@@4Everlast You never sneaked out of your house to do something your parents wouldn't approve of at that age? Sure, lets blame her parents, you absolute fucking weirdo
'Rich celebrity who was outspoken about respecting wamen turning out to be guilty of sexual misconduct' is the modern version of the 80s classic 'Anti-gay fundamentalist found with rentboy and a load of drugs'. The only difference is that the rentboys were above the age of consent.
Exactly. And these guys are always so dreadfully bad talking to women. Yeah, all that "toxic" stuff they white knigh against is exactly what gets them turned on. I may be "toxic" or "problematic" but I've never made a girl feel creeped out. Either she liked me or she didn't, no skin off my sack.
plenty of times they were not above age, or they were once caught, but its clear the relationship is not a new one, if you get my drift. Hell, Gaetz went as far as to adopt his underage rent boy! (not necessarily serious with that last bit, but yes on the other stuff) PS - It is not safe to be hooking up with random rent boys - you need one or a few you can trust. If someone is caught with one that is college aged, there is a strong chance that relationship started when the boy was younger than college aged.
@@LembeckIsStaying Why would you be toxic or problematic? You know, you can still be a "creep" even if you cannot find any girls to claim you made them feel that way. Your post is weirdly defensive - did a blue hair girl call you sexist and you got all triggered?
Spot on. The more woke people are...the less I trust them. How about Canada's golden boy: Justin Trudeau? Then he got caught in black/brown face and then said he wasn't sure how many more pics would be uncovered. It was like 4 separate incidents.
She was FLYING to these parties every week or two from OUT OF STATE. Imagine a child telling her parents “I need to be in Manhattan this Friday for a party” and her parents just saying “Yep, sounds legit. Say hi to Horacio for me!”
Yep. I'm trying to figure out how in the fuck this goes on, and no one thinks that this is off. That girl should never have been going SNL by herself. I'm assuming her parents were doing a really shitty job of parenting.
@@Caffeine_Club mom's were bringing their kids to Neverland ranch & people were leaving their kids with R Kelly too. Edit: I mean to say it's because fame/power means they must be trustworthy or competent
Fact is that there are a lot of people who have never bought into the idea that teenagers should not be doing anything sexual. Historically a woman her age would have already been married with two children, so biology is on their side. They just know that in the modern world that there's nothing to be gained by pointing out the obvious, so you don't hear much from them. So I'm not really surprised at this.
If anyone remembers the ep where Lindsay Lohan hosted, the opening joke was about her just turning 18, and had a few cast members come out and 'creep on her' Looking back on that now.... damn, so it wasn't a joke.
I remember there being an online countdown back in the day for when the Olsen's twins turn 18yo. And it was a lol thing. Not like woe that's fucking disturbing
@@killerwillies575 yeah, it's only until now even older men dating barely legal girls is unacceptable. Simply look up how many old rockstars dated underage girls. Ted Nugent was infamous for it.
@@AT-5000_Autodialer my go too is Jerry Seinfeld dude was the star of biggest show at the time in 93 and was dating a 17 year old in his late 30s. Or how Roman Polanski won best picture after he left the country for raping a minor.
there's nothing to give me any faith that even if this does go to a jury trial that the situation will properly be investigated and the people truly responsible will be punished
Well in fairness if you wish to have faith in the legal system then maybe you should remember one of its basic rules "Innocent until proven guilty!" So far these are only allegations but you seem annoyed that the accused haven't been found guilty and punished already. That is due process, do you believe in the legal process or not? Btw I have no problem believing that her allegations are based in fact, but these things need to be investigated before we start calling for people's heads.
@@tomasotreasaigh111 Right. And a settlement would shut down this investigation. You can't settle a murder case, you shouldn't be able to settle sexual assault.
@@SomePotato I totally agree, but anyone can make allegations and the legal process should be observed. Have YOU ever had anyone accuse you of something that wasn't true? Wouldn't you like to have a chance to explain yourself? Ps I don't really like Jimmy Fallon, he does deserve due process though, no matter how I feel about him.
@@tomasotreasaigh111 And what you said segways rather nicely into the phenomenon of "trial by media" (which has existed for decades thanks to us enjoying freedom of the press) has in the past decade evolved into "trial by social media"... I'll not mention "Cancel Culture" as that can of worms is overflowing... Fallon, and many other individuals may exist in the collective public consciousness as obnoxious, even down right reprehensible, but irrespective of any allegation, hearsay or Twitterati storm, the only place a man or woman can be found guilty of said allegation is in a court of law by a jury of his/her peers, or in exceptional circumstances by a judge alone. Going waaaay back to 1215 the Magna Carta states "All free men have the right to justice and a fair trial with a jury".
"Help, I've just escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement" -Stewie Family Guy has said a lot of things that you only understand after the truth gets out. I wouldn't be surprised if this was another one
@Top Lobster Macfarlane has always given me the impression he's being very virtuous for the wrong reasons. Never trust anyone who says all the right things. They're over compensating for something else
People always look at me weird when I tell them how much I can't bear that guy. They say, "What about his lip-sync battles?" and I say, "You can't see that he's totally fake?"
Good for you. I also instinctively disliked Sanz for decades but after I saw his many Comedy Bang Bang appearances I grew to like him a lot. Now I think my instinct may have been correct.
When I first heard about this I thought, ok I remember the name Horatio Sanz, but cant think of who it is. Then I saw a photo and thought, ok I remember that face but I still cant think of anything memorable that he did. Cant remember one joke, one character, anything. Now I have something to remember him by, I guess.
Women don’t even own their own bodies in half the country , so I doubt it. Police often cover up evidence of rape and don’t even send in the rape kits for testing half the time. In Alabama, they want to legalize rape and arrest women for simply coming forward if there’s not enough evidence. America hates women.
I'm going to guess that marble chomper comes from Hungry Hungry Hippos, and that Sanz is trying to call himself a hippo. He used to use his weight in his comedy, so it makes sense to me that he would keep that theme with his screen name.
I assumed it was a clever reference to Demosthenes and overcoming speech impediments to become a successful orator. But your guess is undoubtedly more plausible.
Thank you for covering this in a solemn, serious way. This news came out two weeks ago and yours is the only video I’ve seen that handles it in a mature way that respects the victim. But also really funny when you began to say the complete web address.
@@burnbabylonburn78 she got greedy when she got older. Plus the culture today is much different and grooming underage women for sexual abuse is no longer business as usual.
Thank you for a. doing these videos on stories I otherwise wouldn't have heard of about awful goings-on, b. dealing with them with all of the available facts and c. getting angry exactly where any reasonable human being would get angry. It genuinely makes these videos so much more palatable to know that even the guy making them is as disgusted as I am. Thank you Georg
Seth McFarlane may have outed this, the skit seemed odd at the time, for Family Guy. I've always seen it as some form of truth telling. It's Season 4 Episode 4, where Jimmy Fallon "uses" Meg for an SNL Skit.
I think he’s done that with other things too. I feel like he’s one of the people who also publicly called Weinstein out for what he was and people just laughed because it was in the context of humor. NBC is the Animal House of the television industry
@@hirograveyard8236 Really, the television industry is the Animal House of the television industry. It’s sad. When I was young, it was my dream, to live in that world. I’m sooooooo glad that Life helped me to dodge that bullet. Sometimes, I think one’s dreams get crushed so that one’s soul will not.
That's also where Stewie runs around naked in the mall yelling "help, I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement" Peter also beats up Fallon for fucking Meg
You mean an industry full of thin skinned, narcissistic individuals working in a deeply shallow line of work where there are millions of dollars floating around might be sus? Nah, I don't see it
It seems nothing but a swamp of filth...but i honestly ask myself how people behave so "shocked" as more and more shows on the surface and everyone knows and talks about (for decades) that this seems totally common in the model business. Will that ever be dealt with?
Schmidt’s reporting is amazing. I never heard of this (very recent) lawsuit because it’s seemingly not garnering much attention. Thanks Schmidt for bringing it, however, to my attention.
They say “Never meet your heroes” Interesting is biographies been written in three versions: autobiography by author, by historian or fan and third by enemy of the author.
I used to think "don't meet your heroes" just meant you'll be disappointed that they're flawed people like everyone else. Now I it seems like you shouldn't meet your heroes because they might be sociopaths who leverage their fame to get away with pedophilia and/or sexual assualt.
Georg, you're a very sincere and incredible content creator. Thank you for shedding more light on this issue. Also, thank you for all your content, I love your channel.
This complaint crystalizes everything I dislike about Jimmy Fallon. His friend openly flirts with an underage girl, and he does nothing. John Oliver comedically points out Amazon's abuse, and he silences him. Trump says he wants to ban all Muslims entering the country, and he ruffles his hair. All cases show the same pattern of behavior. Jimmy doesn't have a spine, and cares more about people liking him than standing up for anything.
Yes, I have had a conversation with a coworker about talk shows and inevitably ended in discussing mutual dislike of Fallon. It's not one thing, it's what every action he does implies. No backbone at all.
