Con-Sub: Housing Snakes in Tanks vs Tubs
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2018
- For this week's Controversial Subject (ConSub), we discuss whether it's better to house snakes in glass tanks or plastic tubs! Learn about the pros and cons of each, and what we do with our snakes!
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When you binge watch Snake Discoveries and you don’t own a reptile 😂
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No need to call me out 💀
I have 1 reptile but none of them are snakes. I have always wanted a snake
lol, I was researching for my hermit crabs when I found this channel.
Yeah I binge watch this
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Still not disabled 😂
Same
I did exactly the same
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🤔🤔 this is honestly the first “controversial” video in which they mention possibly disabling comments, where the entire audience ACTUALLY listened and respected each other’s and the comment section is still enabled
that means the community is awesome though ^^
Your comment is respected 🤣
First time that's ever worked
yeah
Yes yes it is
I've done a lot of research on this debate, and my opinion has landed on: both can work as long as they're set up properly. If you want to house, say, a ball python, in a glass tank, as I do (I prefer having front-closure enclosures because they are easier to spot clean because I'm short AF, as well as the fact that snakes CAN get stressed out if you're constantly reaching at them from above them), it is going to be MORE work to maintain temp and humidity, but it can be done. As for the all-glass sides making a snake feel less secure, I black out three sides. The back, the left side, and the right side. you can use anything from black construction paper, to black foam board insulation (or white, just paint it) that you can buy at pretty much any hardware store (which does help glass terrariums hold heat a bit better, as well).
As for the idea that you need to keep getting larger tanks for, say, a ball python, because a larger tank can stress them out when they're younger, I've found that as long as you have a sufficient amount of hides (I have three - a hot hide, a cool hide, and a humid hide) and clutter, it doesn't really cause an issue, since there's plenty small spaces for them to hide if they need or want to. My girls eat well, shed well, and are pretty damn happy, and neither of them are full grown yet (one hatchling and one sub-adult), but they're in enclosures that are sized for what they'll be as adults.
Honestly, as long as you provide proper husbandry for your snakes, I don't care what you keep them in. As long as your noodle children are happy and healthy, it doesn't really matter.
What about day/night lighting? I have a lamp on a timer overlooking my snakes and geckos to simulate night and day, would the snake rack system not require light, or would the light that comes in be enough? Does it even matter?
Hi! I recently bought a glass tank for my baby ball python and I’m just wondering how you keep up the proper temperatures and humidity needed? I’m having a bit of trouble here, so anything is useful :)) thank you!
@@audrey2160 Heat mat with a thermostat that controls the heat mat, and for substrate I use eco earth/forest floor mix as it holds humidity well and isn't prone to mold.
Btw if u show a snake a pengus, it will say blubba glub wubba dub!
@@SmokeyEdits Don't need it, but it does not hurt. An LED plant light just in the same room is a good choice - low wattage, no heat, plenty of light. It does not have to be over the cages, just in the same room. I have bred snakes using light in the room and no lights, did not seem to affect their behavior one way or another. For certain diurnal snakes like garter snakes, green snakes - you would want a day/night cycle. But for most commonly-kept snakes, no.
I have a solution
Glass bins
Mind = blown
Oml I laughed and scared my cat help
*GENIUS*
OWO
Woah
I love how you are so proffessional and yet so friendly and sweet at the same time :)
I love her.. She's awesome
And very skillfull in teaching and snakekeeping and organizing all in one. You are quite a work of art!😊
I love how she’s respectful of all opinions. Some People get so negative when talking about things they don’t agree with. Emily always makes positive and negative points to both sides, instead of forcing her opinion on us.
I love snake discovery videos. I used to go through so many websites and videos to get the best advice when it comes to keeping reptiles. I came across this channel a few years ago and it has made my life so much easier
I am so glad you've made this video. I can't even count how many times I heard that "snakes don't need much space" or that "snakes don't need to stretch out."
WHAT
Over a year in and we still have the comment section, good stuff team 😂
😂😂
Yes
Now 2 years
Two years now
We’re still here pal 🙃
I just upgraded my ball python to a tub two weeks ago, and it is so much better than his tank! His humidity rarely drops and it was so much cheaper than his 30 gallon.. it’s almost double the size and it was only $11
good for you!
Kieran Kowalski ,I am gonna try her humidity box... my ball python loves to climb up branches & across vine & basks, so personally not an option for him. He loves to watch us & movies...lol....I sprits his terrarium & always have water pool for him...always watching the humidity
you are so lucky to have a snake, I only dream of having one
I'm planning to do the same. What size of tub are you using?
You got a link to the tub you got? Any escapes?
In Europe we mainly use terrariums with sliding glass doors, I've personally never seen a glass tank with screen lid here. Also with some reptiles they get really stressed if they're approached from above. So personally I think that front opening enclosures are better than glass tanks and tubs
The Exo Terra terrariums open from the front and have a removable screen top!
The downside to sliding glass doors is that the reptile may end up getting out if you're not careful when opening the door. When I had a bearded dragon she ended up getting overly excited when I was about to feed her her favourite food. When I opened the door she recognised the container and leaped right out and fell onto the floor as I didn't expect that behaviour from her. She ended up being okay despite the fall but I made sure to prepare for that behaviour in future.
Yeah that's something I've noticed with US reptile youtubers as well. I'm from germany and personally I only use wooden vivariums with front doors. I think they do a better job with temperature (and humidity when you seal them with resin) and are overall better looking. Big plus is that the animals feel more secure and are easier to handle. At least in my opinion.
