This is a travesty. I want EVERY game to have either a superboss or challenging extra area. ESPECIALLY FF Games because FF6 and FF7 introduced me to superbosses. It gives me something to feel like I am preparing for. Most games offer too little challenge, so difficult optional content can at least balance things a bit.
My thoughts are as simple as this I just wish they’d given us a hard mode at the start. That’s all, doesn’t exclude anyone but gives more experienced players a more exciting time. And really all they would need to do is increase damage by 50-100% and maybe 15% more hp and maybe a bit more interesting ai and bam done
Also gives us a Trophy for completing that wont count towards the Plat. They just punish good players over and over in these games. See my comment above i haven't died in my 1st playthrough.
Something I found odd is they establish that you can't use magic in the Blight and can only use normal attacks, but never did anything with it. Like have some areas you're forced to only use normal attacks unless you're standing in an area that doesn't have blight.
@@Verd254lot of games have that option but you don't have to play that way. Just learn combos and learn to use Torgal and the gameplay is much more enjoyable. Remove the evasion and combo rings if u want a more difficult experience
@@thatrandomwhitekid845 It sound like you have a skill issue. I already got the platinum trophy for this game and maxed out my character level to 100 with the Ultima blade in hand. I just think you don't understand how the game works.
@@thatrandomwhitekid845 ok so ur either bad at the game or you have bad taste, there is no need to get triggered. If you don't like the game that is fine but from my perspective this is the best battle system I have seen in a final fantasy game along side the combat system for FF7R.
@@thatrandomwhitekid845 I'm not sure what your argument is at this point. My original comment was just saying that the game allows you to smash the square button but you don't have to play that way if you know how to use combos. You keep talking about the blight not allowing you to use magic but I fail to see the correlation. I was never arguing about the blight only that the game didn't need to be played in a button mashing method.
I’m seeing alot of people saying ‘Isn’t every FF easy?” True, there not the most difficult, by I feel alot of us are saying it without thinking of how much FF we’ve played. Would I struggle with FF6 or 7 now? No. But that’s because I’ve played them like 10 times. 16 was a cake walk on my first play through, and that’s what I think the issue is.
I agree with this. None of them were especially hard but this was noticeably easy. A lot of the early games required either efficient play or semi heavy grinding at points where as this felt a tad too easy throughout. Things either died way too fast or too slow as well, otherwise the combat was pretty great.
They didn't use to be THIS easy like FF XV and FF XVVI is. I have been playing sive VI and it just is getting more and more easy. I find it quite sad since I am a FF
They need to add superbosses, they need to make ff mode playable at the beginning, they need to make ultimaniac mode part of ng+ to play all the way through. They also need to add optional dungeons similar to ff15. It was one of the exceptional aspects of 15 that it got right.
I wish we had ff14 savage. When I saw how slow and basic normal Benedikta was, I hoped we had more mechanics or more attacks, or her current attacks were more fierce or had more projectiles or she did new mixups, anything. But no. The same can be said for many bosses. It felt like we were doing normal mode trials and I was kinda hoping for the savage. That never came. It's just normal mode trials that hit harder in the end. Which is a huge letdown to me.
I agree with you completely. I died once outside of hunts in the main game. And that’s because I thought I could tank the Akashik dragons fire breath sweep with half health and I ended up dying from it. And then I died like 5 times to svarog when I was level 38 because I got one shot multiple times. That being said, my friend saw the game and thought it looked amazing so he wanted to try it. He basically only plays online shooters so he has little experience with action games like this. He died over 10 times before even beating Garuda. Mostly due to running out of potions before a boss fight. So yeah, he was actually complaining about it being too hard sometimes and had too much pride to use the rings to help. This game has boss fights that last long enough to still be satisfying for me, even if I was never in danger of dying. And that’s why I still had so much fun with this game. I don’t need to die constantly to have fun. I just need to feel satisfied. I have the souls games to go play if I want to die.
My first msq death was to Hugo because I phoenix shifted into his big Aoe attack at half health (I used it earlier for a different attack when he wasn't on the field so it had no target to warp to so it just warped me forward out of the way and I made the mistake of trying that again)
I do think they should have made action focused no rings more difficult considering how easy the rings make it I did immediately change to doing no ultimates once I got Odin on first play through. Part of that is zant, part is the time stop on them is way too powerful
I believed that the chronolyth challenges had the best level of difficulty especially with eikons I didn’t use as much.I had the most fun with those when I first did them
Really wish they had a harder option on the first playthrough, same issue i had with 7r. Shouldnt have to play through it once already just to get a more difficult option. Everything just stood around rarely attacking.
I know 7r wasn't hard, but FF16 still feels way easier than that game was. I think it's because in 7r you're forced to take damage(sometimes very large), and manage healing resources to keep party members alive. In FF16 it's very easy to avoid most of the damage, and the damage you take is very low, even from most bosses
So your a Elites. Not everyone's will throw themselves to a higher difficulty went they are new or doesn't know the mechanics yet instill getting a bearing then play FFM, Luntic mode in the arena.
@@duo7777 Yeah not everyone will, just like not everyone likes the game being easy on first playthrough. That why the vast majority of games have the CHOICE of difficulty.
I enjoyed learning the fights the most, especially some of the later bosses like Odin. I’m about 5 hrs into FF mode now and it’s actually easier because my gameplay is more efficient. Enemies are beefier and there are notable level jumps across zones though.
I just beat the Odin stage last night and felt like I ran a marathon afterwards. I was all light headed and was white knuckling the poor controller the whole damn time. Was seriously freaking out, glad that’s over with!!
Coming from Stranger of Paradise to XVI yes it's easy...but if you rank, every Final Fantasy game in terms of difficulty it's nowhere near the easiest.
kinda hard to compare difficulty between different genres but the game was marketed towards DMC players and they are the ones saying the game is too easy.
@@mquezada88 It has difficulty options but the DLC is locked to the hardest difficulty and it is probably the most difficult FF game on the hardest difficulty (and I am including Vagrant Story and classic FFXI). You can change the difficulty anytime you are on the overworld.
FF mode felt like a smart way to extend the end game, but it wasn't really a hard mode. I honestly wish action focused didn't have the prompts and there were more QTEs, because it really sucked the tension out of all the cinematic encounters.
The lack of difficulty is because of how strong Clive is defensively. Compare it to something like SoP, you can't mash dodge in that game, if you do, the second dodge is a significantly worse dodge than the first. Soul shielding is the best option, but it consumes a resource that you have to constantly manage. Meanwhile, Clive can mash dodge, use one of his immensely strong counter abilities like raging fists and rook's gambit, use will o the wykes to negate hits entirely, use the Shiva eikon to freeze enemies after dodging, or use titan to block everything. All of these being incredibly easy to time. Also, items can be used regardless of what state Clive is in. If you get caught in a multi-hit attack, you can easily use a potion during that to prevent yourself from dying. Limit break also prevents you from dying and can be activated at any point. It's just incredibly easy to not die. Add in pretty low damage in normal mode, and you really don't even have to bother to dodge most attacks. I really would've liked some kind of harder mode available from the start. Maybe precision dodging has tighter timing, maybe you can't mash dodge, you can only use items when there's no other animation happening, damage is a little higher, enemies a little more aggressive. I think things would've been fine then. Being overpowered can be fun, but there's a point for me where it makes things uninteresting and I think FFXVI teetered pretty close to that in normal mode.
Finally someone who gets it. Stopped the game 40% in. I felt insulted by the difficulty and have 0 faith that FF mode changes that just by knowing Clives toolkit
They should add Rings of Difficulty. So you can wear rings that limit how many potions you can have. Or reduce dodge window timers. Or reduce stagger windows. And maybe in return you get to equip a special sword or something as a reward.
I love that idea. I personally would love a ring that absorbs all of the exp you earn, then you can choose to siphon enough exp to earn one level at a time or cash it all in at once, so if you want to play through the whole game at level ten, twelve etc...you can. A ring that changes your defense to zero would also be good. Honestly I feel like they should patch in an "Ultimaniac Ring" that turns the base game into Ultimaniac mode when you put it on, since while in Ultimaniac you can only hold one of each type of potion, take double damage and enemies are way more aggressive.
This is my favorite take on difficulty. Increasing risk for increasing reward. Kinda like how you can dodge everything... or you can be riskier and try for a more rewarding parry.
What I think that could be done is add more debuffs the enemies could do you in final fantasy mode for example Poison: drains health over time Time out: Unable to command Torgal or Torgal unable to act for a set time Aether shackle: drains limit break gauge Amnesia: unable to use eikonic abilities for a set time Despair: unable to do will damage for a set time One other thing would be to more of an emphasis around eikonic vulnerability so that way for certain hunts and bosses you could build a set around that vulnerability for a little more engagement.
The base difficulty in FF feels equivalent to Devil Hunter difficulty in DMC games for me. Enough that trash never poses an issue, but certain elites and bosses can take you out if you're not paying attention (though it is more generous with healing than DMC). FF mode is not much more difficult though considering you've got the whole toolkit from ng+ and knowledge of enemy movesets. I think its really fun to play around with the tools available, but yeah, it could do with something similar to Dante Must Die mode unlocked for new playthroughs and I hope they do continue support for the game and add that at some point.
2 days late here but yeah absolutely agree it’s definitely at that Devil Hunter difficulty on the first play through. I hope there’s a patch in future which brings a true hard difficulty mode like an actual “Ultimaniac” ala like you said Dante must Die, maybe restricting healing items like how DMC5 just removed items entirely.
I think for a general populus the difficulty is alright. Us as seasoned gamers prob won't struggle much, but watching some people play even with accesories on can be painful 😅. though... FF mode should have been available at the start. and much agreed about enemy variation. I would actually hate if difficulty was on a Souls level. Closer to DMC would be nice
I’m a casual player not used to action games I tried nioh 2 and dmc5 and they were really challenging to the point where I didn’t finish theme. Ff16 difficulty for me is fine, tho my approach is not to beat the game as fast as possible, I’m enjoying the combat and trying to learn stylish combos instead which are really satisfying! I go to the hall of virtue or hunts no damage them and that’s difficult enough. I have tried the arcade mode and honestly this game is great! It has a lot in it not just the story so from non-action player cheers to yoshi p.
