As someone who has just started getting into Pioneer competitively and learning the key decks of the format, this guide is incredible. Thank you so much. Looking forward to more guides like this!
Espectacular el video y las explicaciones, un gran trabajo, espero que os animéis a seguir haciendo estos contenidos. Muchísimas gracias por estos esfuerzos!
Thanks for this guide, it helps me understand this deck better. Pioneer is the main format in my region, hope to see more pioneer videos in your channel(where I think more professional videos are). : )
Excelente contenido continua vigente no deberian tener miedo de crear el contenido en lenguas hispanas o latina felicidades a los karnies y para esta hora y este momento felicidades a javier por el top8
At 29:07, can you clarify what Javier was saying are the cuts vs Mono Green? He’s saying always bring in 2 Go Blank, 3 Extinction Event, 2 Pithing Needle, and 1 Duress. Then for cuts: always cut the 2 vehicles, 2 Graveyard Trespasser, 2 Bonecrusher Giant and for the last 2 cards it’s (2 more Bonecrusher Giant on the draw and 2 Fatal Push on the play)? Javier wasn’t completely explicit about the last two cuts on the play but did spend some time talking about how Bonecrsuher and Fatal Push are interchangeable on the play but how Fatal Push is irreplaceable on the draw.
I think it's all about the elves. On the play, you play land first, and if your opponent cast elves, you can stomp that elves in your turn with 2 lands. But on the draw, your opponent can cast elves in turn 1 and cast Troll or Kiora in turn 2 and Bonecrusher Giant is just not good.
Thank you for this. I'm not very good at Magic and lately I've been really burned out because it feels like there's no resources available for me to improve at all other than just playing and trying to figure it out myself (which I'm evidently not good at). This makes me excited to go and jam some games in right now.
That was really good, thanks. I try to make Enigmatic matchup a little bit better as we have more and more of then here. Do you think early Cleansing Wildfire can help there?
Question! I noticed no Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the list over a basic swamp. Is this because you didnt want to mana fix the opponent? Or is the value on having the mountains/den/sulferous not as beneficial to be psuedo duals in a pinch?
seems like a good deck, but would definitely like to see some different cards in it. I know I run this in explorer.... there is a slight difference, but I have noticed my version is a bit grindier. Decklist is there so make of it what you will. 4 Thoughtseize (AKR) 127 4 Bonecrusher Giant (ELD) 115 2 Swamp (UST) 214 3 Mountain (UST) 215 4 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker (NEO) 141 4 Liliana, the Last Hope (SIR) 119 4 Fatal Push (KLR) 84 4 Go for the Throat (BRO) 102 4 Chandra, Torch of Defiance (KLR) 117 2 Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger (THB) 221 4 Sheoldred, the Apocalypse (DMU) 107 1 Takenuma, Abandoned Mire (NEO) 278 4 Blood Crypt (RNA) 245 4 Blightstep Pathway (KHM) 252 4 Blackcleave Cliffs (ONE) 248 4 Sulfurous Springs (DMU) 256 4 Bloodthirsty Adversary (MID) 129
Hi Mengu, can you clarify the SB plan for Control? Javier said that he boards in 2 Go blank, 2 Bankbuster, 1 Duress, 2 Needle, 1 Skysovereign (8 Cards), And he boards out 4 Pushes, 3 PWK, 2 Trespassers and Hearse (10 cards).
Additionally, it’s also clocks them very quickly. It’s quite easy to trade resources in early and turn the game into a topdeck war (particular postboard when you have better-suited answers). When that happens and you get to spend all your mana pumping the shadow, you get to end the game before they topdeck payoff cards.
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22:30 Mirror:
(-1 TS -2 Shadow OR -2 TS) -Duress -Hearse
+Abrade/K Command +2 Bankbusters +Sky Sovereign
23:37 Greasefang:
-Duress -Bankbuster -1 Kroxa -Dreadbore -Bonecrusher
+2 Rending Volley +Abrade/K Command (for bonecrusher/on the play)
28:43 Mono Green:
-2 Vehicles -2 Trespassers -2/4 Bonecrusher
+2 Go Blanks +2Needle +3 Extinction +Duress
31:24 Control:
-4 Push -3 PWK -2 Trespasser -Hearse
+Duress +2 Bankbuster +2 Go Blank +Sky Sovereign +2 Needles +Extinction (maybe)
36:45 Lotus:
-4 Push -2 Trespasser -2 Dreadbore -Hearse
+3 Go Blanks +Duress +2 Bankbuster +2 Needle +K Command
40:56 Gruul:
-4 Harvester -2 Trespasser -2 Dreadbore -Hearse
+2 Needle +Duress +2 Bankbuster +1 Sky Sovereign +1 Extinction/1 Go Blank + Abrade/K Command
43:20 Phoneix:
+3 Go Blanks +Duress +2 Bankbuster +Volley
-2 Dreadbore -4 Bonecrusher -PWK
As someone who has just started getting into Pioneer competitively and learning the key decks of the format, this guide is incredible. Thank you so much. Looking forward to more guides like this!
