Get to know Bears new OC Shane Waldron with Michael-Shawn Dugar | Hoge & Jahns |
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2024
- What are the Bears getting in their new offensive coordinator Shane Waldron? The Athletic's Michael-Shawn Dugar has been covering him in Seattle, and he joins Hoge & Jahns to shed some light on the good and the bad(?) of what Shane Waldron brings to Chicago.
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I’ll judge Waldron by what he does in Chicago not what he didn’t do in Seattle 🐻⬇️
Seattle is a better team than the bears he’s going to have less tools here and be under a far worse HC it is concerning.
@@JJ-zr6fu That’s your opinion and if there such a better team then the bears how come they didn’t make the playoffs 🤔
Me, too. Even if Waldron sounds a bit Getsyish from this Seattle guy, he still has called plays for years and will not take half a year to learn the offense.
He’s not gonna change anything you can’t convince me that this is the right move over hiring Harbaugh and getting a new staff in here. It’s just not. Until the bears are willing to put up with winning then they’re never gonna win.
Mike Dugar - Could you get out of bed for this?
As a Chicago guy, I vacationed in the Bay Area a couple of years ago and I was shocked how much dislike the media and fans had for Mike Shanahan....they thought the guy was a fraud. And all I could think about was how much I'd love for him to be the Bears coach. Groupthink is an amazing phenomenon. I'll wait to see how Waldron fares in Chicago before judging him on his last stop.
Insightful episode guys. Appreciate the conversation from all 3 of you fellas👏🏾
Now talk to someone that doesn’t sound like they hate him lol
def was hating the whole video. Brushed pasted positive information. And focused on negatives in detail
Sounds like you’re looking for reassurance rather than facts. Mike was actually gentle compared to the way Softy Mahler from KJR talked about him on wscr.
exactly. needs be negative and positives, pros and cons. that’s how we get to know him lol
EXACTLY!!!! 😂😂😂😂
So they bring a guy in from Seattle who is familiar with him, what else are they supposed to do. If the guys from Seattle don’t like him
Holy smokes this guy doesn’t really like our new hire. Someone besides Geno is repsonsible for his success otherwise if it was 70% Geno we would have seen his success much sooner than him starting in Seattle.
They had him on for a reason.. create a narrative
Good point.
This dude thinks Geno developed Geno. Alright. 🤣
Does Waldron get any credit for the great improvement in Geno Smith, or was that completely unrelated?
Some Seahawks fans were crediting the QB coach Dave canales for his ascent and he ended up being OC for baker this year where he had a career renaissance
@@toxickingchristian2645 yeah we should have gone with Kingsbury. I know he wasn't a great head coach, but he definitely had creative offense ideas, which we really need
Did you watch the pod? Dude answered it. The answer is No.
@@inorite4553 What do you mean the answer is no? How does he know? He gave most of the credit to Geno. Ok well I guess it’s always going to come down to the player but the problem with crediting the player is why wasn’t he playing like that until he had 9 years in the league?
You can't give all the credit ,because he was horrible first part of his career and he started flourishing in Seattle with Waldron
This gives eerie vibes of when they interviewed the Steelers insider about Claypool and everyone including myself said “eh what a hater”. Idk this gives me some iffy expectations
I have been reading a lot of the Seahawks fan social media pages and the vast majority of the fans there are happy that Waldron left. A lot of them complained about some of the same reasons Bears fans complained about Getsy (conservative run heavy, not utilizing the weapons to their full potential, too much screens, lots of 3 and outs, horrible on 3rd downs). I’m second guessing this hire.
Idk I'm looking at his player stats and they are better than our team. Also fans wanted packers headcoach fired. He is top 5 play caller this year. Seen people want people fired just for change but realize he was the reason for there success
Mike’s entitled to his opinion but at least this guy has called plays before unlike Getsy. I’d really like to know if Poles or Flus made the final decision. And would anyone be surprised if the Bears got the wrong guy?
Thought canales deserved more credit than not being mentioned with his work with smith. He also sounded like Seahawks actually chipped when they should have and they made adjustments. We haven’t seen the bears do that.
This is the Chicago Bears Center for Hate and Discontent!
Because they asked a guy his opinion and he gave it?
Preach
Geno was a bust until Shane and this guys says Shane did nothing… I bet this guy would say Justin would be good with a good oc
This dude just came on here and destroyed Waldron, lol.
So many fans butthurt rn at this guy😂
@@Darkmagecurt the purpose of him coming on
@@BearsBulls4Life to train caleb
This was a good real and important perspective to get. Definitely keeps us realistic about the hire
That’s the fourth podcast I heard were each Seattle insider said the same exact description of our new OC.
Good lord where did you find this guy.
Awesome information with this interview.
