TERF Doubles Down After Bre-st Cancer Diagnosis??
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this video, we explore the provocative article by Amy Souza, a woman recently diagnosed with stage three breast cancer who also identifies as gender critical or a TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist). As she battles her illness, Souza's experiences intensify her controversial views on gender and transgender issues. We delve into her arguments, which juxtapose her personal struggle with cancer and the broader debate on gender identity, highlighting her views on the normalcy of cisgender experiences versus the pathologization of transgender experiences. Join us as we navigate the complex intersection of health, identity, and ideology in this emotionally charged narrative.
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My dad, cis het, was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. He had both breasts removed. He died from it shortly after. He was refused help from any support groups as they were all for women only. Imagine gatekeeping emotional support
I’m so sorry you and your family went through that. 😞
Have politicians really convinced people to care more about removing the rights of others than to take care of themselves?
yes, absolutely, next question
@@TurbopropPuppyso… are you just okay with that or… should we talk about it some more… ?
@@AngelWings1960 I feel like “what do we do about it?” is the next question in question (no pun intended)
She's SO CLOSE to getting it when she talks about the fear and heartbreak of the prospect of having to live in a body she feels is missing something - IMAGINE feeling like your body is wrong, what a horror. Can't think of any way this could be applied to the people she's vilifying...
CIS men can get breast cancer too, it's just a smaller chance because they grow less breast tissue. Her using such a difficult diagnosis to fuel an agenda sickens me
Yeah, this pissed me off. We are mammals, which means all humans have brest tissue.
I blew a blood vessel when she called it her sex specific disorder.
And men have it double hard after that diagnosis because they often don't get any social support. So many live in an environment where breast-related stuff is seen as unmanly and shameful. They even get kicked out of breast cancer support groups because the victims in there see them as invaders solely based on sex or perceived sex.
Reminds me of the guy whose brain damage made him more conservative.
You mean John Fetterman?
@@joycelinlgbtqI see you weren’t sure because it happens so often to so many
Most MMA guys I know
Huh. Usually it's the conservatism that causes the brain damage
Jordan Peterson?
My mom's a cancer survivor. She loves her breasts and would do anything to save them. Still totally supported me getting top surgery.
I used the phrase "born in the wrong body" all the time as a kid/teen back in the 80s and 90s when I didn't have any other language to explain it.
A classmate used a similar argument against abortion, she was infertile so because she couldn't have children but wanted them, she could not even imagine that others did not want children and had abortions or get hysterectomies and tought they were evil
She didn't get that there's so many ways a pregnancy can go wrong?
What particularly annoys me is that her mantra is all about loving yourself and your body, but her ideology is centred around the idea of preventing people from accessing self love and wholeness with one's body because they want to embody in a way she doesn't approve of.
There’s a kind of messed up pathos to devoting your last days on earth to this shit.
She's not terminal, is she?
@@britzkrieg2 not yet, but her biological essentialism will probably take care of that one.
I’ll try to merely pretend to care about Amy Souza’s situation just like she merely pretended to care about children’s safety.
Puberty wrecked my body. It made me feel like I was a robot, controlling my limbs and that's it. It took me out of the little bit of embodiment I had. (Granted, I was still heavily dissociative before puberty)
My body started becoming mutilated when I was 10. I'm just the repair guy.
Too bad she can't have her bigotry removed. Maybe she would have the empathy, for others, that she seems to so desperately crave, for herself.
Now I’m curious how she would feel about cis men with gynocomastia. Is it okay for them to get top surgery cause she doesn’t see them as women? Or do they just have to experience gender dysphoria because their breasts are “precious” too?
The way she doesn’t think trans people don’t already have a perspective on this. Trans femmes see trans mascs removing aspects of their bodies that they would want and trans mascs see trans femmes removing aspects of their bodies that they would want. But the two groups don’t begrudge each other for it because we, perhaps more than anyone, understand that what we want for our bodies isn’t what others want for theirs. That this writer thinks she could add a perspective we haven’t considered is laughable.
