As someone who witnessed this first hand at E3 2010, my disappointment with the final product was IMMEASURABLE. Thanks for archiving this piece of gaming history!!
And all 3 of them were all so fleshed out, grand, and creative, compared to sticker star and honestly the other two as well. How can you go so far backward in quality?
@CountMonsparkle plus, it's generic design could've likely been a placeholder. Who knows how it would've actually looked like if this was given more time.
And that's the problem with defending Sticker Star. Even after all is said and done, all your efforts were for the sake of a subpar game that literally everyone knows is mediocre at best.
@@TaloneDrake Sure you can, but that shouldn't be the driving force for the future of the series simply because it was the most recent at the time. What makes Sticker Star truly horrible is that it hijacked the formula and prevented objectively better game design for the next decade just for the sake of being different. One lukewarm experiment is fine, but forcing controversial creativity that consistently can't produce objectively positive results among even the most loyal fans is simply nonsensical and purely agenda-driven.
I feel like this direction would have still resulted in the game being seen as an oddity, but it’s still leaps and bounds much fuller than what we saw in the final product.
Would probably end up being seen like how Paper Jam is seen. Paper Jam is still a very fun game, just like all the other Mario and Luigi games but it does have a few slip ups with the plot and world building, as well as the random minigames
yeah but this is much LESS a pain in the butt compared to the final where he was separated in multiple stages and without a guide was basically impossible
I agree I don't get why people are saying "THIS IS 10000X MORE BETTER THAN THE FINAL GAME" Besides the creativity and a random chain chomp partner, the gameplay and the battle system are still similar to the final game.
@ahmedhasan4966”besides the creativity, and the partners, and the original bosses, and the original areas, and the new enemies, and the better graphics, and the interesting looking mechanics. It’s literally the same thing as the final game.” -ahmedhasan4966
So, the general battle system was seemingly sort of the same, with there still being stickers, the using multiple stickers to attack multiple times gimmick, and the “using stickers in the overworld to get to places gimmick.” However, it seems like there would’ve been specific stickers for the overworld, partners would’ve been in game (THE CHAINCHOMP PARTNER IS REAAAAAAL!) and would’ve been able to attack as well, and we finally have footage of the King Mole boss fight, as well as a weird skeleton fish enemy!
True, and they seemingly act the same way attack wise to their TTYD counterparts (the boot that looks like multibounce attacks all enemies in a row like in TTYD), however since we can’t see the bottom screen, we don’t know if you’d select attacks from a menu like in the first two games, or have to use the sticker book and use up stickers like in the full release of sticker star
@@thepainpanda7681 They did say that the partners were removed because it would often conflict with the sticker mechanic, and I do see that. I wondered how the partner would attack with this system at all?
(Sorry about all these seperate comments, I’m on the mobile website so I can’t edit any comments) I just realised, defence wasn’t coded in this build either. Assuming the stats are around the same as their TTYD ones, Koopa troopers should have 1 defence and take one damage from Mario’s jump, but they instead take 2 damage like the Goombas (which have 0 defence) which means he for some reason has 0 defence as well. The health of the Koopa Troopa is seemingly the same still though. And while I’m on the topic of defence, Mario didn’t block once during battle, nor did he use any action commands, though that could also be chalked up to “early build, wasn’t coded in yet” as well
I know that single transition with the switch that expanded the room is more creative then anything thats in the final game. What a waste that they scraped that.
this seems to disprove a theory that Sticker Star was once never meant to have the Sticker consumables in any RPG Formula at all, since even this entirely erased game still uses sticker combat
@@thescarredsinner895with how big that line jump sticker looked compared to the hammer one that actually kind of makes sense, maybe it was a bit similar to how origami king worked?
@@thescarredsinner895that would have been infinitely better to me. Though the issue of not really having a point to battles would still have brought it down for me, but a little less pointless if you didnt have to waste stickers and having to constantly consume
Maybe? I'd guess they'd look like they do now since a lot of the old PM style was inspired by the Super Mario World sprites, and Fishbones look pretty similar now to then. I just thought these are a new, but similar enemy. Wouldn't be the first time, Jean de Filet.
Wow, footage once thought to be lost is real? Ok this is a surreal moment. The footage looks good, makes me wonder if this was the game we ended up getting Sticker Star probably isn't hated as much as it is
Nah. It will definitely still get hated (to a slightly lesser extent) because the battle system and the gameplay, and the battle system are still similar to the final version.
I don’t think a single person in this comment section seems to grasp that the chain chomp being generic could’ve very well been a placeholder before they scrapped partners entirely
What do you mean? Why would they need a “placeholder” before they scrapped partners? They could just not show them off during the preview to get the message across that the game won’t have them anymore. The chain chomp partner being generic doesn’t imply that they were gonna not have partners at all in the final game
The chain chomp literally behaves like a regular chain chomp, though? I doubt they'd actually decorate it, especially since it's the one partner shown in the trailer. They probably thought that Mario carrying a pet dog around wouldn't make sense, especially when the next few entries come out, and partners would clash with rhe sticker theme and they didn't yet have a solution (TOK's solution was pretty bad) therefore they got rid of the idea of having partners.
I think the Chain Chomp partner really clues us in on the design of this prototype: In the first three games a partner's primary purpose is to serve an overworld function, like hitting switches from a far or destroying walls. They're designed with this in mind being function over form (How they act determines how they look). From the gameplay it seems like the Chain Chomp is meant to be a sort of replacement to Kooper/Koops/Thoreau However in Sticker Star and Color Splash much of the early puzzle solving would be replaced by action sequences and the Paperize/Cutout abilities making partners overall useless The second thing to note is that the Chain Chomp never follows Mario around on the overworld from behind like a traditional partner. We only see it once in the overworld when it's using it's ability, paired with the fact that we can see the sticker based gameplay this early on it's likely possible that the partners were their own Stickers/Paperize (similar to enemy cards in Color Splash) in this early gameplay concept before being cut entirely as they got replaced by those two things.
I really enjoy the vibe this version of the game gives off. In fact, it reminds me a lot of the first game on the N64, albeit with modern elements here and there, like the question mark blocks being clearly NSMB-styled. Would've been cool to experience the full version of whatever this game was.