Regression Russell Wilson under Waldron threw 3000 26tds 8ints. If Justin Fields did that his 5th year would have gotten picked up.
Fields is the MOST INACCURATE PASSING NFL QB 2 YEARS in a row. What the hell are you talking about! He's on the same level as Z. Wilson throwing the ball. Fields is straight up trash.
The QB Fields was most compared to coming out of college Russell Wilson. Why? Russell likes to hold on to the ball, great long pass accuracy, mobile but takes sacks. Wilson and Fields do not fit in the Shanahan system. That said, Caleb Williams might be compared to Russell Wilson too. Caleb plays hero ball too. Is he willing to play in time? That is the question.
@piteusx8440 I would have an issue with that comparison as Russell Wilson had far more college experience than Justin Fields. Justin Fields should have stayed in college. That covid year smashed that whole QB class. I've seen tape both ways on Williams. If you go back and look at Justin Fields stuff in college Day wasn't really asking much from him.
I'm not in either camp. If you really think Caleb Williams is Andrew Luck, draft him. If not, build the team up with or without Justin.
Luck and Williams are nothing alike as qb's.
@myredpillow The same in effectiveness not style of play.
So... Mike didn't like Waldron because he gave the ball to Deejay Dallas on a crucial 4th down play.... Mike also didn't like Waldron because he only gave Dallas 10 carries total for the season. Which one is it? I refuse to believe that Geno's belief in himself is 70 percent of the reason for his success in the last two yrs. Appreciate hearing from a Seahawks beat on this but come on, man.
He literally said: it depends on your bias and perspective. If you want to believe he’s it, you’ll find examples. If you want to believe he’s shit, you’ll find examples. When you’ve just hired a new guy, that’s when the rose colored glasses are on because we all want to believe he’s it. This interview has me worried, he sounds exactly like Getsy.
@@alexmichael6697yeah when Mike mentioned that he’s really good at scripting plays for the start of the game, I was reminded of Getsy…fml 😂
I'm fine with Mike's take but at the very minimum have at least one fact to back it up. He talked for 5 minutes just saying Geno is confident in himself. Every player is confident so what.
lol. Our current QB is not confident.
@@ZachSchneider-sw6uc at what point have you ever heard Fields say he doesn't believe in himself
what game are you watching? He carried this team 2 years. @@ZachSchneider-sw6uc
Being confident in your physical talent / ability, and being confident in your ability to read a defense and react to it are different. It's clear JF1 doesn't anticipate routes or really throw his WRs open that much.
@@umphfr3ak that's is very true. But also irrelevant to the podcast content.
It's a good little inside story of the newly hired OC, I hope he brings in an explosive, innovative and competent offense to the Chicago Bears. I'm also hopeful that he learned to overcome his weaknesses through previous experiences as a playcaller. If it's true that Atlanta is willing to trade the 8th overall for JF, I wish we get a QB at 1, Odunze and an elite edge Latu, Turner or Verse at 9th overall.
Dam hear we go again
I'm more a Drake guy myself if we go QB. I believe he's got the fastest release out of them all. I prefer we keep Fields and unlock his abilities. GIVE HIM ANOTHER BIG RECEIVER!!! MHJ💯✔️✔️✔️
I like Odunze if we don't get MHJ. He's even taller and has promising abilities as well.
So supposedly Pete doesn't intervene on gameday, but he's creditied for Fixing Geno 😂😂😂😂. This is so stupid.
Mike loves his Geno story so Shane gets no shine . Thanks for rhe new OC Seattle
Seattles QB was Geno Smith. Geno Smith. Like, i mean sure DK and Locket. Great. But its Geno.
It is not all about the QB.
WR. OL. OC. all matter.
Upgrade everything esp qb tho
This dude... "When Gino was good. -All credit to Gino. When Gino was bad it was Shanes fault". Pick a lane man
Finally somebody talking sense about CW #drake
Wow Mike is describing Luke Getsy when talks about Shane.
That was very underwhelming information concerning Waldron as an OC..😨
LT OC Edge 3-Tec WR2 OG
He also talked about the Seahawks being bad on 3rd down and in the redzone. A lot of that could be the QB. If the Geno can't execute well in high-pressure situations, then the offense will be bad in those situations. You have to look at the tape to know if it's the QB, the OC, or both causing those problems. But Mike didn't give any specific examples to help make that clear. It's like listening to Mark Carman break things down. 😂
Mike Dugar, seen Geno's career stats? Good coaches add a +1 to player abilities. Maybe a +2.
My god. This was brutal… sounds like we got another Getsy… going to be another frustrating season sounds like…. Holy cow
Michael Dugar we are family
Drake Maye release and footwork need serious work. Don't overthink this take Caleb.
Please draft Caleb Williams
No! We want Fields!
Why?