My main problem is how incredibly forgiving dodging is. Only a few skills animation lock you, and most of those are ults which animation lock enemies too. You can dodge always even mid air or mid combo. You don't need to dodge OUT of an aoe to dodge it, you just need to be dodging when damage applies. I could see that being fine for a story mode playthrough or maybe tie that effect into the dodge accessory as an additional bonus, and then making us actually need to care about aoes and such without that accessory.
I'm ok with this on the normal difficulty. But I think Ghost of Tsushima is a good example of how you adapt this in difficulty modes. As you go up in difficulty in ghost your perfect dodge and especially perfect parry windows become smaller and smaller. This allows people not good at such games to ramp up their skill in a more natural way.
@@darkguardian50 yeah, thats why i feel like it would be a good thing to have on the automatic dodge accessory, but not be the default way dodges work. So you could at least opt out of the ez mode dodges if you want by just not using that accessory. I get that they wanted it to be a bit easier for people who wanted to experience the story, but I'd at least like the option of having to actually try, if i want to.
If they had FF mode unlocked from the start I might have enjoyed the game. I enjoyed the story for the first 1/3rd, but once the story fell off the combat (while fun) wasn't engaging enough to keep me interested for another 30 hours. I finished so I could someday try NG+ in FF mode, but I need a long break before I feel like going back. I just don't see why we couldn't have the option to choose.
As an action game enjoyer I definitely found it too easy, I didn’t even use potions manually until well into the latter half of the game. I just don’t know how you go about making the game harder without making it less fun. If you let enemies also semi prime, they just become sponges, if you give them similar tools to Clive, like allowing them to parry, block or dodge, they just become irritating to fight. The only real way to make the game more challenging is through arcade mode and style gameplay, but the scoring system is flawed like you pointed out in your previous video. And honestly, whilst there are some neat eikonic abilities with combo potential, the high damage abilities like Zantetsuken, Diamond Dust, Gigaflare and Judgement bolt are just way too powerful to give up in exchange for utility to actually make the gameplay interesting.
Honestly, if that's what you're worried about it's actually fairly easy to make it more difficult. For one thing, Zantetsuken simply makes it so you don't have to interact with some of the more difficult sections. Just make it have a damage fall off like some of the AOE skills in XIV for example. It would keep high stagger damage combos on bosses, but reduce damage done on enemy packs. Secondly, make it so you can only use at most 1 or 2 of the captsone eikon abilities. It seems redundant to me that you can have multiple of these, but if you had to pick one or two suddenly it becomes a picking game of which one synergizes the best with the playstyle you're going for. As for the base game, that is a bit more complicated, but for me it comes down to how many potions they give you. Ideally, in general the dungeons probably shouldn't be restocking you on potions at all, and it would make the longer stretch ones a game of keeping damage low and managing your HP. I would also probably turn on the more aggressive AI from the get go, because even if they don't do as much damage as they would in ultimaniacs, they still would be constantly hitting you and be a concern at all times.
TBH I’m currently on the 5 year timeskip arc and I’m playing on the action focused difficulty and I haven’t died once so it does seem pretty easy to me so far, but I’m guessing it might get more difficult later on.
I think someone put rather well that they made it so that the first playthrough is more focused on the story, regardless of skill level, and then the gloves really come off on NG+ since you’re probably skipping all the cutscenes at that point. Though I kind of wish they had Final Fantasy mode available from the start I get why it’s an unlock.
They shouldn't be making that decision for us. Half of the enjoyment is having engaging combat between story moments. Either way we still get to watch all the cutscenes regardless of the battle difficulty. So that's a dumb reason. It's like saying people that played Ragnarok in hard mode first time through couldn't enjoy the story. Just give people the option and if it's too hard for them they can tone it down.
Hopefully the "Bloody Palace" mode they add will address this. Can't wait to fight multiple dragoons and cannon guys in a single room. Hell throw in a dragon too
I found the game to be very easy, but I was so absorbed in it that it didn't bother me at all. I would have played on a higher difficulty if it was an option at the start, but I'm happy with what I experienced either way
They could do something similar to what FF7R did where Hard mode restricted how often you could replenish your MP so you had to plan around that to this game in FF mode just completely restrict the use of all ultimate abilities... Or make it only once per fight/encounter/etc.
Rather than "Easy," I would say it's a mindless slog while you wear down the stagger meter and dodge. I wish there was more depth or strategy beyond just Eikon switching.
The difficulty feels perfect for Final Fantasy Mode. I am liking it a lot. But yeah, the game in general feels easy to me because the eikon abilities are too strong and it feels like they are always up for you to spam them.
@@dripy9159 Why would I want to play through a game with terrible design, repetitive tortuous fetch quests, barren environments, no strategy needed/non existent rpg elements, and recycled enemies a second time..just to play it on a slightly higher difficulty?
@@user-ht4kp7py2c I’m just saying man..the game has excellent reviews and I personally thought it was friggen amazing..I’ll be beating the biatch again for sure
Challenge yourself to use no potions then, for instance. Or, for another example, I was able to get precision dodges rather easily but I was terrible at parry, so I challenged myself to get off at least one parry on every enemy I faced. Or if you really want to test your timing and management of different abilities, try to get 9 zenketsukens in a single stagger. That’s the next thing I’m gonna try to do, it’s kinda crazy-need to do rift + freeze, time freezing abilities along with activating and deactivating limit break so you can freeze time with that a bunch. It takes some quick navigation, for sure
@@darcash1738 That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard, don’t use any of the features that are in the game to make it more challenging, but sit through a poor open world, terrible fetch quests, no strategic gameplay to try and make a bad game good by fighting spongier enemies? I downloaded this a day early using my Japanese psn account, forced myself to finish it because I hyped myself up for months for it, and deleted it as soon as the post credits ending finished.
Simple answer... Yes it's way too easy considering you can't choose anything harder until after beating the game.... We should have a choice to have it difficult right away. Many people hate easy games and when you're forced to play it on "easy" it ruins half of the enjoyment. Like we already have all these ridiculous accessories that make it EVEN easier so why do the people that like hard games not have a choice to make it harder right away
what they need to do in my opinion is on higher difficulties up enemy/boss attack speeds like by alot and reduce dodge and parry windows inlucing titan block of course and shivas dash if they can manage to do that cuz i know thats not as easy as it sounds then that would be pretty good on a game thats already really good and just really cool
If anything, the game certainly is made to be accessible. But I think the skill ceiling is high enough for the players that want it. The game gives you basic win/lose conditions but it is sort of up to the player to decide what it means to win or lose. For the people who say the game is too easy, they are absolutely right. If your goal is to simply defeat the enemies and not die, then you will have an easy game. But for me, I can't just defeat the enemies. I need to style on them. I need to be able to land badass and creative combos, while also doing a ton of DPS. I need to be able to weave in dodges, parries and counters in between the onslaught. If a combo does not play out the way I had it in my head, or I miss precision dodges or parries, or if I simply take too much time on a fight, I would consider that a loss. I am always pushing myself to improve even though the game does not require it, and that lets me enjoy the game so much more.
The best DPS in the game has no style. The moves it uses literally stop the stagger bar and slow the enemies surrounding it down to basically nothing. The game doesnt even pressure you into running out of healing at any point. even on the hard difficulty. Elden Ring sold like 20 million units and it doesnt hold your dick for you while you piss like this game does. There is a huge difference between accessible and insulting peoples intelligence.
@@Eversoul12 I prefer Style > DPS. That is why I generally avoid using the "Ultimate" abilities that freeze time. I generally prefer the abilities that can be used creatively and combo well. The difficulty is what ever you make of it, you do not need to let the game decide it for you. If you feel there are certain abilities that are too strong, don't use them. If you feel like healing is too generous, don't use any heals. Some people even find Elden Ring too easy, and so they do different types of challenge runs. Like I said before, if a fight doesn't go the way I planned, like if I get hit, I would consider that a loss, even though technically the game still says that I won that battle.
I came into this game expecting more DMC with extra flavor, I ended up getting something more like Xenoblade where you attack to wait for abilities and just do those...Comboing is incredibly inefficient in this game as 1 or 2 abilities can just clear most fodder and some moves are over-tuned. Like I can combo a single enemy using Garuda while I can just use Ignition, FoR, DD, Gungnir/HC into Zantetsuken etc and clear shit in less time. Not to mention Garuda, ONE ability of Shiva and ONE of Titan can be used in the air, so much for Air combos then. Impulse for some reason is broken in damage AND stagger so GG if you get that on an elite on top of Lightning Rod, Ults etc. Why do people also bring up not equipping accessories or upgrading weapons etc? I want difficulty, not to do a challenge run; very different things mate.
I think the base game is too easy. FF mode was more enjoyable, but it really felt like a normal mode with a full kit. Since players had access to the cheese rings, I don't see the logic of not turning the difficulty up a little. Or just having a wider range of difficulties from the get-go.
I'm glad you mentioned the opinions are like arseholes quote. It's the right way to approach it. The only thing anyone can do is call out their shortcomings and hope it's fixed in the next game. For some it won't be and for some it will. Arguing over it and getting 20x deep into reddit threads isn't going to be seen nor heard by anyone. Overall I'm on the same page. The game was too easy, but it was also extremely fun and I'm still having a great time in NG+ since there is so much customisation!
from a nioh 2, dream of nioh guy it has a perfect difficulties for mainline mainstream FF, and for me a perfect introduction to other harder arpg it has all the mechanic typical of an action games (parry, gap closer, s, super armour, anim cancelling, etc). its not deep in a standard of an arpg but it doesn't need to be. still I cant defend the inability to remap button, come on its 2023
I always try to challenge myself by getting good at the game, trying to parry every enemy attack, cause it looks cool, but i dont mind a game being "easy" if it is fun. i'll always go for the precision and combos because thats more fun for me than playing safe. The combat is super satisfying and that is more important for me than difficulty level not being high enough, as long as you as a player can make your own rules and go for them to get a more challenging experience.
As a new to ARPG genre player I did find FF16 surprisingly easy, even on new game+, and in general it feels like you have to work to make the game harder by not using certain items or abilities.
Honestly I just use my favourite abilities rather than the most OP ones, barely anyone seems to use my stuff like satellite and mesmerise and it’s still really easy. If you’re running Odin and know how to play it decently then I can’t imagine how easy it is.
Yeah I thought it was a little too easy. I never played DMC or GoW, but I do have experience with the ff7 remake combat, which I loved. I don't really play FF games for the difficulty though. Some boss fights and a couple hunts gave me somewhat of a challenge, but I get the player base is mostly story > everything.
