Stormen's "no slide" wall bounce Explained

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  • Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025

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  • @Gruic03
    @Gruic03  2 года назад +37

    If you didn't understand from my explanation, my friend jonei explains it very well in his video :)
    ruclips.net/video/E9Fvfm2NA-E/видео.html

    • @vulcanifilio
      @vulcanifilio 2 года назад +2

      Hello! the video is currently privated :') I wanted to know how to short slide cause I couldn't figure it out

    • @SandyyyBro
      @SandyyyBro 10 месяцев назад

      annnnnd its gone

  • @Ridlay_
    @Ridlay_ 2 года назад +520

    That clip though, how he goes zooming around the corner is insane, love Stormen’s movement.

  • @kye367
    @kye367 2 года назад +300

    its really hard to get used to having to remember the inputs and not just climb the wall

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад +50

      Yeah that’s how it was for me too, but if you start practicing it in game it will be second nature

    • @felixmousseau5192
      @felixmousseau5192 2 года назад +2

      Nah

    • @kye367
      @kye367 2 года назад +13

      @@Gruic03 im back, i use it almost everytime, this is a revelation to all

    • @cooltron
      @cooltron 2 года назад +1

      @@kye367 Its unnecessary. Just style points

    • @Mango-rn7gy
      @Mango-rn7gy 2 года назад +16

      @@cooltron not really if you do it and look at the person your fighting youll break their fucking neck if your good

  • @CheeSsBurgir
    @CheeSsBurgir Год назад

    I don't know why but I love this video. You are explaining an easy trick in easy words and not taking much time unlike some other people on RUclips. Man I love it

    • @clusokiller99
      @clusokiller99 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah in fact he ain't explaining shit with shit audio, plus "no slide wall bounce" but he explains a wall bounce where you have to slide OKE bro

  • @trippythehippie
    @trippythehippie 2 года назад +100

    Honestly I've been doing the no slide wallbouce this whole time because on controller it's just easier cause less inputs. Didn't realize there was an actual difference

    • @cinnamoncrunch2633
      @cinnamoncrunch2633 2 года назад +3

      So I wasn't alone huh

    • @alzaeem79
      @alzaeem79 2 года назад

      You can't even wall bounce on controller.
      And no, I don't count the bounce back wall bounce, just the bounce to the left/right.

    • @guitargaming1133
      @guitargaming1133 2 года назад +26

      @Al Zaeem uhm yes you very much can

    • @alzaeem79
      @alzaeem79 2 года назад

      @@guitargaming1133 Do you have proof?

    • @alexandersze49
      @alexandersze49 2 года назад +6

      @@alzaeem79 I mean… what proof? A wall bounce is when you jump off a wall, whether or not having direction just means how good you are at it or if you are limited by hardware. Maybe the guy just have good timing to press jump off the wall

  • @Yurgen_S
    @Yurgen_S 2 года назад +14

    as long as you're sprinting, no matter for how long, you can tap crouch and jump and it will be "wall bounceable"... just tested it and wow .-.
    works great with auto-sprint

    • @anyfightinggamezfine69
      @anyfightinggamezfine69 2 года назад

      Apex has an auto sprint feature?

    • @seanl1089
      @seanl1089 2 года назад +6

      @@anyfightinggamezfine69 you should try staring into your setting menu, there's probably many settings youre missing out on.
      I'll give you one of my fav, "taking dmg exits deathbox or crafter" it so that you can craft in zone or open boxes for armour swap if the enemy is still shooting you.

    • @anyfightinggamezfine69
      @anyfightinggamezfine69 2 года назад

      @@seanl1089 oh wow thank you thatll help alot

    • @Scroolewse
      @Scroolewse 2 года назад +1

      @@anyfightinggamezfine69 yeah he's right, ANY game you play you should always investigate all the options available. Especially the "Game" or "Gameplay" tab, that's usually where they have some really good quality of life settings.