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@@MAndSquared move it to a table where there isnt a ledge. i keep my 'caged pets' on a large desk that has room on all sides in case of accidents
Thank you for saying bins are ok only when there large enough. Like I often hate on bins because most people who keep racking systems (especially large scale breeders *cough cough Bryan cough cough*) don’t keep them in large enough spaces. Like paper towel and a water dish is all that’s in the cage and I’ve seen snakes not even be able to fit around the water dish and they have to squish into the other side
Aradia 66 he’s has larger snakes in enclosures the smaller baby ones are in the rack
john mankowski not all I’ve seen plenty that are large in those tiny bins. I feel bad for them
So true.
Brian is a snake breeder, he usually ships out the snakes that he gets.
why is life Brian is terrible. He keeps 14+ ft snakes in those tubs with just news paper on the bottom. Do more research on him. Watch vids about him, not from him. I feel so sorry for his reptiles
My mom transformed an entire dish cupboard into a glass door boa constrictor climber and shed easy snake kingdom
That's cool!
(OoO hello Warriors fan.)
Do you have a pic?
@robin egg that’s so cool!
robin egg ....do you have picture or video of your moms snake kingdom ....would so like to see!!!
No I dont have a picture, my mother left due to domestic violence before I could see :(
Can you do a beginners guide for kids or a beginners video with best snakes for kids please? (By kids I mean older children like 10+) My kid (she's 13) really wants to get a snake and I think that mine and her research along with your video, she could get a small snake.
Macaroni Cheesecake
Cornsnake! Very good and easy to handle beginners snake. Also doesn't get too big. :) But I agree. I'd like to see that video too.
Sand boa would be pretty good if you buy them trained on frozen mice they only grow to 2 ft long
I always recommend corn snakes. They're, docile, great to feed, don't get too big and are super cool. Plus they come in oranges which is pretty neat!
My personal recommendation for a good beginner snake is a corn snake. I've never had a corn snake skip a meal. Ball pythons tend to do so.
Look for the channel Clint's Reptiles. His videos specialize in pet care and advice, with lots about whether a specific species of animal would be right for you.
I house my ball python in a tank with the lid covered in foil tape. It's more work to maintain humidity, but it works for me. Doesn't matter if you use a tub or tank as long as you provide proper husbandry.
Jason Repp THIS🙏 I respect this, I keep mine in clear plastic tubs, but the tubs I use are 3 foot by 1 foot by 1 foot, plenty space for even a female ball python to live in, I want a Boa and that’ll probably be the only snake in a proper enclosure since u can’t get 6 foot plastic tubs haha. As long as the tub or tanks the size it should be, proper humidity, heat, hides and substrate then really now one can moan....
I so agree!
Wtf is husbandry when it’s at home
Jason Repp very well said
NUTHINGX if you look around after christmas they usually sell larger longer tubs made to store christmas trees
Ed"No,I want to go in your sleeve!"
Aiyana Sisk yes someone else noticed
This video really helped me understand tank enclosures and whatnot.. I personally dont have a snake (yet!) But I have a special needs bearded dragon.. he was abused as a hatchling by children and never given proper lighting so he developed MBD in his front feet and a fear of all people. I took the little guy in and renamed him Merlin.. he went from a 20 gallon small enclosure with terrible bedding to what I think is a good enclosure for him.. he has a 75/80 gallon now but since he was basically stunted by the tiny tank it's very big for him.. he has a hammock now and LOVES it.. also a nice basking hide with a flat top for basking and an area to hide under with a cool hide and hammock on the cold side.. I added a small plastic tree kinda bask on the heat side recently to let him climb.. I am hoping to have a reptile room of sorts and own a couple snakes or maybe a gecko or two.
Good man
So here's my two cents. From what I've seen the online opponents of bins usually aren't so aggravated about the idea of bins on their own.
They are actually more concerned with undersized bins and bins that have no enrichment ie hides, stones, burrowing material, rocks and plants.
There is a huge difference between newspaper and a water dish in a bin and a properly sized bin with hides and enrichment materials. In my opinion a bare-bones bin is really only justified in a temporary quarantine situation.
It should also be noted that an aquarium with no enrichment/hides is just as bad, if not worse.
I think the heart of this particular conflict in the reptile community boils down to how much does a pet reptile actually need to be kept healthy and happy versus alive and how much do we owe these animals in our care? Does a breeder who is only going to keep the snake until it sells really need to invest in the additional cost of enrichment materials or is a very basic tub enough? What if the animal doesn't sell as quickly as they'd hoped? What about breeders that show their tubs online via social media and state or imply that a lesser standard of care is acceptable for the long-term home of the snake? Should we be holding these people accountable for demonstrating a different standard of care then we expect from a pet owner? Does a person who owns 50 snakes have a different acceptable minimum standard of housing/care then a person who has 2 - 3 snakes?
These are the questions that I see reptile owners arguing over online. And as much as I know it can be stressful and there are good and bad keepers on both sides of the argument, I think in the long run this is good for the hobby and the care of our animals. Asking if we can do more to enrich the lives of the reptiles in our care it's a good thing. And long-term I think it will lead to better care overall for the reptiles we keep.
If there's one thing I think the discussion could use more of, it's fact-based science. I'd like to see studies that measure stress levels in reptiles in different types of enclosures. I'd like to see repeatable reliable methodology and results in those studies. I'd like to see biologists in the wild comparing species-specific behaviors to their captive counterparts needs. Frankly I just don't think this is a subject that gets enough study in academic circles for us to have a clear picture of how enrichment affects our reptiles in captivity.
For my own part I personally feel that proper enrichment can't hurt. It seems improve the lives of other captive species. It's a standard in zoos of quality around the world. Plus doesn't have to cost much. You can find sticks and rocks in your own backyard for snakes to climb on and rub against. Once they're sterilized they're perfectly safe. I use a nest camera on my ball pythons enclosure to see what she uses at night when she's most active. Then I give her more of that. I think so long as we're dedicated to improving the lives of the animals in our care, we're going to find the best options for our individual(s) in the end.