Little did anyone know that this game would begin a division of the Paper mario fans. When it comes to the actual trailer, the original game looks more creative, the enemies, and the environment are more creative compared to the final game. There's also a chain comp partner that exists, which is neat. But besides the creativity and the chain comp partner, it's still Sticker Star. It's a more creative and better Sticker Star, but it's still Sticker Star.
This is exactly how I feel. Even if we got this version, just about every complaint we have now would've been present, minus the creativity issue (maybe).
i mean, the sanitization IS the main reason i dislike Sticker Star, if it wasn't sanitized and felt like a story in the same continuity as the first 3 games I would not mind the experimental mechanics. A good story is motivation enough to move through a game like this to me.
Seeing still screenshots of this trailer is one thing, but I never thought I see this trailer in all of its glory. Glad that this trailer was actually found :)
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 it probably would've felt more Alive plus the more charming look of the game could've drawn more fans into it since the environments are similar to PM64 I know it isn't likely that this could've saved or even fixed paper mario sticker star but it definitely makes it more memorable, the idea of filling your chain chomp dog around is funny
Paper Mario was one of my very first video games ever. I was 5... Now just yesterday was my 18th birthday... This might be the best birthday gift ever... Thank you thank you THANK YOU !!
I mean. there are currently some modders that are trying for idk how many months doing big and small tweaks to the game based on feedback and actually reimagining it like a proper good installment... so i guess there is this to be hyped for. cause i definetly am !
@@WantBadtimeWhen I look at this trailer, It's just a more creative Sticker Star. However It's still Sticker Star. (The gameplay and the battle system are similar to the final game.)
We can't really speak on the gameplay because we can't play it, but on a visual level this is definitely better than the final release. I'm baffled that they would scrap the card castle and colorful cave areas, as well as dropping the unique mole king in favor of the same enemy you fought twenty times but scaled up.
It looks like a pre-alpha Sticker Star to me. The stickers are still prominent in this trailer, and the “partner” doesn’t behave like they did in 64 or TTYD. Sorry, but this trailer doesn’t look any different from Sticker Star to me
@@CosmicTornado1 It actually looks quite different... at least ascetically speaking. The game seemed like it was going to at least have more interesting areas to see like that one card room or that weird pink cave, then just the generic areas seen in NSMB like we have in the final game.
@@CosmicTornado1 mario never defended take a guess on why. It wasn't coded in. So... Guess what else they must've NOT coded in? Exactly! Following Partners! You can see everything looks very unfinished. Even Mario's animations look bad.
Look, I still think the game today is a mixed bag, some good and bad things. But I’m so disappointed we didn’t get this. At least the music in the game is enjoyable.
Okay, after seeing too many people have this thought process, I hope you guys understand the concept of an unfinished product. This is CLEARLY a very unfinished game, especially battles, animations, environments, and UI. Why are you guys talking about the battle system like it was set in stone because to me it just looks clearly unfinished. It doesn't even look like there's action commands yet. Mario's eyes are still open when he jumps on a spiked enemy and cries in pain. The reason this looks so close to the final product is because it's super unfinished. In one of the dev interviews they said the battle system was one of the last things they worked on and it very clearly shows. Too many of you are saying "Ohhh this is the battle system they wanted from the start!!!" when to me that's just not true. It looked like there was a very troubled development cycle after this.
Right. The battle system was never too good to begin with anyway, as it uses stickers in the same exact fashion as the final version, going to show how late it was conceived.
I really like Sticker Star and even before this trailer was fully found and we just saw screenshots of what this game looked like in its early stages, I always thought that this version would've been better than what we got. Even if all the gameplay elements and mechanics in the final game stayed, it still would've been better of it was like this. At least then people would really only hound on the battle system itself and not so much everything else. This version just looks a lot more original, the playing card area, the King Mole boss, I really wish they kept all of this. Seeing as how this was when they were still creating new characters for the game, I doubt the chain chomp here was meant to be a partner otherwise it'd have a more unique design. Feels like you'd have the Chain Chomp as a kind if partner for specific story beats, kinda like in Origami King and if that was their original idea here then they revived it for that game which's pretty cool. Ah well, I'm still glad with the game we got even though I do wish it'd went in this direction. Hopefully one day they'll revive other scrapped things from this like the King Mole. After remaking TTYD though I'm pretty positive they're gonna go back in that game's direction for the next Paper Mario game and have a lot more unique characters again.
Since this is just a preview, I believe that the design of the chain chomp might've been just a placeholder. I doubt that you'd want to use up resources for something that you know could change at any time (and as it turned out, it did).
@@bloopahVIII And yet other things like the mole boss and certain enemies have more unique designs so I disagree. It leads to believe that the chomp was moreso a mission type thing to have rather than an actual partner. Plus nothing seemed to be selectable with it, like it attacks in battle automatically.
What's interesting here is that they had the sticker mechanic this early. You can clearly see a hammer sticker being used at 0:36 meaning Mario had probably no standard attacks at that point too.
I am so confused by the comments on display here. This trailer just shows that the game was meant to have stickers from the very get go, and they seem to function very similarly to how they do in the final game. On top of that, the stages shown are just mostly empty hallways. How on earth are people like "wow, it's so much better than Sticker Star"? Just because there's a King Mole and a generic Chain Chomp partner? Really? None of the actual Sticker Star complaints, like the lack of story or unique characters is shown to have been heading in a different direction in this video. Instead, we just get sub-TTYD level design with sticker battle mechanics.
I am honestly more confused about what Miyamoto saw in the build that made him claim that it was "too much like TTYD". Assuming THIS was the build he played when he claimed that, that is to say.
As someome who unironically enjoyed Sticker Star, this art style was nothing to write home about. The part where the cave expanded, should have stayed. Not that much was changed tbh. The chain chomp and mole boss should have stayed.The pink cave/forest area should have stayed, as it felt creative to me.
I think it's just more the intense hatred for sticker star that people see a rather simple trailer and because it's different they automatically assume it's better. By default of using stickers it'd probably still be pretty bad and discourage actual battling and the like, so you have the core fundamental issue of there being no point of battling still being there, along with it just being a lot more generic than prior games still.
@Goomba1309 I can only assume either they DID start actually making it more like TTYD, or that was referring to a build we've never seen, because, yeah, this ain't it.