    • @iTelluWHHOT
      @iTelluWHHOT 2 года назад

      @@seanl1089 I was gonna actually go right ahead and change that setting but thought it might mess you up on armor swaps mid fight so I think it's worth leaving off tbh. It's probably a good way to work on your reaction

  • @lakshy7443
    @lakshy7443 2 года назад +1

    bro ur channel is really underrated i hope u get the subs u deserve

  • @traviss7740
    @traviss7740 2 года назад +17

    been doing this for awhile... you can also wall bounce after landing from a fall when you have fall fatigue

  • @pinkliongaming8769
    @pinkliongaming8769 2 года назад +2

    The absolute balls of Stimming TOWARDS the enemy at one HP

  • @hypnotic_o
    @hypnotic_o 2 года назад +10

    I was looking how stormen does this lmao thanks

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад

      Glad I can help

  • @Leledorf
    @Leledorf 2 года назад

    the passion in your voice is extreme

    • @davyboi2469
      @davyboi2469 10 месяцев назад

      Ikr, his words touched me in places I didn't ask

  • @prescientoracle6335
    @prescientoracle6335 2 года назад +50

    I wallbounced like this in season 9 - current not knowing how to slide wall bounce, I had no idea it was uncommon :/

  • @HesOneShot88
    @HesOneShot88 2 года назад +40

    Actually, you have to shift your momentum in the direction you intend to jump off of the wall.And it has to be done right before you hit the wall.You do not need to slide, just snap in the direction right before you hit the wall.Theres also another movement tech you can do if you push the crouch button as soon as you hit the wall that will make you launch downward quickly that gives you extra slide distance.

    • @realscout1775
      @realscout1775 2 года назад +1

      This is for when you trying to wall jump short walla

  • @OnyxOSRS
    @OnyxOSRS 2 года назад +3

    As a Pathy main that deadslides like no other.... this movement tech is HUGE.

    • @iuritur3276
      @iuritur3276 Год назад

      Dude I always wondered if that was why so many Pathfinders wallbounced, thanks now I feel somewhat intellectual

  • @Raz-G
    @Raz-G Год назад +2

    essentially, after testing movement and trying to find new mechanics, I realised there exist "invisible momentum". Apparently, your physical momentum slows as you keep holding the slide, obvious right? But, the initial speed boost from sliding is carried out through the duration of the slide invisibly. Meaning, that even if your running unit is 1, as long as you hit that wall bounce, you'll carry out the initial momentum of a speed slide.
    I have many more things i've discovered, movement, has limitless potential.

  • @Reezico
    @Reezico 2 года назад +2

    you don’t have to slide at all, literally just walk up to a wall, and wall bounce…the way gruic showed me how to walk bounce by wall climbing first works the best

  • @AaronAviion
    @AaronAviion Год назад

    Sometimes when I get shit on, I just come watch people who are better than me lol

  • @TBreezy69
    @TBreezy69 2 года назад

    Taxi recommended you and can I say he was 100% right, amazing content 💯

  • @milkliker34246
    @milkliker34246 Год назад

    I actually learned about this forever ago when exhausted wall bounces were popping cause it gives you a very similar vertical jump

  • @jameshenzi9134
    @jameshenzi9134 2 года назад

    this man has gained over 4k subs in less than 24 hours keep up the good work

  • @badren-sd7fe
    @badren-sd7fe 2 года назад

    why does this only have 100k views

  • @aleshkas1993
    @aleshkas1993 2 года назад +1

    omg thank you so much i always wondered what use there is to instantly crouching and jumping

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад

      Gotchu dude :)

  • @paradux0z52
    @paradux0z52 2 года назад

    all 3 clips of stormen, he slides into it.

  • @locust-4875
    @locust-4875 Год назад

    maturing is realising that stormens movement isnt actually that impossible and is easily replicated, but only realest will learn that its not the movement thats shocking its that he does it ina game and against real players with real situations. stormen best

  • @ryanreviews8566
    @ryanreviews8566 2 года назад

    that clip was sick

  • @FancyLad692
    @FancyLad692 8 месяцев назад

    this helped me a lot

  • @She_lovesdre
    @She_lovesdre Год назад

    Tysm for making this video this really helped

  • @NITROUSOXIDE921
    @NITROUSOXIDE921 2 года назад

    thanks for the tip sensei

  • @pancakepotato1953
    @pancakepotato1953 2 года назад

    This will be great since I have had a lot of dead slides recently

  • @yingluvsyang
    @yingluvsyang 2 года назад

    literally only implented this with skip jumps n infinite wallbounces.... now i can b a demon on doorways >:) ,i love you