DMC dante must die difficulty, beefs up enemies, they can near one shot you, you deal the same damage you start with, unless you RG spam into Trick sword combo then it makes the game easier, but it rewards you on experimenting combat, what you can and cannot mix, final fantasy is a bit different, you get stronger weapons and you do waaaaay more damage, God of war and ragnarok....give me God of war difficulty will make you rage, regardless what your build is, if you don't understand your abilities and gear options
Ya but when they're getting DMC battle director involved and making the game about action combat, it shouldn't be "story>everything else". There should be a choice to make it difficult so it's not mindless battle after battle
@@nicke20686 it's not even mindless battle after battle, it's a combination of story, combat, and world building, everything is there, it's not just story>everything else it's literally both, and in an ARPG, no matter what difficulty you are on, challenge depends on your build and gear
@@godofsin4604 I'm referring to the original comment that said FF fans think story>everything else. Which is hardly true. And especially when the game is action oriented. Gameplay is a huge part of it. And yes it's mindless combat when you can just rotate through eikon abilities and take out waves of enemies like nothing and they only do like 5-10% of your hp in damage so there's no risk of dying before getting a heal off. The combat is mindless. And yes, there's story in-between everything but that's not what I'm talking about
For me the first play through was extremely easy (the problem was not been able to change it) but then again recently I played gow ragnarok first play through on give me god of war so I am used to higher challenges right at the beginning (I am also used to action games, dmc, Bayonetta and etc).
I think that the focus on difficulty is a product of the new action combat system. I think it's definitely too easy (especially since they give you a wealth of tools to make it easier) on first pass. But I'd counter with another question: Setting aside the MMOs -- Has any Final Fantasy game ever really been difficult? Outside of the first time you blundered into a Tonberry unawares 30+ years ago, on a scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate the average difficulty of any given random encounter in a random Final Fantasy game? How many points up the scale would you move if you didn't optimize or overlevel? Even when I actively refuse to get ultimate weapons or grind or et cetera, that number is maybe...a 3 out of 10? I think FFXVI is a result of that lineage. They wanted so badly to tell this Final Fantasy story that they wanted to make sure that the new gameplay system didn't interfere with that objective. For me, the galling omission (which you've covered in another video) -- is that Ultimaniac score attacks have no component of move variety or time -- You can actually S rank EASIER if take longer and use weaker attacks, which inherently removes a TON of challenge from the difficulty.
I immediately played FF5 right after 16 since it was referenced alot in 16. Had more deaths in the first 5 hours of FF5 than the whole of 16 on both modes. was only like 2 deaths but still. That happened to me in a game ive played more than a handful of times and 16 couldnt even make me feel the pressure of running out of healing.
@@Eversoul12All of that difficulty you’re having can be mitigated by just grinding and over leveling. If you do that you would be surprised how easy the game becomes. It’s like that in every FF.
Just don’t use whatever let’s you one shot? I find myself doing air combos for most encounters because I find it more fun. Excluding bosses. Edit: Or use one super and 5 weaker moves with faster cool downs + slightly weaker weapon. Spamming super moves all the time would be boring.
One of the core issues with the difficulty, is that there is no reward structure for the effort of pursuing difficult content. Doing something just for the challenge is fine and all, but I don’t want to spend multiple hours on a super-boss for like, 20 Sharp Fang and some Magicked Ash.
Im really sad that there is no superboss in the Game. S Rank hunts dont count because they are easy as well. Fun Fights but not really a Challenge. I want some Fights on the same Level as KH3 Data Fights.
this kinda remind me with KH3 upon release everyone said its too easy, critical mode drop everyone shut up about it, not sure if they actually play it or not lol
I love the combat but it is tuned around FF players not general Action Game players. This game is like "If you play this and like it and get good at it, the next level is DMC." But, as you say, none of the FF games have ever been particularly difficult outside of super bosses and even then if you're prepared thats more of a time sink than difficulty. Edit: Even without Zantetsuken you'd still have Gigaflare lol
At times it honestly felt like I was playing a mobile game with how easy it was. You just get so many potions and not only that if you happen to die they reset your potions and you start from the phase you died at. It's like their constantly mocking your ability to play games and I don't even play games that much, the last action game I played was GOW 2018. They went with ffxiv's dungeon difficulty except for the whole game including the optional stuff.
I think one of my personal biggest issues with this was that NG+ in the explanation box said what it would do and none of that actually mattered You can level up to level 100: It makes you scale exactly like the main game. if they just kept me maxed out at 50 and made enemies ever so slightly stronger each mission you could actually feel a progression you get new gear: gear in general in this game was boring af but it was literally the same stuff just with new names you get more stronger enemies: that are just as easy as they were before but not feel like damage sponges Like difficulty missing in a game is one thing that I was somewhat let down by BUT you lock the "hard mode" behind a 2nd playthrough, which is something I already hate doing because why force me to play the game twice to get the challenge i want, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROMISING SO MUCH and then delivering it really half-assed (imo) I love FF16 but basically everything I looked forward when i heard from a friend that there is a hard mode new game plus ....was not in new game plus in the end
Yeah i do like the game in some ways, but im honestly more disappointed in it than i was with 15. It somehow feels like even less effort was made to make the game feel complete as a game. The story is better for sure, but the game itself is kinda wack.
My favorite way to enjoy FF mode is to treat it like a FF5 4 job fiesta. Randomly select 1 ability from each Eikon and try to make the kit work. For additional difficulty just don't use any Odin abilities or just no Zentestuken.
It is too easy. Do I care? No. I don’t play every game for difficulty. I enjoyed my time with the gameplay and the enemies last long enough for me to do satisfying shit. It’s fun and that’s all I care about
I would make boss encounters more challenging by: - Nerfing some mechanics, like shivas perfect dodge, zentetsuken buildup, dodge timings - Make boss do more damage - Give boss extra mechanics What I wouldn't do: - Give things more HP - More enemies
I dont personally enjoy playng games on a hard mode and usually chill on normal, and, for some context, I enjoy some savage raids in FFXIV. I usually do not play games like dark souls etc, never played DMC, but did enjoy Nier Replicant, Nier Automata, Witcher, FFVIIR, FFXV etc. This game seems sometimes disappointingly easy. I mean there is easy and there is "I am a massive cool boss, that will barely hit you throughout the fight if you stand close to my feet and you just have to spam me with attacks to kill me, maybe dodge once". To be fair there was one boss like that ;p But still, I feel that hunts provide the cool challenge especially if you do them before reaching their level, but main story fights did not cause a difficulty once. I would love for the game to have an option to be a little more difficult. And I dont mean "make boss HP larger" because sometimes its just it. I would enjoy it if regular bosses would have some more attack variety, some more cool mechanics and if they would deal a little mor damage. I am not saying none of them have, but if a noob player like me was not bested in the main story unless I was meant to, something is wrong ;p
The game is easy in the sense that when I do die during bosses, I can just retry with filled up potions. Ultima was difficult for me, and I'm not patient enough which is a major problem when it comes to souls games, so this is way more forgiving and can manage well without getting frustrated. But sometimes it's way too easy. However, when I start getting the game mechanics down and learn to combo, and get staggerable bosses in a stagger loop, it becomes satisfying.
I think for Zantetsuken what makes it crazy powerfull is how stupidly easy it is to build it, if Zantetsuken was harder to build and would require more important set up, I think it would be better. For ennemies I think the best would have be to, funny enough, makes it like DMC in DMC you get harder ennemies on harder difficulties, but that's not all ennemies specifically bosses on Harder difficulty gain completly new moves, generally harder to dodge than their base moveset. Another possibility is doing it a similar way than the Ys series does it in harder difficulties, ennemies in Ys's higher difficulty have their animation speed up meaning you have less time to react.
Yes and it’s a real shame given they went to such lengths to create an easy mode. The combat has such depth and you get so much power but there’s really no point to it. Also while the no damage on bosses badge of honors are cool, it kinda feels like they balanced the game around taking no damage on bosses being the true challenge.
I'm generally not much of an action game person. And when I do play them, I play on easy mode if it is offered (like God of War). I don't play games like Final Fantasy for the challenge - that's just not my kind of fun. The series has a rich history of captivating storytelling and amazing music, and this game fits right in. I was able to play the "story focused" mode, equiped a couple "timely" rings so that I didn't panic during combat, and I had a great time. I enjoyed the combat still - enough that I completed all of the hunt marks. I appreciated the customization offered with the timely accessories. And overall I think this game offered the perfect difficulty level for me. And it very much fit for a Final Fantasy game.
I think the #1 thing that should never have been allowed. Which would have possibly kept the difficulty up at least some. Is they should never have had an upgrade for the dodge for increased s/precision time. 🤷♂️ We also didn't need increased inventory for potions. 😅
I actually disabled that ability a little after upgrading it because it made the game too much easier with how generous that buff is. Its nice that its there for people who want it but at least it's not mandatory
Agree with most things said in the video. Personally I will most likely just try to find my own difficulty in the game with self opposed rules (of course that doesn't negate the criticism, just something I would do for fun). A few things that I could think of are: - Playing through all the arcade mode stages, but only being able to equip abilities a limited amount of time (so I have to use every Eikon/ability equaly. - While the arcade mode point system has some issues I think it is still possible to have fun with it. for example trying to get an A rank in Ultimaniac in the lowest time possible. (Or wherever it falls where it would be the most fun having to balance speed and not killing everything super quickly) - playing a random stage where half the abilities get chosen for me and I have to fill the rest out myself. (with some restrictions on overpowered abilities) While I personally think they game could have done a better job balancing things out (including the difficulty), I think it offers an interesting playground for self opposed challenges.
Great video. i treated this as more of a god of war type of game in terms of difficulty and told others the same vs an arcade fighting rpg like dmc and bayonetta. I say that because the arcade games are more about player skill where as the god of war style games are more about stats ,compared to the arcade games where the difficult levels really start pushing you the higher up you go in terms of system mastery. This game & god of war might be hard at the start, but its more of a numbers game. the system itself is not that complex, and once you start getting some equipment upgrades your power level relative to the enemy will start to even out. My only complaint was i wish the bosses were harder on the highest difficulty to really push you or at least had some super bosses you could fight post game, like valkyrie level of hard from god- see if you really mastered the system and its a fun challenge- . which im kinda surprised they don't have much to do in new game+. this might be the 1st ff game i played that doesnt have super bosses which is sad since i love the combat system and wanted an actual hard challenge at the very end to flex on.
