One of my buddies from work has one of these. It's a bit rusty in the corners, but it's all original, and it's just gorgeous! It's probably the rarest car I've driven.
I am a chick & 7" is just ok but as a kid fascinated w/cars....NEVER HEARS THIS! I could identify cars at 3 by brand at 3 & models at 4. Yes..a car nerd whose hubby was named Ed, too. LOVE UR VIDEOS...can't wait 4 Mustang - we had plenty of them & might get ONE more....turboless means 8 cyl 😊
Thank you for this informative video. The 1962 Cadillac is one of my favorite Cadillac model years along with 1959. I'm sorry to admit that I had never heard of this model variation. I've always wanted to get a '62 Fleetwood 4 door hardtop which came equipped with power rear vent windows, cornering lights, and taillights which changed color between red and white. It would be cool to have the LaSalle version of a '62.
One likely reason the Park Avenue didn't sell: It had exactly the same price as its long-trunk equivalent (according to _Collectible Automobile_ magazine.) Buyers weren't too interested in spending the same amount of money for less car.
Give it about 20 years and that would be the case where people were paying hand over fist for a smaller imported luxury sedan. Like almost twice the cost for a smaller car.
Very cool. This is the kind of thing a true luxury brand does. Someone comes in with a reservation about how long the new Caddy is, and “let me tell you about the Park Avenue!”
Park Avenue was a trim on the Cadillac Deville in the 1960s that was later recycled by Buick for the model that replaced the Electra in 1991 and was replaced by the Lucerne for 2006 and the Lacrosse for 2012 the Lacrosse sold 665,000 units in the US through its run from 2004-2019
Ed - seriously- You have the best car channel out there. The way you do these insights to history, mixing facts w humor..... Nobody does it like you do. They just simply recite facts and figures and leave out the humor. If you don't have 1 million subscribers that's actually tragic. Please keep doing what you're doing..... And I would love to see you do a video that compares 57 Chrysler quality (styling success, epic build failure) compared to GM and Ford quality for 1957. I can just imagine this done in your style and sense of humor.... For all of us that love American classics, we say thankya 😎
I had one! It was a '61 Six-Window Sedan. They were also called the Short Deck Sedans. From the 62 Series. Not the DeVille Series. Thanks for featuring these!
My dad bought a '62 and he referred to is as a "Six-Window". His business partner bought a '62 at the same time but my dad said his was a "Four Window". I'm not sure that the "Four Window" was a short deck/Park Avenue. I associate "Park Avenue" with a Buick but, then, I mis-associate lots of things.
@@mikedavis7018As Ed said, Cadillac used the Park Ave name before Buick did on the rare Short Deck Sedans for '62 & '63. I think the 1st Buick Park Ave was around '70 or '71. Hope that helps!
Thirty years later I realized I was wrong about an argument thanks to you.... My boss had told me about his sixty three cadillac park avenue he had as a teenager.... At the time I owned an 84 buick park avenue. I now realized I was wrong 30 years later because Iwas calling him a liar and he didn't know dick about cars. Thanks ED😂😂😂😂😂
To me those 62's sitting in that showroom are the most beautiful things I've seen. They had personality. And back then you could instantly tell one from another. Wind resistance? Who cares. Fuel economy? Drop dead. My dad bought a 64 Cadillac limo that was this awful lime green when I was 10. It was his Christmas present for himself in Christmas of 1970.
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I remember seeing an exhibit at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles, (around 1996), which showed one of these in a small single car garage. They claimed that it was made to fit older garages.
Back in the mid Eighties, I had a chance to buy a '61 Park Avenue in my hometown. It was the town Funeral Director's personal car and was garaged and perfectly maintained since new. I can't remember who convinced me to pass on it... But the reason was "why buy two thirds of a Cadillac?"... So I went ahead and passed... But that's probably the only one I've ever seen in person.
Very interesting! Very rare cars I guess. I checked out some pictures, I think they don't look as good as the full-size cars, actually kind of like the exaggerated visualisation you made! You can tell they've been adapted from other designs without much styling effort to compensate. What a strange thing to do.
I feel like it’s proportions look better, though how space management wasn’t really taken into consideration the smaller trunk was probably crowded with the spare tire.
I'm betting that this is an example of passive resistance, or malicious compliance. Perhaps there was some internal struggle within Cadillac to introduce a somewhat smaller version in light of the 1960 rise of the American compact cars. Whoever promoted the idea won approval, and everyone else said, 'Fine. Build it. See if we sell it.'
0:35 the fact that this Buick Park Avenue has VentiPorts immediately puts it as a 2005 Model year; which was the final year of the Park Avenue before it was replaced along with the LeSabre by the Lucerne.
