Der Untergang (Downfall) Extended Scene - Göring's Betrayal

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  • Опубликовано: 30 янв 2025

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  • @KORHISTORYARCHIVE
    @KORHISTORYARCHIVE  3 года назад +44

    (Subtitles are available in English and Korean.)
    (영어와 한국어 자막 사용 가능합니다.)
    This was actually a plot of Bormann to get rid of Göring. As head of the Nazi Party Chancellery, Bormann had a strong desire for power, just like Göring. In a part of the plan to get rid of Göring, Bormann sends a telegram to Göring that Hitler is in a bad condition, so Göring should take command. Göring thought this was an approved order from Hitler, and he sends a telegram asking Hitler for permission to hand over full power. Hitler didn't know any of this, and he thought Göring betrayed him. He was so mad that he immediately relieved Göring of his command.
    이것은 사실 괴링을 제거하려는 보어만의 계획이었습니다. 나치 당수부장으로서, 보어만은 괴링처럼 권력욕이 매우 강했습니다. 괴링을 제거하기 위해, 보어만은 괴링에게 히틀러의 건강이 나쁘니, 괴링이 지휘를 해야 한다는 전문을 보냈습니다. 괴링은 이것이 히틀러로부터 허가를 받은 명령이라고 생각하고는, 히틀러에게 전권 위임 허가를 요청하는 전문을 보냅니다. 히틀러는 아무것도 몰랐고, 괴링이 자신을 배신했다고 생각했습니다. 그는 너무 화가 나서 즉시 괴링의 지휘권을 박탈하였습니다.

    • @zahgurim7838
      @zahgurim7838 2 года назад +1

      Only some minor things regarding the subtitles:
      in the extended cut Rochus Misch calls Traudl "Misses" instead of "Miss" (she was married) and when Bormann reads the telegram Göring writes" based on your decision to stay in the fortress of Berlin".
      And the communication unit has "defected" not "withdrawn". Indeed they have fled, not just retreated.

    • @KORHISTORYARCHIVE
      @KORHISTORYARCHIVE  2 года назад +2

      Thank you for your correction!

  • @whoknowswhocares885
    @whoknowswhocares885 Год назад +215

    They forgot to include the part Bormann altered the letter to make it sound even more drastic so Hitler could eliminate Goring.

    • @sadiqkhawaja7019
      @sadiqkhawaja7019 11 месяцев назад +3

      But then why did Bormann support Goring saying that he has valid concerns

    • @bumskanickl
      @bumskanickl 10 месяцев назад +21

      @@sadiqkhawaja7019That was Hewel, not Bormann

  • @grandmastalin7796
    @grandmastalin7796 2 года назад +104

    LMAO 1:20 is so relatable
    Sometimes I ask a question and the other guy just doesn't answer and I always feel mad and bad afterwards for long time

    • @KORHISTORYARCHIVE
      @KORHISTORYARCHIVE  2 года назад +20

      Well in this scene, Misch is telling Junge that it is a bad thing only with his eys...

    • @Emily-5124
      @Emily-5124 11 месяцев назад +2

      cry about it

  • @seohyo-ryung8493
    @seohyo-ryung8493 Год назад +52

    We see Speer later in this scene, but he left the bunker on the 22nd while Goring sent the telegram on the 23rd, another inaccuracy from one of the most accurate Nazi films.

    • @coltonbarnes7861
      @coltonbarnes7861 19 дней назад

      This film is one of the most accurate movies I've ever seen, the fact that most would consider that one of the major inaccuracies is amazing rip Bruno Ganz

  • @naturalharmoniagropius4486
    @naturalharmoniagropius4486 Год назад +97

    Goring fled for food

    • @Ak47necros
      @Ak47necros 8 месяцев назад +1

      LMAO

    • @rambo280863
      @rambo280863 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ak47necrosXD

    • @minhthunguyendang9900
      @minhthunguyendang9900 8 месяцев назад

      His uncontrollable bulimia.
      If overstuffed Hermann was in the bunker when ‘dolf died, we would never have to wonder where his corpse ended up.