I think people are stretching a tiny bit when they say this looks so much better than the final game when it's just a few snippets of gameplay and mostly walking, but I think visually it looks much better than sticker star, and having the partners in battle plus overworld abilities would've been great, though it's hard to say whether this would've actually been better or still just meh like Sticker Star is.
the battle system for one id say is much better, atleast assuming the blue backgriund stickers that are very basic attacks (like the hammer) were infinitely reusable stickers (which would mean you dont need the consumable stickers to fight) so thats already way better becaude youd have something to do other than running while in a battle with no special stickers, the overworld ambients kinda remind me of 64, which outside of tok is the paper mario with best overworld imo, and i really like the color choices they made (seriously, the colors for the overworld environments are SO GOOD!!!) and it seems that to complement the fact you have basic reusable attacks now, stickers were a more scarce resource unlike now whwre you blink once in the game and wuh oh! your book is filled with a trillion useless stickers and koopas are back to their old designs. now, i dont mind any of the new redesigns for the enemies (except for pokeys they look so weirdly soulless in modern pm) but modern pm koopas look like theyre constantly trying to hold in laughter. but this is way more of a nitpick if anything
Looks like the sticker mechanics was planned from the very start...but they ditched everything else including the CHAIN CHOMP PARTNER! I will forever be MAD!
As someone who actually saw this trailer when it came out, my disappointment with the final product is bigger than Kirby"s stomach. I know, wrong franchise, but still.
Holy cow I can't believe this is real, this is awesome! How was this found my god! The most notable thing about it to me is just how similar it is to Sticker Star. Yeah you have the partner, but other then that it's using stickers for attacks, placing stickers in overworld, similar aesthetic to final product, typical Mario enemies. Has me wonder if Miyamoto really changed that much about Sticker Star, or if this video is from after his involvement or something. Very interesting all the same!
“and then mario came out of my 3ds and stole all of the spaghetti in my house and i got very sad but mario said the fuck word and jumped out of the window”
God, i love the environments here. They look so vibrant and colorful. The Card Castle level in particular I'm very sad we never got to see in the final.
Aside from the visuals looking cool, I don't think that there is much of a difference between what this was going for in the gameplay and what Sticker Star went for with the gameplay. The Chain Chomp or any other partners might have been there to make battles less of a pain in the arse and maybe there might have been a Level Up system with the audience at the bottom of the screen, but aside from that, the problems with selecting the enemies on the field look like that they were still there, and the stickers were still consumable one-use weapons from the looks of things.
This is an insane find, but now it makes me wonder if there is a different beta or trailer out there. Looking at the few screenshots that we already had before this trailer was finally fully found there are a few things different or flat out missing. The background and walls of the whomp falling is completely different to the already existing image and footage we had before this. The tilted blue card with the heart on it in the card castle in this trailer is different than the one in the card castle screenshot we already have. In the card castle screenshot its a white card with a spade in it. Also, the screenshot has a goomba hidden behind the diamond card whereas the trailer doesnt. Also we have two screenshots that arent in the trailer. One where mario takes damage because he jumped on a pokey and another one where mario repeatedly jumps on a goomba. The two screenshots that were shown are still kinda in the trailer though. Instead of a pokey mario jumps on a spiny and instead of repeatedly stomping on a goomba, he is repeatedly stomping king monty mole.
Why are the people in the comnents saying this like this was so much better than what he got sure it was better but its barely a thing the gameplay still used stickers
I agree with you. Besides the creativity and the chain comp partner, it's still Sticker Star. It's a more creative and better Sticker Star, but it's still Sticker Star and it was always meant to be a Sticker Star.
@ahmedhasan4966 It would probably have a lot of the same gameplay issues, but I feel like the lack of originality is the big thing makes people _hate_ sticker star as opposed to just not liking it. (And the presence of partners _potentially_ could be a good sign for things like narrative and character development, though of course that's just wild guessing given that none of those aspects feature in the trailer.)
And it looks like the old combat doesn't exist in even the early version of Sticker Star. (The gameplay and the battle system are similar to the final game.)
I can’t believe we have it after all this time, granted getting a playable version would be legitimately amazing. The public never got that, this was all we got, so this might genuinely be all we’ll ever get unless it’s officially released. And seeing as this trailer was never officially released by Nintendo, and it’s a trailer, the likely hood of us getting a playable demo is tiny. To everyone who managed to recover this, you lot are legends!
In reality it all looks really interesting there were a lot of things that made me think of the old Paper Mario especially the one on N64 that and also I think a return of the partners and the music in the background sounds weirdly nostalgic
This is a fairly interesting trailer, and it’s nice to see some of the scrapped concepts of this game. Sticker Star isn’t exactly the best game ever (even though I think Paper Mario fans just have stupidly high standards in general), it’s amazing to see what ideas they had that somehow didn’t make the cut, like the interesting Monty Mole King.
Kinda crazy the original footage of the beta of the game's gone lost & unpreserved until now. And it's the highest quality it could be. Godspeed reviving this piece of Paper Mario history, man. Even if the bulk of the game would've remained the same, this version of Sticker Star looks loads better.
I was replaying sticker star a few months ago thinking to myself "alright, it's not above average, but it's still an enjoyable experience at times" After seeing this I was gobsmacked at what could've been. Nintendo you fumbled the bag big time all because you wanted to be more recognizable by sucking every unique thing in this trailer out.
This was before Shigeru Miyamoto asked the dev team to remove all the previous Paper Mario elements, such as partners and a traditional story, opting to solely focus on the sticker mechanic.
sticker star was and still is a goated and underrated game idc what anyone says. as a child and now as an adult i still have tons of fun with the game, love it.
Bunch of people saying this looks amazing or whatever, but let’s be real, it probably still would’ve gotten about the same reaction from hardcore TTYD fans XD Basically everything looks about the same as the final game outside of the chomp and mole king, and a couple other small details I feel like people are just so anti-sticker star that anything that isn’t in the game is perceived as being “better” than what did make into the final product And sure, I think this looks like it could have been a bit better But it’s still a departure from the formula of the classic games, and it seemingly still retains many of the things people criticize it for. I do think it’s really cool to finally have this footage available though, props to whoever found it
Oh god, i remember downloading an mp3 of this trailers audio to my 3ds so could listen to it over and over, sfx and all. Any official recording was too blurry or cut off. Thank you so much for this! I can finally visualize what i listened to so much as a kid haha
God, while the gameplay still look relatively ass, this game's artstyle looks so much better than what we got in the final game. No in-your-face paper shit, just a another Mario game with a 2D pop-up asthetic. God, i hope the TTYD remake is going to serve as the basis for any future PM games art direction, because that game is the closest thing we got to the original (in my opinion supirior) art direction.