For anyone trying to picture the size of this car, 215 inches was also the length of the 2000s Lincoln Town Car. The Town Car was the longest normal production car available in in USA for a while, except for the Town Car L which had an additional 6 inches for the rear seat passengers.
In the early 60's, everybody was introducing their compact or mid-size cars. Falcon, Comet. Valiant, Tempest, etc,. This was probably Caddy's version at that time.
I have a dual cab ute here in Australia. A double cab pickup truck. It's a 2022 model and is considered large even for a ute. It can be difficult to park in some carparks, but it is a truck after all. A commercial vehicle. It is 5.41 metres long. That puts the size of those Cadillacs into perspective . I also own an old, 2008 Ford Falcon. A full sized, large family sedan. It's 4.9 meters long.
A neighbor had a 1960 Cadillac. She literally had to bust the drywall of the front of the garage in order to get the garage door down, and it, being made of wood, would rub against the rear bumper as it was closed, wearing notches in the door in those spots.🤣 [ so the 7 inches shorter version would have fit]. 📻🙂
Cadillac owners complained the they couldn't fit the ridiculously long early 60s Cadillac models inside their homes garage and wanted to keep their Cadillac fully enclosed. The tremendous rear overhang also scrapped driveways and parking garage ramps - it was difficult to get the ultralong berthed into tight garage parking lots too.
I have a magazine from 1961 showing the 2 caddys side by side, with the text explaining the difference in length. Unfortunately, I have no idea which magazine (probably Car Life or Motor Life) or where it is, and I certainly don't remember that it was called a Park Avenue. If I find it, I'll get back.
Seems to me even more rare than this was the 1975-76 Cadillac Mirage! The luxury version of an El Camino or Ranchero that had a truck bed! I actually saw one in a parking lot and someone told me there were only ever a few hundred of them made!
The short rear deck concept may not have been successful back then but became the industry norm in the 80’s as cars downsized and remains the norm for cars today. Proportionally the Cadillac Park Avenue is attractive.
The sales figures, according to _Collectible Automobile:_ 1961 -- Town Sedan: 3,756 (no Park Avenues this year) 1962 -- Town Sedan: 2,600 Park Avenue: 2,600 1963 -- Park Avenue: 1,575 To put this in perspective, the normal sedan sold in numbers of like 30,000 to 45,000, depending on how fancy it was.
It may have been, altho the roadster may be shorter - but I'm too lazy to look, lol. But it doesn't matter anyway - the Cimarron doesn't count, as it was just a rebadged Chevy POS! 😂
🤔 May be it was an experiment to measure how the concept of " bigger is better" was doing. My lecture: It seems bigger was better for that segment of the market.
It's very odd, your opinion of Cadillac marketing and the blasé dismissal of this shorter Cadillac… it's nice to know about, it's nice to get some information, but what's with the condescension? Or you just reveal yourself as someone who doesn't have much to say.
Thank you for doing these, Ed!
Truly amazing what oddities you dig up, Ed.
WOW! I knew Caddy made cars with extended trunks in the 1950's. But a shortened car? Very interesting.
One of my buddies from work has one of these. It's a bit rusty in the corners, but it's all original, and it's just gorgeous! It's probably the rarest car I've driven.
It was kind of common back then. In 1963 we had Star Chief. It was a Bonneville with a 6" shorter trunk.
I am a chick & 7" is just ok but as a kid fascinated w/cars....NEVER HEARS THIS! I could identify cars at 3 by brand at 3 & models at 4. Yes..a car nerd whose hubby was named Ed, too. LOVE UR VIDEOS...can't wait 4 Mustang - we had plenty of them & might get ONE more....turboless means 8 cyl 😊
Women really admire that 7-inch difference. 🫣👍🏻
Jajajaja
We're talking cars here
Focus
That's not what my last date told me...
Some of us men do as well.
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Another hit on the calendar, Ed! I'm glad you featured this rare, winged beast. Here in California, I've only ever seen one or two over the years.
Thank you for this informative video. The 1962 Cadillac is one of my favorite Cadillac model years along with 1959. I'm sorry to admit that I had never heard of this model variation. I've always wanted to get a '62 Fleetwood 4 door hardtop which came equipped with power rear vent windows, cornering lights, and taillights which changed color between red and white. It would be cool to have the LaSalle version of a '62.
Thanks for doing these. I learn something new almost every time i watch one of your videos. L,S,S'ed
One likely reason the Park Avenue didn't sell: It had exactly the same price as its long-trunk equivalent (according to _Collectible Automobile_ magazine.) Buyers weren't too interested in spending the same amount of money for less car.
