Thanks a lot!! I was just searching for the name of the Solent Stay on google and got to a nice class about the mast we are just assembling!! I always love you explanation!!
If you have any questions or need help with something rigging related, let me know! The best way to get in contact with my is by email: riggingdr@gmail.com
As an aerospace engineer trained in wings, This is a first class explanation of the wind forces on the sailboat. A sailboat is very similar to the several wing options on airplanes. The use of different wing configurations is very much like this discussion of how to use different sail plans. Cutter vs. Solent vs. hybrid. The how to use the different sail plans is the key to understanding why you would pick one over another.
I've been searching around the web for a beginner's explanation of sailing dynamics and rigging to satisfy my onset fascination of sailing, and all I've encountered are confusing biased justification of why a certain system is better because it is what they use in the Vendee Globe or American Cup.This is, by far, the best no BS, no hype explanation I've encountered on the net that actually makes sense on a cruising point of view.. Thank you so much.
As the owner of a cutter, I totally agree that 'gentling' your boat in heavy weather is the way to go. Less heal, less strain on the rigging and less strain on the crew. It's also makes the voyage enjoyable rather than a constant challenge.
Nice job Herbie, the Solent rig also gives you the option of a simple ready to go tradewind downwind set up with both sails poles out , you have a great rig ,potentially reefable by rolling the head sails. There might be enough sail area to lower the chafe prone mainsail and still make decent time on a passage safely . Cheers Warren
I love this video. It was the first time I listened to Herbie on Sailing Vessel Wisdom at the Rigging Doctor RUclips channel. I remember thinking quietly , " This kid is going to make a great sailor".
Thanks for a really good discussion about different kinds of rigging and some of the forces on the rigging. Totally agree if things get too windy just reef. It's the sensible thing to do, and it's easier on the boat.
Thank you very much for the great explanation. I agree with you what concerns the healing of the boat and I also prefer reefing earlier than later, it's easier and less stress for the rigging and the rudder. I really enjoy your videos, very interesting and informative content. Greetings from Germany and Fair Winds.
I am just learning about sailing. I have been baffled by all the terms used for sail configurations. Your explanation just answered about a hundred questions I had rolling around in my head. Thank you very much for your presentation!
Great explanation of reefing. Many think you reef to avoid heeling too much. True, but it’s really important for rig longevity, to not over stress the mast, and for safety.
Thank you sooo much for your excellent explanations and rigging lessons. I find you are the best instructor out there. You are so clear and concise the way you demonstrate everything that it's easy to understand. I am in the process of making a change from sloops to buying a cutter. Now that you have given me the basic understanding of a cutter I am excited to get out there and try this. Thanks again
I have owned sloops, a 44’ cutter and a 46’ ketch. Hey! They all work. And I liked them all. For a larger boat, really liked the ketch, especially short handed. Vessels under 40, yeah, a sloop is fine.
Great video. This stimulated a lot of ideas. Mast further aft, rotating wing mast, very high aspect main, most drive coming from foresails. I expect it's all been done
Thankyou for many great videos. I had long agoo a small sloop (Staley 19) that I converted to a slutter, not by adding a inner fore stay but by adding a bowspreat and a outer fore stay. It was mostly to better light wind performance, and it worked realy well in light wind going against choppy sea, gave both better balance and better run against the waves. But why surprised me most was how good she balanced in medium winds going upwind when I added so much lateral force forward of the existing sailplane. Now I start to wonder how she realy was balanced before.
I'm messing around with similar ideas (albeit on a dinghy, not a keelboat), and I'm also surprised how little difference to the helm balance extra foresails can make..
that's great information Herb. I am considering adding a second forestay to create a simple downwind rig so now I know I'll have a Solent. That's kinda interesting too because the first time I sailed this boat was in The Solent (for your non uk subscribers - that's the bit of water between the Isle of Wight and mainland UK :-) )
Thank you so much for these excellent explanations. I am just adding a mobile inner fore-stay to my Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 49 and I'll double check some things now. Just to make sure the new headsail is not pulling too much to the front, without back-stay support. Thanks again!
Super excellent description and info!!! I was really hoping there was a video like this and you have done it for me!!! Cheers Mate, and happy sailing!!!
