EN VO: *annoyed Topaz sound* What actually happened: Topaz entrusted her gemstone - the MOST important thing for a Stratagem - to Aventurine so he can gamble with it.
I think that was the IPC plan from the get go tho? Seeing how Jade also entrusted her stone and Dr Ratio "acting" Actually put progress to aventurine gamble. The way I see it, it was a set up plan that have been evaluated from the start. the real challenge is can aventurine actually pulls it off or not
Jade and Topaz were working together w Aventurine for the plan, knowing they were not only gambling with their own gemstones but Aventurine's LIFE so not sure what you're getting at here at all lmfao
@@natpat4094 I'm saying that of course Topaz would sound annoyed, the whole idea of their operations is likely proposed by aventurine. And even though the whole ordeal gonna go well because aventurine gamble usually succeeded. Topaz as his coworkers also has her doubts that put her on edges I'm saying this because every other comment dunked on the EN dub because they sounded harsh. But in reality they painted a perfect characterization of a coworker over worried because of their partner crazy methods on doing their business, by giving the expression "Oh no I have to do his ways of thinking" When doing their job because the crazy method apparently have 100% success Sorry if my explanation confusing
It is becausr aven's reputation. His motto is High risk, High Return. All or Nothing. 😅 So Ambitious. He will even risk his life for winning. Contrary with Topaz. So if anyone join with him, it will be high risky job.
People are not here for a realistic dialogue, people are here to listen to anime wifu talk in cutesy tones regardless of the context. What you think there are that much Japanese majors in the player base? Fk no.
Lmao she doesn't seem to like it but they are funny Edit: also why people hating and getting offended for Aventurine if a lot of characters act this way towards him 😐
All 10 high gems may don't like each other, but they still got it together. You can say, they want to do their own ways, than be a teammates. Altho i am personally wonder, why they are like that.
@@SylarGKIW most of the projects succeed from their teamwork and the latest quest just proved that they had quite a solid bond I think that you just described family rather than stonehearts
Crazy to me that people in the comments are acting like the JP voices are "original" when HSR is a Chinese game. The EN lines for both Ratio and Topaz are more accurate tone-wise to the CN voice lines than the JP ones (can't speak for KR since I don't know the language), which are too neutral and don't convey the disappointment both characters express in CN.
Someone even pointed out in JP Topaz uses language that is disrespectful when talking to your superiors, so she's NOT happy to see him at all. Idk why people are crying that EN fucked up again or whatever new thing they wanna complain about in regards to dub this week
@@shamussarrazine6623nah Topaz is using casual form of speech instead of polite form. It’s not rude per se, you could even say that they are close enough to be speaking casually with each other. Topaz has been very casual towards Aventurine since Belobog, on the phone. In fact, the cn version of Topaz is also very casual with Aventurine and is very open to working together and “taking care of each other”. EN thoo… 😅😅 “Ugh 🙄🙄🙄”
@@oreapofan Did we read the same Belobog dialogue? Aventurine literally asks why she sounds so hostile on the phone and has to beg her not to hang up on him. It is super obvious her CN voice line is surprised in a bad way if you actually speak the language. The line "taking care of each other" is just her coping -- she's saying "yeah ok, we'll put it that way so that I can convince myself to tolerate this team"
People in China have already stated they prefer the ENG versions of the VA's as well to the Japanese versions. People always go in on this game with the whole "I HATE ENG DUBS" and then they play star rail while listening to the Japanese dub which isn't cared for much by the Chinese playerbase. It's not even about being authentic to the original dub because yeah...Chinese, not Japanese. Some people just stubbornly hate ENG Dub even though it's been getting increasingly better over time.
Because jp dubs is the standard. Anime-related stuff was born in Japan and 95% of it is still made there, it's hard to ignore that and pretend JP doesn't exist just because this time it's Chinese. The very existence of Mihoyo was made possible because of JP anime. Just because you make a burger in Sweden, that won't stop people from using the ones they make in the US as THE reference. You can't just ignore history and culture because erm, actually 🤓this is a chinese game
@@孙澤宇right? I can’t believe any other dub didn’t put any unnecessary aggression on every voiceline and change their characterization to become a lot aggresive toward other
@@dryyynnn Right, I can't believe that other cultures where people are way more passive and avoid voicing discomfort and irritation didn't have their voice lines more aggressive like ours is.
I don't think all this arguing about Seele/Topaz's aggressiveness would even happen if they were aggressive in ALL the languages Even If they acted like they wanted to murder them in all the Languages. If it's consistent, then fine. If they all sounded just a little surprised. Then fine, It's still consistent But when all the languages have a consistent sounding tone and then there's EN which is different then I think that's the reason why people don't like the Aggressiveness
@@hayond656 yes I would like consistency. I find it wierd that ever though all versions have inconsistencies I only ever see people criticise the EN dub and act like the JP and KH dub and 100% accurate
Could all the mindless EN haters cast their minds back to 6 months ago when we had the IPC takeover of Belobog? Sorry, I know basic memory is hard for you but just this once try *really* hard, okay? Topaz got demoted and Aventurine openly mocked her, they were not on friendly terms. Topaz was annoyed with Aventurine right up until Penacony was mentioned. In that moment Aventurine became her superior and coerced her into joining him for a deal related to the Penacony plan, stop pretending like she handed over her Cornerstone out of the goodness of her heart. They tolerate working together, they aren’t friends.
They are friends. They're on friendly terms. She doesn't agree with Aventurines methods but she doesn't hate him. I don't know why them not hating each other makes you so mad. Like calm down
@@melmelon3393 Thank you for showing me you cannot read. At what point did I say I'm upset that other version doesn't make Topaz sound annoyed? What does make me angry is the people in here calling the EN VA's "talentless" because they supposedly "screwed it up" despite EN being the closest in tone to the original CN. In a hilarious twist, the JP dub that some fools take as gospel is actually the least accurate.
@@melmelon3393 Chat: Aventurine "There are many unsavory characters in the IPC i dont care for, take Aventurine for instance. I sincerely hope you never run into him" - Topaz of Debt Retrieval Yeah she does not fw him at all.
I actually think the EN Dr Ratio version is more realitsic. Lets be real, Ratio is a tsundere at heart. I think he is the type that the more he cares the more he will bully you.
@@Kunoichi4ever4Let's also be more realistic, EN voice actors doesn't take voice acting seriously. Only few EN voice actors have passion and commitment in their voice acting.
I am seeing comments with people saying that EN sounds in character and I think it's because they have only listened to EN dub as of yet so for them this is her original personality. To me this is the first time I heard Topaz in EN and she sounded completely out of character
Everyone has their preference, but honestly i love how she sounds like a tired bussiness lady being force to work in teams But i also like her Kr , its very cute
Yes this is common in genshin and hsr; the different voice packs have different interpretations of the characters. My favorite example of this is JP Yanfei vs every other Yanfei.