On a recent Easy Allies interview Ryota Suzuki said that at one point during development they were planning on letting Clive use all Eikons and all eikonic abilities in combat without having to be limited, but then decided to limit to only 3 Eikons and 6 abilities. He never elaborated on the reason why, and this is a bit disappointing in today's gaming "journalism" that people asking developers these questions (Damiani) never actually ask a follow-up question "why". Questions from interviewers are so concerned about being absolutely polite and non confrontational or even inquisitive or anything even remotely showing disagreement or giving opinion, that it is hard to get an answer about certain decisions developers made. I feel we SHOULD have been allowed to use all abilities in combat to have more fun, and that the developers should have mitigated the assumed "overpowerdness" of the main character (that would probably be perceived as such if he was allowed to use all abilities at once) by actually making the mobs do more actions and do them more frequently. Honestly, the mobs just stand there for so long without doing anything, and then even when they do SOMETHING, it's so easy to predict and avoid. The game's difficulty shouldn't come from mobs' HP bloat or them doing more damage to you, but by them having CHALLENGING AI and multiple mechanics to keep you on your toes. Imagine the usual RPG standards where you learn multiple abilities by the endgame, but then just arbitrarily having to not be able to use everything you know. This is just a developer's crutch and a show of failure on their part in making a game with challenging combat. No matter how much HP or damage anything in FFXVI will ever do, the game will forever be brain dead easy because the mobs just don't do anything most of the time. All small mobs almost never have block or evade mechanics in their kit, they can be perma stunlocked by simply mashing one button, without any diminishing returns on you as a player button mashing, and the large mobs can just be abused by ultimate skills having time freeze properties. I also never really noticed mobs being more aggressive in Final Fantasy difficulty either. How they ever thought all this would make a good combat system I will never understand. But despite all this criticism, I DID have fun with the game, it's just a huge wasted opportunity.
I wouldnt need all of the eikons powers all at once, however I feel there was definitely space for the player to use at lest 8. But there are two sides to this. I only want more attacks because what is the point of unlocking all of this great power and then you can only use 6 attacks wtf. However if we had more eikon powers than we have now we would never have to use the sword we would ust be spamming eikon attacks. I rarely use the sword with only what we have now, the fight would be all attack cutscenes and nothing else with 8 ;p But it is annoying. Also I feel they didnt have a lot of good ideas while creating the attacks/the balance. At least while watching this I cant figure out (yet) the good combo to use like all the attacks were created separately without a thought about connecting them in combat. I wish the attacks could be somehow comboe'd together. Or maybe I havent figured this one out just yet. (I mean probably I havent because the game doesnt tell you what to combine, and that is cool, but... because the game is not that difficult I dont have incentive to really look for it ;p)
I am still early in the game and as a turn based player I do not find it easy at all. yet, spamming lunge with magic burst and torgal ravage seems to be the easiest way to play... because the limitation on potions carried is annoying.... in the limit break fight all I did was dodge from afar and charge magic till stagger... and I won... on the other hand, I would prefer to have elemental weaknesses to will damage, i.e. garuda weak to fire for stagger (a small multiplier), or titan weak to shiva, etc. and then increase the HP of the enemies... and zenketsuken to have a really long cooldown
I enjoyed the game a lot, but I would say the lack of a challenge was a criticism I have. I died three times my entire playthrough, all to Hunts. Once to the very first hunt because I just stood in the doom like an idiot, and the other two on Atlas and Svarog respectively. CBU3 could have cranked it up a quite a bit, and they should have had more faith in the community to get passed it. People who needed to could have actually used those rings because as it is they're pretty much unnecessary outside of accessibility. I don't need a big challenge, but I do want the threat of failure and that rarely existed in my playthrough. Thinking about it, even if FF or Ultimaniac mode was unlocked from the start the upgraded dodge is probably just too OP.
The problem is the restocking potions when you get into certain chunks of bosses HP. If you died and the potions didn't return to full it would've been better.
It’s not a good idea because u’ll need to buy every time new potions to retry boss fight. I believe the best way is to return player on checkpoint right before battle with the same count of potions that player had before.
@@windy0y it is a good idea, it makes players more weary of their use of potions rather than spamming them knowing that if they die they'll have access to the full amount again.
This could result in less skilled players becoming soft-locked on bosses and having to reload a save some distance back. Maybe for the NG+ difficulties it would make sense, but for the regular first playthrough on arcade, restocking is a safety net against having to reload an hours old save, which is no fun for anyone.
I wish they would have enabled Final Fanatasy mode from the beginning. And monsters would then scale twice as fast forcing you to grind levels and gear.
As a big fan of devil may cry, yeah the game was easy but it didn’t bother me too much. My boyfriend found the game very easy too and he doesn’t like action games. he did struggle with the “odin” part *burythelightintensifies* My hope is there’s a super hard bloody palace style thing without the asuras wrath cinematic phases in the future 🤤
So for final fantasy mode i would half all item potencies, give certain trash mob have the skill zantetsuken reverse, and hard mob combinations that said i am enjoying ng+
Probably the hardest JRPG I ever played was Tales of Arise. I think this game just wanted to show how OP Clive really was, which is realistic in the game verse. Noctis got the same way by the end
FFXVI is my intro to the series and I really love it for it's story, I know people have compared the game to DMC 5 but to me DMC is all about the combat (I mean DMC 5 is a masterclass of an action game and as far as I know is pretty much unparalleled in this era of video games). Like I never thought FF was about gameplay, more so about the world and story. Mind you I'm not saying it shouldn't be fun and obviously gameplay matters but I don't get why people were expecting it to be super challenging. As far as I can tell the people finding it super easy are people who have a lot of experience with action games so like what were you expecting? It would be nice it more challenging stuff was added for the sake of longevity and endgame content but like as for just playing through the game I feel like a majority of the players are going to find the game adequately challenging already. Maybe I'm wrong and to be honest I don't really know what the demographic is but this is only the second game or something to lean heavily into the action genre and I feel like maybe most existing FF fans play these games for the story, I mean it is a JRPG. I would say having more options for making the game harder is obviously only beneficial because it gives players the incentive to put more hours into mastering the combat among other perks, and it's definitely something to work on for the devs in the future but as of right now I feel like this is just a really positive step in the right direction for the franchise. I mean as someone who knew very little about FF before this game it definitely got me interested in the future of the franchise.
I think my main problem is that for all the DMC comparisons square invited and acknowledged. This game is just a kiddy pool in depth in comparison. There's not much to learn and the game never encourages you to be stylish or change things up. I would understand this if they had to make it simpler to compensate for the rpg/open elements. But like those aren't good either. The rpg elements are basically non existent and don't matter. And I don't understand why areas are open if there's nothing really to find. I just wish they made it level based or something to go deeper on the combat
I did find it easy, I platinumed it having only died like 7 total times in both playthroughs. Like you, Hap, I also have a lot of experience with difficult action games. But I also didn't mind it being easy because it was just a blast to play. No hate to those that want more challenge, though. I'll come back for DLC for sure!
I think the main game is fine, but Final Fantasy Mode shouldve been an Option from the beginning not just NG+. The bigger Problem is the endgame, i only died once to the Dragon and did all other Hunts first try, i expected optional Bosses like KH2 Lingering Will :(
you would think that a guy with so much self cited history with the franchise would know, there are few FF games that have a legitimate challenge. all final fantasy games, the hard part is simply learning and adapting to the systems for the current installment. once that is done, the games end up being pretty easy. the goal of the game is to tell an interesting and compelling story with fun and engaging game mechanics, not give you _Game Over_ screen PTSD.
My biggest gripe is that there's no super boss or optional dungeon for us to conquer with all the power we amass during our playthrough.
@@LibtarDemonRatbro what are you talking about
@@LibtarDemonRat Idiot.
You’re making stuff up , there’s no ultima weapon reforged . Ultimaniac mode isn’t even a story playtrough , just arcade stages
This is a travesty. I want EVERY game to have either a superboss or challenging extra area. ESPECIALLY FF Games because FF6 and FF7 introduced me to superbosses. It gives me something to feel like I am preparing for. Most games offer too little challenge, so difficult optional content can at least balance things a bit.
@@LibtarDemonRat brah just made all this shit up 😭😭
My thoughts are as simple as this I just wish they’d given us a hard mode at the start. That’s all, doesn’t exclude anyone but gives more experienced players a more exciting time. And really all they would need to do is increase damage by 50-100% and maybe 15% more hp and maybe a bit more interesting ai and bam done
So basically u just want the fights to last longer? No thanks it takes long enough already 😅 and enemies already do 1 hit kill attacks 😢
Also gives us a Trophy for completing that wont count towards the Plat. They just punish good players over and over in these games. See my comment above i haven't died in my 1st playthrough.
I wish they would've added a boss gauntlet in the Interdimensional Rift on FF difficulty where you fight Gil/Omega/Shinryu that'd be cool.
I 100% expected to see a fallen spider bot scaled up to be an Omega Weapon super boss
Hopefully dlc
Something I found odd is they establish that you can't use magic in the Blight and can only use normal attacks, but never did anything with it. Like have some areas you're forced to only use normal attacks unless you're standing in an area that doesn't have blight.
Having a mechanic that only allows you to spam square sounds awful.
@@Verd254lot of games have that option but you don't have to play that way. Just learn combos and learn to use Torgal and the gameplay is much more enjoyable. Remove the evasion and combo rings if u want a more difficult experience
@@thatrandomwhitekid845 It sound like you have a skill issue. I already got the platinum trophy for this game and maxed out my character level to 100 with the Ultima blade in hand. I just think you don't understand how the game works.
@@thatrandomwhitekid845 ok so ur either bad at the game or you have bad taste, there is no need to get triggered. If you don't like the game that is fine but from my perspective this is the best battle system I have seen in a final fantasy game along side the combat system for FF7R.
@@thatrandomwhitekid845 I'm not sure what your argument is at this point. My original comment was just saying that the game allows you to smash the square button but you don't have to play that way if you know how to use combos. You keep talking about the blight not allowing you to use magic but I fail to see the correlation. I was never arguing about the blight only that the game didn't need to be played in a button mashing method.
I’m seeing alot of people saying ‘Isn’t every FF easy?” True, there not the most difficult, by I feel alot of us are saying it without thinking of how much FF we’ve played. Would I struggle with FF6 or 7 now? No. But that’s because I’ve played them like 10 times. 16 was a cake walk on my first play through, and that’s what I think the issue is.