My sister and her husband are both Christian fundamentalists and all that goes with it. About a year ago she said something she thought was reasonable. Paraphrased, "I accept that you _feel_ medical transition was the right option for you. But you have to admit that that level of change in your body isn't _natural or normal."_
I responded that that was an interesting take given I'd done nothing that she and Brian, her husband, hadn't done. She'd had a pretty major breast reduction about a year before and her husband has been on testosterone replacement for years. Her response was utter silence and she's never brought up that argument again.
I hate that gender dysphoria is designated as trans only. When in reality almost everyone has experienced it at some point in their lives. Some take action, some don't. But however "natural" or "normal" it may be applies to all.
Notice that she does _not_ feel like her tumours are an integral part of her body and they disgust her to the point of wanting chemo and going through whatever treatments it takes to get rid of them. Now have a shred of empathy and apply that to trans mascs
those people are incapable of empathy
I do identify strongly with the phrase "born in the wrong body," and I still use it, but I realize it's not universal.
Another that I feel fits me is that my body pre-transition was the prototype. I tested it for 40 years, found the glitches and issues, and came out with version 2.0. Both are my body, it was always an aspect of me, but it needed some fine-tuning.
I hate Freud so much.
this video helped me bc in my constant attempts to untrans myself i forgot women actually like their breasts and not think it’s a cruel joke from nature you’d love to get off yourself when the possibility arises
Yep. Figuring out I was trans and accepting my gender dysphoria actually made me a lot more accepting of my breasts. Yes, still had top surgery and am very glad. But being able to say that there wasn't anything wrong with my breasts, they were just wrong _for me_ was a huge relief mentally and emotionally.
I'm a cis woman and I have never cared about my breasts. I hate bras, but I have to wear one.
But if you want these annoying things, go for it.
i love my boobs and think they are very annoying. i especially hate how people use them to control the people who have them.
You could get breast reduction surgery. If it's hurting your back insurance might cover it with a doctor's note.
Ah, yes, this lady 100% "I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about me?"
I love when a woman with cancer decides that because she feels distressed about needing a breast removed due to cancer, that means I don't need mine removed.
I do have to say, I think gender affirming care should be for every one... My cis aunt had to have a mastectomy for her breast cancer and her insurance refused to pay for reconstructive surgery, but I was able to get a gender affirming mastectomy. Insurance should have to cover reconstructive plastic surgery after cancer treatment.
Single payer health care is the answer! I'm in Canada, and both top surgery and reconstructive surgery are covered. It's lovely.
My aunt, a cis woman, who lost her breasts to cancer, has never ever said anything against me being trans, but I still felt so incredibly guilty choosing to have top surgery when my aunt didn't have that choice to keep hers.
If we could donate we would. But your body is your body. Let's say someone is extremely fertile but doesn't want kids, and so uses birth control etc in order to not get pregnant. Should that person feel guilty for not using their fertility while there are people who want to have children but can't? No.
Or a person trying to lose a few pounds while there are people dying of malnutrition on the globe. Should those people feel guilty for losing weight while there are people starving? Of course not. We are each our own selves and own bodies. This isn't a zero sum game where every top surgery results in a cis woman losing her breasts. There is no correlation.
I'm not trying to attack you. Just show that this lady's post and that attitude is not based on reality.
would you feel guilty about getting a promotion because someone else was recently fired?
@@rickmel09 honestly, probably. I have trauma and I'm in therapy. Currently, my mom got screwed over and ghosted by her doctors, and now she is waiting for a new patient appt and is out of refills on most of her meds. She is depressed and in pain. I felt a pang of guilt taking my meds in front of her today.
@@CorwinFound no, they "shouldn't" feel guilty. But that doesn't make my brain feel less guilt. If I could logic my brain out of being dysfunctional, I wouldn't need therapy and anti anxiety meds.
16:03 should be “you own your body, it is a part of you, but you are more than your body too.”
Its not just transmen who don’t feel great about having boobs. I’m AFAB, agender, and have a G cup. I’ve had a consultation about getting a breast reduction, but I was told I’d have to lose a LOT of weight first. I’m also in recovery from ED, so now I’m fighting the urge to restrict my eating again.
8:25 people get top surgery or breast reduction because their breasts aren’t a beloved part of their body or they’re causing them issues health wise (mental or physical). Would this person get upset at a cis woman who wants a major reduction because her big boobs are causing her extreme back pain and a lower quality of life? Also with top surgery, there is still some breast tissue left, with a mastectomy, there isn’t. If anything top surgery would be closer to a more extreme version of a breast reduction, that may or may not include chest masculinisation.