And then having a shorter car than the neighbors.
Give it about 20 years and that would be the case where people were paying hand over fist for a smaller imported luxury sedan. Like almost twice the cost for a smaller car.
I noticed that these videos now have dubbing in other languages, nice!
Ha!!!!! This is the first time I've caught something so soon here. And I love your posts Ed!
Cool Fiat Panda footage from
Belgium!😀
That garage is insane.
I just discovered your channel and I enjoy it. Very creative subjects and titles.
Oh you gotta go binge watch his earlier vid'd - Ed's sarcasm is completely off the hook, he's hilarious! 😂
Very cool. This is the kind of thing a true luxury brand does. Someone comes in with a reservation about how long the new Caddy is, and “let me tell you about the Park Avenue!”
Park Avenue was a trim on the Cadillac Deville in the 1960s that was later recycled by Buick for the model that replaced the Electra in 1991 and was replaced by the Lucerne for 2006 and the Lacrosse for 2012 the Lacrosse sold 665,000 units in the US through its run from 2004-2019
Ed - seriously- You have the best car channel out there. The way you do these insights to history, mixing facts w humor..... Nobody does it like you do. They just simply recite facts and figures and leave out the humor. If you don't have 1 million subscribers that's actually tragic. Please keep doing what you're doing..... And I would love to see you do a video that compares 57 Chrysler quality (styling success, epic build failure) compared to GM and Ford quality for 1957. I can just imagine this done in your style and sense of humor.... For all of us that love American classics, we say thankya 😎
Caddy Park Avenue, for when you have a hard time backing up dat ass.😂
I had one! It was a '61 Six-Window Sedan.
They were also called the Short Deck Sedans.
From the 62 Series. Not the DeVille Series.
Thanks for featuring these!
I'd never known about these until seeing this video!
@@DanEBoyd Not many have!
My dad bought a '62 and he referred to is as a "Six-Window". His business partner bought a '62 at the same time but my dad said his was a "Four Window". I'm not sure that the "Four Window" was a short deck/Park Avenue. I associate "Park Avenue" with a Buick but, then, I mis-associate lots of things.
@@mikedavis7018As Ed said, Cadillac used the Park Ave name before Buick did on the rare Short Deck Sedans for '62 & '63. I think the 1st Buick Park Ave was around '70 or '71. Hope that helps!
Thirty years later I realized I was wrong about an argument thanks to you.... My boss had told me about his sixty three cadillac park avenue he had as a teenager.... At the time I owned an 84 buick park avenue. I now realized I was wrong 30 years later because Iwas calling him a liar and he didn't know dick about cars. Thanks ED😂😂😂😂😂
Is he still around so you can tell him about it now?
I love these advent videos Ed, Great work!
I love the four door no post cars or the 4-door sedan
To me those 62's sitting in that showroom are the most beautiful things I've seen. They had personality. And back then you could instantly tell one from another. Wind resistance? Who cares. Fuel economy? Drop dead.
My dad bought a 64 Cadillac limo that was this awful lime green when I was 10. It was his Christmas present for himself in Christmas of 1970.
I remember seeing an exhibit at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles, (around 1996), which showed one of these in a small single car garage. They claimed that it was made to fit older garages.
Back in the mid Eighties, I had a chance to buy a '61 Park Avenue in my hometown.
It was the town Funeral Director's personal car and was garaged and perfectly maintained since new.
I can't remember who convinced me to pass on it... But the reason was "why buy two thirds of a Cadillac?"...
So I went ahead and passed... But that's probably the only one I've ever seen in person.
Very interesting! Very rare cars I guess. I checked out some pictures, I think they don't look as good as the full-size cars, actually kind of like the exaggerated visualisation you made! You can tell they've been adapted from other designs without much styling effort to compensate. What a strange thing to do.
I feel like it’s proportions look better, though how space management wasn’t really taken into consideration the smaller trunk was probably crowded with the spare tire.
Ed,
You are just too good to us!
I REMEMBER the Cadillac Park Avenue, as being available only in 1962.
Happy Edvent
I'm betting that this is an example of passive resistance, or malicious compliance. Perhaps there was some internal struggle within Cadillac to introduce a somewhat smaller version in light of the 1960 rise of the American compact cars. Whoever promoted the idea won approval, and everyone else said, 'Fine. Build it. See if we sell it.'
0:35 the fact that this Buick Park Avenue has VentiPorts immediately puts it as a 2005 Model year; which was the final year of the Park Avenue before it was replaced along with the LeSabre by the Lucerne.