@@RiggingDoctor I just saw one of your videos last week and have been trying to get up to your 'time'. Wished I'd have seen the one's on Teceria when you were there. I was stationed there from, well along time ago. Some of the sites look the same. Others I think they have made it easier for people to find. Like the walk through the forest videoo. Back in my day, you had to know a local to get back in there where you guys were. It was so nice to see. Especially Pria De Victoria! Love that little town. Thanks Again.
Terceira really was one of our favorite places that we have visited on this trip. When we fly back to the states for Christmas, we are trying to organize the flights to have some time there so we can get a good visit in :)
@@RiggingDoctor There is a husband and wife that have their own business there on Teceria, they have really great deals from out of Boston w/hotel stay all included.
Very true. When we are racking a lot, we only fly the staysail to make our lives easier. Out in the ocean when you are on the same tack for a week, flying the jib is not a chore since you will never be tacking it through the slot.
Very interesting, and informative. I agree with most of your healing philosophy, less strain on the rigging, sure. I have a Jason 35, cutter rigged. Thanks.
On our little trailer-sailor, we have been trying headsails set flying. Not very close winded but not bad. We have a genoa up front hanked onto the stay, with a downhaul, and we are thinking of launching a small jib set flying behind the stay for strong winds. This sail position is also suitable for a light weather spinnaker of some description which we have been trying out.
Very informative. I bought a 39' cutter rigged Cavalier several years ago and decided to take off the inner stay and running back stays for the time being, as I'm currently only doing local coastal cruising ( plus I'm also relatively new to sailing - so wanted to simplify my rigging). As I get ready to do some offshore sailing, I've debated whether or not to reinstall the cutter rig. After seeing this video, I'm most certainly going to set it back up as a cutter. Thank you for the clear and precise explanation.
We have ours cutter rigged. The most easy, best balance, lazyest setup we have is second reef on the main and the staysail up. The second reef on the main allows both running backstays to be tightened at the same time and the boom and the sail has clearance to pass both. Just awesome setup! The only problem is that we allmost never see enough wind for that setup! ;-)
I find this series of discussions about rigging setups excellent. I would love to see this entire series redone with something behind the sailboat masts and rigging so that they are more visible. The color scheme of the background and the cord and dowels used for masts are similar enough that you can only clearly see them where the blue pillows are.
And this highlights a comparative advantage for my trimaran. The beam is wide enough for the swept sidestays to reduce the accute angle. That in turn leaves the wing mast free to rake fore and aft. When the jib is roller reefed, rake the mast back to move the CoE aft. Then again, if my boat is heeling 15%, I have bigger problems. Reef early and reef often!
This is a really helpful video. Thanks so much! Makes me think twice about heading offshore with a roller furler, especially an older furler. I think I’d rather set the capehorn and go forward to hank on the storm jib, even solo. You had me at downhaul and drifter :-) :-) :-)
That was a lot to take in. Explained a lot. Amazing video. My Santana was my first sailboat and it took me forever to understand the running back stays. Now that I have been at it longer I’m looking forward to not having them on my beneteau. I also enjoy a deep heel to shake up the kids and guests but after thinking about that pressure I may slow it down, lol.
With the twin spreader swept back rig of a lot of boats one can virtually set up a cutter rig to the top spreader with enough arft pressure from the swept back rig to do away with a runner , though i do have runners set up for heavier weather tied off to the rigging on a bungie, Cats with there wide base & swept back rig do away with runners completely .Nice post , like the bird
Just to add another variation. Our Solent rig has the two headsail furlers, parallel, about two feet apart. In light winds we can tack the genoa between the two stays. We have runners as the attachment of the inner furler is about 7ft down from the top of the mast. Going to windward in heavy weather the runners give is an advantage with mast stiffness and reduced mast pumping. It's an option we like.we set it up like this out of preference. It works well
Good video. My favorite is to have a staysail boom so that instead of tacking the staysail sheets you simply tack the backstays. Short tacking in light wind, drop the jib and you can ignore the backstays, just leave them slack. Also, rig your backstays to the center line of the boat to eliminate off center forces at the mast.
Also I hope maybe in the sail section that you get to describing not just the forces on how wind goes around a sail but why we want the wind to be offset and therefore our sail is also offset thereby having the force push the boat in the direction you want the boat to go. Well and then there is angle of attack to prevent a stall or to induce a stall.