@@seyebrighteyesno we don’t he sucks
We’re drafting Caleb , No sought after coordinator will come here to unleash Justin . He’s who he is 😅
Fields doesn’t suck. Caleb is just better and resets the clock
This interview merits further investigation and more interviews with Seattle insiders. The 3rd down conversion stat was concerning, however, he lost me at 70% cred to Geno.
I have been reading many Seahawks fan pages and the vast majority of the fans there are happy he’s gone. That should be a red flag.
Look man forget the West Coast offense stuff with Fields. He cannot and will not get the ball out quickly.
Why couldn’t we just get Kingsbury?
Bears gonna Bear!🤯🔫🧸⬇️
Hope this doesn't mean Fields is going to get traded.
I think it's funny that the guy basically explained why Russell Wilson struggled in the system, the same issues that Justin had last year, and some of you still want to stick with him in this scheme
First...best Podcast about Chicago Sports especially the Bears.
Shocker this guy is hating on the OC that helped them be better but left them. 😂😂😂
Give him Luke and he will probably say he is the best OC ever
Shows you every fan base likes to blame coordinators😂
Unbelievably considering what’s happened the last 2 years, most Bears fans’ knee jerk reactions to new coaches or players is way too positive. I specifically remember a lot of people saying Getsy was a home run hire because he “mentored” Rodgers, and that sentiment lasted way less than 2 years. We don’t know who the other offensive assistants will be or even who the QB will be. After 14 without a playoff win, I advise Bears fans to have my attitude about new players and coaches - I’d love it if they succeed but I’ll believe it when I see it.
The hire is not an indicator. I agree on Maye. If you walk from Fields, Maye is the guy.
This dude is disingenuous, I don't know Shane Waldron, but to say he was only 20% of a person who was a BUST is 🍌 this guy has a bias for sure.
They said that they will not hire anyone that can't work with different quarterbacks!! So he must have a game plan for Justin.
Didn't ask him about how he Adjusts his offense. That was one of the big reasons they let Getsy go.
My favorite part was when Seahawks guy didn't want to give credit to the OC. 😂😂 it's geno smith for christ sake.
People only want to hear and read things that reinforce their opinions on things one way or the other. I'm guilty of it multiple times when it comes to the Bears.
The situational point at the very beginning of this open chat is the scariest part for me.
It's the same with a different person with the headset on ...
He needs to be better if that's what he has struggled with and bringing with him from Seattle.
Wow....Shane sounds like Shane is perfect for the Bears: he will have highs, he will have lows and overall, settle at average.
That's a god damn shame. Average sounds pretty nice right about now.
Please keep in mind this is just one man's opinion
yea sounds sea happy he gone... we can judge him on what happens in Chicago
I appreciate the realness from Mike. I really wanted Kliff but I know Fields stans would lose their mind if that happened, plus we would lose potential trade leverage. It honestly sounds like an experienced Getsy 2.0 so lets see how this goes lmao
Reid praised Nagy play calling against Bills. Ha ha funny😅😂
Jf1 was in QB collective lol
And Kyle Shanahan passed on him. That should tell you about what the Shanahan coaching tree wants in their QB. I like Justin but he's not a good fit for this system.
But he drafted tre Lance too ! So your argument is pretty moot.
@@Tylerdoesitit's not moot. Guess what? Shanahan dropped Lance for the last pick in the draft, Brock Purdy. Both Lance and Fields didn't fit Shanahan's system. It's pretty obvious. And before the draft, people say Kyle had to be talked out of drafting Mac Jones. Regardless, while Kyle wants mobility in a QB, he's far more concerned about playing on time and a quick release/footwork. That is the most critical QB traits in a Shanahan offense.
😂😂 I was going to get to that you beat me to it @tylerdoesit
@T3PPodcastaveragejoes And what did Shanahan do with Lance after 2 years I the system. He gave him the boot. That's the point. Both Fields and Lance's skills do not fit the Shanahan offense.
Hone run hire? That’s definitely not what I heard Mike say.
It honestly seems like Tyson Badgent could be better for Waldron than any of the QBs
There needs to be a basic understanding for zoom calls. 1. Don't show me your house 2. Sort the lighting out.
Kmet is going to eat in this Waldron offense.
Reading the comments back today, Bears fans HATE THE TRUTH!!! Hate the truth about Waldron and hate the truth about JF1
This pod is making me think we hired Getsy 2.0
Exactly
Man, this guy really doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about. “Geno was great in college and high school so I don’t give Waldron credit for his resurgence”
team Bagent
Hoge and Jahn’s were absolutely shocked and stunned by the lack of flattery of Waldron. Very sobering. There are other better reviews of waldrons play calling. Waldrons system will be similar to getsy so it won’t be a big learning curve for the offfense. This tells me we need to trade #1 pick and get a lot of new talent like offensive line and wide receivers. Great players make coaches look good.
