What is the history of NATO expansion?
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How has NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) expanded over the years?
Enlargement of NATO is called the Article 10 process. ‘Any other European state’ may be invited, and requires approval of all current members.
At the end of the Cold War, NATO consisted of the United States, Canada, Portugal, Spain, France, the United Kingdom, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Greece and Turkey.
In securing Soviet agreement for a unified Germany’s membership, NATO promised that no foreign troops or nuclear weapons would be stationed in the former East Germany. Whether further eastward expansion of NATO was agreed, however, remains a point of controversy.
Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic joined in 1999. Membership was offered to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania and Bulgaria in 2004, and Albania and Croatia in 2009.
More recent entrants to NATO include Montenegro in 2017 and North Macedonia in 2020.
As of today, three countries have applied: Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine: all after the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February (2022).
Ratification of the former two, (as at November 2022), remains at 28 out of 30 current members, with holdouts Hungary and Turkey.
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My guy circles Greece and says Turkey.
Lol
My man based lol
Based kebab
Turkey in future..
@@dorm9562 Halal ending
"And turkey"
*Outlines both Greece and Turkey*
Based.
@@8-bitstream379 not based.
@@Belgian_Mapper incredibly based
@@8-bitstream379 Totally not based.
@@Belgian_Mapper-probaly- based
Greece ☠️☠️☠️
Greece is not a country but is a Turkish state we learned that in school
Bruh
@@Anonymouslikemydad Turkish... lol
@@Anonymouslikemydad greece creates turkey
@@Anonymouslikemydad stop the cap
Note: I am greek.
"..and Turkey"
*sees Greece circled*
*flashback to ottomans*
"THATS IT YOU SON OF-"
GET ABSOLUTELY FUCKED EZ
Greece is a free country 200 years now like it or not
@@giannhssakkiotis8777 I mean we don't really care mate good for you guys
As an Armenian, I really hate the turks as well so… screw them
...Istanbul not Constantinople
Dude: Nato members yaddee yadee yadee
Iceland: 💀🥵
Rip iceland bro ded
Iceland is protected by NATO tho-
Update on NATO: Finland joined :D
Hope no ww3
@@RandomAmerican304nope
Sweden, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova will soon
@@RandomAmerican304yeah you must steal the oil- uhh i mean expand democracy!!
@@Heikinnen0301Ukraine can only join NATO If the War with Russia and Ukraine ends. Sweden can only join if Hungary and Turkey improve the appropriate for Sweden.
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The Icelandic government is controlled by the Danish government
@@haizat3601 No. Greenland and the Faroe Islands are part of Denmark. Iceland has been indipendence for more than 100 years
@@haizat3601 bro wdym iceland is a country
@@haizat3601 Are you on something?? (Respectfully)
@@haizat3601Hoi4 player
Everyone: He forgetst Greece
Me: He forgets Slovakia
He didn't forget slovakia
Um... What about Iceland?
I am from 🇸🇰
Iceland also in nato
And y'all still wondering why Putin's so pissed? I'm not justifying what he's doing in Ukraine but there's context with every action.
Countries joining NATO is a reaction to russia and putin. If russia wasn't constantly attacking or threatening its neighbours, then many countries would not join NATO.
It's understandable, but Russia isn't the only country concerned with its security. Russia occupied Eastern Europe for nearly half a century, so it should be understandable that they have security concerns of their own.
You are quite literally justifying what he's doing in Ukraine.
@@michaelkovacic2608 Russia? Or is it the Soviet union cus they're two different states
My guy outlined Greece and Turkey and said Turkey
Based.
@@nrbmemes2414 Cringe
Based.
@@hypersp3ce596 wrong.
Based.
And people call Nato defensive lmao
Can you pin point an example where NATO invaded a country so it would be part of it?
If NATO is defensive Allianz, I'm black lmao
@@lly_09 Name 1 war NATO started
They are defensive. Right now they are DEFENDING Ukraines sovereignty. NATO has never "invaded" anyone, nor "Expanded". Nations JOIN on their own accord in order to have PROTECTION from places like 🥁...