Vanessa I totally agree with adding a little something extra to the tub. I put a fake plant in each of my balls' tub so they have a different texture than just the newspaper. And if a hide fits, they also get a hide. Someone recently said that climbing objects for ball pythons aren't necessary because in the wild they only climb to mate/eat/or stressed, etc...then she claimed that these climbing objects increase stress for balls since they associate them with danger. But I think, all these ball pythons we keep as pets have never been in the wild, have never had to deal with such stress, and would not associate these objects with something dangerous since all they've ever known is gentle loving care. I'm all for reptile enrichment, change it up, give them something new to explore once in awhile.
Sticky Feets interesting. The logic makes sense.. My own ball python will climb about 12" high in her own tank. We keep it low so that if she were to fall, she couldn't hurt herself too badly. I've read studies that suggest that young ball pythons climb a lot more in the wild than was previously thought because they eat a significant number of birds as sub adults.
Vanessa oh really? That I haven't heard of...my babies are much better climbers than my chunky adults lol
I made an "enrichment ladder" (basically sticks with fake leaves glued on them) for my balls to climb. I just hover underneath them like a firefighter in case they fall. It's kept right neck to the rack so if I open their tubs and they want to come out, they make a beeline for the ladder...I have to hold them back sometimes cuz some are really quick about it and then it's a mess trying to unravel them from all the rungs
Damn, I want to applaud you for that, you hit the nail on the head when it comes to the tub/tank controversy. I actually keep pictures of my tub setups nowadays so I can show people that snakes can be set up well in one with suitable space and enrichment, fake foliage, climbing rods, extra hides, bark pieces etc. Its all good stuff, I even see some of my ball pythons using them during their rounds at night (Despite the reptile industry insisting that they're all just pet rocks), one male in particular seems to think he was a tree python in another life.
It changes their perspective most of the time, but still I get some people putting their own thoughts into the argument saying "That doesn't look nice, a snake wouldn't be happy living in that!" Mate, the snake doesn't give a shit what it looks like XD
I also wish there were more academic studies into reptilian behavior and environmental stressors, if I ever became a herpetologist that would be one of the main topics i'd want to research.
Panzaeron Q there definitely could be more research done...unfortunately I chose the med school path so not really any time to conduct any studies lol. Given the chance, reptiles will use whatever space and climbing accessories are provided for them. I think one reason some people are against tubs is that they see the ones breeders use, who usually keep everything to a minimum...substrate and a water bowl, which is really all the snake needs, but then imagine themselves living in it and think it's horrible. Of course it would be horrible for a human, but for a snake who's main concerns are primitive survival skills, a tub works perfectly fine. Some people don't realize that stuff that you use to decorate a tank can also go into the tubs too, if prettiness is what they're concerned about. It's not completely necessary, but it also doesn't hurt to add in something extra
We use glass and acrilic terrariums with a small sheet of Plexi glass covering a portion of the screen tops and a small computer fan 2"x2" mounted on the lid or side and speed adjusted for each individual tank. This helps both humidity and air circulation. Due to the fact that we dislike cleaning cages and my love of live plants; all tanks are planted with homemade mixed substrates of coconut husk, orchid bark, spagnum moss and a layer of charcoal topped with moss of all kinds (great for humidity), leaf litter, wood, bark, sticks, twigs, springtails & isopods (clean up crew). We have great natural environmental ecosystems tailored to each species and in doing so we get natural behaviors most lose in unstimulating setups. We have very little maintenance requirements on our tanks when setup this way. No changing substrates, cleaning poop and no unpleasant tank smells. Just some light gardening as needed. We love it and they seem to love it, too.
Love God Bob : Id love to see you do videos on your setup!!!
Josette Taylor I don't do videos personally but you can find them on RUclips with search term: bioactive terrarium. I learned the humidity trick from videos done about bioactive terrariums for green tree pythons. 🐍🌱
Oooh fancy
This is the way to go. Harder to setup, but easier to maintain in the long run. Plastic tubs with paper is just lazy.
this is awesome i would love to do this when i have my own place again... times are hard gott go back to college lol
Emily: *snakes need room to stretch out and we have seen people put big snakes in way too small enclosures*
Brian: 👀
Us: 👀
Emily: 👀
the care more about profit then there snakes
I’m confused with that comment
@@dallasmythe22 Brian Barczyk is a reptile youtuber who has some very questionable practices including keeping pythons in racks way to small for them
davey Konijnenberg Who? Then?
This is something that only someone who knows a thing or two about reptiles would understand
The captions you put in your videos are so cute and endearing!
I don't even have snakes yet, but I'm excited to use this information in the future!!!
OceanSprinkles I also will be getting a snake in the future name Fuji a female ball python!
Same
Fuji The Snake did you ever get her?? 😃
Same as me
Same
i don't have a reptile but i love channel
Same bro
We have two salamanders and a fish. We (me and my 5 year old son) love watching your videos!!!
Same
Everly Reed same
I only have one and it's a leopard gecko, but I'm trying to convince my mom to let me get a snake
I like how the snake in the lady's hand changes mid-conversation every minute or so.
I am honestly surprised the comments are still up. Ppl can be so violent when it comes to expressing their opinions online 😅
Ikr lmao
I don’t think it matters what you keep then in as long as the snake is happy and healthy I feel it’s fine ( but that’s just me)
well they do need a semi good container cause it will keep them healthy and do other good things not against your opinion .