The moment the plaintiff disclosed she was "a junior in high school," the conversations and contact should have ended there. "Later at the party" should have never happened. I don't like Fallon in the least, and could take or leave Sanz, though I'm unsure about what "Talent" SNL casting agents saw in either of them, let alone the vast majority of cast members since 2002. Either way, I enjoy the analysis by Georg Rockall-Schmidt far more than I've enjoyed SNL since Phil Hartman was killed.
I wanna know who the fuck was that called Sanz out but then did literally nothing to stop things from continuing. That's almost as disgusting to me as being the actual culprit.
But unless I missed something, and you are certainly welcome to tell me so, Fallon was not involved in this nor did he sexually assault or abuse anyone. Was he one of the ones present? I feel this is sort of manipulative including his name here while no info is disseminated about his involvement or lack thereof. If there is a link to other situations where he was involved, please tell me!
@@jbjacobs9514 Um, did you miss the part where Fallon gave her beer and casually asked her what her plans after high school were? The whole "the table went very quiet when the plaintiff disclosed she was a junior in high school" bit? There are other occasions where she is harassed and Fallon was present. Georg's question is "why did all of you stand there ignoring or even encouraging this?", which one can certainly apply to Fallon.
Am I alone in wondering why her parents were ok with her going to the parties, the tapings etc? It's a parent's job to protect your children from this type of thing. None of this is the girl's fault, not one thing is her fault, but I'm gobsmacked at how her folks must have been ok with her flying out to New York on her own, or if they accompanied her, let her attend parties on her own. What parent would be absolutely cool with their 15yr old child being put in harm's way like this? Maybe I'm missing something
%100 agree, the parents should also be accounted for this problem. The child should've been taken away by Child Services and Fallon should've went to jail but he is famous and rich so oh and in California so he is safe.
I think he just wanted to make the "half the audience of MadTV line" Plus,it was just a funny absurd joke about the live from New York its Saturday night skits
Anyone can say 'if this was happening why did she continue' -- but that doesn't matter as she was a minor. Minor's can't consent (or even sign binding NDAs). Horatio may believe he's a 'different person' but the 'new person' will be the one going to jail.
He may very well BE a different person. But if he's a BETTER person, he'll accept punishment for what he did. I've seen a lot of people cancelled, and the ones who actually DID grow as people are the ones who own it, including the consequences.
get the fuck outta here with that dinosaur era way of thinking. she knew EXACTLY what she was doing and never cut it off with him....shes no victim. stop acting like 15-16 year olds dont know what the world is about and are far more informed than any other generation ever. so for you its juts a matter of law and not morales. ok. change the law and now its ok according to you? seriously, wtf??? reverse the genders and the kid would be a hero. wake up.
I mean, you're just factually wrong in a ton of ways, OP. Lots of states have an age of consent at 16 (and in many other countries, it's even lower at 15 or even 14 or you can be in Japan where it's absurdly disturbingly low at 13). In New York it's 17. Quite literally, a minor in any of these state with a lower age of consent than 18 (when federally, a person is no longer a minor) can consent. That's why it's the age of consent. Not saying that what's going on here isn't fucked up and horrendous. It is. But different states have different laws on this. Which is probably why at that party they were so surprised when she said she was a junior, not a senior like they assumed. If Sans had been dating a 17 year old it would still be super gross and repugnant, but it'd be legal. This whole kind of thing had come up only a few years prior to the early 2000s for NBC, when Jerry Seinfeld started dating a high school girl in the late 1990s. At the time, it was incredibly incredibly scandalous in the tabloid media that covered it, but everyone at NBC was basically like "he makes this network millions of dollars every year and it's technically legal so we won't make a fuss."
@@mysticx0 the only people who think 15yr olds are not easily manipulated, clueless, and insecure are other 15yr olds and people who want to excuse predators.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe i would bet money that you're a teenager yourself because the only people who think that way about kids are people who haven't grown out of their childhood yet. Maybe I shouldn't tell you this, but the fact that you can recite all this bullshit about age of consent laws off the dome, is something most people would find to be a huge red flag.
I'm not surprised that this happened, the Saturday Night Live set has always been a prime place for this kind of thing. Perhaps most surprising is that anyone thought that any of these people were worth protecting when the show has been far from the powerhouse it once was.
@@demarcdegasol I just said I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not assuming anything I've just heard stories about how the set was. Even from the start it was well known for booze and coke and wild parties and it's unlikely it's gotten any better. However, I'm not assuming anything, it could just be she's lying and hoping the rep would sell the idea. At this point, it could go either way.
if you know anything about theatre groups, its a highly sexually charged atmosphere. most of the actors end up hooking up with one another. its quite normal actually
The SNL skit of Hermione ‘Growth Spurt’ (Harry Potter) is pretty revealing, Lindsay Logan was only 17 at the time. Update for all you ‘fact checkers’ out there: The skit aired 1st-May-2004 Lohan was born 2nd-July-1986 She was 18 on 2nd-July-2004 So she was 17 at the time it aired. Got that?
*"If you want to metoo me you can but I'm a different person now."* Right so people who have been abused need permission from their abusers to come forward? I don't think so. Naturally the creep denies what he did to her too. That's not really letting her come forward about the abuse.
You seem quite judgemental over somebody who is trying to apologize, and make amends. And whose apology is being used against him. U must have a sparkling clean record to be preaching like that, friend 👌
This was the Internet of the very early days. They probably thought it was for school, job or going out with friends since it was the weekend. Also, if the plaintiff was from the tri-state region (so think Pennsylvania or New Jersey) they theoretically could've made it to NYC and made it back in little time.
How did a junior of highschool go to so many hollywood parties full of rich untouchable people and not being talked to by an adult? Its like a walking time bomb
Well, if they were anything like my mother, they probably didn’t care. I grew up basically on my own, with no structure or guidance. My mother worked a lot (she was a nurse) and if she wasn’t in bed with a migraine, then she was out partying with friends. I had no limitations and I did whatever I wanted, I drank, smoked pot, went to bars (I had a fake ID) and stayed out all night but hey, it was the 1980’s and we all thought we were going to die in a nuclear war lol. It all worked out in the end, I joined the army and we haven’t died in a nuclear war….yet. Btw, my mother is a much better grandmother than she ever was a mother and I made myself a promise to be a better mother to my children than she was. I think I succeeded.
Somehow i completely missed this Story, which is weird, usually such stories are even covered regionally all the way here in the Bavarian Alps. That said, is anyone surprised at all? This isn't the first time NBC (along with many other US Channels) had such Scandals. There is a Reason why the "Stereotype" of American Media, whether Hollywood or outside of Hollywood had this "Stereotype" of grooming, sexual blackmailing and more since it's Inception. Hell, as a Historian i found such Reports all the way back in the early 1920s in French, German, British and of course American Newspapers. Hollywood and Media in general have this Image since forever and it's well deserved Prost & Cheers from the Bavarian Alps
You´re not the only one who completely missed this. FAZ, Zeit, Spiegel and Sueddeutsche didn´t report on this, not that i´m aware of at least. It´s just a guess but i assume our tv stations didn´t report on this either. Makes you think, doesn´t it?
This is not even true. It's more coincidence that these shows are past their prime. The fact is that society is more open to taking allegations like these seriously than it was before. Of course people are going to speak out now.
At first, I was confused how this could take down a network. All the networks have survived stuff like this. Then you got to the part where Lorne met this girl, and then I understood.
Somehow I hadn't heard about this. I was on vacation in Wyoming, far away from the internet. This is truly shocking. You did a masterful job of presenting.
i was hoping this was a spot of fun..... i'm sad every time i hear these allegations and we know where there's so much smoke, there's a fucking forest fire
Hey, Georg. I know this might sound weird to say, but great video. I really appreciate your work on stories like this as you drag the twitching vampiric corpse of corporate sexual harassment into the light of the sun. Question: have you been following the ongoing cases of sexual harassment in the gaming industry? Blizzard Entertainment is the latest to get its moment in the light, but it has been happening with other companies, too. (Of course; as if its a rare occurrence.) Bethesda had its moment not very long ago. As per usual, the main offenders got shuffled around/different titles while the obligatory, lower ranked sacrificial lamb or two was thrown onto the chopping block. The Blizzard fiasco is a real shit show. If you haven't seen it already, it might be worth a look. It's got some ludicrously awful elements/responses from the company in it. On the other hand, I can imagine that researching these kinds of stories might be exhausting/depressing, so I would understand if taking on yet another one would be difficult. At any rate, please take care and thanks again for the work you do. 😎
if she was lying she'd make up a far more sensationalist story. seriously almost every girl has been- in highschool, at some party, with some adult man trying to get his hands on us. even without the EXTREMELY damning text messages this is so believable it borders on (unfortunately) mundane. and that's exactly why this behavior has to be prosecuted- it shouldn't be so normal
This is so, so true. All the girls I went to high school with have experiences like this, because we all went through it together. Me and many of my friends dated guys in their 20s in high school and went to parties with adults present, it should not be so normal, but it is
No kidding. The way I remember it, he ruined almost every skit he was in because he constantly broke character and started giggling. Fallon was the same way. Two of the weakest cast members ever on SNL, IMO.