Great Video. Thanks! I have a 1960 Skorgenes (Norway) 41' Mahogany Sloop. It has 1 back stay, 2 running back stays (steel cable with block and tackle to the cockpit), check stays, cutter rig set up with sail track on the mast and fore deck and 2 forestays coming off a "Y" at the bow, both going to the mast head, one port & one starboard. I have NO furlers. I can run a solent rig (I know technically the Solent is aft of the forestay, not next to it). with either the Genoa or the Jib flying with no tacking problem as the No. 1 sail doesn't have to squeeze between the space that would be there if it were a normal Solent rig. Oh and I don't have a boom Vang, I have preventers, one port and one starboard. The Naval Architect that designed this boat for an Oslo businessman built it for North Sea and Baltic Sea navigation. She is now being refurbished while sailing the San Francisco Bay Area. Fair winds and following seas.........
As it turns out all I had to do is watch this video instead of bugging you. Should have known the Rigging Docter would have a video on exactly what I was asking about. Figures Thanks a bunch my friend, love ya.
Hope you don't end up confusing a lot of your viewers with so much details. Wannabee sailors might just drop the towel thinking this is too much. Let me add more to the confusion, if I may: 1- Modern rigs use swept back spreaders to do away with check stays while still providing better support for the mast. They also keep the mast up when both running backstays are loose. Sure these spreaders don't allow to swing the boom all the way out, but that's no problem because modern boat make better VMG when gybing than when running straight downwind. So no need to swing the boom all the way out anymore. 2- Wind force on sails is function of the square of the wind speed. so if you double wind speed, then you dradruple the force on the sail. That's why reefing on time is good so that you don't end up putting excessive and unnecessary stress on your rig. 3- Hulls are not designed to move through the water efficiently when heeled over more than 30 deg. This is why when you reef, most the time you notice that the boat goes just as fast as it did before reefing , but with less heel. What more do you ask for? 4- The advantage of the staysail with 2 or 3 reef in the main is that it keeps the sail plan nicely balanced and centered with respect to the center of resistance of the keel, meaning no excessive lee or weather helm, and that is important when it's blowing 30 or 40 knots. 5- Inner forestays are no longer permanently fixed on modern fast cruising cutters. They can be releasable, or even integrated as part of a continuous furling staysail, meaning you only rig up the whole set when you need it, just like with a gennaker or code 0. This is now possible because the stay is textile and no longer stainless steel cable.
@@donquixote1502 What an excellent idea! Will you promise to subscribe if I open my own forum? I'll call it " Everything you always wanted to know about boats but were afraid to ask"
I was originally looking for a ketch but couldn’t find one that fit my requirements! By luck I stumbled on my boat and it checked all the boxes except the mizzen
It's the same for flying airplanes. Sure when it's just you and maybe one other person you can do 45 60° Banks but if you've got passengers you definitely want to do shallow Banks and make sure you're doing your coordinated turns
What would be best additional stay for C&C40. Large headsail driven rig with smaller high aspect mainsail? Typical sloop with little provision for reducing foresail area. Also if Solent stay added and existing backstay supports it, can you butterfly both the sails downwind? At what point must you increase the support factor of that backstay. C&C40 uses Navtec hydraulic adjustable backstay. Thanks!
Hi Rigging Doctor😊…. I sail my Beneteau Oceanis 48 set up as a SLUTTER…. according to you! The inner stay is also roller reefing system. Same as the forestay. My question is: How should I find the correct tension for the newly rigged inner stay? Should it be the same as the forestay? Should it be softer or harder as the forestay? I have also an adjustable backstay. How would you approach that? Thanks for your coaching!
I would start off with both of them being about equal. The same rule would apply: tighten the backstay when upwind and loosen it when downwind. Having the adjustable backstay, I like to set both headstays a little looser than I would if the backstay was fixed so that I have some flexibility in my adjustment (tighter to looser).
My West Solent is similar to the Solent design you mention, but the Solent stay doesn’t run to the top of the mast, it runs to the same point as a cutter goes to on the mast, 2/3rds up.
Love your videos very helpful. Only a suggestion if I may. Is I would use bright diff colour strings for model as it is hard to see on screen so colour ones would stand out more
We have three headsail stays. Two forward ones with roller furlers. The other is hank on. Not sure what it is called but the whole system gives lots of options.