I agree with this. None of them were especially hard but this was noticeably easy. A lot of the early games required either efficient play or semi heavy grinding at points where as this felt a tad too easy throughout. Things either died way too fast or too slow as well, otherwise the combat was pretty great.
They didn't use to be THIS easy like FF XV and FF XVVI is.
I have been playing sive VI and it just is getting more and more easy. I find it quite sad since I am a FF
No it’s not the issue here because FFXVI is not a JRPG it’s an action game and it’s so different gameplay wise from every entry in the series
They need to add superbosses, they need to make ff mode playable at the beginning, they need to make ultimaniac mode part of ng+ to play all the way through.
They also need to add optional dungeons similar to ff15. It was one of the exceptional aspects of 15 that it got right.
I wish we had ff14 savage. When I saw how slow and basic normal Benedikta was, I hoped we had more mechanics or more attacks, or her current attacks were more fierce or had more projectiles or she did new mixups, anything. But no.
The same can be said for many bosses. It felt like we were doing normal mode trials and I was kinda hoping for the savage. That never came. It's just normal mode trials that hit harder in the end. Which is a huge letdown to me.
I agree with you completely. I died once outside of hunts in the main game. And that’s because I thought I could tank the Akashik dragons fire breath sweep with half health and I ended up dying from it. And then I died like 5 times to svarog when I was level 38 because I got one shot multiple times. That being said, my friend saw the game and thought it looked amazing so he wanted to try it. He basically only plays online shooters so he has little experience with action games like this. He died over 10 times before even beating Garuda. Mostly due to running out of potions before a boss fight. So yeah, he was actually complaining about it being too hard sometimes and had too much pride to use the rings to help. This game has boss fights that last long enough to still be satisfying for me, even if I was never in danger of dying. And that’s why I still had so much fun with this game. I don’t need to die constantly to have fun. I just need to feel satisfied. I have the souls games to go play if I want to die.
My first msq death was to Hugo because I phoenix shifted into his big Aoe attack at half health
(I used it earlier for a different attack when he wasn't on the field so it had no target to warp to so it just warped me forward out of the way and I made the mistake of trying that again)
I do think they should have made action focused no rings more difficult considering how easy the rings make it
I did immediately change to doing no ultimates once I got Odin on first play through. Part of that is zant, part is the time stop on them is way too powerful
I believed that the chronolyth challenges had the best level of difficulty especially with eikons I didn’t use as much.I had the most fun with those when I first did them
Really wish they had a harder option on the first playthrough, same issue i had with 7r. Shouldnt have to play through it once already just to get a more difficult option. Everything just stood around rarely attacking.
I know 7r wasn't hard, but FF16 still feels way easier than that game was. I think it's because in 7r you're forced to take damage(sometimes very large), and manage healing resources to keep party members alive. In FF16 it's very easy to avoid most of the damage, and the damage you take is very low, even from most bosses
So your a Elites. Not everyone's will throw themselves to a higher difficulty went they are new or doesn't know the mechanics yet instill getting a bearing then play FFM, Luntic mode in the arena.
@@duo7777 This comment gave me a brain aneurism
@@duo7777 Yeah not everyone will, just like not everyone likes the game being easy on first playthrough. That why the vast majority of games have the CHOICE of difficulty.
@@duo7777Or, you know, just don't select the hardest difficulty if you don't want to do it.
I enjoyed learning the fights the most, especially some of the later bosses like Odin. I’m about 5 hrs into FF mode now and it’s actually easier because my gameplay is more efficient. Enemies are beefier and there are notable level jumps across zones though.
I just beat the Odin stage last night and felt like I ran a marathon afterwards. I was all light headed and was white knuckling the poor controller the whole damn time. Was seriously freaking out, glad that’s over with!!
Coming from Stranger of Paradise to XVI yes it's easy...but if you rank, every Final Fantasy game in terms of difficulty it's nowhere near the easiest.
kinda hard to compare difficulty between different genres but the game was marketed towards DMC players and they are the ones saying the game is too easy.
Would you say stranger of paradise is much harder?
@@mquezada88 It has difficulty options but the DLC is locked to the hardest difficulty and it is probably the most difficult FF game on the hardest difficulty (and I am including Vagrant Story and classic FFXI). You can change the difficulty anytime you are on the overworld.
FF mode felt like a smart way to extend the end game, but it wasn't really a hard mode. I honestly wish action focused didn't have the prompts and there were more QTEs, because it really sucked the tension out of all the cinematic encounters.
They could of and should of used the PS5 controllers back buttons for QTEs and added some variety and pressure when needed.
The lack of difficulty is because of how strong Clive is defensively. Compare it to something like SoP, you can't mash dodge in that game, if you do, the second dodge is a significantly worse dodge than the first. Soul shielding is the best option, but it consumes a resource that you have to constantly manage.
Meanwhile, Clive can mash dodge, use one of his immensely strong counter abilities like raging fists and rook's gambit, use will o the wykes to negate hits entirely, use the Shiva eikon to freeze enemies after dodging, or use titan to block everything. All of these being incredibly easy to time. Also, items can be used regardless of what state Clive is in. If you get caught in a multi-hit attack, you can easily use a potion during that to prevent yourself from dying. Limit break also prevents you from dying and can be activated at any point. It's just incredibly easy to not die. Add in pretty low damage in normal mode, and you really don't even have to bother to dodge most attacks.
I really would've liked some kind of harder mode available from the start. Maybe precision dodging has tighter timing, maybe you can't mash dodge, you can only use items when there's no other animation happening, damage is a little higher, enemies a little more aggressive. I think things would've been fine then. Being overpowered can be fun, but there's a point for me where it makes things uninteresting and I think FFXVI teetered pretty close to that in normal mode.
Finally someone who gets it. Stopped the game 40% in. I felt insulted by the difficulty and have 0 faith that FF mode changes that just by knowing Clives toolkit
They should add Rings of Difficulty. So you can wear rings that limit how many potions you can have. Or reduce dodge window timers. Or reduce stagger windows. And maybe in return you get to equip a special sword or something as a reward.
A ring thar increases both the damage you deal and receive would be really cool
I love that idea. I personally would love a ring that absorbs all of the exp you earn, then you can choose to siphon enough exp to earn one level at a time or cash it all in at once, so if you want to play through the whole game at level ten, twelve etc...you can.
A ring that changes your defense to zero would also be good. Honestly I feel like they should patch in an "Ultimaniac Ring" that turns the base game into Ultimaniac mode when you put it on, since while in Ultimaniac you can only hold one of each type of potion, take double damage and enemies are way more aggressive.
This is my favorite take on difficulty. Increasing risk for increasing reward. Kinda like how you can dodge everything... or you can be riskier and try for a more rewarding parry.
this is such a good idea, i feel like some bosses are too beefy but attack too slowly. This fixes both.
What I think that could be done is add more debuffs the enemies could do you in final fantasy mode for example
Poison: drains health over time
Time out: Unable to command Torgal or Torgal unable to act for a set time
Aether shackle: drains limit break gauge
Amnesia: unable to use eikonic abilities for a set time
Despair: unable to do will damage for a set time
One other thing would be to more of an emphasis around eikonic vulnerability so that way for certain hunts and bosses you could build a set around that vulnerability for a little more engagement.
The base difficulty in FF feels equivalent to Devil Hunter difficulty in DMC games for me. Enough that trash never poses an issue, but certain elites and bosses can take you out if you're not paying attention (though it is more generous with healing than DMC). FF mode is not much more difficult though considering you've got the whole toolkit from ng+ and knowledge of enemy movesets.
I think its really fun to play around with the tools available, but yeah, it could do with something similar to Dante Must Die mode unlocked for new playthroughs and I hope they do continue support for the game and add that at some point.
2 days late here but yeah absolutely agree it’s definitely at that Devil Hunter difficulty on the first play through.
I hope there’s a patch in future which brings a true hard difficulty mode like an actual “Ultimaniac” ala like you said Dante must Die, maybe restricting healing items like how DMC5 just removed items entirely.
I think for a general populus the difficulty is alright. Us as seasoned gamers prob won't struggle much, but watching some people play even with accesories on can be painful 😅. though... FF mode should have been available at the start. and much agreed about enemy variation.
I would actually hate if difficulty was on a Souls level. Closer to DMC would be nice
I’m a casual player not used to action games I tried nioh 2 and dmc5 and they were really challenging to the point where I didn’t finish theme.
Ff16 difficulty for me is fine, tho my approach is not to beat the game as fast as possible, I’m enjoying the combat and trying to learn stylish combos instead which are really satisfying! I go to the hall of virtue or hunts no damage them and that’s difficult enough. I have tried the arcade mode and honestly this game is great! It has a lot in it not just the story so from non-action player cheers to yoshi p.
My main problem is how incredibly forgiving dodging is. Only a few skills animation lock you, and most of those are ults which animation lock enemies too. You can dodge always even mid air or mid combo. You don't need to dodge OUT of an aoe to dodge it, you just need to be dodging when damage applies. I could see that being fine for a story mode playthrough or maybe tie that effect into the dodge accessory as an additional bonus, and then making us actually need to care about aoes and such without that accessory.
I'm ok with this on the normal difficulty. But I think Ghost of Tsushima is a good example of how you adapt this in difficulty modes. As you go up in difficulty in ghost your perfect dodge and especially perfect parry windows become smaller and smaller. This allows people not good at such games to ramp up their skill in a more natural way.
@@darkguardian50 yeah, thats why i feel like it would be a good thing to have on the automatic dodge accessory, but not be the default way dodges work. So you could at least opt out of the ez mode dodges if you want by just not using that accessory.
I get that they wanted it to be a bit easier for people who wanted to experience the story, but I'd at least like the option of having to actually try, if i want to.
If they had FF mode unlocked from the start I might have enjoyed the game. I enjoyed the story for the first 1/3rd, but once the story fell off the combat (while fun) wasn't engaging enough to keep me interested for another 30 hours. I finished so I could someday try NG+ in FF mode, but I need a long break before I feel like going back. I just don't see why we couldn't have the option to choose.