More guides please. This was very helpful, considering my upcoming local qualifier. Thank you Karnies
Espectacular el video y las explicaciones, un gran trabajo, espero que os animéis a seguir haciendo estos contenidos.
Muchísimas gracias por estos esfuerzos!
Cool video! I hope you countinue with this series, really helpfull even if you don't expect to play deck and just playing against it
Fantastic job explaining matchups. Thank you.
Fantastic content, more of this please!
Absolut amazing guide! Love this kind of content!!!
Thanks for this guide, it helps me understand this deck better. Pioneer is the main format in my region, hope to see more pioneer videos in your channel(where I think more professional videos are). : )
More a masterclass than just a video. Thank you so much for your work 🎉
Thank you for this! your knowledge and Guidance is very Key and i think you evaluate this Format well!
Excelente contenido continua vigente no deberian tener miedo de crear el contenido en lenguas hispanas o latina felicidades a los karnies y para esta hora y este momento felicidades a javier por el top8
At 29:07, can you clarify what Javier was saying are the cuts vs Mono Green? He’s saying always bring in 2 Go Blank, 3 Extinction Event, 2 Pithing Needle, and 1 Duress. Then for cuts: always cut the 2 vehicles, 2 Graveyard Trespasser, 2 Bonecrusher Giant and for the last 2 cards it’s (2 more Bonecrusher Giant on the draw and 2 Fatal Push on the play)? Javier wasn’t completely explicit about the last two cuts on the play but did spend some time talking about how Bonecrsuher and Fatal Push are interchangeable on the play but how Fatal Push is irreplaceable on the draw.
Yeah this was confusing to me too, unclear what his SB plan is there
I think it's all about the elves. On the play, you play land first, and if your opponent cast elves, you can stomp that elves in your turn with 2 lands. But on the draw, your opponent can cast elves in turn 1 and cast Troll or Kiora in turn 2 and Bonecrusher Giant is just not good.
This is fantastic content. I subscribed to the Patreon!
Thanks :)
Love the video, thank you so much❤
Incredible video, thank you!
Thanks for the guide, that was really insightful! I would have liked if you added which cards you usually name with pithing needle :)
Karn and thespian stage usually
Thank you for this. I'm not very good at Magic and lately I've been really burned out because it feels like there's no resources available for me to improve at all other than just playing and trying to figure it out myself (which I'm evidently not good at). This makes me excited to go and jam some games in right now.
That was really good, thanks. I try to make Enigmatic matchup a little bit better as we have more and more of then here.
Do you think early Cleansing Wildfire can help there?
Feed the Swarm and Extract the Truths are the cards you can have there.
Javier eres un Maestro!
Question! I noticed no Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the list over a basic swamp. Is this because you didnt want to mana fix the opponent? Or is the value on having the mountains/den/sulferous not as beneficial to be psuedo duals in a pinch?
Do you have a link to your sideboard guide?
Thank You!
seems like a good deck, but would definitely like to see some different cards in it. I know I run this in explorer.... there is a slight difference, but I have noticed my version is a bit grindier. Decklist is there so make of it what you will.
4 Thoughtseize (AKR) 127
4 Bonecrusher Giant (ELD) 115
2 Swamp (UST) 214
3 Mountain (UST) 215
4 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker (NEO) 141
4 Liliana, the Last Hope (SIR) 119
4 Fatal Push (KLR) 84
4 Go for the Throat (BRO) 102
4 Chandra, Torch of Defiance (KLR) 117
2 Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger (THB) 221
4 Sheoldred, the Apocalypse (DMU) 107
1 Takenuma, Abandoned Mire (NEO) 278
4 Blood Crypt (RNA) 245
4 Blightstep Pathway (KHM) 252
4 Blackcleave Cliffs (ONE) 248
4 Sulfurous Springs (DMU) 256
4 Bloodthirsty Adversary (MID) 129
Hi Mengu, can you clarify the SB plan for Control? Javier said that he boards in 2 Go blank, 2 Bankbuster, 1 Duress, 2 Needle, 1 Skysovereign (8 Cards),
And he boards out 4 Pushes, 3 PWK, 2 Trespassers and Hearse (10 cards).
You have to pick which answers you want to have depending on what you see. PUsh extinction event etc.
Why is misery shadow good vs. Mono G?
Exiles troll and cavalier and their dies effect don t work
Additionally, it’s also clocks them very quickly. It’s quite easy to trade resources in early and turn the game into a topdeck war (particular postboard when you have better-suited answers). When that happens and you get to spend all your mana pumping the shadow, you get to end the game before they topdeck payoff cards.
rule of thumb for MTG: just play the most expensive cards
That doesn't say a whole lot when almost all good decks are 500 bucks XD
Play Pauper, it's great!