@@fauxhound5061 "Sanz" sounds like "sand" "Like sand through an hourglass, these are Days of Our Lives" is the intro of an old long running soap opera called, well, Days of Our Lives.
6:26 - Maybe it stems from your not being familiar with average ages/grades in American high school ("juniors" and "seniors" are usually 16 and 17 respectively and while 18 is the age of legal adulthood, 16 is usually the age of "consent") ...but the hush that fell over the table would have been from the disclosure that she was a _junior*_ (in high school), not just that she was in high school. That they knew her SATs were upcoming and asked her what she _wanted_ to study in college implies the group only thought she was one year older (or two at most) than she actually was. edit: Now that I've finished the video/seen your last line delivery it seems clear that you DO understand. Sry if I came off as condescending...
Would love to see you cover similar cases like this, mainly the activision blizzard lawsuit comes to mind, especially with just how insane activision blizzards actions have been during the suit
Change is needed. Big companies need to stop with this '80s-style "here's money to make this go away so we can keep our 'integrity'" schtick. Those companies need to cut out the cancer, all the way to the top. Abuse of power needs to be eliminated.
They can't. They hide behind laws that require corporations to make profits for their owners, and there's more profit in silencing victims than in endangering their brand. "Owners' profits above all else" is the foundation of capitalism, and as long as it prevails there will be no accountability. Besides, sexual abuse of minors is just the sort of forbidden fruit that the rich like to enjoy in order to make themselves feel above the rest of us, so they have no incentive to give it up as long as they are in power. Want to actually stop this abuse from happening? Join a revolutionary organization. For real.
Abuse of power is usually how companies get big, and if by some miracle it's not, it's definitely how they stay big. Never trust a company that's existed longer than its founders. If every corporation were automatically dissolved and unspent funds dispersed evenly to all employees when its founding members died, you'd see a freer market and less abuse all around.
She pursued HIM. And these days 16 is no child! If she didn’t like it she shouldn’t have kept seeing him. That’s not victim blaming. Still the guys were dolts, didn’t they ever hear the old saying “Sixteen will hey you 20”?
@@nhmooytis7058 But the law will say she's 16, and that is that. They will not care one iota about how "grown" she was. He's going to jail regardless. And even if she was old acting or even manipulative, he was still twice her age, so he probably had the upper hand as far as manipulation goes. Plus, he should have known better and been strong enough to say, "No! You're a kid! I will give you an autograph, but that is it. Go home!"
@@maximusprime3459 age of consent should be 14, to keep up with teen culture now. Anything below, harsh sentences. Anything above if consensual, personal business, unless involving positions of trust like teacher/student and doctor/patient.
"Mind your own business, don't judge others, who am I to tell anyone how to live their life?" is inherently at odds with "See something, say something."
@@Aster_Risk They took responsibility for the creation of the modern world, i.e. the everyday accommodations that allow us to be the most free and wealthy society since its inception and beyond for the foreseeable future. Feminism is the direct result of that, because no one would dare to even think about such banalities during an age of war.
Not especially. Anybody who pretends you can't oppose sexual abuse without being an asshole is looking for an excuse to engage in one or the other. It is possible to let consenting adults live their lives in peace without turning a blind eye to the abuse of people who aren't consenting or aren't adults.
Imagine trying to pull the "I'm a different person now" shit with other crimes involving someone's physical well-being. Like murder, domestic violence or bombing a place with people in it. That shit wouldn't and shouldn't fly
Legally speaking, yeah, for murder, terrorism, and sexual assault of minors there's generally no statute of limitations, but for domestic violence and many other things, including sexual assault of an adult there is legally a statute of limitations generally. I think there should definitely be some form of proof of the charges, but I don't think there should be a statute, or if so, it should be like 20 years or something. Sanz and some of the NBC/SNL affiliates should be jailed, fired, cancelled, etc. Morally speaking "I'm a different person now", I believe should be taken into consideration as a matter of public opinion, but not legally speaking. If I'm not mistaken, over the course of 7 years, nearly every cell in the body gets replaced, barring some exceptions. A ship whos planks have all been replaced is no longer the same ship. People need an opportunity to become different people, better people. Cancel culture has destroyed the idea of forgiveness. Prison is meant to be about *containment/quarantine if you're a present danger to the public, but also *rehabilitation to take someone who did a bad thing and make them learn a lesson. Of course they aren't required to learn their lesson, but they should have their rights restored after their term of imprisonment and probation are over. The stain of the past should be absolved until proven otherwise.
@@austincde I think what's really filling up the prisons are more victimless acts like property crime and drug possession. We should definitely rehibilitate perpetrators of direct violence for both the sake of the perpetrator and victim
Given that there is a similar lawsuit against an ex Fox News employee right now (isn't the first for that company nither) I suppose I shouldn't be suprised. Considering whats happening in the gaming industy right now with Activision/Blizzard, Ubisoft and Riot Games, these issues are disturbingly widespread and exposes a pervasive and systemic problem that desperately needs to be addressed.
I personally suspect that in every single industry, there are terrible people who need to be brought to heel. The idea that you can just treat people like shit and that when you're successful, you can take advantage of lower people. Which then that means that basic rules of decorum and ethics don't apply is common now, and in the past it was 100% the norm. My own states primary industry (mining) is currently dealing with a huge rash of rape and sexual harassment cases. Stuff that was just "how thing are" back then, when in reality, you're probably ruining someone else's life or career.
@@dubuyajay9964 No, this is what happens when people get enough power to not be held accountable for their actions by the people around them. The Catholic church, other faith based boarding schools, psychiatric hospitals, political sex scandals, Hollywood, sexual abuse in the military, even in humanitarian organisations. Unfortunately it turns out it's a global problem throughout all of society.
@@mitchh3092 I agree, corporations will generally obfuscate as much relevant information as possible and delay legal action. Waiting for the media cycle to move on and then continue as they always have making no meaningful changes. We also have to be careful not to focus only on the perpitrators implicated but also on the systems and enviroment that allowed this to happen in the first place. For example the hostile and toxic work culture and enviroment at Activision/Blizzard was no accident or mistake. Unfortunatly simply firing and prosecuting the perpetrators won't stop others from doing the same although it would act as a deterant and demonstrate that they are not invaluable.
Good coverage and delivery here. It's really simple, leave children alone! I hope justice prevails over Money,Jane Doe needs to go public though, it's more difficult to support a faceless victim with accusations than a real person with a provable experience.
This is wild. I remember the fan site she ran as I was around the plaintiff's age at the time and stupid enough to be a Fallon fan. Without going into details, I shudder to think what would've happened had the universe not intervened back then in a potential interaction between high school me and one of the SNL cast members. Who knew. None of us at that age were thinking these celebs could be predators. I was extremely sheltered and naive at that age. Thanks for releasing this video, I remember this time period well and this covers the lawsuit details well.
yes, but where were the parents, would your parents let you fly to NYC by yourself and go to a show taping and an after party with complete strangers at that age? sorry where were the parents in all these flights and all these parties? yes if its proven then let them all get put in prison, but you cant just write off the parents who were her and the others legal guardians, a child cant fly by themselves without an escort or a arrangement from the parents especially not back then, i was born and raised in the 80's and no 14 or 15th year old was allowed to fly by themselves till they were 18 years old, how did she make so many trips to new york? and if the parents were there, why weren't they with their child and looking out for her?
@@wwozanewmusical @wwozanewmusical for sure, I understand what you are saying and I don't think people are writing off the parents. My parents would never have allowed me to do that either. And that's the exact reason something similar didn't happen to me in the event I mentioned back in 2002 - with one of the cast members. Unfortunately not everyone is lucky enough to have good parents, sober parents, or even both parents. Hell, some parents sell their children into sex slavery because they value money over their own family. However, just because she didn't have good parents, or whatever her circumstances were because we don't know the full situation, it still doesn't absolve grown men from sexually taking advantage of and grooming a young girl. This seems to be the case of too many people not caring - both her guardians and the SNL cast members apparently. At her age I probably would have done the same thing if allowed to because I was naive and didn't understand how the world worked.
@@wwozanewmusical also just wanted to add. You can fly alone at that age. You can even buy a ticket if you have access to a credit card. She could have also taken the train. There is no US federal law against someone of her age traveling alone. I flew alone at that age quite often.
There seems to almost never be any adults in any corporate rooms nowadays (or maybe ever). You see what happened with Blizzard/Activision employees (they brought women to what they called the "Cosby Suite" and sexual assault claims were filed) and you realize that these companies are run by frat boy man babies (and sometimes woman babies as well) whom are either doing the harrassing/assaulting or they don't blow the whistle or stop these activities from happening when they see them. Its horrendous.