RUSSIA 🫡
“And turkey”
*circles Greece and turkey*
*Greece having flashbacks of the ottomans💀💀*
Greece and Turkey: But you didn't have to cut me off
And Finland 🇫🇮 in 2023
Fun fact: In 2023 Sweden and Finland will be now a NATO membership it means they will be fully apart of NATO
I think everybody knows this by now
@@Indy_Mapping_Edits I like how thay refused Russia trying to jion 3 Times in 50 years but exapted evry other earoupean country from the first try....lol
Turkey and hungry haven't voted yet...
@@atruinaugustus It’s only Hungary, Turkey lifted their objections in June
@@enriqueperezarce5485 TR and HU lose their leverage when they say 'yes'. So they try to squeeze everything out before that.
And the most important that "Russia is very close to NATO" :)
and nato is multiple time stronger than them
Hey we in eastern europe cant feel safe without NATO next to neighbour with leaders like you have in Russia
And Jens dum dum Stoltenberg tells it's Russia thats the Agressor? Who is moving it's military closer to the other ??
@@pertpesc7058 Russia is literally the one who has attacked 2 neighbours in last 10 years
It’s nothing to cheer about. Humanity is losing and warmonger are winning.
Greece and Turkey are two different, sovereign countries
No🗿
@@jakubek9173 well, you're right, historically speaking Anatolia has been longer Greek than it'll ever be Turkish
@@fotios.europa I was just joking but thanks i guess👍
@@fotios.europa how about hetians ?
@@abdisamicyasin3034 do you know what was their language ? the same with the akkadians what does it says to you that ? You are a smart guy you must know about them right?
Technically it hasn’t expanded eastern since 1952
It's never "expanded"
What about Finland the newest member
My guy must study geography
The United States government promised "no inch east" as a prerequisite for allowing a unified Germany to be part of NATO. The United States reneged on that, and unilaterally abrogated the ABM, Open Skies, and START treaties.
Then the United States supported a right wing coup in Ukraine in 2014, and armed and trained Ukraine military forces.
In 2022, two NATO members, Norway and the United States, blew up a portion of the Russian/German Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is an act of war and considered terrorism by international law.
Source: Trust me bro.
For the Nordstream, even if that's true, Russia clearly doesn't respect international law so why should other countries respect it while dealing with it?
@@k0rf3on6 The "No inch east" assurance and understanding are public record.
The United States unilaterally abrogating the ABM, Open Skies, and START treaty framework are open record.
The United States supporting the right wing coup in Ukraine in 2104 are backed by released phone calls from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, interviews with Ukraine Right Sector activists, and from information obtained from Hunter Biden's laptop amongst other data.
United States President Donald Trump was impeached in 2019 for instructing the state department and justice department to inquire about Hunter Biden's and Joe Biden's potentially illegal activities in Ukraine. Part of the articles of impeachment included, "President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine." That was $400 million in military, USAID, and other contracts that Trump halted to get answers on potential illegal activities by a former sitting Vice President and his family. At that time, the United States had been arming and training Ukraine's military and right wing militias in Ukraine - even though the State department had previously listed some of those groups as terrorist organizations.
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh provided a detailed analysis of the United States and Norway involvement in blowing up the Nordstream 2 pipelines. Both United States President Joe Biden and Victoria Nuland, now Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, had threatened to "end" the pipeline earlier and boasted afterward.
Also, Denmark and Sweden had investigated the cause of the pipeline explosion, and neither released the information citing security and political concerns. Denmark is a NATO member state, and Sweden has applied to be a NATO member. If It was Russia, they would have released the information immediately.
@@boredweeb867 Russia used the same international law NATO used to intervene in Yugoslavia and Kosovo.The blockade of Cuba by President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis used the same principles of international law without the backing of the United Nations. If rules of law are only in effect for the NATO and the United States to act, and no one else, what kind of rules based law do we have?
The United States used that same international law to invade Iraq on made up WMD, yellow cake uranium, and al Qaeda link charges they knew to be false. Under those circumstances, that is a violation of international law. Note here that Germans and Japanese were hanged after World War II for doing what the United States had done in Iraq ... an invasion that inflicting nearly 1 million Iraqi casualties.
The conflict in Ukraine has always been about natural gas, oil, weapon sales, and U.S. power in Europe. The United States Obama/Biden Administration supported the Ukraine coup in 2014, and then changed U.S. law to allow U.S. exports of natural gas and oil products just months later in 2105.
