Shadowcaster specifically mentions that Transformation doesn't block your spell casting and I completely glossed over that. I am still not a fan but the capstone ability isn't useless.
5 Monster Summoner Inquisitor, 15 Reanimator has shenanigan written all over it, since the Inquisitor archetype at 5 distributes teamwork feats to your summons, and, conveniently 15 is where the last summon upgrade kicks in 😆, though they are still summons, just something to keep in mind for Precise Strike/Outflank, since you're looking at flanking after 2 melee summons run up to an enemy 😆 Pestilence Shaman + Assassin with that comfy new Corruptor Mythic Feat has potential to chicanery, and they also released Dragon, Pummeling and Boar Styles from requiring Monk levels (Flurry of Blows) so now you can do boar style for 2d6 bonus damage 😆 Nothing else really stood out for more silliness though. 😥
I am genuinely happy to see you going back to producing content after all trials the life threw in your way in past few years. (Like it did to me too) Happy to see your good work brother. Keep going and be strong!
You have it backwards, the Shadowform explicitly says it gives you Transformation WITHOUT losing the ability to cast spells. Other than the short duration, it's an amazing buff.
Came down here to find just this comment. That last instant confused me. I still agree it's not as great as some of the other new subclasses, but I was reading that tooltip while listening and just going 'wait, what?'
I wish it were longer, the BAB increase would really help to make up for the fact that you have to take all 20 levels and can’t dip into ek or another gish class, but imo it’s not worth taking a bunch of melee feats when you’re only melee viable for one minute a day.
The Weretouched is blatantly much more powerful than the other new ones from what I can see, by a long shot. Notably, among a lot of stuff, the free disarm attempt (Rat) and free trip attempt (Wolf).
DR 15/silver from a weretiger can go a long way too. Idk if DR with different weak options still stacks (before it was that if DR has different options to blowing through, then it stacks. So, for example, DR 15/silver should stack with Stoneskin DR 10/adamantite.)
Erm, not sure about that. It seems moderately worse than the base shifter. The main advantage is you start with 3 aspects. The downside is that the base shifter has a superior alternative to every weretouched form and the combination of 5 minor aspects is quite a lot stronger than the weretouched minor aspect. Additionally, though its level 20 only, the weretouched doesnt get infinite minor aspect, and 20 odd minutes per rest where either you run it continuously or you have to remember to deactivate before a minute passes is actually rather limited in practice. Were touched can change as a swift action, but this is incredibly marginal and where its useful, primarily its after a pounce charge, and the shifter's rush feat is fine under these circumstances. The dinosaur with minor spider aspect gets a total +8 AC by level 15, immunity to AoOs, 5 attacks per round and pounce, as well as a large initiative bonus. You can also grab +6 Dex and Strength and further +6 damage with other minor aspects. This makes for a substantially more powerful form than any weretouched form. You might argue that the Weretiger is a better tank, but the DR is conditional and the healing is negligible. By endgame, yes, the dodge bonus is larger. However, you have no infinite minor aspect, so a lot of the time, you will be 6 dex down, or 1 less AC net, and have a dramatically lower initiative, which really hurts both offensively and defensively. You also dont have AoO immunity. And when it comes to offense, its not even close. 2 extra attacks and a +6 bonus to natural attack damage on top of the same strength bonus, and at endgame with unlimited use. Its not a bad archetype, though I would say the rat is far weaker in its role than the fae shifter. Werewolf is probably a better form than wolf just for tripping, though I am not sure by enough of a margin to warrant the loss chimeric aspect and dinosaur is for my money a better all round tank/damage dealer than anything weretouched has to offer. I certainly don't think its "blatantly much more powerful" than other new ones. Dual cursed oracle is a moderate improvement on an already extremely powerful class. Hag of Gyrona is an upgrade over the witch, though whilst any merged lich is extremely powerful, witch is probably the worst of the pure arcane casters. Otherwise, I do think the new archetypes are worse than pre-existing archetypes for their respective classes, but arguably, weretouched falls into the same category.
*cries in Dragonblood Shifter* Weretouched looks so good. Tandem Executioner also looks really good. Dual Cursed Oracle could be really interesting with the Oracle's Burden spell. Shadowcaster getting free spells is, sadly, pretty insignificant for a prepared caster.
Can you share some of your experience with it? I admit it sounds interesting on paper but I'm always skeptical of how new things interact with WotR's assortment of demon resistances, etc.
also fire being a better damage dealing energy type doesnt matter since you could just have a fire spellcaster in the team to make use of the gear as well
@@SaintofQuartz what makes it so strong is your ability to impede terrain and the high level of spell DC. With certain items you can just blast right through even boss resistance on tactician. Fire is better specific damage, but a lot of the cold spells just radiate out from you. Run ember as a hex fire blaster, and a shaman winter witch, and have at it.
Thank you so much for the very detailed video. Are you planning to make builds for a few of them? I would like to see how you build Tortured Crusader and Dark Lurker.
Misfortune isn't bad, you can easily spare the rev pick and it's a get-out-of-20-free card for every single enemy you meet Yeah it's not gonna come up all the time but it's still gonna occasionally put in work for the entire game
This game and its updates continue to haunt me. Now I have to do another playthrough with a weretouched character. So glad the archetype turned out well.
Regarding the reanimator’s undead creation being 1 round/level vs longer. I’m just starting WotR now coming off of Kingmaker, and as I understand it, WotR is a much more stable product (Kingmaker’s crashing - at least on PlayStation - was probably its biggest problem for me), so it might not be an issue here, but I really liked animate dead throughout kingmaker. These cheap bodies to jam up the battlefield, soak hits, and provide flanking partners for those with sneak attack were effective into the endgame, but I’ve never crashed the game as reliably as when I threw out a few too many skeletons in a combat. If there’s even a whisper of that in WotR, a longer summons time could be a detriment rather than a benefit.
So after trying WOTR when it released and dropping it halway through act 3 because I did not know what I was doing and everything was wiping the floor with me, I decided to try it again recently and Ive used your Blade aldori swordman build and Its been a blast, after I finish this playthrough I definetly want to try one on core, what guides/builds/literally any other suggestions do you have?
You would need to provide more information like what Mythic Path you are planning to run, what party, etc. From there I could give you some tips on how to make it most effective. I will say that Angel is the most powerful mythic path of them all so if you wanted an easier time with Core the Cleric-Angel combo is probably the way to go. Some people also swear by Oracle even though I am not a big fan of it.
@@SlanderedGamingYou've just reminded me why I put down the game and why I won't be picking it back up. I never finished my first run, and this DLC seemed interesting. The patch seemed interesting. New classes seemed interesting. The game is so unfriendly to people unfamiliar with DnD, and you have to plan shit out to the enth detail if you're not playing on easy. I don't want to plan everything out. I don't want to study DnD. I don't want to have to spend 5min doing a buff dance on Xbox before every interaction that has more than a trash mob.
Crpgbro is your best friend for wotr, He made the game literally easier than super mario, follow any of his guides and you will beat the game on unfair in less than 80 hours.
@@adamkadir3803I didn’t have a problem on normal and I’ve never played a DnD game in my life. You can use the premade builds for companions and your character or you can just take a class that’s strong and really easy to build like bloodrager primalist. There are also mythic paths that are more beginner friendly like azata That being said part of the games charm is its depth and complexity anyone who doesn’t like that would probably be better playing something like divinity or dragon age because you’re really missing half the experience otherwise.
"Mechanically wisdom is better than charisma" false. You can stack charisma so much in this game thanks to oracle and monk adding it to your ac and eldritch scion adding it to your attack and damage. Not to mention your will saves will NOT increase since that paladin loses divine grace which would have added your charisma to saving throws anyway.
My rankings don't take multiclassing into account. If your class does not gain AC due to Charisma then Wisdom is definitely the better choice and that's the case here.
hate to tell you pal but that got nerfed. you can't multiclass with scaled fist monk for AC anymore. no really it's on the patch note. stacking ac with CHA with oracle nature and scaled fist monk will no longer work.