I’ve been hoping this trailer would pop up! I remember being so hyped for this game and always talking about the card house level in this trailer and the chain chomp party member. The only video of it I remember seeing was some shakey camera footage of this years ago. I can say I’m not a fan of how Sticker Star turned out when it was first released but I do kind of look back on that time more fondly now. Simpler time. Thanks for posting this ❤
The most we ever got from this were screenshots in magazines like Nintendo Power. I've been waiting for someone to maybe dump a ROM one day (if that exists), but the original trailer is just as good. Great find!
Apparently, someone listed a 3DS that was purely meant for presentation purposes back then. This 3DS still had the ROM for the Paper Mario trailer installed, Marionova bought it and recovered the file.
Yippee I will admit I do like Sticker Star somehow. It's not the best but it's still better than Color Splash in my opinion This trailer looks way cooler than the final product though
As someone who witnessed this first hand at E3 2010, my disappointment with the final product was IMMEASURABLE. Thanks for archiving this piece of gaming history!!
What was it like, if you got to play a bit that is?
@@Bloxed there was no playable demo, only this trailer
You’re so cool man
I can't even begin to imagine how it felt witnessing this game's buildup and release when it happened, sorry you went through that.
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Kinda crazy to think that Thousand Year Door was just 6 years old when this trailer was made
And now in 2024 TTYD is 20 years old
PM64 will be 25 years old and Origami King 5 years old in 2025
And super paper mario 17 years
@@brandonwilliams6119 how tf is origami king already 5 years old 😳
And all 3 of them were all so fleshed out, grand, and creative, compared to sticker star and honestly the other two as well. How can you go so far backward in quality?
Europa You’re asking that on youtube. There’s literally no bigger example
I love the idea of a Chain Chomp partner. I love everything about this. I wish we actually got this 😭
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He would've still been very plain design-wise compared to the old partners. But something is always infinitely better than nothing.
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@CountMonsparkle plus, it's generic design could've likely been a placeholder. Who knows how it would've actually looked like if this was given more time.
Looks more like a tool than a partner, but if it was a placeholder then I guess that's fine.
As one of the very few Sticker Star defenders...
This looks better. 100% this looks better.
And that's the problem with defending Sticker Star. Even after all is said and done, all your efforts were for the sake of a subpar game that literally everyone knows is mediocre at best.
@@Xnaut314 I can't like a game despite it's flaws?
@@TaloneDrakeyes 🗿
Besides the creativity and the chain comp partner, it's still Sticker Star.
@@TaloneDrake Sure you can, but that shouldn't be the driving force for the future of the series simply because it was the most recent at the time. What makes Sticker Star truly horrible is that it hijacked the formula and prevented objectively better game design for the next decade just for the sake of being different. One lukewarm experiment is fine, but forcing controversial creativity that consistently can't produce objectively positive results among even the most loyal fans is simply nonsensical and purely agenda-driven.
I feel like this direction would have still resulted in the game being seen as an oddity, but it’s still leaps and bounds much fuller than what we saw in the final product.
Oh yeah. This looks like mario and luigi paper jam level on the paper Mario's. Dispite being odd, it's would have been still a good game.
It's the same basic game. There's stickers and clearly no EXP from enemies.
At least there would be a chance for it to be a good game
@zorthonthedevistaorscott2481 yeah, it probably still in development when this came out
Would probably end up being seen like how Paper Jam is seen. Paper Jam is still a very fun game, just like all the other Mario and Luigi games but it does have a few slip ups with the plot and world building, as well as the random minigames
0:48 A lot clearly changed between this build and the final product, but Wiggler being an obtrusive pain in the butt stayed consistent.
yeah but this is much LESS a pain in the butt compared to the final where he was separated in multiple stages and without a guide was basically impossible
Notice how the walking sfx syncs well with the music wow
imagine the final game but wiggler had that many segments and you had to find them all one by one
There's something bittersweet about seeing the old king mole fully animated.
Same with seeing that chain chomp actually attack
I genuinely can't believe they made all this then decided to discard everything and make what we have now
that fishbone attack was so cool
Honestly that burst gimmick should’ve been on every stacked enemy
I wouldn't say "discard everything" because the battle system and the gameplay look pretty similar to the final game.
What was so insanely different about this trailer. Besides the chain chomp as partner you still had the sticker mechanics and boring NSMB styled maps.
@@supermariofreak7993 the less paper texture on the set design
@@KGKSkullis that all?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN!!!
Were we actually robbed?? it still has some of the sticker mechanics, is clear, but was this actually going to be peak??
I agree I don't get why people are saying "THIS IS 10000X MORE BETTER THAN THE FINAL GAME" Besides the creativity and a random chain chomp partner, the gameplay and the battle system are still similar to the final game.
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@ahmedhasan4966 That still makes it 10000X better
@ahmedhasan4966”besides the creativity, and the partners, and the original bosses, and the original areas, and the new enemies, and the better graphics, and the interesting looking mechanics. It’s literally the same thing as the final game.”
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@ahmedhasan4966 we don't see any new characters or enemies either outside of the king mole. it really doesn't seem like we missed out on much...
So, the general battle system was seemingly sort of the same, with there still being stickers, the using multiple stickers to attack multiple times gimmick, and the “using stickers in the overworld to get to places gimmick.” However, it seems like there would’ve been specific stickers for the overworld, partners would’ve been in game (THE CHAINCHOMP PARTNER IS REAAAAAAL!) and would’ve been able to attack as well, and we finally have footage of the King Mole boss fight, as well as a weird skeleton fish enemy!
The stickers looked like the badges from ttyd.
True, and they seemingly act the same way attack wise to their TTYD counterparts (the boot that looks like multibounce attacks all enemies in a row like in TTYD), however since we can’t see the bottom screen, we don’t know if you’d select attacks from a menu like in the first two games, or have to use the sticker book and use up stickers like in the full release of sticker star
I did notice a seeming lack of FP though, although that could just be because they didn’t have it fully coded in the build shown here
@@thepainpanda7681 They did say that the partners were removed because it would often conflict with the sticker mechanic, and I do see that. I wondered how the partner would attack with this system at all?