Attacking the Nordstream 2 was a political act of terrorism and an act of war on both Russia and Germany committed by the United States and Norway. Almost immediately afterward, Norway opened its own natural gas pipeline to mainland Europe.
@@Too-Odd
You are just proving my point. International law is irrelevant to superpowers and right now, Russia is violating it in a worse way by doing a war of conquest than US did by blowing up a pipeline.
Imagine if China did a Pacific alliance with Latin American countries 🤔
That wouldn't work since US already has a NATO-like alliance with like 90% of South America en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-American_Treaty_of_Reciprocal_Assistance
@@lpatryk2004 USSR also had, warsaw pact. But they can be failed, currently, china should focus on economic development and not on expansion.
When Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, and Vietnam hates China… at what point can China make a Pacific alliance with enemies they continue to piss-off?
Moreover, you think Brazil will allow China to make a Security Pact with the whole of South America? Doubtful. Brazil may be quiet and somewhat neutral, but to trample on a continent which Brazil would certainly love to influence will not be successful.
@@agorbogytr13 Warsaw pact failed because USSR collapsed and it's puppet states finally got to make decisions on their own. In contrast, nobody forced those South American countries to join, some countries even left the alliance because they didn't like the USA's influence, now imagine what would happen if a Warsaw pact country decided to leave...
@@lpatryk2004 Are you sure, USA don't intervene in their political system to keep maintaing the allicance?
I have a list of CIA covert operations in south america to establish real puppet regimes in argentina, chile and other latin america nations.
Do you want it? If i will show you than, you have to accept USA is motherf***ker.
Do you accept the challenge, little kid?
Don’t invade, occupy and harass your neighbors for a whole century and maybe they won’t hate you.
Which country is that?
germany?
You just need the right government and right culture/people. For Germany it worked because of democratic leadership got put in power and denazification.
@@TheOmokage I don't know which country Infliltrator was referencing.
@@TheOmokage Russia of course you brainiac
Says Turkey:Circles Greece aswell
Me:Oh I didn't know that we are living in the 15 hundreds
Sweden: Yup *Sniff* I don't-t-t ex-xist :(
Bro got his degree from Mcdonalds
Sweden isn’t in NATO
yet…
@@Epicnetan Well it's getting approved of NATO members and by then it will be just waiting for like 6-10 years.
@@gamesforgames1727 actually all NATO members ratified its accession protocol except for Hungary and turkey and as of right now Hungary plans on ratifying it by early 2023
@@Silvergalaxy7383 Yeah
Finland everyone forgets me 😢
This was made before Finland joined
And now Finland
Still kind of wierd that russia makes countries want to join NATO
really says something about how much countries feel threatend
Perhaps all the mighty bear posturing might have worked out the wrong way after all
It's the other way around sweety
@@cazwalt9013 how is this other way around? Problems with logic?
Russia tried to join Nato in 1998 itself but was rejected for no reason. If Russia had managed to join Nato, then it would probably now also be part of the EU and there would be piece in Eastern Europe, with both Russia and Ukraine developing peacefully.
But of cause racist USA rejected it.
@@llanieliowe794 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Racist? You mean Russians are from a different race? 😆😆😆
@@llanieliowe794 Are you aware of why NATO was formed in the first place?
Finland now too
It wasn't forced in those countries. They joined because they wanted to. They were asked and told you can join if you want and they did. But outins approach is not invitation , but force. Big difference
At least you see who is the agresor
Was Russia threatening NATO
Or NATO threat Russia by moving to Russian door step ?
NATO didn't expand to Russia, countries on Russia's border chose to join NATO.
@@lmao.3661 Politics is more complex than that my guy, need to study history
It's no use even after seeing the obvious, these ppl are brainwashed beyond recovery
@@lly_09 yeah it's far more complex than "NATO is expanding to Russia's border!!!!!!!"
@@lmao.3661 If you don't bother to study history and politics of it yourself, why should I do it for you? It's fine if you want to be a blind sheep, suit yourself
This "controversy" of NATO expanding won't be an issue if these former Iron Curtain countries/provinces didn't feel threatened by Russia. They all lived under the USSR's foot and don't want to return. Lastly all these countries asked for membership into NATO. It's called self-preservation. Russia needs to ask itself why does everyone want to join NATO
So I guess they would much rather be under the boot of the American?