My (late) take: Reanimator: I am not a fan of the alchemist and I think summoning is far too much effort to get even mediocre results. So I really don't rate this. If you really want to summon undead, the bonuses are substantial, but I think the alchemical bonus to hit and damage is probably a more practical benefit than wasting your time summoning. Alchemists have mutagen and medium BAB, so can fight passably well. They a very likely going to do more damage this way if built correctly than you can achieve with bombs. But even here, some difficult fights have only a single target, so the feature gives no benefit. Its upgrade of a mediocre class, but not by much. As an aside, alchemists are not good liches. I know there is the bomb lich power, but still, lich is all about merged casters. You need your lich to have lots of high level spells because you are going to be healing an undead party. No one else has close to enough negative energy output to heal endgame. Negative energy eruption, restore undead and blessing of undeath are all essential, and only merged casters get enough casts. Also, only merged casters even have access to these spells before rank 7, or basically, chapter 5. Flesheater: Barbarians are already mid tier and rendered basically obsolete by the skald. At level 20, its very slightly better AB and Damage than mighty rage with legendary proportions, but with significantly worse health and AC. Also, faffing around with corpse eating is annoying, particularly if you want to rest before a tough boss. The traits you absorb are mediocre (fey traits actually look decent, but there barely are any) and the active abilities not worth using over standard attacks. Its a sidegrade over barbarian imo, and clearly worse than mad dog. Hagriven: The bonuses, though substantial, are not enough to make claws a good alternative to weapons. The bloodline restriction also costs you some decent options for bloodline powers. I would say its a moderate downgrade over the base bloodrager, a fairly bad class (inferior to barbarian and inferior by far to skald), and dramatically worse than either greenrider or primalist. Ghostrider: Standard action for 1 round paralyse at low DC is not great. The loss of teamwork feats and charge bonuses is rather bad, though the loss of banner is fine as it doesnt stack with heroism anyway. The mount bonuses are all quite mediocre. The speed increase is at least useful, but I was really hoping for something like Ulbrig's death from above to make charge far more practical to use given how often LoS issues prevent it. There is synergy between vampiric blade and etheric tether, but for some reason, the mount doesnt count as undead. This mechanic is never that useful to be honest, unless you are the only one in melee. For some reason, enemies will prefer to attack literally anyone else over an animal companion and its rider when mounted. A moderate downgrade on an OK class imo. Separatist: This game has impossible domain rendering its feature obsolete. Its also got some very good cleric archetypes and this isn't one of them. Winter's Child: cold spells suck and the companion gets one attack ever. The base class is solid when merged with Angel (which can actually make fairly good use of shapeshifting), though you do eventually get the shapechange spell. Still, its neutered companion and massively delayed shapeshifting (as well as requiring a 9th level slot) for bonuses to a category of spells which suck and are completely outclassed by angel spells. Its a fairly large downgrade on a class which is decent specifically with the Angel mythic path and otherwise somewhat worse than other divine casters. Tandem executioner: Hunter base class is middle of the pack (in this setting in particular, demon slayer ranger is always better), but this is probably an upgrade overall. You are losing master shapeshifter and sense vitals, but the bonuses you and your pet get will mean you come out ahead offensively. You will lose some buffing support however. Dual cursed oracle: great class and a moderate upgrade. 2 more revelations, 2 unique revelation picks, one if which is actually quite good and bonus spells are fairly naff. However, the penalty is virtually meaningless (some curse penalties are extremely mild). Tortured crusader: Excellent base class (though you have Seelah) but very significant downgrade (in keeping with a lot of paladin archetypes). Loss of saves, of pet, of ability to heal party members and remove hard CC. But most egregiously, the gutting of divine smite. Scale half of strongly with wisdom as pally does for charisma for AB, fixed deflection bonus that will fall way behind lategame paladins and the enormous loss of mark of justice. Yes, double damage bonus on smite is nice, but nowhere near enough. Capstone and bonus feats also nice, but still not enough. Mark of justice makes you entire party hit a lot harder, hit a lot more reliably and bypass DR. Its a boss killer. Dark Lurker: Rogues are a bad base class in this game, as sneak attack damage scales very badly in such a crit centric game for martial builds. In this is a downgrade on an already bad class. 3 ranks of blindfight in exchange for 4 rogue talents, which if nothing else, could be converted into blindfight feats with combat trick and you would still have 1 feat left over. Not that you should ever go beyond blindfight 1 if you have the choice. The next 2 have far too limited value and are very poor feat picks. The teleport is merely OK. You very likely arent tanking with this guy and you need other party members in melee to enable your flanks and actually do significant damage, so getting to the targets quicker isn't actually that useful in most cases. Prophet of Pestilence: The debuffs at higher levels are a lot more than 1d4 to all stats, otherwise this would be trash. You can upgrade this very significantly, such that it is doing 2d8 stat damage per round, which can be absolutely lethal. Combined with the capstone ability, this is actually rather devastating. I don't know if corruptor also bypasses immunity to ability damage as well as poisons, because if not, these archetype will be completely shut down by some bosses. The other issue is that there is only so much you can do to push DCs of hexes, making demon is easily your best bet for this archetype (you cannot pick angel anyway due to alignment). before getting the capstone, you have to choose between the AoE mutation, which is rendered largely obsolete with the capstone, or being a single target debuffer, which honestly just is not very efficient. And ultimately, even the high stat damage AoE at capstone is still worse than other DC based builds, like weird casting demons. Its also at a pretty high opportunity cost, without other spirit picks including 2nd spirit. Its a decent variant of a decent class. Weretouched: The shifter is solid and this is a reasonable alternative though I would say ultimately a little weaker. Werewolf is an improvement over wolf if you want to focus on trips once they start getting free trip attempts. But dinosaur form is comparably high AC compared with weretiger, better initiative and better offence by some margin than any of the weretouched forms, plus, the 5 minor aspects and unlimited use at level 20 clearly beats the weretouched alternative. Geomancer: for pure sorcs, you can likely lose the feats. For a multiclass or dip, the loss of feats and spells doesnt matter. And in urban terrain, Abyss and underground, the damage bonus is actually very substantial. And between them, those 3 terrains account for the large majority in the game. Its an upgrade of a very good class. Hag of Gyronna: Pretty straightforward and substantial upgrade to an admittedly subpar arcane caster (though anything merged with lich is very strong). Btw, close range is not melee. Shadowcaster: Solid base class, but this variant isnt great. It focusses on bad spells, a profane bonus that wont stack with Nocticula's buff, the shadow can turn hostile a on 1 roll regardless of will saves and the transformation ability is really good if you could use on a multiclass, but you cannot. Full BAB is not going to make a wizard a decent fighter on its own. Might be worth considering as a legend where you can take 20 levels of this and then levels in a martial class. You also can gain benefit from the profane bonus right until the end of the game.
Ok after playing a bit I found that the nature's whisper nerf is totally stupid and unwarranted. I had this on Seelah in my current unfair playthrough (was respec 1 scaled fist 1 oracle rest into martyr using mods of course). But she wasn't nearly tanky enough for unfair. She was ok i guess but without my 2 leopards she wouldn't have survived long. She was getting around 44 ac at lvl 7. I had to respec her again mid playthrough with the changes (i stopped playing a week before waiting for update in early act 2.) Anyway im not quite there yet but soon i'll get the mythic feat for heavy armor and on top of that I'll probably take a witch dip for the lizard familiar (+1 ac) and ice plant hex (+1 ac in combo with icy protector ring so +3 ac) [+4] which all stacks with heavy armor. She's easily gonna go over 50 ac in act2 which is a lot better than before. She can finally main tank unfair. So thanks for the "nerf" my party is now a lot stronger wtf. The nature's whisper nerfs only affects oracles and scaled fists which weren't even that good to begin with, i guess it might have a minor impact on some insta caster builds but high ac is kinda wasted on casters ontside of super niche stuff and Sword saint was tankier anyway. Obviously i appreciate devs still updating game but that "nerf" was dumb. Whoever was complaining about this in the first place is dumb. It's a single player game and if youtubers recommended monk dips it's because they are needed on higher difficulties. Getting through act 1 on unfair even with respecs is now gonna be even harder than before which we didn't need. I feel like mc tank is needed even more than before which reduces versatility and choice by a lot. Again i feel like the people complaining about this weren't playing on unfair and could've just ignored monk dips altogether instead of crying on the forums about it. Crane wing nerf was good because it wasn't behaving like the description but not nature's whisper the description was exactly what it did in game. Elemental barrage nerf was also good because Sword saint was overall the best class in the game by far. I play unfair with respecs for replayability and i just want as many viable classes as possible. Obviously the game is based on the tabletop but it's fundementally different nobody would play the tabletop with "unfair" difficulty it wouldn't make any sense
Now, QUESTION...Alone in the Dark, from the paladin...this feature trigger when a summoned creature dies? cuz if it's so he can become unstopable once i deploy my spiderburst combo
@@SlanderedGaming it only takes one point of dex damage to paralyze almost any enemy in the game, and with polar night you can one shot paralyze all enemies on sight, and it has the tankiest animal companion in the game and you can even one level dip for the tether, it’s a really good subclass even on unfair
19:02 > Switching pal's casting to wisdom is a better choice, but maybe you want your char to be a talker Non-issue, one of the backgrounds just gives you an ability to derive persuasion score from wisdom too.
Prophet of Pestilence doesn't have its full "Mutations" shown. Most of the "Strong picks" come at level 10+, like one for level 14 is "Anyone that is afflicted with PoA, has to make a fortitude check every-time they use an action. If they fail the check, they lose the action and become nauseous for 1 turn", or the level 18 int bonus where enemies get inflicted with 20% confusion
Really enjoyed this breakdown. Thanks for the timely update. REALLY looking forward to trying out Tortured Crusader. Peace, love and happiness to you and yours!
Really underwhelmed by all of these. No desire to play any of these. But then I have no desire to play 2/3'rds of all these overcomplicated subclasses anyway.
As a caster Druid fan, winter child looks to be a lot of fun. Definitely offers something unique from the rest of the druid roster. Tandem Executioner seems a bit less out-of-the-box than I was hoping for, but would make for an incredible legend mythic path character. Also Hag of Gyronna seems like the ultimate debuffer class, which I'm all for because the anti-magic inquisitor subclass isn't very good.
demonslayer 20 tandem executioner 20? you get level 40 pet with boon companion ? full bab and ranger spells (you lost hunter spells ) but now you've got ranger bonuses and studied target . as slandered gaming would say, "that's bananas!!!!"
Dang, the Shadowcaster looks like it would be awesome for a shadowlich if the shadows were more useful and Shadowform works with Master Shapeshifter. It's hard to imagine the archetype working well as is.
You should've inspected "Geomaner" more properly. Read what the effects do on each given terrain. Most of them either just deal 1d6 damage (and scaling per Geomancer level) or healing; in addition to that the give different kind of debuffs or buffs. Geomancer is a must-have with at least 1 level for all Caster-based classes, or you go just 20lvl Geo and become an AoE menace. It's basically free damage to whatever action you are doing already.