@@faturramadhani4770 I am not saying any language option is bad. More like people using different dubs have different experiences of characters so there isn't really a need to argue over it
i think its more that in EN dub we can actually understand what are they actually saying, its easier to get the character and the vibe from them, meanwhile for JP, its harder since u can't understand what are they saying, and reading it of subs is also weird since EN sub is suited for EN dub, sometimes what are they actually saying in JP dub is not even in the EN sub, and vice versa, so if u play JP and use EN sub, you actually hear JP personality but read EN Personality😅 what i'm trying to say is EN dub is just more consistent, since both dub and sub are suited for each other. but for preference in Dub, honestly choose whatever you like and want, im just presenting a case of why people think "EN dub sounds in character"
Topaz : Do not trust Aventurine. If you happens to meet him, pls avoid him at all cost. Also Topaz : Come to Penacony and collaborate with Aventurine. Me : Bwahahaha.... 🤣 Sounds like my sister and brother. Sagittarius and Aries combine. Hate and love at the same time.
well he did offer her to come to Penacony back then in Belobog Festival arc and she said she will consider it. Guess thats why she is here (although that cornerstone...damn)
Just like Seele's VA for Luka... Huh. Maybe there isn't actual contempt for certain male characters. Maybe it's just a running gag between the VAs and voice director.
@@adlilzafri2322 In canon, that's quite possible. It's not like either character is actually portrayed as misandrists. Hell, the brief convo between Topaz and the Nameless implies that there's a begrudging respect for Aventurine by Topaz for his luck and possibly his tenacity.
I mean, it’s exaggerated from the CN version but I’d say EN is still pretty similar to the Chinese version. It’s not like the CN version was particularly thrilled about it either
@luckylaniang5574 it's not about what it sounds like, keep in mind Aventurine is her superior. In CN culture, the fact that she is speaking like that to her superior is insanely disrespectful.
Istg the REACHING that is being done here like how tf are people saying she hates Aventurine, she just sounds tired and disappointed that there’s work to do and don’t even get me started on Ratio.
People don't realize that the only reason there's "translation issues" between EN and the other 3 is because there's a vast difference in how English works with grammar rules and other things like that compared to JP, CN, and KR. All things considered they did a good job at keeping it pretty accurate while adding their own unique spin on it
She doesnt like Aventurine at all outside of him being a good coworker, as stated in her Voiceline regarding him. "Unsavory characters i dont care for"
The Korean one is *too* happy. Chinese and Japanese both sound very similar in a "Oh it's you...let's get it over with!" manner. It's almost like they're worked on by completely different teams getting scripts that don't have adequate notes on them...kinda like how they ended up with a translation error in the EN script that nobody would've noticed if it didn't end up becoming a plot point, and then suddenly they issue a patch note saying they changed it.
@@GaioMarethe hypocrisy is real, I think both are just as annoyed with his attitude(not hate, tho) Yet, people accused Topaz hating him, while Ratio cares for him(and this while Ratio saying plenty of awful things to Aven) I'm sure that both actually care for him, tho
Dr ratio aggressiveness is really out of character like not to that extent other caring feelings need to be more prominent for ratios to be more reasonable
Topaz EN VO doesn't sound annoyed but worried, after all, Aventurine likes to gamble everything he has all the time, his luck gives him a guarantee win but is Topaz safe? She knows she isn't
I really hate that for no reason the JP one is shown first when it is the CN one that matters. I'm not fluent in Chinese but I know a bit, and "哎？" (the sound Topaz makes) is an expression of "disappointed surprise". You make that sound when something bad, but not tragic, unexpectedly happens. Even her saying "that's fine." Is passive-aggressive and disrespectful to a superior, she should be saying "that's good!" There is a cultural difference here where in Chinese you are expected to be respectful to those senior to you so even when she is expressing this, she speaks in a more gentle tone to show her respect to Aventurine since he has a higher rank.
Yeah, I think everyone complaining about EN localization has failed to consider the cultural differences at play. I don't know as much about CN, but in Japan you have to be very mindful about how you speak to your superiors if you don't want to offend them. And South Korea, similarly, is VERY hierarchical. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if every language has the same underlying sentiment, but the other three have to be more subtle about expressing it so that Topaz doesn't come off meaner than intended.
@thefanciesttortoise557 Aventurine is higher rank than her, the stonehearts are not equal with Diamond being one of the highest. We know Jade is above Aventurine and the Belobog-Topaz quest tells us Topaz is below Aventurine. Remember, Aventurine is the one who demotes Topaz rank in the cutscene. It's also pretty obvious just based on the gem values. Topaz must be one of the lowest stonehearts because topaz is not very valuable in terms of precious gems.
@floofzykitty5072 it's been a while since I did that quest. I remember the conversation, but I forgot if he was just talking about her demotion or if he was the one demoting her
@@floofzykitty5072 are you sure it was aventurine who demoted her? Isn't she in a meeting with multiple people that use heavy filter to distort their voice when she was demoted? I didn't recall aventurine being the one who demote her
I don't speak Chinese or Korean so I can only offer insight based on tone, but the Japanese and English ones aren't really all that different. Topaz is showing disrespect to Aventurine by calling him "kimi". In English we don't really have that kind of word choice so the best way is reading it a different way. Moreover the Korean one sounds *too* happy to see him. We fixate on the English sounding like they don't want to see him, but neither the Chinese nor Japanese tracks particularly want to see him either. They're just being reasonably polite. The fact that Topaz is using casual Japanese as well with someone who's ostensibly her superior or at least equal within the IPC is also disrespectful. But yeah the Korean one feels the most "off".
Did people also forget that Topaz got demoted and Aventurine instantly took her spot due to what happened in Belobog and how she was mocked BY HIM for it? She didn't give her cornerstone because she wanted to
Yeah no, the japanese one has no where near the same level of digust and angst, Kimi being there doesn't implant the same feeling in the slightest or bring it even anywhere near it, tone would hurt more, and it's not there.
JUST TO SAY THIS .. but EN AND CN are pretty much the same.. like it's just "DISSAPOINTMENT" nothing much lol. so yeaaa I'd say EN did a great job with this one. Since CN is prob the source.
funnily enough CN and EN is pretty close in tone and characterization. you don't express or sigh in disappointment/contemplating tone when you meet someone you consider as close friend or has a good relationship. JP sounds way too friendly/neutral consider their exchange on Jarilo-6. can't say for KR, i know nothing about the language and culture.
I think they have friendly banter, but their morals are completely different. I could see them having a debate on who's idea is best for the community they have to collect from.
Nah Japanese isn't glad to see him. She's just surprised. It's actually fairly neutral like "Oh. It's you. Let's get to it." BUT how you read it is important: "OH! It's you again! Let's get to it." "Oh... It's YOU again. Let's get to it." Same line different ways of reading it. And let's not even get into how translation works...
I think people will never understand that tone translates differently in different languages. She's saying the exact same thing in all 4 languages but due to social statuses in asian countries she is more passive aggressive in all except EN. Hoyo fans are so stupid it's laughable
The en just make it has bad relationship despite they're in one team according to the lore. While other 3 languages just like passive-agressive kind of friendship.
She sounds more like she's disappointed that she doesn't get to complete the mission (deal) alone. Y'know, because their missions are like commissions. With pay.