@@juliannah5721 I'll bet she's not going to say anything. She doesn't have a movie or show coming out either. But I noticed those NBC Comedy people have a weird little cult, I assume a sociologist can make make some compelling comparisons. And I read Tina's book on improv (I borrowed it from a friend) and believe me, she does think she is God's gift to men, television, cinema, and family.
@@BlazingOwnager I agree. But during those SNL parties I bet she was in the other corner of the room with all the female cast members harassing the male staff pinching their butts and stuff.
Judge: "you are accused of sexually assaulting a minor"
Jimmy: *slams the table and laughs histerically*
😂 ... Tru
I got a fever in my heart....
And it needs more -cowbell- Criminal complaints of sexual harassment and aggression!
15 years old allowed to go to a drug and alcohol fueled party?? She might wanna sue per parents.
Dino S. Dominic NBC and all these people must be punished severely, but let's not ignore the fact that she was 15 and has a brain.
@@4Everlast You never sneaked out of your house to do something your parents wouldn't approve of at that age? Sure, lets blame her parents, you absolute fucking weirdo
'Rich celebrity who was outspoken about respecting wamen turning out to be guilty of sexual misconduct' is the modern version of the 80s classic 'Anti-gay fundamentalist found with rentboy and a load of drugs'. The only difference is that the rentboys were above the age of consent.
Exactly. And these guys are always so dreadfully bad talking to women.
Yeah, all that "toxic" stuff they white knigh against is exactly what gets them turned on.
I may be "toxic" or "problematic" but I've never made a girl feel creeped out. Either she liked me or she didn't, no skin off my sack.
plenty of times they were not above age, or they were once caught, but its clear the relationship is not a new one, if you get my drift. Hell, Gaetz went as far as to adopt his underage rent boy! (not necessarily serious with that last bit, but yes on the other stuff)
PS - It is not safe to be hooking up with random rent boys - you need one or a few you can trust. If someone is caught with one that is college aged, there is a strong chance that relationship started when the boy was younger than college aged.
@@LembeckIsStaying Why would you be toxic or problematic? You know, you can still be a "creep" even if you cannot find any girls to claim you made them feel that way.
Your post is weirdly defensive - did a blue hair girl call you sexist and you got all triggered?
Spot on.
The more woke people are...the less I trust them. How about Canada's golden boy: Justin Trudeau? Then he got caught in black/brown face and then said he wasn't sure how many more pics would be uncovered. It was like 4 separate incidents.
Well, in some cases above the age of consent
Apparently Chris Hansen should have hosted SNL during all this.
take a seat, right here
🤣😂
You may want to look a little deeper into Chris Hansen before using him as an example of a "good guy".
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 I'm pretty sure we're well aware that Chris Hansen isn't perfect. It's a meme just enjoy it for what it is.
@@XxRaceRCxX isn't perfect is an understatement
Sad that I trust a film buff's journalistic integrity more than any news site.
There are great news sources out there. Even mainstream outlets release interesting stuff.
@@m3gAnac0nda Yeah, Alex Jones just tells it like it is, man.
@@HOTD108_ indeed he does. Keep dem' frogs pure !
What are time we live in
@@halrun209plays5 3:00 pm
Edit: sorry, it’s 3:01 pm now
She was FLYING to these parties every week or two from OUT OF STATE. Imagine a child telling her parents “I need to be in Manhattan this Friday for a party” and her parents just saying “Yep, sounds legit. Say hi to Horacio for me!”
Right its like she and her family made themselves the bait
That’s what I was trying to wrap my head around. A time to TRULY say WTF.
Yep. I'm trying to figure out how in the fuck this goes on, and no one thinks that this is off. That girl should never have been going SNL by herself. I'm assuming her parents were doing a really shitty job of parenting.
@@Caffeine_Club mom's were bringing their kids to Neverland ranch & people were leaving their kids with R Kelly too. Edit: I mean to say it's because fame/power means they must be trustworthy or competent
Fact is that there are a lot of people who have never bought into the idea that teenagers should not be doing anything sexual. Historically a woman her age would have already been married with two children, so biology is on their side.
They just know that in the modern world that there's nothing to be gained by pointing out the obvious, so you don't hear much from them.
So I'm not really surprised at this.
If anyone remembers the ep where Lindsay Lohan hosted, the opening joke was about her just turning 18, and had a few cast members come out and 'creep on her' Looking back on that now.... damn, so it wasn't a joke.
I remember there being an online countdown back in the day for when the Olsen's twins turn 18yo. And it was a lol thing. Not like woe that's fucking disturbing
@@killerwillies575 Yeah, and that was everybody both celebrities and the whole damn internet. It was a different time.
@@AT-5000_Autodialer it's crazy this was the cultural norm.
@@killerwillies575 yeah, it's only until now even older men dating barely legal girls is unacceptable. Simply look up how many old rockstars dated underage girls. Ted Nugent was infamous for it.
@@AT-5000_Autodialer my go too is Jerry Seinfeld dude was the star of biggest show at the time in 93 and was dating a 17 year old in his late 30s. Or how Roman Polanski won best picture after he left the country for raping a minor.
there's nothing to give me any faith that even if this does go to a jury trial that the situation will properly be investigated and the people truly responsible will be punished
Welcome to the disgusting world we live in... Isn't It Wonderful!?
Well in fairness if you wish to have faith in the legal system then maybe you should remember one of its basic rules "Innocent until proven guilty!"
So far these are only allegations but you seem annoyed that the accused haven't been found guilty and punished already. That is due process, do you believe in the legal process or not?
Btw I have no problem believing that her allegations are based in fact, but these things need to be investigated before we start calling for people's heads.
@@tomasotreasaigh111 Right. And a settlement would shut down this investigation. You can't settle a murder case, you shouldn't be able to settle sexual assault.
@@SomePotato
I totally agree, but anyone can make allegations and the legal process should be observed. Have YOU ever had anyone accuse you of something that wasn't true? Wouldn't you like to have a chance to explain yourself? Ps I don't really like Jimmy Fallon, he does deserve due process though, no matter how I feel about him.
@@tomasotreasaigh111
And what you said segways rather nicely into the phenomenon of "trial by media" (which has existed for decades thanks to us enjoying freedom of the press) has in the past decade evolved into "trial by social media"... I'll not mention "Cancel Culture" as that can of worms is overflowing...
Fallon, and many other individuals may exist in the collective public consciousness as obnoxious, even down right reprehensible, but irrespective of any allegation, hearsay or Twitterati storm, the only place a man or woman can be found guilty of said allegation is in a court of law by a jury of his/her peers, or in exceptional circumstances by a judge alone.
Going waaaay back to 1215 the Magna Carta states "All free men have the right to justice and a fair trial with a jury".
The pause after “Marble Chomper” was classic 😂😂😂😂
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@janettebuckley4170 I think we all know exactly what it means, deep down.
I was thinking of Hungry, Hungry Hippos too 🦛
All the good names got snapped up fast back in the aol days. 🤣
Oh, thank god! I thought he said "Marvel Trumper"... and i was like ??????? ..and now I'm still like ?:0?:0whaaaaaaa?:0:0:0???
so that episode of Family Guy with Meg and Jimmy Fallon is based on some truth I'm guessing.
"Help, I've just escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement" -Stewie
Family Guy has said a lot of things that you only understand after the truth gets out. I wouldn't be surprised if this was another one
Seth McFarlane knows a lot of open secrets
@Top Lobster Macfarlane has always given me the impression he's being very virtuous for the wrong reasons. Never trust anyone who says all the right things. They're over compensating for something else
I was thinking the same thing
He’s prone to violence and anger…
I have no evidence…
I just say this to myself…
I have always despised Fallon. He is obviously not who he appears to be.
Agreed. You can always sense his disingenuity.
That's not true, he appears to be a douche.... and is one.
People always look at me weird when I tell them how much I can't bear that guy. They say, "What about his lip-sync battles?" and I say, "You can't see that he's totally fake?"
He's a phony grifter who pretends he's a good guy, but did blackface and is now also at minimum an enabler to sexual assault.
Plus: he is painfully unfunny…
No, those are forward slashes. Friends don't let friends use backslashes in URLs.
Journalistic integrity? Pah!
How can I trust someone who doesn't know the difference between forward and back slashes??
Friends don’t let friends using backslashes for anything else than escaping characters.
Don’t use inferior operating systems please.
I've never felt so justified in baselessly disliking someone before.
Good for you. I also instinctively disliked Sanz for decades but after I saw his many Comedy Bang Bang appearances I grew to like him a lot. Now I think my instinct may have been correct.
It wasn't baseless if they are obnoxious which they are.
_PILE ON! PILE ON!!_ \😫/
@Moose Itself: Would that "someone" be the Plaintiff or Defendant?
When I first heard about this I thought, ok I remember the name Horatio Sanz, but cant think of who it is. Then I saw a photo and thought, ok I remember that face but I still cant think of anything memorable that he did. Cant remember one joke, one character, anything. Now I have something to remember him by, I guess.
Imagine that. The entertainment business is sleazy. Who would’ve known?