    • @kindajacked5154
      @kindajacked5154 2 года назад

      How’s the jump fatigue prodigy doing nowadays? 🤔

  • @iBobbyFPS
    @iBobbyFPS 2 года назад

    Interesting I knew you could do this but I wasn’t aware he used to so often, I might have to start using it more myself

  • @rage_scorpio5494
    @rage_scorpio5494 2 года назад +1

    Ngl...I actually do this all the time, I´m proud now that it´s actually a bit fancy

  • @markonaw3958
    @markonaw3958 Год назад

    If you do superglides with your crouch set to space bar and a secondary jump set to V (X,C,B,N work as well) you can press that input and wallbounce like this no need to time a small slide only hard part is making sure you’re at the right distance

  • @mepz.
    @mepz. 2 года назад +16

    Any advice for wall jumping while walking? Like when you are in a close quarter 1v1 but don't have enough Time or space to slide jump. In these scenarios I feel like they are really inconsistent and I try jump off the wall but either get stuck or just headbutt the wall

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад +21

      You could do what is called a "fatigue" wall bounce. There are two steps to doing this, the first being you need to get jump fatigue. Jump fatigue is what happens after you jump once and your jumps start to get lower in height (kind of like b-hopping). So basically, you need to be in jump fatigue and then go immediately for a wall bounce, but instead of jumping off the wall you will do a quick wall run and then jump to avoid that "stuck" feeling. Something that helped me stop getting stuck when wall bouncing is putting my gun away when going towards the wall, that way, I have more momentum. As far as I can see, it would be pointless to hold your gun out when going towards the wall and you won't be able to shoot immediately anyway. You can then take your gun back out once you're in the air. Hope this helped :)

    • @mepz.
      @mepz. 2 года назад +3

      @@Gruic03 I see, going to try this out when I get on soon. Thank you very much for the detailed response I appreciate it :D. +1 sub and also gonna mention how much more recognition you should be getting, your channel is amazing

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад +6

      @@mepz. Thanks for the support dude! I'm aware that my channel is going steady right now and that is mainly because I'm not advertising my channel at all. I find people who spam advertise kind of irritating, so I don't want to end up being irritating myself. Lately I've been getting much more support and I'm glad you're a part of my journey

    • @jordonlaur9643
      @jordonlaur9643 2 года назад +3

      @@mepz. One thing ive noticed is you can actually air strafe into the wall and wallbounce off. It's a little finnicky sometimes

    • @claudiuneacsu1716
      @claudiuneacsu1716 2 года назад

      Or just focus your shots instead of doing flashy things?

  • @very_database219
    @very_database219 2 года назад +5

    The more late you latch the more jump you get.If you do it early,the bounce is pretty small.In situations both the technique usages depends.If you are getting chased and the enemy is shooting,Then the no slide wall bounce is good to manuever and buy yourself some more chances.If you need speed while getting shot and chased(And you are also pretty far from a safe spot),Then the slide wall bounce is a good technique to gain some good speed and some time after the wall bounce,You will keep the speed for a few milliseconds(I think,may be just perspective).But in a nutshell,The no slide is good for maneuvering and height and the slide wallbounce is good for speed.(Also please don't take everything for granted,This is my experience with this tech)

  • @g3ty81
    @g3ty81 2 года назад

    I just did this all crazy yesterday. The blood hound looked at me like... HUH

  • @rysjavel
    @rysjavel 2 года назад

    Thank you bro

  • @rkrayzk6099
    @rkrayzk6099 2 года назад

    How did you jump off that rock without mantling it!?

  • @StandardGabriel
    @StandardGabriel 2 года назад

    this feels like a draw the rest of the fucking owl instructions

  • @jericho_here8946
    @jericho_here8946 2 года назад

    Wait, you can slide into a wall bounce?