I'm ancient, well gen X, and cis-ish but with trans people in my immediate circle. So I see 3 camps in my generation amd above. As a whole, we were massively uninformed about anything linked to sexuality or gender (despite being pre section 28). Cis-het was the norm/ideal, so if you could manage to live that way, it was expected that you would, or that you'd face the long list of negative consequences.
Now that many of us have adult kids, access to way more information especially via the internet, the 3 groups I see us falling into is (by the way I'm AUDHD, hence the research attitude) -
1) Ohhhhh, that explains so much... I don't think I'm who I thought I was, how interesting, tell me more!
2) oh shit, I might not be "normal" I'd better attack others to cover this up and reassure myself I'm not one of them.
3) hey that's interesting, I'm still exactly who I thought I was.
To be clear, I don't think all terfs are closetted but I suspect a lot of them are either scared that they might be, or have had slurs and insults used on them in the past that are based on gender and/or sexuality, so they've been angry and defensive about it most of their lives.
If there's no such thing as trans, then nobody can "accuse" them of it. A lot of the online female terfs don't look stereotypically feminine, so I'm sure they've had bullying about that in school, or been briefly mistaken as boys or men. Their solution is hateful and genocidal, when what they actually need to do is speak to more trans people and maybe consider therapy, then fight the damn patriarchy that put them in that position in the first place. Gen X only ever had a minority of politically and socially active people and it's about the same percentage in my kids' generation. Sadly you are having to fight the exact same battles we did plus extra because of active and loud transphobes. I see bodily autonomy being stripped away and we hadn't even fully got it yet. Right wingers are trying to take us back to an imaginary society based on 1950s tv programs and advertising.
Oh and "I am my boobs" person trying to stop other people's top surgery - who was she before puberty then?
I'm pretty sure this is how science used to work where people just kind of make stuff up and go like "yeah that sounds right"
Sounds like the opposite of what science is. The anti science coming from the right is crazy.
If I can ever get top surgery depending the outcome of November, im gonna go without nipples so I can avoid any possible nipple graft complications and when im healed enough, get a 3D nipple tattooing.
Ive had a 2 time breast cancer survivor aunt (who passed from covid) who i miss very much, but with this terf, i have very little sympathy that the point is hitting her in the face and she’s still dumb to the obvious.
When i was 11, back in the 90’s, i too wished to get breast cancer just to get them removed, but my ex mother yelled at me in front of my pediatrician. And being the naïve little shit i was as a kid, i had to rolled over into my ex mother’s gender control since i didn’t know the language to express who i am till i was 30, when a former friend explained to me what non-binary is.
My best friend ( cis male) passed from Metastatic Breast Cancer last year. Sex specific illness? How ignorant can these people be?
I'm trans and I agree about not being psyched about surgeries. But it's just necessary mostly. 👍
I hate the way some of these people talk about breasts. It's just always creepy.
When facing a potentially life-threatening illness like this you’d think people would take stock of their priorities and focus on the things that bring hope, joy and love into their lives. To instead devote yourself to incoherently ranting about people you know nothing about and don’t have the curiosity necessary to learn anything about is just so sad. What a waste of a life.
No one enjoys surgery, but my top surgery was well worth the temporary discomfort. I asked for a complete mastectomy (no nipples; they never had any sensation in them anyway, except pain from chafing on my shirt), but the surgeon kept referring to it as an extreme breast reduction, and said that the word "mastectomy" is reserved for people with breast cancer. I'm still unclear on the purpose of the distinction if it's the same procedure. Testosterone has given me decent pecs, so my chest isn't concave.
I'm trans and I say and legitimately believe I was born in the wrong body.
Lux said Mindfulness has a bad reputation but as someone who follows DBT I don't understand. Can someone clear up what it means by that?