JASON VOORHEES although it's true that we do keep snakes for our own selfish enjoyment, I would imagine that certain (mostly smaller) species, if well taken care of, are just as happy in captivity as they are in the wild. There are no predators, fewer stressors, no parasites, and better regulated temperatures in captivity than in the wild. It's like the difference between a human having to live in the middle of Jurassic Park vs having to live in a sheltered appartment with a fully stocked refrigerator. That being said, I am against keeping/importing wild-caught animals for our own enjoyment, and I believe that most larger species (retics, nile monitors, etc) are much better off in the wild.
@JASON VOORHEES dont be ignorant its not like all snakes ever are sad in captivity
@JASON VOORHEES pussy boi
@JASON VOORHEES they r smol branes and plip plop
I think bins/racks are more efficient if you own several snakes, but if you only have a few, or are willing to do the extra maintenance, then go ahead. But watch for any signs of stress or health issues.
Lorelei My opinion your very right multiple snakes it's more efficient or when breeding but tubs don't do pretty snakes justice
Lorele I am afraid of snakes ,I don't know who put this on my phone but really how do I get rid of it?
I din’t watch the vid yet but I trust you
Lorelei that is a very smart way to think about it
Lorelei yep
I remember a guy who used to babysit me and my brother had a huge, blind ( Caused By original owners) and he kept in one of those large old TVs that were like six feet tall. He hollowed it out and it was pretty good. And the snake was pretty happy.
Micaela Tweedt omg what a creative idea
What snake?
Great tips! I’ve been having a hard time keeping the humidity in my glass tank where I’d like it to be and the damp towel worked like a charm! Thanks! Such a fan of your videos!
I have my Kenyan sand boa in a large tub (the exact one shown in the top right corner). During the day he's usually under his substrate, so seeing him isn't as big a deal. He's got enough holes to keep his humidity where it needs to be, and there's enough room for cork logs and plants for him to climb around. (He's a weirdo and likes to climb in the evening, when he actually starts to come out and move around.)
fealubryne wait top right corner?? That's not a kenyan sand boa
How do you keep just one tub? As in, if you know you’re only going to have one snake for a long while where would you keep that tub instead of doing a rack system for multiple snakes?
@@torilallo54 probably on a table. Not all plastic tubs for snakes are made for racks, you can literally buy any type of tub as long as it's big enough to modify for a snake.
I feel like tubs are fine, as long as they provide multiple hides and enrichment. I personally use tanks because I like to see my snakes slithering around and I do bioactive setups.
personally, plastic tubs and glass tanks for me are a no. Wooden vivariums is my go to, holds heat and humidity, making it easier to regulate and of course a nice big front glass window for viewing
Each to their own though :)
I agree with you SO MUCH!
I agree, my wooden Viv has a mesh circle for a heat lamp which is perfect because the bulb is more accessible for maintenance
Yeah wood ones are great as long as you pant or epoxy them so the wood doesn't rot or get moldy
I use tile on the bottom of mine also helps with water proofing the wood
Thanks for the help! We are getting our (son's b'day) first snake (ball python) this month and are so excited...your channel/videos is what helped me be ok with it...I have been saying NO WAY up til now! :-) My son says THANK YOU as well!
I think it actually has more to do with the species you're keeping! For example, a ball python i think would do much better in a bin or a tub than in a glass acquarium. On the other end, many species of colubrids could do perfectly fine in a glass enclosure. So i think overall you should look at your type of snake and his/her housing requirements
good thinking
Wouldn't a ball python do just fine in glass, since the only humidity they really need is a humidity box, and the only real drawback of glass tanks is the humidity problem? Say, if I covered three sides so that they aren't scared, and had a humidity box, they will be fine, right?
@@MouseTheMouseyMouse Your idea is fine if you can keep the humidity box warm. It is better for snakes such as ball pythons which come from sub-tropical areas to have the entire cage or most of it be at the correct humidity. Temperate zone snakes on the other hand do great with a localized humidity source. Also, with glass tanks, unless the screen top is covered properly, much of the heat escapes if the room is cool. Fine for a temperate snake but not for a tropical or sub-tropical snake.
I have a ball python in a glass tank and no humidity issues 🤷🏼♀️ If you know what you're doing it isn't real hard to insure you provide the correct humidity levels.
I think bps do best in a pvc enclosure. that makes them feel secure and it hold humidity well
This is why your channel is growing!! Always educational thank you!!
I have a 6 foot red tail boa in a 8 foot long enclosure and she's happy. With the way she's growing too, we're planning on custom making her a bigger tank too.
I love that she was worried people would be super angry in the comments but it's just a lot of friendly people saying what works for them and what they recommend 😊😊
I know right! I actually read through a lot of the comments and I only found one fight between some people about whether or not Brian Barzyk (spelling?) is a terrible reptile owner. But other than that everyone is super nice and respectful
This was super helpful because I'm getting a snake really soon and I'm doing a ton of research to do what is best for my sake.
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I’m getting a snake in 5
Years when I move out
@@randomizedcontent9461 lmao u got m there
i like snakes, but my mom doesn't want them
my mom is ok with me finding small snakes i cant keep them though and my grandma hates them
Same here
same
Same
My mom has a phobia of snakes but Ice slowly worked her down so sometime this week I hope to get a regular boa
Why would anyone argue or have a problem with this advice. All very logical. Great vid!
I've been doing some research before purchasing a royal python of my own and keep finding myself back on your channel. Your videos are fun and also really informative, so thanks for the info and keep up the good work
I’m really interested in how you set that rack up and how much it cost. Yours is the only one I’ve seem to have found that provided good space and enrichment for the snakes. Otherwise - to be frank - the ones I’ve come across are always the bare minimum in husbandry and it looks more like a collection than living animals. And they get spoken about like the owner can give them up without much care and replace the collection. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and leaves a bad reflection on tub owners in general when thats most of what can be found online. Imo thats why it seems like such a heated debate. If every tub looked nice like most tanks I doubt there’d be much drama.