I've heard politics might be pretty bad too
Religious organisations are fine though right guys?
@@davexmit You’ve never met a sleazy woman?
Sleazy human beings in any business or profession. Imagine that.
I never a trust dude whose name sounds like a font style.
😂 that’s the wisest things I have ever heard since that Lorem Ipsom fella advised me to invest in Theranos
I think “Fallon” could be a font name as well.
Poor Ernie Helvetica is gonna feel so misunderstood
yes……yes. 😁👉
he's apparently Comic Sans perverted brother
I believe her, she really does have a case against them. I hope she gets justice against these predators.
Unless she saved those chat logs or an eye witness comes forward, unfortunately she has a very weak case
Case for what? Underage drinking? Most do it with fake ids. Go out more
@@rhetoric5173
Read the room
@@jdschrunk4900well that literally how they found Trump guilty without any hard evidence.
Women don’t even own their own bodies in half the country , so I doubt it. Police often cover up evidence of rape and don’t even send in the rape kits for testing half the time. In Alabama, they want to legalize rape and arrest women for simply coming forward if there’s not enough evidence. America hates women.
Dang! Horatio Sanz used to be my favourite font.
So what I'm gathering from this is that there's a good chance Jimmy Fallon isn't even fit to host a parasite.
Jimmy Fall on the stage.
@@battra92 jimmy fall off the stage and breaks his neck
that's one of my favorite mike jokes!
He would be slapping his desk at that one.
clout will get you everything
I'm going to guess that marble chomper comes from Hungry Hungry Hippos, and that Sanz is trying to call himself a hippo. He used to use his weight in his comedy, so it makes sense to me that he would keep that theme with his screen name.
It still feels like some kind of gross pedo-slang lol.
I assumed it was a clever reference to Demosthenes and overcoming speech impediments to become a successful orator. But your guess is undoubtedly more plausible.
@@JacksonKnives I agree, Hungry Humgry Hippos is more likely, but if there were ever a moment that I wished the horses were zebras, this is it.
Thank you for covering this in a solemn, serious way. This news came out two weeks ago and yours is the only video I’ve seen that handles it in a mature way that respects the victim.
But also really funny when you began to say the complete web address.
A new refrain for showbiz: "Never meet your heroes; they'll always try to r4pe ya."
I love the "I'm not like that anymore" defense. No no, I think you are exactly like that still.
I'm all for redemption but it is a common manipulative tactic too.
The fact that she waited 20 YEARS to file a formal complaint tells me everything I need to know.
@@burnbabylonburn78
You are obviously a man, and know nothing about abuse victims
@@burnbabylonburn78 she got greedy when she got older. Plus the culture today is much different and grooming underage women for sexual abuse is no longer business as usual.
@@rsh650
I’ve known more than I should, growing up with six sisters and living on the street, and being a woman myself.
Thank you for a. doing these videos on stories I otherwise wouldn't have heard of about awful goings-on, b. dealing with them with all of the available facts and c. getting angry exactly where any reasonable human being would get angry. It genuinely makes these videos so much more palatable to know that even the guy making them is as disgusted as I am. Thank you Georg
I thought it was way too dramatic
What facts?
@@yaash4123 Court docs • don't be a nonce.
@LeviWilliams off topic, whose that in your icon?
So this is why everyone hates comic sans.
Underrated comment 👆
You win the Internet today
Tremendous!
Seth McFarlane may have outed this, the skit seemed odd at the time, for Family Guy. I've always seen it as some form of truth telling. It's Season 4 Episode 4, where Jimmy Fallon "uses" Meg for an SNL Skit.
I remember that episode. Yikes 😳
I think he’s done that with other things too. I feel like he’s one of the people who also publicly called Weinstein out for what he was and people just laughed because it was in the context of humor. NBC is the Animal House of the television industry
@@hirograveyard8236 Really, the television industry is the Animal House of the television industry. It’s sad. When I was young, it was my dream, to live in that world. I’m sooooooo glad that Life helped me to dodge that bullet. Sometimes, I think one’s dreams get crushed so that one’s soul will not.
That's also where Stewie runs around naked in the mall yelling "help, I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement"
Peter also beats up Fallon for fucking Meg
The more I hear about this show business the more I start to think there might be something sleazy going on.
You mean an industry full of thin skinned, narcissistic individuals working in a deeply shallow line of work where there are millions of dollars floating around might be sus? Nah, I don't see it
might?
@@oanaalexia allegedly
I'm starting to think that some of these high-powered Hollywood types are real jerks!
It seems nothing but a swamp of filth...but i honestly ask myself how people behave so "shocked" as more and more shows on the surface and everyone knows and talks about (for decades) that this seems totally common in the model business. Will that ever be dealt with?
I just want to thank you Georg, you make outstanding video essays, I’m never not entertained, and I always leave with something.
I agree 100% with this comment.
@Tano
... and a hit of Hiptang.
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Sanz apparently always leaves with something as well...
The sad or overwhelming part of this, after a while I decided to search more videos about this case, but I don't see many videos talking about this.
And here I was thinking SNL's only crime was to be so dedicatedly unfunny
Also picking a political side with the coastal effete superiority of the 1%.
Also being litteral chinese commie propaganda.
@@garak55 wtf?
U must be a trump supporter. SNL isn’t for you.
@@andybaldman You must be a child, assuming that people who don't like overt, MSM-derived comedy with an obvious agenda are Trump supporters.
Schmidt’s reporting is amazing. I never heard of this (very recent) lawsuit because it’s seemingly not garnering much attention. Thanks Schmidt for bringing it, however, to my attention.
I’ve heard both Jason Bermas and and Matt Jarbo report on this.
Might be because there are several significant world events going on that are absorbing everyone's attention right now.
@@jnnx who?
Yeah it's amazing what you can bury when you own massive chunks of the news media
@@sg-yq8pm so the gist of that was "You didn't hear about it as early as I did, so you're a piece of shit"
You seem great.
Level headed, non hyperbolic video. Rare commodity. Subbed.
I like that you are publishing videos more and more often so I have more Georg Rockall-Schmidt to watch.
Me, I've no idea who Horatio Sanz is - sees picture, GUILTY!!
That's what the person filing the lawsuit is hoping for.
He would fit in the cast of the Sex Offender Shuffle.
He would fail at First Impressions Court.
"The cast of SNL loved reading a 14 yo's fan page about them." Not sad at all.
what is sad about that
Might have been the only one out there.
@@ravendeafening192 a lot
In this context sure but in another it is "this celeb really cares about their fans and is a genuinely great person and isn't a stuck up asshole"
This is the least sad thing about this story. In fact, if there were no grooming or sexual contact it would be kinda wholesome
They say “Never meet your heroes” Interesting is biographies been written in three versions: autobiography by author, by historian or fan and third by enemy of the author.
I used to think "don't meet your heroes" just meant you'll be disappointed that they're flawed people like everyone else. Now I it seems like you shouldn't meet your heroes because they might be sociopaths who leverage their fame to get away with pedophilia and/or sexual assualt.
Literally whose hero is Jimmy Fallon?
@@unskilledlabor1 or Horatio Sanz
@@TheFarSideNoob it's not pedophilia as she was already 15 years old
@@unskilledlabor1 A lot of women and girls found him attractive and he had the biggest ratings before the Trump presidency.
Georg, you're a very sincere and incredible content creator. Thank you for shedding more light on this issue. Also, thank you for all your content, I love your channel.
I concur
This complaint crystalizes everything I dislike about Jimmy Fallon. His friend openly flirts with an underage girl, and he does nothing. John Oliver comedically points out Amazon's abuse, and he silences him. Trump says he wants to ban all Muslims entering the country, and he ruffles his hair. All cases show the same pattern of behavior. Jimmy doesn't have a spine, and cares more about people liking him than standing up for anything.
What was Fallon's response to the Muslim ban?
Yes, I have had a conversation with a coworker about talk shows and inevitably ended in discussing mutual dislike of Fallon. It's not one thing, it's what every action he does implies.
No backbone at all.
Why can't the girl take some responsibility here. She chose to be with those people.
The moment the plaintiff disclosed she was "a junior in high school," the conversations and contact should have ended there. "Later at the party" should have never happened.
I don't like Fallon in the least, and could take or leave Sanz, though I'm unsure about what "Talent" SNL casting agents saw in either of them, let alone the vast majority of cast members since 2002.
Either way, I enjoy the analysis by Georg Rockall-Schmidt far more than I've enjoyed SNL since Phil Hartman was killed.
I wanna know who the fuck was that called Sanz out but then did literally nothing to stop things from continuing. That's almost as disgusting to me as being the actual culprit.
Hartman was a class act.
I hadn't heard of Sanz until today. The only thing I know about Fallon is that he's never been funny. Ever.
But unless I missed something, and you are certainly welcome to tell me so, Fallon was not involved in this nor did he sexually assault or abuse anyone. Was he one of the ones present? I feel this is sort of manipulative including his name here while no info is disseminated about his involvement or lack thereof. If there is a link to other situations where he was involved, please tell me!