(Sorry about all these seperate comments, I’m on the mobile website so I can’t edit any comments) I just realised, defence wasn’t coded in this build either. Assuming the stats are around the same as their TTYD ones, Koopa troopers should have 1 defence and take one damage from Mario’s jump, but they instead take 2 damage like the Goombas (which have 0 defence) which means he for some reason has 0 defence as well. The health of the Koopa Troopa is seemingly the same still though. And while I’m on the topic of defence, Mario didn’t block once during battle, nor did he use any action commands, though that could also be chalked up to “early build, wasn’t coded in yet” as well
This is actually pretty awesome haha
Oh hey tetra.
Lost bits video about this? Maybe?
sticker star lost bits may become created medias,,
found bits, am I right 😏
Oh boy what a nice trailer, I'm sure this game will be perfectly well-received :)
And then Miyamoto said: It’S tOo MuCh LiKe TtYd
ITWASN"TANYTHINGLIKETTYDINTHEFIRSTPLACE!
@Tail_Beagle then he jumped over the table and threw a fit at the sight of a purple Monty Mole with a crown and beard
And surely this game wouldn't start the division of the Paper mario fans.
It's like the Al Bundy of paper Mario, you either love it or hate it
1:11 This take on paper was more creative than 90% of Sticker Star paper gimmicks xD
Would've looked cool as hell on the 3ds, too.
@@TheTwilitHero i didnt even think of that, it really would damn
I know that single transition with the switch that expanded the room is more creative then anything thats in the final game. What a waste that they scraped that.
Legit this has like, a mix of PM1 and SPM vibes, PM1 with the mole and stuff, SPM with the world
God I wish we got this
I cannot believe this is actually real, after years of reading about it and seeing the screenshots in a Nintendo Power article it's actually real...
Nintendo Power was still around in 2010? I could've sworn it died in the mid 2000's
this seems to disprove a theory that Sticker Star was once never meant to have the Sticker consumables in any RPG Formula at all, since even this entirely erased game still uses sticker combat
Yep, it was part of the core of the game from the very start
Yeah that would seem to be the case from what we can see.
My guess it was originally meant that big strong attacks were consumable while you still always had access to the basic attacks
@@thescarredsinner895with how big that line jump sticker looked compared to the hammer one that actually kind of makes sense, maybe it was a bit similar to how origami king worked?
@@thescarredsinner895that would have been infinitely better to me. Though the issue of not really having a point to battles would still have brought it down for me, but a little less pointless if you didnt have to waste stickers and having to constantly consume
i guess we now know what a fishbone would look like in a classic paper mario style
Maybe? I'd guess they'd look like they do now since a lot of the old PM style was inspired by the Super Mario World sprites, and Fishbones look pretty similar now to then. I just thought these are a new, but similar enemy. Wouldn't be the first time, Jean de Filet.
@@anueutsuho7425Would you say Paper Mario himself is based on the small Mario sprite in World?
Wow, footage once thought to be lost is real? Ok this is a surreal moment. The footage looks good, makes me wonder if this was the game we ended up getting Sticker Star probably isn't hated as much as it is
Nah. It will definitely still get hated (to a slightly lesser extent) because the battle system and the gameplay, and the battle system are still similar to the final version.
@ahmedhasan4966Exactly. People only praise this beta because it looks like it has concepts of TTYD.
I don’t think a single person in this comment section seems to grasp that the chain chomp being generic could’ve very well been a placeholder before they scrapped partners entirely
Same with all these maps they showed (which by this point, still were much more interesting than what we got in the final game)
Yep
Having a generic partner would have been better then the non existent partners we got in the final product.
What do you mean? Why would they need a “placeholder” before they scrapped partners? They could just not show them off during the preview to get the message across that the game won’t have them anymore. The chain chomp partner being generic doesn’t imply that they were gonna not have partners at all in the final game
The chain chomp literally behaves like a regular chain chomp, though?
I doubt they'd actually decorate it, especially since it's the one partner shown in the trailer.
They probably thought that Mario carrying a pet dog around wouldn't make sense, especially when the next few entries come out, and partners would clash with rhe sticker theme and they didn't yet have a solution (TOK's solution was pretty bad) therefore they got rid of the idea of having partners.
LMFAO IT WAS STILL USING STICKERS
Which means it would have probably still not been THAT great.
Makes sense. It was shown in those screenshots images anyway.
maybe it could be a different system? like badges or something
@@RotisserieDivorcePapers Eh, the badges looks like the stickers used in this trailer, but maybe it could have been a different system.
@@RotisserieDivorcePapers Yeah I didn't see any stickers on the backgrounds so that could've been it.
a relic of a more hopeful time
Man,i miss 2000 and i didn't even exist back then.
@gan0nz0ra Yes, indeed. But we're in good times now at least, with ttyd's remake we have hope for new paper mario games that we'll love.
>2010
Man I miss that year so much, before the rise of smartphones and mobile gaming…
Super Mario Galaxy 2 will be 15 years old in 2025 btw
@@DeltaBlazinmhm!!! ❤
@@gan0nz0ralet's hope that when that new paper mario game comes around, that chain chomp party member and other ideas will return, lol
I think the Chain Chomp partner really clues us in on the design of this prototype:
In the first three games a partner's primary purpose is to serve an overworld function, like hitting switches from a far or destroying walls. They're designed with this in mind being function over form (How they act determines how they look).
From the gameplay it seems like the Chain Chomp is meant to be a sort of replacement to Kooper/Koops/Thoreau
However in Sticker Star and Color Splash much of the early puzzle solving would be replaced by action sequences and the Paperize/Cutout abilities making partners overall useless
The second thing to note is that the Chain Chomp never follows Mario around on the overworld from behind like a traditional partner.
We only see it once in the overworld when it's using it's ability, paired with the fact that we can see the sticker based gameplay this early on it's likely possible that the partners were their own Stickers/Paperize (similar to enemy cards in Color Splash) in this early gameplay concept before being cut entirely as they got replaced by those two things.
I really enjoy the vibe this version of the game gives off. In fact, it reminds me a lot of the first game on the N64, albeit with modern elements here and there, like the question mark blocks being clearly NSMB-styled. Would've been cool to experience the full version of whatever this game was.