Again, your racks are lovely. It’s sort of what I’d like to migrate to. I have very few snakes and want them to have ample space and enrichment with the convenience of tubs. Just can’t figure out how to go about it. They seem just as expensive as vivs.
Our 18-slot rack cost about $100 for the shelving unit itself (made up of 2 shelving unit kits from Home Depot), and another $120 for bins and heating. We like how it offers more space for the snakes than traditional racks, and it also allows natural lighting in since the sides aren't covered :)
I have my precious noodle, a garter snake, in a tank. He is a great display animal. I use moss and a damp towel to keep the humidity in the correct range.
I somehow randomly ended up on your channel yesterday and I’ve started to learn a lot about snakes because of your videos! More appreciation for snakes now.
This video has helped me so much. Not only is the bin cheaper, it’s so much easier to keep clean and such.
Personally I think it’s your opinion in which you want to House your reptile in! (As long as you have good reptile husbandry)
RACCOON BANDIT
Great video- I feel like you presented the pros and cons without bias and that should help keepers make their own informed decisions. I personally like tubs because it's easy and cheap to alter the size of the bin as your snake grows. Love your channel!
Everyone, as long as your snake is happy, healthy, and you like it too, it won't matter! Both have been known to keep snakes healthy, and let them live long! ❤
For me it's neither, My adult snakes are housed in 4ft by 2ft or 4ft by 1.5ft wooden vivariums :) though I do have temporary tubs with heat mats at the ready for when I'm cleaning them or making alterations to their environments.
I use tubs because A. I could actually make sure they could NOT get out! B. I was having horrid sheds, so I went to tubs with a humid hide & voila! Perfect whole shed! C. I did give enrichments; but the tub was easiest to clean, so bacteria is at a minimum. I believe tubs are for the snake; glass aquariums are for the human.
Princess EvilEye Do you use heat pads? I want to use a tub and I have a Zoo Med 30 gallon heat pad (the tub is about 30 gallons). I'm worried it will melt, any tips?
Heat Mats need to monitored just as carefully in tank or tub. They don’t melt tubs ( not in MY PERSONAL experience: I suggest starting a bit smaller and ALWAYS use a thermostat, thermometer & analog thermometer. If all are in 1-3 degrees of each other? You should be gr8!) I use Vivo’s seedling mats now. They are the safest because their coils are covered by thicker vinyl. They only require 1 thermostat & definitely do NOT melt tubs! I always use Zoo Med Thermometers with probes along with because they’re a backup accurate! ***cracked tank glass is MORE common than melted plastic; oddly enough! I believe it’s because people feel safer using larger mats. Hope this helps!
My pythons are staying in tubs for the same reason, originally I was just gonna keep them in the tubs when they were juvies but when I moved my first female into my wooden viv cabinet she escaped through the vents multiple times, after a month I just put her back in her tub and she's stayed put and happy XD
princess evileye
My snakes also are tub animals for similar reasons. They began in tanks with the person I got them from and my word did they have terrible sheds when they came to me. I switched to tubs immediately. Now they have sheds that are absolutely phenomenal. Honestly I have yet to see any tank BP come even close to having as good of sheds as my tub bps do.
Jesse W. That's because BPs need a certain humidity maintained. Tanks would probably work just fine without shedding issues for species like Kingsnakes or Corn Snakes. The former tends to live in more arid environments. Not sure on Corn Snakes. I hear both are pretty forgiving when it comes to heat (within a certain range) and humidity.
I want a video on how you guys set up your rack system because it looks affordable compared to others.
Buckeye Husky Most rack systems come with heat installed already. The heat tape runs underneath the tubs, usually on the back end. You just plug it into a thermostat and you're good to go. Warm end is where the heat tape is, cool end on the opposite side. Depending on how the rack is made there may be a large gap between the top of the tub and the next shelf, or no gap at all. This is why some rack systems still require you use the lid of the tub to secure the snake...most however are made to allow a tiny gap for ventilation and that's it.
Sticky Feets I used Google and found some sources on RUclips and forums, I was speaking specifically towards the shelving unit they probably purchased from Home Depot. Thanks
Buckeye Husky Ohhh, yeah sorry, I've seen these in person before..,it's usually heat tape that runs on the shelf, just like a manufactured rack system. You can purchase a long strip of heat tape and wire it to a plug. It's supposedly a lot cheaper to install your own heat tape with a shelf than buying a rack. But you have to know how to wire it, like solder wires from the tape to a plug that goes in an outlet. There's a guy that vends at all the reptile shows I go to who wires everything for free if you don't know how to do it. Maybe you can find a similar service? Or learn how to wire it online? You basically just end up with a really long heat pad that you zigzag horizontally through the shelves...iono if this helps you picture it...hopefully she can make a video haha
LLL Reptile have affordable Vivarium Racks that includes the heat tape, you only need to provide the thermostat.
www.lllreptile.com/products/34842-vivarium-electronics-ve6-rack
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I think it really depends on how you use enrichment in their enclosure. My baby corn snake is in a bin currently, but she’s got substrate to burrow in, leaves, branches, rocks, tons of hiding places, and enough room to stretch out completely on one side. Depending on the species or the snakes own tendency, you gotta give them stuff to do!
Just wondering, do you have a heat mat or a heat lamp?? I want to get a heat lamp but don't know if drilling a hole in the lid is going to be a hassle.
@@stormyXskies my corn snake is currently grown into a glass tank, so I use a combo of both!
I can not thankyou enough. Ive watched most of your videos. I have learnt so much. What you do is fantastic.
I think people have a problem with tubs when they're small with absolutely nothing in there for the snake.