To be an enemy of the U.S. is a terrible thing, but to be an ally of the U.S. is fatal. The world will learn this very soon.
Yeah, install your nuclear weapons on it's borders and see what happens, the last major conflict was the Cuban missile crisis. It's just stupid one-sided explanation here
@@lly_09 There are no nukes directly bordering Russia.
NATO always had the chance to put nukes in Norway, and now recently Finland, but they haven't.
Finland left the chat
This was made before Finland joined
amazing edit man!!
Finland: I'm next ❤️
😂
And sweden
Russia:🌚
No❤❤❤
🇧🇬🇭🇷🇹🇷 be like:🤨
I honestly think we should kick out turkey from NATO. Even though its a really strategic country it is becoming more and more of a headache to NATO
Maybe Turkey knows it's not really, really in NATO. wink wink.
And bring in Armenia, the were betrayed by Russia
Turkey is a counter balance to NATOs imperialist ambitions
@@categories5066 Okay bot
@@themeddite2935 I’m not Turk but what did they do to nato?
GREECE PALIOMALAKA GREECE
How come you didn’t mention the nation of Greece? Even worse, you name Turkey while showing the area of Greece as part of the addition to NATO of Turkey. Is this not incorrect?
@@stevyd its correct 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
@@stevyd It should be the borders of modern day Turkey.
Greek as an ethnic and cultural identity is as natural as a bottle of coke, it was and is an artificial construct made to weaken the Ottoman Empire (which is why xenophobia is a cultural and personal identity of many Greeks)
Furthermore, the foundation of their “identity” is incorrect to begin with as people that inhabit this region are not related nor are the descendants of the Ancient Greeks, those people would be the Albanians and Macedonians to the north.
Greece is an anarchist American protectorate with outdated,inefficient and illogical economic laws, crippling debt, lack of adequate government administration and the lack of unity within the people and the economy. The state of “greece” can be described as a state of feudalism with extreme militaristic values as their foreign policy and an state of mind not suitable with the technological and social advancements of the modern world. The land would be of better use by the Turks.
Ρε ο μαλακας μιλάει για την οικονομική αυτοκρατορία ξεχνάει το καυλι του 1821😂 άσε το παιδί να ζει στο όνειρο του εγώ σταμάτησα να ασχολούμαι κάνε το ίδιο είναι μαλακές εδώ μέσα ακόμα και τα Σκόπια βόρεια Μακεδονία λένε και σε τηλεπαιχνίδι στην Αγγλία δεν κέρδισε το έπαθλο στην ερώτηση σε ποια χώρα ανήκει η Μακεδονία έλεος δεν πάμε καλά
A sovereign country is sovereign, if they want to join they may always apply, and regardless of the fact if Luns really said the alleged words it’s ridiculous to validate the story of him saying things as if it were an international treaty
Like Cuba, oh no.
Agreed, as a sovereign nation Russia should place nuclear warheads all across the US coastlines, within the international waters. I’m sure Americans won’t mind it, Russia is a sovereign nation and can choose to do what it wants.
@@bololollek9245 Nazi Germany tried, as a sovereign country, to disregard international law. We all know how it ended for the Nazis in 1945.
And considering that Russia is losing against Ukraine... oof.
Russia cant decide the future of foreign countries.If a country wants to join nato it will join then.Otherwise there would hace been a "special millitary operation in the baltics.
And now we have Finland in.
Finland has now also joined :)
Down with NATO
In 2023 Ukraine joins NATO
Let's hope together, FOR GREATER FUTURE AND THE ONE NATION WORLD
And Finnland 2023
it's clear who's the aggressor here 🙄
Yeah, why would all of these countries choose to join a defensive alliance? How strange.
You're right, it's Russia.
whoah your dam right its russia
And it isn't even Russia
@@lmao.3661 to pose a threat to russia
edit:- ohh you're a dog... so it's normal for you to not understand geo-politics
Usa-Nato 💩💩
Great!!
Finland has joined
Icland has left the chat
Russia wanting to join in 2001
NATO rejecting
Russia now not allowing Ukrain to join
See how it links up
For Russia to join, they must accomplish the criteria that NATO gave to other European nations. This includes a total revamp of the Russian military to NATO standards for easy integration. Moreover, the new Russian Republic/Oligarchy should allow full democratic processes in and outside of politics.