"Baby Stays" or "Baby Backstays": We (the boat and me) have Baby Backstays which some people have called running backstays and are so close to the shrouds you might think they are auxiliary shrouds. What do you think their proper name is? 23 foot cutter trailer sailer. The Baby Backstays are from the gunwale 22 inches aft of the mast to the spreaders, and each has it's own set of double blocks (2 pairs of 'pulleys'). Boom goes out about 75-80 degrees preventer before hitting baby stays, ok for me. Backstay adjustable double blocks, should I get a tension gauge $140? Mast post from keel to deck. Does rigging tightness affect tacking? Downhauls on staysail and jib are terrific. In higher winds I downhaul the jib straight into a sailbag rigged on forestay. Downhauls (thin line, light load) led to cockpit. Halyards for staysail and jib also led to cockpit. Three reefs on main led to cockpit. Everything led to cockpit, easy to adjust every line, easy to singlehand (I thank the previous owner for the beautiful rigging refit). Thanks for making the point about the mast being a lever arm to lift the keel. Now I see that a lot of heel is a big stress on the keel's pivot bolt and bolt hole on pivoting retractable keel, 600 lb on this trailer sailer. Knockdown is a concern with only 600 lb keel: boat sank before previous owner's total refit. I set sail for good handling not max speed. ymmv. I'm not in a hurry. When I sail 'not-fast' I get to sail more hours; if I sailed max fast I would reach port too soon. Thank you for your really clear explanations. Budster Budman, April 2023
I spent about 100 days on a three basted barque (two tops square-rigged) and I remember how much of a bitch the blocks on the sheets of our jib and flying jib were to get over forestaysail and jib respectively when tacking. Not much clearance, and lots of wiggling with the sheet line out on the bowsprit to get it over the stay..
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Thanks a lot!! I was just searching for the name of the Solent Stay on google and got to a nice class about the mast we are just assembling!! I always love you explanation!!
Odd Life Crafting Glad it was helpful. It means a lot to me that you benefited from the video 😁
If you have any questions or need help with something rigging related, let me know!
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@@RiggingDoctor Thanks a lot!! I definitely will!!
Hello Odd Life, watching one of my favorite rigging channels and who do I see...my favorite boat rebuilding couple!
As an aerospace engineer trained in wings, This is a first class explanation of the wind forces on the sailboat. A sailboat is very similar to the several wing options on airplanes. The use of different wing configurations is very much like this discussion of how to use different sail plans. Cutter vs. Solent vs. hybrid. The how to use the different sail plans is the key to understanding why you would pick one over another.
There is a lot of overlap between sailing and flying! Thank you for the good words.
This is probably the most informative video on whole RUclips about the basics of standing rigging.
Thank you very much
I've been searching around the web for a beginner's explanation of sailing dynamics and rigging to satisfy my onset fascination of sailing, and all I've encountered are confusing biased justification of why a certain system is better because it is what they use in the Vendee Globe or American Cup.This is, by far, the best no BS, no hype explanation I've encountered on the net that actually makes sense on a cruising point of view.. Thank you so much.
Thank you very much
Thank you, I am a new owner of a 37ft cutter and you explained it spot on. And I learned a lot from you. Thank you.
Great to hear!
You are a fantastic teacher. I learned a lot about rigging and the forces on a boat that I never really thought about before. Thank you!
I don't know how many people I've listened to explain rigging, but now that I've heard your explanation I actually understand it! Thank you.
As the owner of a cutter, I totally agree that 'gentling' your boat in heavy weather is the way to go. Less heal, less strain on the rigging and less strain on the crew. It's also makes the voyage enjoyable rather than a constant challenge.
Nice job Herbie, the Solent rig also gives you the option of a simple ready to go tradewind downwind set up with both sails poles out , you have a great rig ,potentially reefable by rolling the head sails. There might be enough sail area to lower the chafe prone mainsail and still make decent time on a passage safely . Cheers Warren
Exceptional teacher, could not be explained any clearer. I now totally understand. Thank you so much.
I love this video. It was the first time I listened to Herbie on Sailing Vessel Wisdom at the Rigging Doctor RUclips channel. I remember thinking quietly , " This kid is going to make a great sailor".
I have a cutter. Great vid, very insightful and helped me alot. Thanks!
Your hand gestures indicating wind force... Makes so much sense. Thank you. Beautiful exploration
You are welcome :)
Damn! Rigging school in 20 min!! Information worth gold!! Thank you so mich!
Best explanation on YT so far on the subject. Thanks. I've been looking it for awhile.
Great information! I’ve had a 80’ Hunter 37c for 20 years & have never heard it that clearly explained.