@@jbjacobs9514 Um, did you miss the part where Fallon gave her beer and casually asked her what her plans after high school were? The whole "the table went very quiet when the plaintiff disclosed she was a junior in high school" bit? There are other occasions where she is harassed and Fallon was present.
Georg's question is "why did all of you stand there ignoring or even encouraging this?", which one can certainly apply to Fallon.
No amount of alcohol could make Sanz or Fallon attractive.
teenage hormones will…
I mean fallon isn't a hunk but he isnt ugly
I though Sanz was just Fallon in a fatsuit
@@mrdog4529 same
...or funny.
I'm starting to remember which late-night Jimmy rhymes with "felon".
Never even heard of Horatio Sanz
You're probably too old for him anyway
@@HOTD108_ I’m not, and I still didn’t know who he was. Although, I’ve never liked SNL, and he apparently was only ever “popular” while on SNL.
You must be too young for Mad TV…
@@jnnx nah, I’m old enough for Mad TV too. It’s worse than SNL 🤣
@@jnnx Will Sasso is a fat guy who is actually funny
Horatio Sanz can catch these hands.
Bars
that you, Braun Strowman?
Am I alone in wondering why her parents were ok with her going to the parties, the tapings etc? It's a parent's job to protect your children from this type of thing. None of this is the girl's fault, not one thing is her fault, but I'm gobsmacked at how her folks must have been ok with her flying out to New York on her own, or if they accompanied her, let her attend parties on her own. What parent would be absolutely cool with their 15yr old child being put in harm's way like this? Maybe I'm missing something
Parents protecting their child???? What world are you from?!?!?
%100 agree, the parents should also be accounted for this problem. The child should've been taken away by Child Services and Fallon should've went to jail but he is famous and rich so oh and in California so he is safe.
Well, it's also any individual's responsibility not to groom / assault minors.
But it does take two to tango, just saying.
@@evanpb can't groom or assault minors if the parents do their job
Seth McFarland has a history of hinting at this stuff, is this why they had Meg sexualy assaulted in a "in show" SNL Opening Bit by Jimmy Fallon?
There are so many pedo jokes on SNL. It's like they are mocking the public by being so in your face about it.
back in 2005 no less…nobody called him on it, they ignored that she was an underage character sleeping with a 30 something guy
I think he just wanted to make the "half the audience of MadTV line"
Plus,it was just a funny absurd joke about the live from New York its Saturday night skits
@@bostonrailfan2427 Peter beat Jimmy's ass at the end of that
What do you mean nobody called him on it?
@@shermansadventure1151 give some examples. I can only think of two.
Anyone can say 'if this was happening why did she continue' -- but that doesn't matter as she was a minor. Minor's can't consent (or even sign binding NDAs).
Horatio may believe he's a 'different person' but the 'new person' will be the one going to jail.
He may very well BE a different person. But if he's a BETTER person, he'll accept punishment for what he did. I've seen a lot of people cancelled, and the ones who actually DID grow as people are the ones who own it, including the consequences.
get the fuck outta here with that dinosaur era way of thinking. she knew EXACTLY what she was doing and never cut it off with him....shes no victim. stop acting like 15-16 year olds dont know what the world is about and are far more informed than any other generation ever.
so for you its juts a matter of law and not morales. ok. change the law and now its ok according to you? seriously, wtf???
reverse the genders and the kid would be a hero. wake up.
I mean, you're just factually wrong in a ton of ways, OP. Lots of states have an age of consent at 16 (and in many other countries, it's even lower at 15 or even 14 or you can be in Japan where it's absurdly disturbingly low at 13). In New York it's 17. Quite literally, a minor in any of these state with a lower age of consent than 18 (when federally, a person is no longer a minor) can consent. That's why it's the age of consent.
Not saying that what's going on here isn't fucked up and horrendous. It is. But different states have different laws on this. Which is probably why at that party they were so surprised when she said she was a junior, not a senior like they assumed. If Sans had been dating a 17 year old it would still be super gross and repugnant, but it'd be legal.
This whole kind of thing had come up only a few years prior to the early 2000s for NBC, when Jerry Seinfeld started dating a high school girl in the late 1990s. At the time, it was incredibly incredibly scandalous in the tabloid media that covered it, but everyone at NBC was basically like "he makes this network millions of dollars every year and it's technically legal so we won't make a fuss."
@@mysticx0 the only people who think 15yr olds are not easily manipulated, clueless, and insecure are other 15yr olds and people who want to excuse predators.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe i would bet money that you're a teenager yourself because the only people who think that way about kids are people who haven't grown out of their childhood yet.
Maybe I shouldn't tell you this, but the fact that you can recite all this bullshit about age of consent laws off the dome, is something most people would find to be a huge red flag.
I'm not surprised that this happened, the Saturday Night Live set has always been a prime place for this kind of thing. Perhaps most surprising is that anyone thought that any of these people were worth protecting when the show has been far from the powerhouse it once was.
We don’t actually know if it has happened it’s just a story at this point. Don’t rush to judgement
@@demarcdegasol I just said I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not assuming anything I've just heard stories about how the set was.
Even from the start it was well known for booze and coke and wild parties and it's unlikely it's gotten any better.
However, I'm not assuming anything, it could just be she's lying and hoping the rep would sell the idea.
At this point, it could go either way.
So-if the show we’re still a powerhouse, the abusers would be worth protecting
if you know anything about theatre groups, its a highly sexually charged atmosphere. most of the actors end up hooking up with one another. its quite normal actually
@@Aycheffe I don't know about now but back when the show first started, backstage was, by all accounts, like a frat house.
The SNL skit of Hermione ‘Growth Spurt’ (Harry Potter) is pretty revealing, Lindsay Logan was only 17 at the time.
Update for all you ‘fact checkers’ out there:
The skit aired 1st-May-2004
Lohan was born 2nd-July-1986
She was 18 on 2nd-July-2004
So she was 17 at the time it aired.
Got that?
Yeah it is. So inappropriate. The early 2000s were a terrible time for promoting the sexualization of young girls. Minors. Children.
Lindsay LoHan
Just saying
@@leodwinak autocorrect is a pain in the ass. My tablet keeps trying to change my sister's name to Jay-Z
@@psychegoddessoflight9358 it's called comedy, get over it
@@Juggernaut-fg2up You can do comedy without sexualizing minors. It's true, I've seen it.
*"If you want to metoo me you can but I'm a different person now."*
Right so people who have been abused need permission from their abusers to come forward?
I don't think so.
Naturally the creep denies what he did to her too.
That's not really letting her come forward about the abuse.
“I’m a different person from when I did the thing that I absolutely didn’t do and it wasn’t as bad as you said”
You seem quite judgemental over somebody who is trying to apologize, and make amends.
And whose apology is being used against him. U must have a sparkling clean record to be preaching like that, friend 👌
Even though it says that making these allegations would be unnecessary now, this statement also admits that he did wrong. That's important.
My old account got banned and it's been hell trying to find all my old subscriptions. Today I add your channel back to that list.
Where the hell were this girl's parents? How did they not know about any of this?
This was the Internet of the very early days. They probably thought it was for school, job or going out with friends since it was the weekend. Also, if the plaintiff was from the tri-state region (so think Pennsylvania or New Jersey) they theoretically could've made it to NYC and made it back in little time.
Children need love and guidance. When they don’t get it from parents….they often look for it in worse places…because they don’t know any better.
How did a junior of highschool go to so many hollywood parties full of rich untouchable people and not being talked to by an adult? Its like a walking time bomb
dropping her off at these parties, more than likely.
Well, if they were anything like my mother, they probably didn’t care. I grew up basically on my own, with no structure or guidance. My mother worked a lot (she was a nurse) and if she wasn’t in bed with a migraine, then she was out partying with friends. I had no limitations and I did whatever I wanted, I drank, smoked pot, went to bars (I had a fake ID) and stayed out all night but hey, it was the 1980’s and we all thought we were going to die in a nuclear war lol. It all worked out in the end, I joined the army and we haven’t died in a nuclear war….yet. Btw, my mother is a much better grandmother than she ever was a mother and I made myself a promise to be a better mother to my children than she was. I think I succeeded.
Somehow i completely missed this Story, which is weird, usually such stories are even covered regionally all the way here in the Bavarian Alps.
That said, is anyone surprised at all? This isn't the first time NBC (along with many other US Channels) had such Scandals.
There is a Reason why the "Stereotype" of American Media, whether Hollywood or outside of Hollywood had this "Stereotype" of grooming, sexual blackmailing and more since it's Inception.
Hell, as a Historian i found such Reports all the way back in the early 1920s in French, German, British and of course American Newspapers.
Hollywood and Media in general have this Image since forever and it's well deserved
Prost & Cheers from the Bavarian Alps
Jimmy Fallon is untouchable. They delay making a fuss about the law suit for as long as they can.
They think shiskas are trash to be used up and thrown away.