As an action game enjoyer I definitely found it too easy, I didn’t even use potions manually until well into the latter half of the game. I just don’t know how you go about making the game harder without making it less fun. If you let enemies also semi prime, they just become sponges, if you give them similar tools to Clive, like allowing them to parry, block or dodge, they just become irritating to fight. The only real way to make the game more challenging is through arcade mode and style gameplay, but the scoring system is flawed like you pointed out in your previous video. And honestly, whilst there are some neat eikonic abilities with combo potential, the high damage abilities like Zantetsuken, Diamond Dust, Gigaflare and Judgement bolt are just way too powerful to give up in exchange for utility to actually make the gameplay interesting.
Honestly, if that's what you're worried about it's actually fairly easy to make it more difficult. For one thing, Zantetsuken simply makes it so you don't have to interact with some of the more difficult sections. Just make it have a damage fall off like some of the AOE skills in XIV for example. It would keep high stagger damage combos on bosses, but reduce damage done on enemy packs. Secondly, make it so you can only use at most 1 or 2 of the captsone eikon abilities. It seems redundant to me that you can have multiple of these, but if you had to pick one or two suddenly it becomes a picking game of which one synergizes the best with the playstyle you're going for.
As for the base game, that is a bit more complicated, but for me it comes down to how many potions they give you. Ideally, in general the dungeons probably shouldn't be restocking you on potions at all, and it would make the longer stretch ones a game of keeping damage low and managing your HP. I would also probably turn on the more aggressive AI from the get go, because even if they don't do as much damage as they would in ultimaniacs, they still would be constantly hitting you and be a concern at all times.
TBH I’m currently on the 5 year timeskip arc and I’m playing on the action focused difficulty and I haven’t died once so it does seem pretty easy to me so far, but I’m guessing it might get more difficult later on.
I think someone put rather well that they made it so that the first playthrough is more focused on the story, regardless of skill level, and then the gloves really come off on NG+ since you’re probably skipping all the cutscenes at that point. Though I kind of wish they had Final Fantasy mode available from the start I get why it’s an unlock.
FF mode isnt much better tbh. The only real difference is enemy placement and the enemies have more HP.
@@Eversoul12 They hit like 5 times harder.
@@lockekappa500 why wasnt this an option. Enemies hit so softly. Especially with the Titan vs Ifrit that i was almost laughing the entire time.
@@mikeholt2852 I agree, a more difficult version should have existed in the first playthrough.
They shouldn't be making that decision for us. Half of the enjoyment is having engaging combat between story moments. Either way we still get to watch all the cutscenes regardless of the battle difficulty. So that's a dumb reason. It's like saying people that played Ragnarok in hard mode first time through couldn't enjoy the story. Just give people the option and if it's too hard for them they can tone it down.
The issue with the difficulty for this game is the lack of Hard Mode for a Fresh Playthru.. That's a no-no for any action focused game...
Hopefully the "Bloody Palace" mode they add will address this. Can't wait to fight multiple dragoons and cannon guys in a single room. Hell throw in a dragon too
I found the game to be very easy, but I was so absorbed in it that it didn't bother me at all. I would have played on a higher difficulty if it was an option at the start, but I'm happy with what I experienced either way
They could do something similar to what FF7R did where Hard mode restricted how often you could replenish your MP so you had to plan around that to this game in FF mode just completely restrict the use of all ultimate abilities... Or make it only once per fight/encounter/etc.
I feel like this is something that could be added post launch. Hellfire mode, Clive Must Die mode... etc
Devil May Clive Mode
Rather than "Easy," I would say it's a mindless slog while you wear down the stagger meter and dodge. I wish there was more depth or strategy beyond just Eikon switching.
It reminds me of KH 2 Critical Mode, the more efficient your gameplay becomes, the easier the game gets.
The difficulty feels perfect for Final Fantasy Mode. I am liking it a lot. But yeah, the game in general feels easy to me because the eikon abilities are too strong and it feels like they are always up for you to spam them.
Ff mode should have been available from the beginning
@@thegamewin100
I agree.
There is absolutely no challenge. This is the type of game that I could have beaten as a 6 year old.
Go play it on final fantasy mode and lmk what u think..
@@dripy9159 Why would I want to play through a game with terrible design, repetitive tortuous fetch quests, barren environments, no strategy needed/non existent rpg elements, and recycled enemies a second time..just to play it on a slightly higher difficulty?
@@user-ht4kp7py2c I’m just saying man..the game has excellent reviews and I personally thought it was friggen amazing..I’ll be beating the biatch again for sure
Challenge yourself to use no potions then, for instance. Or, for another example, I was able to get precision dodges rather easily but I was terrible at parry, so I challenged myself to get off at least one parry on every enemy I faced. Or if you really want to test your timing and management of different abilities, try to get 9 zenketsukens in a single stagger. That’s the next thing I’m gonna try to do, it’s kinda crazy-need to do rift + freeze, time freezing abilities along with activating and deactivating limit break so you can freeze time with that a bunch. It takes some quick navigation, for sure
@@darcash1738 That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard, don’t use any of the features that are in the game to make it more challenging, but sit through a poor open world, terrible fetch quests, no strategic gameplay to try and make a bad game good by fighting spongier enemies? I downloaded this a day early using my Japanese psn account, forced myself to finish it because I hyped myself up for months for it, and deleted it as soon as the post credits ending finished.
Simple answer... Yes it's way too easy considering you can't choose anything harder until after beating the game.... We should have a choice to have it difficult right away. Many people hate easy games and when you're forced to play it on "easy" it ruins half of the enjoyment. Like we already have all these ridiculous accessories that make it EVEN easier so why do the people that like hard games not have a choice to make it harder right away
what they need to do in my opinion is on higher difficulties up enemy/boss attack speeds like by alot and reduce dodge and parry windows inlucing titan block of course and shivas dash if they can manage to do that cuz i know thats not as easy as it sounds then that would be pretty good on a game thats already really good and just really cool
If anything, the game certainly is made to be accessible. But I think the skill ceiling is high enough for the players that want it. The game gives you basic win/lose conditions but it is sort of up to the player to decide what it means to win or lose. For the people who say the game is too easy, they are absolutely right. If your goal is to simply defeat the enemies and not die, then you will have an easy game. But for me, I can't just defeat the enemies. I need to style on them. I need to be able to land badass and creative combos, while also doing a ton of DPS. I need to be able to weave in dodges, parries and counters in between the onslaught. If a combo does not play out the way I had it in my head, or I miss precision dodges or parries, or if I simply take too much time on a fight, I would consider that a loss. I am always pushing myself to improve even though the game does not require it, and that lets me enjoy the game so much more.
The best DPS in the game has no style. The moves it uses literally stop the stagger bar and slow the enemies surrounding it down to basically nothing. The game doesnt even pressure you into running out of healing at any point. even on the hard difficulty. Elden Ring sold like 20 million units and it doesnt hold your dick for you while you piss like this game does. There is a huge difference between accessible and insulting peoples intelligence.
@@Eversoul12 I prefer Style > DPS. That is why I generally avoid using the "Ultimate" abilities that freeze time. I generally prefer the abilities that can be used creatively and combo well. The difficulty is what ever you make of it, you do not need to let the game decide it for you. If you feel there are certain abilities that are too strong, don't use them. If you feel like healing is too generous, don't use any heals. Some people even find Elden Ring too easy, and so they do different types of challenge runs. Like I said before, if a fight doesn't go the way I planned, like if I get hit, I would consider that a loss, even though technically the game still says that I won that battle.
I came into this game expecting more DMC with extra flavor, I ended up getting something more like Xenoblade where you attack to wait for abilities and just do those...Comboing is incredibly inefficient in this game as 1 or 2 abilities can just clear most fodder and some moves are over-tuned. Like I can combo a single enemy using Garuda while I can just use Ignition, FoR, DD, Gungnir/HC into Zantetsuken etc and clear shit in less time. Not to mention Garuda, ONE ability of Shiva and ONE of Titan can be used in the air, so much for Air combos then. Impulse for some reason is broken in damage AND stagger so GG if you get that on an elite on top of Lightning Rod, Ults etc.
Why do people also bring up not equipping accessories or upgrading weapons etc? I want difficulty, not to do a challenge run; very different things mate.
I think the base game is too easy. FF mode was more enjoyable, but it really felt like a normal mode with a full kit. Since players had access to the cheese rings, I don't see the logic of not turning the difficulty up a little. Or just having a wider range of difficulties from the get-go.
I'm glad you mentioned the opinions are like arseholes quote. It's the right way to approach it. The only thing anyone can do is call out their shortcomings and hope it's fixed in the next game. For some it won't be and for some it will. Arguing over it and getting 20x deep into reddit threads isn't going to be seen nor heard by anyone.
Overall I'm on the same page. The game was too easy, but it was also extremely fun and I'm still having a great time in NG+ since there is so much customisation!
from a nioh 2, dream of nioh guy
it has a perfect difficulties for mainline mainstream FF, and for me a perfect introduction to other harder arpg
it has all the mechanic typical of an action games (parry, gap closer, s, super armour, anim cancelling, etc). its not deep in a standard of an arpg but it doesn't need to be.
still I cant defend the inability to remap button, come on its 2023
God I need to finish that game.
I always try to challenge myself by getting good at the game, trying to parry every enemy attack, cause it looks cool, but i dont mind a game being "easy" if it is fun. i'll always go for the precision and combos because thats more fun for me than playing safe. The combat is super satisfying and that is more important for me than difficulty level not being high enough, as long as you as a player can make your own rules and go for them to get a more challenging experience.
As a new to ARPG genre player I did find FF16 surprisingly easy, even on new game+, and in general it feels like you have to work to make the game harder by not using certain items or abilities.
Honestly I just use my favourite abilities rather than the most OP ones, barely anyone seems to use my stuff like satellite and mesmerise and it’s still really easy. If you’re running Odin and know how to play it decently then I can’t imagine how easy it is.
Yeah I thought it was a little too easy. I never played DMC or GoW, but I do have experience with the ff7 remake combat, which I loved. I don't really play FF games for the difficulty though. Some boss fights and a couple hunts gave me somewhat of a challenge, but I get the player base is mostly story > everything.