Best explanation I have ever heard. Thanks so much Very informative of basic sailing stresses
That was great information, and I must say I am very much enjoying the rigging talks.
Excellent!! It explains perfectly why I love my 37” Cutter. Thanks, Herb!
I meant 37’....😬
I was going to say, do you love your model boat 37 inches long! But then you corrected it, lol
Thanks for a really good discussion about different kinds of rigging and some of the forces on the rigging.
Totally agree if things get too windy just reef. It's the sensible thing to do, and it's easier on the boat.
Great Video ... I've been sailing a lot of years and this is the most succinct explanation I've found. Thanks!
looking forward to the Gaff rigged schooner model with dowels and twine
Haha! I might make it to Portugal before I finish that model
This is one of the best explanations of the basic concepts and comparisons of these sail types. Just found your channel and subbed up. Thanks!
Thank you very much for the great explanation. I agree with you what concerns the healing of the boat and I also prefer reefing earlier than later, it's easier and less stress for the rigging and the rudder.
I really enjoy your videos, very interesting and informative content. Greetings from Germany and Fair Winds.
I am just learning about sailing. I have been baffled by all the terms used for sail configurations. Your explanation just answered about a hundred questions I had rolling around in my head. Thank you very much for your presentation!
Glad to help!!
Great explanation of reefing. Many think you reef to avoid heeling too much. True, but it’s really important for rig longevity, to not over stress the mast, and for safety.
Thank you sooo much for your excellent explanations and rigging lessons. I find you are the best instructor out there. You are so clear and concise the way you demonstrate everything that it's easy to understand. I am in the process of making a change from sloops to buying a cutter. Now that you have given me the basic understanding of a cutter I am excited to get out there and try this.
Thanks again
Bravo!! Best explanation and advice I have seen on the topic.
Thanks for the in depth explanation on sails. :)
Thankyou for such informative videos. Really useful stuff.
Another great one! “Too Fast to Fish” -sounds like a tee shirt to me! I’ve really liked your new format, it’s really fun for me and different, Thanks!
best explanation i've listened too, thanks man
I have owned sloops, a 44’ cutter and a 46’ ketch. Hey! They all work. And I liked them all. For a larger boat, really liked the ketch, especially short handed. Vessels under 40, yeah, a sloop is fine.
very informative. A good example of boat balance.
Great video. This stimulated a lot of ideas. Mast further aft, rotating wing mast, very high aspect main, most drive coming from foresails. I expect it's all been done
Thankyou for many great videos.
I had long agoo a small sloop (Staley 19) that I converted to a slutter, not by adding a inner fore stay but by adding a bowspreat and a outer fore stay. It was mostly to better light wind performance, and it worked realy well in light wind going against choppy sea, gave both better balance and better run against the waves. But why surprised me most was how good she balanced in medium winds going upwind when I added so much lateral force forward of the existing sailplane.
Now I start to wonder how she realy was balanced before.
I'm messing around with similar ideas (albeit on a dinghy, not a keelboat), and I'm also surprised how little difference to the helm balance extra foresails can make..
That was one of the best and simple explanations I've seen. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful :)
Succinct, clear explanation of an extremely complex situation
Thank you
that's great information Herb. I am considering adding a second forestay to create a simple downwind rig so now I know I'll have a Solent. That's kinda interesting too because the first time I sailed this boat was in The Solent (for your non uk subscribers - that's the bit of water between the Isle of Wight and mainland UK :-) )
Fascinating and totally comprehensible. I'm a newb and feel like I got most of that explanation.
Awesome explanations, thank you.
Love the bucket of rocks analogy. Thanks for the clear, concise video!
👍 you are welcome :)
Thank you , I have learned so mini thing from you all , thank you , Andy
Glad to help!
Thank you so much for these excellent explanations. I am just adding a mobile inner fore-stay to my Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 49 and I'll double check some things now. Just to make sure the new headsail is not pulling too much to the front, without back-stay support. Thanks again!
Super excellent description and info!!! I was really hoping there was a video like this and you have done it for me!!! Cheers Mate, and happy sailing!!!
This is by far one of the best 'teaching/explaining " videos I've seen. Thank You!
Thank you very much!
@@RiggingDoctor I just saw one of your videos last week and have been trying to get up to your 'time'. Wished I'd have seen the one's on Teceria when you were there. I was stationed there from, well along time ago. Some of the sites look the same. Others I think they have made it easier for people to find. Like the walk through the forest videoo.