Alas, Russia did NOT want to accomplish the criteria back in 2001 for “some” reasons. Ukraine will also be needing to change their constitution just like other European states hence, I rest my case.
And Finland
Here Portugal has an article in the constitution that says we cannot be part of any military alliance, but we are part of NATO. No politician has yet had the courage to say why. Of course, civil society barely talks about it. Only when we buy unnecessary submarines without knowing how much they cost, fighter planes that have never been uncrated, tanks that don't work, weapons that jam, does this come to light.
As a Portuguese, I wouldn't talk about it too, and also the equipment part that you said is true, but I would say that it would be better to have unreliable equipment then none
Yes yes the ultimate Turkish border thank you for accepting our real borders
As a greek that is absolutely not funny
@@nikdim14 as a Turk this is absolutely funny
As a Kurd this is absolutely not funny
Russia: NATO is the aggressor
**Meanwhile Russia killing innocent civilians just to aggressively expand their influence and territory**
Me:How ironic
And when did the residents of Donbass become terrorists? who were killed by ukrains for 8 years
I mean Russia wanted to be part of nato but they rejected Russia cause then there will no one one to fight with😂 another reason is they are frens with china
NATO said no to Putin
If they said yes and they can join maybe there wouldn’t be Ukraine war
And archive world peace
Finland is finally in nato 🇫🇮
Am a Turkish guy BUT it not right to show Greece İS A tURKİSH TERRETORY!
He circles Greece my home country and says Turkey 😢
Finland April 5 2023
Theres Finland now
Finland joined NATO on Tuesday, 4 April 2023
People who don't see that Russia must feel threatened by this, are either blind or don't want to. It's the equivalent of all south America aligned with Russia.
It's understandable that Russia feels threatened, but Russia isn't the only country whose interests matter. Judging by your name, you're German. Germany was at the frontline of the Cold War for nearly half a century, it's more than understandable that they wanted to push NATO as far east as possible.
You are crazy or troll ?
@@wacoslaw I'm a troll. Putin pays me.
@@michaelkovacic2608 Germany didn't have to be at the forefront of the cold War. After Stalins death, the ussr tried to open up to the west. All they asked for was Germany to be neutral. After all, Austria was. We could have had a united Germany in the 50's.
@Wolfgang Hachmuth yes I know. That may have been a missed opportunity, although I consider Germany's NATO membership to be beneficial - not because I like the USA, I don't, but because being a member of the most powerful military alliance the world has ever known is certainly very good for national security. We don't know how history might have played out, it could have been better or worse. I'm Austrian, and we really like our neutral status, but we cannot know if it would have benefitted Germany.
Regardless, that didn't happen. It's more than understandable that after the Cold War, Germany wanted its territory to be secure. Just like Poland and the Baltics.
Ukraine 🇺🇦 Finland 🇫🇮 and Sweden 🇸🇪
2023 and Finland is here 🤗 Love from Poland 🇵🇱❤️🇫🇮
And now Finland!
Looking forward to see the 5 applicants - 🇸🇪Sweden, 🇫🇮Finland, 🇧🇦Bosnia-Herzegovina, 🇬🇪Georgia & 🇺🇦Ukraine join soon :)
Bosnia-Herzegovina will not join NATO.. Because Bosnia has 2 states. One state is the Federation of Bosnia that supports NATO and wants the country to join.. The 2nd state is the Republic of Srpska that dosent support NATO and it dosent want the country to join.
@@Justice-qw7sj yeah well when srpska leaves then Bosnia can join nato
Finland Sweden and maybe Ukraine idk about Georgia
Yes,, the 4th Reich grows stronger
@@77belts LOL only the 23% percent can decide if they want NATO or not. Because croats would also want to form Herceg Bosna out of the 5 cantons in the federation of bosnia.. Bosnia will be gone just like SFR Yugoslavia..
glory to Byzantine Empire!
Ξεχνάνε τα μέτρια ότι εκεί που μένουν τώρα κάποτε ήταν και αυτό όλο Ελλάδα και μιλάνε για οθομανικη αυτοκρατορία που δεν ήταν ποτέ ούτε το ένα τρίτο της βυζαντινής και ήρθε το 1821και πήραν το..... στο χέρι 😂.