For anyone trying to picture the size of this car, 215 inches was also the length of the 2000s Lincoln Town Car. The Town Car was the longest normal production car available in in USA for a while, except for the Town Car L which had an additional 6 inches for the rear seat passengers.
What Movie/TV show is that clip at 0:45 from? I can't tell if that's Jon Hamm or Michael Shannon
I think it's "the shape of water"?
Good, as always
In the early 60's, everybody was introducing their compact or mid-size cars. Falcon, Comet. Valiant, Tempest, etc,. This was probably Caddy's version at that time.
Laughs nothing but laughs all these jokes on point
I have a dual cab ute here in Australia. A double cab pickup truck. It's a 2022 model and is considered large even for a ute. It can be difficult to park in some carparks, but it is a truck after all. A commercial vehicle.
It is 5.41 metres long.
That puts the size of those Cadillacs into perspective .
I also own an old, 2008 Ford Falcon. A full sized, large family sedan. It's 4.9 meters long.
The proportions are so much better
A neighbor had a 1960 Cadillac. She literally had to bust the drywall of the front of the garage in order to get the garage door down, and it, being made of wood, would rub against the rear bumper as it was closed, wearing notches in the door in those spots.🤣
[ so the 7 inches shorter version would have fit].
📻🙂
Cadillac owners complained the they couldn't fit the ridiculously long early 60s Cadillac models inside their homes garage and wanted to keep their Cadillac fully enclosed. The tremendous rear overhang also scrapped driveways and parking garage ramps - it was difficult to get the ultralong berthed into tight garage parking lots too.
I have a magazine from 1961 showing the 2 caddys side by side, with the text explaining the difference in length. Unfortunately, I have no idea which magazine (probably Car Life or Motor Life) or where it is, and I certainly don't remember that it was called a Park Avenue. If I find it, I'll get back.
Is funny that in a few years Cadillac would be making cars way bigger that they need to be, but back they want short models...
Again, I didn't know about this Cadillac. Pre-Malaise era Downsizing began in the 60s, huh? 🐰
the 76 to 79 seville was a cool looking short cadillac it looked like a miniature brougham
What differences a mid size to a full size?
A midsize would be something like a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass while a full would be a 1970 Oldsmobile Delta 88.
Seems to me even more rare than this was the 1975-76 Cadillac Mirage! The luxury version of an El Camino or Ranchero that had a truck bed! I actually saw one in a parking lot and someone told me there were only ever a few hundred of them made!
2:29 - black 63' Park Avenue, parked on the right side of the road?
I never realized how well SpongeBob music goes with the the 50s and 60s
The short rear deck concept may not have been successful back then but became the industry norm in the 80’s as cars downsized and remains the norm for cars today. Proportionally the Cadillac Park Avenue is attractive.
How many Parks were sold?
The sales figures, according to _Collectible Automobile:_
1961 -- Town Sedan: 3,756 (no Park Avenues this year)
1962 -- Town Sedan: 2,600 Park Avenue: 2,600
1963 -- Park Avenue: 1,575
To put this in perspective, the normal sedan sold in numbers of like 30,000 to 45,000, depending on how fancy it was.
@benjaminrobinson3842 Thanks. That's a lot of cars for a model nobody wanted or knew about
I thought the smallest Cadillac was the Cimarron
It may have been, altho the roadster may be shorter - but I'm too lazy to look, lol. But it doesn't matter anyway - the Cimarron doesn't count, as it was just a rebadged Chevy POS! 😂
Cadillac's version of the F85/Special/Tempest. :p
Cadillac park avenue: i am shortest among the other cadie families 😁
European cars: short.. about that size? 😳
Cadillacs were HUGE cars back then, so the Park Avenue was just kinda HUGE ?????
🤔 May be it was an experiment to measure how the concept of " bigger is better" was doing.
My lecture: It seems bigger was better for that segment of the market.
So Caddilac did an Airbus (A318-A319 shorter fusselage of the A320 airliner) earlier then Airbus did 😉
Scuse me, we all know that "Cadillac" and "small" do not belong in the same sentence.
Actually looks much better my 02
Might be sacrilege but it looks a lot better imo. Better proportioned.
A Caddy with less junk in the trunk?
Who'd a thunk it...
We all watch "Cold War motors"
It's very odd, your opinion of Cadillac marketing and the blasé dismissal of this shorter Cadillac… it's nice to know about, it's nice to get some information, but what's with the condescension? Or you just reveal yourself as someone who doesn't have much to say.
The holeedays
Ho ho ho
Heh heh, a baby Cadillac. Or maybe an economy Cadillac.
Strange, very strange, thank you for this new jewel! Before seen the video i supposed that will be a shorter rear space, as the Mercedes SE/SEL