When you finish the story with JP voices Topaz sounds like she is holding back tears reporting Aventurines Gem losing color but the EN has like “I dont care“ feeling dunno who is the script writer for the EN team but he should get fired
A lot of it isn't the script writer on the EN side, it's the CN side not providing adequate notes on what they intend for characters. We actually have evidence of this via the mistranslated "make friends with a mute" vs "make friends with a rock" line that ended up being important. It's the CN side's responsibility to mark lines like that as plot-important so they're translated and interpreted the same way no matter what. Calling for someone to be fired because they received bad notes is ludicrous
@@kyuven Funny how the CN doesnt provide adequate notes for the characters, but every language but english doesnt mess up, funny, no? Stop with the bias, the EN dub should be responsible for their job and when they mess up. They changed A TON of lines in the 2.1 quest, even the last one calling Gallagher a Enigmata goon. They messed up so bad that they needed to fix it some days after the update, just like the "mute" vs "rock" thing (that didnt happen in the JP and KR dub, and thats how people found out). They consistently the only one messing up with the translations and cutting things for some reason. Stop trying to defend it.
it’s really based since topaz’s voiceline about aventurine basically hoping that trailblazer don’t have to face aventurine (despite of them working together in ipc)
Maybe I'm an oddball for thinking this, but this is not a Luka & Seele thing. Between all the translations, I wanna say it's consistent, unlike said Luka & Seele interaction.
Мне кажется, у кого то проблемы с чтением эмоций в голосах людей. Топаз звучит также рпзочаровано в английской версии, как, к примеру, и в корейской. Её голос не звучит агрессивно. Только разочарование и смиренное принятие. Как и в других языках. Прекратите хейт английской озвучки на пустом месте
I see, typical arguments here. People in the comments talking about inconsistencies when they don't know about cultural differences and how languages differ from each other. People who use voicepacks other than EN without knowing those languages themselves have no basis to comment on them - you don't know anything, so what's the point? It's not like EN is perfect, but people in this case are just talking out of their ass. Not only voices, but people also somehow decided that EN wasn't accurate to the lore, which just shows their lack of media literacy.
Nah since the dialogue is virtually the same across all 4 translations BUT the KR and EN ones are on drastically different sides of the spectrum in terms of readings, this is less "the localizers" and more "the original team didn't send adequate notes on what the lines are supposed to sound like" It's no surprise when the Chinese and Japanese ones are close enough, since those are the ones they put the most effort into since they can make the most of kanji/hanzhi and superscripting.
@@kyuven I understand that- but perhaps it’s because I’m too cynical that I see it as the fault of localizers. I find it hard to believe it’s an honest mistake instead of an intentional attempt to distort the source material for a western audience.
@@iech0526 Should probably not jump straight to believing it's malicious tampering when so many other possibilities could explain the difference just as easily.
Not the first time EN localizers in Hoyo games butchered characters personality with unnecessary extra aggressiveness/annoyance. Seele-Luka, Ayato-Itto, The latter was revised and toned down too.
1) Stonehearts arent close, aventurine himself says this 2) Topaz litterally hasna dialogue about aventurine where she says its a not good idea to aproach him at all 3) Topaz is expressive, she is there to help him (or jade) on 2.1/2.2 so she doesnt hate his guts, she just finds him tiring wich litterally every character does lmao 4) People forgot that belobog scene where topaz gets called by aventurine really fast, litterally WHEN did game tell us that they were close? If anything EN is the only one that sounds correct here
1. Topaz and Jade literally entrusted their cornerstones to Aven. 'Harmony' Aven(?) Outright said that the bond between heartstones is more solid than family 2. Because Aven is full of deceit and he would make us do dangerous things without us realizing it. We just don't know or lack experiences to handle someone like Aven. But, Topaz is experienced and works with Aven almost every time(they literally on the same dept.) 3. Yeah, so tired doesn't equal hating. So why does she sound so aggressive when he hasn't done anything, yet? (Note that I actually love their en voices). Also, Topaz, Jade and Aventurine are literally working on team here, it's just Jade and Topaz only moving after Aven finished his part on the dreamscape 4.Aven was calling to checking on her, he explicitly said it himself, he even warned her that Jarilo-VI is a low reward high risk mission and he emphasized that again in the call. If anything, this just shows that he cares for her I would agree with you about the directing in en here if my knowledge about them is still limited in 1.4 But, since we got new Insight about stonehearts, I think en actually undermining their relationship a bit here I don't say she should sound too soft, but she doesn't need to be so aggressive, either
@@ashanna6657 Sorry but your first point being that way means you didnt read the story at all. The WHOLE poing of aventurine having their stones was to make a WAY IN for them to enter to set up an actual IPC response as aventurine failed. Jade solely sees him as someone that takes huge risks wich is why they even gave him this quest as it was basically a death sentence while Topaz was drawn into it because of the agreement they made on Jarilo as Topaz needed to fix her mistake. No text in game regards them as close and even he himself says ten stone hearts arent close. Topaz says its better to not come next to him and Jade solely lets him in IPC as a slave ten stone heart to entrust the craziest plans just like how it happened on Penacony
Sorry for my english it's not my mother tongue It's CN game atleast try to make it sounds close to what they intended and why are you assuming this much with little facts ingame. They don't tell use they were close but they also don't tell us they're that distant with each other. And you told the other person about reading while you're clearly missed something. It's not aventurine's that's in possession of sunday. It's jade's. aventurine kept it in himself as a mean to emergency. And he clearly says he broke the aventurine stone later.
@@kyarumomochi5146no offense but your claim only works assuming that jade was the one who made the plan but knowing aventurine's nature i think it's more high likely that it was him who propose the plan himself considering how huge of a gamble it was. Hell, the call he made back in belobog was him asking for topaz's help with his job on penacony which gives more credence to him being the one who planned to borrow jade and topaz's stone. Not to mention that the harmony aven that claims about the bond also clearly states that even aven lied to himself so that really doesn't say much. Mind you this 'harmony' aven knows everything about aventurine's true thoughts and feeling, he also seems to wanted aven to lay it bare, making aven confront everything in his life, starting from his past(childhood) to his future(death). If anything. The words of 'harmony' aven are more credible than everything aven says himself. Trying to disregard it is a bit odd.
Topaz's point is that she's from IPC, works as debt collector yet her main trait is kindness, being an asshole towards Aventurine is very out of character for her
I mean the first time we hear/see aventurine he's mocking her for fucking up on Belebog by letting her morals get in the way and gloating about being her boss now? Maybe go listen to how she treats him on that phone call
@@matthewwalsh5667 well for that case it was Topaz's own faults so of course she should accepts it lol. and all the 3 dubs are cool with Aventurine, only the EN one that sounds annoyed/aggressive
english VA somehow exaggerating mad when it come to women to man dialogue like this and Seele to luka which sound like seele disgusted while JP,CN,KR VA is just normal. could be the EN voice direction doing or its their VA doing idk
@@steyrn_I think it’s the directors telling them to do it, since the VA are friends with each other. In that case there shouldn’t be any exaggeration toward their voice
Don't you think it's making the voice more lively and realistic. Like almost in every game especially like Genshin they just are to nice to eachother that sometimes it's out of characters. Like you said with seele tbh I think it fits her badass personality. Moreover I think sometimes CN is just too nice. And it's andventurine men...what do you expect?