Y does nato in Europe kinda look like if nazis won ww2
why?
How come does it look like that?
@@Elcicikos Idek
There was never any official agreement by NATO not to expand further Eastward.
However, there was an official agreement between Ukraine and Russia. That agreement was that Russia would never attack or invade Ukraine and Ukraine would give up it's remaining nuclear weapons to Russia.
If you want to cry about NATO expanding into eastern Europe, then also cry about Russia invading Ukraine.
No country is forced to be a NATO member. They do so voluntarily to protect themselves against the threat Russia posses to them.
Sweden and Finland be like: Oh ok we’ll be here
My bro brought back the ottoman empire💀💀
Jesse,what the fuck is this guy saying?
And Finland in April 2023
Forgot Greece bro 😎🇬🇷🇬🇷
Nato is the biggest block to peace ✌️
nice edits
Greece is punching air rn
iceland: but you didnt have to cut me oooooooooooof
And now Sweden Finland and Moldova also
Moldova can't join in NATO
These countries chose to join NATO. If Russia would stop being so aggressive maybe that would not have happened
Bro Russia was a brokey skinny when they joined.
@@atomica0914 But they won't before which is why I'm pretty sure they joined because they feared what Russia can become again
@@atomica0914 Russia invading half of Europe in 1945 so when those places got free they flocked to join nato
@Антон Гаврилов there is no treaty on nato expansion, even Gorbachev said that nato didn't promise to expand.
@Антон Гаврилов Russia is dangerous as they keep invading countries, no one provoked u, the west hasn't invaded u in one hundred years since Lenin's times. Russia was democratic only under Yeltsin and even then I invaded Moldova and Georgia. U guys invade to make countries listen to u, not because u r threatened. Ur just Imperialists who no one likes
Sweden now a member too..33 countries total
The whole enlargement thing, that was made to the Soviet Union, a separate entity, due to the state of the Eastern Bloc. It was informal at best, because there were no actual documentation. My memory is a bit hazy here, but it was a President of the US, who, once out of office, doesn’t hold much authority
Exactly
Not even the president, the Secretary of State said “we will not expand passed the eastern block”
There was no agreement, just a random presidents word without consent of NATO itself, the Soviet Union, or other members of the US government
NATO's eastward expansion is controversial because it was never signed in a legally-binding treaty. However, Jens Stoltenberg, Secretary-General of NATO alleges that NATO never promised not to expand, which is blatantly false.
Minutes of the meeting between Gorbachev, then-president of the USSR and NATO leaders George HW Bush, then-president of the US, Helmut Kohl and Hans-Dietrich Genscher, chancellor and foreign minister of west Germany respectively are available on national archives and clearly shows said NATO leaders giving assurances to Gorbachev that NATO will "not expand a single inch eastwards", after the latter unilaterally offered to withdraw Soviet troops from central and Eastern Europe.
It was never an agreement, nor was it formal
@@mucha028 It was specified in a meeting, the minutes of which are available on national archives, but was never signed in a legally-binding treaty. That's what I said. Learn to read, Nazi-sympathiser.
@@violetsther3739 Yeah I know, you just made it sound in the second paragraph like it was an actual thing, I know how to read, and I suggest you never insult somebody who you don't know, you might think that I'm a terrible reader, well, maybe I've only been speaking English for one year? No? You don't even know my background and just assume that. Oh, and of course, the classic "Nazi-Sympathiser" stupid argument, not everyone is Nazi, barely anybody is, I am against Fascism and that is why I'm against Russia
@@mucha028 Действия России на Украине это следствия расширения НАТО. Вы видимо плохо понимаете что такое фашизм, если применяете этот термин к России. Почитайте про современных героев Украины, что бы понять кто такие нацисты.
@@user-yf7mc4zf6c Фашизм- Страна с диктатором, военным режимом и где ти не можеш говорить ничего против правительства,.
Я хорошо знаю термин фашизма, в отличие от тебя, по моему мнению, Россия больше подходит к етому термину. И какие герои? Бандера что ли?
Turkish propaganda
Max greek
retarded reasonning right there
And also finland now
And now finland in 2023.
Paliomalaka!
Γιατι ειναι η Ελλαδα στο μελλον!