That's not happening. Go kick some rocks somewhere.
I'm with that guy, if the Bears draft a quarterback I'd prefer Drake Maye. He looks more like an NFL quarterback in the Peyton Manning mold.
End of the day, Getsy was a bottom tier OC. Waldron, as Hugar explained, is an average OC- that's an upgrade. With an average offense we would have made the play offs this year. Geno is an average QB, you provide Waldron a better QB, whether that is Fields, who is arguably more talented, or CW, the ceiling is probably a top 5/10 offense and floor at top 20, i would take that in Chicagoland after what we have seen.
I was excited until I heard this. Seattle has better offensive personnel than the Bears 🐻
Dude looks stoned AF lol
Nothing confirmed. Poles holding out for Kubs
Packers fan here hahaha you guys can't do anything right
Sounds just like Getsy
Sounds like Same ol Bears.
nope A Plus hire
They made the wrong hire should’ve waited and hire Kubiak
"Shane figured out how to run screens."😡😠We never want to hear the word screen again.
Mike sounds like he’s speaking from opinions only woulda rather just heard hoge and janhs go back and forth without the make believe takes
Getting chase claypool vibes... guy in market says he aint it. Chi media trying mental gymnastics to make it work
Haha hoge got their too lol
Would be a bears hire if it ends up being true
Why do they have writers who never played professional on here . Get a former coach or player who has knowledge of the game.
Luke Getsy 2.0
Why did we hire this guy
I bet George McCaskey liked him alot.
I’m gonna laugh when Caleb doesn’t pass the person test by Poles because there is too much drama surrounding him. He didn’t beat any good teams in college and has a lot of bad habits that will not work in the NFL..gonna be the new Johnny Manzell or whatever his name was..
Anyone is better than Getsy😅😅
Of course this guy is going to be highly biased toward the Seahawks! He’s not going to give his former OC the best praises. Never trust a biased take.
WORST INTERVIEW OF 2024 SO FAR LMMFAOOOOOOOO THIS GUY IS CLEARLY HATING ON WALDRON THE MAN TURNED GENO’S WHOLE CAREER AROUND IN 1 SEASON AND IT WAS MOSTLY GENO????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂😂😂
Your guest, Mike, was a real downer. He sounds like he detests Shane Waldron! Sorry, but this interview was unbalanced and really turned me off. You should have screened him beforehand. And he's with The Athletic???? Wow.
This guy is describing Luke Getsy. I’ll take a better version of Luke Getsy. It’s still an upgrade.
This dude's take on Geno Smith's resurgence is absolutely moronic for a beat reporter to have. It had nothing to do with his OC, Geno Smith just got magically better 9 years into his career because of his confidence.
You can't make this shit up. 🤣🤣🤣
Where the fuck do they find these people😂😂😂 Gino did it himself? Ooooooookay, pal.
Free Agent WR salary $15 million.
Free agent C between $5-10 million
Free agent Edge $10-20 million
Dont see how the Bears are a wild-card team without addressing those depth and starter needs.
So we hired Getsy 2.0?
Sounds like it
Exactly so it doesn't matter who the QB is we going to suck next year especially with a rookie qb
Dave Canales name is sorely missed in this conversation. Now fast forward to Canales being the OC for Mayfield this season and the O in Tampa ...
People are going to blow smoke for Waldron because of PFF stats and the like, but he is nothing but a safe hire.
Their run game was rubbish, you trade Fields - which is obviously 50/50 - do people really think Herbert can be the guy?
Think this hire is smoke and mirrors again.
So Waldron is Getsky to this guy. The fact that Waldron is ok with a player interviewing him to be his OC tells me i dont want him.
Bad move,,,,very Bad !!!!..let's get Abe Gibron !!!!
This dude in bed just talkin out his...
People the fact of the matter is that the Bears are cheap, and they know we're going to still buy tickets. The "Ultimate Finesse".🤔🤔🤔
DRAKE MAYE?!
It’s pretty clear they keeping Fields.
Save $146 Million in 4 years draft Caleb Williams and trade Fields to Atlanta for the 8th pick in the 2024 draft. Use the savings to sign a center and a 3 tech. Pay JJ. Let's Go!
not getting a 1st for Justin
I’m a firm believer that they need to draft a QB, but I’m not on the Williams bandwagon yet. The scouts need to find the best QB that will fit his system. Mr. Irrelevant out played former first rounder.
I don’t think there’s a way you get the 8th fields isn’t that good
3 tech not a high priority now compared to this time last year. They've had production on the interior of the d line this year. Edge is more needed. Center and Edge through free agency. Fields won't command better than a 2nd rounder.