Topaz doesnt dislike aventurine BUUUUTTT she doesnt like his vibe and rememver that she mentioned that aventurine does his way that gies her a headache Topaz and jade trusts him but its gonna be a drag and a headache collaborating with him So the EN VA was correct to an extent. The tone of the voice is correct but the wording couldve constructed better
EN went too far with the aggression to the point of being cartoonish. The CN while do sound disappointed with the sign but Topaz still kept it proffessional as you should when you're on the job. JP and KR dont show the dissapointment but still keeping it proffessional. EN make Topaz sound unproffessional and childish
The language used in the CN dub is very rude especially given the fact that Aventurine is Topaz's boss. I would not say that the tone of that sentence is "professional"
@@wangshuping137 Idk chinese or anyone who know chinese so I uses software to check the tone and language, software are not good but that's the best I have. It said that the tone is casual, so if it's the case the rudeness is from using casual language with boss, then my point still stand. Because Aventurine being Topaz boss is him teasing her for fall off IPC hierarchy at the end of her quest, he is her boss technically but none of them took that fact seriously as they seem to talk on equal term afterward.
@@wangshuping137 I kinda forgot, I plug it in a bunch of random tone checker online, I also use ChatGPT, and also try translating the line to my mother tougue since mine is also in the sino family of language, kinda figure if there's something that doesn't translate well into English, it might show at least a hint in mine. Maybe you can break down the line and why it's rude?
It is different from CN, but I can't say it feels inaccurate if you don't compare it to CN. Even though Topaz trusts Aventurine to get results there is no way she enjoys working with him, they have such different approaches to their work and Aventurine's can be rather unpleasant at times.
Topaz literally in lore doesn't particularly like Aventurine, she even says in a voiceline she's nothing like him and she sincerely hopes you never have to deal with him. She obviously will cooperate with him but its literally like a colleague she isn't going to act like she's buddy-buddy with him. For once the EN displays that the best alongside CN: both sound like someone who is putting up with someone, JP and KR completely miss that nuance from Topaz. RUclips comments missing a point of a char is on course though so not surprised
No? It’s because every other language sounds like they get along, and topaz is kind. English just makes her sound like she hates him, when she clearly doesn’t in the other languages.
@@beauuuuu5874 The Chinese dub also has a bit of an exasperated sigh. Also, Topaz isn't all kind too especially if it's business. I don't think the EN dub "hates" him. But they aren't chummy at all lol
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Chinese is the best, but english isn't that far behind this time.
@@ShiningLight you realise hoyo can make characters that are rude right? Instead of EN VAs hijacking and changing a characters personality from CN, they can just demand hoyo to add more characters with "non boring" personalities
EN VO: *annoyed Topaz sound*
What actually happened: Topaz entrusted her gemstone - the MOST important thing for a Stratagem - to Aventurine so he can gamble with it.
I think that was the IPC plan from the get go tho? Seeing how Jade also entrusted her stone and Dr Ratio "acting" Actually put progress to aventurine gamble. The way I see it, it was a set up plan that have been evaluated from the start. the real challenge is can aventurine actually pulls it off or not
But that's my theory anyway, seeing how at the end of the quest jade and topaz actually making a move like it was bound to happen
Jade and Topaz were working together w Aventurine for the plan, knowing they were not only gambling with their own gemstones but Aventurine's LIFE so not sure what you're getting at here at all lmfao
@@natpat4094 I'm saying that of course Topaz would sound annoyed, the whole idea of their operations is likely proposed by aventurine. And even though the whole ordeal gonna go well because aventurine gamble usually succeeded. Topaz as his coworkers also has her doubts that put her on edges
I'm saying this because every other comment dunked on the EN dub because they sounded harsh. But in reality they painted a perfect characterization of a coworker over worried because of their partner crazy methods on doing their business, by giving the expression "Oh no I have to do his ways of thinking" When doing their job because the crazy method apparently have 100% success
Sorry if my explanation confusing
@@faturramadhani4770 all en voices sound harsh.
Seele flashback lol
Seele when Luka: Eughh
@@AbandonDoll_10 nonono, you're an anime girl, can't be annoyed by your little brother, must talk nice and softly.
@@孙澤宇 Aventurine is too much rizz to this
@@孙澤宇 except she isnt annoyed even in the og chinese dub, only in the english one lmao
@@butitwasmedio Yeap, that was even the reason Seele was Mentioned, cuz it's the same Situation
Topaz in lore: disappointed in Aventurine.
Topaz VA in EN: Simping hardcore for Aventurine.
topaz never was disappointed in him lmao, her and ratio may be harsh with aven but they care for him a lot
@@04hinorinnn uh... sure dude.. anything to ship
@@04hinorinnnyeah you reaching bro they just tolerate him if anything but “care” is def not the case
@@kermitthefrog7963dr ratio does care, did you even see his letter for aventurine at the end?
@@kyero8724 its funny and kinda cute tho, thats enough for me.
Another Seele/Luka case
She did not have to do Luka dirty like that😭
At the end I personally don't care that much for a little tone change.
I love how most languages sound relatively friendly, and then everyone in english sounds like they just got stuck with the class clown
I only speak Chinese but that is the exact tone of voice she has in the Chinese dub
Chinese game with their Chinese voicelines: so you're just assuming you understand without actually understanding us?
not the luka and seele moment again omg
I don’t get the comments, she sounds more disappointed than aggressive. I also think it’s fitting considering it’s Adventurine
Yeah. I think Aventurine is the most hated guy in CPI.
It is becausr aven's reputation. His motto is High risk, High Return. All or Nothing. 😅 So Ambitious. He will even risk his life for winning.
Contrary with Topaz. So if anyone join with him, it will be high risky job.
People are not here for a realistic dialogue, people are here to listen to anime wifu talk in cutesy tones regardless of the context.
What you think there are that much Japanese majors in the player base? Fk no.
Why they want her to act lovey-dovey to him? I don't think it's aggressive, she just seems annoyed and it's funny
@@孙澤宇You're here for character's interpretation that EN scripts had failed for. They ruined it.
Lmao she doesn't seem to like it but they are funny
Edit: also why people hating and getting offended for Aventurine if a lot of characters act this way towards him 😐
All 10 high gems may don't like each other, but they still got it together. You can say, they want to do their own ways, than be a teammates. Altho i am personally wonder, why they are like that.
@@SylarGKIW most of the projects succeed from their teamwork and the latest quest just proved that they had quite a solid bond
I think that you just described family rather than stonehearts
@@ashanna6657 They act like family. Like, they got it together. But don't like each other.
@@SylarGKIW haha, maybe
@@SylarGKIW I mean topaz DOES see him as a friend, its just there is no reason to be NOT WARY around him
Crazy to me that people in the comments are acting like the JP voices are "original" when HSR is a Chinese game. The EN lines for both Ratio and Topaz are more accurate tone-wise to the CN voice lines than the JP ones (can't speak for KR since I don't know the language), which are too neutral and don't convey the disappointment both characters express in CN.