I agree. But when used correctly (roomy tubs, proper hides and substrate), tubs can be wonderful caging for many terrestrial snake species.
all of my reptiles are in tanks but since I have 12 snakes, I'm considering switching my ball pythons to tubs as I have noticed they do spend 98% of the time in their hides, but more then half of my bps have a wobble, I want to make them feel more safe. love this video! really helped me learn towards this decision.
PishyPosh Pets that's the same reason I switched my balls to tubs...they just hide all the time and I rarely saw them haha
Thank you for talking about this! I don’t have snakes but I watch all your videos. I love learning more.
Thank you so much for videos like these! They'll really help out when for when I get my first snake.
I am willing to go the extra mile to make sure humidity and temperature are stable in my tank so that I can see my snakes. You don't hang a picture up backwards because you want to enjoy the beauty of the picture. So why put your beautiful snake in a tub and never get to enjoy their beauty? I know tubs are easier, but easier isn't always better! I really enjoy your videos by the way.That big boa is a beauty! They're my favorite species! Thanks and take care!
David Giddens if that's what you want to do that's great, but for a lot of people the aesthetics of keeping an animal isn't that important. And if it's more important for a person to be able to interact with the animal and give them a good life I think tubs are great
You can always look at your snake when you take it out, and still house it properly, besides depending on the species if your husbandry is correct you won't be seeing your snake often as most species hide most of the time.
David Giddens no one cares
For me, setting up a beautiful bio-active miniature world is half the fun. I have a 75g with just one crested gecko because I love having a little slice of nature in my home: all the plants, “sunlight,” even a little fog when the air gets dry. Big display tanks seem like more of a pleasure for the owner who has to maintain it than for the animal.
I'm planning on getting garter snake(s) and I have been trying to decide if a glass enclosure or plastic bin/tube would work best. I have decided on the glass enclosure because I don't feel comfortable putting a heat lamp on plastic. Also these will be my first snakes so I don't have a ton of other cleaning/maintenance. Thank you for the video! This was very informative and helped me make a tough and controversial decision. I just want whats best for my snakes.
Yeah i agree dude tubs just seem a bit stupid for anyone unless your a breeder or rescue.
If you don't already have the snakes (since your comment was a year ago) I'd recommend not having them as first snakes because they die really easily and are mostly wild caught
@@rhys896 not everyones rich
@@opalites.prophecy yeah but you can get a 20 gallon for under $50 used
Learning how to build my own melamine enclosures has been the best thing ever! I need more!!!
This was very helpful, thanks! I'm looking into buying my first snek and saw how expensive the glass tanks at petsmart were. Bin would also definitely help when I have to drive back up to college
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Ahaha 😂 what do you keep them in
Im getting my first snake, a jungle carpet python in 5 weeks!!! I can’t wait I’m learning heaps from you videos!
For my hermit crabs we put cling wrap over the top of there mesh tank lid. We cover all but one corner and that plus there heat pad plus there water dish keeps the humidity and temp really nice
Glass fronted wooden vivariums work the best for us. Holds humidity just as well as either tubs or glass aquariums and the solid sides adds cover to make the snake feel secure
Plus they easily stack on top of each other
This is exactly what I was looking to see if there was a comment regarding. Thanks! I was wondering if that would work. XD
This was very well thought out, and brings up interesting points on both sides! Needless to say, I think we'll be upgrading our snake's enclosure to a bin (of appropriate size) soon. I always worried about the heat mat melting the bin, but it sounds like there's no issue there. Great video! The bloopers at the end were hilarious :D
We also like the idea of our snake being comfortable more than putting it on display for others to see.. so there's that too ;)
This video was really helpful and unbiased. Thank you! Totes are a really great enclosure for other pets as well. I have two siberian hamsters that i have in the bigger deeper totes to prevent them from escaping. But they have a lot of stimulation and things to climb and burrow with the deeper totes. So now i know I’m not far off for keeping a snake in an adequate tote size enclosure.
I think you do great work. Quality, content and making the most of the video time discussing what the video title says. Thank you.
As long as it's big enough, floorspace wise or height wise depending on the reptile and its humid/heat levels are good and they're taken care of hides/water/food/engagement wise I think its fine
Eh, I've never really went one way or the other on glass vs bins argument. If done properly both can work pretty well from what I've seen with bins, and in case of glass personal use. Even with high humidity requirements it is possible to easily and cheaply modify the glass tank to help it hold humidity. In regards to size of tanks personally I consider the two sided rule a rule of thumb and not absolute. The issue is when people believe myths such as your snake will grow to meet the size of the tank. Especially when they get a large snake say a semi adult boa constrictor and use a 10 gallon tank to house it Then their is bound to be problems at some point or another. Especially, if the owner can't / won't acquire a bigger cage for the animal which is negligence. Most snakes however will prefer to hide for extended periods of time and frankly I rarely see mine fully stretched out.
I also feel that way about the tanks too large argument; since as you said snakes do exist outside which is much larger then any tank. The issue is most likely a failure to adequately add hides and clutter to the tank to make the snake feel comfortable. Therefore the snake feels exposed more often and stresses out more.
I think anyone who argues that bins or glass tanks are better kinda missed the point that issues are usually more reflective of the owner then the actual type of enclosure used. Just my thoughts on the matter. I do think glass tanks look better on average from what I've seen personally.
P.S. Nice Video and channel and I had a wood pecker attacking my houses wall last year lol.
Mrbladeos Yup! Totally agree. I found a way to make a glass tank work for a ball python by using corrugated plastic board to line the inside three walls of the tank and a piece to cover the top with a few ventilation holes. Perfect ambient temp and humidity from just an under heat pad and my snake wouldn't be laying on cold glass if she decided to leave her hide. I switched to tubs because I got more balls, it was easier and quieter for me to check on my snakes without disturbing them too much (lots of metal clanging noises whenever I undid the screen locks), and also I rarely saw her out of her hide so I wasn't really displaying anything in the tank other than fake plants. I would like all my balls to be in pvc enclosures one day cuz I like that look more than a tank, but they cost so much...