@@kailidovas9562Θα πάρουν τα αρχίδια μας 😈
The expansion of nato isn't a controversy, it's a fact. When the USSR was dissolved the deal was that nato wouldn't expand towards Russia. But here we are.
I wonder why countries close to Russia would want to join a military alliance. Could it possibly be that...
*Russia has a long history of aggression and people just don't trust them?*
When? Like the vid said the wole deal was about eastern Germany. Stop spreading disinformation
@@O5-12-the-Accountant In 1990, during negotiations over the reunification of Germany, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev received assurances from Western leaders that NATO would not expand beyond its then-current borders in exchange for the Soviet Union allowing a united Germany to join NATO.
@@kardz1848 No, he talked specifically about eastern Germany. There never was a treaty for that
@@O5-12-the-Accountant I mean you can say that, but it doesn't make it true.
it was a verbal agreement to the then soviet leader
This is the main reason why Russia is not in favor of Ukraine being a NATO member.
Wasn't the only "agreement" that they wouldn't expand east being a verbal agreement between the current presidents of the USSR and the U.S.A?
It was a verbal agreement made by one politician that holds zero value.
No, "verbal agreements" doesn't exist
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And Finland in 2023.
You cant blame those former Warsaw pact members not to join NATO after the collapse of USSR.
Glad the added in West Turkey 🙏🙏🙏
oh god he drew greece as part of turkey oh MY GOD OH N-
Montenegro joined nato illegaly,in order to join nato the people of the country have to vote if they want to join nato and then the country gets put on the list for possible alliance but the people of montenegro had protests against nato cause nato illegaly bombed the country in 1999 and the higher ups of montenegro said we know the people dont want to join but we say yes anyways
Accordingto businessinsider article, it needs to be a democracy and that governing body needs to vote on it. I'm not aware of there needs to be a public vote, although that sounds reasonable.
The people don't have to vote on joining NATO. The requirement is that the country be a democracy, not that every citizen votes on joining.
Spain did not join initially. And it started with West Germany, not Germany as a whole.
NATO should throw Turkey out and allow Sweden and Finland to join. NOW
Can't kick out countries
Why the hell would you do that? If anything back NATO up to Germany and not a inch further or disband the organization completely. Cold war is over, NATO is a way for the US to control countries and foreign policy.
@@davidstegne3036 I don't think so.
keep dreaming to kick on turkey bozo
Even though it would be better that Turkey was kicked out but Turkey is an important asset to the NATO. Turkey knows they value and they are using it right now to make Sweden and Finland give the Kurds and the criminals Turkey wants
It's not a point of controversy there is numerous speeches documents referring to the promise not to move eastward and there is no reason to move eastward unless you're planning to attack Russia. We also know from history in the world that you never let 2 major powers touch each other you only will survive if you have buffer States in the middle and sadly Americans are so poor on history they miss that. They're gonna repeat the same mistakes that have happened hundreds of years ago in the past.
Your points don't make any sense, there are multiple "major powers" historically that have shared a common border, the US and British Empire is an example of this, and same With Russia / the USSR and China . NATO is a defensive alliance, so there is zero reason for Russia to be afraid of sharing a border with the NATO bloc unless Russia wants to do yet another unjustified land grab like what has been going on in Ukraine the past year.
@@LuKing2 say whaaat? defensive alliance?? don't make me laugh... usa and nato since ww2 ended invaded so many countries cus they felt like it and killed so many innocent people as well. how is that a defencive alliance? usa did so much shit since ww2 ended and now expanding rapidly towards Russia's border even tho there was an agreement they wouldn't do it. So why would you come all the way to Ukraine and even have your troops there literaly on the Russia's border facing towards Russia?? Even before this war... Russia was warning them so many times to stay away or they will have to use force and they did it on purpose because they knew Russia would do something. That was the trigger of this war that is happening rn cus usa cant live without making conflicts all over the world and then acting like they are saviors or peace makers
@@LuKing2 Yes, I remember the world in which Europe had 4 empires that were in contact with each other. It all turned into a great war for the most stupid reasons. 20 years later, in exactly the same way, the two strongest powers clashed and it turned into the bloodiest war in history.
@@LuKing2 ahahah, the most aggressive nations in whole world history united in one military alience. And thats what we call "defensive". Nice joke
@@TheOmokage I'd say you need to add Russia and China for that to be true
And now we have finland