Someone even pointed out in JP Topaz uses language that is disrespectful when talking to your superiors, so she's NOT happy to see him at all. Idk why people are crying that EN fucked up again or whatever new thing they wanna complain about in regards to dub this week
@@shamussarrazine6623nah Topaz is using casual form of speech instead of polite form. It’s not rude per se, you could even say that they are close enough to be speaking casually with each other. Topaz has been very casual towards Aventurine since Belobog, on the phone. In fact, the cn version of Topaz is also very casual with Aventurine and is very open to working together and “taking care of each other”. EN thoo… 😅😅
“Ugh 🙄🙄🙄”
@@oreapofan Did we read the same Belobog dialogue? Aventurine literally asks why she sounds so hostile on the phone and has to beg her not to hang up on him. It is super obvious her CN voice line is surprised in a bad way if you actually speak the language. The line "taking care of each other" is just her coping -- she's saying "yeah ok, we'll put it that way so that I can convince myself to tolerate this team"
People in China have already stated they prefer the ENG versions of the VA's as well to the Japanese versions. People always go in on this game with the whole "I HATE ENG DUBS" and then they play star rail while listening to the Japanese dub which isn't cared for much by the Chinese playerbase. It's not even about being authentic to the original dub because yeah...Chinese, not Japanese. Some people just stubbornly hate ENG Dub even though it's been getting increasingly better over time.
Because jp dubs is the standard. Anime-related stuff was born in Japan and 95% of it is still made there, it's hard to ignore that and pretend JP doesn't exist just because this time it's Chinese. The very existence of Mihoyo was made possible because of JP anime.
Just because you make a burger in Sweden, that won't stop people from using the ones they make in the US as THE reference. You can't just ignore history and culture because erm, actually 🤓this is a chinese game
Not this again
they really are fighting over an unimportant voiceline that literally does nothing
right? how dare they make a cute anime charactor talk in realistic human tones.
Noo let me ship it!
@@孙澤宇right? I can’t believe any other dub didn’t put any unnecessary aggression on every voiceline and change their characterization to become a lot aggresive toward other
@@dryyynnn Right, I can't believe that other cultures where people are way more passive and avoid voicing discomfort and irritation didn't have their voice lines more aggressive like ours is.
I don't think all this arguing about Seele/Topaz's aggressiveness would even happen if they were aggressive in ALL the languages
Even If they acted like they wanted to murder them in all the Languages. If it's consistent, then fine. If they all sounded just a little surprised. Then fine, It's still consistent
But when all the languages have a consistent sounding tone and then there's EN which is different then I think that's the reason why people don't like the Aggressiveness
Exactly
I have to disagree. To me, the English version sounds the closest to the Chinese version and JP and KR are the ones making changes
@@thefanciesttortoise557
Yeah at first it sounds similar but
Extra pair of eyes won't hurt = let's look out for each other 🤔
@@thefanciesttortoise557 You don't like how they aren't consistent across them all, so same thing
@@hayond656 yes I would like consistency. I find it wierd that ever though all versions have inconsistencies I only ever see people criticise the EN dub and act like the JP and KH dub and 100% accurate
I feel like her being a little annoyed by it makes sense. Her personality definitely clashes with his, but a job is a job.
This is probably the most angry comment section on yt.
Could all the mindless EN haters cast their minds back to 6 months ago when we had the IPC takeover of Belobog? Sorry, I know basic memory is hard for you but just this once try *really* hard, okay? Topaz got demoted and Aventurine openly mocked her, they were not on friendly terms. Topaz was annoyed with Aventurine right up until Penacony was mentioned. In that moment Aventurine became her superior and coerced her into joining him for a deal related to the Penacony plan, stop pretending like she handed over her Cornerstone out of the goodness of her heart. They tolerate working together, they aren’t friends.
Not to mention, a lot of people who understand CN have said that the EN version is tonally similar to the CN version. So nobody is at fault here lol
@@shamussarrazine6623 CN version sounds like my mom when shes being passive aggressive 😂
They are friends. They're on friendly terms. She doesn't agree with Aventurines methods but she doesn't hate him. I don't know why them not hating each other makes you so mad. Like calm down
@@melmelon3393 Thank you for showing me you cannot read. At what point did I say I'm upset that other version doesn't make Topaz sound annoyed? What does make me angry is the people in here calling the EN VA's "talentless" because they supposedly "screwed it up" despite EN being the closest in tone to the original CN. In a hilarious twist, the JP dub that some fools take as gospel is actually the least accurate.
@@melmelon3393 Chat: Aventurine
"There are many unsavory characters in the IPC i dont care for, take Aventurine for instance. I sincerely hope you never run into him"
- Topaz of Debt Retrieval
Yeah she does not fw him at all.
I love how KerubielZ is trying to make a horny joke and everyone’s psychoanalyzing Topaz and Aventurine’s dynamic
They screwed up Dr. Ratio’s line about him too.. he sounds far too aggressive and uncaring despite what happened during the quest.
So real
And what happened? One note, and all the arrogance and ego of the Doctor disappears? People are so naive...
I actually think the EN Dr Ratio version is more realitsic. Lets be real, Ratio is a tsundere at heart. I think he is the type that the more he cares the more he will bully you.
@@Kunoichi4ever4 that’s fair, actually. He does seem like the tsundere type lol
@@Kunoichi4ever4Let's also be more realistic, EN voice actors doesn't take voice acting seriously. Only few EN voice actors have passion and commitment in their voice acting.
I am seeing comments with people saying that EN sounds in character and I think it's because they have only listened to EN dub as of yet so for them this is her original personality. To me this is the first time I heard Topaz in EN and she sounded completely out of character
Everyone has their preference, but honestly i love how she sounds like a tired bussiness lady being force to work in teams
But i also like her Kr , its very cute
Yes this is common in genshin and hsr; the different voice packs have different interpretations of the characters. My favorite example of this is JP Yanfei vs every other Yanfei.
@@faturramadhani4770 I am not saying any language option is bad. More like people using different dubs have different experiences of characters so there isn't really a need to argue over it
@@anmoldembla4743 I know what you're saying, I'm just trying to describe the vibe I got from the EN voice's
i think its more that in EN dub we can actually understand what are they actually saying, its easier to get the character and the vibe from them, meanwhile for JP, its harder since u can't understand what are they saying, and reading it of subs is also weird since EN sub is suited for EN dub, sometimes what are they actually saying in JP dub is not even in the EN sub, and vice versa, so if u play JP and use EN sub, you actually hear JP personality but read EN Personality😅
what i'm trying to say is EN dub is just more consistent, since both dub and sub are suited for each other. but for preference in Dub, honestly choose whatever you like and want, im just presenting a case of why people think "EN dub sounds in character"
Topaz : Do not trust Aventurine. If you happens to meet him, pls avoid him at all cost.
Also Topaz : Come to Penacony and collaborate with Aventurine.
Me : Bwahahaha.... 🤣 Sounds like my sister and brother. Sagittarius and Aries combine. Hate and love at the same time.
Literally the pair shoots of silly goofy guys
well he did offer her to come to Penacony back then in Belobog Festival arc and she said she will consider it. Guess thats why she is here (although that cornerstone...damn)
she literally entrusted him with her cornstone ! lol
tbf she probably said it because she's aware of Aventurine's mad luck
Fun fact, the english VA of Topaz is actually down bad for Aventurine, the character xD
poor girl?
Just like Seele's VA for Luka...
Huh. Maybe there isn't actual contempt for certain male characters. Maybe it's just a running gag between the VAs and voice director.
@@Michael-y9o5g so they're actually tsunderes?
@@adlilzafri2322 In canon, that's quite possible. It's not like either character is actually portrayed as misandrists. Hell, the brief convo between Topaz and the Nameless implies that there's a begrudging respect for Aventurine by Topaz for his luck and possibly his tenacity.
I think the CN, KR and EN have similar tones. It's JP that seems out of place cause she sounds way softer there tbh, is it just me?