Back in my day, you had to know a local to get back in there where you guys were. It was so nice to see. Especially Pria De Victoria! Love that little town. Thanks Again.
Terceira really was one of our favorite places that we have visited on this trip.
When we fly back to the states for Christmas, we are trying to organize the flights to have some time there so we can get a good visit in :)
@@RiggingDoctor There is a husband and wife that have their own business there on Teceria, they have really great deals from out of Boston w/hotel stay all included.
All sensible information, thank you.
Very informative video. Cutters looks so cool but clearly made for going in a strait line and not for tacking.
Very true. When we are racking a lot, we only fly the staysail to make our lives easier. Out in the ocean when you are on the same tack for a week, flying the jib is not a chore since you will never be tacking it through the slot.
Very interesting, and informative. I agree with most of your healing philosophy, less strain on the rigging, sure. I have a Jason 35, cutter rigged. Thanks.
Thanks so much, I've learned so much from this video!
Very good video. Thank you for the good info. Well explained.
Glad you liked it!
Great post, thanks for all of the info.
You’re welcome
Thanks for this. Great explanations. When are you guys going sailing again.
This summer!
good job on the explanation, fair winds !
Absolutely the best explanation Will definitely subscribe.
On our little trailer-sailor, we have been trying headsails set flying. Not very close winded but not bad. We have a genoa up front hanked onto the stay, with a downhaul, and we are thinking of launching a small jib set flying behind the stay for strong winds. This sail position is also suitable for a light weather spinnaker of some description which we have been trying out.
Very cool! Flying jibs have a long history on sailboats for a reason.
Very informative. I bought a 39' cutter rigged Cavalier several years ago and decided to take off the inner stay and running back stays for the time being, as I'm currently only doing local coastal cruising ( plus I'm also relatively new to sailing - so wanted to simplify my rigging). As I get ready to do some offshore sailing, I've debated whether or not to reinstall the cutter rig. After seeing this video, I'm most certainly going to set it back up as a cutter. Thank you for the clear and precise explanation.
Offshore, the staysail is the only sail that was up almost the entire ocean crossing.
@@RiggingDoctor Do you have a boom for your staysail? If so, any images/video of it in action? Thank you.
I really enjoyed your solent discussion video
Good stuff!!! Keep it coming.
We have ours cutter rigged. The most easy, best balance, lazyest setup we have is second reef on the main and the staysail up. The second reef on the main allows both running backstays to be tightened at the same time and the boom and the sail has clearance to pass both. Just awesome setup! The only problem is that we allmost never see enough wind for that setup! ;-)
This was a super useful video! Cheers 🙏
Thanks!
I find this series of discussions about rigging setups excellent. I would love to see this entire series redone with something behind the sailboat masts and rigging so that they are more visible. The color scheme of the background and the cord and dowels used for masts are similar enough that you can only clearly see them where the blue pillows are.
Very true, when we get back to Baltimore I will be redoing them with a black background.
Thanks for the great info!
And this highlights a comparative advantage for my trimaran. The beam is wide enough for the swept sidestays to reduce the accute angle. That in turn leaves the wing mast free to rake fore and aft. When the jib is roller reefed, rake the mast back to move the CoE aft.
Then again, if my boat is heeling 15%, I have bigger problems. Reef early and reef often!
This is a really helpful video. Thanks so much! Makes me think twice about heading offshore with a roller furler, especially an older furler. I think I’d rather set the capehorn and go forward to hank on the storm jib, even solo. You had me at downhaul and drifter :-) :-) :-)
EXCELENTE EXPLICACION CAPITAN SALUDOS DESDE ARGENTINA Y BUENOS VIENTOS !!!!!!
Muchisimas gracias :)
That was a lot to take in. Explained a lot. Amazing video. My Santana was my first sailboat and it took me forever to understand the running back stays. Now that I have been at it longer I’m looking forward to not having them on my beneteau. I also enjoy a deep heel to shake up the kids and guests but after thinking about that pressure I may slow it down, lol.
With the twin spreader swept back rig of a lot of boats one can virtually set up a cutter rig to the top spreader with enough arft pressure from the swept back rig to do away with a runner , though i do have runners set up for heavier weather tied off to the rigging on a bungie, Cats with there wide base & swept back rig do away with runners completely .Nice post , like the bird
Thanks for the explanation on boat design and rigs . Now I am happy with the boat I am building.👍
What are you building? Can you send me pictures to my email (riggingdr@gmail.com)?