People think of mindfulness as being equivalent to meditation, like it's about clearing your mind and focusing on your breath and most people can't do that, and they don't know that there are like a million different ways to do mindfulness so they end up ignoring the entire practice based on that one version they've experienced. They also haven't been taught that the exercise is in bringing your attention back to the thing, so if your mind wanders and you notice that and bring your attention back, that *is* the mindfulness exercise, so the more your mind wanders the more you get to practice the actual point of the exercise
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I love my boobs as a cis woman but I don't see why this means you can't emphasise with people who feel differently. A lot of TERFs need therapists but ones who will call them out on their bs.
When I had my first Mammogram they did the who vague callback. There are some concerning shadows, come back in 6 months for another scan. Then they postponed my appointment de to over scheduling. I was freaking out and crying for a day or tow, until I did some research and saw that they were likely nothing. Still worried for the whole year and a half I had to wait.
It was that experience, and severe distress they would take my HRT has become the moment I look to anytime I feel impostor syndrome. Everything checked fine at the follow up thankfully.
Imagine using this "you are your body" stuff to rail against body mods and tattoos etc. "My skin is me, if I ink it, I taint my self." "Piercing my ear is piercing my body, my body is Me, ergo I am being stabbed." This is how goofy this is.
The levels of utter self obsession displayed in that essay is wild. Like, imposing her experience onto not only trans people, but also disabled people, also literally every other person who has any other illness that causes their body to develop or function in a way that doesnt align with their self perception, also multitudes of other groups of people for whom their body doesnt align, its just absolutely wild to see someone so confidently speak about something that have absolutwly no comprehension of, while her body is literally dragging her into a position of actually experiencing what so many others of us have spent our lives dealing with. The worst part is, the people who would be most actually able to understand and relate, are the same people she is alienating with this absolute garbage.
I want top surgery, and I would still be really upset if I got breast cancer. I would be upset if I got any kind of cancer. I mean, it's cancer. I can't wrap my head around how she can put cancer and transition into the same basket. (I still have to watch the rest of the video. Just stopped to make a comment.)
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My mom had a chest port while she was undergoing chemo for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. She survived the cancer and was in remission for 9 years when she passed away from NAFLD caused largely in part due to the chemo.
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Ok, I see where she's coming from. She's so close to getting it, and then she veers right over the cliff.
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The mere thought of having surgery, any surgery, absolutely terrifies me. I had a tubal sterilization after 2 kids because I knew I was done, but it took me 2 1/2 years of having an IUD to mentally and emotionally prepare for that surgery. I've longed to have a flat chest since puberty, and my breastfeeding years (~2 years for each kid) were the only time I felt any appreciation whatsoever for my breasts because they served an actual useful purpose for a change rather than just being in the way and attracting unwanted attention. Otherwise, I've merely been tolerating them all these years, and the older I get, the more intolerable they become, and the past 5 years, they've become so intolerable that I'm seriously considering surgery, despite my fears. This lady has no idea the amount of soul-searching people go though before making these kinds of decisions.
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Also, if I knew then, when I got my tubal sterilization, what I know now, I would've pushed for a full hysterectomy instead, but everyone told me it's bad to go thru menopause when you're 26, but damn, I could've saved myself years of painful, debilitating periods. Plus, the hormone changes of menopause did wonders for me emotionally. I feel so much more at peace with myself. I think it's probably because my post-menopausal hormone levels are more congruent with my actual gender (agender). In the late 90s, people couldn't even fathom nonbinary transitions, and I certainly didn't want to transition to male. However, if nonbinary transitions were on the radar back then, I think would've transitioned years ago.
I think it's really unfortunate that while she takes the idea of a mastectomy incredibly serious, she presumes trans people treat top surgery as casual and frivolous. If she'd ever actually talked to a trans person about their surgeries, she'd know how seriously it's usually taken and how much time and money and thought goes into these decisions.
Why do people use their stories to generalize for everyone else's experience?
30:27 yes, if you tell me tomorrow that i have a zero pain zero recovery time ability to just wake up tomorrow as a woman, I'm in. Right now, fear of anesthesia and pain are enough to keep me at a HRT only experience of my correct gender.
i have two thoughts. even when i was a young child, i strongly felt as if i was born wrong. the wrong body idea feels accurate.
as for surgery... if i could just wake up with the correct body for me, that would be awesome. but. i guess because i am waist deep in the process of obtaining vaginoplasty, i am more concerned with the reality than the fantasy.
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