CN and JP have the same level of softness. To me KN and EN sound more similar to each other
nope, all except EN have similar tones. The rest have a bit of awkwardness and reluctances, but there's no aggressive tone in all of them except EN.
I mean, it’s exaggerated from the CN version but I’d say EN is still pretty similar to the Chinese version. It’s not like the CN version was particularly thrilled about it either
It fells more of a sigh of shock than a sigh of annoyance in cn.
Not really I would say, in CN she sounds like she's very fine with it
Yeah she gives off a whatever type of attitude
@luckylaniang5574 it's not about what it sounds like, keep in mind Aventurine is her superior. In CN culture, the fact that she is speaking like that to her superior is insanely disrespectful.
JP version wasn't thrilled either
Aventurine is the only reason I've kept my game on English 😭
Hahhah fr im gonna keep it in eng for him
Bro fr his English VA really suits him well and his voice literally has me on my knees
The EN VA on this game slayed
Same man 😢😢 his eng va is perfect
Reminder to not hate the VAs but the localizers.
Istg the REACHING that is being done here like how tf are people saying she hates Aventurine, she just sounds tired and disappointed that there’s work to do and don’t even get me started on Ratio.
People don't realize that the only reason there's "translation issues" between EN and the other 3 is because there's a vast difference in how English works with grammar rules and other things like that compared to JP, CN, and KR. All things considered they did a good job at keeping it pretty accurate while adding their own unique spin on it
She doesnt like Aventurine at all outside of him being a good coworker, as stated in her Voiceline regarding him.
"Unsavory characters i dont care for"
You could defend EN however you want but when it's the only language who kept making things different from the other 3 you know something's up
EN try not to spread agenda: impossible
@@cakeman4527 huh they do it in honkai too?
this is why i just cant with EN. genuinely have a trust issue with their credibility
The Korean one is *too* happy.
Chinese and Japanese both sound very similar in a "Oh it's you...let's get it over with!" manner.
It's almost like they're worked on by completely different teams getting scripts that don't have adequate notes on them...kinda like how they ended up with a translation error in the EN script that nobody would've noticed if it didn't end up becoming a plot point, and then suddenly they issue a patch note saying they changed it.
I mean you can also add the screw ups from Genshin as well like how they made Ayato
Sound annoyed at Ittos antics rather then amused.
I mean if people see this aa aggressive then today generation really is very soft. Cause the only aggressive I can say is the Dr Ratio ons
@Okay-hh2ewright... Topaz getting hate while Ratio gets away with it
@@GaioMarethe hypocrisy is real, I think both are just as annoyed with his attitude(not hate, tho)
Yet, people accused Topaz hating him, while Ratio cares for him(and this while Ratio saying plenty of awful things to Aven)
I'm sure that both actually care for him, tho
Its just a bad localization
@@GaioMare so true
Dr ratio aggressiveness is really out of character like not to that extent other caring feelings need to be more prominent for ratios to be more reasonable
I assume the CN version to be the closest impression to the character true personality.
On that note. XD EN Topaz feel Cold but caring.
Topaz and her EN VA are on opposite ends of the spectrum lol
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I really like it when you include the romaji or hanji here ❤❤
Topaz EN VO doesn't sound annoyed but worried, after all, Aventurine likes to gamble everything he has all the time, his luck gives him a guarantee win but is Topaz safe? She knows she isn't
I really hate that for no reason the JP one is shown first when it is the CN one that matters. I'm not fluent in Chinese but I know a bit, and "哎？" (the sound Topaz makes) is an expression of "disappointed surprise". You make that sound when something bad, but not tragic, unexpectedly happens. Even her saying "that's fine." Is passive-aggressive and disrespectful to a superior, she should be saying "that's good!"
There is a cultural difference here where in Chinese you are expected to be respectful to those senior to you so even when she is expressing this, she speaks in a more gentle tone to show her respect to Aventurine since he has a higher rank.
Senior? I thought they were the same rank
Yeah, I think everyone complaining about EN localization has failed to consider the cultural differences at play. I don't know as much about CN, but in Japan you have to be very mindful about how you speak to your superiors if you don't want to offend them. And South Korea, similarly, is VERY hierarchical. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if every language has the same underlying sentiment, but the other three have to be more subtle about expressing it so that Topaz doesn't come off meaner than intended.
@thefanciesttortoise557 Aventurine is higher rank than her, the stonehearts are not equal with Diamond being one of the highest. We know Jade is above Aventurine and the Belobog-Topaz quest tells us Topaz is below Aventurine. Remember, Aventurine is the one who demotes Topaz rank in the cutscene.
It's also pretty obvious just based on the gem values. Topaz must be one of the lowest stonehearts because topaz is not very valuable in terms of precious gems.
@floofzykitty5072 it's been a while since I did that quest. I remember the conversation, but I forgot if he was just talking about her demotion or if he was the one demoting her
@@floofzykitty5072 are you sure it was aventurine who demoted her? Isn't she in a meeting with multiple people that use heavy filter to distort their voice when she was demoted? I didn't recall aventurine being the one who demote her
Oh no, the insufferable anti localization people found this
And people dare ship them because the VA is head over heels lol
Seele to luka be like:
Topaz: ugh I hate him
Topaz Va: *screming, giggling blushing* *makes a 20 minute video of a concert ad in star rail because aventurine was there*
I don't speak Chinese or Korean so I can only offer insight based on tone, but the Japanese and English ones aren't really all that different. Topaz is showing disrespect to Aventurine by calling him "kimi".
In English we don't really have that kind of word choice so the best way is reading it a different way.
Moreover the Korean one sounds *too* happy to see him. We fixate on the English sounding like they don't want to see him, but neither the Chinese nor Japanese tracks particularly want to see him either. They're just being reasonably polite. The fact that Topaz is using casual Japanese as well with someone who's ostensibly her superior or at least equal within the IPC is also disrespectful.
But yeah the Korean one feels the most "off".
Did people also forget that Topaz got demoted and Aventurine instantly took her spot due to what happened in Belobog and how she was mocked BY HIM for it? She didn't give her cornerstone because she wanted to
Yeah no, the japanese one has no where near the same level of digust and angst, Kimi being there doesn't implant the same feeling in the slightest or bring it even anywhere near it, tone would hurt more, and it's not there.
0:39 Very average Monday evening at the Star Peace Company.
What about the other way around?
The English voice line makes sense though, especially what just happened in 2.1.
Topaz sounds annoyed 😒 🙄 😑 😐 😤 😂 😅
im glad they at least kept words normal this time so i didnt really miss out on felling thanks to korean voiceovers
I see both sides as correct tbh. It’s not the true intention of the characters, so yeah. But tbh I prefer them disliking each other.
Apparently the EN dub is actually the closest to the intention of CN dub, according to the people who understand both
JUST TO SAY THIS .. but EN AND CN are pretty much the same.. like it's just "DISSAPOINTMENT" nothing much lol. so yeaaa I'd say EN did a great job with this one. Since CN is prob the source.
funnily enough CN and EN is pretty close in tone and characterization.
you don't express or sigh in disappointment/contemplating tone when you meet someone you consider as close friend or has a good relationship.
JP sounds way too friendly/neutral consider their exchange on Jarilo-6.
can't say for KR, i know nothing about the language and culture.