Yeah, I'm feeling this as well. I feel like every damage caster is going to want to dip into Geomancer.... but maybe it's a little bugged right now? I just started an Oracle/Angel blaster play through, and I killed myself and all my enemies by casting prayer from a scroll with geomancer on... it proc'd the geomancer 1d6 dmg + stun like 3 times, and I took 3d8 damage at level 2... 😅
Do NOT take precise bombs. Get negative energy bombs. Use them to damage enemies and heal your party at the same time. And I think Dual Cursed is pretty good. Oracles burden means you can put att-4 and staggered on an enemy with one spell, and it's only second level if you took blackened, and powerless prophecy. That's pretty good. Especially since those are the best two curses anyway. And you missed the shadowcaster description saying it does NOT take away spell casting And have you seen some of the new Feats?! Focused Strike: When using power attack with a 2 handed weapon, or one handed weapon in 2 hands, you do not take the attack penalty from power attack for the first hit, available at level 1. Vital Strike+ focused attack+ always a chance= Never miss.
Yeah, I feel like duel-cursed was undervalued here, you get Ill Omen for free, one of the best 1st level spells, extra revelations, Fortune and Misfortune options. All of that for taking on another curse whose effects are rather negligible if you build correctly.
Blackened is a terrible curse to take and staggered is only on the first round of combat. I am not sure if you have tested it, but I doubt oracles burden with powerless prophecy staggers at all, and if it did, staggering for a single round is not a powerful effect. You have much better options with 2nd level spells.
@@acrab6527 Its still a bad spell. No curse is actually all that debilitating. Stagger for 1 round is 1 round and otherwise, the curse effects necessarily arent that strong (otherwise the character would be unplayable).
On Shadow magic: Shadow Evocation/Conjuration, while they do less damage than their "real" counterparts, have 2 distinct advantages: 1) If the caster is an illusionist (like Nenio) or a Shadowcaster, you get the obvious buffs from picking up (Greater and Mythic) Spell Focus, which also benefits her normal spells like Phantasmal Killer. 2) What they lack in raw damage, they more than make up for in flexibility. Each of those spells has loads of spells within them that they can pretend to be.
One thing to note, demon resistances and immunities have also been nerfed a bit, immunity to poison no longer means that they're immune to disease effects.
Just a note about dual-cursed oracle, while I agree with you about Fortune, I think you're gravely underrating Misfortune. Not only does it have unlimited uses (compared to say the div wizard in 5e), it also presumably stacks with protective luck and it prevents an enemies' only way to hit your party when their AC is higher than the enemy's attack bonus by forcing a reroll. I'd be interested in learning if the 'can only be used once per day per enemy' clause triggers before or after protective luck resolves, as if it doesn't count the 20 that isnt chosen from the 2 die rolls, this effectively prevents you from being hit, like period.
Grumble grumble but Ghost Rider is so COOL grumble... That aside: there is one area where Dual-Cursed Oracle might earn a higher ranking than you've considered here, and that's on Unfair difficulty. For most tank characters the *only* time you will ever take damage is when you get critically hit, and considering Unfair's huge boost to damage received, that matters a LOT. A character that has received Protective Ward from someone with hexes and the protection of a Dual Cursed Oracle will almost never, ever actually end up taking damage simply because even if the enemy somehow managed to roll 2 natural 20s, one gets reduced to a natural 1 critical miss. For every other difficulty, any character that's going for critical hits is going to love the blessing simply because a nat 1 is suddenly a nat 20 which is effectively Improved Critical without having to pay anything for it. That also means you never even have to consider Always A Chance as a mythic power (although it wasn't that desirable to begin with, and now there are some *tasty* armor mythics to consider).
Thanks for the great review of all the classes Slandered! Obviously it goes without saying I am going Weretouched for my next play through as the next best thing to actually being a ratfolk like you said in the video. But its great to hear that you evaluated it so high though. Love your content as always! :D
So we get an actually intresting and worth playing (both mechanically and thematically, as well as not-clashing with seelah) paladin, a natural weapon bloodrager and a werewolf? Damn, how do i choose? I guess i can finally make that aeon paladin i kept on wanting to do, but never wanted to. That's nice. Guess i have something to play untill rogue trader comes out.
Tortured Crusader is a much better option than it first seems due to a multitude of reasons. 1) You'll have many more smites than your regular Paladin due to being able to convert lay on hands into smites. 2) Alone in the Dark, because it triggers off of summons' deaths as well. You can basically stack weak summons onto your enemies before the battle starts and get a crazy amount of AC and bonus attack/damage just from a single passive ability. You combine that with a certain ring and the fun begins. 3) Final Justice stacks well with Mark of Justice, I tested it and you basically melt bosses with this combo. Tortured Crusader is very much a more offense oriented Paladin. The only do here is to wait and see if the second point gets patched or not, the text simply states allies. The flavour does seem to imply that should get the bonus from deaths of your fellow crusaders NPCs, and summons are held in the same regard by the game as your ally crusader NPCs. Duel-Cursed Oracle is a straight upgrade, and i don't why you rated it so low. The main problem with most of the other archetypes of Oracle is that you lose Revelations, a key unique component of the class. This Archetype not only doesn't take away revelations but adds additional ones, there is also Misfortune (An extremely good revelation that can save your allies, the limitation of once a day doesn't matter because you're constantly fighting new enemies.) and Ill Omen for when you really want to CC an enemy. Edit: It seems that I was correct, as of patch 2.2.2 "Alone in the Dark ability was getting incorrect bonuses from the death of summoned units - fixed", still the other features of the class make it worth considering, the capstone bonus is certainly unique.
I probably did underrate Dual-Cursed and it's because I don't like Oracle in general. I know some people love it but it's not my thing. Didn't know about point #2 that's pretty huge. Also based on the description I didn't think Final Justice stacks with MoJ. Strongly considering a Tortured Crusader for my next run.
Personally, I would say tortured crusader is fairly bad. You probably dont want to run two paladins, and unless you do, the stacking is moot. Would you rather have a substantially lower bonus to AB, AC and lose the ability to apply these benefits to all your party, in exchange for an additional +20 damage on one target, assuming you actually hit (which you are less likely to do)? I just think the trade is a complete non starter. If alone in the dark stacks off summons, this I expect is a bug and will hopefully be fixed. It surely cannot be intended to spam low level summons to stack the buff. Losing the ability to cleanse crowd control on party members sucks, losing the bonus to saves sucks, having to pick weapon bond over horse sucks. Bonus feats are nice and the capstone is nice (but very lategame). However, I am still definitely going to want to take Seelah (who also gets the unique and very powerful shielding companion ability), so I am never taking this. I would agree, Dual cursed oracle is a moderate upgrade and its already one of the best classes in the game.
Ghost Rider c tier… Sure-like you said;)! But it’s one smaaall thing-Ghost Rider with Kiss of Vampire on hands is just immortal! All damage from pet rider take to himself, but taking temporary hp in Thousands is no problem at all:) 3x damage on charge with Kiss of Vampire and 400-600 temporary hp without crit… infinite… and damage goes only on rider with all that hp… c tier;)
Shadowcaster by itself might not be high ranking. But for someone who loves Arcane Trickster builds, it's perfect for my Legend run. Just a 5 lv dip for easy blindsight. Rest are Dark Lurker, Arcane Trickster, and Eldritch knight. Been dreaming years of putting them all together with a Shadow plane theme
Shadowcaster is a bad design. Agreed. Any Wizard can just select the Shadow spells or buy them... so a good design would be to make that character better at using them or make their Shadow summons much more powerful. I fail to see the advantage of using it over a normal Wizard or other Wizard archetype who simply selects Shadow spells.
Woohoo finally got this DLC now its time to go legend path so i can have 20 levels of Beast tamer and 20 levels of reanimator lol that should make my character like a champion summoner lol
Going to have to bump up Prophet of Pestillence. The stat damage mutations are just the level 1 options. For example, Take the Wisdom damage one. After that you can take a mutation that also applies confusion to anyone afflicted by the disease. Or the Con damage one, can be followed by one that exhausts the enemy and makes them pass a fort save to not become nauseated every round. Or level drain, or spreading the disease to every enemy within 10 feet of the guy who failed a save! Same with Tandem Executioner. Those first 4 are just the ones you can get at level 1. My favorite is Push and Bite, that lets you bullrush any enemy your pet threatens when you shoot them. Your pet also gets a 100% accuracy attack of opportunity against that enemy.
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was looking to see what is the perfect pairing for lich? I am heavily considering reanimator but i am not sure, since they do after all lose access to level 10 spells, cuoromancer might be better? what do you think?
Of the two I would definitely say Cruoromancer is the better option. You might also want to go the Sorceror route since in the end Charisma will determine your Constitution and is more useful to you than Intelligence.
I am personally looking forward to the reanimator class. I like the idea of a lawful evil mad scientist type who has the potential to become a lich. My present playthrough is as a chaotic good Dirge Bard Azata, so this will be a complete thematic opposite.
This is extremally well done. What a breakdown!! You made me get the Season Pass with how well your presentation was done for the 15 subclasses. Hope you have a great day.
To me that counts against it because there's probably a ton of enemies who are highly resistant to ice damage and you don't get mythic abilities to bypass that.
I'm disappointed with Geomancer for the opposite reason. I wanted something where I had to change up my playstyle and play different roles on different terrains. But outside of forests and mountains, the subclass seems to basically be "when you cast spells, bad things get hurt". All those other terrains do some form of [spell level]D6 damage to everything in 30 feet (saves look to be for the secondary debuffs, not the damage) at no action cost and very little health. For the spell and feat variety you sacrifice, it's painfully one-note. If I want to turn my HP bar into elemental pewpew, Kineticist is already really good at that.
