the really long US smoke.
yes, it will still work as Fries/Gron both have US smoke, tho not as maneuverable nor as stealthy as the Fletcher.
But was he first in his team??????????
I got 3 letters for this
JFC
Nerfs inbound XD
This almost makes me want to dust off my account and play......but I'll stick with watching only. 5 years was long enough
so, in otherwards, get your schlieffen now while it's still good and fun to play, because you know WG will nerf it if it's too much fun.
Subtitle in vietnamita wtf. Can you put the automatic English subtitle? plis
Is this pre-fix?
Only 500,000 credits for all that.... I make that with the Friesland just capping twice :)
he could of gotten so meny more close quaters with not shooting main guns PepeHands. great game tho!
Too much fun being had, the new line must be restored to proper back line battleship levels. We will have to nerf the secondaries
Dayum.
If you like this watch Graf Zepplin lol
WG always does this, to make people spend money to get it. Then when everyone complains they nerve it by popular demand. Meanwhile cashing in the beginning.
You're right, Wargaming is all about sucking money from our wallets, but in this instance.....it's a Tech Tree Tier X ship. No money needed.
@@Seeking2FindBalance you are wrong about that, it is only the T-10 ship that everyone is taking about, they did not make the T-9 or T-8 like this, and people will whale to get the free xp to have it now, thats money!
nerf is coming in 5, 4, 3, 2, ....
I already try but got radar and died.......
Anyone caring to share the fit?
Nerf coming soon.
What was the XP of the team? If his DD teammates did nothing (ant it looked like that) then the whole strat is just bad. 350k is great, but not when divided between 3 ships and almost all of it on BBs.
A radar or torps will end this quickly, its not going to work in most games
@@magicthings5485 I was watching the stream during this and they said they got hard countered by radar and well positioned ships a few times, but most teams don't have the coordination to deal with this. Torp spam into the smoke also works well.
They have 87.5% winrate. 36 wins out of 41 battles.
@@Swarm509 In my Halland I would rek them, a good radar cruiser like a DM would also clear them.
The DDs earned XP for capping, spotting dmg, potential dmg and a little dmg at minimum 2 ships.
Matchmaker only accounts for the highest tier ship, i.e. it doesn't matter if your div is 8/9/10 or 10/10/10, you will get the same tier spread. Having more matches with lower tier ships when running lower tier ships in a div is confirmation bias.
Too bad we didn't get to see the team score. Probably got next to no xp
What kind of cheat is thiisss😳😳😳
That's awsommeeee
If WG will ever make a Colombo with SAP sec, it would probably be another joke.
Italian ships in WoWs are just jokes. Insults.
i guess playing against bots / inept adversaries helps with the score ...
They are gonna Nerf this so hard.
But this refunds me og the graf Zeppelin from jingles comentary.
70 k from 20 fires lmao
Stat padding like no other 🤭
It was no stat padding. "bfk" had set the goal to earn 400.000 dmg at the beginning of the stream.
So uh.... World Record secondary damage? lmao