I love seeing other designs to get ideas for our own project.
Wow, fantastic explanation, and super helpful!
Excellent description!
That's really being in tune with your pet 😂
Thanks for the great info... Well explained
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Very nicely done.
Just to add another variation. Our Solent rig has the two headsail furlers, parallel, about two feet apart. In light winds we can tack the genoa between the two stays. We have runners as the attachment of the inner furler is about 7ft down from the top of the mast. Going to windward in heavy weather the runners give is an advantage with mast stiffness and reduced mast pumping. It's an option we like.we set it up like this out of preference. It works well
Sounds like the best of both worlds!
Super informative vid. Thank you.
You are welcome. I’m glad it was able to answer some of your questions :)
EXCELLENT. I learned a lot.
Good video. My favorite is to have a staysail boom so that instead of tacking the staysail sheets you simply tack the backstays. Short tacking in light wind, drop the jib and you can ignore the backstays, just leave them slack. Also, rig your backstays to the center line of the boat to eliminate off center forces at the mast.
Also I hope maybe in the sail section that you get to describing not just the forces on how wind goes around a sail but why we want the wind to be offset and therefore our sail is also offset thereby having the force push the boat in the direction you want the boat to go. Well and then there is angle of attack to prevent a stall or to induce a stall.
excellent explaining
Great Video. Thanks! I have a 1960 Skorgenes (Norway) 41' Mahogany Sloop. It has 1 back stay, 2 running back stays (steel cable with block and tackle to the cockpit), check stays, cutter rig set up with sail track on the mast and fore deck and 2 forestays coming off a "Y" at the bow, both going to the mast head, one port & one starboard. I have NO furlers. I can run a solent rig (I know technically the Solent is aft of the forestay, not next to it). with either the Genoa or the Jib flying with no tacking problem as the No. 1 sail doesn't have to squeeze between the space that would be there if it were a normal Solent rig. Oh and I don't have a boom Vang, I have preventers, one port and one starboard. The Naval Architect that designed this boat for an Oslo businessman built it for North Sea and Baltic Sea navigation. She is now being refurbished while sailing the San Francisco Bay Area. Fair winds and following seas.........
As it turns out all I had to do is watch this video instead of bugging you. Should have known the Rigging Docter would have a video on exactly what I was asking about. Figures Thanks a bunch my friend, love ya.
Its amazing the amount of terms there are for different setups.
Apparently, Eskimos (Inuits) have 50 names to describe the different types of snow.
Hope you don't end up confusing a lot of your viewers with so much details. Wannabee sailors might just drop the towel thinking this is too much.
Let me add more to the confusion, if I may:
1- Modern rigs use swept back spreaders to do away with check stays while still providing better support for the mast. They also keep the mast up when both running backstays are loose. Sure these spreaders don't allow to swing the boom all the way out, but that's no problem because modern boat make better VMG when gybing than when running straight downwind. So no need to swing the boom all the way out anymore.
2- Wind force on sails is function of the square of the wind speed. so if you double wind speed, then you dradruple the force on the sail. That's why reefing on time is good so that you don't end up putting excessive and unnecessary stress on your rig.
3- Hulls are not designed to move through the water efficiently when heeled over more than 30 deg. This is why when you reef, most the time you notice that the boat goes just as fast as it did before reefing , but with less heel. What more do you ask for?
4- The advantage of the staysail with 2 or 3 reef in the main is that it keeps the sail plan nicely balanced and centered with respect to the center of resistance of the keel, meaning no excessive lee or weather helm, and that is important when it's blowing 30 or 40 knots.
5- Inner forestays are no longer permanently fixed on modern fast cruising cutters. They can be releasable, or even integrated as part of a continuous furling staysail, meaning you only rig up the whole set when you need it, just like with a gennaker or code 0. This is now possible because the stay is textile and no longer stainless steel cable.
I think you may not! Make your own forum.
@@donquixote1502 What an excellent idea!
Will you promise to subscribe if I open my own forum?
I'll call it " Everything you always wanted to know about boats but were afraid to ask"
I would subscribe to your forum 😁
@@RiggingDoctor OK , but priority is to @Always Reading first
does not sound like a human, , when the human mind gets overload , they just , shut it down , and do it stupid. .. ''i do''''
solid rod fore stay take it you have not heard of them great for inner stays
“It won’t work. That was tried in the 70’s and stopped in the 70’s”. Unintentionally the most accurate description of an entire decade.