Little did anyone know that this game would begin a division of the Paper mario fans.
When it comes to the actual trailer, the original game looks more creative, the enemies, and the environment are more creative compared to the final game. There's also a chain comp partner that exists, which is neat. But besides the creativity and the chain comp partner, it's still Sticker Star. It's a more creative and better Sticker Star, but it's still Sticker Star.
This is exactly how I feel. Even if we got this version, just about every complaint we have now would've been present, minus the creativity issue (maybe).
i mean, the sanitization IS the main reason i dislike Sticker Star, if it wasn't sanitized and felt like a story in the same continuity as the first 3 games I would not mind the experimental mechanics. A good story is motivation enough to move through a game like this to me.
Oh most definitely but it probably wouldn't be as intense, at least we know now that the original Sticker Star wasn't just TTYD on 3DS.
ITS NO LONGER A IMAGINATION OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN MY MIND YAY
Seeing still screenshots of this trailer is one thing, but I never thought I see this trailer in all of its glory. Glad that this trailer was actually found :)
"It is Just a Copy of TTYD" the sentence which Changed everything.
1:02 I knew I wasn't misremembering this Whomp scene over a decade ago
0:27 looks like Spinies could go on the ceiling, like how Buzzy Beetles could in 64/TTYD.
Good catch.
we were robbed
It hurts..
Hey Scott
Indeed. Looks like it would have been a better game (Even if slightly).
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 it probably would've felt more Alive plus the more charming look of the game could've drawn more fans into it since the environments are similar to PM64
I know it isn't likely that this could've saved or even fixed paper mario sticker star but it definitely makes it more memorable, the idea of filling your chain chomp dog around is funny
@Seedy2 Yeah I agree with you on that one. Such a shame that the devs did not continue down this route but instead scraped all of this.
Paper Mario was one of my very first video games ever. I was 5...
Now just yesterday was my 18th birthday... This might be the best birthday gift ever... Thank you thank you THANK YOU !!
Happy birthday
Looking at this trailer actually makes me hyped for the game... if only there was something to be hyped for
That's such a raw line
I mean. there are currently some modders that are trying for idk how many months doing big and small tweaks to the game based on feedback and actually reimagining it like a proper good installment... so i guess there is this to be hyped for. cause i definetly am !
I'm praying for a 3DS Nintendo data server leak so we all can play this lost beta build.
@@WantBadtimeWhen I look at this trailer, It's just a more creative Sticker Star. However It's still Sticker Star. (The gameplay and the battle system are similar to the final game.)
We can't really speak on the gameplay because we can't play it, but on a visual level this is definitely better than the final release. I'm baffled that they would scrap the card castle and colorful cave areas, as well as dropping the unique mole king in favor of the same enemy you fought twenty times but scaled up.
this is bittersweet
finally we can see what could have been, but unfortunately we can also see what could have been
I can’t believe they scrapped this for the sticker star we got, this looks amazing.
It looks like a pre-alpha Sticker Star to me. The stickers are still prominent in this trailer, and the “partner” doesn’t behave like they did in 64 or TTYD. Sorry, but this trailer doesn’t look any different from Sticker Star to me
@@CosmicTornado1 Settle down.
It certainly looks better, not peak but better. Then again PSS is not a high bar to clear lol.
@@CosmicTornado1 It actually looks quite different... at least ascetically speaking. The game seemed like it was going to at least have more interesting areas to see like that one card room or that weird pink cave, then just the generic areas seen in NSMB like we have in the final game.
@@CosmicTornado1 mario never defended take a guess on why. It wasn't coded in. So... Guess what else they must've NOT coded in? Exactly! Following Partners! You can see everything looks very unfinished. Even Mario's animations look bad.
What a wonderful present just before semester break! Thank you so much Nova!
Whoa! This is an incredible find! I'm guessing this was found alongside some other 3DS tech demo units
This magnitude of wasted potential is on par with a capsized oil tanker.
I'd say it's more on par with a demolished nuclear power plant.
Look, I still think the game today is a mixed bag, some good and bad things. But I’m so disappointed we didn’t get this.
At least the music in the game is enjoyable.
It's really real I can't believe it!!!
Cannot BELIEVE this is real, it feels like a dream
I only WISH we got this version D:
Same!😭
Same here too
Yeah i have a feeling that if we would have gotten this version then the hate for PMSS may have been a bit less, maybe not much but a bit less.
How? What? This year seriously is SO surreal, getting a new M&L, a TTYD remake AND THIS is crazy. What in the world.
Absolute peak of Paper Mario: Sticker Star history
Makes sense. It was ALL downhill from there.
this is the best christmas gift I could've imagined
thank you everyone who managed to find this.
RIP Chain Chomp, we never got the chance to know you.
I can't believe this was finally found, it looked so good! I am in awe that this is what we could've gotten instead of Sticker Star.
Okay, after seeing too many people have this thought process, I hope you guys understand the concept of an unfinished product.
This is CLEARLY a very unfinished game, especially battles, animations, environments, and UI. Why are you guys talking about the battle system like it was set in stone because to me it just looks clearly unfinished.
It doesn't even look like there's action commands yet. Mario's eyes are still open when he jumps on a spiked enemy and cries in pain. The reason this looks so close to the final product is because it's super unfinished.
In one of the dev interviews they said the battle system was one of the last things they worked on and it very clearly shows.
Too many of you are saying "Ohhh this is the battle system they wanted from the start!!!" when to me that's just not true. It looked like there was a very troubled development cycle after this.
Right. The battle system was never too good to begin with anyway, as it uses stickers in the same exact fashion as the final version, going to show how late it was conceived.
I'd rather have this over the Sticker Star we got 😢
I really like Sticker Star and even before this trailer was fully found and we just saw screenshots of what this game looked like in its early stages, I always thought that this version would've been better than what we got. Even if all the gameplay elements and mechanics in the final game stayed, it still would've been better of it was like this. At least then people would really only hound on the battle system itself and not so much everything else. This version just looks a lot more original, the playing card area, the King Mole boss, I really wish they kept all of this.