I feel like the class would greatly benefit from an additional feature later on in the class progression where you could "change" the terrain type a few times per day, would really suit the flavour and make this class more worthwhile to use.
Thanks for your review. However, having a Tortured Crusader in the party allows you to use him to discover everything and everything (thanks to wisdom). Actually, that's what I did. The most interesting thing, of course, begins at level 11, when he receives the "Final Justice" and Seelah the "Mark of Justice". Any dangerous opponent is simply disintegrated in a matter of rounds.
I really like Tortured Crusader, though I wish there were more roleplaying dialogue options (unfortunately, there are SO many archetypes they probably couldn't possibly go into more unique options for each).
@@kingleech16 Yes, it would be great if each individual subclass had its own unique interactions. I believe Owlcat did not have enough time and resources for this, and probably also expediency. For some reason, I think that the majority of players still play either the base class or even OP builds and do not pay attention to all the variety.
3 Months in, Tandem Executioner for the win. The bonuses it gives stack with every attack(May be a glitch or so I've been told), so using something with MANY attacks, like say, a Smilidon, gives a huge boost to damage output. Mix in a duel wielding type with a third natural attack like a bite, and you do lots more damage, and hit more often with everything. Mix with Trickster's always roll 20s ability, and you basically set the mounted character to puree every time they hit something thanks to AoO's procing constantly based off crits. Also, still affects Aivu, who is the best.
@@SlanderedGaming Probably. I've been told it's only supposed to affect main attacks, Rules as Written, and of course, they've said already it's not supposed to affect Aivu, Devourer of Cookies...I want it to since she deserves it after all the nerfing...which still left her stronger than several party members, to be fair, but she deserves a treat.
1) Ghost rider is a cool 1 lvl dip for pal or sylvan sorc. Just for cool mount and paralyse effect 2) switching to wisdom as pal is super bad. Becouse you have a spell that add you char modifier to ALL saving throws. Alone in the dark is op. Becouse it works with summoned creatures
Whatever the mechanics, from a fluff perspective Flesheater feels like it was designed for Wenduag or a Demon run, being a cannibal to absorb her victims power is her whole stick
I kind of already knew which ones would appeal to me most; the Reanimator, Tandem Executioner and the Weretouched. Although the Reanimator Lich is definitely not the most powerful Lich combo, RPG wise it seems most suitable. Imagine a devotee of Urgathoa who specialises in disection and using alchemy to forge the Undead. I think it would work pretty well. I am less worried about the damage reduction simply because the real strength of negative energy bombs is their unsavable energy drain! I might be wrong about this but is the create greater undead spell new? I don't recall it being in the game. Thanks for covering this.
You might be right. It's be so long that it's hard to recognize whether or not spells are new. I was hoping a list of new spells would be in the patch notes but that doesn't appear to be the case. LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Confirmed it is a new spell. Create Greater Undead. Quite potent; Devourers which energy drain each attack or shadows that drain strrength.
Honestly? I feel like every single new archetype it at least from a flavor/rp angle. And hey, even if you don't care for Geomancer, it at least tries to have the best effects when standing in the most common areas in the game. I could really see it being really fun to at least mess around with as a 1 level dip, because the geomancy ability doesn't scale off of sorc level at all. I guess I think it's a little funny we got two hag-adjacent archetypes, including a fully modeled hag companion, but as far as I am aware Hagborn was not updated with the capstone to actually turn you into that same model, despite that being the whole concept of the class.
I wonder if there is a correspondent Mythic Ability that gives you your capstone ability like the mythic feat Bloodline Ascendant for sorcerers. I've already made a Weretouched Shifter and have begun another playthrough. It's still two weeks before Rogue Trader gets a full release.
I'd wait for the last DLC to drop to buy the Season Pass for the better discount. Ghost Rider is a very favorable choice to RP as Ghost-Rider(surprise-surprise!) and Hag-Riven is the go-to choice for Wolverine from the table top players. Shadowcaster really said you are a gish now at capstone with the perma-Transformation.
What's the point in the Separatist when there's the impossible domain mythic ability? And the trickster tricks? I ended up with 5 domains in my current playthrough.
Basically it allows you to do the same thing without burning a mythic ability or being forced into Trickster. Doesn't provide something different but gives you a potentially easier way to go about it.
When Penta was released as a musical reference and an instrument in hands, I was expecting a new Bard subclass, but I'm happy with the DLC and the subclasses presented
Any links for Tandem executioners full list of techniques? You can pick 6 times while leveling and only 4 techniques on the list shown. Also traits for Flesheater?
A New Favourite Toy would be great with Lann. Pairing Tortured Crusader with the mounted Monk archetype in the Legend Mythic Path could be a nice build. Don't forget about Reduce Person for Dark Lurkers. The fear bonus likely affects the Hag more than the Witch. I would give the Shadowcaster a B+ given that Shadowform allows you to cast high-level spells safely within melee range.
Tortured crusader's Final justice could be amazing against bosses with build relying on misses(mythic ability alowing deal str mod damage on missis) if increasing damage on every attack not imply hit
The main thing about hag riven that appeals to me is that it basically allows you to play with those awesome claws from Shifter without all the pesky wildshaping.
Shadowcaster specifically mentions that Transformation doesn't block your spell casting and I completely glossed over that. I am still not a fan but the capstone ability isn't useless.
what's your updated ranking in light of that?
also umbral mind is there to literally counter the increasing will saves of your summons...
Having Winter Child in the DLC might be like having Firstworld Defender in Kingmaker.
5 Monster Summoner Inquisitor, 15 Reanimator has shenanigan written all over it, since the Inquisitor archetype at 5 distributes teamwork feats to your summons, and, conveniently 15 is where the last summon upgrade kicks in 😆, though they are still summons, just something to keep in mind for Precise Strike/Outflank, since you're looking at flanking after 2 melee summons run up to an enemy 😆
Pestilence Shaman + Assassin with that comfy new Corruptor Mythic Feat has potential to chicanery, and they also released Dragon, Pummeling and Boar Styles from requiring Monk levels (Flurry of Blows) so now you can do boar style for 2d6 bonus damage 😆
Nothing else really stood out for more silliness though. 😥
I am genuinely happy to see you going back to producing content after all trials the life threw in your way in past few years. (Like it did to me too) Happy to see your good work brother. Keep going and be strong!
You have it backwards, the Shadowform explicitly says it gives you Transformation WITHOUT losing the ability to cast spells. Other than the short duration, it's an amazing buff.
Yup you are right. Thanks for calling that out.
Came down here to find just this comment. That last instant confused me. I still agree it's not as great as some of the other new subclasses, but I was reading that tooltip while listening and just going 'wait, what?'
I wish it were longer, the BAB increase would really help to make up for the fact that you have to take all 20 levels and can’t dip into ek or another gish class, but imo it’s not worth taking a bunch of melee feats when you’re only melee viable for one minute a day.
Amazing buff but the overall archetype isnt great.
The Weretouched is blatantly much more powerful than the other new ones from what I can see, by a long shot. Notably, among a lot of stuff, the free disarm attempt (Rat) and free trip attempt (Wolf).
Yeah they did an awesome job with those mechanics.
DR 15/silver from a weretiger can go a long way too. Idk if DR with different weak options still stacks (before it was that if DR has different options to blowing through, then it stacks. So, for example, DR 15/silver should stack with Stoneskin DR 10/adamantite.)
Erm, not sure about that. It seems moderately worse than the base shifter. The main advantage is you start with 3 aspects. The downside is that the base shifter has a superior alternative to every weretouched form and the combination of 5 minor aspects is quite a lot stronger than the weretouched minor aspect. Additionally, though its level 20 only, the weretouched doesnt get infinite minor aspect, and 20 odd minutes per rest where either you run it continuously or you have to remember to deactivate before a minute passes is actually rather limited in practice.
Were touched can change as a swift action, but this is incredibly marginal and where its useful, primarily its after a pounce charge, and the shifter's rush feat is fine under these circumstances.
The dinosaur with minor spider aspect gets a total +8 AC by level 15, immunity to AoOs, 5 attacks per round and pounce, as well as a large initiative bonus. You can also grab +6 Dex and Strength and further +6 damage with other minor aspects. This makes for a substantially more powerful form than any weretouched form.
You might argue that the Weretiger is a better tank, but the DR is conditional and the healing is negligible. By endgame, yes, the dodge bonus is larger. However, you have no infinite minor aspect, so a lot of the time, you will be 6 dex down, or 1 less AC net, and have a dramatically lower initiative, which really hurts both offensively and defensively. You also dont have AoO immunity. And when it comes to offense, its not even close. 2 extra attacks and a +6 bonus to natural attack damage on top of the same strength bonus, and at endgame with unlimited use.
Its not a bad archetype, though I would say the rat is far weaker in its role than the fae shifter. Werewolf is probably a better form than wolf just for tripping, though I am not sure by enough of a margin to warrant the loss chimeric aspect and dinosaur is for my money a better all round tank/damage dealer than anything weretouched has to offer.
I certainly don't think its "blatantly much more powerful" than other new ones. Dual cursed oracle is a moderate improvement on an already extremely powerful class. Hag of Gyrona is an upgrade over the witch, though whilst any merged lich is extremely powerful, witch is probably the worst of the pure arcane casters. Otherwise, I do think the new archetypes are worse than pre-existing archetypes for their respective classes, but arguably, weretouched falls into the same category.
*cries in Dragonblood Shifter* Weretouched looks so good. Tandem Executioner also looks really good. Dual Cursed Oracle could be really interesting with the Oracle's Burden spell. Shadowcaster getting free spells is, sadly, pretty insignificant for a prepared caster.
Yeah the Shifter option looks FANTASTIC.