    • @ganginfr4923
      @ganginfr4923 7 месяцев назад

      honestly believable

    • @minhthunguyendang9900
      @minhthunguyendang9900 7 месяцев назад

      before he became food 🍱

  • @RatedJBR
    @RatedJBR 2 года назад +48

    Misch had a line in this extended version

    • @KORHISTORYARCHIVE
      @KORHISTORYARCHIVE  2 года назад +19

      In theatrical edition, Misch has only one line; "Marshal Zhukov?" In extended edition, he has more :)

  • @naturalharmoniagropius4486
    @naturalharmoniagropius4486 7 месяцев назад +16

    "Wankstain!"

  • @andrec78
    @andrec78 Месяц назад +1

    What intrigues me most about this film is how there is not a single scene where women's fear of the prospect of rape is clearly portrayed, nor are there any references to the mass rapes committed by the Soviets.

    • @coltonbarnes7861
      @coltonbarnes7861 19 дней назад +1

      Well it ends when the Soviets take Berlin, and most of the film focuses on the final days of the third Reich, there's also only so much you can portray in 2 hours, I think it done an excellent job

  • @k-5203
    @k-5203 3 года назад +18

    1:15 영화 원판에서는 대사가 딱 "마샬 주코프?"라고 한 마디 밖에 없었는데 사실 삭제 장면에서 말하는 장면이 하나 더 있었네요 미슈는.

    • @KORHISTORYARCHIVE
      @KORHISTORYARCHIVE  3 года назад +3

      요하네스 헨셸도 그렇고 극장판에서 비중이 없던 인물들이 삭제장면에서는 비중이 좀 있네요 ㅋㅋㅋ

  • @this_name_is_not_available6923
    @this_name_is_not_available6923 11 месяцев назад +7

    how does the typewriter type itself? Is that how telegrams work?

    • @SmokeyBCN
      @SmokeyBCN 11 месяцев назад +16

      it's a teleprinter, first used around the mid 19th century

    • @copperlemon1
      @copperlemon1 8 месяцев назад +8

      A telegram is just a transcription of a telegraph message. The message can be manually received and decoded by operators, or it can be reproduced by a teletype machine like that.

  • @masterofallthelakesintown2472
    @masterofallthelakesintown2472 7 месяцев назад +44

    Lächerlich das die bis zum Ende ihre macht Intrigen durchgezogen haben, obwohl deren Ende offensichtlich war.

    • @CommanderTavos99
      @CommanderTavos99 3 месяца назад +1

      Stfu hinterher kann man das immer sagen, zu der Zeit hättest Du denen an den Eiern gehangen

    • @albrechtstein8547
      @albrechtstein8547 Месяц назад

      So handeln nun mal feige Mörder.

  • @davidparker527
    @davidparker527 2 месяца назад

    Bormann was a master of deception.

  • @arielg7000
    @arielg7000 Год назад +4

    Hitler really does not understand that this is the end and Barak was the end of his rule, since there is no way to pass instructions or orders to the soldiers this game is over

  • @purple8798
    @purple8798 2 года назад +13

    Where is the scene where he rants

  • @piedude333ify
    @piedude333ify Год назад +9

    disliked because you didnt include the rant part.

  • @니아_카르_Nia_KaRe
    @니아_카르_Nia_KaRe Год назад +1

    이 장면은 넣는게 더 자연스러웠을것 같은데, 노래하는 브르크도르프 장면이랑 다르게 이건 왜 삭제했는지 이해가 안가네요...

  • @정모구-j2r
    @정모구-j2r 2 года назад +8

    "미셸 주코프요?" 딱 한마디만 하던 사람이 대사가 더 있었는데 왜 삭제된걸까요? 삭제 안된게 더 자연스러운 장면 많던데.