DMC dante must die difficulty, beefs up enemies, they can near one shot you, you deal the same damage you start with, unless you RG spam into Trick sword combo then it makes the game easier, but it rewards you on experimenting combat, what you can and cannot mix, final fantasy is a bit different, you get stronger weapons and you do waaaaay more damage, God of war and ragnarok....give me God of war difficulty will make you rage, regardless what your build is, if you don't understand your abilities and gear options
Ya but when they're getting DMC battle director involved and making the game about action combat, it shouldn't be "story>everything else". There should be a choice to make it difficult so it's not mindless battle after battle
@@nicke20686 it's not even mindless battle after battle, it's a combination of story, combat, and world building, everything is there, it's not just story>everything else it's literally both, and in an ARPG, no matter what difficulty you are on, challenge depends on your build and gear
@@godofsin4604 I'm referring to the original comment that said FF fans think story>everything else. Which is hardly true. And especially when the game is action oriented. Gameplay is a huge part of it. And yes it's mindless combat when you can just rotate through eikon abilities and take out waves of enemies like nothing and they only do like 5-10% of your hp in damage so there's no risk of dying before getting a heal off. The combat is mindless. And yes, there's story in-between everything but that's not what I'm talking about
Love your content man. It's cool to listen to you again, after not having much to do with FFXIV.
For me the first play through was extremely easy (the problem was not been able to change it) but then again recently I played gow ragnarok first play through on give me god of war so I am used to higher challenges right at the beginning (I am also used to action games, dmc, Bayonetta and etc).
exactly
Here's how you fix the difficulty, remove items
I completed main and side quest without timely accessories. Till I did Chronolith Trials and found timely focus made gameplay much more enjoyable. 😂😂
Same I had to use one of the rings for the chronolith trials
I give this game a rating of Z.
For Zantetsuken.
i only died twice on base playthrough, cause i didnt know you could step out of behemoths extinction move till i was in the air and saw the circle lol
Same. I thought that move was just a fancy dps check
I think that the focus on difficulty is a product of the new action combat system. I think it's definitely too easy (especially since they give you a wealth of tools to make it easier) on first pass. But I'd counter with another question:
Setting aside the MMOs -- Has any Final Fantasy game ever really been difficult? Outside of the first time you blundered into a Tonberry unawares 30+ years ago, on a scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate the average difficulty of any given random encounter in a random Final Fantasy game? How many points up the scale would you move if you didn't optimize or overlevel? Even when I actively refuse to get ultimate weapons or grind or et cetera, that number is maybe...a 3 out of 10?
I think FFXVI is a result of that lineage. They wanted so badly to tell this Final Fantasy story that they wanted to make sure that the new gameplay system didn't interfere with that objective.
For me, the galling omission (which you've covered in another video) -- is that Ultimaniac score attacks have no component of move variety or time -- You can actually S rank EASIER if take longer and use weaker attacks, which inherently removes a TON of challenge from the difficulty.
I immediately played FF5 right after 16 since it was referenced alot in 16. Had more deaths in the first 5 hours of FF5 than the whole of 16 on both modes. was only like 2 deaths but still. That happened to me in a game ive played more than a handful of times and 16 couldnt even make me feel the pressure of running out of healing.
@@Eversoul12All of that difficulty you’re having can be mitigated by just grinding and over leveling. If you do that you would be surprised how easy the game becomes. It’s like that in every FF.
Just don’t use whatever let’s you one shot? I find myself doing air combos for most encounters because I find it more fun. Excluding bosses. Edit: Or use one super and 5 weaker moves with faster cool downs + slightly weaker weapon. Spamming super moves all the time would be boring.
Not for me. I have to play with the slow time ring to manage to finish it. I'm glad the Game has that accesibility options.
One of the core issues with the difficulty, is that there is no reward structure for the effort of pursuing difficult content.
Doing something just for the challenge is fine and all, but I don’t want to spend multiple hours on a super-boss for like, 20 Sharp Fang and some Magicked Ash.
Im really sad that there is no superboss in the Game. S Rank hunts dont count because they are easy as well. Fun Fights but not really a Challenge. I want some Fights on the same Level as KH3 Data Fights.
Give me action game Yiazmat plz
.... Only if it comes with a couple extra controllers. I know I'm gonna wear out at least 1 with a fight like that. Lol
this kinda remind me with KH3 upon release
everyone said its too easy, critical mode drop
everyone shut up about it, not sure if they actually play it or not lol
that kinda proves that we SHOULD speak up tho
I love the combat but it is tuned around FF players not general Action Game players. This game is like "If you play this and like it and get good at it, the next level is DMC."
But, as you say, none of the FF games have ever been particularly difficult outside of super bosses and even then if you're prepared thats more of a time sink than difficulty.
Edit: Even without Zantetsuken you'd still have Gigaflare lol
At times it honestly felt like I was playing a mobile game with how easy it was. You just get so many potions and not only that if you happen to die they reset your potions and you start from the phase you died at. It's like their constantly mocking your ability to play games and I don't even play games that much, the last action game I played was GOW 2018. They went with ffxiv's dungeon difficulty except for the whole game including the optional stuff.
So glad you're finally playing Chained Echoes. Absolute GOTY last year
Anything below fighting a blue challenger in Tekken (or equivalent) should be considered "easy" in gaming.
I think one of my personal biggest issues with this was that NG+ in the explanation box said what it would do and none of that actually mattered
You can level up to level 100: It makes you scale exactly like the main game. if they just kept me maxed out at 50 and made enemies ever so slightly stronger each mission you could actually feel a progression
you get new gear: gear in general in this game was boring af but it was literally the same stuff just with new names
you get more stronger enemies: that are just as easy as they were before but not feel like damage sponges
Like difficulty missing in a game is one thing that I was somewhat let down by BUT you lock the "hard mode" behind a 2nd playthrough, which is something I already hate doing because why force me to play the game twice to get the challenge i want, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROMISING SO MUCH and then delivering it really half-assed (imo)
I love FF16 but basically everything I looked forward when i heard from a friend that there is a hard mode new game plus ....was not in new game plus in the end
Yeah i do like the game in some ways, but im honestly more disappointed in it than i was with 15. It somehow feels like even less effort was made to make the game feel complete as a game. The story is better for sure, but the game itself is kinda wack.
@@Eversoul12 that one I disagree with. I think this is a fantastic Game. Challenge and ng+ are Like my only gripes with it
My favorite way to enjoy FF mode is to treat it like a FF5 4 job fiesta. Randomly select 1 ability from each Eikon and try to make the kit work. For additional difficulty just don't use any Odin abilities or just no Zentestuken.
That sounds fun and with the auto-optimized they have you be relearning move all over again.
It is too easy. Do I care? No. I don’t play every game for difficulty. I enjoyed my time with the gameplay and the enemies last long enough for me to do satisfying shit. It’s fun and that’s all I care about
I would make boss encounters more challenging by:
- Nerfing some mechanics, like shivas perfect dodge, zentetsuken buildup, dodge timings
- Make boss do more damage
- Give boss extra mechanics
What I wouldn't do:
- Give things more HP
- More enemies
Do you plan on making a video of your favorite eikon load out that you use?
I dont personally enjoy playng games on a hard mode and usually chill on normal, and, for some context, I enjoy some savage raids in FFXIV. I usually do not play games like dark souls etc, never played DMC, but did enjoy Nier Replicant, Nier Automata, Witcher, FFVIIR, FFXV etc. This game seems sometimes disappointingly easy. I mean there is easy and there is "I am a massive cool boss, that will barely hit you throughout the fight if you stand close to my feet and you just have to spam me with attacks to kill me, maybe dodge once".
To be fair there was one boss like that ;p But still, I feel that hunts provide the cool challenge especially if you do them before reaching their level, but main story fights did not cause a difficulty once. I would love for the game to have an option to be a little more difficult. And I dont mean "make boss HP larger" because sometimes its just it. I would enjoy it if regular bosses would have some more attack variety, some more cool mechanics and if they would deal a little mor damage. I am not saying none of them have, but if a noob player like me was not bested in the main story unless I was meant to, something is wrong ;p
The game is easy in the sense that when I do die during bosses, I can just retry with filled up potions. Ultima was difficult for me, and I'm not patient enough which is a major problem when it comes to souls games, so this is way more forgiving and can manage well without getting frustrated. But sometimes it's way too easy. However, when I start getting the game mechanics down and learn to combo, and get staggerable bosses in a stagger loop, it becomes satisfying.
I think for Zantetsuken what makes it crazy powerfull is how stupidly easy it is to build it, if Zantetsuken was harder to build and would require more important set up, I think it would be better.
For ennemies I think the best would have be to, funny enough, makes it like DMC in DMC you get harder ennemies on harder difficulties, but that's not all ennemies specifically bosses on Harder difficulty gain completly new moves, generally harder to dodge than their base moveset.
Another possibility is doing it a similar way than the Ys series does it in harder difficulties, ennemies in Ys's higher difficulty have their animation speed up meaning you have less time to react.
I'm on the fence, its ok, but I actually prefer ff7 remakes combat. However it does leave me wanting a more action focused MMO in the future. :)
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@@Chelaxim that's been on my list for awhile, I should get on and try it. Cheers
Its piss easy, haven't died once even on NG+ on FF mode.
Complaining about the strength of Zantetsuken seems like nonsense to me. If it’s too easy just use a different Eikon lol
Thanks. At least someone that saw this issue. Congrats! I´m almost droping the game cuz of the dificulty.
Hey Mr. Happy, what is your favorite setup for eikons abilities? Which 3 eikons and which 2 abilities you slot in each of them?
I think it's a nice middle ground. It has a few tougher fights but doesn't require you to be on your game the entire playthrough
Yes and it’s a real shame given they went to such lengths to create an easy mode. The combat has such depth and you get so much power but there’s really no point to it. Also while the no damage on bosses badge of honors are cool, it kinda feels like they balanced the game around taking no damage on bosses being the true challenge.
I'm generally not much of an action game person. And when I do play them, I play on easy mode if it is offered (like God of War). I don't play games like Final Fantasy for the challenge - that's just not my kind of fun. The series has a rich history of captivating storytelling and amazing music, and this game fits right in. I was able to play the "story focused" mode, equiped a couple "timely" rings so that I didn't panic during combat, and I had a great time. I enjoyed the combat still - enough that I completed all of the hunt marks. I appreciated the customization offered with the timely accessories. And overall I think this game offered the perfect difficulty level for me. And it very much fit for a Final Fantasy game.
I think the #1 thing that should never have been allowed. Which would have possibly kept the difficulty up at least some. Is they should never have had an upgrade for the dodge for increased s/precision time. 🤷♂️
We also didn't need increased inventory for potions. 😅
I actually disabled that ability a little after upgrading it because it made the game too much easier with how generous that buff is. Its nice that its there for people who want it but at least it's not mandatory
@@shadowwalker245, I might do the same for NG+. It kinda takes away from being a "precision" dodge when it's upgraded. It's to generous of a dodge.