Devs on stream said that they thinking about changing stuff in dragonblood, so hope remains.
Oracle's burden is pretty terrible no matter how many curses you have, but its a moderate improvement on an already great class.
The winter child was extremely enjoyable to play for me. You do lose out on damage but the control you gain is worth it.
Yup looked like it would be a good time.
Can you share some of your experience with it? I admit it sounds interesting on paper but I'm always skeptical of how new things interact with WotR's assortment of demon resistances, etc.
also fire being a better damage dealing energy type doesnt matter since you could just have a fire spellcaster in the team to make use of the gear as well
@@shikimori9467 right. I honestly use ember as my fire slinger and backup healer, and for that evil eye.
@@SaintofQuartz what makes it so strong is your ability to impede terrain and the high level of spell DC. With certain items you can just blast right through even boss resistance on tactician. Fire is better specific damage, but a lot of the cold spells just radiate out from you. Run ember as a hex fire blaster, and a shaman winter witch, and have at it.
This is an amazing breakdown. Thanks, man. Been waiting for this.
My pleasure!
Thank you so much for the very detailed video. Are you planning to make builds for a few of them? I would like to see how you build Tortured Crusader and Dark Lurker.
At some point yes but probably not soon because I need to work on Rogue Trader content before that game comes out.
Great to see you back in good form brother. Keep up the content
Thank you!
Misfortune isn't bad, you can easily spare the rev pick and it's a get-out-of-20-free card for every single enemy you meet
Yeah it's not gonna come up all the time but it's still gonna occasionally put in work for the entire game
Bummer to see that Ghost Rider is underwhelming. I haven't used a Cavalier in any of my games yet, so it was the one I was looking forward to most!
Cavalier is awesome but yeah Ghost Rider isn't getting it done.
Ayy man your vids are helping me play a primalist rn. Thank you
Glad to hear it!
@@SlanderedGaming yeah man ty!!
This game and its updates continue to haunt me. Now I have to do another playthrough with a weretouched character. So glad the archetype turned out well.
Me too! Owlcat did a great job.
Thanks to DLC3 with the Roguelike mode, I might jump back in soon to check out that sick looking Paladin class.
Nice hope you like it!
Regarding the reanimator’s undead creation being 1 round/level vs longer. I’m just starting WotR now coming off of Kingmaker, and as I understand it, WotR is a much more stable product (Kingmaker’s crashing - at least on PlayStation - was probably its biggest problem for me), so it might not be an issue here, but I really liked animate dead throughout kingmaker. These cheap bodies to jam up the battlefield, soak hits, and provide flanking partners for those with sneak attack were effective into the endgame, but I’ve never crashed the game as reliably as when I threw out a few too many skeletons in a combat. If there’s even a whisper of that in WotR, a longer summons time could be a detriment rather than a benefit.
Nah WotR is SIGNIFICANTLY more stable than Kingmaker.
So after trying WOTR when it released and dropping it halway through act 3 because I did not know what I was doing and everything was wiping the floor with me, I decided to try it again recently and Ive used your Blade aldori swordman build and Its been a blast, after I finish this playthrough I definetly want to try one on core, what guides/builds/literally any other suggestions do you have?
You would need to provide more information like what Mythic Path you are planning to run, what party, etc. From there I could give you some tips on how to make it most effective. I will say that Angel is the most powerful mythic path of them all so if you wanted an easier time with Core the Cleric-Angel combo is probably the way to go. Some people also swear by Oracle even though I am not a big fan of it.
@@SlanderedGamingYou've just reminded me why I put down the game and why I won't be picking it back up.
I never finished my first run, and this DLC seemed interesting. The patch seemed interesting. New classes seemed interesting.
The game is so unfriendly to people unfamiliar with DnD, and you have to plan shit out to the enth detail if you're not playing on easy. I don't want to plan everything out. I don't want to study DnD. I don't want to have to spend 5min doing a buff dance on Xbox before every interaction that has more than a trash mob.
Crpgbro is your best friend for wotr, He made the game literally easier than super mario, follow any of his guides and you will beat the game on unfair in less than 80 hours.
@@adamkadir3803I didn’t have a problem on normal and I’ve never played a DnD game in my life. You can use the premade builds for companions and your character or you can just take a class that’s strong and really easy to build like bloodrager primalist. There are also mythic paths that are more beginner friendly like azata
That being said part of the games charm is its depth and complexity anyone who doesn’t like that would probably be better playing something like divinity or dragon age because you’re really missing half the experience otherwise.
"Mechanically wisdom is better than charisma" false. You can stack charisma so much in this game thanks to oracle and monk adding it to your ac and eldritch scion adding it to your attack and damage. Not to mention your will saves will NOT increase since that paladin loses divine grace which would have added your charisma to saving throws anyway.
My rankings don't take multiclassing into account. If your class does not gain AC due to Charisma then Wisdom is definitely the better choice and that's the case here.
hate to tell you pal but that got nerfed. you can't multiclass with scaled fist monk for AC anymore. no really it's on the patch note. stacking ac with CHA with oracle nature and scaled fist monk will no longer work.
@SlanderedGaming even then. Paladin gets charisma to saves, this one doesn't, it's at best a net 0
My (late) take:
Reanimator: I am not a fan of the alchemist and I think summoning is far too much effort to get even mediocre results. So I really don't rate this.
If you really want to summon undead, the bonuses are substantial, but I think the alchemical bonus to hit and damage is probably a more practical benefit than wasting your time summoning. Alchemists have mutagen and medium BAB, so can fight passably well. They a very likely going to do more damage this way if built correctly than you can achieve with bombs. But even here, some difficult fights have only a single target, so the feature gives no benefit. Its upgrade of a mediocre class, but not by much.
As an aside, alchemists are not good liches. I know there is the bomb lich power, but still, lich is all about merged casters. You need your lich to have lots of high level spells because you are going to be healing an undead party. No one else has close to enough negative energy output to heal endgame. Negative energy eruption, restore undead and blessing of undeath are all essential, and only merged casters get enough casts. Also, only merged casters even have access to these spells before rank 7, or basically, chapter 5.
Flesheater: Barbarians are already mid tier and rendered basically obsolete by the skald. At level 20, its very slightly better AB and Damage than mighty rage with legendary proportions, but with significantly worse health and AC. Also, faffing around with corpse eating is annoying, particularly if you want to rest before a tough boss. The traits you absorb are mediocre (fey traits actually look decent, but there barely are any) and the active abilities not worth using over standard attacks. Its a sidegrade over barbarian imo, and clearly worse than mad dog.
Hagriven: The bonuses, though substantial, are not enough to make claws a good alternative to weapons. The bloodline restriction also costs you some decent options for bloodline powers. I would say its a moderate downgrade over the base bloodrager, a fairly bad class (inferior to barbarian and inferior by far to skald), and dramatically worse than either greenrider or primalist.
Ghostrider: Standard action for 1 round paralyse at low DC is not great. The loss of teamwork feats and charge bonuses is rather bad, though the loss of banner is fine as it doesnt stack with heroism anyway. The mount bonuses are all quite mediocre. The speed increase is at least useful, but I was really hoping for something like Ulbrig's death from above to make charge far more practical to use given how often LoS issues prevent it.
There is synergy between vampiric blade and etheric tether, but for some reason, the mount doesnt count as undead. This mechanic is never that useful to be honest, unless you are the only one in melee. For some reason, enemies will prefer to attack literally anyone else over an animal companion and its rider when mounted.
A moderate downgrade on an OK class imo.
Separatist: This game has impossible domain rendering its feature obsolete. Its also got some very good cleric archetypes and this isn't one of them.
Winter's Child: cold spells suck and the companion gets one attack ever. The base class is solid when merged with Angel (which can actually make fairly good use of shapeshifting), though you do eventually get the shapechange spell. Still, its neutered companion and massively delayed shapeshifting (as well as requiring a 9th level slot) for bonuses to a category of spells which suck and are completely outclassed by angel spells. Its a fairly large downgrade on a class which is decent specifically with the Angel mythic path and otherwise somewhat worse than other divine casters.
Tandem executioner: Hunter base class is middle of the pack (in this setting in particular, demon slayer ranger is always better), but this is probably an upgrade overall. You are losing master shapeshifter and sense vitals, but the bonuses you and your pet get will mean you come out ahead offensively. You will lose some buffing support however.
Dual cursed oracle: great class and a moderate upgrade. 2 more revelations, 2 unique revelation picks, one if which is actually quite good and bonus spells are fairly naff. However, the penalty is virtually meaningless (some curse penalties are extremely mild).
Tortured crusader: Excellent base class (though you have Seelah) but very significant downgrade (in keeping with a lot of paladin archetypes). Loss of saves, of pet, of ability to heal party members and remove hard CC. But most egregiously, the gutting of divine smite. Scale half of strongly with wisdom as pally does for charisma for AB, fixed deflection bonus that will fall way behind lategame paladins and the enormous loss of mark of justice. Yes, double damage bonus on smite is nice, but nowhere near enough. Capstone and bonus feats also nice, but still not enough. Mark of justice makes you entire party hit a lot harder, hit a lot more reliably and bypass DR. Its a boss killer.
Dark Lurker: Rogues are a bad base class in this game, as sneak attack damage scales very badly in such a crit centric game for martial builds. In this is a downgrade on an already bad class. 3 ranks of blindfight in exchange for 4 rogue talents, which if nothing else, could be converted into blindfight feats with combat trick and you would still have 1 feat left over. Not that you should ever go beyond blindfight 1 if you have the choice. The next 2 have far too limited value and are very poor feat picks. The teleport is merely OK. You very likely arent tanking with this guy and you need other party members in melee to enable your flanks and actually do significant damage, so getting to the targets quicker isn't actually that useful in most cases.