Seeing as how this was when they were still creating new characters for the game, I doubt the chain chomp here was meant to be a partner otherwise it'd have a more unique design. Feels like you'd have the Chain Chomp as a kind if partner for specific story beats, kinda like in Origami King and if that was their original idea here then they revived it for that game which's pretty cool. Ah well, I'm still glad with the game we got even though I do wish it'd went in this direction. Hopefully one day they'll revive other scrapped things from this like the King Mole. After remaking TTYD though I'm pretty positive they're gonna go back in that game's direction for the next Paper Mario game and have a lot more unique characters again.
Since this is just a preview, I believe that the design of the chain chomp might've been just a placeholder. I doubt that you'd want to use up resources for something that you know could change at any time (and as it turned out, it did).
@@bloopahVIII And yet other things like the mole boss and certain enemies have more unique designs so I disagree. It leads to believe that the chomp was moreso a mission type thing to have rather than an actual partner. Plus nothing seemed to be selectable with it, like it attacks in battle automatically.
What's interesting here is that they had the sticker mechanic this early.
You can clearly see a hammer sticker being used at 0:36 meaning Mario had probably no standard attacks at that point too.
Orrr the Hammer would've been reusable. Look at the difference between it and the Badge sticker.
I am so confused by the comments on display here.
This trailer just shows that the game was meant to have stickers from the very get go, and they seem to function very similarly to how they do in the final game.
On top of that, the stages shown are just mostly empty hallways.
How on earth are people like "wow, it's so much better than Sticker Star"?
Just because there's a King Mole and a generic Chain Chomp partner? Really?
None of the actual Sticker Star complaints, like the lack of story or unique characters is shown to have been heading in a different direction in this video. Instead, we just get sub-TTYD level design with sticker battle mechanics.
PREACH!!!
I am honestly more confused about what Miyamoto saw in the build that made him claim that it was "too much like TTYD". Assuming THIS was the build he played when he claimed that, that is to say.
As someome who unironically enjoyed Sticker Star, this art style was nothing to write home about. The part where the cave expanded, should have stayed. Not that much was changed tbh. The chain chomp and mole boss should have stayed.The pink cave/forest area should have stayed, as it felt creative to me.
I think it's just more the intense hatred for sticker star that people see a rather simple trailer and because it's different they automatically assume it's better. By default of using stickers it'd probably still be pretty bad and discourage actual battling and the like, so you have the core fundamental issue of there being no point of battling still being there, along with it just being a lot more generic than prior games still.
@Goomba1309 I can only assume either they DID start actually making it more like TTYD, or that was referring to a build we've never seen, because, yeah, this ain't it.
I think people are stretching a tiny bit when they say this looks so much better than the final game when it's just a few snippets of gameplay and mostly walking, but I think visually it looks much better than sticker star, and having the partners in battle plus overworld abilities would've been great, though it's hard to say whether this would've actually been better or still just meh like Sticker Star is.
the battle system for one id say is much better, atleast assuming the blue backgriund stickers that are very basic attacks (like the hammer) were infinitely reusable stickers (which would mean you dont need the consumable stickers to fight) so thats already way better becaude youd have something to do other than running while in a battle with no special stickers, the overworld ambients kinda remind me of 64, which outside of tok is the paper mario with best overworld imo, and i really like the color choices they made (seriously, the colors for the overworld environments are SO GOOD!!!) and it seems that to complement the fact you have basic reusable attacks now, stickers were a more scarce resource unlike now whwre you blink once in the game and wuh oh! your book is filled with a trillion useless stickers
and koopas are back to their old designs. now, i dont mind any of the new redesigns for the enemies (except for pokeys they look so weirdly soulless in modern pm) but modern pm koopas look like theyre constantly trying to hold in laughter. but this is way more of a nitpick if anything
I say that we can't know too much but I personally think that if they kept down this patch, the game would not have been seen as bad
Looks like the sticker mechanics was planned from the very start...but they ditched everything else including the CHAIN CHOMP PARTNER! I will forever be MAD!
As someone who actually saw this trailer when it came out, my disappointment with the final product is bigger than Kirby"s stomach. I know, wrong franchise, but still.
My joy is immense and my day is saved, Thank you for posting this coming from a Ttyd fan
Holy cow I can't believe this is real, this is awesome! How was this found my god!
The most notable thing about it to me is just how similar it is to Sticker Star. Yeah you have the partner, but other then that it's using stickers for attacks, placing stickers in overworld, similar aesthetic to final product, typical Mario enemies. Has me wonder if Miyamoto really changed that much about Sticker Star, or if this video is from after his involvement or something. Very interesting all the same!
Sticker Star might have still failed, maybe not, but we were absolutely robbed of what COULD have been with Chompy and the unique characters
That bit where Mario had bloody hyper realistic eyes didn’t quite fit the tone they were going for I think but everything else was very cool!!
“and then mario came out of my 3ds and stole all of the spaghetti in my house and i got very sad but mario said the fuck word and jumped out of the window”
Where does he have bloody hyper realistic eyes? I’m very confused
@@Mario-dx3tkIt's making fun of a Creepypasta trope from the early 2010's
I can only think of Maltigi after reading this.
God, i love the environments here. They look so vibrant and colorful. The Card Castle level in particular I'm very sad we never got to see in the final.
Aside from the visuals looking cool, I don't think that there is much of a difference between what this was going for in the gameplay and what Sticker Star went for with the gameplay. The Chain Chomp or any other partners might have been there to make battles less of a pain in the arse and maybe there might have been a Level Up system with the audience at the bottom of the screen, but aside from that, the problems with selecting the enemies on the field look like that they were still there, and the stickers were still consumable one-use weapons from the looks of things.
This is an insane find, but now it makes me wonder if there is a different beta or trailer out there.
Looking at the few screenshots that we already had before this trailer was finally fully found there are a few things different or flat out missing.
The background and walls of the whomp falling is completely different to the already existing image and footage we had before this.
The tilted blue card with the heart on it in the card castle in this trailer is different than the one in the card castle screenshot we already have. In the card castle screenshot its a white card with a spade in it. Also, the screenshot has a goomba hidden behind the diamond card whereas the trailer doesnt.
Also we have two screenshots that arent in the trailer. One where mario takes damage because he jumped on a pokey and another one where mario repeatedly jumps on a goomba.
The two screenshots that were shown are still kinda in the trailer though. Instead of a pokey mario jumps on a spiny and instead of repeatedly stomping on a goomba, he is repeatedly stomping king monty mole.