I think they have friendly banter, but their morals are completely different. I could see them having a debate on who's idea is best for the community they have to collect from.
Welp I didn't see that coming
The other language was like surprised and then goes like glad and then EN become that
Nah Japanese isn't glad to see him. She's just surprised. It's actually fairly neutral like "Oh. It's you. Let's get to it."
BUT how you read it is important: "OH! It's you again! Let's get to it." "Oh... It's YOU again. Let's get to it."
Same line different ways of reading it. And let's not even get into how translation works...
@@kyuvenespecially translation involving two languages that are nowhere near fundamentally similar
Numby: bruh wtf he just got her
I think people will never understand that tone translates differently in different languages. She's saying the exact same thing in all 4 languages but due to social statuses in asian countries she is more passive aggressive in all except EN. Hoyo fans are so stupid it's laughable
What happened to Luka and Seele? I'm new to the game
The en just make it has bad relationship despite they're in one team according to the lore. While other 3 languages just like passive-agressive kind of friendship.
why people saying EN is aggressive its literally the same with the CN version and only has difference in pitch
Cause it’s a tone difference thanks to the CN VA sounding less annoyed than the EN VA even tho they are the closest to each other
Based.
Imagine being on the same team with BTS Gypsy.
TO BE FAIR Dr.Ratio was also aggressive when paired up with him
She sounds more like she's disappointed that she doesn't get to complete the mission (deal) alone. Y'know, because their missions are like commissions. With pay.
better than seele's 100% I'd say jp the weird one here since it seems more friendly
kr shocked
en and cn annoyed
When you finish the story with JP voices Topaz sounds like she is holding back tears reporting Aventurines Gem losing color but the EN has like “I dont care“ feeling dunno who is the script writer for the EN team but he should get fired
Exactly
A lot of it isn't the script writer on the EN side, it's the CN side not providing adequate notes on what they intend for characters.
We actually have evidence of this via the mistranslated "make friends with a mute" vs "make friends with a rock" line that ended up being important. It's the CN side's responsibility to mark lines like that as plot-important so they're translated and interpreted the same way no matter what.
Calling for someone to be fired because they received bad notes is ludicrous
@@kyuven Funny how the CN doesnt provide adequate notes for the characters, but every language but english doesnt mess up, funny, no?
Stop with the bias, the EN dub should be responsible for their job and when they mess up. They changed A TON of lines in the 2.1 quest, even the last one calling Gallagher a Enigmata goon. They messed up so bad that they needed to fix it some days after the update, just like the "mute" vs "rock" thing (that didnt happen in the JP and KR dub, and thats how people found out). They consistently the only one messing up with the translations and cutting things for some reason. Stop trying to defend it.
@@SirBucelotteit’s easier to translate context and words between japanese korean and chinese then it is to english
Ее голос в Японской озвучке просто бомба
Different VA, different personalities
I don't think anyone is hating on Topaz, but rather about how inconsistent EN is compared to others.
you mispelled "better"
@@ShiningLight He spelled correct
@@ShiningLight yeh they need to do a better job on the EN dub
@@soloxd8396 nah, EN is way better
@@soloxd8396 Sounds fine as it to me
I guess people dont really like zestival
it’s really based since topaz’s voiceline about aventurine basically hoping that trailblazer don’t have to face aventurine (despite of them working together in ipc)
i'm not sure what the problem is supposed to be and frankly i cannot be bothered to care. don't know how yall do it tbh
On the one hand, it's not like Topaz really gets along with Aventurine, but the EN voice direction is just different sometimes compared to the others.
She suddenly went 40s
Does anyone else hear malkuth on the Korean voice? Does anyone here even know who that is?
EN的Topaz更有趣
I believe Topaz's outfit was ruined with the open leg. It just looks weird
Agree
Maybe I'm an oddball for thinking this, but this is not a Luka & Seele thing. Between all the translations, I wanna say it's consistent, unlike said Luka & Seele interaction.
Мне кажется, у кого то проблемы с чтением эмоций в голосах людей. Топаз звучит также рпзочаровано в английской версии, как, к примеру, и в корейской. Её голос не звучит агрессивно. Только разочарование и смиренное принятие. Как и в других языках. Прекратите хейт английской озвучки на пустом месте
Localizer am i right
I see, typical arguments here. People in the comments talking about inconsistencies when they don't know about cultural differences and how languages differ from each other. People who use voicepacks other than EN without knowing those languages themselves have no basis to comment on them - you don't know anything, so what's the point?
It's not like EN is perfect, but people in this case are just talking out of their ass.
Not only voices, but people also somehow decided that EN wasn't accurate to the lore, which just shows their lack of media literacy.
I would react like that as well 😭
EN voice direction strikes again.
Classic localizers at it again lmao.
Nah since the dialogue is virtually the same across all 4 translations BUT the KR and EN ones are on drastically different sides of the spectrum in terms of readings, this is less "the localizers" and more "the original team didn't send adequate notes on what the lines are supposed to sound like"
It's no surprise when the Chinese and Japanese ones are close enough, since those are the ones they put the most effort into since they can make the most of kanji/hanzhi and superscripting.
@@kyuven I understand that- but perhaps it’s because I’m too cynical that I see it as the fault of localizers. I find it hard to believe it’s an honest mistake instead of an intentional attempt to distort the source material for a western audience.
@@iech0526 Should probably not jump straight to believing it's malicious tampering when so many other possibilities could explain the difference just as easily.
New ship unlocked
Not the first time EN localizers in Hoyo games butchered characters personality with unnecessary extra aggressiveness/annoyance. Seele-Luka, Ayato-Itto, The latter was revised and toned down too.
Dont forget English forgot to add gallagher was a follower of mythus they either put it later or never
@@starpeep5769 The text was added after that line was recorded obvs
and the infamous "psychopath who doesnt care about liyue residence get killed" childe in EN ver compared to the rest of dub
This is just untrue? The word choice + tone in the Chinese one is very rude and I would consider the translation to be about accurate.
This is why i pick eng
Not accurate, Topaz would be hardcore simping for Adventurine. 😂
1) Stonehearts arent close, aventurine himself says this
2) Topaz litterally hasna dialogue about aventurine where she says its a not good idea to aproach him at all
3) Topaz is expressive, she is there to help him (or jade) on 2.1/2.2 so she doesnt hate his guts, she just finds him tiring wich litterally every character does lmao
4) People forgot that belobog scene where topaz gets called by aventurine really fast, litterally WHEN did game tell us that they were close?
If anything EN is the only one that sounds correct here
CN is the original and most acurrate.
1. Topaz and Jade literally entrusted their cornerstones to Aven. 'Harmony' Aven(?) Outright said that the bond between heartstones is more solid than family
2. Because Aven is full of deceit and he would make us do dangerous things without us realizing it. We just don't know or lack experiences to handle someone like Aven. But, Topaz is experienced and works with Aven almost every time(they literally on the same dept.)