  • @coolahalic
    @coolahalic 2 года назад +2

    Wall bouncing is strictly landing your jump action on a downward angle from the peak of your jump, you don't have to slide at all

    • @jacobshank9362
      @jacobshank9362 2 года назад +1

      Does it have to be downward angle from peak of jump? I have never noticed this myself

    • @zackkelley5762
      @zackkelley5762 2 года назад +1

      I'm pretty sure I do my wall jumps before i hit my peak height. I thought I do my wall jump while still moving upwards, before my peak height, but now I need to go experiment with it and actually pay attention. I thought wall jumping while still ascending made you jump higher, and if I do my wall jumps after my peak height, they are lower? But now I gotta pay attention.

    • @coolahalic
      @coolahalic 2 года назад

      @@jacobshank9362 to be honest, I'm not really sure that's at least what I've noticed off of observation. I never actually knew you could slide to wall bounce more easily.

    • @coolahalic
      @coolahalic 2 года назад

      @@zackkelley5762hey Zach, hmmm interesting, I will have to try to wall bounce BEFORE the peak of the jump, I can see how that would work quicker and the same way as directly after the peak!

    • @zackkelley5762
      @zackkelley5762 2 года назад

      @@coolahalic like I said. I'm not sure. And I'm no movement expert. I'm just a diamond scrub on console. I dont usually incorporate wall jumps into direct battle, because I'm not that good, I usually incorporate them while trying to flee from battle to dodge bullets. 😂

  • @astraha.
    @astraha. 2 года назад

    Hold on, isnt that the thing called "skip jumping" ?
    Remember seeing Mokeys video about it.

  • @scrub6515
    @scrub6515 2 года назад

    there's like 3-4 ways to do this tho, if you wallbounce when your player is "uncrouching" you will also get a real wallbounce. you don't have to crouch before you jump at all

  • @pinkliongaming8769
    @pinkliongaming8769 2 года назад

    0:13 My man, you got a clip of Titanfall 2 by mistake

  • @saidend3393
    @saidend3393 2 года назад

    Thx so much

  • @Fuzefromr6
    @Fuzefromr6 2 года назад

    If you watch the first clip slower you can tell he slides when he’s on the ledge but the door that was cool

  • @elysium2314
    @elysium2314 2 года назад

    Isn't it basically just activating jump fatige and infinite walljumping?

  • @helinkbelnyi
    @helinkbelnyi 2 года назад

    what is the resolution?

  • @xarkyy3057
    @xarkyy3057 2 года назад

    similar to jump fatigue wall bounce. wall bouncing when you have jump fatigue makes you jump vertically. with no jump fatigue you don’t go very high

  • @5kyh1gh11
    @5kyh1gh11 2 года назад

    I never slide anyway, never knew you could slide and do it

    • @kindajacked5154
      @kindajacked5154 2 года назад

      Trolling

    • @5kyh1gh11
      @5kyh1gh11 2 года назад

      @@kindajacked5154 Nah, thats before i did movment, i used to be so crap

    • @kindajacked5154
      @kindajacked5154 2 года назад

      @@5kyh1gh11 lmaooo

    • @5kyh1gh11
      @5kyh1gh11 2 года назад

      @@kindajacked5154 I have not see you in ages

    • @kindajacked5154
      @kindajacked5154 2 года назад

      @@5kyh1gh11 Yee I haven’t been playin as much, haven’t even tried the new split

  • @jeffblank699
    @jeffblank699 2 года назад

    I just learned this yesterday by accident lol

  • @microwavedbanana4165
    @microwavedbanana4165 2 года назад +3

    this is exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
    by any chance do you know how to wall bounce with no momentum?

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад +4

      Yes you have to have jump fatigue in order to wall bounce without momentum and instead of jumping off the wall you do a wallrun instead. Let me know if you would like a more detailed explanation

    • @notreallythin
      @notreallythin 2 года назад

      @@Gruic03 I would like a more detailed explanation

    • @microwavedbanana4165
      @microwavedbanana4165 2 года назад +1

      @@notreallythin I figured it out after some attempts.
      Basically you just stand still, and start moving towards the wall, then calculate more or less if the highest point of the jump you just did will make you collide with the wall. When you feel like you made the connection with the wall, just press a direction key (A or D depending on your angle) and jump for the wall bounce.
      So this is more of a wall bounce without the slide. But you can also do it without momentum.
      Edit: if you do the thing I described above, try to do 1 jump before doing it, so you can get more height on your opponent. Apparently this is achieved because of jump fatigue

  • @emmanuelmesoga511
    @emmanuelmesoga511 2 года назад +1

    so it’s basically an easier version of fatigue walljumping?