😂 now that I think about it, there are a bunch of other things that fit that description.
Good comments. I love cutters but you would also love a ketch for steady sails.
I was originally looking for a ketch but couldn’t find one that fit my requirements! By luck I stumbled on my boat and it checked all the boxes except the mizzen
It's the same for flying airplanes. Sure when it's just you and maybe one other person you can do 45 60° Banks but if you've got passengers you definitely want to do shallow Banks and make sure you're doing your coordinated turns
What would be best additional stay for C&C40. Large headsail driven rig with smaller high aspect mainsail? Typical sloop with little provision for reducing foresail area.
Also if Solent stay added and existing backstay supports it, can you butterfly both the sails downwind? At what point must you increase the support factor of that backstay. C&C40 uses Navtec hydraulic adjustable backstay. Thanks!
Hi Rigging Doctor😊….
I sail my Beneteau Oceanis 48 set up as a SLUTTER…. according to you!
The inner stay is also roller reefing system. Same as the forestay.
My question is:
How should I find the correct tension for the newly rigged inner stay?
Should it be the same as the forestay?
Should it be softer or harder as the forestay?
I have also an adjustable backstay.
How would you approach that?
Thanks for your coaching!
I would start off with both of them being about equal. The same rule would apply: tighten the backstay when upwind and loosen it when downwind.
Having the adjustable backstay, I like to set both headstays a little looser than I would if the backstay was fixed so that I have some flexibility in my adjustment (tighter to looser).
This is great! Thanks so much!
You’re welcome!
My West Solent is similar to the Solent design you mention, but the Solent stay doesn’t run to the top of the mast, it runs to the same point as a cutter goes to on the mast, 2/3rds up.
Love your videos very helpful. Only a suggestion if I may.
Is I would use bright diff colour strings for model as it is hard to see on screen so colour ones would stand out more
I’m going to be making these videos again with a black background 😉
@@RiggingDoctor that would be great. Keep up the good work. I really get a lot from your videos. Thanks.
Excellent. Looking forward to it. Thanks Herbie. I'm actually in the dentist chair waiting for my new crown fir number 16 to mill. Have a great day
Cerec crowns are pretty awesome!
Thanks, I know way more now thanks to you!
Happy to help!
We have three headsail stays. Two forward ones with roller furlers. The other is hank on. Not sure what it is called but the whole system gives lots of options.
It sounds like the best of all worlds!
"Baby Stays" or "Baby Backstays": We (the boat and me) have Baby Backstays which some people have called running backstays and are so close to the shrouds you might think they are auxiliary shrouds. What do you think their proper name is? 23 foot cutter trailer sailer. The Baby Backstays are from the gunwale 22 inches aft of the mast to the spreaders, and each has it's own set of double blocks (2 pairs of 'pulleys'). Boom goes out about 75-80 degrees preventer before hitting baby stays, ok for me. Backstay adjustable double blocks, should I get a tension gauge $140? Mast post from keel to deck.
Does rigging tightness affect tacking? Downhauls on staysail and jib are terrific. In higher winds I downhaul the jib straight into a sailbag rigged on forestay. Downhauls (thin line, light load) led to cockpit. Halyards for staysail and jib also led to cockpit. Three reefs on main led to cockpit. Everything led to cockpit, easy to adjust every line, easy to singlehand (I thank the previous owner for the beautiful rigging refit).
Thanks for making the point about the mast being a lever arm to lift the keel. Now I see that a lot of heel is a big stress on the keel's pivot bolt and bolt hole on pivoting retractable keel, 600 lb on this trailer sailer. Knockdown is a concern with only 600 lb keel: boat sank before previous owner's total refit.
I set sail for good handling not max speed. ymmv. I'm not in a hurry. When I sail 'not-fast' I get to sail more hours; if I sailed max fast I would reach port too soon.
Thank you for your really clear explanations.
Budster Budman, April 2023
Man! Your guys’ vids are so informative! Thank you !!!
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I learned a thing or two, maybe ten things. Thanks buddy.
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I spent about 100 days on a three basted barque (two tops square-rigged) and I remember how much of a bitch the blocks on the sheets of our jib and flying jib were to get over forestaysail and jib respectively when tacking. Not much clearance, and lots of wiggling with the sheet line out on the bowsprit to get it over the stay..