You can buy a PVC cage from LLLreptile.com for $249.00 + whatever shipping is on it. Similar price to what I spent on my Exoterra cage. You should check it out when you get a chance.
Mrbladeos I'm planning to get some boaphiles one day when my balls get larger. Exoterras are so expensive for just being a glass enclosure (pvc costs way more than glass in terms of building costs)...
I love you guys! You all are so informative and Crack me up all in just 1 video.
I custom build a wood cabinet sized to fit a tank. This allows me to use a hinged wood lid. Now I have viewing area and better insulation and humidity control.
The way I kinda always thought about it was that tanks were for pets of people who wanted a decoration and companion whereas tubs were for breeder animals/ pets whose humans don't care about decoration and just want the pet. Though I don't doubt there's a possibility that tub people care about appearance......a tub can't look that good. It's a tub. Tanks look much better, no question.
Reptiles can do very well in both, as long as all their needs are being met.
It can be exactly the opposite though. Some folks want to see their snakes all the time and provide no hides or perches and it makes the snake miserable. And yeah there's a lot of examples even on RUclips of breeders who seem to breed snakes like mad but they keep them in tiny bins with no enrichment and then wonder why their snakes hate them.
It is all about finding what is best for your snake and making them happy. Regardless of whether or not you get to handle them or see them often.
I have several snakes, all which are pets for me! I don't breed any of them and I actually use both bins and tanks. Some of my snakes, like my one ball pythons and blood python, are in tubs because I've found they do better shed wise and just seem happier in them as they like to hide. I still interact with them both and keep their bin well decorated for their needs. Now my boa, hognose, other ball python, and corn snake are in tanks as they seem to do better in those. They are all in proper sized enclosures and have enough hides/perches/decorations to meet their needs. I would love to have my blood python and ball python in tanks but they honestly do better in the bins, and their needs are more important than my own opinion. So I really guess it depends on the snake but no matter what you use the snakes needs NEED to be met.
i need help i want to get a ball python and i have a 20 gallon tank my parents don’t want to get a tub bc it’s not very pretty . what do you think i should do to make sure the python will be happy and healthy?
gAbY diAz I’m no expert, but a 20 gallon tank seems small for a ball python unless it’s super young and you’re planning to upgrade later on. Most 20 gallons are taller instead of longer, which is what the snake needs. Maybe consider a smaller snake first. There’s a video on this channel regarding best first snakes. Consider a corn snake (although you’re still going to need to get a bigger enclosure as it grows.
If you have one or two pet snakes, I think a glass tank, or custom built terrarium is good. It lets you create an attractive environment that your snake can explore. If you're a breeder and the cage is just to house the snake, and you have lots of them, plastic tubs might make more sense.
Hey Snake Discovery! Heat lamps can work on an all plastic bin so long as theyre not snacked in and kept in a locking lid tub. I use a heat matt and a ceramic heat emitter along side a heat matt with a dual input/output thermostat for my juvenile hydrid brazilian/columbian rainbow boa to control both the temperature gradient and hot spot at the same time. Works great, shes a super happy/healthy snake and a great eater in this setup. Let me know if you want more details!
I got my first snake 3 and a half weeks ago I learned so much for most of your videos love the account like I said learn so much from you and my snake is loving it
I have a wooden viv for my Snale with a glass front. She has a cave and cool side, a warm high spot and a warm low spot. It has a humidity checker inside and when it gets a little low all i usually have to do is mist and the fabric parts hold in the moisture enough to make it shed-easy
Hmm, I see everyone played nice in the comments 2 years ago.
In my opinion, keeping snakes in tubs is easier than keeping them in tanks in different ways, but there’s a lot of advantages that come along with tanks. With tanks, it’s easier to keep temperatures up and easier to observe reptiles in them. With tubs, it’s easier to hold humidity and sometimes warmth. Tubs seem good if you don’t want to spend much money on husbandry for a single snake, especially if you’re looking forward to breeding them and keeping more than 4 snakes in separate enclosures. I prefer tanks over tubs because I only have one snake at the time but if I ever get more than 3 or 4, I’ll be keeping them in bigger tubs.
I was just wondering this as ill be picking up my hatchling in a few weeks. Love the vids! Ive learnt alot
I have been watching this channel for a year and know i really want to get a garder anake and you have taught me alot thank you snake discovery
Issues like humidity are why I love hognose snakes. In my opinion, they’re sort of the happy medium between ball pythons and corn snakes - for the most part they have the pros of both species.
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Thanks for this 😃 there is so much conflicting information it’s hard to no what is best and this has helped a lot
Great video. I appreciate all the info. I'm getting ready to buy my first snake! I plan to get a Mexican Black Kingsnake.
I had made beautiful natural vivariums for my snakes. I found it hard to keep proper temp and humidity. I just made my racks and my snakes are all eating better and seem happy. I can not see them as well, but their health is more important than my enjoyment.
Punk Rock Girl !!! Hehe, I found the opposite. It was easier for me to see my snakes and check on them in a rack system than tanks. With tubs, I just pull it out and pick up the hide if there is one. With tanks, I have to mess with the screen locks, which is loud and probably scares my snakes...so I only use tanks for my colubrids since they're not as easy to spook.