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад +2

      Yeah except you can’t spam it like a fatigue wall junp

  • @BriskkFX
    @BriskkFX 2 года назад

    thanks man

  • @veg7042
    @veg7042 Год назад

    What’s the best graphics settings for movement and aim assist

  • @nathanjustimano9242
    @nathanjustimano9242 Год назад

    Does it work with deadslide?

  • @WattsonorSomething
    @WattsonorSomething 2 года назад

    So, you don't have to slide. For example, if you crouch in the air and un-crouch you'll do this high jump as well.

  • @ACuria68
    @ACuria68 2 года назад +1

    Interesting, not sure if I fully understood but will give it a try in the range. maybe the 3rd person view would help to understand better. anyway thanks for the tip. just subbed btw.

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад +3

      Apologies this is my first video and I wasn't very good at explaining things here xD
      Essentially all you do is a crouch and then a jump right after and you can wall bounce like that. Stormen perfected this and when he does it its really hard to see any crouch. Also I appreciate the sub

  • @yoelplayer2
    @yoelplayer2 2 года назад

    How can i remove textures from structures haha?

  • @imSkrap
    @imSkrap 2 года назад +1

    my wall jumps are so inconsistent but always land in intense situations rather then when im messing around, whats the trick to actually wall bouncing properly? i either sometimes dont even latch onto the wall and just bonk my head or nothing happens

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад

      You can rework your wall jumps with wall runs instead of bounces which is what I do. Like you, I used to bonk myself but wall runs let you wall bounce much easier

    • @mykellederickpalad7883
      @mykellederickpalad7883 2 года назад

      My wall jumps doesn't seem to have much distance in them if i try to tap strafe into it like the pros do. Sometimes I get a good one but it's so inconsistent for me.

    • @alexpopov6661
      @alexpopov6661 2 года назад

      @@mykellederickpalad7883 its all about the angle you enter with and the angle you exit with, for those max distance wall jumps

  • @zlyncs
    @zlyncs 2 года назад

    whats your res bro

  • @wzgdwolfe999
    @wzgdwolfe999 2 года назад

    Bro litterstly slid in all those wall bounces

  • @grimmy3753
    @grimmy3753 2 года назад

    i genuinely didnt know people long slided i though everyone did rapid slide jump into the wall

  • @variantvpn8896
    @variantvpn8896 Год назад

    what stretch res u have?

  • @tracecave9785
    @tracecave9785 Год назад

    me still waiting for the part where explains it... the video ends... still waits...

  • @colenoakes
    @colenoakes 2 года назад

    Any tips for controller wall bounce. I can’t get this much distance on mine.

  • @realscout1775
    @realscout1775 2 года назад

    Trigger jump fatigue then wall jump aka just jump before you wall jump

  • @polaroids5189
    @polaroids5189 Год назад

    what res are u using

  • @rocco7636
    @rocco7636 2 года назад

    I didn't know sliding into a wall bounce was a thing

  • @JuriGyga
    @JuriGyga Год назад

    what res were you using?

  • @vyrolmao
    @vyrolmao Год назад

    you don't need any of that just normally bounce of the wall its harder but no slide jump is actually needed

  • @omercanke6248
    @omercanke6248 Год назад

    Res ?

  • @8t3f
    @8t3f 2 года назад

    i actually started out with out any slides on wall bounces. i dont think its any different and thought it was common

  • @rylecastro6689
    @rylecastro6689 2 года назад +2

    this seems to be similar with how infinite wall bouncing works.. check out treerees video on it its pretty nuts

  • @Hamhockss
    @Hamhockss 2 года назад

    Is this tutorial for m&k or controller?

  • @Arkovin
    @Arkovin Год назад

    damn i just jump normally then tapstrafe really hard to the left or right then chase the wall with the camera then i just press a directional then jump, depending on the angle of where you aimed you will get more or less speed to that direction but normally you kinda bounce a bit, if you add foward imput and directional you can also skip climb animation

  • @ElderGoblin
    @ElderGoblin 2 года назад

    It's called a fatigue jump. Tutorials are on yt

  • @Dragstar_zurr
    @Dragstar_zurr 2 года назад

    What skin were u were in in
    the first clip

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад

      Like my octane skin?