3. Yeah, so tired doesn't equal hating. So why does she sound so aggressive when he hasn't done anything, yet? (Note that I actually love their en voices). Also, Topaz, Jade and Aventurine are literally working on team here, it's just Jade and Topaz only moving after Aven finished his part on the dreamscape
4.Aven was calling to checking on her, he explicitly said it himself, he even warned her that Jarilo-VI is a low reward high risk mission and he emphasized that again in the call. If anything, this just shows that he cares for her
I would agree with you about the directing in en here if my knowledge about them is still limited in 1.4
But, since we got new Insight about stonehearts, I think en actually undermining their relationship a bit here
I don't say she should sound too soft, but she doesn't need to be so aggressive, either
@@ashanna6657 Sorry but your first point being that way means you didnt read the story at all.
The WHOLE poing of aventurine having their stones was to make a WAY IN for them to enter to set up an actual IPC response as aventurine failed. Jade solely sees him as someone that takes huge risks wich is why they even gave him this quest as it was basically a death sentence while Topaz was drawn into it because of the agreement they made on Jarilo as Topaz needed to fix her mistake.
No text in game regards them as close and even he himself says ten stone hearts arent close. Topaz says its better to not come next to him and Jade solely lets him in IPC as a slave ten stone heart to entrust the craziest plans just like how it happened on Penacony
Sorry for my english it's not my mother tongue
It's CN game atleast try to make it sounds close to what they intended and why are you assuming this much with little facts ingame. They don't tell use they were close but they also don't tell us they're that distant with each other.
And you told the other person about reading while you're clearly missed something. It's not aventurine's that's in possession of sunday. It's jade's. aventurine kept it in himself as a mean to emergency. And he clearly says he broke the aventurine stone later.
@@kyarumomochi5146no offense but your claim only works assuming that jade was the one who made the plan but knowing aventurine's nature i think it's more high likely that it was him who propose the plan himself considering how huge of a gamble it was. Hell, the call he made back in belobog was him asking for topaz's help with his job on penacony which gives more credence to him being the one who planned to borrow jade and topaz's stone. Not to mention that the harmony aven that claims about the bond also clearly states that even aven lied to himself so that really doesn't say much. Mind you this 'harmony' aven knows everything about aventurine's true thoughts and feeling, he also seems to wanted aven to lay it bare, making aven confront everything in his life, starting from his past(childhood) to his future(death).
If anything. The words of 'harmony' aven are more credible than everything aven says himself. Trying to disregard it is a bit odd.
Topaz's point is that she's from IPC, works as debt collector yet her main trait is kindness, being an asshole towards Aventurine is very out of character for her
I mean the first time we hear/see aventurine he's mocking her for fucking up on Belebog by letting her morals get in the way and gloating about being her boss now? Maybe go listen to how she treats him on that phone call
@@matthewwalsh5667 well for that case it was Topaz's own faults so of course she should accepts it lol. and all the 3 dubs are cool with Aventurine, only the EN one that sounds annoyed/aggressive
english VA somehow exaggerating mad when it come to women to man dialogue like this and Seele to luka which sound like seele disgusted while JP,CN,KR VA is just normal. could be the EN voice direction doing or its their VA doing idk
They're just went woke just like how western woman should be lmao 😂
@@steyrn_I think it’s the directors telling them to do it, since the VA are friends with each other. In that case there shouldn’t be any exaggeration toward their voice
Eh I replied to the wrong person sorry
Pues no sé sobre CN, pero el doblaje JP deberia ser canon
Pero no están listos para esa conversación 😃
Didn't this also happened with Steele's va?
What's with the en va's having an unnecessary aggression?
Blame the voice director. The Va's has no beef with each other people are just spreading fake news.
Because it's fucking aventurine
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 ??
Same thing happened to Sparkle, I genuinely can't stand her combat voicelines in eng
Don't you think it's making the voice more lively and realistic. Like almost in every game especially like Genshin they just are to nice to eachother that sometimes it's out of characters. Like you said with seele tbh I think it fits her badass personality. Moreover I think sometimes CN is just too nice. And it's andventurine men...what do you expect?
Topaz doesnt dislike aventurine BUUUUTTT she doesnt like his vibe and rememver that she mentioned that aventurine does his way that gies her a headache
Topaz and jade trusts him but its gonna be a drag and a headache collaborating with him
So the EN VA was correct to an extent. The tone of the voice is correct but the wording couldve constructed better
Wtf is up with the english version?
EN went too far with the aggression to the point of being cartoonish. The CN while do sound disappointed with the sign but Topaz still kept it proffessional as you should when you're on the job. JP and KR dont show the dissapointment but still keeping it proffessional. EN make Topaz sound unproffessional and childish
The language used in the CN dub is very rude especially given the fact that Aventurine is Topaz's boss. I would not say that the tone of that sentence is "professional"
@@wangshuping137 Idk chinese or anyone who know chinese so I uses software to check the tone and language, software are not good but that's the best I have.
It said that the tone is casual, so if it's the case the rudeness is from using casual language with boss, then my point still stand. Because Aventurine being Topaz boss is him teasing her for fall off IPC hierarchy at the end of her quest, he is her boss technically but none of them took that fact seriously as they seem to talk on equal term afterward.
@@silvalgalewalker503 What software is that? also I really don't agree with the software there
@@wangshuping137 I kinda forgot, I plug it in a bunch of random tone checker online, I also use ChatGPT, and also try translating the line to my mother tougue since mine is also in the sino family of language, kinda figure if there's something that doesn't translate well into English, it might show at least a hint in mine.
Maybe you can break down the line and why it's rude?
Who tf is responsible for EN translations bruh
“As artist intended”
It is different from CN, but I can't say it feels inaccurate if you don't compare it to CN. Even though Topaz trusts Aventurine to get results there is no way she enjoys working with him, they have such different approaches to their work and Aventurine's can be rather unpleasant at times.
Its always EN lmao
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Topaz literally in lore doesn't particularly like Aventurine, she even says in a voiceline she's nothing like him and she sincerely hopes you never have to deal with him. She obviously will cooperate with him but its literally like a colleague she isn't going to act like she's buddy-buddy with him. For once the EN displays that the best alongside CN: both sound like someone who is putting up with someone, JP and KR completely miss that nuance from Topaz. RUclips comments missing a point of a char is on course though so not surprised
As much as I would agree with you, the EN just being very extra by adding the disgusted tone.
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I mean.. it IS aventurine lol people are just pretending to overreact because it is an EN dub and a female character not being so "kawaii desu UwU"
No? It’s because every other language sounds like they get along, and topaz is kind. English just makes her sound like she hates him, when she clearly doesn’t in the other languages.
Let's just indore the fact that English sounds the closest to the Chinese version.
@@beauuuuu5874 The Chinese dub also has a bit of an exasperated sigh. Also, Topaz isn't all kind too especially if it's business. I don't think the EN dub "hates" him. But they aren't chummy at all lol
Chinese is the best, but english isn't that far behind this time.
I like English the most tbh, they did a good job giving the characters some personality
every language has personality lol. whats your point
@@tardwrangler1019yea it gets a little boring when cutesy and demure is every female character’s personality
@@slytherinlady3907 how is it cutesy when she is being nice? anyway idc if shes cutesy or not, what i care is some consistency between VAs.
@@tardwrangler1019 I'd rather have brilliant variance than boring consistency. But to each their own, I guess
@@ShiningLight you realise hoyo can make characters that are rude right? Instead of EN VAs hijacking and changing a characters personality from CN, they can just demand hoyo to add more characters with "non boring" personalities
I think the English rather close with the Original (CN) rather the JP dub
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