Prophet of Pestilence: The debuffs at higher levels are a lot more than 1d4 to all stats, otherwise this would be trash. You can upgrade this very significantly, such that it is doing 2d8 stat damage per round, which can be absolutely lethal. Combined with the capstone ability, this is actually rather devastating. I don't know if corruptor also bypasses immunity to ability damage as well as poisons, because if not, these archetype will be completely shut down by some bosses. The other issue is that there is only so much you can do to push DCs of hexes, making demon is easily your best bet for this archetype (you cannot pick angel anyway due to alignment). before getting the capstone, you have to choose between the AoE mutation, which is rendered largely obsolete with the capstone, or being a single target debuffer, which honestly just is not very efficient. And ultimately, even the high stat damage AoE at capstone is still worse than other DC based builds, like weird casting demons. Its also at a pretty high opportunity cost, without other spirit picks including 2nd spirit. Its a decent variant of a decent class.
Weretouched: The shifter is solid and this is a reasonable alternative though I would say ultimately a little weaker. Werewolf is an improvement over wolf if you want to focus on trips once they start getting free trip attempts. But dinosaur form is comparably high AC compared with weretiger, better initiative and better offence by some margin than any of the weretouched forms, plus, the 5 minor aspects and unlimited use at level 20 clearly beats the weretouched alternative.
Geomancer: for pure sorcs, you can likely lose the feats. For a multiclass or dip, the loss of feats and spells doesnt matter. And in urban terrain, Abyss and underground, the damage bonus is actually very substantial. And between them, those 3 terrains account for the large majority in the game. Its an upgrade of a very good class.
Hag of Gyronna: Pretty straightforward and substantial upgrade to an admittedly subpar arcane caster (though anything merged with lich is very strong). Btw, close range is not melee.
Shadowcaster: Solid base class, but this variant isnt great. It focusses on bad spells, a profane bonus that wont stack with Nocticula's buff, the shadow can turn hostile a on 1 roll regardless of will saves and the transformation ability is really good if you could use on a multiclass, but you cannot. Full BAB is not going to make a wizard a decent fighter on its own. Might be worth considering as a legend where you can take 20 levels of this and then levels in a martial class. You also can gain benefit from the profane bonus right until the end of the game.
It's weird that many of the new archetypes have significant mechanic upgrades that you cannot see in their description.
Ok after playing a bit I found that the nature's whisper nerf is totally stupid and unwarranted. I had this on Seelah in my current unfair playthrough (was respec 1 scaled fist 1 oracle rest into martyr using mods of course). But she wasn't nearly tanky enough for unfair. She was ok i guess but without my 2 leopards she wouldn't have survived long. She was getting around 44 ac at lvl 7. I had to respec her again mid playthrough with the changes (i stopped playing a week before waiting for update in early act 2.) Anyway im not quite there yet but soon i'll get the mythic feat for heavy armor and on top of that I'll probably take a witch dip for the lizard familiar (+1 ac) and ice plant hex (+1 ac in combo with icy protector ring so +3 ac) [+4] which all stacks with heavy armor. She's easily gonna go over 50 ac in act2 which is a lot better than before. She can finally main tank unfair. So thanks for the "nerf" my party is now a lot stronger wtf. The nature's whisper nerfs only affects oracles and scaled fists which weren't even that good to begin with, i guess it might have a minor impact on some insta caster builds but high ac is kinda wasted on casters ontside of super niche stuff and Sword saint was tankier anyway. Obviously i appreciate devs still updating game but that "nerf" was dumb. Whoever was complaining about this in the first place is dumb. It's a single player game and if youtubers recommended monk dips it's because they are needed on higher difficulties. Getting through act 1 on unfair even with respecs is now gonna be even harder than before which we didn't need. I feel like mc tank is needed even more than before which reduces versatility and choice by a lot. Again i feel like the people complaining about this weren't playing on unfair and could've just ignored monk dips altogether instead of crying on the forums about it. Crane wing nerf was good because it wasn't behaving like the description but not nature's whisper the description was exactly what it did in game. Elemental barrage nerf was also good because Sword saint was overall the best class in the game by far. I play unfair with respecs for replayability and i just want as many viable classes as possible. Obviously the game is based on the tabletop but it's fundementally different nobody would play the tabletop with "unfair" difficulty it wouldn't make any sense
Now, QUESTION...Alone in the Dark, from the paladin...this feature trigger when a summoned creature dies? cuz if it's so he can become unstopable once i deploy my spiderburst combo
Oh good question I didn't test that.
Dumb question, I only get the new archetypes (For the normal story) if I buy the dlc, right?
Yes I believe that is the case.
@@SlanderedGaming Thank you :)
What would you rank the reworked assassin?
Dunno haven't looked at it's mechanics and the new mythic options yet.
goddamnit i was excited when i saw Geomancer since you so rarely see them...and they botched it, like wtf do they think a geomancer is >: \
Yeah I like some of the other subclasses but Geomancer is unappealing. LOL
i just realized this isnt kingmaker lmao i won this game cant wait
LOL Yeah it's definitely a step up from Kingmaker.
I would have to disagree with the ghost rider rank, it’s actually one of the best subclasses in the game
How so?
@@SlanderedGaming it only takes one point of dex damage to paralyze almost any enemy in the game, and with polar night you can one shot paralyze all enemies on sight, and it has the tankiest animal companion in the game and you can even one level dip for the tether, it’s a really good subclass even on unfair
Why did you stop rating them half way though
What do you mean? I rated all of them and included my rating for all of them at the end as well.
I downloaded immediately. Thought about playing it, and then I saw Red Dead Redemption 2 was on sale…….*sigh* One day…..
So many games! LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Bruh, Weretouched Demon. Everyone gonna play it.
BANANAS
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> Switching pal's casting to wisdom is a better choice, but maybe you want your char to be a talker
Non-issue, one of the backgrounds just gives you an ability to derive persuasion score from wisdom too.
Yup that is true.
It's in the Oblate category for anyone wondering !
Prophet of Pestilence doesn't have its full "Mutations" shown. Most of the "Strong picks" come at level 10+, like one for level 14 is "Anyone that is afflicted with PoA, has to make a fortitude check every-time they use an action. If they fail the check, they lose the action and become nauseous for 1 turn", or the level 18 int bonus where enemies get inflicted with 20% confusion
Wow! That makes it even more awesome. Thanks I'll definitely be giving that class a look.
Really enjoyed this breakdown. Thanks for the timely update. REALLY looking forward to trying out Tortured Crusader. Peace, love and happiness to you and yours!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Really underwhelmed by all of these. No desire to play any of these. But then I have no desire to play 2/3'rds of all these overcomplicated subclasses anyway.
As a caster Druid fan, winter child looks to be a lot of fun. Definitely offers something unique from the rest of the druid roster. Tandem Executioner seems a bit less out-of-the-box than I was hoping for, but would make for an incredible legend mythic path character. Also Hag of Gyronna seems like the ultimate debuffer class, which I'm all for because the anti-magic inquisitor subclass isn't very good.
The debuffing qualities of HoG really appeals to me.
If you like caster druid, you will definitely like winter child. Possibly my favorite playthrough yet. I played as an azata with it, had a blast.
demonslayer 20 tandem executioner 20? you get level 40 pet with boon companion ? full bab and ranger spells (you lost hunter spells ) but now you've got ranger bonuses and studied target . as slandered gaming would say, "that's bananas!!!!"
What mythic path for a male Hag of Gyronna named Grendel who is looking for his mommy and finds her at level 12?
Demon.
Dang, the Shadowcaster looks like it would be awesome for a shadowlich if the shadows were more useful and Shadowform works with Master Shapeshifter. It's hard to imagine the archetype working well as is.
Yeah I was hoping it would be something that made shadow spells more powerful.
I'd really think this subclass to be something like a super-illusion focused one but nope, it just feels like a clunkier version of Ninio
You should've inspected "Geomaner" more properly. Read what the effects do on each given terrain. Most of them either just deal 1d6 damage (and scaling per Geomancer level) or healing; in addition to that the give different kind of debuffs or buffs.
Geomancer is a must-have with at least 1 level for all Caster-based classes, or you go just 20lvl Geo and become an AoE menace. It's basically free damage to whatever action you are doing already.
Yeah, I'm feeling this as well. I feel like every damage caster is going to want to dip into Geomancer.... but maybe it's a little bugged right now? I just started an Oracle/Angel blaster play through, and I killed myself and all my enemies by casting prayer from a scroll with geomancer on... it proc'd the geomancer 1d6 dmg + stun like 3 times, and I took 3d8 damage at level 2... 😅
Do NOT take precise bombs. Get negative energy bombs. Use them to damage enemies and heal your party at the same time.
And I think Dual Cursed is pretty good. Oracles burden means you can put att-4 and staggered on an enemy with one spell, and it's only second level if you took blackened, and powerless prophecy. That's pretty good. Especially since those are the best two curses anyway.
And you missed the shadowcaster description saying it does NOT take away spell casting
And have you seen some of the new Feats?!
Focused Strike: When using power attack with a 2 handed weapon, or one handed weapon in 2 hands, you do not take the attack penalty from power attack for the first hit, available at level 1. Vital Strike+ focused attack+ always a chance= Never miss.
I put up a pinned message about Shadowcaster. Hadn't seen the new feats will definitely check that out.
Yeah, I feel like duel-cursed was undervalued here, you get Ill Omen for free, one of the best 1st level spells, extra revelations, Fortune and Misfortune options. All of that for taking on another curse whose effects are rather negligible if you build correctly.