  • @artemmiracle3585
    @artemmiracle3585 2 года назад

    Wait, i thought this is right version of the wall jump. I usually wall jump like this 🤔

  • @Arrow_bro
    @Arrow_bro 2 года назад

    Am I the only one who when they open crates does this to see how far they go 🤣

  • @zahidalmeida8081
    @zahidalmeida8081 2 года назад

    Was that a "secret" tecnique? :V I do it all the time jajajaja

  • @tsm_mamad8780
    @tsm_mamad8780 2 года назад

    wait you need to slide jump I didn't know

  • @Madzilla_savage
    @Madzilla_savage 2 года назад

    can u do that with no momentum?

    • @kindajacked5154
      @kindajacked5154 2 года назад

      “Jump fatigue wall bounce / infinite wall bounce” is what you’re looking for

  • @ioutliveuonyt8541
    @ioutliveuonyt8541 2 года назад

    Just jump and crouch at the same time then jump when u hit the wall it’s easy, been doing it forever

  • @cameronnaidoo8564
    @cameronnaidoo8564 2 года назад

    I've been doing this naturally after learning wall bouncing what the hell

  • @colvinau1403
    @colvinau1403 2 года назад

    My first walk bound was without sliding

  • @liftedaura99
    @liftedaura99 2 года назад +1

    does this technique allow you to keep your climb? I notice when I try to wall bounce I don't keep my climb

    • @soxpoole
      @soxpoole 2 года назад +1

      No, wall bouncing counts as climbing as you connect and disconnect from the wall very quickly

  • @loose-hotline5026
    @loose-hotline5026 2 года назад

    I stay knew, it’s just easier for me to get momentum with the slide lol

  • @batman7920
    @batman7920 2 года назад

    whats your res?

  • @Shekharkushwahavlogs
    @Shekharkushwahavlogs 2 года назад

    great tip.
    I would suggest you hide your subscriber count it will be beneficial for new channel :D

  • @TweakoTheSecond
    @TweakoTheSecond Год назад

    "no slide"
    *still jump slides*

  • @StrangMuZ6
    @StrangMuZ6 2 года назад

    Be cracked. Is all you need lol 😎🤘

  • @jsnicks7189
    @jsnicks7189 2 года назад

    Controller?

  • @sznobu
    @sznobu 2 года назад

    haha stromens settings are look wired af

  • @bobsandwich2712
    @bobsandwich2712 2 года назад +2

    I do it without crouching though…

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад

      You don’t need jump fatigue for this method which is likely what you are referring to

    • @bobsandwich2712
      @bobsandwich2712 2 года назад +1

      @@Gruic03 no what I mean is I simply don’t slide
      I jump against a wall, pull the opposite direction and jump again. You can do it at any distance.
      Just jump, hit the wall, jump, add the direction you wanna go in.
      It’s also how you can climb walls really quickly
      Spam jump, you’ll wall jump up the wall

  • @georgtear3165
    @georgtear3165 2 года назад

    Thanks I learned something new 😈

  • @ECH0xdd
    @ECH0xdd 2 года назад

    ty

    • @Gruic03
      @Gruic03  2 года назад

      glad I can help

  • @m0shkj
    @m0shkj Год назад

    could u teach me some movement dude XD

  • @ProPlayer013youtube
    @ProPlayer013youtube 2 года назад

    huh i thought everyone would know that lol, doing that since months

    • @ProPlayer013youtube
      @ProPlayer013youtube 2 года назад

      i mean it makes sense, the slide input is the only thing that the game need for a wall jump, it doesn't matter how long that "slide" input is

    • @kindajacked5154
      @kindajacked5154 2 года назад +1

      @@ProPlayer013youtube incorrect brotha, sliding whatsoever isn’t required for a wall bounce. *jump fatigue exists*

    • @ProPlayer013youtube
      @ProPlayer013youtube 2 года назад

      @@kindajacked5154 ment that, sry

  • @apsect_3
    @apsect_3 2 года назад

    well dosent that still mean there is a slide soooo i mean