    • @KORHISTORYARCHIVE
      @KORHISTORYARCHIVE  2 года назад

      로후스 미슈가 주연도 아니고, 별 중요한 대사가 아니라서 그랬을수도요 ㅎㅎ

  • @piotrkap5536
    @piotrkap5536 7 месяцев назад

    Wspaniały film a w Niemczech na żadnym programie nie ma ...!!! Opuścili wodza ale wòdz i nigdy nie opuści .Wolne Niemcy wolny Świat.🌍

    • @FERCHOVO88
      @FERCHOVO88 2 месяца назад

      Sin Úrsula la lucha sigue

  • @piotrkap5536
    @piotrkap5536 2 месяца назад

    Walczył o wolne i wielkie Niemcy .!!! Nigdy więcej Niemcy nie będą mieli takiego człowieka co tak kochał Niemcy. !!!

  • @jcolbyt82
    @jcolbyt82 10 месяцев назад +1

    And morphine

  • @piotrkap5536
    @piotrkap5536 2 месяца назад

    Adi nie był głupi.Chciał uratować wielkie Niemcy przed Komunizmem i Zapaścią .A jedyną drogą była wojna . Dzięki temu Niemcy nie są Rumunią czy Bangladeszem...!!! . 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪

  • @thesterrave
    @thesterrave Год назад +1

    guys please know that we have all did evil (sin) and we are punished to death and since we do evil and reject God we will go to hell but God lovingly provides a way out through Christ on the cross where we can be cleansed from our sins and saved if we believe and confess that Christ is Lord. We must believe and we shall be saved. Turn from your sins please (also if u want read John 3:16 please)

    • @thesterrave
      @thesterrave Год назад

      @paddyleblanc why is it Gods fault for humanities actions? If he was to remove one evil another would arrive anyway
      And God promises us a way out through Christ into a new world with no suffering, harm, evil, etc

  • @michaelkabus9001
    @michaelkabus9001 2 месяца назад

    Nicht

  • @thesterrave
    @thesterrave Год назад +1

    guys please know that we have all did evil (sin) and we are punished to death and since we do evil and reject God we will go to hell but God lovingly provides a way out through Christ on the cross where we can be cleansed from our sins and saved if we believe and confess that Christ is Lord. We must believe and we shall be saved. Turn from your sins please (also if u want read John 3:16 please)

    • @PumaTwoU
      @PumaTwoU Год назад +2

      Your religious beliefs are none of our business, and proselytizing is a presumptive and arrogant behavior.

  • @thesterrave
    @thesterrave Год назад +2

    guys please know that we have all did evil (sin) and we are punished to death and since we do evil and reject God we will go to hell but God lovingly provides a way out through Christ on the cross where we can be cleansed from our sins and saved if we believe and confess that Christ is Lord. We must believe and we shall be saved. Turn from your sins please (also if u want read John 3:16 please)

    • @PumaTwoU
      @PumaTwoU Год назад +2

      Your religious beliefs are none of our business, and proselytizing is a presumptive and arrogant behavior.

  • @thesterrave
    @thesterrave Год назад +1

    guys please know that we have all did evil (sin) and we are punished to death and since we do evil and reject God we will go to hell but God lovingly provides a way out through Christ on the cross where we can be cleansed from our sins and saved if we believe and confess that Christ is Lord. We must believe and we shall be saved. Turn from your sins please (also if u want read John 3:16 please)

  • @thesterrave
    @thesterrave Год назад +2

    guys please know that we have all did evil (sin) and we are punished to death and since we do evil and reject God we will go to hell but God lovingly provides a way out through Christ on the cross where we can be cleansed from our sins and saved if we believe and confess that Christ is Lord. We must believe and we shall be saved. Turn from your sins please (also if u want read John 3:16 please)

    • @PumaTwoU
      @PumaTwoU Год назад +4

      Your religious beliefs are none of our business, and proselytizing is a presumptive and arrogant behavior.