Blackened is a terrible curse to take and staggered is only on the first round of combat. I am not sure if you have tested it, but I doubt oracles burden with powerless prophecy staggers at all, and if it did, staggering for a single round is not a powerful effect. You have much better options with 2nd level spells.
@@notalefty999 It should, since that's how the crossbow with exactly the same effect works.
@@acrab6527 Its still a bad spell. No curse is actually all that debilitating. Stagger for 1 round is 1 round and otherwise, the curse effects necessarily arent that strong (otherwise the character would be unplayable).
I hoped we would finally get a Werecapybara form with Weretouched. Maybe next time.
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On Shadow magic: Shadow Evocation/Conjuration, while they do less damage than their "real" counterparts, have 2 distinct advantages:
1) If the caster is an illusionist (like Nenio) or a Shadowcaster, you get the obvious buffs from picking up (Greater and Mythic) Spell Focus, which also benefits her normal spells like Phantasmal Killer.
2) What they lack in raw damage, they more than make up for in flexibility. Each of those spells has loads of spells within them that they can pretend to be.
Yup that's true it's just not my cup of tea. If I am getting a bunch of spell focus for Illusion than I am using it on Weird and Phantasmal Killer.
One thing to note, demon resistances and immunities have also been nerfed a bit, immunity to poison no longer means that they're immune to disease effects.
Just a note about dual-cursed oracle, while I agree with you about Fortune, I think you're gravely underrating Misfortune. Not only does it have unlimited uses (compared to say the div wizard in 5e), it also presumably stacks with protective luck and it prevents an enemies' only way to hit your party when their AC is higher than the enemy's attack bonus by forcing a reroll. I'd be interested in learning if the 'can only be used once per day per enemy' clause triggers before or after protective luck resolves, as if it doesn't count the 20 that isnt chosen from the 2 die rolls, this effectively prevents you from being hit, like period.
Interesting that's a perspective I hadn't considered and I am not sure if it works that way.
Grumble grumble but Ghost Rider is so COOL grumble...
That aside: there is one area where Dual-Cursed Oracle might earn a higher ranking than you've considered here, and that's on Unfair difficulty. For most tank characters the *only* time you will ever take damage is when you get critically hit, and considering Unfair's huge boost to damage received, that matters a LOT. A character that has received Protective Ward from someone with hexes and the protection of a Dual Cursed Oracle will almost never, ever actually end up taking damage simply because even if the enemy somehow managed to roll 2 natural 20s, one gets reduced to a natural 1 critical miss. For every other difficulty, any character that's going for critical hits is going to love the blessing simply because a nat 1 is suddenly a nat 20 which is effectively Improved Critical without having to pay anything for it. That also means you never even have to consider Always A Chance as a mythic power (although it wasn't that desirable to begin with, and now there are some *tasty* armor mythics to consider).
Hmmm that is an interesting point to consider.
Thanks for the great review of all the classes Slandered! Obviously it goes without saying I am going Weretouched for my next play through as the next best thing to actually being a ratfolk like you said in the video. But its great to hear that you evaluated it so high though. Love your content as always! :D
Thanks glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully when Owlcat does another Pathfinder game rat touched is an option.
lets gooo!
Exciting times dude!
So we get an actually intresting and worth playing (both mechanically and thematically, as well as not-clashing with seelah) paladin, a natural weapon bloodrager and a werewolf? Damn, how do i choose? I guess i can finally make that aeon paladin i kept on wanting to do, but never wanted to. That's nice. Guess i have something to play untill rogue trader comes out.
Yeah that Paladin looks fantastic.
Tortured Crusader is a much better option than it first seems due to a multitude of reasons.
1) You'll have many more smites than your regular Paladin due to being able to convert lay on hands into smites.
2) Alone in the Dark, because it triggers off of summons' deaths as well. You can basically stack weak summons onto your enemies before the battle starts and get a crazy amount of AC and bonus attack/damage just from a single passive ability. You combine that with a certain ring and the fun begins.
3) Final Justice stacks well with Mark of Justice, I tested it and you basically melt bosses with this combo.
Tortured Crusader is very much a more offense oriented Paladin. The only do here is to wait and see if the second point gets patched or not, the text simply states allies. The flavour does seem to imply that should get the bonus from deaths of your fellow crusaders NPCs, and summons are held in the same regard by the game as your ally crusader NPCs.
Duel-Cursed Oracle is a straight upgrade, and i don't why you rated it so low. The main problem with most of the other archetypes of Oracle is that you lose Revelations, a key unique component of the class. This Archetype not only doesn't take away revelations but adds additional ones, there is also Misfortune (An extremely good revelation that can save your allies, the limitation of once a day doesn't matter because you're constantly fighting new enemies.) and Ill Omen for when you really want to CC an enemy.
Edit: It seems that I was correct, as of patch 2.2.2 "Alone in the Dark ability was getting incorrect bonuses from the death of summoned units - fixed", still the other features of the class make it worth considering, the capstone bonus is certainly unique.
I probably did underrate Dual-Cursed and it's because I don't like Oracle in general. I know some people love it but it's not my thing. Didn't know about point #2 that's pretty huge. Also based on the description I didn't think Final Justice stacks with MoJ. Strongly considering a Tortured Crusader for my next run.
Personally, I would say tortured crusader is fairly bad. You probably dont want to run two paladins, and unless you do, the stacking is moot. Would you rather have a substantially lower bonus to AB, AC and lose the ability to apply these benefits to all your party, in exchange for an additional +20 damage on one target, assuming you actually hit (which you are less likely to do)? I just think the trade is a complete non starter.
If alone in the dark stacks off summons, this I expect is a bug and will hopefully be fixed. It surely cannot be intended to spam low level summons to stack the buff.
Losing the ability to cleanse crowd control on party members sucks, losing the bonus to saves sucks, having to pick weapon bond over horse sucks.
Bonus feats are nice and the capstone is nice (but very lategame). However, I am still definitely going to want to take Seelah (who also gets the unique and very powerful shielding companion ability), so I am never taking this.
I would agree, Dual cursed oracle is a moderate upgrade and its already one of the best classes in the game.
I am super hyped for the reanimator, and started a new game just to give that lich a go
Yup I will probably do the same thing.
Ghost Rider c tier… Sure-like you said;)! But it’s one smaaall thing-Ghost Rider with Kiss of Vampire on hands is just immortal! All damage from pet rider take to himself, but taking temporary hp in Thousands is no problem at all:) 3x damage on charge with Kiss of Vampire and 400-600 temporary hp without crit… infinite… and damage goes only on rider with all that hp… c tier;)
Sooo happy Weretouched turned out great. Thats the archetype more than any other that I really needed to be good.
Having a compelling werewolf option is really nice.
Shadowcaster by itself might not be high ranking. But for someone who loves Arcane Trickster builds, it's perfect for my Legend run. Just a 5 lv dip for easy blindsight. Rest are Dark Lurker, Arcane Trickster, and Eldritch knight. Been dreaming years of putting them all together with a Shadow plane theme
Shadowcaster is a bad design. Agreed. Any Wizard can just select the Shadow spells or buy them... so a good design would be to make that character better at using them or make their Shadow summons much more powerful. I fail to see the advantage of using it over a normal Wizard or other Wizard archetype who simply selects Shadow spells.
Exactly if it made the Shadow spells better I would be much more compelled.
The profane intelligence bonus might serve the same purpose, no?
Woohoo finally got this DLC now its time to go legend path so i can have 20 levels of Beast tamer and 20 levels of reanimator lol that should make my character like a champion summoner lol
Going to have to bump up Prophet of Pestillence. The stat damage mutations are just the level 1 options. For example, Take the Wisdom damage one. After that you can take a mutation that also applies confusion to anyone afflicted by the disease. Or the Con damage one, can be followed by one that exhausts the enemy and makes them pass a fort save to not become nauseated every round. Or level drain, or spreading the disease to every enemy within 10 feet of the guy who failed a save!
Same with Tandem Executioner. Those first 4 are just the ones you can get at level 1. My favorite is Push and Bite, that lets you bullrush any enemy your pet threatens when you shoot them. Your pet also gets a 100% accuracy attack of opportunity against that enemy.
Wow. That actually sounds incredible.
Ghost Rider? Im Nicolas Cage now 😎
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God damn these rankings were awful, everything sucks besides Dual cursed, geo is only a 1 level dip
I didn't give Shadowcaster an S+. LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Oh sorry my screen was dirty i just rewatched it again tought it was a S haha.
Great tips, and are there any suggestions for building Tortured Crusader and Dark Lurker yet, I would love to redownload and try them out 🤩
I haven't looked into build making yet so not sure.
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Wouldn't Repulsion be decent with selective metamagic, which cc mages would grab anyways?
Honestly I almost never grab Selective magic for crowd control mages so that's why I don't really consider it.
You had me at Ghost Rider.
Boys and girls I need your help I can’t find the elf note in iz I read some guides I look all the map x3 with each time it change I don’t think it spawned for me
I love your videos on archetypes just for your vocalization alone "Bananas! Stoppp"
Ghost rider mixed with magus, maybe on a legendary path, to make the best pale rider build.
Woh, you are on fire ! Just tell me you also walk at least 15 minutes day right (sincerely).
Walking, biking, and trying to eat better. Thanks for asking.
was looking to see what is the perfect pairing for lich? I am heavily considering reanimator but i am not sure, since they do after all lose access to level 10 spells, cuoromancer might be better? what do you think?
Of the two I would definitely say Cruoromancer is the better option. You might also want to go the Sorceror route since in the end Charisma will determine your Constitution and is more useful to you than Intelligence.