Bro is not leaving 2024 behind without finding post media
I really hope someone finds and posts this games rom, cuz we really need to preserve it...
Why are the people in the comnents saying this like this was so much better than what he got sure it was better but its barely a thing the gameplay still used stickers
I agree with you. Besides the creativity and the chain comp partner, it's still Sticker Star. It's a more creative and better Sticker Star, but it's still Sticker Star and it was always meant to be a Sticker Star.
@ahmedhasan4966 It would probably have a lot of the same gameplay issues, but I feel like the lack of originality is the big thing makes people _hate_ sticker star as opposed to just not liking it. (And the presence of partners _potentially_ could be a good sign for things like narrative and character development, though of course that's just wild guessing given that none of those aspects feature in the trailer.)
1:36 This had Candy Canes/Pops though!
More exciting than anything to come out of the Game Awards tonight, ngl.
I got CHILLS while watching this, It's crazy this actually finally got found and we got to see what Sticker Star was originally supposed to be.
I’m so glad we found this! Good to see this piece of Paper Mario history finally recovered
Emile,Brent and many more paper mario fans (me) wanted a sticker star like this but with the old combat
And it looks like the old combat doesn't exist in even the early version of Sticker Star. (The gameplay and the battle system are similar to the final game.)
This is one the pieces of lost media I was hoping was found the most. I really want Slamfest ‘99 to found next.
I'm somewhat surprised they were even willing to show this to the public, as so much of it looks so unfinished.
As someone who actually liked Sticker Star, this looks so much cooler than what we got
I think we can all agree that this is what Sticker Star should've been
Yup, just stand there and wait for Wiggler to waddle through. Oops, he got in your path again. Just a minute...
Yeah definitely looks better, even if the gameplay would have been the same.
besides the creativity and the chain comp partner, it's still Sticker Star. It's a more creative and better Sticker Star, but it's still Sticker Star.
It looks almost the exact same.
I can’t believe we have it after all this time, granted getting a playable version would be legitimately amazing. The public never got that, this was all we got, so this might genuinely be all we’ll ever get unless it’s officially released. And seeing as this trailer was never officially released by Nintendo, and it’s a trailer, the likely hood of us getting a playable demo is tiny.
To everyone who managed to recover this, you lot are legends!
So it’s the same thing but not coded with new super mario themes and with partners.
Cool.
In reality it all looks really interesting there were a lot of things that made me think of the old Paper Mario especially the one on N64 that and also I think a return of the partners and
the music in the background sounds weirdly nostalgic
14 years later and we finally found it. 🔥
This has DEFINITELY been a Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi year, guys.
This is a fairly interesting trailer, and it’s nice to see some of the scrapped concepts of this game. Sticker Star isn’t exactly the best game ever (even though I think Paper Mario fans just have stupidly high standards in general), it’s amazing to see what ideas they had that somehow didn’t make the cut, like the interesting Monty Mole King.
Kinda crazy the original footage of the beta of the game's gone lost & unpreserved until now. And it's the highest quality it could be. Godspeed reviving this piece of Paper Mario history, man. Even if the bulk of the game would've remained the same, this version of Sticker Star looks loads better.
Paper Mario and the *STICKIEST STARS!*
PEAK game!
I was replaying sticker star a few months ago thinking to myself "alright, it's not above average, but it's still an enjoyable experience at times"
After seeing this I was gobsmacked at what could've been. Nintendo you fumbled the bag big time all because you wanted to be more recognizable by sucking every unique thing in this trailer out.
This was before Shigeru Miyamoto asked the dev team to remove all the previous Paper Mario elements, such as partners and a traditional story, opting to solely focus on the sticker mechanic.
sticker star was and still is a goated and underrated game idc what anyone says. as a child and now as an adult i still have tons of fun with the game, love it.
They pretty much just removed all the good stuff
With all the 3ds modding, here’s a game I wish someone could be creative enough to fix
Rhis is the sticker star we deserve
So, just a more creative Sticker Star? It's still Sticker Star. (The gameplay and the battle system are similar to the final game.)
Your goated for uploading this, give whoever found this trailer a thank you.
I've never played sticker star, but this trailer looks better than the final game.
Bunch of people saying this looks amazing or whatever, but let’s be real, it probably still would’ve gotten about the same reaction from hardcore TTYD fans XD
Basically everything looks about the same as the final game outside of the chomp and mole king, and a couple other small details
I feel like people are just so anti-sticker star that anything that isn’t in the game is perceived as being “better” than what did make into the final product
And sure, I think this looks like it could have been a bit better
But it’s still a departure from the formula of the classic games, and it seemingly still retains many of the things people criticize it for.
I do think it’s really cool to finally have this footage available though, props to whoever found it
The sticker star trailer with no Toads.
Oh god, i remember downloading an mp3 of this trailers audio to my 3ds so could listen to it over and over, sfx and all. Any official recording was too blurry or cut off. Thank you so much for this! I can finally visualize what i listened to so much as a kid haha
God, while the gameplay still look relatively ass, this game's artstyle looks so much better than what we got in the final game. No in-your-face paper shit, just a another Mario game with a 2D pop-up asthetic.
God, i hope the TTYD remake is going to serve as the basis for any future PM games art direction, because that game is the closest thing we got to the original (in my opinion supirior) art direction.
I’ve been hoping this trailer would pop up! I remember being so hyped for this game and always talking about the card house level in this trailer and the chain chomp party member. The only video of it I remember seeing was some shakey camera footage of this years ago. I can say I’m not a fan of how Sticker Star turned out when it was first released but I do kind of look back on that time more fondly now. Simpler time. Thanks for posting this ❤
The most we ever got from this were screenshots in magazines like Nintendo Power. I've been waiting for someone to maybe dump a ROM one day (if that exists), but the original trailer is just as good. Great find!
I love the main theme !
So much potential… 😢
90% good idea and inspiration from best paper mario era
What an incredible find! What's the story here? How was this trailer recovered?
Apparently, someone listed a 3DS that was purely meant for presentation purposes back then. This 3DS still had the ROM for the Paper Mario trailer installed, Marionova bought it and recovered the file.
1:04 it’s like an early version of the cappy throw from Odyssey
Yippee
I will admit I do like Sticker Star somehow. It's not the best but it's still better than Color Splash in my opinion
This trailer looks way cooler than the final product though