No it's not. It's not a Souls/Souls like game. FF games are story driven games, they're meant to be accessible to everyone.
Really looking forward to all the self imposed challenges people make. Those are always fun to watch.
Agree with most things said in the video. Personally I will most likely just try to find my own difficulty in the game with self opposed rules (of course that doesn't negate the criticism, just something I would do for fun). A few things that I could think of are:
- Playing through all the arcade mode stages, but only being able to equip abilities a limited amount of time (so I have to use every Eikon/ability equaly.
- While the arcade mode point system has some issues I think it is still possible to have fun with it. for example trying to get an A rank in Ultimaniac in the lowest time possible. (Or wherever it falls where it would be the most fun having to balance speed and not killing everything super quickly)
- playing a random stage where half the abilities get chosen for me and I have to fill the rest out myself. (with some restrictions on overpowered abilities)
While I personally think they game could have done a better job balancing things out (including the difficulty), I think it offers an interesting playground for self opposed challenges.
Great video. i treated this as more of a god of war type of game in terms of difficulty and told others the same vs an arcade fighting rpg like dmc and bayonetta. I say that because the arcade games are more about player skill where as the god of war style games are more about stats
,compared to the arcade games where the difficult levels really start pushing you the higher up you go in terms of system mastery. This game & god of war might be hard at the start, but its more of a numbers game. the system itself is not that complex, and once you start getting some equipment upgrades your power level relative to the enemy will start to even out.
My only complaint was i wish the bosses were harder on the highest difficulty to really push you or at least had some super bosses you could fight post game, like valkyrie level of hard from god- see if you really mastered the system and its a fun challenge- . which im kinda surprised they don't have much to do in new game+. this might be the 1st ff game i played that doesnt have super bosses which is sad since i love the combat system and wanted an actual hard challenge at the very end to flex on.
On a recent Easy Allies interview Ryota Suzuki said that at one point during development they were planning on letting Clive use all Eikons and all eikonic abilities in combat without having to be limited, but then decided to limit to only 3 Eikons and 6 abilities. He never elaborated on the reason why, and this is a bit disappointing in today's gaming "journalism" that people asking developers these questions (Damiani) never actually ask a follow-up question "why". Questions from interviewers are so concerned about being absolutely polite and non confrontational or even inquisitive or anything even remotely showing disagreement or giving opinion, that it is hard to get an answer about certain decisions developers made. I feel we SHOULD have been allowed to use all abilities in combat to have more fun, and that the developers should have mitigated the assumed "overpowerdness" of the main character (that would probably be perceived as such if he was allowed to use all abilities at once) by actually making the mobs do more actions and do them more frequently. Honestly, the mobs just stand there for so long without doing anything, and then even when they do SOMETHING, it's so easy to predict and avoid.
The game's difficulty shouldn't come from mobs' HP bloat or them doing more damage to you, but by them having CHALLENGING AI and multiple mechanics to keep you on your toes. Imagine the usual RPG standards where you learn multiple abilities by the endgame, but then just arbitrarily having to not be able to use everything you know. This is just a developer's crutch and a show of failure on their part in making a game with challenging combat. No matter how much HP or damage anything in FFXVI will ever do, the game will forever be brain dead easy because the mobs just don't do anything most of the time. All small mobs almost never have block or evade mechanics in their kit, they can be perma stunlocked by simply mashing one button, without any diminishing returns on you as a player button mashing, and the large mobs can just be abused by ultimate skills having time freeze properties. I also never really noticed mobs being more aggressive in Final Fantasy difficulty either. How they ever thought all this would make a good combat system I will never understand. But despite all this criticism, I DID have fun with the game, it's just a huge wasted opportunity.
I wouldnt need all of the eikons powers all at once, however I feel there was definitely space for the player to use at lest 8. But there are two sides to this. I only want more attacks because what is the point of unlocking all of this great power and then you can only use 6 attacks wtf. However if we had more eikon powers than we have now we would never have to use the sword we would ust be spamming eikon attacks. I rarely use the sword with only what we have now, the fight would be all attack cutscenes and nothing else with 8 ;p
But it is annoying.
Also I feel they didnt have a lot of good ideas while creating the attacks/the balance. At least while watching this I cant figure out (yet) the good combo to use like all the attacks were created separately without a thought about connecting them in combat. I wish the attacks could be somehow comboe'd together.
Or maybe I havent figured this one out just yet. (I mean probably I havent because the game doesnt tell you what to combine, and that is cool, but... because the game is not that difficult I dont have incentive to really look for it ;p)
I am still early in the game and as a turn based player I do not find it easy at all. yet, spamming lunge with magic burst and torgal ravage seems to be the easiest way to play... because the limitation on potions carried is annoying.... in the limit break fight all I did was dodge from afar and charge magic till stagger... and I won...
on the other hand, I would prefer to have elemental weaknesses to will damage, i.e. garuda weak to fire for stagger (a small multiplier), or titan weak to shiva, etc. and then increase the HP of the enemies... and zenketsuken to have a really long cooldown
I enjoyed the game a lot, but I would say the lack of a challenge was a criticism I have. I died three times my entire playthrough, all to Hunts. Once to the very first hunt because I just stood in the doom like an idiot, and the other two on Atlas and Svarog respectively. CBU3 could have cranked it up a quite a bit, and they should have had more faith in the community to get passed it. People who needed to could have actually used those rings because as it is they're pretty much unnecessary outside of accessibility. I don't need a big challenge, but I do want the threat of failure and that rarely existed in my playthrough. Thinking about it, even if FF or Ultimaniac mode was unlocked from the start the upgraded dodge is probably just too OP.
The problem is the restocking potions when you get into certain chunks of bosses HP. If you died and the potions didn't return to full it would've been better.
It’s not a good idea because u’ll need to buy every time new potions to retry boss fight. I believe the best way is to return player on checkpoint right before battle with the same count of potions that player had before.
@@windy0y it is a good idea, it makes players more weary of their use of potions rather than spamming them knowing that if they die they'll have access to the full amount again.
@@BlackBladeSombra but if u use all potions and die u’ll need to do boring things to recharge potions that are simple waste of time.
@@windy0yOr you could just try not to get hit by the boss. Also Limit Break refills your health.
This could result in less skilled players becoming soft-locked on bosses and having to reload a save some distance back. Maybe for the NG+ difficulties it would make sense, but for the regular first playthrough on arcade, restocking is a safety net against having to reload an hours old save, which is no fun for anyone.
I wish they would have enabled Final Fanatasy mode from the beginning. And monsters would then scale twice as fast forcing you to grind levels and gear.
As a big fan of devil may cry, yeah the game was easy but it didn’t bother me too much.
My boyfriend found the game very easy too and he doesn’t like action games. he did struggle with the “odin” part *burythelightintensifies*
My hope is there’s a super hard bloody palace style thing without the asuras wrath cinematic phases in the future 🤤
I'm currently playing the Final Fantasy Mode and it's the perfect difficulty imo. Super fun
I got rid of the rings in the demo I realized it's to easy but its not really hard.
So for final fantasy mode i would half all item potencies, give certain trash mob have the skill zantetsuken reverse, and hard mob combinations that said i am enjoying ng+
Probably the hardest JRPG I ever played was Tales of Arise. I think this game just wanted to show how OP Clive really was, which is realistic in the game verse. Noctis got the same way by the end
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FFXVI is my intro to the series and I really love it for it's story, I know people have compared the game to DMC 5 but to me DMC is all about the combat (I mean DMC 5 is a masterclass of an action game and as far as I know is pretty much unparalleled in this era of video games). Like I never thought FF was about gameplay, more so about the world and story. Mind you I'm not saying it shouldn't be fun and obviously gameplay matters but I don't get why people were expecting it to be super challenging. As far as I can tell the people finding it super easy are people who have a lot of experience with action games so like what were you expecting? It would be nice it more challenging stuff was added for the sake of longevity and endgame content but like as for just playing through the game I feel like a majority of the players are going to find the game adequately challenging already. Maybe I'm wrong and to be honest I don't really know what the demographic is but this is only the second game or something to lean heavily into the action genre and I feel like maybe most existing FF fans play these games for the story, I mean it is a JRPG. I would say having more options for making the game harder is obviously only beneficial because it gives players the incentive to put more hours into mastering the combat among other perks, and it's definitely something to work on for the devs in the future but as of right now I feel like this is just a really positive step in the right direction for the franchise. I mean as someone who knew very little about FF before this game it definitely got me interested in the future of the franchise.
I thought it was easy up until I tried my first of the trials, which was Bahamut. First thing I gave up on doing.
I think my main problem is that for all the DMC comparisons square invited and acknowledged. This game is just a kiddy pool in depth in comparison. There's not much to learn and the game never encourages you to be stylish or change things up.
I would understand this if they had to make it simpler to compensate for the rpg/open elements. But like those aren't good either. The rpg elements are basically non existent and don't matter. And I don't understand why areas are open if there's nothing really to find.
I just wish they made it level based or something to go deeper on the combat
Mobs aggro is lacking, they all just seem to take a (defensive stance) just waiting for you to hit them/stagger.
That was done on purpose in action mode, and changes in ff mode, as stated by Yoshi p himself in the tutorial explaining the game mode
Here's hoping they patch in an even harder difficulty, maybe pushing the level cap to 150 or something.
There is ultimaniac while repeating stages, but it would be great as a difficulty by itself
I was able to beat Atlus 45 lv bounty at lv 34. While fun this is definitely on the easier side.
Same... And on first try with only one high potion used. Too easy
I did find it easy, I platinumed it having only died like 7 total times in both playthroughs. Like you, Hap, I also have a lot of experience with difficult action games. But I also didn't mind it being easy because it was just a blast to play. No hate to those that want more challenge, though. I'll come back for DLC for sure!
I think the main game is fine, but Final Fantasy Mode shouldve been an Option from the beginning not just NG+.
The bigger Problem is the endgame, i only died once to the Dragon and did all other Hunts first try, i expected optional Bosses like KH2 Lingering Will :(
you would think that a guy with so much self cited history with the franchise would know, there are few FF games that have a legitimate challenge. all final fantasy games, the hard part is simply learning and adapting to the systems for the current installment. once that is done, the games end up being pretty easy. the goal of the game is to tell an interesting and compelling story with fun and engaging game mechanics, not give you _Game Over_ screen PTSD.