I am personally looking forward to the reanimator class. I like the idea of a lawful evil mad scientist type who has the potential to become a lich. My present playthrough is as a chaotic good Dirge Bard Azata, so this will be a complete thematic opposite.
Yup Reanimator looks awesome.
Mutating strain (lvl 12) does not give any immunities =(
This is extremally well done. What a breakdown!! You made me get the Season Pass with how well your presentation was done for the 15 subclasses. Hope you have a great day.
Thank you! Hope you enjoy it!
I feel like the ice archetype discussion ignores that Lord of Nothing is an ice-themed DLC and an ice-themed pseudo-mythic
To me that counts against it because there's probably a ton of enemies who are highly resistant to ice damage and you don't get mythic abilities to bypass that.
@@SlanderedGaming You do! That is very much a thing that you get!
All of these looks so cool
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I hope the issue with gog will be fixed SOON !!!
The Hag-riven and Hag of Gyrona hypes me the most
because Hags
Yeah I really like Hag of Gyrona.
@@SlanderedGaming speaking of hags (and witches)
the child of winter (druid) is elligeable for the winter witch prestige class :3
Unfortunately the new sorcerer subclass is terrible. Fully agree with your opinion.
Yeah that one will probably need an update.
I'm disappointed with Geomancer for the opposite reason. I wanted something where I had to change up my playstyle and play different roles on different terrains. But outside of forests and mountains, the subclass seems to basically be "when you cast spells, bad things get hurt". All those other terrains do some form of [spell level]D6 damage to everything in 30 feet (saves look to be for the secondary debuffs, not the damage) at no action cost and very little health. For the spell and feat variety you sacrifice, it's painfully one-note. If I want to turn my HP bar into elemental pewpew, Kineticist is already really good at that.
Yup that's another reason it is underwhelming.
I feel like the class would greatly benefit from an additional feature later on in the class progression where you could "change" the terrain type a few times per day, would really suit the flavour and make this class more worthwhile to use.
Thanks for your review.
However, having a Tortured Crusader in the party allows you to use him to discover everything and everything (thanks to wisdom). Actually, that's what I did. The most interesting thing, of course, begins at level 11, when he receives the "Final Justice" and Seelah the "Mark of Justice". Any dangerous opponent is simply disintegrated in a matter of rounds.
I really like Tortured Crusader, though I wish there were more roleplaying dialogue options (unfortunately, there are SO many archetypes they probably couldn't possibly go into more unique options for each).
@@kingleech16 Yes, it would be great if each individual subclass had its own unique interactions. I believe Owlcat did not have enough time and resources for this, and probably also expediency. For some reason, I think that the majority of players still play either the base class or even OP builds and do not pay attention to all the variety.
Didn't the Shadowcaster capstone say after Transformation that you retain spellcasting ability?
Yes there's a pinned comment where I corrected that.
I always look forward to your ranking videos, Just listing to you breaking down mechanics, and gameplay aspects in RPG games is very pleasant
Thank you! Glad you enjoy them.
Great resource. One thing I think that would be useful is to pin your rating until after your done talking about the subclass.
Ahhh good tip. I'll remember that for next time thanks!
So, what is the actual point of the Flesheater? I don't get it, in lore or in game, it makes 0 sense to me. What sort of role does it play?
It's for people who from a roleplaying standpoint like playing a character who literally devours their enemies. Personally it's not my cup of tea. LOL
Haha you make great commentaries. I will check your other vids for funny commentaries
Thank you!
3 Months in, Tandem Executioner for the win. The bonuses it gives stack with every attack(May be a glitch or so I've been told), so using something with MANY attacks, like say, a Smilidon, gives a huge boost to damage output. Mix in a duel wielding type with a third natural attack like a bite, and you do lots more damage, and hit more often with everything. Mix with Trickster's always roll 20s ability, and you basically set the mounted character to puree every time they hit something thanks to AoO's procing constantly based off crits. Also, still affects Aivu, who is the best.
Wow that sounds sick. I wonder if they will patch it.
@@SlanderedGaming Probably. I've been told it's only supposed to affect main attacks, Rules as Written, and of course, they've said already it's not supposed to affect Aivu, Devourer of Cookies...I want it to since she deserves it after all the nerfing...which still left her stronger than several party members, to be fair, but she deserves a treat.
Winter witch you dont lose animal companion, you get the strongest animal companion yet.
The ice companion have insane stats.
I agree but it's also constantly huge which I find very annoying.
@SlanderedGaming Funny enough legendary proportions make it smaller. Also, all cold damage by your summon works with your mythic cold ability.
Nice Video ty for the breakdowns going to try Weretouched/Assassin with the new changes
My pleasure!
Well timed. I was just looking at in steam deciding whether to get it or not.
Awesome hope you enjoy the breakdown.
1) Ghost rider is a cool 1 lvl dip for pal or sylvan sorc. Just for cool mount and paralyse effect
2) switching to wisdom as pal is super bad. Becouse you have a spell that add you char modifier to ALL saving throws. Alone in the dark is op. Becouse it works with summoned creatures
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Hey assassin got an update. want to check that out to see how good it is?
Yup I am going to check it out after reviewing the patch notes.
Are the new subclasses only playable in the DLC or does downloading the dlc allow then to be played in the main game?
You can play them in the main game.
@@SlanderedGaming Thank you :)
18:30 Uhm....I know they're called curses, but with the best ones, they're pretty much just benefits, so the extra curse is a boon, not a negative.
Whatever the mechanics, from a fluff perspective Flesheater feels like it was designed for Wenduag or a Demon run, being a cannibal to absorb her victims power is her whole stick
I kind of already knew which ones would appeal to me most; the Reanimator, Tandem Executioner and the Weretouched. Although the Reanimator Lich is definitely not the most powerful Lich combo, RPG wise it seems most suitable. Imagine a devotee of Urgathoa who specialises in disection and using alchemy to forge the Undead. I think it would work pretty well. I am less worried about the damage reduction simply because the real strength of negative energy bombs is their unsavable energy drain! I might be wrong about this but is the create greater undead spell new? I don't recall it being in the game. Thanks for covering this.
You might be right. It's be so long that it's hard to recognize whether or not spells are new. I was hoping a list of new spells would be in the patch notes but that doesn't appear to be the case. LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Confirmed it is a new spell. Create Greater Undead. Quite potent; Devourers which energy drain each attack or shadows that drain strrength.
@@spellandshield nice!!
Durk lurker is a ton of fun. Pretty much blow a target up in one round every time
Dude it looks like a TON of fun. I might have to give it a whirl.
I think this is the build for the portrait of the gnome with a pickaxe.
Something you didn't mention for Hag of Gyronna is that the night hags spells have unlimited uses
Honestly? I feel like every single new archetype it at least from a flavor/rp angle. And hey, even if you don't care for Geomancer, it at least tries to have the best effects when standing in the most common areas in the game. I could really see it being really fun to at least mess around with as a 1 level dip, because the geomancy ability doesn't scale off of sorc level at all.
I guess I think it's a little funny we got two hag-adjacent archetypes, including a fully modeled hag companion, but as far as I am aware Hagborn was not updated with the capstone to actually turn you into that same model, despite that being the whole concept of the class.
I think Owlcat did a fantastic job with the new options.
I wonder if there is a correspondent Mythic Ability that gives you your capstone ability like the mythic feat Bloodline Ascendant for sorcerers.
I've already made a Weretouched Shifter and have begun another playthrough. It's still two weeks before Rogue Trader gets a full release.
Almost there!
I'd wait for the last DLC to drop to buy the Season Pass for the better discount.
Ghost Rider is a very favorable choice to RP as Ghost-Rider(surprise-surprise!) and Hag-Riven is the go-to choice for Wolverine from the table top players.
Shadowcaster really said you are a gish now at capstone with the perma-Transformation.
Oh nice I didn't even think about Hag-Riven for Wolvie. Yup that makes a ton of sense.
What's the point in the Separatist when there's the impossible domain mythic ability? And the trickster tricks?
I ended up with 5 domains in my current playthrough.
Basically it allows you to do the same thing without burning a mythic ability or being forced into Trickster. Doesn't provide something different but gives you a potentially easier way to go about it.
When Penta was released as a musical reference and an instrument in hands, I was expecting a new Bard subclass, but I'm happy with the DLC and the subclasses presented
Yup I think Owlcat did a nice job.
No Warlock class Is crazy
Any links for Tandem executioners full list of techniques? You can pick 6 times while leveling and only 4 techniques on the list shown. Also traits for Flesheater?
Nope none of that was provided in the patch notes.
A New Favourite Toy would be great with Lann.
Pairing Tortured Crusader with the mounted Monk archetype in the Legend Mythic Path could be a nice build.
Don't forget about Reduce Person for Dark Lurkers.
The fear bonus likely affects the Hag more than the Witch.
I would give the Shadowcaster a B+ given that Shadowform allows you to cast high-level spells safely within melee range.
Oh yeah reduce person for dark lurkers makes sense I didn't even think about that.
Tortured crusader's Final justice could be amazing against bosses with build relying on misses(mythic ability alowing deal str mod damage on missis) if increasing damage on every attack not imply hit
Yup that could be an interesting build.
I could and do listen to u explain pathfinder for hours, thanks for covering the new expac :-)
Glad you enjoy it!
The main thing about hag riven that appeals to me is that it basically allows you to play with those awesome claws from Shifter without all the pesky wildshaping.
Yeah apparently it's a class many people use to play Wolverine in tabletop.
Oh this game again, another expansion...still getting nightmares from the crusader minigame...
Just watch a couple of my guides and you'll be fine. 😂😂