You´re not the only one who completely missed this. FAZ, Zeit, Spiegel and Sueddeutsche didn´t report on this, not that i´m aware of at least. It´s just a guess but i assume our tv stations didn´t report on this either. Makes you think, doesn´t it?
@@DerAykac
Yeah definitely strange, they did report immediately on it in the past when there were such News
For some reason media production seems to attract the most vile of hedonists.
only when a show is in decline will they throw these people to the wolves. Never before
This is not even true. It's more coincidence that these shows are past their prime. The fact is that society is more open to taking allegations like these seriously than it was before. Of course people are going to speak out now.
@@mechanomics2649 Yeah but the industry covers for them until theres nothing left. People get thrown to the wolves only after theyve peaked
At first, I was confused how this could take down a network. All the networks have survived stuff like this. Then you got to the part where Lorne met this girl, and then I understood.
Now we know why Fallon and Sanz were always cracking each other up
My daughter - Dad I'm going to New York by myself for a party.
Me-No fuggin way you are.
Well, just wait until my suit against the George Rockall-Schmidt Show goes through. All those podcasts left a scar.
He had no pants...
I could see EVERYTHING your honor. Well, after I got my magnifying glasses out anyway.
Sometimes he has a beard. Sometimes he does not. IT CANNOT STAND.
The lava lamp touched me.
"He just kept saying 'HIP TANG HIP TANG' and I felt powerless"
Somehow I hadn't heard about this. I was on vacation in Wyoming, far away from the internet. This is truly shocking. You did a masterful job of presenting.
your videos give me a vibe of a weekly cable show on some random network I've stumbled upon by zapping. I love it. never stop please.
I already hated SNL for being mediocre... this just makes it more founded.
i was hoping this was a spot of fun.....
i'm sad every time i hear these allegations and we know where there's so much smoke, there's a fucking forest fire
Stop supporting hollywood
@@Onoesmahpie They don't even provide good "bread and circuses" anymore.
Thank you for covering this because I had no idea this happened. Which I find odd since I usually always hear about these kind of lawsuits
Universal Studios probably running the numbers right now on how cheaply they can change the theme of an entire attraction
Which attraction?
Hey, Georg. I know this might sound weird to say, but great video. I really appreciate your work on stories like this as you drag the twitching vampiric corpse of corporate sexual harassment into the light of the sun.
Question: have you been following the ongoing cases of sexual harassment in the gaming industry? Blizzard Entertainment is the latest to get its moment in the light, but it has been happening with other companies, too. (Of course; as if its a rare occurrence.) Bethesda had its moment not very long ago. As per usual, the main offenders got shuffled around/different titles while the obligatory, lower ranked sacrificial lamb or two was thrown onto the chopping block.
The Blizzard fiasco is a real shit show. If you haven't seen it already, it might be worth a look. It's got some ludicrously awful elements/responses from the company in it. On the other hand, I can imagine that researching these kinds of stories might be exhausting/depressing, so I would understand if taking on yet another one would be difficult.
At any rate, please take care and thanks again for the work you do. 😎
if she was lying she'd make up a far more sensationalist story. seriously almost every girl has been- in highschool, at some party, with some adult man trying to get his hands on us. even without the EXTREMELY damning text messages this is so believable it borders on (unfortunately) mundane. and that's exactly why this behavior has to be prosecuted- it shouldn't be so normal
@Stix N' Stones it's not
This is so, so true. All the girls I went to high school with have experiences like this, because we all went through it together. Me and many of my friends dated guys in their 20s in high school and went to parties with adults present, it should not be so normal, but it is
Who would ever have thought that Horatio Sanz had power?!
No kidding. The way I remember it, he ruined almost every skit he was in because he constantly broke character and started giggling. Fallon was the same way. Two of the weakest cast members ever on SNL, IMO.
Like Horatio Sanz through the hourglass... these are the days of our lives.
What?
🤣
@@fauxhound5061 "Sanz" sounds like "sand"
"Like sand through an hourglass, these are Days of Our Lives" is the intro of an old long running soap opera called, well, Days of Our Lives.
"Marble Chomper"
Isn't that a hungry hungry hippos reference?
Makes sense if you think about it
Looks like The Mandalorian will have to recast ANOTHER side character...
This actor was the blue guy?
Hollywood's okay with child molesters, but they take the Friederich Engels stance about people who do not share their political ideology
@@arthurballs9632 We get it, you're still bitter about Gina Carano being fired for being a moron.
@@mechanomics2649 I would be equally upset if you were slandered, bullied, harassed, fired and blacklisted for "being a moron".
prosecution : mr sanz, why don't you take a seat right over there
6:26 - Maybe it stems from your not being familiar with average ages/grades in American high school ("juniors" and "seniors" are usually 16 and 17 respectively and while 18 is the age of legal adulthood, 16 is usually the age of "consent") ...but the hush that fell over the table would have been from the disclosure that she was a _junior*_ (in high school), not just that she was in high school.
That they knew her SATs were upcoming and asked her what she _wanted_ to study in college implies the group only thought she was one year older (or two at most) than she actually was.
edit: Now that I've finished the video/seen your last line delivery it seems clear that you DO understand. Sry if I came off as condescending...
maybe dont write a comment before you finish a video lol
@@eparigon Yeah, It's definitely one of my worst habits...
Really hope this blows up. Thank you
Seems this is going to happen to a lot more "celebrities" in the coming years.
What do you mean happen to? No one's doing anything to them. They are the problem.
@@Aster_Risk Yes... that is the frustrating part. Maybe a snowball effect will make them not able to sweep it under the rug.
13:50 Farrow's story wasn't incredible, on the contrary it was highly credible.
Would love to see you cover similar cases like this, mainly the activision blizzard lawsuit comes to mind, especially with just how insane activision blizzards actions have been during the suit
Change is needed. Big companies need to stop with this '80s-style "here's money to make this go away so we can keep our 'integrity'" schtick. Those companies need to cut out the cancer, all the way to the top. Abuse of power needs to be eliminated.
They can't. They hide behind laws that require corporations to make profits for their owners, and there's more profit in silencing victims than in endangering their brand. "Owners' profits above all else" is the foundation of capitalism, and as long as it prevails there will be no accountability. Besides, sexual abuse of minors is just the sort of forbidden fruit that the rich like to enjoy in order to make themselves feel above the rest of us, so they have no incentive to give it up as long as they are in power.
Want to actually stop this abuse from happening? Join a revolutionary organization. For real.
Change was needed 40 years ago.
@@JosephFuller Couldn't agree more. This situation of wealth and power getting away with it is much too sinisiter.
Abuse of power is usually how companies get big, and if by some miracle it's not, it's definitely how they stay big.
Never trust a company that's existed longer than its founders. If every corporation were automatically dissolved and unspent funds dispersed evenly to all employees when its founding members died, you'd see a freer market and less abuse all around.
This begs the question... where were Jane Doe's parents when all this was "allegedly" going on?
Same thing every parent with a child in the entertainment industry does. Silently racking in the money
They were living as pieces of shit.
Valid question but it doesn’t in any way absolve the alleged behaviour if true
Probably happy that their kid got to meet her heroes.
The climate and outlook on showbusiness was a lot different to the average person at the time.
I don’t think you can adequately talk about the Internet of the early noughties without mentioning geocities and ask Jeeves.
or NAViGaTR
@@EggBastion or mAP qUEst
Tekwar is still a thing.
Angelfire image hoasting
Prodigy
Where the F were the parents???? How does a 15 year old just get to go to after parties?
your daughter is going to parties with rich men in another state, sure ITS FINE ...
She pursued HIM. And these days 16 is no child! If she didn’t like it she shouldn’t have kept seeing him. That’s not victim blaming. Still the guys were dolts, didn’t they ever hear the old saying “Sixteen will hey you 20”?
@@nhmooytis7058 But the law will say she's 16, and that is that. They will not care one iota about how "grown" she was. He's going to jail regardless. And even if she was old acting or even manipulative, he was still twice her age, so he probably had the upper hand as far as manipulation goes. Plus, he should have known better and been strong enough to say, "No! You're a kid! I will give you an autograph, but that is it. Go home!"
True, 15 year old girls with the will and determination of a woman twice her age can find their way into a lot of places.
@@maximusprime3459 age of consent should be 14, to keep up with teen culture now. Anything below, harsh sentences. Anything above if consensual, personal business, unless involving positions of trust like teacher/student and doctor/patient.
Oh Georg... looks like you've been "discovered." This video is about to blow up.
Jimmy Fallon is the Anti Funny. I'd laugh my ass off if this brings him down.
"Mind your own business, don't judge others, who am I to tell anyone how to live their life?" is inherently at odds with "See something, say something."
Yep. Just as "need no man" and basically every aspect of civilization feminists make use of.
@@LyaksandraB Yes, found the person blaming feminism on a video of yet another man abusing children! Anything to never take responsibility as a man.
@@Aster_Risk They took responsibility for the creation of the modern world, i.e. the everyday accommodations that allow us to be the most free and wealthy society since its inception and beyond for the foreseeable future. Feminism is the direct result of that, because no one would dare to even think about such banalities during an age of war.