Sticky Feets Tanks are simply the easiest to observe your snake in, their visibility has nothing to do with the screen locks but with the glass. Why would you opening the locks prevent you from observing your snake, when you're not even trying to open the enclosure? Even if you were opening the enclosure, you could lift up the hide just as you would in a tub. There are also many glass and plastic enclosures that don't use screen locks, and give you the ability to see through the material. I get that you support rack systems, but don't attempt to make up dumb reasons to support them.
natalie r I never saw my snakes in the tanks cuz they were always in their hides. So in order to check on them I'd have to take off the screen lock and look under each hide. For me using a rack has made it so I can check on every one of my snakes in less than a minute. I'm able to do it even when I'm rushing in the morning to leave, when I get home, right before I go to bed. It's also easier for me to see if they peed or pooped so I can clean them out sooner
Sticky Feets The majority of snakes stay in their hides during the day anyways, or if you don't provide an adequate amount of hiding areas and foliage. You should have those things in the enclosure if you use a tub anyways, so your statements regarding that don't make sense. You can still check on your snake in less than in a minute if its in a tank or similar enclosure. Why would a tub be easier for you to see if there is waste in the enclosure, if you can't see through it? Compared to walking up to a tank and looking? Your logic is backwards and is flawed. You haven't given any actual reasons as to why tubs are easier or better, you're just making shit up.
@@natalier4053 Whoa. Whoa. You are getting aggressive, sticky Feets has done nothing to you at all. He's saying his snake was hiding in both tub and tank so the glass didn't make it any easier to see. The only thing that made it easier to see was how quickly he could lift up the hide, which was faster when he just had to pull the tub out a couple inches (one simple motion) than removing the heat lamp, the screen, the locks that kept the screen down, etc. Plus the tub was not as deep or difficult to reach into.
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I actually moved my ball python from a tank to a tub because she was stressed and not eating. I moved her from a 40 gallon Exo Terra to a 7 inch tall, foot and a half long enclosure. Guess what? She's eating! Two weeks after I moved her, she ate her first rat since December. She was used to a rack system at the breeder's home so the tub made her feel safer. Great video! Thanks so much for discussing these topics!
@@fionashepley478 she's not an adult! She's not even a year old yet.
Great job covering a very controversial subject!
I didn't even know a tub was a good option for keeping snakes full time ! Wow, this actually really opens up a lot of options for me. I was expecting to have to save up for a year or so to get a glass enclosure
Same here! I've been thinking about using tax returns on one, but I'm seriously starting to consider using a tub for my first instead of a glass tank.
Here's the thing.
Does a tub give some snakes, if setup correctly, everything they need? Sure.
Is it something pleasant to look at for a hobbyist? Absolutely not. What's the point, as a hobbyist, of having a snake if you can't walk by and see it?
Tubs should, in my opinion, be reserved for rescues/breeders, while your average at home hobbyist should aim to setup a pleasant looking, natural feeling terrarium.
This is not question of snake health obviously - just getting the most out of your pet.
@@GeekyMitch I'm a college student with very little money, and my interest in snakes is also in handling and such. I'd probably have to wait a long time to save up the money for what I consider an appropriate glass terrarium, while a tub is a good option for now that I can upgrade later without having to wait enormously long to get a real glass one first 😅
@@yasminenaia2497 Fair enough - though I'd suggest giving a look at craigslist and the like. You can get a 20 gallon setup for very little cash that will meet the needs for many snake breeds for quite awhile.
Good luck!
Thank you! Very informative, just got a juvenile Grey rat snake and trying to prepare for his future enclosure.
I love this video, I keep some snakes in tubs and some in glass. It depends on how humid I am trying to keep said snake... not to mention crested geckos love big plastic tubs for climbing and drinking water off the sides. I use heat pads for all glass or tubs. You rock, great video!!!!
I don’t prefer which one but I use a glass tank and I’m a beginner and I think it’s going pretty well. I have a ball python 🐍 and I just frequently spray water to keep it humid 🙂 but what I do recommend lots of hide in a glass so they feel safe! Hope this helps
Oi if you have to spray water that’s bad try to have doors trust me, snakes get serious health issues from spraying the substrate
I love your videos, thank you for putting them out. It's sad that you have to police comments, that people are so rude.
Super helpful!! You guys always have great information, Thanks!!!
Awesome video exactly the knowledge ive been looking for. Thank you for all you do.
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Snakes dont belong in draws ( my opinion) I like to give as big a space as possible and to try and really recreate where they are from. not just a water bowl and a shoe box hide. I think if we are keeping them in captivity then its our job to do the best we can. not just whats more easy for us to do.
I think a big space is lost on snakes, they don't generally care to live in large spaces - hence why they generally are curled up in the corner, under hides, under the substrate. They need to stretch out, obviously, so the bin or tank needs to be large enough for the size of the snake but if you're more worried about aesthetics that's really more for you than the snake. That said, I prefer tanks because I want to SEE my snake not hide them in a bin haha.
for me. i mainly keep lizards. But my mexican black kingsnake uses all her space and changes spots. I agree with the aesthetics thing. I try to make it look nice but also be good for her. i make all my animal set ups like zoo displays. I just dont see why you would want to keep in a ugly rack system. If its because you have too many then downsize lol In theory you could live in a bedroom all your life. but would you want to haha. i just beleive in options. Not just one or two hides and a bowl saying yeah they dont need much
James Greig I agree I don’t see the point for the racks unless you’re a breeder and it’s more a space issue. I love vivs and prefer a more natural look for sure
owleyes71 I've found that they're usually hiding when we're there to look e.g. during the day. When I go get a drink at night and think to check they're almost all out slowly slithering or crawling around.
The only flaw I see with as much space as possible is the fact you need to heavily decorate it depending on the snake (I.E. Balls get easily stressed with too much open space so it would honestly be more human selfishness than anything if you gave them "as much space as possible").
Love your videos ao much more helpful then others ive seen
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