Not especially. Anybody who pretends you can't oppose sexual abuse without being an asshole is looking for an excuse to engage in one or the other. It is possible to let consenting adults live their lives in peace without turning a blind eye to the abuse of people who aren't consenting or aren't adults.
@@Aster_Risk It's always someone else's fault
Imagine trying to pull the "I'm a different person now" shit with other crimes involving someone's physical well-being. Like murder, domestic violence or bombing a place with people in it. That shit wouldn't and shouldn't fly
Legally speaking, yeah, for murder, terrorism, and sexual assault of minors there's generally no statute of limitations, but for domestic violence and many other things, including sexual assault of an adult there is legally a statute of limitations generally. I think there should definitely be some form of proof of the charges, but I don't think there should be a statute, or if so, it should be like 20 years or something. Sanz and some of the NBC/SNL affiliates should be jailed, fired, cancelled, etc.
Morally speaking "I'm a different person now", I believe should be taken into consideration as a matter of public opinion, but not legally speaking. If I'm not mistaken, over the course of 7 years, nearly every cell in the body gets replaced, barring some exceptions. A ship whos planks have all been replaced is no longer the same ship. People need an opportunity to become different people, better people. Cancel culture has destroyed the idea of forgiveness. Prison is meant to be about *containment/quarantine if you're a present danger to the public, but also *rehabilitation to take someone who did a bad thing and make them learn a lesson. Of course they aren't required to learn their lesson, but they should have their rights restored after their term of imprisonment and probation are over. The stain of the past should be absolved until proven otherwise.
Filling up prisons is not the answer either imho
"comon' guys, I've really grown since then!"
Huh, that's funny considering many of your victims haven't 🤔
@@austincde I think what's really filling up the prisons are more victimless acts like property crime and drug possession. We should definitely rehibilitate perpetrators of direct violence for both the sake of the perpetrator and victim
I'll bet he weinstein's this - runs off to a rehab facility for seven days, cries to the camara, and all is forgiven
I'm just here for the "backslash" backlash
Georg, your B-roll is always genius. Holy guff
This was sent in my feed. So interesting I subscribed.
Given that there is a similar lawsuit against an ex Fox News employee right now (isn't the first for that company nither) I suppose I shouldn't be suprised. Considering whats happening in the gaming industy right now with Activision/Blizzard, Ubisoft and Riot Games, these issues are disturbingly widespread and exposes a pervasive and systemic problem that desperately needs to be addressed.
This is what you get when you mix counter-culture "free love" with moral relativism. It just took about 50 years for the fruit to fully ripen.
I personally suspect that in every single industry, there are terrible people who need to be brought to heel. The idea that you can just treat people like shit and that when you're successful, you can take advantage of lower people. Which then that means that basic rules of decorum and ethics don't apply is common now, and in the past it was 100% the norm. My own states primary industry (mining) is currently dealing with a huge rash of rape and sexual harassment cases. Stuff that was just "how thing are" back then, when in reality, you're probably ruining someone else's life or career.
We just need to never shut up about them or they'll go away again like they always do.
@@dubuyajay9964 No, this is what happens when people get enough power to not be held accountable for their actions by the people around them. The Catholic church, other faith based boarding schools, psychiatric hospitals, political sex scandals, Hollywood, sexual abuse in the military, even in humanitarian organisations. Unfortunately it turns out it's a global problem throughout all of society.
@@mitchh3092 I agree, corporations will generally obfuscate as much relevant information as possible and delay legal action. Waiting for the media cycle to move on and then continue as they always have making no meaningful changes.
We also have to be careful not to focus only on the perpitrators implicated but also on the systems and enviroment that allowed this to happen in the first place. For example the hostile and toxic work culture and enviroment at Activision/Blizzard was no accident or mistake. Unfortunatly simply firing and prosecuting the perpetrators won't stop others from doing the same although it would act as a deterant and demonstrate that they are not invaluable.
The fact that the court documents describe this as not creepy as possible and yet it still comes out like this.
Nothing will happen of any significance. “Its a big club. And you ain’t in it” George Carlin
I love this channel, never heard of this lawsuit, but George only creates videos about obscure and unpopular topics
I was indeed watching this on my TV. I felt so called out.
I know for a fact that Jimmy Fallon is a very angry drunk; he almost choked Zach Cregger to death, his words.
Holy fuck, is that real? Do you have a source for this information, please?
@@andrewwoodward8563 It was on a Newsboyz Stream, it should be on the Official WKUK VoD channel.
@@blackhatfreak do you know what episode it was? Or what the clip is titled?
@@blackhatfreak seconded, what episode is it?
I heard he used to go party with 2 shirts cause he'd do coke and sweat so much. Idk how true that is
Assume every network is like this until demonstrated otherwise.
Good coverage and delivery here. It's really simple, leave children alone! I hope justice prevails over Money,Jane Doe needs to go public though, it's more difficult to support a faceless victim with accusations than a real person with a provable experience.
Leave children alone.
Pronatalism is child abuse.
This is wild. I remember the fan site she ran as I was around the plaintiff's age at the time and stupid enough to be a Fallon fan. Without going into details, I shudder to think what would've happened had the universe not intervened back then in a potential interaction between high school me and one of the SNL cast members. Who knew. None of us at that age were thinking these celebs could be predators. I was extremely sheltered and naive at that age. Thanks for releasing this video, I remember this time period well and this covers the lawsuit details well.
yes, but where were the parents, would your parents let you fly to NYC by yourself and go to a show taping and an after party with complete strangers at that age? sorry where were the parents in all these flights and all these parties? yes if its proven then let them all get put in prison, but you cant just write off the parents who were her and the others legal guardians, a child cant fly by themselves without an escort or a arrangement from the parents especially not back then, i was born and raised in the 80's and no 14 or 15th year old was allowed to fly by themselves till they were 18 years old, how did she make so many trips to new york? and if the parents were there, why weren't they with their child and looking out for her?
@@wwozanewmusical @wwozanewmusical for sure, I understand what you are saying and I don't think people are writing off the parents. My parents would never have allowed me to do that either. And that's the exact reason something similar didn't happen to me in the event I mentioned back in 2002 - with one of the cast members. Unfortunately not everyone is lucky enough to have good parents, sober parents, or even both parents. Hell, some parents sell their children into sex slavery because they value money over their own family. However, just because she didn't have good parents, or whatever her circumstances were because we don't know the full situation, it still doesn't absolve grown men from sexually taking advantage of and grooming a young girl. This seems to be the case of too many people not caring - both her guardians and the SNL cast members apparently. At her age I probably would have done the same thing if allowed to because I was naive and didn't understand how the world worked.
@@wwozanewmusical also just wanted to add. You can fly alone at that age. You can even buy a ticket if you have access to a credit card. She could have also taken the train. There is no US federal law against someone of her age traveling alone. I flew alone at that age quite often.
That weblink joke was pretty damn good. I've actually never seen anyone else do it before
Apparently there are no adults in the rooms where these took place...no one looked these kids up and down and asked, "Are you 21? No? SECURITY!"
There seems to almost never be any adults in any corporate rooms nowadays (or maybe ever). You see what happened with Blizzard/Activision employees (they brought women to what they called the "Cosby Suite" and sexual assault claims were filed) and you realize that these companies are run by frat boy man babies (and sometimes woman babies as well) whom are either doing the harrassing/assaulting or they don't blow the whistle or stop these activities from happening when they see them. Its horrendous.
…what about her parents not even caring that their daughter was out of state at a party well after 1AM?
@@bostonrailfan2427 I was asking that as well. The victim still shouldn't have been treated this way but WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?
They don't care. People like this think they're entitled to 'young meat' to fill their egos.
wow thanks for the information op crazy, i havent heard anything about this on NBC lol
I wonder if Tina Fey will still call Horatio Sanz her friend.
That's what I was thinking. Queen of feminism Tina, what do you have to say??
If she does comment I'm sure she'll act shocked. Despite being there.
@@juliannah5721 I'll bet she's not going to say anything. She doesn't have a movie or show coming out either. But I noticed those NBC Comedy people have a weird little cult, I assume a sociologist can make make some compelling comparisons. And I read Tina's book on improv (I borrowed it from a friend) and believe me, she does think she is God's gift to men, television, cinema, and family.
@@BlazingOwnager I agree. But during those SNL parties I bet she was in the other corner of the room with all the female cast members harassing the male staff pinching their butts and stuff.
@Danny Tallmage most of? We're is all this info when I search for it?
georg, they're NOT BACKSLASHES. they are clearly forward slashes since they go forward
In the UK they go the opposite way
@@heyheyodelay no they fucking don't mate
Notice how quiet the media has been about this
If this had been Fox News, the story would be 24/7 on CNN and MSNBC
We must pay for everything in this life. In one way or another.
We do. The rich and powerful, not really.
Lots of people steal things or receive gifts.
Unfortunately, that's not true. Life is unfair and karma doesn't exist.